Episode 376 - Dean Delray

Episode 376 • Released April 7, 2013 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Marc:are we doing this really wait for it are we doing this wait for it pow what the fuck and it's also what the fuck what's wrong with me it's time for wtf what the fuck with mark marron

00:00:24Marc:Alright, let's do this.

00:00:25Marc:How are you, what the fuckers?

00:00:26Marc:What the fuck buddies?

00:00:27Marc:What the fuckineers?

00:00:28Marc:What the fuckanots?

00:00:30Marc:What the fuck buddies?

00:00:32Marc:Alright, did I already say that?

00:00:33Marc:What difference does it make?

00:00:35Marc:I am Mark Maron.

00:00:35Marc:This is WTF.

00:00:37Marc:I'm just back from Indiana.

00:00:39Marc:Had some great shows at Crackers in Broad Ripple in Indianapolis.

00:00:43Marc:Thank you for coming out.

00:00:44Marc:I enjoyed it immensely.

00:00:46Marc:Got a lot of work done.

00:00:47Marc:Moving towards that hour plus special in two weeks in New York.

00:00:51Marc:I just found out...

00:00:52Marc:By the way, how are you?

00:00:54Marc:Just found out that I think I might be doing like a secret show kind of thing in New York on the 14th.

00:01:02Marc:I will let you know.

00:01:03Marc:You all will be the first to know if I am doing a secret show on the 14th to burn through an hour and a half or so, get things in order, get my shit straight.

00:01:15Marc:those of you who are in san francisco on the 13th i will be in san francisco at the palace of fine arts might be some tickets left don't know for sure but that's what's going on today on the show dean del rey i got a story for you about dean del rey about how this came to be and i was a dick surprise i was a dick who is dean del rey you ask

00:01:39Marc:He's a comic, but he's a character.

00:01:41Marc:And I will tell you this.

00:01:43Marc:I started getting emails from Dean Del Rey around March 2011 was when the first the first emails came.

00:01:56Marc:from Dean Del Rey.

00:01:57Marc:The first one was basically, we met tonight at the Comedy Store.

00:02:01Marc:I was the one who spoke to you about being on your podcast as a comic who was only one year in the game.

00:02:07Marc:I started December 6, 2008, and I've done 298 shows for the year.

00:02:12Marc:Before comedy, I played music for 21 years, had two CDs out on Interscope, and toured the world.

00:02:19Marc:All of my life, I knew I wanted to do stand-up comedy, but I just never really knew what to do.

00:02:24Marc:Then last year, at 44 years old, I did a film with Ice Cube called The Long Shots, and in that film was Garrett Morris and Earthquake.

00:02:33Marc:After talking to them for six weeks in between takes, I finally decided to give up everything and go for it.

00:02:40Marc:So here I am in my midlife doing stand-up comedy in Hollywood.

00:02:45Marc:Would love to come on your podcast.

00:02:46Marc:Also, I toured for four years with the Rolling Stones as their VIP DJ.

00:02:50Marc:I DJed all their parties for the VIPs at their shows.

00:02:54Marc:Hope to hear from you.

00:02:56Marc:If not, all good.

00:02:56Marc:I love your podcast.

00:02:57Marc:They've taught me a lot about comedy more than any book or coach or video ever could.

00:03:01Marc:Thanks, man.

00:03:02Marc:Happy New Year.

00:03:02Marc:Dean Del Rey.

00:03:03Marc:2011, this guy sent me this email.

00:03:07Marc:Wow, I am a dick.

00:03:08Marc:That was on that was on January 1st, 2011.

00:03:11Marc:I met him in New Year's.

00:03:12Marc:So he'll tell you how I responded and what went on since then, because obviously it's what is it?

00:03:18Marc:Three years later, three and a half years later.

00:03:21Marc:I was kind of a dick, but I had to get to know Dean.

00:03:24Marc:Dean is a character.

00:03:25Marc:He is a character, and he's ever-present, man.

00:03:28Marc:He's at the Laugh Factory.

00:03:29Marc:If you go to the Laugh Factory, he's at the Comedy Store.

00:03:32Marc:You go to the Comedy Store.

00:03:33Marc:He's at the Improv.

00:03:33Marc:You go to the Improv.

00:03:34Marc:He's at your house.

00:03:35Marc:If you go to your house, he's always, you know, kind of, you know,

00:03:40Marc:stuffed into his leather jacket and his hair always looks like he just pulled the helmet off because generally he has but he's a character man and it took you know my my buddy Kevin Christie he's got an episode coming up sort of told me I should talk to Dean a little more in depth and it's going to be a fun ride you're going to enjoy this episode

00:04:02Marc:Oh yeah.

00:04:03Marc:And you go pre-order my book.

00:04:04Marc:Would you, if you want to read it, it'll help me enter the world on the release date in a, in a beneficial fashion.

00:04:12Marc:You can go to WTF pod.com and get the link there to order it from your favorite bookseller.

00:04:17Marc:I'm excited about it.

00:04:18Marc:People are digging it.

00:04:19Marc:The people that have read it and I'll keep you updated on other stuff.

00:04:22Marc:The secret show got the gig in San Francisco.

00:04:24Marc:I'm going to Milwaukee.

00:04:26Marc:I'm going to Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

00:04:29Marc:You can check the calendar at WTF.

00:04:31Marc:Look, I'm not going to stall anymore.

00:04:32Marc:Let's engage with the very excitable Dean Del Rey.

00:04:45Marc:Yeah, I started seeing you around at the comedy store, at the Laugh Factory, everywhere at the improv restaurants.

00:04:51Marc:It would just be like, hey, here's that guy, Dean, the guy with the black leather jacket again.

00:04:56Marc:And then you emailed me.

00:04:57Marc:You said, hey, how about getting a guy on there who's just starting out?

00:05:01Marc:Where's that interview?

00:05:02Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:05:03Guest:I still have it in my phone.

00:05:05Marc:Yeah, and I just ignored you, I think, didn't I?

00:05:07Guest:Well, first I met you at the store in the main room.

00:05:11Marc:Right.

00:05:11Guest:And I said, hey, it'd be kind of a good idea.

00:05:14Guest:And you're like, yeah, maybe email me.

00:05:16Guest:Yeah.

00:05:17Guest:And then I emailed you a couple times.

00:05:19Guest:I didn't hear from you.

00:05:19Guest:Then New York Times did a write-up on your podcast.

00:05:22Guest:I go, it ain't happening, but I'm still going to try.

00:05:24Guest:Yeah.

00:05:25Marc:I got back to you, didn't I?

00:05:26Guest:No, you did.

00:05:27Guest:And it's the greatest email.

00:05:28Guest:I remember I was on the patio at the store, and I was staring there.

00:05:31Guest:I got to go, ooh, Maren wrote me back.

00:05:33Guest:And I looked and said...

00:05:34Guest:Oh, I got it right here.

00:05:36Guest:You got it?

00:05:36Guest:Yeah, it's so great.

00:05:38Guest:Oh, here it is right here.

00:05:39Guest:Oh, you're going to love it.

00:05:40Guest:Am I going to love it?

00:05:41Guest:Well, it's classic Marin, so I kept it because I didn't take it personal at all.

00:05:48Guest:Oh, no.

00:05:48Guest:I actually liked it because I thought it was... You thought it was... I thought it was great because it was you.

00:05:54Marc:Good representation to me.

00:05:55Guest:I actually heard your voice when I read it.

00:05:58Guest:So I write...

00:06:00Guest:my exact words it's dean just touching base about your podcast i still think it'd be cool to have a new comic on uh i'm now in my 14th month and i've done 365 shows under my belt just throwing it out and that's after the third email you finally answer and you say uh dude it's not gonna happen thanks for being persistent but you can stop now marin ah

00:06:27Guest:And I swear to God, I loved it.

00:06:29Guest:I showed it to, like, Ian Edwards.

00:06:31Guest:I was like, look at this.

00:06:32Guest:What did Ian say?

00:06:33Guest:But he was like, yeah, sir.

00:06:37Guest:You know, like, because, you know, it was ballsy to do it.

00:06:42Marc:But I was... I'm surprised I was so curt with you.

00:06:45Marc:I think, like...

00:06:46Marc:A lot of times I respond to emails in not the right frame of mind.

00:06:50Marc:I don't know if I really had a place for you in my mind, and I don't know if I'd seen you do comedy yet, but you were just this dude.

00:06:58Marc:I'm not sure why.

00:06:58Marc:I don't think it was personal.

00:07:01Marc:I think it was just that I didn't know if I saw a story.

00:07:03Marc:so much in the new comic angle.

00:07:06Marc:But now you turn out, as I've gotten to see you around and talk to other people, that you've had quite a life and you're kind of an oddball.

00:07:13Marc:So I want you to know that you're not here because you're a new comic, you're here because you're a dude that is an interesting guy.

00:07:21Guest:Well, that's cool, too, because I mean, you know, I feel like I'm one of those guys that have flown right under the radar for years, but I've been everywhere.

00:07:31Guest:Some guys call me like Forrest Gump.

00:07:32Guest:Yeah.

00:07:33Guest:Like I've done all kinds of shit.

00:07:34Guest:Well, you grew up in the Bay Area?

00:07:36Guest:I grew up in the Bay Area.

00:07:37Guest:Where?

00:07:38Guest:Well, Marin and Sonoma County, but mostly San Fran, like 90% of my life, San Fran in the Richmond district.

00:07:45Guest:As a kid?

00:07:46Guest:As a kid, yeah.

00:07:46Guest:Your folks were there?

00:07:47Guest:Yep.

00:07:48Guest:And then I was born in Yosemite.

00:07:50Guest:Really?

00:07:51Guest:In the park?

00:07:51Guest:Yeah, I lived in Yosemite.

00:07:53Guest:Under a geyser.

00:07:54Guest:Yeah.

00:07:55Guest:Everybody always says stuff like, hey, Bigfoot or whatever.

00:07:59Guest:But my dad was there.

00:08:00Guest:He was kind of like a...

00:08:02Guest:He was kind of like a volunteer ranger, but he also did all the food supplies for the restaurant.

00:08:08Guest:My mom worked at the Iwani.

00:08:09Guest:She was like a hippie.

00:08:11Marc:So you grew up with classic Bay Area natural hippies.

00:08:15Guest:My mom was a hippie.

00:08:16Guest:My dad was a fucking Texas redneck, man.

00:08:20Guest:It was weird.

00:08:20Marc:But an outdoor redneck.

00:08:21Guest:That's right.

00:08:22Guest:He loved Yosemite and he moved from Texas.

00:08:26Marc:So he didn't activate his hate in public.

00:08:29Marc:He just went out and kept it to himself and took in the outdoors.

00:08:33Guest:I think he just got away from people because he lived in Texas.

00:08:36Guest:Right.

00:08:37Guest:And he was like, I'm going out to the mountains.

00:08:39Guest:Yeah.

00:08:39Guest:And I lived there for a long time.

00:08:42Guest:In Yosemite.

00:08:42Guest:That's right.

00:08:43Guest:So in the park?

00:08:44Guest:In the park, man.

00:08:46Guest:Right by the Iwani Hotel.

00:08:47Marc:And that's the one right next to the geyser, right?

00:08:51Marc:That's the big one, the shining kind of.

00:08:53Marc:Right, by the Old Faithfuls, like a walk from there.

00:08:55Guest:Not a geys, a waterfall.

00:08:56Guest:Yeah, that's right.

00:08:57Guest:You have the Yosemite Falls there.

00:09:00Guest:Oh, right, right, right.

00:09:01Guest:It costs like 500 bucks a night to stay there.

00:09:04Marc:It's pretty trippy up there.

00:09:05Marc:I haven't been up there since I was a kid, but there's all sorts of bubbling things and ooze coming out of the ground here and there, right?

00:09:10Guest:Yeah.

00:09:11Marc:It's just like weirdness, just holes with steam coming out of them.

00:09:13Guest:The main thing is you have the glaciers cut through there and hit that half dome, which is probably one of the most spectacular pieces of scenery.

00:09:22Guest:Oh, man.

00:09:23Marc:How come I can't remember?

00:09:24Guest:What's it called?

