Episode 396 - Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg

Episode 396 • Released June 9, 2013 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Marc:Lock the gates!

00:00:09Marc:Alright, let's do this.

00:00:10Marc:How are you, what the fuckers?

00:00:11Marc:What the fuck buddies?

00:00:12Marc:What the fuckineers?

00:00:13Marc:What the fucknicks?

00:00:14Marc:What the fucksters?

00:00:15Marc:What the fuckadelics?

00:00:17Marc:What the fucktopians?

00:00:19Marc:Sure, that's fine.

00:00:21Marc:Yeah, I am Mark Maron.

00:00:22Marc:This is WTF.

00:00:23Marc:I feel a little strung out.

00:00:25Marc:A lot of things happened today.

00:00:26Marc:I guess I can tell you.

00:00:28Marc:Tonight, it's Sunday, so you're getting this Monday morning, but tonight I'm playing with a band.

00:00:33Marc:Oh, my God.

00:00:50Marc:I mean, if I'm playing with people or in front of people, I am covered in sweat and I enter some different state.

00:00:56Marc:You know, I don't do drugs, as many of you know that.

00:00:59Marc:I don't drink anymore.

00:01:00Marc:But as soon as I put a guitar on and play loud music with dudes, I am fucking out there.

00:01:05Marc:And I walked out of that room after two hours and I am just wasted.

00:01:09Marc:It felt great.

00:01:11Marc:But we're going to perform tonight.

00:01:14Marc:And now I hope I don't fuck it up because I tend to choke on the guitar in front of people.

00:01:20Marc:But I love it, man.

00:01:22Marc:It's a great experience.

00:01:22Marc:We're doing a bunch of roots rock shit and it's right up my alley.

00:01:26Marc:So I feel like I'm on top of it, but I didn't know I was going to actually be rehearsing and playing a big part in the band.

00:01:30Marc:I thought like, hey, Maren will sit in on a couple and hopefully not fuck it up.

00:01:35Marc:But it looks like I'm doing like six songs and I'm not singing, but I'm just playing.

00:01:40Marc:But these guys are real deal guys.

00:01:41Marc:And I'm like, whoa, they're talking meters and times.

00:01:44Marc:And when I come in and don't come in, I'm like, you know, we're just going to have to see what happens when it happens.

00:01:49Marc:I hope I can hold it together in terms of when I'm supposed to come in or come out.

00:01:54Marc:And I hope there's enough noise to where you can't hear me fucking things up and maybe it'll be fun.

00:01:59Marc:I'd like to think that it's going to be fun.

00:02:02Marc:Also, I think I hit a bottom with meanness.

00:02:04Marc:I don't know what it is.

00:02:05Marc:I do know that I have a bully in me.

00:02:08Marc:Obviously, a sort of a wuss of a bully.

00:02:12Marc:Is that a woolly?

00:02:15Marc:I don't fight or hit people, but I can be kind of mean preemptively.

00:02:20Marc:I get sort of a charge out of it.

00:02:21Marc:I had this experience where...

00:02:24Marc:I was tweeting out some mean shit intentionally, just tweeting it.

00:02:28Marc:My friends just mean shit just to engage.

00:02:32Marc:And and then I realized after I did it, I'm like, oh, what's going to come back at me?

00:02:36Marc:Like that weird, horrible feeling of like, what did I just unleash in the world?

00:02:39Marc:Why did I do that?

00:02:41Marc:But I realized that that's sort of the juice of being mean.

00:02:45Marc:That's sort of the excitement of being a bully.

00:02:49Marc:is is that you know you're looking to get paid attention to uh probably in a negative way and you know i'm not much of a fighter even uh you know verbally i'm no good at it anymore and there's certainly every time that i get into a twitter fight with anybody i get handed my ass and it feels very humbling but very you know makes me sad and hurts my feelings but some part of me seeks that out and i've got a

00:03:13Marc:really assess what the hell that is.

00:03:15Marc:Why is negative attention just as good as positive attention, if not more compelling to me, is a mystery to me.

00:03:24Marc:I guess no matter what, it's about you.

00:03:26Marc:If you're being fucking attacked or people are reacting to your nastiness, it's still about you, but it's not the kind of thing that people are going to want to hang around.

00:03:36Marc:And I know it's all in good fun to a certain degree, busting balls and whatnot, but I really had this feeling when I put some...

00:03:42Marc:meanness out into the world i'm like oh i don't i feel uncomfortable with what might come back at me like what you know what if i what i don't want to reap shit so why so shit huh is that a riff on the biblical idea speaking about biblical ideas uh i'm a jew and that's no mystery to any of you certainly to the point where it annoys some of you that uh i i kind of jew it up sometimes and

00:04:06Marc:But I'm not a religious guy.

00:04:08Marc:I don't have a God in my life.

00:04:09Marc:But culturally, I'm Jewish.

00:04:12Marc:And today, I got Seth Rogen on and Evan Goldberg.

00:04:18Marc:And I kind of leaned into the Jew.

00:04:21Marc:And I have to ask myself, why do I do that?

00:04:24Marc:Why?

00:04:24Marc:What is that about?

00:04:25Marc:But before I do that, let's address what's happening.

00:04:28Marc:I'm going to be I just wanted to say I'm going to be at the I'm doing some dates.

00:04:32Marc:I'm doing some reading dates.

00:04:33Marc:I will be on Tuesday night, the 11th.

00:04:36Marc:I'll be in D.C.

00:04:37Marc:at the Six and I Temple.

00:04:39Marc:shalom more jew stuff but no it's just a performance space but it's also a temple but i'll be doing a reading and some talking on the 12th i'll be in new york city at barnes and noble in union square doing that reading and talking on the 13th i'll be at the summer reading series in brian park in new york city doing some reading talking reading and talking moderated by julie klausner on the 14th i'll be at the brattle theater uh in boston massachusetts which is or no in cambridge massachusetts in harvard square

00:05:05Marc:which is exciting for me because when I was in college, I actually saw Spalding Gray perform Swimming to Cambodia there, and that was a life-changing event for me.

00:05:12Marc:I'd never seen anybody like Spalding Gray.

00:05:14Marc:I'd never seen anybody so personal, so focused, so intense, so completely consumed with self, yet making it viable, yet finding meaning in it.

00:05:24Marc:It was an enlightening thing for me, and he was an amazing performer.

00:05:29Marc:I don't know if you've ever seen his stuff, but just...

00:05:32Marc:I just couldn't even wrap my brain around it.

00:05:34Marc:He had a stack of a manuscript.

00:05:35Marc:He was plowing through it at an intensity I'd never experienced in a performance before.

00:05:40Marc:He wasn't a comedian, but it was funny and personal and intense.

00:05:44Marc:Loved it.

00:05:45Marc:Loved that guy.

00:05:46Marc:So I'm very excited to be taking that stage on Friday the 14th at the Brattle Theater where I had such a kind of creatively life-altering event.

00:05:55Marc:Jews, shalom.

00:05:57Marc:Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg are in the garage today.

00:06:03Marc:But here's the thing about being a Jew, and I don't know if I've explained it or whether you understand it for you non-Jews, because I'm not sure I understand it.

00:06:12Marc:But I do know that I come from a small Jewish community in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

00:06:16Marc:My parents are displaced New Jersey Jews, East Coast Jews.

00:06:20Marc:But, yeah, I went to Hebrew school starting in second, third grade.

00:06:24Marc:And for some reason, out of all the people I know in my life, I still know and feel very close to the guys I went to Hebrew school with.

00:06:29Marc:And I see them hardly at all.

00:06:31Marc:I just went to my buddy's 50th birthday, a guy I went to Hebrew school with who I don't see much, maybe once a year, if that.

00:06:39Marc:But I still feel this connection.

00:06:41Marc:And I have to assume it's a Jewish thing.

00:06:43Marc:So I'm not sure exactly how to explain it, even though we're not religious.

00:06:47Marc:There's this weird I know they call it Judah or whatever, but you grow up with some Jewish kids.

00:06:52Marc:And for some reason, there's a shorthand.

00:06:54Marc:There's a connection that you assume.

00:06:56Marc:I think there's also a slight elitism.

00:06:58Marc:There's a there's a what do you call it?

00:07:01Marc:A Jewish exceptionalism that I don't really adhere to, though you sort of get plowed in your head.

00:07:06Marc:You know, you think, yeah, I remember when I was a kid, how fascinating it was to just know how many.

00:07:11Marc:You know, creative people or show business people or artists.

00:07:14Marc:I like knowing who was Jewish because then you feel like, well, hey, a Jew did that.

00:07:18Marc:Maybe I can do that because I'm a Jew and you feel connected to them, whether it's Martha, whether it's Mark Rothko or Woody Allen or Mel Brooks, whoever your heroes are, you know, Baruch Spinoza.

00:07:29Marc:I mean, there's Jews everywhere.

00:07:31Marc:And I'm saying that in a positive way.

00:07:33Marc:But you sort of use those people as a barometer.

00:07:35Marc:And you think that, well, you know, Jews are these special people.

00:07:39Marc:I mean, we're chosen in the Bible.

00:07:41Marc:We are the chosen people.

00:07:42Marc:So you think you're special.

00:07:44Marc:But, you know, that all aside, you know, I fought from that.

00:07:47Marc:I fought that for many years of my life.

00:07:48Marc:I didn't want to be identified as Jewish.

00:07:51Marc:I didn't really talk about being Jewish on stage much because I didn't know how to do it.

00:07:54Marc:I mean, how do you be Jewish on stage?

00:07:57Marc:I couldn't see how you did it other than do, you know, Richard Lewis or Jackie Mason.

00:08:03Marc:You know, being identified as a Jew on stage, and I think in my life to some degree for a period, but then eventually it consumes you.

00:08:10Marc:Eventually that if you're a Jew, no matter how much you fight it, you will be an old Jew.

00:08:15Marc:That's going to happen to you.

00:08:16Marc:There's no avoiding the old Jew if it's inside you.

00:08:19Marc:Every Jew is an old Jew waiting to get out.

00:08:22Marc:It's actually something you grow into.

00:08:23Marc:I think the old Jew is there when you're born and eventually, you know, you catch up with it.

00:08:29Marc:But when I had Seth and Evan in here, I know they're Canadian Jews.

00:08:32Marc:And I was sort of before I got into the garage, I'm like, well, I wonder, I know a few Canadian Jews.

00:08:39Marc:I wonder if that connection is there with them.

00:08:41Marc:You know, I wonder, like, because I saw Seth Rogen.

00:08:44Marc:I've seen him in movies.

00:08:45Marc:I see Jonah Hill in movies.

00:08:46Marc:And I'm like, well, these are Jews.

00:08:48Marc:You know, Judd Apatow Jews.

00:08:49Marc:I mean, I went to Hebrew school with these guys or some facsimile or some, you know, you know, identical person.

00:08:55Marc:That's not that guy.

00:08:56Marc:I went to Hebrew school with every Jew, every American Jew.

00:08:59Marc:There is I went to Hebrew school with I went to Hebrew school with in some form or another.

00:09:05Marc:American sort of middle-class conservative Jews, Eastern European mutts, the descendants of Eastern European shtetl Jews, Russia.

00:09:18Marc:I don't know too many Sephardic Jews, but I know a few.

00:09:20Marc:But there's just a thing, and I can't figure it out.

00:09:25Marc:I'll tell you when the day my Jewish exceptionalism was shattered, and I should have known this because I don't know why I didn't put it together.

00:09:33Marc:But when I worked at a deli in Boston,

00:09:38Marc:I worked at the last Jewish deli in Boston, Gordon's Deli out in Putterham Circle, I think it was the called.

00:09:45Marc:And I didn't realize there were Boston Jews.

00:09:47Marc:I thought Jews were only specific to New York and New Jersey, and that's where they spread out from.

00:09:50Marc:But there were Boston Jews.

00:09:52Marc:And there was something about me working there.

00:09:54Marc:It was like I was in college even, and I still didn't put it together.

00:09:57Marc:My grandfather owned a hardware store, but for some part of my brain, just never really put it together that they were Jewish plumbers.

00:10:03Marc:or that there were Jewish policemen, or that there were Jewish electricians.

00:10:09Marc:I had this idea that Jews were only artists and mathematicians and special people.

00:10:14Marc:I had this idea, and then someone pointed out to me when I worked at the deli, the owner, Sheldon, he pointed out this guy, he's like, that's Benny, he's a contractor.

00:10:22Marc:I'm like, what do you mean?

00:10:23Marc:He builds things?

00:10:24Marc:And even that, I couldn't wrap my brain around.

00:10:25Marc:He goes, no, for the mob.

00:10:26Marc:And I'm like, what a Jewish gangster?

00:10:28Marc:And I knew that there were Jewish gangsters, but seeing one, I was like...

00:10:32Marc:Oh, my God.

00:10:33Marc:You know, they're all over the place and they do regular things.

00:10:36Marc:And it was sort of I don't know, but I was so glad that it was shattered for me.

00:10:41Marc:And then my buddy Charles did a bunch of paintings of Jewish boxers that were Jewish boxers.

00:10:44Marc:And that made me feel proud.

00:10:46Marc:Whatever.

00:10:47Marc:I don't have a God in my life.

00:10:49Marc:I'm not a religious person, but there's no way around the fact that I'm a Jew.

00:10:52Marc:And what I'm saying to you is that, you know, Jews know Jews on some level.

00:10:56Marc:You know, they're obnoxious Jews.

00:10:58Marc:There are Jews that come from a different class than me.

00:11:00Marc:There are Jews that, you know, I don't want to talk to.

00:11:02Marc:There are Jappy Jews.

00:11:03Marc:But whatever the fact, I think that most American Jews have a shorthand because they're Jews.

00:11:09Marc:You just look at them and you're like, Jew?

00:11:10Marc:Yeah, Jew.

00:11:11Marc:All right, so now we know where to start, and we've got a lot covered already.

00:11:14Marc:So I tried to enter this conversation with Seth and Evan like that.

00:11:18Marc:Even though they were Canadian Jews, I wanted to test the water.

00:11:21Marc:So let's talk to Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg.

00:11:30What the fuck?

00:11:31What the fuck?

00:11:32What the fuck?

00:11:32Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:11:33Marc:Now we're locked in.

00:11:35Marc:Is that me?

00:11:35Marc:There you go.

00:11:36Marc:Nice.

00:11:38Marc:Did you find yours?

00:11:39Marc:I like mine.

00:11:40Marc:Mine's at a good place.

00:11:41Marc:Is it?

00:11:41Marc:You're in a good place in general?

00:11:42Marc:I think I'm in a good place in general right now.

00:11:45Marc:That's good.

00:11:46Guest:Much like my volume.

00:11:47Guest:I think I'm doing good.

00:11:48Guest:You're doing good?

00:11:49Guest:I'm not sure yet.

00:11:50Marc:No, I think you sound good.

00:11:51Marc:Everybody sounds great.

00:11:52Guest:I think we're done here.

00:11:53Guest:Good, perfect.

00:11:54Marc:It was easy.

00:11:54Marc:That was a nice day.

00:11:55Marc:Seth Rogen, Evan Goldberg.

00:11:57Marc:I don't usually intro people right up front.

00:11:59Marc:No, you... You kind of drift.

00:12:01Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:12:02Marc:I was waiting for that.

00:12:02Marc:And then remind myself later, like, oh, I'm talking to... Well, I mean, what's the point?

00:12:07Marc:You know, it's a podcast.

00:12:08Marc:It's not like people are like, I just tuned in.

00:12:09Guest:Who the fuck is... It says our names on the podcast.

00:12:13Guest:Can we talk Jew talk?

00:12:15Guest:Let's talk Jew talk, man.

00:12:17Marc:Are you into Jew talk?

00:12:17Marc:Let's Jew it up.

00:12:18Marc:I'll Jew it up because I think there's a familiarity.

00:12:21Marc:Do you guys feel familiar?

00:12:22Marc:Do you feel familiar?

00:12:23Marc:Do you feel familiar with me?

00:12:25Guest:Yeah.

00:12:25Marc:Right?

00:12:26Marc:You're a Jewish Jew with glasses.

00:12:27Marc:That's right.

00:12:30Marc:It comes down to that, doesn't it?

00:12:31Marc:It really does.

00:12:32Marc:Because you guys go way back, but you're Canadian Jews, which is a unique brand of Jew to me.

00:12:36Guest:There's not a lot of... It's a tight-knit group, Canadian Jews.

00:12:40Marc:But do you find there's a difference between the Canadian Jew and the American Jew?

00:12:44Guest:The Canadian Jew is more self-deprecating.

00:12:46Guest:Is that possible?

00:12:47Guest:I think it is.

00:12:48Guest:I think it's Canadians, yeah.

00:12:50Marc:But you seem more well-adjusted automatically.

00:12:52Marc:Right away, I feel that you're more well-adjusted.

00:12:54Marc:I don't feel the American anger.

00:12:56Guest:We're a little hungover from our party We're usually rageful, but yeah That's also what we are.

00:13:09Marc:Yeah, how was that party last night?

00:13:11Guest:It was

00:13:11Guest:was pretty fun great time yeah yeah it was craig robinson uh brought a lady who assembled her own stripper pole in one of the hotel rooms at the hotel we were at and i've never seen that before i've seen a lot of crazy shit at parties i've never seen like a woman unpack a case i like that looked like an oboe case or something really and literally took out a stripper pole like a giant pool cue and assembled it that's her instrument it was un-fucking-believable she had physical prowess beyond what any human should and craig just said i brought her and

00:13:40Guest:And did he musically accompany her in any way?

00:13:45Guest:No, but he went on the pole against her, though.

00:13:48Guest:I thought he was going to break it.

00:13:49Marc:He had to strip off.

00:13:51Marc:But wait, does this pole, does it, like, lock in?

00:13:53Guest:Yeah, it, like, locked in.

00:13:54Guest:Yeah, it was pretty amazing, actually.

00:13:57Marc:So, okay, so the movie This Is The End opened last night.

00:14:00Guest:No, the premiere was last night.

00:14:02Marc:The premiere was last night.

00:14:03Guest:It opens June 12th.

00:14:04Marc:Did you do the red carpet business and did some waving?

00:14:07Guest:Did a lot of waving.

00:14:08Guest:It was my first real go down the red carpet.

00:14:10Guest:Was it really?

00:14:11Guest:I've done little bits.

00:14:12Guest:I've never actually done the whole deal.

00:14:13Marc:You've only done partially down the way?

00:14:14Guest:The partial version is- A few steps down the red carpet.

00:14:17Guest:They don't let them down the whole thing.

00:14:19Guest:I go to every sixth guy and I get bumped by anybody.

00:14:21Guest:You've got to earn your way down that fucking carpet.

00:14:24Guest:And I finally earned it and it wasn't fun.

00:14:26Guest:No, it's a nightmare.

00:14:27Marc:Why?

00:14:27Marc:Because there's so many flashes and you don't know who to look at.

00:14:30Marc:It just doesn't stop.

00:14:30Guest:They just ask you the same.

00:14:32Guest:What was the question?

00:14:33Guest:So was it like working with Franco again?

00:14:35Guest:Yeah, it was like working with Franco.

00:14:36Guest:What would you bring with you if you had the apocalypse?

00:14:40Guest:That's the number one.

00:14:40Guest:What would you bring?

00:14:41Guest:And our answer is always a gun, food, and our wives.

00:14:44Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:14:44Guest:That's not funny.

00:14:46Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:14:47Guest:My favorite Calvin and Hobbes comic, my first guitar, and a yo-yo.

00:14:51Guest:Yeah, I don't know what they think.

00:14:52Guest:Yeah.

00:14:52Marc:And they all ask the same one thinking it's original?

00:14:54Marc:Like, I got an angle on it.

00:14:56Guest:And they never use any of it anyway.

00:14:57Guest:Like, you never see any of that shit anyway.

00:14:59Marc:No, they're waiting for you to say something that, you know, you don't want to say.

00:15:01Guest:About Kim fucking Kardashian or something like that.

00:15:03Guest:That's all they care about.

00:15:04Guest:Was she there?

00:15:05Guest:No, but they just, like, ask you.

00:15:06Guest:They just try to, like, fit you into whatever their bullshit show is about that day, which is usually some shit that has nothing to do with us, like, comedians.

00:15:14Guest:So, yeah, they never use our shit anyway.

00:15:16Guest:How'd the movie come out?

00:15:17Guest:You like it?

00:15:18Guest:Yeah, it's awesome, I think.

00:15:19Guest:It looks funny.

00:15:20Guest:I think we didn't fuck up.

00:15:22Guest:Yeah.

00:15:22Guest:I think it's super funny.

00:15:23Guest:It played very well.

00:15:24Guest:It did?

00:15:25Guest:Big laughs?

00:15:26Guest:People liked it.

00:15:26Guest:The snobby comedians in the room seemed to really enjoy it.

00:15:30Guest:Yeah, which ones are those?

00:15:32Guest:Just all of our friends in general aren't snobby comedians.

00:15:36Guest:And people have a high... They don't laugh.

00:15:37Guest:The fact that you can hear people laugh... Premiers don't often play that well.

00:15:41Guest:Is that true?

00:15:42Guest:They played very well at the premiere.

00:15:43Guest:Yeah, usually the premiere is one of the worst screenings we have for every movie we make.

00:15:48Marc:Because it's not regular people.

00:15:50Marc:They're agents.

00:15:50Guest:They're not humans.

00:15:51Guest:They come there from business.

00:15:52Guest:They just got off work and they can't go home to see their kids.

00:15:55Guest:Yeah, they have to be there.

00:15:56Guest:A lot of them have to be there.

00:15:58Guest:Right.

00:15:58Marc:It's not even something you want to do.

00:15:59Marc:No, not at all.

00:16:00Marc:And some of them already saw parts of it or they know you.

00:16:03Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:16:03Marc:They don't want to offend you.

00:16:05Guest:Exactly.

00:16:05Guest:Yeah.

00:16:06Guest:But sometimes every once in a while, people genuinely seem to dig it at the premiere and that happened.

00:16:10Guest:That's fucking great, man.

00:16:11Guest:Yeah, it was awesome.

00:16:12Guest:It felt very nice.

00:16:13Marc:And now James Franco, you know, I had on my show in Austin and people made a big deal out of it.

00:16:20Marc:Yeah.

00:16:20Marc:Because he was, you know, he was.

00:16:23Marc:Was he weird?

00:16:24Marc:He is weird.

00:16:25Marc:He's a little.

00:16:25Guest:I think you just got to get used to him.

00:16:26Guest:No, I knew that.

00:16:27Marc:I knew exactly why he was being weird.

00:16:31Marc:But he was hilarious because, you know, he takes himself a little seriously sometimes.

00:16:35Guest:Sometimes.

00:16:35Guest:Oh, but see our movie, good sir.

00:16:37Guest:Yeah, and then sometimes he doesn't.

00:16:38Guest:Like, he totally will make fun of all that stuff.

00:16:41Guest:In our movie, he belittles everything he's ever done in his life, pretty much.

00:16:45Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:16:45Guest:Well, that's good, so it's about time.

00:16:46Guest:He mocks his movies, he mocks his art, he mocks his self-image.

00:16:49Guest:Oh, good, man.

00:16:50Guest:Well, that makes me happy.

00:16:51Marc:His sexuality, too?

00:16:52Guest:All that stuff.

00:16:53Marc:Oh, so he sucks a dick?

00:16:55Marc:We make a lot of jokes about it.

00:16:57Guest:He doesn't literally, but yeah, a lot of references.

00:17:01Marc:Now, when you have all these guys, who is it?

00:17:03Marc:Jonah's in it.

00:17:03Marc:Craig Robinson.

00:17:04Marc:Yeah.

00:17:06Marc:Franco.

00:17:06Marc:Danny McBride.

00:17:07Marc:McBride's in it.

00:17:08Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:17:08Guest:He's one of the guys.

00:17:09Guest:And who's the other guy?

00:17:09Marc:Jay Baruchel.

00:17:10Marc:So all these guys are playing themselves.

00:17:12Marc:Yeah.

00:17:13Marc:But you can't.

00:17:14Marc:There's an extension to that.

00:17:15Marc:I mean, you've got to see yourself as a character, right?

00:17:18Guest:Yeah.

00:17:18Guest:They're playing like warped versions of themselves.

00:17:20Guest:Right, right, right.

00:17:20Guest:Yeah.

00:17:21Guest:Like sick.

00:17:21Guest:they're all like i mean and it ranges from being like just microscopically terrible to like like michael sarah plays like a coked out sexual deviant in the movie so is that was that his choice no we pitched that to him and and he dug it he loved it it was nice but he is michael sarah you just said why don't you just do it this way

00:17:40Guest:And he had the only thing he said the whole time.

00:17:43Guest:He came, showed up, was like, I'm ready to rock.

00:17:45Guest:I'll do all the things you want.

00:17:46Guest:And when you see the movie, it's many despicable things.

00:17:48Guest:And all he said is, I just want to wear this windbreaker I got on.

00:17:52Marc:And that's all he wanted.

00:17:53Guest:That was his only note as an actor.

00:17:54Guest:He said it was his character's anchor and what would guide him.

00:17:58Guest:And if you watch, he tugs on it and twists out it the whole time.

00:18:01Marc:Because that was sort of his method work.

00:18:04Marc:His coked up guy needed the windbreaker.

00:18:06Guest:For some reason, yeah, he pictured it that way.

00:18:07Marc:And all right, so let's go back to the writing of this.

00:18:09Marc:Now, I know you probably covered this before, but I'm sort of fascinated with the Hebrew school angle.

00:18:14Guest:Yeah.

00:18:15Marc:I want to Jew it up a little bit.

00:18:16Guest:Let's Jew it up, man.

00:18:17Marc:Because I remember there are guys I've known since Hebrew school.

00:18:19Marc:Like, they're some of the only relationships that I've actually maintained for 20 years.

00:18:24Guest:Did you go to summer camp either?

00:18:25Guest:Yeah, sure.

00:18:26Marc:I went to day camp.

00:18:27Guest:Like Jewish summer camp?

00:18:28Marc:Jewish day camp.

00:18:28Guest:I didn't go to overnight.

00:18:29Guest:Do you have friends from that also, though, still?

00:18:31Marc:Yeah, they were the same people.

00:18:32Marc:Yeah, exactly.

00:18:33Marc:I grew up in New Mexico in Albuquerque, so the Jewish community was- There's not a lot of Jews there.

00:18:37Guest:Exactly.

00:18:37Marc:There's a few families.

00:18:38Marc:Yeah.

00:18:39Marc:And I just went to one of the guys' 50th birthday.

00:18:42Marc:Wow.

00:18:42Marc:But what I'm saying is I don't see them for years necessarily, but there's something about the bond.

00:18:47Guest:Am I right?

00:18:47Guest:Definitely, yeah.

00:18:47Guest:Yeah, we just shipped 30 of our buddies down here for the premiere.

00:18:50Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:18:51Guest:The Jewish crew?

00:18:52Guest:The Jews from Canada.

00:18:54Guest:Every other Jew in Canada.

00:18:55Guest:The Jewish population in Canada dipped to zero.

00:18:58Guest:Yeah, we're still friends with all of them.

00:19:00Guest:I don't know what it is.

00:19:01Marc:But do you find that with just the regular people you went to high school, you know, the non-Jews and stuff?

00:19:04Marc:No, it's mostly the Jewish ones.

00:19:06Guest:Isn't that weird?

00:19:06Guest:And Kyle.

00:19:07Guest:There's one non-Jewish guy.

00:19:12And Kyle.

00:19:12Guest:It's true.

00:19:12Guest:There's still Kyle.

00:19:13Guest:Kyle, we do still.

00:19:16Marc:We always got Kyle.

00:19:16Marc:How did Kyle get in under the- I don't know how.

00:19:19Guest:I thought he was Jewish.

00:19:21Guest:Yeah, we all thought he was Jewish.

00:19:23Guest:I just don't I don't really understand why that is I don't either it's totally bizarre and I don't even seek it like I'm not like I'm not pro is pro-Semitic the opposite of anti-Semitic I'm not I'm not particularly pro-Semitic no me neither but I yeah I guess there's a bond a familiarity or something it's because we're all from the same fucking little Russian villages our families are all I guess so like actually one of my best friends whose last name was Chudnovsky is from a little village in Chudnov Russia that had like literally like a few hundred families in it yeah yeah

00:19:53Guest:And then I did a genealogy thing, and my family's literally from the same village.

00:19:57Guest:And we look like we're both big, stout, hairy Jews.

00:20:01Guest:And you see, we're clearly from the same village.

00:20:04Guest:And it must be there.

00:20:06Guest:Like a light gene thing where your mind's like, I know you.

00:20:09Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:20:10Guest:It's a weird fucking thing.

00:20:11Guest:It's like cloud Atlas.

00:20:12Marc:We're connected.

00:20:14Marc:We're connected.

00:20:15Marc:If we go back, our grandparents yelled at each other.

00:20:17Guest:Exactly.

00:20:18Guest:Great, great, great, great grandfather.

00:20:19Guest:They fought over the price of a bagel.

00:20:21Guest:And someone fucked someone.

00:20:23Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:23Marc:Well, I always wonder about that, too, with the communities.

00:20:25Marc:Well, you know, let's not get into the Orthodox.

00:20:27Marc:But what kind of Jews were your folks?

00:20:30Guest:They were pretty, I guess, reconstructionist.

00:20:33Guest:Oh, really?

00:20:34Guest:So singing?

00:20:35Guest:Was there singing?

00:20:36Guest:A lot of singing.

00:20:37Guest:They would try to do alternative things.

00:20:39Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:20:40Guest:Our satyr was always a little alternative, I guess.

00:20:43Marc:They were looking for ways to... Like a lot of sort of like, I bought this embroidered yarmulke in Israel.

00:20:47Guest:Oh, my dad wore like... Yeah, he wore like the Farrakhan yarmulke for a while.

00:20:50Guest:He did.

00:20:51Guest:He actually did.

00:20:52Guest:I think it was his way of grappling with baldness.

00:20:55Guest:Like, coincidentally...

00:20:56Guest:Like around the time he really started going bald is when he had like a spiritual resurgence of sorts.

00:21:02Guest:I've never seen a non-bald picture of him.

00:21:04Guest:I'd like to see that.

00:21:05Guest:There's one in our office, actually.

00:21:07Guest:A non-bald picture?

00:21:08Marc:Really?

00:21:08Marc:And what about you?

00:21:09Marc:What kind of Jews do you come from?

00:21:10Guest:I come from standard kind of conservative.

00:21:13Guest:Oh, really?

00:21:14Guest:No pressure?

00:21:15Marc:But our families went to the same synagogue.

00:21:17Marc:Yeah, of course.

00:21:17Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:18Guest:Beth Israel.

00:21:19Guest:We all went to Beth Israel.

00:21:20Marc:My synagogue was called Beth Israel.

00:21:22Guest:Yeah.

00:21:22Guest:In Albuquerque.

00:21:23Guest:They kind of run out of names pretty quick with the synagogue name.

00:21:27Marc:And when you guys were in Hebrew school together, I mean, were you... I made Hebrew school teachers cry.

00:21:33Marc:We did, too.

00:21:33Guest:I did that, definitely.

00:21:35Guest:Yeah.

00:21:36Guest:That's so funny.

00:21:36Guest:Didn't you do that to Shira's mom?

00:21:38Guest:Yeah, I did.

00:21:38Guest:That's so funny.

00:21:39Guest:I've never met someone else that made their teachers cry.