00:09:24Guest:Half dome.

00:09:25Guest:It's just a sliced piece of rock.

00:09:28Guest:Yeah.

00:09:28Guest:and it's but it's huge yeah yeah i mean guys climb that fucker yeah like they'd get stuck up there my dad would have to go up there in a helicopter and try to get these assholes no joke they're like like just weekend weed smoking hippies hanging off a cliff yeah they're fucking up there man that happened like every week

00:09:48Marc:That is a horrible feeling, too, because going up is never as hard as going down.

00:09:52Marc:You don't quite think about coming down when you're going up.

00:09:54Guest:Oh, I think that people just don't understand the magnitude of that mountain.

00:09:58Guest:Yeah.

00:09:58Guest:And they don't respect it.

00:10:00Guest:Yeah.

00:10:00Guest:And they get up there like, this is easy.

00:10:02Guest:I climbed some mountains and, you know, wherever.

00:10:04Guest:I did the climbing wall at my gym.

00:10:06Marc:Yeah.

00:10:07Guest:They fucking get there, and it's like, dude, what are you doing?

00:10:10Guest:That is death.

00:10:11Guest:And if you're not going to die there, the bears are going to eat your ass.

00:10:14Guest:Was there a lot of bears?

00:10:15Guest:There's bears everywhere, and they rip open cars and shit.

00:10:18Guest:Really?

00:10:18Guest:Yeah, a lot of people eat food in their rides.

00:10:21Guest:They got signs everywhere, man.

00:10:23Guest:Did you grow up with bears then?

00:10:25Guest:I grew up with bears.

00:10:26Guest:And then in this winter, I played hockey every day.

00:10:30Guest:That's what I did.

00:10:31Guest:My dad ran the ice rink at night.

00:10:33Guest:Yeah.

00:10:33Guest:An outdoor ice rink.

00:10:34Marc:Right.

00:10:34Marc:How many people lived up there?

00:10:35Marc:A bunch of other hippie kids?

00:10:36Guest:You know, I was 13.

00:10:37Guest:number 13 the kid that was born there and i went to school there you were there's an actual count of people who were born in yosemite well back then i don't even know what it is now i'm sure it happens all the time maybe maybe maybe not how many there was not many people living there yeah there's maybe like 50 what year was this 66 i was born my parents lived my brother's age yeah oh yeah so my parents moved there in 64 ish

00:11:02Guest:Oh, wow.

00:11:02Guest:My mom went to Chico State, and then she headed up there and started working.

00:11:07Guest:Just as a hippie food person.

00:11:08Guest:Yeah, she was just working at the Iwani.

00:11:11Guest:I think it was working the counter.

00:11:13Marc:And she met your old man up there?

00:11:14Marc:Yeah.

00:11:15Marc:He was a ranger from Texas?

00:11:17Guest:He wasn't like a ranger.

00:11:18Guest:He was a volunteer guy that would do the ranger stuff because they didn't have a lot of rangers.

00:11:23Guest:They had like two.

00:11:24Guest:So they'd wake him up like, hey, help us.

00:11:26Guest:We got shit.

00:11:26Guest:He did the stuff where the supplies would come into Yosemite and he would deliver them during the day.

00:11:31Marc:And my grandma lived there too.

00:11:32Marc:Which grandma?

00:11:33Marc:Your mom's mom?

00:11:34Guest:My dad's mom.

00:11:35Guest:He brought her with him.

00:11:36Guest:Yeah.

00:11:37Guest:And she worked at the store there, the country store.

00:11:40Guest:So you guys were fixtures up there.

00:11:42Guest:Oh, yeah, man.

00:11:42Guest:Yeah.

00:11:43Guest:I was there every summer for until I turned around 15 and started doing like partying.

00:11:48Guest:Yeah.

00:11:48Guest:I never went back.

00:11:49Guest:And about three years ago, I went back and I fucking fell in love with it, man.

00:11:53Guest:Are they still there?

00:11:53Guest:Anybody?

00:11:54Guest:No, no, no.

00:11:55Guest:The parents divorced when I was two.

00:11:57Guest:My mom left and my dad stayed.

00:11:59Guest:So I'd spend my summers there.

00:12:00Marc:And your mom went to San Francisco?

00:12:02Guest:My mom went to Sanford.

00:12:03Guest:She went to the first.

00:12:04Guest:She went to Walnut Creek.

00:12:06Guest:That's the worst.

00:12:07Marc:I know.

00:12:07Marc:That's where her dad lived.

00:12:08Marc:There used to be a punchline there.

00:12:10Guest:That's right.

00:12:10Guest:You're right.

00:12:11Guest:Yeah, they did.

00:12:11Guest:They had a punchline.

00:12:12Marc:I used to do that place.

00:12:13Guest:The only thing they had was that Catholic school, De La Salle, that won every high school football game for like 10 years.

00:12:19Guest:I'm not a sports guy, but that's what their claim to fame is.

00:12:23Marc:All right, so you're running around the Bay Area, but you grew up... But wait, tell me about bears.

00:12:27Marc:What other animals?

00:12:28Marc:I mean, was there like events?

00:12:29Marc:Were there bear events?

00:12:31Guest:No, there's no bear events, but here's what happened.

00:12:34Guest:The hippies would come up in their Volkswagen buses that had those ragtops.

00:12:40Guest:Remember those things?

00:12:40Guest:They'd pop up.

00:12:41Guest:Yeah, they'd pop up, and they'd leave food in there, and then the bears, this is no joke, man, they could smell food like miles.

00:12:50Guest:They'd just come over while the hippies were hiking and just rip the shit out of their ride.

00:12:56Guest:There's photos of it if you Google it.

00:12:58Guest:It's awesome.

00:12:59Guest:Bears are just in there like, ah.

00:13:00Guest:They're stuck in the rye with peanut butter, eating goober.

00:13:05Guest:You know what I mean?

00:13:06Guest:Like goober and other shit that hippies would eat back then.

00:13:10Guest:Gorp.

00:13:12Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:13:13Guest:Whatever.

00:13:14Guest:Cans of that.

00:13:14Guest:A tang.

00:13:15Guest:Yeah.

00:13:16Guest:Tang was going around.

00:13:17Guest:Was it?

00:13:17Guest:Yeah, the orange powder shit.

00:13:19Marc:A bear on tang.

00:13:20Marc:I think that was astronauts, not hippies.

00:13:22Marc:You're thinking about bears on spaceships, I think.

00:13:24Guest:No, but they would drink it anyway.

00:13:25Guest:Hippies just drink whatever they can camp with.

00:13:27Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:28Marc:You just bring bags of stuff.

00:13:30Guest:It's weird because I hate hippies and I like hippies.

00:13:33Marc:Well, you come from hippies.

00:13:34Guest:I do.

00:13:35Guest:It's weird.

00:13:36Marc:I think that's common.

00:13:37Guest:Yeah, like the Grateful Dead I hated for years and then fell in love with them.

00:13:42Marc:Well, I think it takes a while to come around.

00:13:44Marc:You're going to fight what you come from for a while.

00:13:45Marc:That's true.

00:13:46Marc:But as a rock and roll guy, you're going to have to, at a certain point, you've got to make room for the hippies.

00:13:50Marc:It's true, man.

00:13:50Marc:They're important.

00:13:51Guest:And then I fell in love with them.

00:13:53Guest:Yeah?

00:13:53Guest:With the hippies?

00:13:54Guest:Not the actual... I remember seeing that movie with Grateful Dead where they're going across Canada in the train.

00:14:01Marc:Yeah, I just saw that.

00:14:02Marc:Rick Danko.

00:14:03Guest:Fucking amazing.

00:14:04Marc:It's great.

00:14:05Marc:With Janis Joplin, right?

00:14:06Guest:That's right.

00:14:07Marc:And Buddy Guy meets him.

00:14:08Marc:They're jamming on the train at night.

00:14:10Marc:That one scene with Rick Danko, All Wasted, I think he's with Janice, right?

00:14:13Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:14Guest:And they're in there in that car.

00:14:15Marc:It's great.

00:14:16Marc:It's great.

00:14:17Marc:And Buddy Guy in the Cherry Picker.

00:14:18Marc:Just unbelievable.

00:14:20Guest:Oh, and the other band, what are those, that 50 Shauna Na or something, I think's on that tour.

00:14:24Guest:Oh, the Shauna Na.

00:14:25Guest:Yeah, I think they're on that also.

00:14:26Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:27Marc:What's it called?

00:14:27Marc:Something Express.

00:14:28Marc:Rolling.

00:14:28Guest:express wonderland no something express yeah it's so great yeah no i love that movie i think it's epic and the story behind it is it was just lost for years yeah then they fucking find it they dust it off yeah there's a great scene in that movie though where the hippies are sneaking in yeah jerry's on the uh train yes hey fuck those guys

00:14:49Guest:Those hippies just think we do this shit for free?

00:14:52Guest:And I never forgot it.

00:14:54Guest:Yeah.

00:14:54Guest:Because I like the hippie vibe of like, hey, man, this is cool.

00:14:57Guest:But I also don't like the hippie vibe of like, hey, can I get a dollar?

00:15:01Guest:I don't like that.

00:15:03Guest:Like, hate street.

00:15:05Guest:Those guys at the top of hate.

00:15:07Guest:Oh, and they're kids.

00:15:08Guest:No, it's not even hippies.

00:15:10Guest:They're just kids that live with their parents.

00:15:11Guest:They go down and bum during the day.

00:15:13Marc:I used to do a joke about it because there used to be a couple of dudes up there at the top of, hey, I think the joke was, you know, you see those guys that took Jim Morrison's advice and broke on through to the other side but never found their way back.

00:15:24Marc:That's it.

00:15:25Marc:And they just sort of look at you.

00:15:25Marc:They look right through you, you know, and they're like, you got a dollar.

00:15:28Marc:I'm like, I'll give you five if you give me back what you just took out of my soul.

00:15:31Guest:I saw you do that.

00:15:33Guest:It was awesome.

00:15:33Guest:I mean, on the Grateful Dead drug bed.

00:15:35Marc:Yeah, I think so, yeah.

00:15:37Guest:Unbelievable.

00:15:37Guest:And they are Shafir's drug.

00:15:39Guest:Oh, that's right.

00:15:39Guest:That's right.

00:15:40Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:41Marc:But, all right, so you're running around the Bay.

00:15:44Marc:Are you getting high?

00:15:45Guest:Yeah, big time.

00:15:46Guest:A lot of drugs, man.

00:15:47Marc:I got into drugs.

00:15:48Marc:What age?

00:15:49Marc:Around, I think, 16.

00:15:51Guest:and what you're running around the hate running around san francisco i was running around uh i played san francisco like crazy i had a band around what band uh first band i had was this band called ghost town so you're a guitar player yeah i sing yeah i didn't start playing guitar until about 10 years ago when i had to you're just a singer you're just a lead singer you're a front man front man i was into like aerosmith yeah uh

00:16:15Guest:But I was way into metal, too.

00:16:18Guest:Metallica was hitting San Fran, and I was working at The Stone on Broadway, and I was really getting into... I liked it all, man.

00:16:27Guest:Mustaine?

00:16:28Guest:Mustaine, I like Megadeth, but not...

00:16:31Guest:only one record it was really metallica that hit me yeah you know and also i mean there's a lot of stuff going on you had dead kennedy's you know holiday in cambodia jello biafra yeah that was going on across street at the mabu hey and there was this music mecca going on and the hate had the hippie music you know the i-beam the night break and that shit so there's music i was getting influenced by all kinds of shit but mostly rock yeah yeah yeah i was way into rock

00:16:57Guest:so you were like real singing not cookie monster singing no no no i can sing the shit out of anything like not like an ego thing yeah but i took it on yeah and i really learned how to do it so that was your thing you were gonna be a rock star that's right man i wanted i didn't want to be a rock star i wanted to be a like a like a touring musician on a bus just like a pirate yeah i love that pirate thing of being on a bus yeah yeah i've done it and when you do it there's nothing like it yeah so where did that take you what was the next band after ghost town

00:17:25Guest:After that, the dudes were all strung out on drugs.

00:17:29Guest:There was a lot of speed going around back then.

00:17:32Marc:What year was that?