00:21:42Guest:I did.

00:21:43Guest:Two of them.

00:21:44Guest:I did, too.

00:21:44Guest:A couple of them.

00:21:45Guest:Yeah, they hated me so much.

00:21:46Marc:What was the fucking problem?

00:21:48Guest:I don't know.

00:21:49Marc:They didn't like that I, like... Kept pushing back.

00:21:51Marc:Yeah, I would push back a lot.

00:21:53Guest:Right.

00:21:54Guest:And then they would cry.

00:21:55Guest:Yeah.

00:21:55Guest:Which was such a weird reaction, I thought.

00:21:57Guest:Crazy.

00:21:57Guest:So crazy, man.

00:21:58Guest:That's kind of a teacher...

00:22:00Guest:One of my friends, a girl we're friends with, her mother was one of our teachers, and she recently was like, you made me cry.

00:22:09Guest:Really?

00:22:09Guest:I was like, yeah, I'm sorry.

00:22:10Guest:Did she tell you why?

00:22:11Guest:I think she said she got so frustrated and worked up that all the normal teacher stuff wasn't working.

00:22:17Guest:about spanish class in high school we made a lot of teachers yeah we drove our spanish teacher literally like the brink of insanity yeah we played kind of like mind games with them and would mess up the language on purpose and we would all synchronize how we would mess up this oh yeah you got the whole class yeah and they really it drove people crazy it was like the juvenile delinquent class but they all just so happened to take spanish and i think it was because we all failed out of french right you have to take french in canada so all the idiots end up in spanish right

00:22:40Marc:and you used to just like plot the entire class against her against our teacher and they were in the entire class see that's why that's why we're comedians that's why they hate us yes and that's why we're problems exactly because they can't like if you have if you have a sense of humor you're the natural leader of the situation people will gravitate towards the funny person they kicked me out of a private school really yeah they said i had the wrong kind of leadership qualities

00:23:03Guest:Which means you actually have the right kind of leadership qualities.

00:23:07Guest:I know I'm not Hitler.

00:23:09Guest:You do have a mustache.

00:23:11Guest:Not that one, though.

00:23:12Guest:It's the first step.

00:23:13Marc:So when did you guys first start doing shit together in terms of making funny?

00:23:19Guest:I think we were like 13, honestly.

00:23:21Guest:Is that really true?

00:23:22Guest:We tried to make our own spoof of Star Wars.

00:23:25Guest:Yeah, we tried to do... It was almost like a spoof of Spaceballs.

00:23:28Guest:That was probably the first one.

00:23:29Guest:His dad had all the toys.

00:23:31Guest:Yeah, my dad had a video camera.

00:23:33Guest:And so we started trying to make videos.

00:23:36Guest:We started making little funny movies.

00:23:37Guest:And Seth was the director, and I was the star of all of them.

00:23:40Guest:Yeah, that's what was funny.

00:23:41Guest:I didn't act in them.

00:23:42Guest:He did.

00:23:44Marc:It wasn't stop-action stuff?

00:23:46Guest:No, it's the most humiliating, embarrassing shit in the whole world.

00:23:49Marc:But then...

00:23:50Marc:You have it still?

00:23:51Guest:We do.

00:23:51Guest:His mom has it.

00:23:52Marc:Yeah, my mom does.

00:23:53Guest:Holding it hostage.

00:23:54Guest:Yeah, she does.

00:23:54Marc:It's on a Betamax or a VHS?

00:23:56Guest:It's on a VHS.

00:23:57Guest:I hope the tape's worn out by now.

00:23:59Guest:I don't think it is.

00:24:00Guest:I'm sure.

00:24:00Guest:We did a Reservoir Dogs.

00:24:02Guest:Yeah, we were very Tarantino inspired.

00:24:04Guest:Oh, really?

00:24:04Guest:So we tried to do like a Quentin, like Pulp Fiction came out around then when we were like 12 years old.

00:24:08Guest:Right, right.

00:24:09Guest:And we were really into that movie.

00:24:10Guest:We only got like two minutes into it.

00:24:11Guest:Yeah, so yeah.

00:24:12Guest:Well, because we started writing Superbad.

00:24:15Guest:Like, we stopped, we started making like a second stupid movie that was like a Reservoir Dogs kind of riff.

00:24:20Guest:How long were these movies?

00:24:21Guest:Like eight minutes long, ten minutes long or something like that.

00:24:23Guest:Short form.

00:24:24Guest:Yes, exactly.

00:24:25Guest:Short form, I believe it would be known as.

00:24:27Guest:If we were nominated for an Oscar.

00:24:30Guest:And then, yeah, we started doing like a Tarantino one.

00:24:33Guest:And then around then, I started doing stand-up comedy kind of like just around that time, kind of on my own from Evan.

00:24:40Guest:When you were 14?

00:24:41Guest:Yeah, when I was 13 or 14.

00:24:43Guest:Real stand-up comedy?

00:24:44Guest:Real stand-up comedy, man.

00:24:45Guest:What does that mean?

00:24:46Guest:It means I would go to nightclubs and do sets.

00:24:48Guest:Was that your shtick?

00:24:49Guest:It's the kid.

00:24:52Guest:You know what's funny?

00:24:54Guest:At first, I was so afraid of that that I told no jokes about being young.

00:24:59Guest:You just talked about being divorced.

00:25:00Guest:No, I did very situational stuff.

00:25:03Guest:It was like Seinfeld-y stuff.

00:25:04Guest:Like, what's the deal with this shit?

00:25:05Guest:And it wasn't bad, but it wasn't hysterical.

00:25:07Marc:You were a tall kid, so- Yeah, exactly.

00:25:08Guest:I didn't look like that.

00:25:09Guest:I looked like a teenager.

00:25:11Guest:Right, right.

00:25:11Guest:And then one of the comics I remember, it's called Daryl Lennox.

00:25:14Guest:I don't know if he's- I remember Daryl Lennox.

00:25:16Guest:He's been on the show.

00:25:17Guest:And he was great, and he would do comedy there, and he was a very big supporter of mine and was super friendly to me and would invite me to open for him sometimes when he would do shows.

00:25:25Guest:He's a good guy, I think.

00:25:26Guest:Such a good guy.

00:25:26Guest:Yeah.

00:25:27Guest:And he was actually the one who told me, like, you have to write jokes about you.

00:25:31Guest:Like, you're not writing jokes about yourself.

00:25:33Guest:Like, you're afraid.

00:25:34Guest:Your life experience.

00:25:35Guest:Yeah.

00:25:35Guest:Well, he's like, you're the only fucking 14-year-old kid doing stand-up comedy.

00:25:38Guest:Like, he's like, you have so much shit to talk about that we can't talk about.

00:25:41Guest:Right, right.

00:25:41Guest:You're just getting girls to, like, touch your dick for the first time.

00:25:43Guest:You're just, like, trying to grab tits for the first time.

00:25:45Guest:Yeah.

00:25:45Guest:He's like, that's interesting, you know?

00:25:47Guest:And I think it was around then that we started writing Superbad, which was literally about all that stuff, which was, like, all the stuff that we were going through at that time.

00:25:55Guest:But you didn't do comedy.

00:25:56Guest:No, no, no.

00:25:57Guest:I was just a kid who wanted to be a writer ever since I was a wee one.

00:26:00Guest:Really?

00:26:01Guest:So when he started doing stand-up, and then we first discussed trying to write a movie, I was like, I want to be a writer.

00:26:06Guest:I hadn't chosen what I wanted to write.

00:26:07Guest:I just wanted to write.

00:26:08Guest:But did you ever- He suggested movie, I said sure.

00:26:10Marc:You never hammered out bits together that you did on stage or anything like that?

00:26:14Guest:No, but like some of the bits in Superbad, I would kind of try out on stage sometimes.

00:26:20Guest:Like what?

00:26:21Yeah.

00:26:21Guest:Like, I don't even know if it's in the movie ultimately, but there was a joke about, like, actually realizing how noticeable it is when you, like, go look down at a girl's tits.

00:26:29Guest:It is, right.

00:26:30Guest:It was a joke about, like, in the scene in Superbad was, like, one guy's like, watch my eyes.

00:26:34Guest:And he, like, looks at it.

00:26:35Guest:He's like, do you see that?

00:26:36Guest:I do see that.

00:26:37Guest:And it was, like, them realizing, like, whoa, you can fucking see that?

00:26:39Guest:Like, that's crazy.

00:26:40Guest:I thought it was undetectable.

00:26:41Guest:And I did, like, a stand-up version of that joke, kind of.

00:26:45Guest:And it played really well.

00:26:46Guest:And actually, it was, I think, encouraging because, like, it showed us that, like, the ideas we were talking about, like, got big laughs from people, you know?

00:26:54Guest:Right.

00:26:54Marc:I was just thinking about that the other day, actually.

00:26:56Guest:Yeah, it's crazy.

00:26:57Marc:As a grown man.

00:26:59Yeah.

00:26:59Guest:Because I do it constantly.

00:27:01Guest:Oh, all the fucking time.

00:27:02Guest:It's ridiculous.

00:27:03Guest:It's disgusting how often I do it.

00:27:05Guest:It's literally disgusting.

00:27:07Marc:Literally, you're just sitting there looking at somebody like, uh-huh.

00:27:09Marc:Yeah.

00:27:09Guest:And you know, every time I do it, I'm just like, oh, she just totally saw me fucking do that.

00:27:14Guest:I really still think I get away with it somehow.

00:27:17Guest:The weird thing is how much I do it with my wife.

00:27:20Guest:That's a good thing.

00:27:22Guest:We've only been married for nine months.

00:27:24Guest:We've been together for almost a decade, though.

00:27:26Guest:Yeah, I've been with her for eight years.

00:27:28Guest:But still, I'll find her saying something and literally it'll go like, walla, walla, walla.

00:27:31Guest:And I'll just be like, pardon, what?

00:27:33Marc:That's great that you still have that kind of interest in her kids.

00:27:37Marc:She just has a wonderful chest.

00:27:38Marc:Yeah.

00:27:39Marc:For 12 years, you were with her 12 years?

00:27:41Guest:No, no, no.

00:27:41Guest:I've been with her for seven years.

00:27:43Marc:And you've been married nine months?

00:27:45Guest:Yep.

00:27:45Guest:oh man that's a that she must have been getting impatient oh yeah she almost murdered me yeah i i blew it i was a year behind the me too i did the exact same you waited that long too well he proposed before me so it was just like oh but we were together longer so it was like a little you and me or you and lauren

00:28:03Guest:Exactly.

00:28:03Guest:Me and Lauren.

00:28:05Marc:It gets a little crazy.

00:28:06Guest:Oh, she had the conversation where she's like, it's been too long.

00:28:10Guest:What's happening?

00:28:11Guest:As soon as you have that conversation, you're like, it's too late.

00:28:13Guest:We're having the conversation.

00:28:15Guest:I didn't want to have this conversation.

00:28:16Guest:I hoped it wouldn't come to this.

00:28:18Guest:And then I did it pretty soon after.

00:28:19Guest:Do you know why you waited?

00:28:21Guest:I don't know.

00:28:22Guest:Probably it's bullshit, rebellious.

00:28:24Guest:It's just a man thing.

00:28:25Guest:You delay doing the final lockdown for the last second you can.

00:28:29Marc:I don't know if it's comics, because I had this issue, too, where you're like, hey, but we're okay now.

00:28:33Marc:Yeah, we love it.

00:28:35Marc:Why do you got to make it crazy?

00:28:36Guest:Yeah, why do we got to put labels on this shit, man?

00:28:40Guest:Just all relax about this.

00:28:41Marc:Yeah, it seems like a lot of work.

00:28:43Marc:Things happen, then we can't leave easily.

00:28:45Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:28:46Guest:Yeah.

00:28:46Guest:No, it's true.

00:28:48Guest:And now I love being married.

00:28:49Guest:I look back and I'm like, why the fuck?

00:28:51Guest:I could have had more married years.

00:28:52Guest:If she was like, I want to put a low jack on you, I would have been like, sure.

00:28:56Guest:And moving in with, we moved in together pretty fast.

00:28:59Guest:And we got a house together pretty fast.

00:29:01Guest:So that was way more of a commitment than marrying someone in a lot of ways.

00:29:05Guest:And I was totally fine doing that.

00:29:07Guest:I had no resistance about doing that, which is so fucking weird.

00:29:10Guest:I maintained my own department to the last minute.

00:29:12Guest:It's true.

00:29:12Guest:They just moved in together, which was pretty amazing.

00:29:14Guest:That probably actually makes it more challenging and exciting.

00:29:18Guest:We get along pretty well.

00:29:19Guest:I just have a few cleanliness rules, and she abides by them, and that's all I care about.

00:29:22Guest:I just don't like crumbs and shit on the table.

00:29:24Guest:That's it.

00:29:24Marc:Yours is a crumb issue?

00:29:26Guest:Yeah, she can throw shit anywhere.

00:29:27Marc:So you don't mind mounds of clothing?

00:29:29Guest:Yeah.

00:29:30Marc:That's okay.

00:29:30Marc:Big mounds of clothing.

00:29:31Marc:Crumbs, bad.

00:29:32Guest:I don't love mounds of clothing.

00:29:33Guest:Yeah, my wife's just a little disorganized in general.

00:29:38Guest:Yeah?

00:29:38Guest:Yeah.

00:29:38Guest:Yeah, I got that going on.

00:29:40Guest:Yeah, and it's probably, I wouldn't say we fight about it a lot, but it's a bone of contention.

00:29:44Guest:I can't imagine that.

00:29:45Guest:I have the exact opposite.

00:29:46Guest:Really?

00:29:47Guest:I'm a little tornado, a mess, and she's totally organized and has everything under control.

00:29:51Marc:I wouldn't say that I'm a clean freak, but I prefer a pile over a mound.

00:29:55Guest:Me too.

00:29:55Guest:Just put it in a little pile.

00:29:56Guest:I totally can organize it.

00:29:58Guest:You can be messy.

00:29:59Guest:Just make it look kind of nice.

00:30:01Marc:Just put a little effort into the mess.

00:30:02Marc:Over here, these books, they're piles.

00:30:04Guest:It's true.

00:30:04Marc:That's a mess.

00:30:05Guest:I've been allocated where the pile has to be.

00:30:09Guest:That's pretty good.

00:30:09Guest:And I accept as long as I get my pile.

00:30:11Marc:Well, the problem with Messi is that anytime you address that kind of situation with a woman, it's so close to dad talk that there's no way it's going to go over well.

00:30:21Guest:It's exactly right.

00:30:22Guest:It's like you're tapping into a very bad thing.

00:30:24Marc:You're like, hey, do you think we can get this cleaned up?

00:30:27Guest:Yeah.

00:30:27Marc:And then their natural reaction is like, I'll do it.

00:30:30Marc:Yeah, exactly.

00:30:31Guest:It's totally true.

00:30:33Guest:I've never gotten into more trouble than when I say she's not that good a driver.

00:30:37Marc:oh no that's the dad if you say they're not good at driving it's just over it's like instantaneous like what the fuck do you mean i'm not good at driving you're the fucking worst driver in the world you don't know how to fucking drive that's right that's what i she's on me all the time with the fucking driving and i i'm terrified when she's driving she tailgates she goes too fast i feel the same way my wife has road rage she thinks i'm terrible but i think she actually she got better actually she

00:31:03Marc:What does she pick on you about?

00:31:05Marc:I have a problem with stopping.

00:31:06Marc:I don't do it very... I don't quite stop.

00:31:08Guest:Well, I am a shitty driver.

00:31:10Guest:Evan's a little bit of an absent-minded driver.

00:31:13Marc:Yeah, I'm not the best.

00:31:15Marc:When do you get to drive in Canada?

00:31:16Marc:How old?

00:31:18Marc:How old is it?

00:31:18Marc:16?

00:31:18Marc:Yeah, 16.