00:17:32Marc:So you were 16?

00:17:33Guest:The 80s.

00:17:34Guest:Early 80s.

00:17:36Marc:So that was the old style crank.

00:17:38Guest:That's right.

00:17:38Marc:Biker crank.

00:17:39Guest:Yeah, biker crank.

00:17:40Guest:A lot of biker crank.

00:17:41Guest:Chicken crank.

00:17:42Guest:People just called it go fast.

00:17:44Marc:Yeah.

00:17:44Marc:Oh, go fast.

00:17:45Guest:That was more like, yeah, you got any go fast or a bump?

00:17:48Marc:Yeah, I got a bump.

00:17:49Guest:And it wasn't really looked upon bad.

00:17:51Marc:What was chicken crank?

00:17:52Marc:The yellow crank?

00:17:53Guest:Yeah, the yellow shit.

00:17:54Guest:It smelled like piss.

00:17:55Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:55Guest:Remember that?

00:17:56Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:17:57Marc:It was always too grainy to even break down.

00:17:59Guest:Yeah.

00:17:59Marc:It was strong as fuck.

00:18:01Marc:You couldn't get it to powder.

00:18:02Marc:No, no.

00:18:03Marc:You'd snort it and you'd be like, oh, there's still- It'd just fall out of your nose.

00:18:06Marc:Yeah, there's a piece burning in there.

00:18:07Guest:Yeah.

00:18:08Guest:Man, when you snort that, it was battery acid, right?

00:18:11Guest:Get in your nose and fucking light your head on fire.

00:18:13Marc:It was like kerosene it smelled like or something.

00:18:15Guest:It smelled like, you know, I always say I didn't die from the drugs in, but I know it's going to get me on the back end because whenever they're washing that shit in, it's going to come on.

00:18:24Guest:Pretty soon they're going to go, hey, dude.

00:18:25Guest:It was rough, man.

00:18:26Guest:It was.

00:18:27Marc:Yeah, it was like, yeah, I thought it was chicken piss or something.

00:18:30Guest:Yeah, chicken crank.

00:18:31Marc:Yeah.

00:18:31Guest:The word I heard, which I don't know if it's true, but I heard that the farmers in Petaluma would make this chicken crank so the chickens would just lay the shit out of these eggs and keep them up till they just died.

00:18:45Guest:And then these other guys would just sell it.

00:18:47Marc:No, you're telling me that the story you heard was that this crystal meth was made for chicken so they'd lay eggs.

00:18:54Guest:The chicken crank, that shitty egg.

00:18:56Guest:That's what I heard, man, that they actually have sexual practical.

00:18:59Guest:They put it in their food and they fucking get popping and they start laying eggs, man.

00:19:06Marc:I wonder if there's anyone that can validate that.

00:19:08Marc:If someone could do the research on that, I'd love to hear back from you.

00:19:11Guest:Yeah, I'd like to Google that.

00:19:13Guest:I never Googled it.

00:19:14Marc:You never Googled Chicken Crank?

00:19:15Guest:I didn't because once I got out, I was out.

00:19:19Guest:Oh, you don't do anything anymore?

00:19:20Guest:I don't do anything anymore.

00:19:21Guest:About 92, I quit partying full on.

00:19:24Marc:What, just by the skin of your teeth or did you do the business?

00:19:28Guest:No, I just got out, man.

00:19:29Guest:I was like, well, most of all, my voice was starting to fry from booze.

00:19:33Marc:Yeah, what was your thing, though?

00:19:35Marc:Was it mostly speed?

00:19:36Guest:It was speed, coke, booze, and that was it.

00:19:40Guest:I never got into pills, and weed fucking was too strong.

00:19:43Guest:It just knocked me out.

00:19:44Marc:Speed, crank, and booze?

00:19:46Guest:Yeah.

00:19:46Guest:No dope?

00:19:47Marc:No, speed, coke, and booze.

00:19:48Marc:Speed, coke, and booze.

00:19:49Guest:Yeah, and my buddies were doing a lot of heroin, but I wasn't into it because the needles just, I hate needles, but I did smoke it a few times, and I was like, this ain't for me.

00:19:58Guest:I like to go up.

00:19:59Guest:I'm an up dude.

00:20:00Marc:Yeah, so I was a go-fast guy, too.

00:20:02Marc:I never liked the downers, but there was a lot of dope around in that time.

00:20:04Marc:You must have known a lot of dudes getting strung out in that shit and dying.

00:20:07Guest:Well, what happened was once Guns N' Roses hit, everybody was getting on heroin.

00:20:12Guest:And my guys were on it, and it's just like- That tar shit.

00:20:18Guest:Yeah, and dudes dying.

00:20:20Guest:Different strains would come up in the mission.

00:20:22Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:23Guest:And 10 dudes would die in a weekend.

00:20:25Marc:Just because they didn't know the strength of it.

00:20:27Guest:It was too strong.

00:20:27Marc:Yeah.

00:20:28Marc:Well, this must be like last week's batch and then they go down.

00:20:31Guest:That's right.

00:20:31Guest:And, you know, guys were dying.

00:20:34Guest:Then after Guns N' Roses, the grunge scene hit and it was really fucking everywhere, man.

00:20:39Guest:Like I was touring a lot.

00:20:41Guest:that tar shit right tar shit man like andrew wood from mother love bone died yeah and then you know i was hanging a little bit with uh lane staley and he was you know he was gone from uh from allison chains yeah he died late though i mean yeah he died late but he was he was battling it as uh you know

00:21:00Marc:Where'd you hang out with him?

00:21:01Guest:My buddy, this guy, Stefan Shirazi, used to, he writes for Metallica, but he would do interviews for RIP Magazine.

00:21:10Guest:He'd go, hey, you want to go?

00:21:11Guest:And Lane and I became friends.

00:21:13Guest:I booked his band.

00:21:14Guest:I used to kind of book this rock night at San Francisco at the Stone.

00:21:18Guest:And it was called Dean Del Rey's Spaghetti Westerns.

00:21:21Guest:You pay five bucks, you got a free bowl of spaghetti and see the best hot new band coming up.

00:21:26Guest:Free bowl of spaghetti.

00:21:27Marc:Yeah, it was fucking rocking.

00:21:28Marc:You remember that breakfast?

00:21:28Guest:this place spaghetti western oh hell yeah up on lower yeah yeah absolutely next to the horseshoe yeah that place i think it closed now it did they had good breakfast so they had real biscuits and gravy there's a great rib place by there uh forget what it's called it's been there for uh some rib spot now yeah yeah it used to hang around down lower hates really nice now yeah everything's really nice now they ruined it they ruined everything

00:21:50Guest:Yeah, you know, once the dot-com came in, that wiped out San Francisco.

00:21:55Marc:That wiped out the sort of freaky scene.

00:21:58Marc:The freaky scene.

00:21:59Guest:That's right.

00:21:59Guest:You could live in San Fran for a while for like 200 bucks with three dudes and never have a job and just drink Red Hook beer at the fucking night break and see rock bands.

00:22:10Yeah.

00:22:10Guest:And I swear to God, I never even worked.

00:22:13Guest:I just cruised.

00:22:14Guest:Like, how did I even live?

00:22:16Guest:I don't know, man.

00:22:17Guest:And you ruled it.

00:22:17Guest:You had drugs, you had booze, you had rock and roll.

00:22:20Guest:And you're like, this is great.

00:22:22Guest:Where are we getting our money?

00:22:24Guest:I swear, I have no idea.

00:22:25Guest:You do like one gig for 50 bucks and you're good.

00:22:28Guest:And you lived on burritos.

00:22:30Guest:That's the San Fran sandwich.

00:22:32Guest:Which was your place?

00:22:33Guest:Oh, man.

00:22:34Guest:It switches, huh?

00:22:35Guest:But El Farolito became the spot for me, really.

00:22:38Guest:Pancho Villa's?

00:22:39Guest:Pancho Villa's good, but it was- Cancun?

00:22:41Guest:Cancun.

00:22:42Guest:It's all about who had the best green sauce.

00:22:45Guest:That one that looked like avocado.

00:22:46Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:47Guest:Not a salsa verde.

00:22:49Marc:No, but right.

00:22:49Marc:It had the avocado on it.

00:22:50Guest:That's right.

00:22:51Guest:And it was like a weird green cream.

00:22:53Guest:Yeah.

00:22:53Guest:And that was who won for me.

00:22:56Guest:And also, I think the shittier, the better.

00:22:59Guest:That 26 in Mission, man, you'd be out there, guys are smoking crack.

00:23:03Guest:You're getting a quesadilla at like four in the morning.

00:23:07Guest:Oh, man.

00:23:07Guest:Those are the days.

00:23:08Guest:They are, man.

00:23:09Guest:I fucking love it.

00:23:11Guest:I love that shit, man.

00:23:13Guest:San Fran had a fucking soul that blew my mind.

00:23:16Marc:I could never wrap my brain around it.

00:23:18Marc:What the hell was going on in that city?

00:23:19Marc:There was so much going on.

00:23:20Marc:To this day, if you get out of the BART at 16th and Mission, I don't know what the fuck is happening.

00:23:26Guest:My mom would ride that fucking BART.

00:23:29Guest:She would get on right there.

00:23:30Guest:And she was just fearless.

00:23:33Guest:I don't get it.

00:23:34Guest:She'd be like a 50-year-old woman at the time, walk right by junkies shooting up crazy gang members and get right on 16th and Mission.

00:23:44Guest:But it's all right there.

00:23:45Guest:It's all right there.

00:23:46Marc:I walk out and I'm like, what is going on in this corner?

00:23:49Marc:Yeah.

00:23:49Marc:There's all that weird Cap Street hookers and shit.

00:23:53Marc:Isn't that what I'm thinking?

00:23:54Guest:Hell yeah.

00:23:55Guest:Cap Street.

00:23:56Guest:That was just weird crack whores.

00:23:58Guest:Yeah.

00:23:59Guest:Yeah.

00:23:59Marc:It was disturbing.

00:24:00Marc:I lived at South Van Ness in 22nd for a year.

00:24:03Guest:Right.

00:24:04Marc:Back in 92 maybe, 93.

00:24:07Marc:Yeah.

00:24:08Marc:Yeah, that's a little gnarly.

00:24:12Marc:Because South Van Ness, it's a block or two away from Mission, but it feels like it's almost- It's still in there.

00:24:18Marc:Yeah, it feels a little industrial, but then you're in there.

00:24:20Marc:It's still there, man.

00:24:22Guest:Yeah.

00:24:22Marc:And you go walk, and I'd be like, what the fuck is happening?

00:24:26Marc:People would walk by you, and you're like, what is going on with that guy?

00:24:29Guest:It's so weird.

00:24:30Guest:You'll just see one guy naked.

00:24:31Guest:Yeah.

00:24:32Guest:Then you'll see another guy go, he's dead for sure.

00:24:35Guest:I've seen him four days in a row.

00:24:37Guest:He's right there.

00:24:38Guest:Then he'll get up.

00:24:39Guest:Hey.

00:24:40Guest:What the fuck?

00:24:41Guest:Man, it's crazy, man.

00:24:43Guest:It's San Fran.

00:24:44Guest:I'll tell you, in the 70s and the 80s, San Fran, I couldn't believe how great it was.

00:24:49Guest:Yeah.

00:24:51Guest:You could be in North Beach.

00:24:52Guest:Yeah.

00:24:52Guest:Full-blown soul, the shitty weird strip clubs, the Mabue Gardens, the Stone.

00:24:57Guest:Yeah.

00:24:57Guest:Then you'd be up in the hate.

00:24:59Guest:Yeah.

00:24:59Guest:You got like Night Break, the I-beam.

00:25:01Guest:Yeah.

00:25:02Guest:Then you could go down into the mission.

00:25:04Guest:Yeah.

00:25:04Guest:It was full-blown straight up like Hispanic.

00:25:07Guest:Yeah.

00:25:07Guest:And just hang out and eat crazy food and feel like you're in another world.

00:25:10Guest:Yeah.

00:25:11Guest:They'd be out Geneva Towers, just gang wars going on, going to Candlestick to see a game.

00:25:17Guest:Yeah.