00:31:19Marc:It's the same.

00:31:20Marc:I was 15 in Albuquerque.

00:31:21Guest:Wow.

00:31:22Marc:Young.

00:31:23Marc:That's what I related to in Superbad was that whole liquor-buying thing.

00:31:26Marc:Yeah.

00:31:26Marc:We used to get people to buy liquor for us.

00:31:28Marc:We called them Boots.

00:31:29Guest:Boots.

00:31:29Guest:You'd call it getting Boots.

00:31:30Guest:Yeah, Boots.

00:31:31Guest:that's what you call him did you call him that in the movie no no that's a canadian we had to rewrite the whole movie for america yeah literally take place in canada when we first wrote it in high school we didn't realize that like you can't write a movie that takes place in canada and have it be released in america in a major way and so there was all these references the drinking age is 19 in canada and the liquor stores are huge government liquor stores yeah they're much more intimidating they're all like bevmo like yeah they all look like that so it's like it was a whole different thing and like to like learn the culture of like oh

00:32:00Guest:oh, people buy liquor from these little stores here.

00:32:02Guest:Yeah, mom and pop shop.

00:32:03Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:32:04Guest:We didn't get that at all.

00:32:05Guest:But you still had the dudes that would buy for you.

00:32:06Guest:Oh, yeah, totally.

00:32:09Guest:Evan had a fake ID pretty early on.

00:32:11Guest:That was pretty good.

00:32:12Guest:Someone literally found one on the ground, and it was just, the guy looked identical to me.

00:32:15Guest:If you looked on the back, he was like half a foot taller, different eye color.

00:32:18Guest:Except his head.

00:32:19Guest:In the picture, his head was like,

00:32:20Guest:and i would i would do this i would go in with tilted back so that they couldn't differentiate and it said he was 28 yeah yeah i used your cousin as a fake id for a long time robert shill robert shill yeah 16 prescott crescent that's his address

00:32:38Guest:first date uh i can't remember that february 12th or something like that does he still live there uh no no but it's so weird because i always think about those guys that bought us liquor i mean we were 15 hanging out in front i wouldn't fucking buy a kid i wouldn't either man i think about that too and especially an asshole i've done it once i was in montreal with our buddy fogel yeah these kids asked us to buy some liquor i said

00:33:05Guest:Sure, what do you guys want?

00:33:06Guest:And they were like, oh, God, they weren't ready for that?

00:33:08Guest:And one of them just went, a bottle of Drambuie.

00:33:12Guest:A bottle of Drambuie?

00:33:16Guest:I bought him the bottle.

00:33:17Guest:Like, what, did he see that in his parents' house?

00:33:19Guest:Yes, it's disgusting.

00:33:20Guest:I just couldn't help picturing those kids at night.

00:33:22Guest:What's that?

00:33:23Guest:That's that scotch liqueur, right?

00:33:27Guest:It's like liqueur and scotch flavor.

00:33:31Guest:We drank that a bunch.

00:33:32Guest:Vogel's mother had that.

00:33:33Guest:She had a ton of that and she didn't drink.

00:33:36Guest:I bought kids rolling... Some kids asked me to buy them rolling papers once, and that I did.

00:33:42Guest:Children can't buy rolling papers?

00:33:44Guest:I think I told them.

00:33:44Guest:I was like, you know you could buy these.

00:33:47Guest:I think they'll sell them to you.

00:33:50Guest:I think they were just scared to do it.

00:33:52Guest:I get that.

00:33:55Marc:So did you have any real... Did you really ever... Was there a point... There must have been a point where you're like, there's no fucking way Superbad is going to get made.

00:34:01Marc:Well... I mean, the life of that idea and that script is kind of...

00:34:07Marc:Amazing.

00:34:08Guest:But in Vancouver, they filmed movies at our high school.

00:34:11Guest:They always filmed movies around town in Vancouver.

00:34:13Guest:Americans.

00:34:13Guest:Yeah.

00:34:14Guest:And Canadians.

00:34:15Guest:Some Canadians.

00:34:16Marc:But it was cheaper to film up there.

00:34:18Guest:But it just put it in our heads that you can do it.

00:34:21Guest:And we liked short movies and the internet.

00:34:24Guest:Yeah, we thought maybe we could make our own version of it, literally, like ourselves, we thought.

00:34:27Guest:Like I was a lifeguard.

00:34:28Guest:He was a stand-up.

00:34:28Guest:And we always talked about how we'd save up money, get our own camera, go shoot it with our friends.

00:34:32Guest:Oh, right.

00:34:33Guest:So we always thought we'd make it.

00:34:34Guest:We just never thought we'd like it.

00:34:35Guest:Yeah, and it was kind of like... Make it how we made it.

00:34:37Guest:We liked Wes Anderson's movies.

00:34:39Guest:There were really low-budget little movies that we were big fans of.

00:34:43Guest:So there was a version... It's impossible.

00:34:44Guest:Yeah, there was a version where we could find some way to do it, basically.

00:34:47Guest:We just watched... And we genuinely can't remember the movie we wish we could.

00:34:50Guest:We were watching some movie one day before we started writing Superbad, and we said, this is a total piece of shit.

00:34:55Guest:And even though we're kids, I genuinely think we could do better than whoever this...

00:35:00Guest:was so we went upstairs and gave it a stab and we our first scenes the worst one of the worst written things i've ever seen but some of the jokes in the fucking original draft of super bad that we literally wrote when we were 13 years old are in the movie still and are some of like the funnier jokes in the movie which is incredibly disconcerting in a lot

00:35:19Guest:It kind of is.

00:35:22Guest:I'm like, shit, we didn't get that much better at all this time.

00:35:25Marc:No, but the emotions of the movie were that age.

00:35:27Guest:Yeah, definitely.

00:35:28Guest:Give or take a couple years.

00:35:29Guest:It's true.

00:35:30Guest:I think, like, it really... No, a lot of it was, like... We were even younger than the characters were when we first started writing it.

00:35:35Guest:So, like, it really tapped in into, like, a very visceral sense that, like, we were never going to get laid.

00:35:41Guest:Right.

00:35:41Guest:And, like, it was just never going to fucking happen.

00:35:44Guest:Like, that was, like, all we talked about, all we thought about, like...

00:35:48Guest:It was just like, and it seemed like it was impossible.

00:35:51Marc:Was there a lot of talk about jerking off in your Jewish community?

00:35:54Guest:Tons.

00:35:54Guest:Yeah.

00:35:55Marc:I don't find that with, like, that was the one bonding thing with Jewish kids.

00:35:59Guest:Yeah.

00:35:59Guest:People are shocked at how much we talk about jerking off.

00:36:03Guest:I didn't know this was a Jew thing.

00:36:04Guest:I didn't either.

00:36:05Guest:It is, I guess.

00:36:06Guest:You know what?

00:36:07Guest:Kyle never mentions jerking off.

00:36:08Guest:It's true.

00:36:10Guest:It's true, right?

00:36:11Marc:kyle's kyle's tight-lipped yeah were you guys and your friends really open about it yeah well yeah the jews were would you say like i'm gonna go jerk off now yes it could happen yeah i remember there was some sleepover at the synagogue once and and everybody decided there was i don't know if it was called rom pom or i don't remember what it was but everybody was gonna jerk off at the same time but we all knew we weren't except we didn't tell the one kid oh god

00:36:36Marc:So in the middle of this sweep over, we're like, all right, go.

00:36:40Marc:And then someone flipped the light on.

00:36:41Marc:It was just this one kid, Gary.

00:36:43Guest:Oh, no.

00:36:44Guest:Gary was just jerking off by himself.

00:36:46Guest:Gary's probably very successful because of that experience.

00:36:51Guest:Or in big trouble.

00:36:52Guest:Gary's worked hard to fight against that.

00:36:54Guest:Gary's somewhere jerking off right now.

00:36:57Guest:He can only come in large groups of people in a synagogue now is the problem.

00:37:02Guest:That old thing.

00:37:03Marc:Exactly.

00:37:03Marc:A very specific fetish.

00:37:04Guest:Very weird.

00:37:05Guest:Now flip the lights on.

00:37:08Guest:Now laugh at me.

00:37:10Guest:All of you laugh at me.

00:37:13Marc:Yeah, it was just a weird thing.

00:37:15Marc:I mean, you know, it was just something that you talked about.

00:37:17Marc:I don't know what the hell it is.

00:37:17Marc:Maybe I'm being too Jewish elitist.

00:37:21Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:37:23Guest:That is pretty Jewish.

00:37:24Guest:Yeah, Jewish exceptionalism.

00:37:25Guest:We truly are the chosen people.

00:37:26Marc:Yeah, we can talk freely about masturbating.

00:37:28Guest:Only us talk freely about masturbating.

00:37:31Guest:The Goyim hate masturbation.

00:37:33Guest:They do.

00:37:33Guest:They won't hide it no matter to their death.

00:37:35Guest:They're shameful.

00:37:36Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:37:37Marc:Well, no, I think it was part of the comedic cultural dialogue with Woody Allen.

00:37:40Guest:I think so, too.

00:37:41Guest:And I do think inherently it is like a bigger sin to jerk off when you're Christian.

00:37:46Guest:Maybe.

00:37:46Guest:There's like some mention of it.

00:37:48Guest:Like you get no mention that jerking off is bad.

00:37:51Guest:All it says is, I don't know why I remember this from Hebrew school.

00:37:54Guest:It says you're not supposed to spill your seed on the ground.

00:37:56Guest:Interpret it as you will.

00:37:57Guest:So a washcloth is fine.

00:37:59Guest:I caught that shit.

00:37:59Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:00Marc:It doesn't matter.

00:38:02Marc:Wash, go out the sock.

00:38:03Guest:Yeah.

00:38:04Guest:If it hits the ground, you fucked up.

00:38:06Guest:Yeah.

00:38:06Guest:Then you're in trouble with God.

00:38:07Guest:Exactly.

00:38:08Guest:But if there's carpet, you're good.

00:38:09Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:38:10Guest:Right?

00:38:10Guest:But carpet could be interpreted as ground, and that's what I'm asking for.

00:38:14Guest:Then I might be in trouble.

00:38:15Guest:We encourage clean masturbation.

00:38:17Guest:Yeah.

00:38:17Marc:Why don't I never had any sense of sin or wrong no in a religious sense Could you imagine how lame that would have been when you were a teen jerking off and you were like this is wrong?

00:38:26Marc:Oh my god Catholics all the time.

00:38:28Marc:I know it's terrible first They don't shame.

00:38:31Marc:I wouldn't know what I would have done.

00:38:32Marc:What would I've done with my time?

00:38:34Guest:I don't know what I've developed as a person would have you would have just felt worse about I just picture all the jerking off moments replaced with just me crying oh

00:38:42Guest:Alone in my bedroom.

00:38:44Guest:All those great moments of relief and fucking excitement.

00:38:47Guest:It's true.

00:38:47Guest:I'm picturing like a montage of my best hits right now.

00:38:53Guest:Just slow motion.

00:38:57Guest:Where's the weirdest place you ever jerked off?

00:38:59Guest:Oh man, that's a good question.

00:39:01Guest:I probably jerked off some weird places.

00:39:02Guest:Airplane bathroom.

00:39:03Guest:Yeah.

00:39:04Guest:Yeah.

00:39:04Guest:Just to kill some fucking time every once in a while.

00:39:07Marc:And then you start to worry that like someone's waiting out there.

00:39:09Guest:It's true.

00:39:09Guest:Yeah.

00:39:10Guest:You got to wait till like the middle of the night and like a long international flight.

00:39:14Guest:Like finally everyone's gone.

00:39:16Marc:I jerked off on a ferry once.

00:39:19Marc:A ferry boat.

00:39:21Guest:That's pretty good.

00:39:21Guest:Was it a long ride?

00:39:22Marc:No.

00:39:23Guest:It was just a one-minute jaunt across the river.

00:39:27Guest:It's a 15-minute ferry ride.

00:39:28Marc:It was a Staten Island ferry.

00:39:30Marc:Just going to Staten Island.

00:39:31Marc:I don't know what the hell happened to me.

00:39:31Guest:You almost didn't make it.

00:39:33Marc:I was actually with my first wife and her parents.

00:39:35Marc:Really?

00:39:36Guest:Yeah.

00:39:36Marc:You just probably wanted to get away.

00:39:38Marc:I did want to get away, but there was this Scandinavian girl wearing a denim one-piece outfit, and I was going nuts.

00:39:43Marc:Yeah.

00:39:43Marc:And I'm like, fuck it.

00:39:44Marc:Fuck it.

00:39:45Marc:You just had to do it.

00:39:46Marc:I just had to do it.

00:39:47Marc:And I went down there and fucking took care of it.

00:39:49Marc:All roads led to it.

00:39:50Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:39:50Guest:This is inevitable.

00:39:52Marc:You had no choice.

00:39:52Marc:I had no choice.

00:39:54Guest:Sometimes you just got to do it.

00:39:55Marc:You do.

00:39:55Marc:And it's better if you're indoors and alone, I think.

00:39:58Guest:I don't think I ever jerked off in synagogue.

00:40:00Guest:One year at summer camp.

00:40:02Guest:Unlike this poor kid.

00:40:03Guest:We had.

00:40:04Guest:There's a certain part.

00:40:05Guest:I don't think he finished.

00:40:06Guest:Yeah.

00:40:06Guest:It doesn't only count if you finish.

00:40:09Guest:No.

00:40:10Guest:I've rubbed up against a lot of shit.

00:40:13Guest:Some kids fucked the couch, I heard.

00:40:15Guest:I've never done that.

00:40:16Guest:I probably fucked the couch.

00:40:17Guest:I think I fucked the couch.

00:40:18Marc:I didn't fuck a couch.

00:40:19Marc:I remember one time I was on a family trip, and we were in the back, and it was a long drive, and my parents were up front, and I just sat in the backseat trying to make myself come without touching my dick.

00:40:30LAUGHTER

00:40:30Marc:I feel like every guy has the same story there where they think they've almost got there probably but I feel like it's like a minute like everyone has the friend who can do that I don't know if I never knew somebody that could actually do a guy who could do know there was a guy in our school who could suck his own dick so similar similar gag do it which is not with his brain exactly this without his hands though yeah yeah

00:40:57Marc:Let's stick with Superbad for a minute, because Jonah, you met down here, right?

00:41:03Guest:Yeah, we were auditioning people for 40-Year-Old Virgin at that time.

00:41:10Guest:His part in that was ridiculously hilarious.

00:41:13Marc:Yeah, it's super funny.

00:41:14Marc:It's almost like, you know, you're kind of like, who is that fucking guy?

00:41:18Guest:And it was literally like one line in the script.

00:41:20Guest:Like in the script, it was like the whole joke was like she works at this eBay store and like the joke was like, can I buy these?

00:41:25Guest:And she's like, no, you can't buy them here.

00:41:27Guest:And he's just like, I don't get it.

00:41:28Guest:She's like, it's fucking complicated.

00:41:29Guest:And that was, like, the whole exchange.

00:41:31Guest:And then he showed up and was just, like, so funny.

00:41:34Guest:Like, it was crazy.

00:41:35Guest:And he, like, was improvising.

00:41:36Guest:Like, it was kind of like the beginning when we had a lot of time to improvise.

00:41:40Guest:So he was just, like, improvising.

00:41:41Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:42Guest:And we were like, this guy's amazing.

00:41:44Guest:And then we put him in Knocked Up.

00:41:46Guest:And then as one of my roommates, and then it was during... We filmed Knocked Up before Superbad.

00:41:51Guest:And then it was during Knocked Up that we, like, realized we could put him in Superbad, basically.

00:41:56Guest:Yeah.