00:25:17Guest:It's just like, where are we?

00:25:18Marc:Yeah, it definitely, and it has a mystical vibe, man.

00:25:21Marc:The air up there, you're just like, it's so beautiful and so weird, man.

00:25:24Marc:Yeah.

00:25:25Marc:Did you ever do any of the, like, go up to Bellinas and shit?

00:25:27Guest:Oh, God, I played Smiley's.

00:25:29Guest:This is a great story.

00:25:30Guest:Bellinas was owned by a guy named Don Dean.

00:25:35Guest:Yeah.

00:25:35Guest:Don Dean owned the whole town.

00:25:36Marc:I never knew what was going on up there.

00:25:38Guest:belinas is one of the weirdest spots ever they they would break down the uh the sign so tourists couldn't find it right they would say belinas left here every two months they tore that fucker down yeah now this guy don dean two first names never trust that guy yeah he owned the town yeah it's like a shop a bar yeah and four houses in a church yeah yeah yeah

00:26:00Guest:So Don Dean would book bands to come out, play the weekend for like what?

00:26:04Guest:12 people for the town.

00:26:06Guest:It'd be about 25 people.

00:26:08Guest:Yeah.

00:26:08Guest:And it would just be this drug booze celebration every weekend.

00:26:14Guest:And he stayed in the above the place in the it was like a bed and breakfast.

00:26:18Guest:He was the coolest guy ever.

00:26:20Guest:He had his own money called smiley dollars.

00:26:23Guest:So you didn't make any money.

00:26:25Guest:He'd pay you in his own money while you were there.

00:26:27Guest:So you'd spend your money in his store and booths.

00:26:32Guest:It had his face on it.

00:26:33Guest:It was like bad Monopoly money.

00:26:34Guest:It'd be like Don Dean's smiley dollars.

00:26:38Guest:And I was like, this place is whack.

00:26:39Guest:But I fell in love with it, man.

00:26:41Guest:I'd go out there for a weekend every couple months, spend the weekend.

00:26:45Guest:You'd bring like a girl with you, and you'd have the best time, and you'd meet these people, and they'd be like,

00:26:50Marc:Real hippie pirates up there.

00:26:53Guest:Oh, full blown.

00:26:54Guest:I swear, it's got to be like guys that were ditching from Vietnam or running under the grid, maybe weed growers for sure.

00:27:02Guest:Yeah.

00:27:02Guest:Weed growers.

00:27:03Marc:Because I always got that vibe that there's some underground business going on here.

00:27:08Guest:100%.

00:27:08Marc:Yeah, and I just remember right before you got to Bolinas, you could go watch the seals sleep.

00:27:14Marc:That's right.

00:27:14Marc:Remember all the harbor seals we used to beach out just shy of Bolinas?

00:27:18Guest:They have those like every...

00:27:20Guest:Like 200 miles, it seems like.

00:27:21Guest:They got it up on the 101, too, after Big Sur.

00:27:24Marc:Well, that's a different... That's those elephants here.

00:27:26Guest:Yeah, right.

00:27:26Guest:But I'm just saying, it's weird how you can go to those spots.

00:27:29Marc:Have you seen that shit?

00:27:29Marc:That's amazing.

00:27:30Marc:Those things... The harbor seals look like they're about maybe 150 pounds.

00:27:33Guest:Yeah, the small black ones.

00:27:35Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:27:35Marc:And they're just kind of... They're cute.

00:27:36Marc:But man, to go up there when they're mating outside... Those are monsters.

00:27:39Marc:It's by San Simeon, right?

00:27:41Marc:That's right.

00:27:41Marc:Yeah.

00:27:41Marc:After Hearst Castle.

00:27:42Marc:Right.

00:27:43Marc:They're like two-ton animals, man.

00:27:45Marc:They're crazy.

00:27:45Marc:And they're fucking... And they're all laying around and spitting... And they're yelling.

00:27:49Yeah.

00:27:50Marc:I've never seen anything like that in my life.

00:27:53Marc:Oh, I love it.

00:27:53Marc:You just sit there, and people are there with their kids, and I'm like, I don't know if they should be seeing this, because they're- Oh, they'll fight.

00:27:59Guest:Yeah, it's crazy.

00:28:00Guest:They fight, and then they fuck.

00:28:01Guest:It's crazy.

00:28:02Guest:They come up, and they basically just rape each other.

00:28:05Guest:Yeah.

00:28:05Guest:One bites the other one.

00:28:06Guest:It's like-

00:28:07Guest:And they go, no.

00:28:09Guest:And they're huge.

00:28:09Guest:And you're going, what the fuck is this?

00:28:10Guest:This is crazy.

00:28:11Marc:And they're huge.

00:28:12Marc:That's what the wild is like.

00:28:13Guest:Yeah, they look like boats.

00:28:15Guest:You spend time in Big Sur, too?

00:28:16Guest:Man, I love Big Sur.

00:28:17Guest:I ride a motorcycle.

00:28:19Guest:When did that start?

00:28:21Guest:I started riding a bike when I was around 19.

00:28:24Guest:My uncle was basically like the dude on Mask.

00:28:28Guest:You ever see Mask?

00:28:30Marc:Like, yeah, Sam Elliott.

00:28:31Guest:He was that character.

00:28:33Guest:I swear, when I saw Mask, I go, whoa, Uncle Don.

00:28:36Guest:You know what I mean?

00:28:36Guest:Like, that's crazy.

00:28:37Guest:That's your mom's brother?

00:28:38Guest:He was like a guy that looked after me.

00:28:40Guest:Oh, one of those uncles.

00:28:42Guest:Yeah, one of those guys.

00:28:42Guest:Your mom sort of, like, she got- Yeah, like, here, you stay with him, you fucking troublemaker.

00:28:47Guest:And he made me wear construction, but he had a Harley tattoos.

00:28:51Guest:He smoked Marlboros.

00:28:52Guest:I was like, this guy is the goods.

00:28:54Guest:Yeah.

00:28:54Guest:And I got into motorcycles, man.

00:28:56Guest:He got you on them?

00:28:57Guest:Yeah, he got me on him.

00:28:58Guest:He was like, you pussy.

00:29:00Guest:Get on that bike.

00:29:00Guest:I was scared of Harley's.

00:29:01Guest:They're huge.

00:29:03Guest:When you're a kid, they're giant.

00:29:04Guest:And you got to kick them.

00:29:06Guest:And if you can't kick it back then, you can't ride it.

00:29:08Guest:What do you mean kick it?

00:29:09Guest:Kickstart it.

00:29:10Guest:You can't just get on it.

00:29:12Guest:Start it and roll.

00:29:13Guest:And man, that thing, you take all your might and it would kick back.

00:29:16Guest:You'd fucking fall off and fuck your knee up.

00:29:19Guest:They kick back, they bite, man.

00:29:20Guest:They go, pow!

00:29:21Guest:Yeah, you don't know what you're down.

00:29:23Guest:Yeah, but he was like my idol I got into did he ride with anybody?

00:29:27Guest:He just rode on his own.

00:29:29Guest:You know, he was like one of those guys Yeah, I love I love the idea of being a nomad.

00:29:34Guest:Yeah, and right I've rode across America five times and

00:29:37Marc:Just by yourself?

00:29:38Guest:A couple guys.

00:29:39Marc:Yeah.

00:29:40Guest:Motorcycles.

00:29:41Guest:I've been to Sturges.

00:29:42Guest:I've rode to Sturges.

00:29:43Guest:I've rode all over the US on a motorcycle.

00:29:46Guest:My dream is to do a comedy tour on a motorcycle.

00:29:49Guest:Well, you can do that.

00:29:50Guest:I know.

00:29:50Guest:I can't.

00:29:51Guest:I just got to make sure you make some money first.

00:29:54Guest:So money's important now?

00:29:56Guest:No, it's not important, but to keep going.

00:29:58Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:59Guest:You know what I mean?

00:30:00Marc:I was being a dick.

00:30:01Marc:I was being a dick.

00:30:02Guest:I know.

00:30:02Marc:Yeah.

00:30:02Marc:It does get important though, right?

00:30:04Marc:Well, you kind of need it eventually.

00:30:06Guest:You do.

00:30:06Marc:Yeah, you know, the idealism of like, fuck it, man.

00:30:10Marc:When you're coming up on 50, you're like, hey, maybe I don't want to die broke.

00:30:14Guest:I don't mind being broke.

00:30:15Guest:Yeah.

00:30:15Guest:But I don't like freaking like right now I have 700 bucks to my name.

00:30:19Guest:Yeah.

00:30:19Guest:My rent's due in a few days.

00:30:21Guest:Yeah.

00:30:21Guest:It's just real.

00:30:22Guest:Yeah.

00:30:23Guest:But you know what?

00:30:25Yeah.

00:30:25Guest:I love doing comedy.

00:30:27Guest:Yeah.

00:30:27Guest:So there's no way I'm going to change my life.

00:30:30Guest:Every time I do something, I do it because I love it, like art, you know?

00:30:34Marc:Well, when you drove cross country, so when was the first time you did that?

00:30:37Marc:So you had a couple of bands.

00:30:39Guest:You had a couple of bands.

00:30:40Marc:And then you hit the wall with the blow.

00:30:43Marc:Yeah, here's what happened.

00:30:44Guest:Yeah.

00:30:45Guest:I had one band, and we just kind of fell apart from drugs.

00:30:51Guest:And, you know, we're just like partying.

00:30:54Mm-hmm.

00:30:54Guest:I take a couple years off.

00:30:56Marc:Of music or drugs?

00:30:58Guest:Of music and just kind of figuring out what I want to do.

00:31:01Guest:I get a call from this guy.

00:31:02Guest:He says, hey, Sammy Hagar opened this club in Cabo.

00:31:07Guest:He's looking for bands to play.

00:31:09Guest:You got any bands that go out for a couple weeks and play and they make this amount of money?

00:31:13Guest:So I go, yeah, send a couple bands.

00:31:15Guest:I ask them how it is.

00:31:16Guest:They say it's great.

00:31:17Guest:I go, you know, fuck this.

00:31:18Guest:I'm going to put a band together.

00:31:19Guest:I got to go to Cabo.

00:31:21Guest:Yeah.

00:31:21Guest:And do this myself.

00:31:22Guest:Yeah.

00:31:23Guest:So I put together this band called Tulane Blacktop.

00:31:25Guest:Yeah.

00:31:26Guest:And we go out there.

00:31:27Guest:We play three weeks.

00:31:28Guest:And I fucking, this is 92.

00:31:30Guest:And Cabo was a no man's land back then.

00:31:34Guest:A dirt road with two clubs and Sammy's place.

00:31:37Guest:Yeah.

00:31:38Guest:And I go, this is fucking heaven.

00:31:40Guest:Because it was like Malibu, but with no fucking high dollar.

00:31:44Guest:And I'm out there swimming and shit, and I'm playing music, and guys are teaching us to snorkel and scuba dive and jet ski.

00:31:51Guest:And I go, this is me.

00:31:53Guest:That band became a serious band.

00:31:55Guest:And from there, we got a record deal.

00:31:57Guest:Linda Perry signed us on Interscope.

00:32:00Guest:I started touring like crazy.

00:32:02Guest:Like 600 gigs in three years.

00:32:04Guest:Really?

00:32:05Guest:Yeah, on the road nonstop doing the kind of hippie scene up and down California up to Vancouver.

00:32:11Guest:Opening?

00:32:12Guest:Opening for a lot of bands like Blues Traveler, Tom Petty.

00:32:16Guest:You opened for Petty?

00:32:16Guest:Yeah, Petty.

00:32:19Guest:Opened for Morphine, remember them?

00:32:21Guest:Sure, Mark.

00:32:21Guest:Beat Farmers.

00:32:22Marc:Mark, what was his name?

00:32:24Guest:Yeah, Sandman.

00:32:24Marc:Sandman, yeah.

00:32:25Guest:So I was playing with all these cool bands and shit was just fucking... So you're living it.

00:32:30Guest:I was living it, man.

00:32:31Guest:We were making big money too.

00:32:32Guest:Yeah.

00:32:33Guest:Like music was booming then after the grunge and people were touring.

00:32:37Guest:You had like gin blossoms, that kind of weird scene.

00:32:40Guest:Then you had grunge and you had alt country, you know?

00:32:43Marc:Yeah.

00:32:43Marc:And then you also had the jam bands.

00:32:45Guest:jam bands and that's what we jumped on the jam band man i played harp yeah uh guitar player but we played the shit out of just songs you know yeah classics yeah yeah we'd play our own stuff but then we'd mix in like some doors and stuff in the middle of our stuff yeah yeah yeah and we toured like crazy and you had a following colleges yeah we play the colleges man it was great so what happened

00:33:06Guest:then and then uh towards the end man we just kind of i think we just i was tired of the music i didn't write music i just wrote lyrics yeah guitar player was writing a style i really wasn't into uh it started to get just too blues ditty like you know all right baby come on yeah yeah yeah they weren't songs they were just blues ditties yeah so i was like i'm out

00:33:31Guest:and uh i quit you know yeah and then what happened and then i said i need to learn to play guitar yeah i took a couple years off learned to play guitar and did a solo record yeah and that's when it really took off is that the record you gave me yep yeah i did that record and i had david emmerg luck in the band from counting crows yeah i had this guy ronnie crawford one of the best drummers the guy is bonzo yeah

00:33:54Guest:uh i had the uh a b3 player uh bass player joey de bono and we had this insane band and we toured and that band played you know like i went on the road with jacob dillon who you just had yeah nice guy uh 10 months yeah did you get along with him we became best friends yeah i shot a documentary on him you still talk to him

00:34:15Guest:Every day.

00:34:16Guest:Yeah.

00:34:16Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:34:17Guest:It's weird because I've known Jacob 20 years.

00:34:19Marc:I wish I'd known that when I talked to him.

00:34:21Marc:I know.

00:34:21Marc:I was trying to get through it.

00:34:22Marc:He's a little, you know, a little defensive.

00:34:24Guest:You know what's great was when I listened to your interview with him.

00:34:27Marc:Yeah.

00:34:27Guest:I know him like the back of my hand.

00:34:30Guest:Yeah.

00:34:30Guest:Like, I love the guy more than anything.

00:34:31Guest:Yeah.

00:34:32Guest:But I know one thing.

00:34:33Guest:To stick around with him, you got to keep his privacy.

00:34:36Guest:Yeah.

00:34:37Guest:If you mention anything about him that's in his private zone, you're out.

00:34:41Guest:Yeah.

00:34:42Guest:I was poking at him, but I thought he handled it well.

00:34:44Guest:He relaxed.

00:34:45Guest:Yeah.

00:34:45Guest:He did.

00:34:46Guest:He did.

00:34:46Guest:And you know, what are you going to do?

00:34:48Guest:Your dad's Bob Dylan.

00:34:49Guest:That's exactly right.

00:34:51Guest:Your dad is Bob Dylan.

00:34:53Guest:You know what I mean?

00:34:54Guest:I remember, like, I started hanging out with him back in the day at Cantor's.

00:34:58Guest:We met.

00:34:59Guest:Right.

00:35:00Guest:He came up.

00:35:00Guest:He's like, hey, I like your band.

00:35:02Guest:Yeah.

00:35:02Guest:I was like, oh, cool.

00:35:03Guest:He's all Jacob.

00:35:04Guest:I hung out with him for a couple weeks here and there at clubs.

00:35:06Guest:And then someone said, that's Bob Dylan, son.

00:35:08Guest:I was like, what?

00:35:09Guest:Yeah.

00:35:09Guest:the guy there's no way the guy was so cool yeah he's so nice you know because you know when you meet celebrity kids they're fucking assholes yeah they're like yeah i'm the best yeah yeah you want to name names yeah i i mean i can't really remember because i just block assholes out but uh you know what i mean

00:35:28Marc:But you guys hang out, huh?

00:35:29Guest:Oh, fuck, man.

00:35:30Marc:Yeah, I liked him.

00:35:31Marc:And I knew it's a tough cross to bear.

00:35:33Marc:But I knew I wasn't going to be able to talk to him without somehow getting at it.

00:35:37Marc:But there was a couple of moments I thought were really great.

00:35:39Marc:Yeah, absolutely.

00:35:40Marc:Where he's like, yeah, I talk to him.

00:35:43Marc:Yeah.

00:35:44Guest:yeah the great thing was he saved my life actually man i moved to la in 2001 and i thought it was just gonna happen i got my solo you'd had the record i got the solo record out i play the viper room it's sold out yeah uh you know guys are swarming around shit's happening i'm out i do some shows wilco yeah uh things are happening i'm feeling good and then nothing for a year

00:36:08Guest:And I'm like, wow, man, what am I going to do?

00:36:11Marc:It's brutal to be out here and have that.

00:36:12Marc:Because a lot of people come out with those expectations.

00:36:15Marc:That's right.

00:36:15Marc:And then they get leveled.

00:36:16Marc:And then there's a type of loneliness that occurs.

00:36:19Guest:Wow.

00:36:20Guest:And I wasn't stupid.

00:36:22Guest:I've been in the game all my life.

00:36:23Guest:I wasn't an idiot like, I'm going to be a star.

00:36:25Guest:Right.

00:36:26Guest:I was more like, something's going to happen because I'm fucking, I'm working my ass off.

00:36:30Guest:But I had started all over.

00:36:32Guest:I was big fishing San Fran and I'm fucking bottom of the barrel here.

00:36:35Guest:So...

00:36:37Guest:I get this call from him one day, and I swear to God, I had like maybe $100 left to my name.

00:36:43Guest:I was living behind the comedy store.

00:36:45Marc:I get a call.

00:36:46Marc:He says, hey, man.

00:36:48Marc:Well, you were living behind the comedy store, but you weren't doing comedy.

00:36:50Guest:No, I was up there on that street, Queens Road.

00:36:54Guest:I was on Queens Road.

00:36:55Marc:You weren't in Crest Hill.

00:36:56Marc:No, no, no.

00:36:56Marc:You were just up there.

00:36:57Guest:I was just up there at a guest house.

00:36:59Marc:Oh, okay.

00:36:59Guest:And I was like, had no money left.

00:37:01Guest:And I had these cases of records.

00:37:04Guest:And he said, hey, we're going to Montana to start our tour.

00:37:09Guest:Yeah.

00:37:10Guest:You want to go?

00:37:10Guest:Yeah.

00:37:11Guest:And do a show?

00:37:12Guest:And I said, oh, God, yeah, please.

00:37:14Guest:It was weird.

00:37:14Guest:It was just out of nowhere.

00:37:16Guest:Yeah.

00:37:16Guest:I'd never opened for Jacob before.

00:37:17Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:18Guest:Known for years.

00:37:19Yeah.

00:37:19Guest:So they fly me out to Montana.

00:37:20Guest:I get on the tour bus.

00:37:21Guest:We go and we play a gig.

00:37:23Guest:And we play at Missoula, Montana, where David Lynch wrote Blue Velvet in this beautiful theater.

00:37:29Guest:Lynch lived upstairs.

00:37:31Guest:It sold out.

00:37:32Guest:Crowd goes crazy.

00:37:33Marc:Lynch is living up there?

00:37:34Guest:He was.

00:37:34Guest:That's where he wrote Blue Velvet.

00:37:36Guest:Not when we were there, but back in the day.

00:37:38Guest:Because I was like, this town is amazing.

00:37:40Guest:Missoula, that river runs through it.

00:37:43Guest:I was like, this town is amazing.

00:37:45Guest:The whole town came out to see Jacob.

00:37:47Guest:Sold out.

00:37:48Guest:They embrace me.

00:37:49Guest:I sell like 75 CDs at 15 bucks a pop that night.

00:37:53Guest:Yeah.

00:37:54Guest:Jacob goes, hey, man, we're doing Seattle tomorrow.

00:37:56Guest:You want to do Seattle?

00:37:57Guest:I go, yeah, I'm on the bus.

00:37:58Guest:I do Seattle.

00:37:59Guest:Then I do Portland.

00:38:00Guest:He goes, hey, why don't you stay on the rest of the tour?

00:38:02Guest:We're supposed to be out with this band.

00:38:03Guest:I don't really like the guys.

00:38:05Guest:I go, all right.

00:38:05Guest:He fires him.

00:38:07Marc:So you're doing solo?

00:38:08Marc:Solo acoustic.

00:38:10Marc:Wow.

00:38:10Guest:Yeah, and this is where I start to begin, I'm going to do comedy after this, because I know after this, there's no way it's going to be bigger than this.

00:38:20Marc:Well, when did you start doing the roadie stuff?

00:38:22Marc:I never roadied.

00:38:23Marc:But when did you start hanging out with the Stones?

00:38:26Guest:The Stones, right after this tour.

00:38:29Marc:Well, how'd that all go down?

00:38:30Guest:I finished the Wallflowers tour 10 months.

00:38:33Guest:I get home and I go, I'm done with music.

00:38:35Guest:Right, but I thought you were doing good.

00:38:37Guest:I was doing good, but after that, nothing was happening.

00:38:41Guest:It was like you're the opener, but you get home and it just sits idle.

00:38:44Guest:It's not like you're doing good, but you need Jacob to go on another tour.

00:38:49Guest:There's not another band going, hey, you were great.

00:38:51Guest:Sorry on that.

00:38:52Guest:You want to go out?

00:38:52Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:38:53Guest:It's not happening.

00:38:54Guest:And I'd really lived my dream.

00:38:56Guest:I went to Europe with Jacob.

00:38:57Guest:Yeah, I played Hammersmith Odeon.

00:38:59Guest:We played Barcelona and all over, touring in a bus, finally.

00:39:04Guest:So I get home, and I'm home for about six months, and this company calls me called Fan Asylum, and they're in San Fran.

00:39:11Guest:This guy Tim McQuaid owned it.

00:39:12Marc:You just known him?

00:39:13Marc:How did they know you?

00:39:14Guest:I just knew him over the years.

00:39:15Guest:I would do bullshit little work for him, like Pantera Fan Club, phone hotline, like, this is the Pantera hotline.

00:39:22Guest:He'd call me in for voice shit on these hotlines.

00:39:26Guest:You know, like, you reached Don Bad, Daryl's favorite.

00:39:29Guest:You know, like, whatever.

00:39:30Guest:Press one for rock.

00:39:32Guest:That's what I'd do for him.

00:39:33Guest:Yeah.

00:39:34Guest:So he'd call me, said, hey, man, Stones are going on tour.

00:39:37Guest:Yeah.

00:39:38Guest:I need a guy to host these... Is this Steel Wheels?

00:39:42Guest:No, this is a 92 Licks.

00:39:45Guest:Licks Tour.

00:39:46Guest:92?

00:39:47Guest:I mean, sorry, 2002 Licks Tour.

00:39:49Guest:So I'm out with him from 2002.

00:39:51Marc:Wait, he calls you and he tells you what they want you for.

00:39:53Guest:He says, I need a guy to go out and host these VIP parties for their rich fans who are going to buy these packages that get to go backstage, sit front row and hang out.

00:40:06Guest:Yeah.

00:40:06Guest:And you'll just hang with them, spin music and be the host.

00:40:11Guest:I'm like, yeah, that sounds pretty good.

00:40:12Guest:What's ad pay?

00:40:14Yeah.

00:40:14Guest:He's like, 10 grand.

00:40:16Guest:I'm like, what?

00:40:18Guest:Like, I haven't made 10 grand, dude, a month in my fucking life.

00:40:25Guest:He said 10.

00:40:27Guest:I would have done it for 10 bucks.

00:40:29Guest:Chris, I saw where we're going.

00:40:31Guest:We're going to Japan, and I'd never been to Japan or Australia.

00:40:34Guest:Yeah.

00:40:34Guest:And I would have done it free.

00:40:36Guest:Yeah.

00:40:36Guest:I'm not letting him know that, you know?

00:40:38Yeah.

00:40:39Guest:So I go, yeah, that sounds pretty good.

00:40:41Yeah.

00:40:41Guest:I swear we fly to Boston.

00:40:43Guest:Yeah.

00:40:44Guest:This is the first day I get there.