00:41:56Guest:he he actually wanted to be in super bad and we kept we said no to him like 10 times we kept telling him he was too old and he was like i'm not camera test me in life i look it on camera i won't yeah judd me seth we just didn't believe him and then we auditioned tons of people and we couldn't find anyone funny and literally we went in my trailer on knocked up with like a video camera and we're just like okay read the scene and he did it and it was so funny and we literally like took it from my trailer to amy who the head of sony's office and we're like we want to use jonah and she was

00:42:24Guest:I was like, okay, use Jonah.

00:42:26Guest:And then that was it.

00:42:27Guest:And he was like, fuck you guys.

00:42:28Guest:I've been trying to do this forever.

00:42:30Guest:And it was amazing.

00:42:33Guest:Yeah, he was so funny.

00:42:34Marc:But it's interesting that you talk about when you're writing Superbad that it seemed like a possibility because I'm older than you.

00:42:39Marc:I'm 49.

00:42:40Marc:But when I was a kid, you wouldn't have never thought that.

00:42:43Marc:Because the independent movies weren't like that.

00:42:45Marc:You guys grew up in a time where it's like some guy made a movie for $10.

00:42:49Guest:Exactly.

00:42:50Guest:And people had like video cameras and shit like that.

00:42:51Guest:And you could just fucking do it.

00:42:52Marc:Yeah, when we had video cameras, but they were bulky and it wasn't that easy.

00:42:56Marc:Yeah.

00:42:56Marc:So, okay.

00:42:57Marc:So it goes through the first draft and then you get Freaks and Geeks.

00:42:59Marc:You get cast there in Vancouver.

00:43:02Marc:Yeah.

00:43:02Guest:Yeah.

00:43:02Marc:Judd came up there who Paul came up there.

00:43:05Guest:Yeah.

00:43:05Guest:They like I got an agent through doing stand up basically.

00:43:09Guest:And yeah Judd and Paul came up to Vancouver and did casting all around North America.

00:43:15Guest:And I came in on one of the days and then I got cast basically out of Vancouver.

00:43:21Marc:And you moved down here.

00:43:22Guest:Yeah, I moved to LA.

00:43:23Marc:And you stayed in Vancouver.

00:43:25Marc:I had no career.

00:43:26Guest:Yeah.

00:43:28Guest:I was teaching aquatic fitness at the YMCA.

00:43:30Guest:Were you really?

00:43:31Guest:Yeah.

00:43:32Guest:To old people?

00:43:32Guest:And I didn't look much different than the guy you're looking at.

00:43:35Guest:Like, this was still here.

00:43:36Guest:To old people, right?

00:43:37Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:38Guest:Old and young.

00:43:39Guest:Mostly old.

00:43:39Marc:So, okay, so now your best friend makes the break.

00:43:43Marc:I was making more money.

00:43:46Guest:That I don't think is true.

00:43:47Guest:And he leaves.

00:43:47Guest:He's like, what did you say to him?

00:43:49Guest:Like, I got to go, man.

00:43:51Guest:No, I remember we, yeah, it was like I did the pilot, so I left for a little bit, and then I came back.

00:43:56Guest:And I remember, like, it was actually the night of our school had that Hawaiian dance.

00:44:00Guest:When you smashed Paul in the head and almost gave him a concussion.

00:44:03Guest:Yeah, and I got so drunk I almost got kicked out of school that night.

00:44:06Guest:Who's Paul?

00:44:06Guest:A guy we went to high school with.

00:44:09Marc:Just a dude.

00:44:10Marc:What, did you smash him in the head as a joke?

00:44:11Guest:They had giant fake boxing gloves on, and Seth slid forward, and it kind of just ended with his fist smashing into the guy's head.

00:44:18Guest:We had like a carnival at school, and me and my friends got drunk and went to the carnival.

00:44:22Guest:Rob did get kicked.

00:44:23Guest:One of our friends.

00:44:23Guest:Yeah, one of our friends actually.

00:44:25Guest:He threw up.

00:44:25Guest:That was kind of the rule.

00:44:26Guest:You can.

00:44:26Guest:get drunk you just couldn't throw up yeah yeah you throw up you're out and then one of the kids one of our friends threw up and actually got kicked out of school that day but it was that night we had a dance after the carnival and i literally remember being on a pay phone which fucking shows how yeah you know old i'm right now and uh i got i was calling my mom and she said that they got a call that freaks and geeks got picked up and that i was gonna that we were gonna move to la basically wow yeah it was fucking crazy so i found out like at the high school

00:44:54Marc:And you told him.

00:44:55Marc:Yeah.

00:44:56Marc:And you were hurt and said, all right, go do what you got to do.

00:44:59Guest:I didn't care.

00:44:59Guest:I didn't want to be an actor at all.

00:45:01Guest:And we were about to graduate high school anyway by then.

00:45:03Guest:Yeah.

00:45:03Guest:We were in like 11th grade at this point.

00:45:05Marc:You didn't want to be an actor, but you want to be a writer.

00:45:07Marc:And you had this movie.

00:45:08Guest:Yeah.

00:45:08Guest:So for me, it's just like, nice.

00:45:10Guest:Go set the groundwork.

00:45:11Guest:Yeah.

00:45:12Guest:Make it happen, dude.

00:45:12Guest:Did you think that?

00:45:13Marc:Yeah.

00:45:14Guest:Which is exactly what I did.

00:45:17Guest:We talked about it.

00:45:18Guest:Well, the thing is, at every point in our lives, we continued writing together over the phone.

00:45:24Guest:We never wrote a part, so we would always just get on the phone for like an hour or two, a few times a week.

00:45:29Guest:The whole time I went to university, the whole time he was down there, just kept it going.

00:45:33Guest:Yeah, and even when I was on Freaks and Geeks, we would talk on the phone, literally.

00:45:37Guest:We would rewrite, instead of doing school, I would rewrite Superbad with Evan.

00:45:41Marc:It was always just one script.

00:45:42Guest:Yeah, that was all we were doing at that time.

00:45:44Marc:It's interesting to me.

00:45:45Marc:This was like your cane.

00:45:46Guest:It was.

00:45:47Guest:Well, we genuinely sat down and said, what do we know?

00:45:49Guest:And the answer was just, we want to get laid so goddamn badly.

00:45:53Guest:And that was literally, as humans, the only story we thought we had to tell.

00:45:57Guest:When did you finally get laid?

00:46:00Guest:First year of university.

00:46:01Guest:Yeah, 18 or 19.

00:46:02Guest:19.

00:46:03Guest:Yeah, how was it?

00:46:05Guest:Yeah, it was great.

00:46:06Guest:Wonderful, yeah.

00:46:07Guest:I was a rock star my first time, and then the second time it was like... Messy.

00:46:10Guest:14 seconds.

00:46:13Guest:I'll never forget how quick that was.

00:46:15Guest:The first time you're nervous, so you have a lot... Yeah, thank God for that nerve.

00:46:18Guest:You're psyching yourself out in a good way.

00:46:21Guest:It's helpful.

00:46:22Guest:The only reason I can perform sexually is because I'm constantly psyching myself out.

00:46:26Guest:Because I'm paralyzed with fear every time.

00:46:31Guest:Exactly.

00:46:31Guest:But we wrote most of the movie before we ever had sex.

00:46:38Guest:It's probably one of the few movies about people who want to lose their virginity that was written by people who had not lost their virginity.

00:46:44Marc:It feels like it's a little late, but I mean, I was 17, but it wasn't good.

00:46:47Marc:Maybe it would have been better if I waited until 18 or 19.

00:46:49Marc:Yeah.

00:46:49Guest:I liked how I got it going, which is I had a girlfriend, we had sex, and we dated for a year.

00:46:55Guest:So you can get good at it.

00:46:57Guest:Full good year.

00:46:58Guest:Right.

00:46:58Guest:I couldn't imagine the version of one girl for two days, another girl three weeks later.

00:47:03Marc:No, you want to figure out your- You need that relationship, skill, the craft.

00:47:07Guest:You need to figure it out.

00:47:08Guest:The craft, Vince.

00:47:08Guest:Your coxsmanship.

00:47:09Guest:Your coxsmanship.

00:47:11Marc:How long were you with the girl?

00:47:12Guest:Yeah, around like eight months or something like that.

00:47:14Guest:Yeah, it was enough time that I can... Did you thank her?

00:47:18Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:47:18Guest:Yeah, definitely.

00:47:21Guest:This has been great.

00:47:22Guest:You really helped me out.

00:47:24Guest:I really appreciate what you've done for me.

00:47:26Guest:She didn't make me that good.

00:47:28Guest:I still have a long way to go.

00:47:31Guest:Hey, if it works.

00:47:32Guest:If it works, it works.

00:47:34Marc:Are you going to have kids?

00:47:37Guest:We talk about it.

00:47:37Guest:They'll have kids before we have kids.

00:47:38Guest:I have kids, I think.

00:47:40Guest:I just had my nephew.

00:47:41Guest:I'm there.

00:47:43Guest:She wants it.

00:47:44Guest:I'm ready.

00:47:44Guest:We're doing it.

00:47:45Guest:Are you?

00:47:46Guest:Unless I shoot blanks.

00:47:47Guest:We'll find out.

00:47:48Marc:I've been through two marriages.

00:47:49Marc:I haven't had kids, but I just proposed to that girl in there.

00:47:51Marc:Nice.

00:47:52Marc:And I'm an old man already, but she wants to have kids, so I think I'm going to go ahead and do it.

00:47:55Marc:Do it.

00:47:55Marc:What's the worst that can happen?

00:47:56Marc:I get old and I say, you know, just come.

00:47:58Marc:Daddy can't run too fast.

00:48:00Guest:Exactly.

00:48:02Guest:You'll be an old dad.

00:48:02Guest:Seth had a good line once.

00:48:03Guest:He said, I think that it might be something that's a fundamental part of human experience.

00:48:08Guest:You said that once drunk.

00:48:10Guest:I was drunk and I said that.

00:48:11Guest:I think when I was drunk.

00:48:12Guest:Being a father?

00:48:13Guest:Yeah.

00:48:13Guest:No, I think so.

00:48:14Guest:I think you're right.

00:48:15Guest:I just feel like I'm not going to do this whole thing.

00:48:17Guest:Like, I think of how great the iPad is, and then I think that this thing's so much better than my iPad.

00:48:22Guest:It's like going through life never touching an iPad.

00:48:24Guest:And you just want someone there when you're old.

00:48:26Guest:Yeah.

00:48:26Marc:I think so.

00:48:27Marc:Like, I managed to avoid it, you know, for the same reason you avoid asking someone to marry you.

00:48:31Marc:It's sort of like, ah, it's a lot of... Seems like a lot.

00:48:34Guest:Yeah, let's just talk about this next week.

00:48:35Marc:Seems like a whole to-do.

00:48:36Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:48:37Marc:I think he's going to buy supplies.

00:48:39Guest:Yeah, it's true.

00:48:41Guest:Well, both our siblings have just knocked out some kids, and it's...

00:48:43Guest:It's pretty fun.

00:48:44Guest:It is fun.

00:48:45Guest:And our friends are starting to have kids.

00:48:46Guest:My wife is not as enthusiastic about having children right now.

00:48:51Guest:But if you asked us a few years ago, we'd probably say we were never going to have kids.

00:48:55Guest:Now we've warmed up to maybe in four or five years we'll have kids.

00:48:59Marc:Yeah?

00:48:59Marc:Yeah.

00:49:00Marc:Wow.

00:49:01Marc:That's a long wait.

00:49:02Marc:I bet you it happens sooner.

00:49:03Guest:We'll see.

00:49:04Marc:How old is your brother?

00:49:05Marc:You got brother, sister?

00:49:06Guest:No, I have an older sister.

00:49:07Guest:Three years old.

00:49:07Marc:How many kids she has?

00:49:08Guest:She has two kids.

00:49:09Guest:Just had her sister.

00:49:09Guest:You like them?

00:49:10Guest:Yeah, they're awesome.

00:49:12Guest:What do you got?

00:49:12Guest:I got a brother two years older, married one of my best friends.

00:49:16Guest:They got a kid who's 13 months.

00:49:17Guest:Yeah.

00:49:18Guest:Married my roommate, actually.

00:49:19Guest:Yeah, his brother married his college roommate, who he was already friends with.

00:49:22Guest:He asked me who he should go for when my year of staff came to be staff at our Jewish summer camp.

00:49:28Guest:Jewish summer camp hookup.

00:49:29Guest:Yeah, really?

00:49:29Guest:My sister's husband is also someone who we went to Jewish summer camp with.

00:49:35Guest:That's so funny.

00:49:37Guest:Are they all up in Canada?

00:49:38Guest:Yeah.

00:49:38Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:49:39Marc:Now, do you miss Canada?

00:49:41Marc:Yeah.

00:49:41Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:49:42Marc:I mean, because you're both from Vancouver.

00:49:44Marc:Yeah.

00:49:44Marc:That's a great city.

00:49:45Marc:Yeah, it's awesome.

00:49:46Marc:I always think it looks like it was built out of a kit.

00:49:48Guest:It kind of does.

00:49:49Guest:It was very nicely assembled.

00:49:52Guest:There was nothing, and then there was a box.

00:49:53Guest:Exactly.

00:49:54Guest:Someone just unpacked it.

00:49:55Guest:Yeah.

00:49:55Guest:Yeah, it's nice.

00:49:56Guest:It's awesome.

00:49:57Guest:The food is good.

00:49:58Marc:Yeah.

00:49:58Guest:Our friends are there.

00:50:00Marc:It's a weird vibe, though.

00:50:01Marc:It's very different.

00:50:02Marc:It seems to be missing that element of fear that is so prominent here.

00:50:06Guest:There's no fear there.

00:50:08Guest:I would love to miss that element of fear.

00:50:10Marc:It's true, though, right?

00:50:11Marc:Do you sense it?

00:50:12Marc:Because when you're in Canada, you're like, all right, there's a dirty corner.

00:50:14Marc:Yeah.

00:50:15Marc:But there's not.

00:50:16Marc:I think the people are more comfortable.

00:50:18Marc:And I do think that the socialization of certain things helps people.

00:50:22Guest:Definitely.

00:50:22Marc:They know that.

00:50:23Marc:I don't want to worry about that.

00:50:24Guest:No, for sure.

00:50:25Guest:There's not an overall... Yeah, it's exactly what you said.

00:50:28Guest:People are less panicked, I think.

00:50:30Guest:Yeah, I mean, America, by nature, has to be more panicked.

00:50:34Guest:They're kind of like a nice buffer for Canada.

00:50:36Guest:I think there's a sense that it's less of an evolving beast than America.

00:50:40Guest:I think in America, it's always changing.

00:50:43Guest:it's competitive it's not you know socialization changes a lot of things you know like here it's like everything you know should be privatized and everyone's like worried about you know whether they're going to be able to you know get sick and go to a doctor exactly and it always feels like like things need to change the gay marriage needs to be legalized and it's not and abortion needs to be okay and it's not and in canada feels like around 50 years ago they kind of figured out all that shit and we're all just kind of enjoying the results of it right right yeah

00:51:08Marc:It's actually, they care about the people.

00:51:10Marc:The government sort of serves a purpose.

00:51:11Marc:I imagine there's complaints that people have, and it's not as competitive.

00:51:15Marc:And for that, they, you know, there's- You got to wait.

00:51:18Guest:Yeah.

00:51:18Guest:A lot of waiting in Canada.

00:51:19Guest:Yeah.

00:51:19Guest:You get free shit, but you got to wait for it.

00:51:21Guest:And doctors, I think, like come to America because they get paid more here because there's more like- Sure.

00:51:25Guest:Capitalist environment.

00:51:26Marc:I wonder if they-

00:51:26Marc:They can have a private practice, though, in Canada, can't they, as well?

00:51:29Marc:Yeah.

00:51:30Marc:Like, they can work for the... They can see patients on that, on the social... Yeah, it's not like you have to go to a certain doctor or anything.

00:51:35Guest:Right, right, right.

00:51:36Guest:And there's definitely, like, super-rich doctors and less-rich doctors.

00:51:40Guest:But the super-rich doctors in Canada are nothing compared to the super-rich doctors in America.

00:51:44Guest:Yeah, that's true.

00:51:44Guest:But they're still pretty fucking rich.

00:51:46Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:51:46Guest:Like, our friend's parents, who were, like, eye doctors and, like, psychologists and stuff, they were, like, super-rich.

00:51:51Guest:Yeah, that's a good racket, the eye doctor.

00:51:54Guest:Eye doctor, yeah.

00:51:54Guest:What'd your dad do?

00:51:55Guest:my dad was a lawyer and has like a venture capital group he does now oh yeah in canada yeah he hired our best buddy fogle who was the mclovin guy in super bed he works with my dad now it's true super weird it's so fucking strange it's really strange what's your dad do uh he worked at like non-profit organizations basically he never had like a full-on like career like so they were real progressive jews yeah helping the

00:52:19Guest:people.

00:52:20Guest:They were.

00:52:20Guest:He worked at the British Columbia Coalition of People with Disabilities for most of my childhood, which was like an advocacy group for disabled people, basically.

00:52:31Marc:Wow.

00:52:31Marc:Yeah.

00:52:32Marc:You grew up with good-hearted people.

00:52:33Guest:Good-hearted.

00:52:34Guest:It's literally the exact opposite of a venture capitalist.

00:52:39Guest:He's like Robin Hood with the venture capital.

00:52:42Guest:Did your mom work?

00:52:43Guest:Yeah, she was a social worker.

00:52:45Guest:Wow.

00:52:46Guest:Yeah.

00:52:47Guest:So they were probably very tolerant and supportive.

00:52:49Guest:They were incredibly tolerant and supportive, which is the only reason we became writers, because my parents, unlike Evans, were incredibly tolerant.

00:52:56Guest:My mother would come in when we were writing, and she would tell us to go outside and play.

00:53:00Guest:You guys are wasting your time.

00:53:01Guest:She would just be like, stop doing that.

00:53:02Guest:Go outside and play.

00:53:03Guest:And we were like 15.

00:53:04Guest:You don't say go outside and play.

00:53:06Guest:It literally wasn't until Pineapple Express came out that his parents were like, okay.

00:53:10Guest:I think they have a shot at this Hollywood thing.

00:53:11Guest:No, no, man.

00:53:11Guest:Green Hornet.

00:53:12Guest:Yeah.

00:53:13Guest:It's like, we've been here for years.

00:53:14Guest:And my mother genuinely was like, I think you might have something going here.

00:53:19Guest:And what's weird is like, yeah, the whole time we were writing Superbad, they were like, no, no, no.

00:53:23Guest:And I was doing well as a stand-up comedian relatively.

00:53:26Guest:It was like nothing.

00:53:27Guest:like be skeptical of like as far like I was like I was like one of the comics in town I like would headline some nights yeah open for guys some nights like and I and like and they still were like there was like no sense that we would ever succeed actually though in hindsight it was mostly my mother because my dad did drive me down to LA two times no it's mostly your mom yeah it was mostly my mom she genuinely just thought we were wasting our time I think they're afraid

00:53:51Marc:Maybe.

00:53:52Marc:They want something like, how are you going to... There's no security in their minds to it.

00:53:58Guest:They like the job of a lawyer for their children.

00:54:00Guest:Sure, it's a job.

00:54:01Guest:My brother's a lawyer now.

00:54:02Guest:Oh, really?

00:54:03Guest:He did the dick drawings for Superbad, though.

00:54:05Guest:So he should be an artist.

00:54:06Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:54:07Guest:Okay.

00:54:08Marc:Well, it sounds like your dad was sort of like, this is fun.

00:54:11Marc:The kids have fun.

00:54:12Guest:When I was a kid, my dad would watch Mel Brooks movies with me and just be like,

00:54:14Guest:These guys make these dumb fucking comedies and make a billion dollars.

00:54:18Guest:And I love the movies.

00:54:20Guest:And I'd like to think that we're slowly churning into the schmucks who get to... No, I'm not saying that.

00:54:26Guest:Well, I wish.

00:54:27Guest:I'm saying the schmucks who get money to make stupid dumb jokes.

00:54:31Marc:What about the weed?

00:54:32Marc:Where do they stand on the weed?

00:54:33Guest:yeah where are your parents my parents don't care they don't care they don't want me to ever be out of control with anything but right only recently like because my dad like you know and it's not you know when you own talk shows and stuff like sometimes like like last time I went on Letterman like they literally he asked me 10 minutes of weed questions like completely unprompted like if you haven't seen this it's

00:54:52Guest:and it was like crazy like I like it was like none of it was in the pre-interview it was like all other shit and so we're just like here's like an onslaught of weed questions for like 10 straight fucking minutes and like only recently my dad has been like do you have to talk about weed every single time you're on one of these shows I was like

00:55:08Guest:I don't know, what do you say to David Letterman?

00:55:10Guest:No, my dad doesn't want me to talk about that anymore.

00:55:13Guest:That would be funny, actually.

00:55:15Guest:Our parents were walking around the after party of the premiere, and there might have been some weed smoke running around.

00:55:21Guest:Yeah, they were okay with it.

00:55:22Guest:My dad came up to me, and I thought he might say something about all the weed, and he was just like, where's more beer?

00:55:27Marc:This was last night?

00:55:28Guest:Yes.

00:55:29Guest:Were your folks here, too?

00:55:30Guest:They were, but my sister was here with my eight-week-old nephew, and so they did not come up to the weed smoking area.

00:55:37Guest:But they all live in Canada?

00:55:38Guest:Yeah, they all live in Vancouver.

00:55:39Guest:My parents come back and forth.

00:55:40Guest:They have a place in Laguna Beach.

00:55:41Marc:Oh, that's nice.

00:55:42Marc:Yeah.

00:55:42Marc:And your folks, they just come down for the special events?

00:55:45Guest:Yeah, they just come down for special events.

00:55:46Guest:I go up there as much as I can.

00:55:47Guest:There's usually an excuse here or there.

00:55:49Guest:Grandfather's 90th birthday, brother has a kid.

00:55:52Guest:93 now.

00:55:53Guest:Wow.

00:55:54Guest:We crossed swords at his 90 first.

00:55:56Guest:You did?

00:55:57Guest:While peeing?

00:55:58Guest:Took him longer to pull his sword out.

00:55:59Guest:What did his dick look like?

00:56:01Guest:Pretty good.

00:56:01Guest:It's nice to know my dick will be like his dick.

00:56:05Guest:And I just saw my nephew's penis.

00:56:06Guest:That dick's been around for a whole generation.

00:56:08Guest:90-year-old dick.

00:56:10Guest:That's crazy.

00:56:12Guest:Hopefully one day we three will have 90-year-old dicks.

00:56:15Guest:I know I put mine through a lot.

00:56:16Guest:I know.

00:56:16Guest:If it sticks around until then, I'll be very thankful for it.

00:56:21Guest:I'm glad they don't just fall off at a certain point.

00:56:23Guest:Exactly.

00:56:23Guest:I do constantly marvel at that.

00:56:25Guest:Like I do have this thing dangling off my body and it's never got like caught in anything.

00:56:28Guest:Like just like a general like machine or like a bicycle spoke.

00:56:31Guest:Well, I went to a bicycle.

00:56:34Guest:Yeah.

00:56:35Guest:I'm just lucky.

00:56:36Guest:I went to a nudist resort for vacation.

00:56:39Guest:It's funny.

00:56:39Guest:I always wanted to go to a nudist.

00:56:41Guest:Always talked about going to a nudist.

00:56:42Guest:So I finally years.

00:56:45Guest:So I fight after we finished.

00:56:46Guest:This is the end.

00:56:47Guest:I wanted to do what I wanted to do.

00:56:48Guest:So I went to one.

00:56:49Guest:Yeah.

00:56:50Guest:And I, they ain't no good.

00:56:51Guest:He discovered why we wear clothes.

00:56:54Guest:We wear clothes because we have mucus membranes and body parts.

00:56:58Guest:The moment they just told me I had to put a towel down on anything I sat on, I was like, why?

00:57:02Guest:Oh, gross.

00:57:02Guest:Yeah, so you don't get a butthole.

00:57:06Guest:Yeah, I'm worried about that in the hotel room.

00:57:08Guest:And then I wanted to barbecue, and I had to put on clothes, and then people kind of shamed me for putting on clothes to barbecue, but I didn't want to burn my penis.

00:57:15Guest:Exactly.

00:57:16Guest:It was just...

00:57:16Guest:It just wasn't as good.

00:57:17Marc:Why did you want to go to a nudist?

00:57:19Marc:What did you think was going to happen?

00:57:20Guest:I thought I would feel so free.

00:57:21Guest:But then what I realized is I have a job where I can do kind of, you know, talk about anything.

00:57:27Guest:There's no faux pas things in the comedy room.

00:57:29Guest:Yeah.

00:57:29Guest:So I don't have anything to get off my chest.

00:57:32Guest:Yeah.

00:57:32Guest:All the people at news resorts are like stifled up.

00:57:34Guest:Yeah.

00:57:35Guest:Like stifled middle American kind of people who just need to bust free.

00:57:38Guest:Right.

00:57:39Guest:You bust free all the time.

00:57:40Guest:The best part though was there was a guy with a huge dick and no one would talk to him.

00:57:44Yeah.

00:57:44Guest:Really?

00:57:46Guest:One guy with a really big dick and no one would talk to him, no one chatted with him.

00:57:49Guest:You don't want a big dick in the nudist world.

00:57:52Guest:People think you're doing it.

00:57:53Guest:They question your motives.

00:57:54Guest:Exactly, they question your motives.

00:57:56Guest:Why is this guy into this?

00:57:58Guest:Is it just to show his giant dick off?

00:58:00Guest:We get it.

00:58:01Guest:Okay, we get it.

00:58:02Guest:Yeah, you know.

00:58:04Marc:That's hilarious.

00:58:05Guest:Just alone?

00:58:06Guest:Just him and his dick?

00:58:07Guest:Just him and his sad, huge dick.

00:58:11Guest:Just talking to his dick.

00:58:13Marc:We're having a good time, aren't we?

00:58:15Guest:Me and you, dick.

00:58:18Marc:So, all right.

00:58:18Marc:So then, okay.

00:58:19Marc:So you do Freaks and Geeks, Hicks Ass.

00:58:21Marc:You come down then?

00:58:22Guest:I came and left numerous times.

00:58:25Guest:Yeah.

00:58:26Guest:I came for a summer and we wrote Pineapple Express.

00:58:30Guest:I left.

00:58:30Guest:I went back to school.

00:58:31Guest:I went traveling.

00:58:32Guest:I came back.

00:58:33Guest:I moved to LA for a year.

00:58:35Guest:We did the Ali G show together, which was our first paid job together.

00:58:38Guest:Yeah.

00:58:38Marc:And you wrote as partners on that?

00:58:40Guest:You were hired together as a team?

00:58:41Guest:Yeah.

00:58:42Guest:And Seth had done stuff before, and I had never done anything professional.

00:58:45Guest:And I'll never forget, we go in for the first day, and it's like a six-hour test.

00:58:48Marc:So this is before Pineapple Express was made or before the other was made?

00:58:50Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:51Marc:Nothing had been made.

00:58:51Marc:You'd just been on Freaks and Geeks.

00:58:52Guest:No, we had been on Freaks and Geeks, and then I did Undeclared.

00:58:56Guest:And that was it.

00:58:57Guest:And then Undeclared was canceled, and I was basically unemployed for a pretty long time, a couple years, basically.

00:59:03Guest:And I was just auditioning for shitty movies mostly.

00:59:06Guest:And meanwhile, at this point, yeah, we had like written Pineapple Express.

00:59:11Guest:And again, that was just like a second script that we had written.

00:59:15Guest:Right.

00:59:15Guest:And also no one wanted to make.

00:59:18Guest:And yeah.

00:59:19Guest:And so and then we started working on the LG show.

00:59:21Guest:We're probably 21 or 22 at this point, basically.

00:59:23Marc:Well, how'd you get the Ali G job?

00:59:24Marc:Do you know him?

00:59:25Guest:No, I think it was Judd.

00:59:28Guest:It was through Judd.

00:59:28Guest:I'll never forget.

00:59:29Guest:He called me and said, we got the chance to go over this Ali G show, but we'd never get it.

00:59:34Guest:So like, I don't know.

00:59:35Guest:And I was like, I will fly down there.

00:59:37Guest:We have to do this.

00:59:37Guest:Did you know him?

00:59:39Guest:No, I didn't know the show.

00:59:40Guest:You knew of him.

00:59:41Guest:There was one video of him at Cannes Film Festival.

00:59:45Guest:But I didn't know it was him until you told me when I came to L.A.

00:59:49Guest:You just said, someone's willing to give us an interview.

00:59:52Marc:But this was like a second season.

00:59:53Marc:He'd already done some in England, right?

00:59:55Guest:He'd done a bunch of seasons.

00:59:56Guest:Yeah, he had done.

00:59:57Marc:This was the HBO game.

00:59:58Guest:This was the HBO show.

01:00:00Guest:Right.

01:00:00Guest:So, yeah, Judd called.

01:00:02Guest:I guess Sasha and Judd were talking.

01:00:03Guest:He had just started the HBO show, and he said, like, is there any writers that you know?

01:00:07Guest:And Judd knew that we had been trying to write, and he said, maybe you should meet with these guys.

01:00:11Guest:And so he met with us, and we pitched him some of the stuff that they used, actually, on the show.

01:00:16Guest:The spring break stuff with the wrestlers.

01:00:18Guest:Yeah, that they could go to spring break with, like, the Bruno character and fuck with the wrestlers and crack guys and shit like that.

01:00:25Guest:And they said to us, how do you go to spring break?

01:00:27Guest:Yeah, they didn't know what spring break was because in the UK they don't have spring break like we do.

01:00:32Guest:And they're like, go to spring break?

01:00:33Guest:That's like going to summer vacation.

01:00:35Guest:We're like, no, spring break happens geographically in Florida.

01:00:38Guest:And then they hired us.

01:00:40Guest:And yeah, it was awesome.

01:00:42Marc:So that's interesting.

01:00:43Marc:So to write for a show like that, you're basically pitching things for the characters to do.

01:00:46Guest:Yeah, exactly.

01:00:47Guest:Like we get in there and he goes, okay, so Mark, give me 10 Bruno things to say to a fashion elitist.

01:00:53Guest:Yeah, exactly.

01:00:54Guest:And, like, you think of questions.

01:00:55Guest:First, well, it's two steps.

01:00:56Guest:You think of the types of people that different characters could interview.

01:00:59Guest:Yeah.

01:01:00Guest:Psychic medium.

01:01:01Guest:A psychic, yeah.

01:01:02Guest:A new wave musician.

01:01:04Guest:Yeah, a hairstylist.

01:01:05Guest:Aesthetician.

01:01:05Guest:And then you book those people, and then once they're booked and you know you have the interview, then you help write the questions, basically.

01:01:13Guest:Oh, wow.

01:01:14Guest:And you try to do it in such a way that it, like, coaxes them into, like, exposing how obnoxious they are.

01:01:18Marc:You had a good time?

01:01:19Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:01:20Guest:Yeah.

01:01:21Guest:I mean, it was my first job, so I was freaking out.

01:01:23Marc:And you wrote the whole season.

01:01:24Guest:Yeah.

01:01:25Guest:Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

01:01:26Guest:We wrote the Bruno.

01:01:28Guest:All the Bruno stuff we worked on.

01:01:29Guest:And then like half of the Ali G stuff.

01:01:30Guest:And half the Ali G. No Borat for me.

01:01:32Guest:No Borat stuff.

01:01:33Guest:Yeah.