00:40:46Guest:He goes, here's the rules.

00:40:47Guest:Don't look at the band.

00:40:49Guest:When they walk by, don't look at them.

00:40:51Guest:Just look away.

00:40:52Guest:And if they approach you, all good.

00:40:56Guest:So we're at the Boston baseball field there.

00:40:59Marc:Yeah.

00:40:59Guest:They're rehearsing there.

00:41:00Marc:Fenway Park.

00:41:01Guest:Fenway Park, the Green Monster.

00:41:03Marc:They're doing an outdoors concert.

00:41:04Guest:And they're rehearsing for the first tour, mix tour.

00:41:07Marc:Yeah.

00:41:07Guest:I'll never forget it.

00:41:08Guest:I'm in the Fenway Park, 10 people maybe on the grass watching them fucking play.

00:41:14Guest:It's my first day on the job.

00:41:16Guest:And I'm like, I can't even fucking believe this.

00:41:18Guest:What were they playing?

00:41:20Guest:They were going over, can't you hear me knocking?

00:41:22Guest:No.

00:41:23Guest:Which is my favorite.

00:41:24Guest:Now on this tour, they had an idea, which was unbelievable, where they would spin this wheel and a record would come up and they would play the record.

00:41:36Guest:What?

00:41:36Guest:They had like five records on it, like Exile, Tattoo You, Some Girls, Beggar's Banquet, and something else.

00:41:45Guest:Five records.

00:41:46Guest:They'd spin it, and then they would play the tour.

00:41:48Guest:That was their idea.

00:41:50Guest:Mid-tour, they dropped it and only did like four songs from it.

00:41:53Guest:But man, at the beginning of the tour, you could see Exile almost in its full.

00:41:58Guest:Really?

00:41:58Guest:Yeah, they were playing shit that you were just going, I can't fucking believe it, man.

00:42:02Guest:Like Shine a Light?

00:42:03Guest:Yeah.

00:42:03Guest:All that, man.

00:42:04Guest:Ventilator blues, dude.

00:42:06Guest:Really?

00:42:08Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:09Guest:You know?

00:42:10Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:11Guest:I'm losing my mind.

00:42:12Guest:I'm watching them rehearse.

00:42:13Guest:And now I'm on the tour, dude.

00:42:16Marc:But did you look at the band?

00:42:17Marc:Did you look away?

00:42:18Guest:Well, here's what happened.

00:42:19Guest:After about a week there.

00:42:21Marc:Yeah.

00:42:21Guest:This guy goes, hey, man, I see you're spinning at the parties.

00:42:27Guest:The Stones are having a private party tonight.

00:42:29Guest:We want you to DJ.

00:42:30Marc:All right, so wait.

00:42:31Marc:So now these parties, you started doing it.

00:42:33Marc:You're in Boston the first night.

00:42:34Marc:What was the party like?

00:42:35Marc:Who was there?

00:42:36Marc:What was that like?

00:42:36Guest:Well, here's how it works.

00:42:38Guest:They only play twice a week.

00:42:40Guest:yeah okay they'll come into a town yeah they they have the stage is so big so they have two three stages one's being set up in another town yeah yeah one's being torn down so it's like a domino effect right so they come into town they'll rest then they'll play a gig then rest a couple days play a gig so they the parties are only before the show they're not after the show vips

00:43:00Guest:That's right.

00:43:01Guest:Now, whoever's the big wigs in that town are at that fucking VIP.

00:43:06Guest:Now, this particular VIP, Martin Scorsese was there because he was filming that Boston gang movie with- With Martin Sheen and DiCaprio.

00:43:16Marc:With Leo.

00:43:17Marc:The Departed.

00:43:18Guest:Yeah, The Departed.

00:43:19Marc:Right.

00:43:19Guest:So he's there.

00:43:21Guest:You got big baseball players, but he invites us down to the set to watch him film that rooftop scene.

00:43:26Marc:Where they push Martin off.

00:43:27Guest:Yeah.

00:43:28Guest:I mean, this is like the first week I'm there.

00:43:30Guest:I'm like, I can't.

00:43:31Guest:First of all, Scorsese.

00:43:33Guest:You saw the Stones.

00:43:34Guest:Yeah.

00:43:35Guest:And now I'm talking to Scorsese.

00:43:37Guest:I'm like, this is a fucking God to me.

00:43:39Guest:He made Raging Bull.

00:43:41Guest:Yeah, the best.

00:43:41Guest:All right.

00:43:42Guest:There's no better film.

00:43:43Marc:Yeah, no doubt.

00:43:44Marc:No doubt.

00:43:45Guest:So I'm only on it a week already.

00:43:47Guest:But anyway, the parties would go like this.

00:43:48Guest:These rich people would come in.

00:43:50Guest:I play music for a couple hours.

00:43:52Guest:They drink and stuff.

00:43:54Guest:And then it would be over.

00:43:55Guest:They go sit in the front row.

00:43:57Guest:Now, sometimes they would ask me to take them around town to cool places like guitar stores.

00:44:02Guest:Guys would hit me up like, hey, tomorrow we're going to meet in the lobby.

00:44:05Guest:We're going to go to this famous guitar store.

00:44:08Guest:Or we're going to go here where Keith likes to go.

00:44:10Guest:You know, I'd find out shit.

00:44:12Guest:I'd take people on these cool day rides.

00:44:14Marc:Not the Stones, though.

00:44:15Guest:Not the Stones.

00:44:16Guest:No, no, no.

00:44:16Marc:Just the- So wait, when you went to the rooftop with Martin, did you talk to Martin Scorsese?

00:44:20Guest:Not while he was there, but I talked to him backstage.

00:44:22Guest:When I was there, you just weigh in the back watching.

00:44:24Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:26Guest:You don't want to- The key to being around all your life is not being, hey, man, like I did to you.

00:44:32Guest:Hey, man, put me on your podcast.

00:44:34Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:44:35Guest:The key is just to be hanging around and then one day you go, hey, who the fuck is that guy?

00:44:39Guest:Yeah.

00:44:39Guest:You know what I mean?

00:44:40Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:44:41Guest:And then they come over.

00:44:42Guest:I mean, that's why I think most people either hate me, because I'm a big character.

00:44:46Guest:They go, fuck that guy.

00:44:48Guest:I get it.

00:44:48Guest:Or they go, hey, this guy's cool.

00:44:50Guest:There's no middle ground with me.

00:44:53Guest:You know what I mean?

00:44:54Guest:Yeah.

00:44:54Guest:So that was like the first week, and then we went four years, man.

00:44:58Guest:I went around the world.

00:44:59Marc:Okay, so what happens with the private party thing?

00:45:02Guest:Okay, so this is the first time I-

00:45:04Guest:I DJ a private party for them.

00:45:06Guest:I get to call there at 3 a.m.

00:45:07Guest:You're meeting at this spot in Boston, some weird little club.

00:45:11Guest:I go in there.

00:45:11Marc:Everything's closed at 3 a.m.

00:45:13Guest:Yeah, but they rent places all night.

00:45:15Guest:You know what I mean?

00:45:15Guest:These fucking guys have more power than the president.

00:45:18Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:19Guest:Bottom line.

00:45:20Guest:Yeah.

00:45:21Guest:So the deal with the Stones is they only like two types of music.

00:45:25Guest:They like Motown and they like reggae.

00:45:27Guest:Yeah.

00:45:27Guest:If you get off that, you're fired.

00:45:30Yeah.

00:45:30Guest:If you try to whip in like the yeah, yeah, yes, they're going to go, what?

00:45:36Marc:So Keith's the reggae guy.

00:45:38Guest:He makes a reggae guy too, big time.

00:45:41Guest:And they love Motown.

00:45:42Guest:And I tell you what, Keith will fucking tell you anything about music on the planet.

00:45:47Guest:He plays that pirate character up to the T, but he'll come over and he's the smartest guy ever.

00:45:52Marc:I know, I read his book.

00:45:52Guest:Yeah, you'll talk to him.

00:45:54Guest:Yeah, he'll be over there like, ah!

00:45:55Guest:And then I'll come over and go, you know, I remember that, mate.

00:46:00Guest:71, actually.

00:46:01Guest:This corner of the studio's got a weird crack that would vibrate.

00:46:05Guest:That's the sound coming off.

00:46:07Guest:It's not the amp.

00:46:08Guest:It's this cracked piece of wood.

00:46:10Guest:And at first we fixed it, but it wrecked the sound, so I pulled it back.

00:46:14Guest:That's the kind of shit he'll hit you with.

00:46:15Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:16Guest:You're going like, fuck.

00:46:18Guest:So I'm spinning.

00:46:20Guest:I remember.

00:46:21Guest:And Jagger's 10 feet away, and I play this bootleg I have of Bob Marley's last show in Pittsburgh.

00:46:30Guest:It's like March 23, 1980.

00:46:32Guest:Yeah.

00:46:33Guest:Last show ever before he dies.

00:46:35Guest:Yeah.

00:46:36Guest:I'm spinning it, and I see Jagger looking at me.

00:46:39Guest:He's looking at me.

00:46:40Guest:He's looking at me, and he grabs a dude, and he goes, come over here.

00:46:43Guest:And he looks at me, and the guy looks at me, and he comes over, and I go, uh-oh, something's up.

00:46:47Guest:Yeah.

00:46:47Guest:And the guy says, hey, uh...

00:46:49Guest:Mick says he owns every Bob Marley recording on the planet.

00:46:53Guest:He doesn't recognize this.

00:46:55Guest:What is it?

00:46:56Guest:And I go, holy shit.

00:46:58Guest:I go, tell him it's his last show, Pittsburgh, March 23rd, 1980 or whatever.

00:47:05Guest:And tell him I'll give it to him tomorrow morning.

00:47:08Guest:So he goes over and he tells him.

00:47:10Guest:He leans in and I see Mick do this to me.

00:47:12Guest:He goes, thumbs up.

00:47:13Guest:Fuck yeah.

00:47:14Guest:And from then on, I go, I'm in.

00:47:17Guest:I put it in his iPod because he works out in the morning.

00:47:20Guest:I gave it to the guy.

00:47:21Guest:He put it in his iPod, and about two weeks later, I see Mickey Gaines, Picks Bag, walk by me.

00:47:27Guest:That's all he ever said to me in the entire four years.

00:47:29Guest:But I was in from then on out, man.

00:47:32Guest:It's crazy.

00:47:33Guest:Where'd you get that bootleg?

00:47:35Guest:I got a fucking bootleg freak, dude.

00:47:38Guest:I am a bootleg freak, especially Led Zeppelin.

00:47:41Guest:I got every Zeppelin there is.

00:47:43Guest:Every version.

00:47:44Guest:With Zeppelin, every show is recorded.

00:47:47Marc:Yeah.

00:47:48Guest:It's unbelievable.

00:47:49Marc:Yeah.

00:47:49Marc:And who has them?

00:47:50Marc:How do you get them?

00:47:51Guest:Well, there's a place here at Pasadena that, like, not the Rose Bowl, but the other, like, little flea market thing they have.

00:48:03Guest:And, man, they got it all there.

00:48:04Guest:Or you can get them online now.

00:48:05Guest:But when I was in Japan, the reason I did the Stones tour, of course, money.

00:48:10Guest:I needed money.

00:48:10Guest:Yeah.

00:48:11Guest:But I was going to Japan.

00:48:12Guest:And in Japan, they have one neighborhood.

00:48:14Guest:I think it's Shinjuku in Tokyo.

00:48:17Guest:Yeah.

00:48:17Guest:all bootlegs yeah like real stores they have a led zeppelin store you go in it's everything bootleg from zeppelin and it's all you know because they don't follow the laws yeah yeah you can go to a rolling stone store and it's two blocks and you'll you could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on these things that are packaged that flip open and make sounds and the packaging's like so elaborate you hang it on your wall it'll have pieces of

00:48:43Guest:You know, John Bonham's drum.

00:48:45Guest:Yeah, really?

00:48:46Guest:Yeah, they got rare shirts.

00:48:48Guest:Yeah.

00:48:48Guest:I fucking lost my mind.

00:48:50Guest:I went there.

00:48:51Guest:I told the guy I worked for the Stones.