01:01:34Marc:So Judd is, so he's, was that the first time he kind of went to bat for you?

01:01:38Marc:Post Undeclared?

01:01:40Guest:No, they had been trying to get Superbad.

01:01:43Guest:He signed on as a producer of Superbad.

01:01:46Guest:And for that whole time, basically... When you were unemployed.

01:01:50Guest:Yeah, was trying to get it made.

01:01:51Guest:And we would have meetings with producers.

01:01:53Guest:Some guy would almost make it.

01:01:54Guest:Some guy would almost get money.

01:01:56Guest:And so he was an advocate of our writing.

01:01:59Guest:And he was helpful.

01:02:00Guest:But at that time, even he wasn't successful enough to just get our movie made.

01:02:04Guest:Right, right.

01:02:06Guest:And people wanted us to tone it down.

01:02:07Guest:Yeah, and people were afraid of the subject.

01:02:09Guest:People would say, I love it, we'll do it, and then they'd take it to the next level.

01:02:11Guest:And they'd want it to be PG-13.

01:02:13Guest:And they'd say, if you do it, PG-13, we'll make it.

01:02:15Guest:So they wanted to make it literally for kids.

01:02:17Guest:Yeah, exactly.

01:02:18Marc:And did you see Franco's Spring Breakers, Harmony Corrine's movie?

01:02:21Guest:I haven't seen it yet.

01:02:21Guest:I hear it's amazing, though.

01:02:23Guest:It's crazy.

01:02:23Guest:Yeah, Franco is super psyched about it.

01:02:25Marc:Yeah, he really went to town on that one.

01:02:27Guest:Yeah, he's like, every time I told him I haven't seen it, he's so mad.

01:02:32Guest:I know, I know.

01:02:32Guest:He's like, I'm amazing in it.

01:02:36Guest:It seems like it's his favorite thing he's ever done.

01:02:39Guest:He's like, it's the best character I've ever played.

01:02:42Marc:He gets in it, man.

01:02:43Marc:And it's weird because it's an earnest character, but just by virtue of his small timeness and his...

01:02:50Guest:you know his uh sort of uh grandiose yeah yeah yeah yeah it's hilarious yeah it's a the clips i've seen are amazing i gotta see it okay so okay so you do the super uh you do uh the bruno thing uh basically um around that time they were finally making anchor man i

01:03:09Guest:want to say yeah or talladega nights one of those two mckay movies yeah judd was the producer on and it was it was then and 40 year old no first we were four year old virgin and and that that came off of like uh talladega or anchorman they like because those movies did well judd got to do four year old virgin

01:03:28Marc:And you started it.

01:03:29Marc:He pulled you in for that.

01:03:31Guest:Yeah, he gave me a good part in 40-Year-Old Virgin, which let me do Knocked Up.

01:03:35Guest:Knocked Up is what you started.

01:03:36Guest:And it was literally around that time that also we got Superbad bought.

01:03:44Guest:And we made Superbad literally right after Knocked Up.

01:03:47Marc:Because you were putting asses in seats.

01:03:49Marc:Yeah.

01:03:49Guest:Or we hadn't yet, honestly.

01:03:51Guest:We were just like he had, Judd had.

01:03:53Guest:We had done shit all.

01:03:55Guest:But Forty Old Virgin did really well, which I helped work on the script of.

01:04:00Guest:And I think people start to see that the dirty sensibility would play.

01:04:06Marc:Right.

01:04:06Marc:But it's dirty in a relatively innocent way.

01:04:10Marc:And he gets a little flack for that, too.

01:04:12Marc:I guess you guys get a little flack for being like, why are you man children?

01:04:15Marc:Can't you get over your dicks?

01:04:17Marc:Yeah, definitely.

01:04:18Guest:No one ever gets over their dick.

01:04:20Guest:Who gets over their dick?

01:04:21Guest:His 90-year-old grandfather's having sword fights still.

01:04:24Guest:Why would you get over your dick?

01:04:27Marc:It's our gift.

01:04:28Marc:It's our God-given gift.

01:04:30Marc:That's what we got.

01:04:32Marc:That whole crew gets a little flack for that, huh?

01:04:34Marc:Yeah, sometimes.

01:04:35Guest:I don't really feel like we're getting a lot of flack beyond the standard flack one would get for even coming slightly into this territory.

01:04:42Guest:It's like the type of flack that if you don't get, it's like the expected.

01:04:45Guest:It's like we're working against something comedically.

01:04:48Guest:It's like by trying to be funny, like inherently you're kind of trying to like be in some way edgy or subversive.

01:04:53Guest:So like without the voice of, without the obvious voice of dissent saying like, oh, they're talking about their dicks all the time.

01:04:59Guest:It almost like invalidates what we do in a way.

01:05:04Guest:fucking thing about what you do or else it doesn't seem cool when the other people think it's funny but I thought Knocked Up was a fairly sensitive emotionally realistic movie yeah I think there's a lot less dick stuff in that one yeah there's a lot of heart to that yeah that one's kind of yeah and then with Superbad I mean you're kids you gotta talk about your dick we're teenagers that's all we fucking talk about Pineapple Express was weed that was weed not dicks weed's the new dick

01:05:30Marc:And then Green Hornet, what happened there?

01:05:32Guest:That's a good question.

01:05:34Guest:We were just talking about it, but we always talk about it and kind of like we fell into the trap.

01:05:40Guest:I'm going to say what happened.

01:05:41Guest:When you start doing well, you inherently gravitate towards the notion, we did anyway, of like doing the biggest thing that you can basically.

01:05:52Guest:You think, what are we working towards in a way?

01:05:55Guest:And then you start to think, well, these superhero movies are popular.

01:05:58Guest:They make all sorts of different ones.

01:05:59Guest:This is kind of like the holy grail of what movies are right now.

01:06:03Guest:This is like the biggest game in town.

01:06:05Guest:Mainstream movie.

01:06:06Guest:Exactly.

01:06:06Guest:So I think we got excited about the prospect of having that opportunity that we did it.

01:06:14Guest:Being completely naive as to exactly how much of what makes us good would be basically stifled and evaporated merely by signing on to do a movie of that budget and of that rating.

01:06:27Guest:Like it's a PG-13 movie.

01:06:29Guest:Right.

01:06:29Guest:Just like most of what makes us funny is not that type of thing.

01:06:32Guest:How did you choose the material?

01:06:34Guest:It was what we, someone, Neil Moritz, it was pitched to us, honestly.

01:06:38Guest:Really, the way it went down is they came in, Neil Moritz and Ori Marmore, who he works with, and they said, do you guys want to make a $70 million action movie?

01:06:46Guest:And we were like, and it's called The Green Hornet.

01:06:47Guest:We were like, yes, very much so.

01:06:50Guest:And then it expanded.

01:06:51Guest:It became almost twice as expensive of that.

01:06:53Guest:It expanded to the $120 million movie or something.

01:06:55Guest:Were you freaking out?

01:06:56Guest:we were freaking out because ultimately when when the train gets that big it can't stop you know like like they'll the studios will figure out a way to make it work it was a dark time though there was it was it was several years worked up in green hornet shit where we were just like it took three years of our lives and we always say we could have made five movies yeah in that time but but you who chose to have you lead

01:07:20Marc:We did.

01:07:21Guest:They gave you that.

01:07:22Guest:You said, we'll do it if so.

01:07:23Guest:Did we agree to that?

01:07:24Guest:We just agreed to write it first.

01:07:25Guest:No, they pitched that, actually.

01:07:26Guest:I think they said, and you would do it.

01:07:29Guest:From the get-go?

01:07:30Guest:I could be wrong.

01:07:31Guest:I don't remember.

01:07:31Marc:But that was never a big conversation.

01:07:33Guest:But were you nervous as an actor that you were going to be a superhero?

01:07:36Guest:not really i mean what's funny is like to me it was just like trying something new like i was excited because it was different honestly so the weight of 120 million dollars it must become a little overbearing at some point it was the hardest while we were making it it was a fucking nightmare almost all the time we shot for like 70 days straight yeah and gondry the director is like wonderful at kind of smaller scale stuff but i think he did not mesh well with

01:08:00Marc:It was his first superhero movie as well.

01:08:01Guest:His first gigantic movie.

01:08:03Guest:I mean, I think it was probably his first movie with more than $20 million budget, and this is $120 million.

01:08:08Marc:He did Eternal Sunshine, right?

01:08:09Guest:Yeah, exactly.

01:08:09Marc:And he did that other one with Jack Black.

01:08:11Marc:Yeah, Be Kind Rewind.

01:08:13Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:14Guest:And so it was like... We had never made an action movie.

01:08:17Guest:He'd never made an action movie.

01:08:18Guest:But what I really...

01:08:20Guest:if there's like one thing I look back on more than anything is like, what is the problem there?

01:08:25Guest:It was just like the budget.

01:08:26Guest:Like we can't, you can't make, we can't make a really edgy, fun movie for our types of people for that amount of money.

01:08:36Guest:Like there's just too much, too much money.

01:08:37Guest:There's just too much skepticism that it draws.

01:08:40Guest:No money, more problems.

01:08:41Guest:The studio wants to, like, you can't take risks.

01:08:44Guest:Like, they wouldn't let us take risks anyway.

01:08:45Guest:And, like, it just makes it very hard to make a movie that's, like, exciting.

01:08:49Marc:But they're taking a risk by spending $120 million on it.

01:08:51Guest:It's true.

01:08:52Guest:And, well, it's so weird what risks they're willing to take, honestly.

01:08:55Guest:Like, the risks.

01:08:57Guest:And that's what's weird about a big action movie.

01:08:58Guest:Like, here's an example.

01:08:59Guest:Like...

01:08:59Guest:The script is under great scrutiny, like the lines, the characters, the dialogue.

01:09:03Guest:You should have a father.

01:09:04Guest:It should be this.

01:09:04Guest:There should be that.

01:09:05Guest:And we're just like, okay, we just want to kind of, you know, get it made and not waste all this time.

01:09:10Guest:And then things like the action sequences, which are really like where all the money's getting spent go under no scrutiny whatsoever.

01:09:17Guest:No one looks at it.

01:09:17Guest:No one looks at the previous.

01:09:18Guest:No one looks at the storyboards.

01:09:20Guest:No one.

01:09:20Guest:No, the studio... Literally, what we spent $50 million on, no one checks out.

01:09:24Guest:And that's what's crazy.

01:09:26Guest:The way the money was spent, and I think it only is spent on a lot of these movies, was crazy when you look back at it.

01:09:33Guest:The things that were spent the most money on were almost under the least amount of scrutiny out of all the stuff in the movie.

01:09:40Guest:But overall, it's just like...

01:09:42Guest:We, you know, we were just saying, literally, like, 20 minutes ago, we were driving here.

01:09:45Guest:It was like, when you look back at the movies we've enjoyed making, it's been Superbad, Pineapple Express, Knocked Up, this one, this is the end.

01:09:51Guest:You know, 50-50 was a lot of fun.

01:09:53Guest:That's a good movie.

01:09:54Guest:Thanks.

01:09:55Guest:And it's the ones where it's like, they leave us alone, we can do whatever we want, we're in charge, our friends are in charge.

01:10:00Guest:And it's in your wheelhouse.

01:10:00Guest:Yeah, and we're free to do whatever the fuck we want.

01:10:03Guest:We never, like, there were so many times on Green Hornet, we'd be like, oh, you know, it'd be funny if this happens, and be like, well, we can't do that.

01:10:09Guest:because it's r-rated yeah we just always pictured the moment where he just his character in greenhorned said kato you know what fuck you yeah like suck my dick kato like that's what you want and you can't do that and like that's what we realized like oh like i think we hoped like we could be the guys that made like the edgy pg-13 movie but but we just couldn't really do it and what and what what happened when uh when you released it

01:10:31Guest:It did, you know, it honestly... It did better than any movie we've ever made.

01:10:35Guest:My biggest opening weekend I've ever had, it opened pretty well.

01:10:39Guest:It was one of the biggest... They gave us a really shitty release date, and it actually did better on that release date than I think any movie ever had.

01:10:46Guest:I think in the end, they made money.

01:10:49Guest:Internationally, it made... Altogether, it made $240 million or something like that.

01:10:54Guest:It made exponentially more than any of our other movies.

01:10:56Guest:But we were definitely disappointed with the American release.

01:10:58Guest:Yeah, definitely.

01:10:59Guest:Like...

01:11:00Guest:And it just made like 90 million in North America.

01:11:03Marc:You were disappointed or they were?

01:11:04Guest:We all were.

01:11:05Guest:Yeah.

01:11:05Guest:Cause I think, I mean, it was an expensive movie.

01:11:08Marc:Did they hang you out to dry?

01:11:09Marc:They throw you under the bus?

01:11:10Guest:No at all.

01:11:10Guest:It was really like, never before have we been like in it with the studio.

01:11:14Guest:Yeah.

01:11:15Guest:Like we were in the trenches with the executives.

01:11:17Guest:They would come in and help.

01:11:18Guest:And like, usually they're breathing down your neck in a bad way.

01:11:21Guest:And this way it was different.

01:11:22Guest:It was like, help us come.

01:11:24Guest:It was hard to figure out what to fix also.

01:11:26Guest:Cause it was our highest testing movie ever.

01:11:30Guest:Like significantly higher than Superbad.

01:11:32Guest:Yeah, like it tested 95 twice in a row at test screenings out of 100.

01:11:38Guest:Like 50-50 tested like 91.

01:11:40Guest:Superbad tested like 88.

01:11:41Guest:Like for us, like the best comedies tested like lower than that.

01:11:45Guest:So when you're given that, it's also hard to figure out what to do because you're like, these regular people really seem to like it and respond to it, which was weird.

01:11:55Guest:And it kind of hurt us because we actually had ways we thought we could fix it as the movie went on, like with reshoots and stuff like that.

01:12:03Guest:But when your movie's testing that well, it's hard to justify them putting more money into it.

01:12:08Marc:So they were happy.

01:12:08Guest:They were kind of happy.

01:12:10Guest:It was weird.

01:12:10Guest:It was kind of a disaster, but at the same time, it was testing really well.

01:12:14Marc:And so it was a very weird... So the feeling wasn't like, well, we're fucked.

01:12:18Marc:It was more like... Yeah, it was.

01:12:20Guest:It was kind of like, I don't know.

01:12:21Guest:Like, what's happening here?

01:12:22Guest:And then it got really shitty reviews.

01:12:24Guest:So then you're like, what do you take from all that?

01:12:26Guest:Right.

01:12:26Guest:What did you take from all that?

01:12:28Guest:And never make an expensive movie again.

01:12:30Guest:That's what we took from it.

01:12:31Guest:Never fucking do that.

01:12:32Guest:This one looks pretty expensive.

01:12:34Guest:$31 million.

01:12:36Marc:This is the end?

01:12:36Marc:It's $31 million?

01:12:37Guest:Yeah.

01:12:37Guest:And that makes it like that.

01:12:40Guest:They're like great.

01:12:41Guest:Yeah, exactly.

01:12:42Guest:If you're under like 40 or 50, then you can do whatever.

01:12:44Guest:Yeah, we asked for 45 and they said no.

01:12:47Guest:And then we said, what number will you just let us do whatever we want to do?

01:12:50Guest:And they said, 31.

01:12:51Guest:We said, okay, we'll make that work.

01:12:53Marc:And did most of the guys work for lower than they would generally?

01:12:56Marc:Yeah, definitely.

01:12:57Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:58Guest:Yeah.

01:12:58Guest:I think just all the guys' salaries normally would be $31 million.

01:13:02Guest:Next time we need one of their help, they're going to say, hey, I took a big cut last time.

01:13:06Guest:This time hook me up.

01:13:08Marc:But it looks like there's some serious effects in there.

01:13:10Guest:Yeah, we like, you know, as movie fans, like we just kind of process-wise, like, you know, we're always on the lookout for movies that kind of made a lot with a little.

01:13:20Guest:And it was movies like Cloverfield, when that came out, we were like, oh, and like District 9.

01:13:25Guest:Chronicle.

01:13:26Guest:And like Chronicle.

01:13:27Guest:It was movies like that where you're like, oh, with very little money now, you can actually like sell a very epic scale if you're just...

01:13:34Guest:smart about picking your moments and like what you show and how you do it district nine is as epic as anything could be that's that weird one that was that south african yeah yeah yeah that was a fucking trippy movie yeah that guy's an amazing filmmaker that was the one where they they had the aliens in the camps yeah exactly like a little like uh it was crazy it was super crazy but that movie had like probably the same budget we had maybe a little bit more but it was movies like that were like oh you there's ways to do it now if you're smart about it

01:13:59Marc:Right.

01:14:00Marc:And the whole idea from beginning to when you first started thinking about doing it was to put your friends as themselves, Hollywood guys who live a sort of sheltered and wonderful life, you know, in this situation to show their humanity, which would be the humor of the thing.

01:14:17Guest:not their humanity, I mean... But who they are.

01:14:20Guest:Yeah, I mean, no, if anything, like, it's the worst comes out in everybody and we all turn on each other.

01:14:24Guest:Yeah, exactly.

01:14:25Guest:Yeah, the movie does not end with six guys being good friends and getting along.

01:14:29Marc:But you break the sort of celebrity... Very much so.

01:14:32Guest:But that's not the point of it at all.

01:14:34Guest:No, but that's the comedy of it.

01:14:36Guest:Yeah, I think that's part of the comedy of it.

01:14:37Guest:Sometimes we break it, sometimes we reinforce it.

01:14:39Guest:Reinforce it.

01:14:40Guest:Some of the guys... Like, Jonah's character's nothing like Jonah.

01:14:42Guest:Franco's reinforcing his stereotypes, you know.

01:14:45Guest:But overall, I mean, it was more...

01:14:47Guest:It was more just like an interesting backdrop, we thought.

01:14:50Guest:Like, it kind of gave an interesting color to it.

01:14:52Guest:Like, we could have made the movie without it like that.

01:14:55Guest:And, like, structurally, it would almost, it could exist in the exact same way.

01:14:58Marc:But I think the play on, like, it's just interesting because it almost, it becomes a satire of show business in a way.

01:15:06Guest:Definitely.

01:15:06Guest:Yeah.

01:15:06Guest:And, like, the excess of it and how self-important.

01:15:10Guest:I mean, what the movie ultimately becomes about is, like, are you a good person or a bad person?

01:15:14Guest:Right.

01:15:14Guest:That's kind of what they're all forced to deal with once they realize that, like, the apocalypse is happening.

01:15:20Guest:Right.

01:15:20Guest:And also, like, why are they the people who have kind of been laid to waste on Earth, basically, on kind of a larger sense?

01:15:26Guest:And so, yeah, I mean, it does play a lot with, like...

01:15:30Guest:what a stupid job acting is and how easy it is and how much we're rewarded for doing like essentially like pretending to fucking be other people, which is so easy.

01:15:39Guest:Like, uh, I mean, yeah, we definitely make fun of that.

01:15:41Marc:Do you ever, do you ever feel like you're fully pretending to be somebody else?

01:15:45Guest:No.

01:15:46Guest:Sometimes I feel like I'm doing a good job acting like I'm pretending to be someone else.

01:15:52Guest:There's no moment where I'm, like, literally, like, have the thoughts of another... It's always, for me, like, a performance.

01:15:57Marc:I think it's very interesting how you and...

01:16:01Marc:Primarily you and Jonah, I mean, sort of have figured out some new, you know, delivery system to this sort of comedic persona.

01:16:09Marc:You know, like you guys are very, you know, you're very consistently funny, but it's not like a kind of sticky funny that we've seen before.

01:16:16Marc:I don't know how you did it.

01:16:17Marc:I like to think it's a Jewish thing in my mind.

01:16:19Guest:I think it is.

01:16:20Marc:You figured out a new way to, because like all the Jews.

01:16:23Marc:Danny McBride and Franco are half Jewish.

01:16:25Guest:So is Jay Baruchel.

01:16:26Guest:So that just means Craig doesn't make sense.

01:16:28Guest:Exactly.

01:16:28Marc:But McBride's like, you know, that guy's like sort of effortlessly.

01:16:33Marc:You're all sort of gifted in your own way, but I had him in here, and he's one of those guys you just kind of, you're just waiting to laugh.

01:16:39Marc:You're just looking at him going, when's it going to happen?

01:16:42Guest:When's he going to say something?

01:16:43Guest:His voice.

01:16:44Guest:On the set, he was like the magic man.

01:16:46Guest:Was he?

01:16:47Guest:When he started doing shit, people couldn't keep their magic going.

01:16:49Guest:Yeah, it was amazing.

01:16:50Guest:It's effortless, and there's something bizarre about it.

01:16:54Guest:He's just un-fucking-believable.

01:16:55Guest:yeah yeah he's one of those guys that just it's like amazing like some of the funniest shit like he just says like and he improvises it and you like you get to use it like it's on you feel so lucky it's like someone just giving you these gifts what I like more than when he improvises which I'm so used to is sometimes he prepares it yeah he like he works out sticks the day before like he works out like three killer jokes but he's one of those guys who does how he says stuff whenever he said Jonah he's always like yelling at Jonah in the movie just how he said it Jonah

01:17:23Guest:Jonah.

01:17:25Guest:At one point he just said, bring them unto me.

01:17:27Guest:Bring them unto me, Jonah.

01:17:30Guest:You sassy little bitch.

01:17:32Guest:He just twists language in a weird way.

01:17:34Marc:I'm trying to figure out how the... With Judd as well, how the comedy...

01:17:40Marc:Has changed because comedy is tricky and there's not a lot of comedies made really that are really good.

01:17:45Marc:I mean, when you guys approach a movie, I mean, because you're not I mean, you're writing jokes, but they just feel different.

01:17:52Marc:Like, it just seems like there was a time where comedy was all Alan Alda and Woody Allen and then Eddie Murphy's and then like really broad comedy.

01:17:59Marc:But you guys seem to be grounded in some sort of weird groove.

01:18:03Marc:I can't quite figure it out.

01:18:05Marc:Can you?

01:18:05Guest:I don't know.

01:18:07Guest:I'm trying to right now.

01:18:08Guest:I know.

01:18:08Guest:Sometimes I watch it even.

01:18:09Guest:I'm like, why is that funny?

01:18:10Guest:It just, I think it's the character.

01:18:12Guest:Like, I think it's because we try to make, like, I think it's because it's based in some emotional reality.

01:18:18Guest:Right, right, right.

01:18:19Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:18:20Guest:It's not all joke driven.

01:18:21Guest:It's like what they're saying isn't funny.

01:18:23Guest:It's the way they're interacting with each other is funny.

01:18:25Guest:It's the fact that they're so mad about that thing.

01:18:28Guest:That's what's funny.

01:18:28Guest:It's not the way they're articulating it.

01:18:31Marc:How come Siegel wasn't involved?

01:18:32Guest:He's in it a little bit.

01:18:33Guest:Oh, he is?

01:18:34Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:18:34Marc:Are you guys friends?

01:18:35Marc:yeah yeah yeah he's a funny guy he's super fucking funny yeah he's a great guy he's hysterical he's unbelievable i don't know how there's so many of you guys are funny i think i think jonah's gonna come in i haven't been like he i think he was nervous to do it for a while i don't know why he doesn't realize how sweet you are

01:18:54Guest:Is that it?

01:18:54Guest:He was, too, about Howard Stern.

01:18:56Guest:I was like, just go on.

01:18:57Guest:He'll be so nice to you.

01:18:58Guest:You don't get it.

01:18:59Guest:Him, was he?

01:19:00Guest:Yeah, he was so nice.

01:19:02Guest:They're just Jewish guys.

01:19:03Guest:They're not going to fight you.

01:19:04Guest:Want to be a fucking asshole to you?

01:19:05Guest:You definitely have a Howard Stern rep as someone who might get you to say something that you don't want to say.

01:19:11Marc:But I don't seek it.

01:19:13Marc:I don't seek controversy.

01:19:14Guest:I know, but it happens.

01:19:15Marc:It happens sometimes.

01:19:17Marc:But I was nervous to go on Howard.

01:19:18Marc:I went on Howard the first time a few weeks ago.

01:19:20Marc:You get nervous.

01:19:21Marc:Well, yeah, because I'm like, what did he find?

01:19:22Marc:Yeah, exactly.

01:19:23Guest:If there's some fucking thing he's going to pull out.

01:19:25Guest:Right.

01:19:26Marc:But then, like, literally, I talked about it on the show before.

01:19:28Marc:I'm like, I'm waiting to go on.

01:19:29Marc:And I'm like, I'm pretty transparent with, you know, I talk about my shit all the time.

01:19:33Marc:And I'm waiting to go on his show, and I see the monitor like he's on a break.

01:19:36Marc:Yeah.

01:19:37Marc:And he's not wearing his sunglasses, so I lucked out because of that because I could see his eyes.

01:19:41Guest:You are seated in a weird way where you kind of can't really see him that well on the show.

01:19:45Guest:Well, you went on.

01:19:45Guest:You've been on before.

01:19:46Guest:Yeah, I went on a few times.

01:19:47Marc:And they just put the earphone.

01:19:48Marc:He's talking to you before you even sit down.

01:19:49Guest:Yeah, it's bizarre.

01:19:50Marc:Yeah, but like I'm watching the monitor in the room and he's just sitting there eating candle open.

01:19:53Marc:I'm like, it's just an old Jew eating melon.

01:19:55Guest:Just a nice guy eating some melon.

01:19:57Guest:Yeah, right.

01:19:57Marc:And I'm like, he's just eating melon.

01:20:00Guest:He was demystified right then.

01:20:02Guest:It was.

01:20:03Marc:And then he came at me like, so you're sort of a jealous dick, right?

01:20:07Marc:That's it?

01:20:07Marc:That's what you got?

01:20:09Guest:Yeah, exactly.

01:20:10Guest:We've established that.

01:20:12Marc:That's my whole thing.

01:20:16Marc:That's easy.

01:20:17Marc:So I guess we got to talk about, you're in the food business as well?

01:20:23Guest:I'm getting out.

01:20:24Guest:He sold it.

01:20:25Guest:I'm selling it.

01:20:26Guest:Wait, now, when did you get, you have a poutine truck?

01:20:29Guest:I had a poutine food truck.

01:20:31Guest:Was this a business venture?

01:20:32Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:20:33Guest:I just thought that people in America would really like that food, and I realized a food truck isn't a huge investment.

01:20:39Guest:So me and my friend Tom gave it a shot, and it was working pretty well, but I

01:20:43Guest:Kind of think I have to concentrate on the movie stuff at this juncture.

01:20:48Guest:And then she had a child and we're getting out of the poutine game.

01:20:51Marc:But did you sell?

01:20:51Marc:Were you able to sell?

01:20:53Guest:We're trying to make a deal with a guy right now.

01:20:55Guest:We're just selling it.

01:20:56Guest:Where do you get your cheese curd in America?

01:20:57Guest:Wisconsin.

01:20:58Guest:They send them in frozen or what?

01:21:00Guest:Yeah, you can't really ship cheese curds from Canada that easily.

01:21:03Guest:Right.

01:21:03Guest:You get a big frozen bag.

01:21:04Guest:There's an embargo, I believe.

01:21:06Guest:The great cheese embargo of 1998.

01:21:09Marc:So you get frozen cheese curd from Wisconsin.

01:21:11Guest:Then some nice hot fries.

01:21:12Guest:Yeah.

01:21:12Guest:Deeply fried.

01:21:13Guest:It was good poutine.

01:21:14Guest:Yeah.

01:21:15Guest:It was really good poutine.

01:21:16Guest:I liked him opening the food truck.

01:21:19Guest:Did you make the gravy?

01:21:20Guest:Yeah.

01:21:20Guest:Yeah, yeah, we had like four different gravies.

01:21:22Guest:We bastardized it for America, so we made one called like the All-American, and we used white sausage gravy.

01:21:26Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:21:27Guest:We used taters tots instead of fries.

01:21:29Marc:Wow.

01:21:29Guest:Now that I'm getting out of the game, people should start using tater tots.

01:21:33Guest:Yeah.

01:21:33Guest:They hold the shit better.

01:21:34Guest:Fresh tater tots.

01:21:35Guest:Did you use fresh fries?

01:21:36Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:37Guest:Don't you dare imply I didn't use the freshest fries.

01:21:41Marc:Double fried.

01:21:42Marc:No, because I eat poutine in Montreal.

01:21:44Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:21:45Marc:There's a place that sells all different kinds.

01:21:47Marc:You know that place that's over by the bagel place?

01:21:49Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:21:49Guest:I can't remember the name, but I just went there.

01:21:51Guest:Yeah, so I go up until like 2 or 3 in the morning.

01:21:54Marc:Yeah, I think you're close.

01:21:55Guest:I am close.

01:21:56Guest:Bonk.

01:21:57Guest:yeah yeah yeah i'm probably saying some extremely offensive word yeah but they got all the different kinds you get with sausage and peppers and i always like the plain straight up just straight up straight up that's what you grew up eating when you were drunk they don't have much in vancouver well they do now it was in college but when we were kids they didn't have it in vancouver i went to university montreal though and it was just every night right yeah i like it it's good shit yeah it's good shit i don't know if it ever really took off here though

01:22:23Guest:It's starting to right now.

01:22:25Guest:Like a lot of stores sell it, animals.

01:22:27Marc:Maybe you should buy another truck instead of get rid of the truck.

01:22:29Guest:We discussed a sex toy truck, just converting it to that.

01:22:32Guest:A sex toy truck?

01:22:33Guest:Do bachelorette parties.

01:22:34Guest:It doesn't rot, sex toys.

01:22:36Guest:Yeah, I know.

01:22:37Guest:That's the good thing about it.

01:22:39Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:39Marc:But it's also not something everyone can enjoy.

01:22:41Marc:Bachelorette parties.

01:22:43Marc:All right, all right.

01:22:44Marc:Yeah, give them their dick hats.

01:22:46Guest:We've got plenty of dick hats.

01:22:48Guest:Who needs a dick hat?

01:22:49Guest:Everyone's having a bachelor party somewhere.

01:22:51Marc:Yeah.

01:22:51Guest:Yeah.

01:22:52Marc:And they're all going to comedy clubs, ruining shows.

01:22:54Guest:It's true.

01:22:58Marc:Well, thanks for talking, fellas.

01:22:59Marc:Best of luck with the movie.

01:23:00Marc:Thank you so much, man.

01:23:01Guest:I really appreciate it.

01:23:02Marc:Yep.

01:23:03Marc:Have a good one.

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01:23:14Marc:It was just a freewheeling conversation.

01:23:16Marc:Nothing too deep, too dark.

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01:23:26Marc:Tonight is Monday.

01:23:27Marc:Tomorrow night I will be in Washington, D.C.

01:23:28Marc:doing a book event at 6 and I at the synagogue.

01:23:31Marc:Hello!

01:23:33Marc:But it's a performance space.

01:23:35Marc:And then on Wednesday...

01:23:37Marc:What's that?

01:23:38Marc:The 12th, I'll be... Where am I going to be?

01:23:41Marc:I'm going to be at the Barnes & Noble in Union Square in New York.

01:23:43Marc:And on the 13th, I'll be at the Summer Reading Series in Bryant Park in New York.

01:23:48Marc:And on the... Where does that put us?

01:23:50Marc:The 14th, I will be, I believe... Yeah, I think so.

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01:24:11Marc:I sounded pretty good, though.

01:24:14Marc:Restrung the guitar yesterday, so they're not... They're staying in tune.

01:24:19Marc:Should be all right.

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