00:48:52Guest:I got him backstage.

00:48:53Guest:He said, take anything in the store you want.

00:48:55Guest:I had a duffel bag, probably about 100 grand of CDs, DVDs, shipped it to my house.

00:49:02Guest:Mostly what?

00:49:03Guest:All Zeppelin.

00:49:04Marc:All Zeppelin.

00:49:04Guest:The whole Zeppelin star I took.

00:49:06Guest:Because then Stones had a stage where the fans could sit on the stage.

00:49:11Guest:It was this four-level stage.

00:49:13Guest:You could sit on the stage and watch them.

00:49:15Guest:Yeah.

00:49:15Guest:It was crazy.

00:49:16Guest:So I got the guy in there.

00:49:17Guest:He's like, oh, very cool.

00:49:19Guest:Ah.

00:49:19Guest:while he installs he's losing his mind you know take whatever you want at the store this guy was like 50 and his wife and him were just like ah they're on the stage they could just make more of whatever they get yeah that's right but but they don't they're really rare ones they'll make like 50 of these things because they cost so much money like what makes them rare

00:49:39Guest:The packaging.

00:49:41Guest:What are the recordings?

00:49:42Guest:How are the recordings?

00:49:42Guest:The soundboards, man.

00:49:44Guest:I only got soundboards.

00:49:44Guest:At first, I used to just buy anything.

00:49:46Guest:The guy's holding a mic?

00:49:48Guest:Yeah, and the bad guy under the stage.

00:49:51Guest:Boom.

00:49:51Guest:I'm like, oh, this is great.

00:49:52Guest:You hear that?

00:49:53Guest:Fuck that.

00:49:54Guest:That's the bottom of the stage.

00:49:55Guest:Yeah, you never listen to that shit.

00:49:56Guest:That's Jimmy Page's feet.

00:49:57Guest:At first, you just buy it on.

00:49:58Guest:Then after a while, you go, nah, man.

00:50:00Guest:Nah.

00:50:00Guest:I want soundboard.

00:50:02Guest:And they're getting better and better.

00:50:03Guest:They keep updating them with better mastering.

00:50:06Guest:Right.

00:50:07Guest:They're fucking great.

00:50:08Marc:What's the best Zeppelin bootleg you have?

00:50:09Guest:I think the best one to get was the one that got me into it was 73 called Destroyer.

00:50:16Guest:I think it's live in Cleveland.

00:50:18Guest:Yeah.

00:50:18Guest:Just because it's the 70 or 77.

00:50:21Guest:It's the 77 tour where they're really fat, just like playing four hours.

00:50:26Guest:But it's soundboard and all the eras.

00:50:30Guest:I mean, I like the early era where they're dangerous, like 69.

00:50:32Guest:Yeah.

00:50:33Guest:But I also like that later.

00:50:34Guest:That was the first one I ever bought, so I fell in love with it.

00:50:36Marc:Yeah.

00:50:37Guest:I thought they were all going to be that soundboard.

00:50:39Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:50:39Guest:Cool packaging.

00:50:41Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:41Guest:You know?

00:50:41Marc:Not so much.

00:50:42Guest:Now, they start buying them online.

00:50:44Guest:You're going, this fucker.

00:50:45Marc:Yeah.

00:50:45Guest:shitty CDR copies that don't work in your player.

00:50:49Marc:Well, there were bands that, for a while there, you'd go to dead shows and there used to be like a little village behind the board where guys could hold their mics.

00:50:56Marc:It was always interesting to see who was at the cutting edge of how many, what their mics look like and how...

00:51:01Guest:Yeah, the technology was crazy, huh?

00:51:03Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:51:03Guest:Dudes would come with like full-blown systems.

00:51:06Guest:They got like a Neve board with them and stuff like, yeah, I'm coming in with this.

00:51:10Guest:Hey, dude, what are you recording, man?

00:51:13Marc:Other guys with just a Walkman?

00:51:15Marc:Yeah, yeah, holding it up.

00:51:16Marc:Yeah.

00:51:16Marc:And what other bootlegs do you collect?

00:51:19Guest:Stones.

00:51:19Guest:I got a shitload of stones.

00:51:21Guest:I got all of the 72 tour.

00:51:23Guest:You do?

00:51:24Guest:Yeah, I'll burn them for you.

00:51:25Guest:Whatever you want.

00:51:26Guest:Come over.

00:51:27Guest:Bring your computer.

00:51:27Guest:You can have them all.

00:51:28Guest:The 72 stones tour.

00:51:30Marc:That was a good one, right?

00:51:31Guest:That's the best tour.

00:51:32Guest:That's Exile.

00:51:33Guest:There's no better tour than that for Stones.

00:51:35Guest:Yeah.

00:51:36Guest:You can see a lot of it on Crossfire Hurricane.

00:51:38Marc:I saw them in 81.

00:51:39Marc:That was the only time I saw them.

00:51:40Guest:Yeah, Tattoo You.

00:51:41Marc:Yeah, at Madison Square Garden.

00:51:42Guest:Yeah, I saw Candlestick.

00:51:44Marc:That was the last Bill tour, I think.

00:51:46Guest:That's right.

00:51:46Guest:Bill Graham is just a god to me.

00:51:49Marc:No, Bill Wyman.

00:51:50Guest:Also Bill Graham.

00:51:52Guest:After that, Michael Cole steals the stones from him and it kind of steals Bill's heart.

00:51:57Marc:What was the big change?

00:51:59Guest:Well, they started battling over, bidding for the tours.

00:52:03Guest:Michael Cole against Bill Graham.

00:52:05Guest:Bill Graham was the guy that showed Mick Jagger.

00:52:08Guest:He had lunch with Mick Jagger and Oak and Coliseum.

00:52:12Guest:And said, I'll fill this whole stadium for you all the way across America.

00:52:16Guest:And Mick was like, no way.

00:52:17Guest:And he's like, yeah.

00:52:18Guest:And they did it.

00:52:19Guest:And then they did it again.

00:52:20Guest:And they did it again.

00:52:21Guest:Now other people are coming in and going like, wait a minute.

00:52:24Guest:We'll give you a better cut of the ticket.

00:52:26Guest:Let us do it.

00:52:26Guest:After Bill Graham had done the work.

00:52:29Guest:I mean, Michael Cole had done work too.

00:52:31Guest:He had been a...

00:52:33Marc:promoter with Harvey Weinstein back in the 70s in Boston yeah he did his work too and he's a smart man but I'm a it's kind of like football or what I'm Sam Fran I'm a Bill Graham man and Graham like just that within the history of music and that you're building out the the rock that we grew to love in the late 60s I mean yeah he was there's something about the film or in the whole mythology of the place it's just like it's better yeah it's the greatest thing in the world even if I didn't live it you didn't live it yeah but it was burned into our brain somehow

00:53:02Marc:especially you in san francisco i mean i can't imagine because like i'm i'm a little older than you and we we missed you know we just weren't old enough right to really have you know feel that explosion of music but we kind of we got the crashing wave of it and it rode us all the way through our adolescence so it's all we knew yeah and that's what we held on to but like there's something about our generation where it's like it's mythic to us and then these older boomers are like yeah i remember kind of yeah what do you mean yeah you kind of remember

00:53:29Guest:Yeah, they always say, like, one or two things, like, I saw Hendrix, and you're like, well, what was that like?

00:53:35Guest:You know what I mean?

00:53:35Guest:They go, oh, I mean, you know, Buddy Miles, you know, like, my buddy saw Hendrix on the Buddy Miles that one night, like, in New York, you know?

00:53:43Guest:He said, Buddy Miles was cool.

00:53:44Guest:Phil Maurice?

00:53:45Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:53:46Guest:With the Bandit Gypsy?

00:53:47Guest:Yeah, yeah, and they played on the New Year's Eve or whatever, they played Machine Gun.

00:53:50Guest:Yeah.

00:53:51Guest:You know, I think it just hits people different.

00:53:54Marc:I just got that box.

00:53:55Marc:Someone gave me the box of all of those.

00:53:57Marc:All the Band of Gypsy ones.

00:53:58Guest:So great.

00:53:58Marc:Every night for that run.

00:54:00Guest:Buddy Miles was amazing, man.

00:54:02Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:03Guest:And Billy Cox.

00:54:04Marc:Yeah.

00:54:04Guest:You know?

00:54:05Guest:Yeah.

00:54:05Guest:I mean, without music, I'm nothing.

00:54:08Guest:It's completely my life.

00:54:10Marc:Did you ever meet Bill Graham?

00:54:11Guest:I met Bill Graham three times.

00:54:14Guest:I used to go to those Day on the Greens, and Day on the Green is why I'm alive.

00:54:18Guest:I remember my mom in 78 took me to see.

00:54:21Guest:This is the first show I saw.

00:54:23Guest:78, September 2nd.

00:54:25Guest:It was Day on the Green 5.

00:54:26Guest:The opening band was Cheap Trick.

00:54:29Guest:The next band was ACDC.

00:54:31Guest:What year?

00:54:32Guest:78, Power Rage Tour.

00:54:34Guest:Oh, that's the best record.

00:54:35Guest:Oh, it's unbelievable.

00:54:36Guest:Next band was Journey.

00:54:38Guest:First show with Steve Perry.

00:54:40Marc:Right.

00:54:40Guest:Infinity hadn't come out about a week before Infinity.

00:54:44Marc:I saw Journey and ACDC around that time when I was in high school in New Mexico.

00:54:47Guest:Yeah, they kind of did that tour, like they do the same tour.

00:54:50Marc:I thought they were opening for Journey, but I talked to the bass player of Journey, and he said that they were opening for ACDC.

00:54:57Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:54:58Guest:Well, the show I saw was Cheap Trick, ACDC, Journey.

00:55:02Guest:Well, that's because they were local guys.

00:55:03Guest:That's right.

00:55:04Guest:Blue Oyster Cult.

00:55:05Marc:Yeah.

00:55:06Guest:And Ted Nugent.

00:55:06Marc:Yeah.

00:55:07Guest:And Ted Nugent was like a god to me at the time.

00:55:11Guest:That Double Live Gonzo record.

00:55:12Marc:Sure, man.

00:55:13Marc:I ended up seeing him like two or three times when I was in high school.

00:55:15Guest:I mean, he's such a dick now.

00:55:17Guest:Yeah.

00:55:17Guest:I can't believe it.

00:55:18Guest:But back then, the magnitude of just like...

00:55:25Guest:And they're just going, what the fuck?

00:55:28Guest:I mean, I couldn't believe it.

00:55:29Guest:Oaken calls Sam 60,000 people.

00:55:33Guest:So I'd go to all these shows that Bill did.

00:55:35Marc:He had that wall of marshals, didn't he?

00:55:38Guest:No fenders.

00:55:38Guest:He used those weird fender...

00:55:40Guest:Showmans or whatever.

00:55:42Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:42Guest:Because they were 200 watts.

00:55:43Guest:But there was like 10 of them, right?

00:55:45Guest:Yeah.

00:55:46Guest:Their cream color.

00:55:47Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:48Guest:And then he would just destroy.

00:55:50Guest:But that day changed my life because I saw ACDC and I was like, oh, that's what I'm going to do.

00:55:55Guest:Yeah.

00:55:56Guest:I couldn't believe it.

00:55:57Marc:They were the best, man.

00:55:58Guest:Oh, Bon Scott.

00:55:59Guest:The best.

00:56:00Guest:You know?

00:56:00Guest:Yeah.

00:56:00Guest:But I met Bill.

00:56:01Guest:I remember I was out front.

00:56:03Guest:We were in our car drinking, and he came up.

00:56:05Guest:He's in a golf cart, and he goes, hey, you assholes, go in or get out of here.

00:56:10Guest:He was cruising the lot?

00:56:12Guest:Yeah, he cruised the lot to make sure there was no trouble.

00:56:14Guest:Bill Graham.

00:56:14Guest:That's how he was, man.

00:56:15Guest:He would do it all.

00:56:16Guest:He was one of those guys that did all the work.

00:56:19Guest:You know what I mean?

00:56:20Guest:Make sure people weren't fucking around.

00:56:21Guest:Yeah.

00:56:21Guest:Then next time I met him was at Sparky's Diner late night.

00:56:26Guest:In the Castro.

00:56:26Guest:Yeah.

00:56:27Guest:I said, hey, you know what, Bill, man?

00:56:29Guest:You're the reason I'm alive.

00:56:30Guest:And he said, thanks, man.

00:56:31Guest:Thanks.

00:56:32Guest:Get out of here.

00:56:32Guest:I'm eating.

00:56:34Guest:He was always like funny guy, you know, like mean.

00:56:36Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:37Guest:And the last time I saw him, I never forgot it.

00:56:40Guest:I saw him at the shoreline.

00:56:41Guest:I was backstage.

00:56:42Guest:And then he was dead about a month later.

00:56:45Guest:yeah tragic man oh god brutal man that Huey Lewis concert it was pouring rain they I mean they told him I mean I read the book but they told him to to ride the car home but he's like nah I'm taking the copter and it was storming and that you know that road out of there you know they got the power lines and yeah and Stevie Ray was in there who else was in there

00:57:06Guest:Stevie Ray wasn't in there.

00:57:07Guest:He was on his own.

00:57:08Guest:Stevie Ray was in a separate crash.

00:57:10Guest:He was on his own.

00:57:11Guest:He was leaving Huey Lewis in the news.

00:57:12Guest:He had a meeting out there.

00:57:14Guest:His pilot flew in Vietnam.

00:57:15Guest:It was his personal pilot.

00:57:16Guest:He had him everywhere.

00:57:17Guest:They left Concord Pavilion.

00:57:20Guest:They were flying out.

00:57:21Guest:It was storming.

00:57:22Guest:He couldn't see.

00:57:23Guest:He went down low, and he hit the power lines, and the thing exploded, just arced on there.

00:57:28Guest:So much voltage that the helicopter...

00:57:30Guest:stayed on that fucking thing oh my god yeah that fucked me up for a while actually because I mean you know I want to do a film on Bill you know if I ever made money it would be the first thing I did do you know his kid

00:57:45Guest:I don't know his kid.

00:57:47Guest:I met him once on the Blues Traveler Tour, but I don't know him good.

00:57:50Marc:Yeah.

00:57:50Guest:But I want to do a film on him or a documentary on the Day in the Greens.

00:57:54Marc:I guess there hasn't been one, has there?

00:57:55Guest:No, and the guy changed the concert world.

00:57:58Marc:Yeah, he changed everything.

00:57:59Marc:He changed the world.

00:58:00Guest:He did change the world, actually.

00:58:01Guest:I mean, I saw shows that saved my life just because you're just like, ah.

00:58:06Marc:Yeah, what's the point?

00:58:07Guest:Yeah, and then you go to a show and you go, I'm going to keep going.

00:58:10Guest:Yeah.

00:58:10Guest:You know what I mean?

00:58:11Guest:Yeah.

00:58:12Guest:It's like when you have a bad set doing comedy.

00:58:15Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:58:15Guest:And then you have a good one.

00:58:16Guest:You go, thank God.

00:58:17Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:58:17Marc:Day to day, man.

00:58:18Marc:Week to week.

00:58:19Marc:So you come back from four years with the Stones.

00:58:22Marc:Four years with the Stones.

00:58:23Marc:And you only talked to Keith once?

00:58:25Guest:No.

00:58:26Guest:I got a great one last Keith story.

00:58:28Guest:You can as many as you want.

00:58:29Guest:I was in New York.

00:58:31Guest:What?

00:58:32Guest:jersey that uh where the giants yeah i remember i went out the side door real quick and i uh it was during the day and i i go fuck door locked on me yeah god damn it and this guy goes you got to go all the way around to the back i go dude i was just in he's like you got to go around the back one of the dick union security guys i'm like are you kidding me he's all no

00:58:53Guest:I'm like, fuck you.

00:58:55Guest:So I walk all the way around Meadowlands or whatever, and I get to the back, and there's a long ramp where the buses and cars come in, and I'm walking down, and I hear this car behind me, and it's coming.

00:59:06Guest:So I step to the right because I can hear it coming.

00:59:09Guest:Yeah.

00:59:10Guest:I don't look to see what it is.

00:59:11Guest:It's coming slow.

00:59:12Guest:And the window comes down, and I hear this, need a lift, mate?

00:59:15Guest:And I look, and it's Keith in a fucking Lincoln Town car.

00:59:19Guest:Yeah.

00:59:20Guest:And I go, yeah.

00:59:22Yeah.

00:59:22Guest:And I get in the fucking car.

00:59:24Guest:It's a true story.

00:59:25Guest:And roll right into the venue with Keith Richards.

00:59:28Guest:And when the door opens, he gets out and then I get out.

00:59:31Guest:People are like, what the fuck?

00:59:33Guest:It looks like I just rolled in from New York City with him, you know?

00:59:36Guest:People are like, what are you doing?

00:59:42I'm like, I don't know.

00:59:42Guest:Did he know who you were at that point?

00:59:44Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:59:44Guest:I'd been on the tour a long time by then.

00:59:47Guest:It was like the third year.

00:59:48Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:49Guest:But I never forgot it.

00:59:51Guest:In my mind, I'm like, I made a car with fucking Keith Richards.

00:59:55Guest:Did you talk?

00:59:56Guest:I was just like, oh, hey, man.

00:59:58Guest:He's like, hey.

00:59:59Guest:You don't know what to say to Keith Richards.

01:00:03Guest:It's like when I met CK.

01:00:05Guest:I can't really talk to Louis CK.

01:00:07Guest:What am I going to do?

01:00:08Guest:Hey.

01:00:09Guest:You know what I mean?

01:00:10Guest:You're Zeppelin to me.

01:00:13Guest:It's like when I saw you, I was like, oh no, there's Marin.

01:00:16Guest:I'm going to go talk to him.

01:00:18Guest:And then you walk away like, what an idiot I am.

01:00:22Guest:That's how you feel, though.

01:00:23Guest:Yeah.

01:00:23Guest:But, you know, I met Jeff Beck.

01:00:25Guest:Yeah.

01:00:26Guest:Prince William.

01:00:27Guest:Yeah.

01:00:27Guest:You know, you meet crazy dudes on tour.

01:00:30Guest:Ed Bradley, right before he passed.

01:00:31Guest:Yeah.

01:00:32Guest:Madison Square Garden.

01:00:32Guest:Yeah.

01:00:33Guest:I'm a huge 60 Minutes freak.

01:00:36Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:00:36Guest:Ed Bradley was just like, I always dreamed, like, oh, I'll get famous, and Ed Bradley will interview me.

01:00:42Guest:That's what, you know?

01:00:43Guest:I loved how he'd go out to, like, Willie Nelson's house, smoke a joint with him, and talk to him.

01:00:48Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:49Guest:So I met a lot of great guys on the tour.

01:00:51Marc:What did you say to Ed Bradley?

01:00:52Guest:Ed Bradley, man, I said, you know what?

01:00:54Guest:I've been watching 60 Minutes since I was like 10.

01:00:57Guest:I don't even know why.

01:00:58Guest:I don't know why.

01:00:59Guest:One day I watched it.

01:01:02Guest:I just loved how they would just 60 Minutes, man, and Johnny Carson were my shows.

01:01:07Guest:Yeah.

01:01:08Guest:That's all I watched.

01:01:09Guest:You don't even know why.

01:01:10Guest:I don't know why.

01:01:10Guest:Did you say that to him?

01:01:12Guest:Yeah, I said, I don't know why, man.

01:01:13Guest:I've been watching you since I was 10.

01:01:15Guest:I love you.

01:01:15Guest:And you know what?

01:01:16Guest:He died a few months later.

01:01:17Guest:What did he say to you?

01:01:18Guest:And he looked totally normal.

01:01:19Guest:He's like, all right, what do you do?

01:01:20Guest:I go, I work for the Stones.

01:01:22Guest:And we started talking music.

01:01:23Guest:He's way into jazz.

01:01:25Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:01:25Guest:He's way into New Orleans.

01:01:26Guest:I talked voodoo fest with him.

01:01:28Guest:Yeah.

01:01:28Guest:You know, I talked about going out to New Orleans.

01:01:31Guest:And he was into it, man.

01:01:32Guest:He was so cool.

01:01:33Guest:Yeah.

01:01:34Guest:I love 60 Minutes.

01:01:35Marc:What the hell is voodoo fest?

01:01:37Marc:What's voodoo fest?

01:01:37Guest:Buddha Fest is a festival in New Orleans every Halloween.

01:01:41Guest:They just have all kinds of great bands.

01:01:43Guest:It's different.

01:01:44Guest:It's more rock.

01:01:45Marc:Did you meet Johnny Thunders?

01:01:47Guest:I never met Johnny Thunders.

01:01:48Guest:The thing is, I'm not a punk guy.

01:01:51Guest:I like three punk bands.

01:01:52Guest:I worship The Clash.

01:01:55Guest:I loved Devo growing up.

01:01:57Guest:I saw Devo at the Mabue Gardens in the yellow suits.

01:02:01Guest:I was like, what the fuck?

01:02:03Guest:fuck is this and i followed devo from the day on man i swear i i saw devo every tour man you name it fuck and i saw him petaluma phoenix theater you didn't know why i didn't know why it was just skateboards they were playing at the skate parks they were in the yellow suits like

01:02:22Guest:you know choco homo and i was like what the fuck is that and that bougie boy guy yeah yeah fuck i was into it i was just into art shit man you know and that's what they were yellow bags who was doing that nobody and they were cool as fuck yeah yeah i met the ramones i loved the ramones i met the ramones which lineup

01:02:42Guest:It was that Ku Klux Klan or KKK took my baby away record.

01:02:48Guest:It's got like a monster with like wires.

01:02:50Marc:So it was Joey and Didi and Johnny.

01:02:53Guest:It was the dudes back in like probably 83, 82.

01:02:56Marc:So Didi was there?

01:02:57Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:02:58Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:02:58Guest:Yeah.

01:02:58Guest:They invited me to a hotel.

01:02:59Guest:They stayed at Motel 6 in Petaluma.

01:03:03Guest:I never forgot.

01:03:03Guest:I was like, these guys are kind of- Dirty.

01:03:06Guest:Well, they were kind of seemed- I was like, are they-

01:03:09Guest:fucked up i didn't know what was up with them because they just like like weird dudes yeah well didi must have been strung out yeah yeah i mean you could just tell i was a kid and they were just adults on drugs you know what i mean like they were just in their own world yeah yeah so what so so you come back and then you went what was the decision to do comedy what was that

01:03:32Guest:You know, like all my life I wanted to do comedy.

01:03:35Marc:Yeah.

01:03:35Guest:My whole life.

01:03:36Marc:Yeah.

01:03:36Guest:I just didn't know how to get into it.

01:03:38Guest:It was like an adult thing.

01:03:39Guest:I was growing up in San Fran and like Bobby Slayton.

01:03:42Guest:Bobby Slayton.

01:03:43Guest:Yeah.

01:03:43Guest:Hey, kid.

01:03:44Guest:Yeah.

01:03:45Guest:Hey, kid.

01:03:45Guest:I told him recently, I go, my mom loved you, man.

01:03:48Guest:He goes, fuck you.

01:03:49Guest:You just made me sound old.

01:03:51Guest:But Bobby Slayton, Bobcat.

01:03:55Guest:Yeah.

01:03:55Guest:Carrie Snow.

01:03:56Guest:Alex Bennett morning show crew.

01:03:58Guest:Yeah, my mom was way into that.

01:04:00Guest:Yeah.

01:04:00Marc:Steve Pearl.

01:04:01Guest:Yeah.

01:04:02Marc:Remember they had that contest, like some guy Tree won?

01:04:05Marc:Yeah, Tree.

01:04:06Marc:I remember Tree.

01:04:06Marc:I did the competition.

01:04:08Marc:Tree was with the bondage gear, the leather dude.

01:04:12Guest:Yeah.

01:04:12Marc:And he fucking smoked for a while.

01:04:14Guest:He was the king of San Fran.

01:04:15Guest:Yeah, I don't know what happened to that guy.

01:04:17Guest:And that 80s boom, like you talked to Bud Freeman about.

01:04:20Guest:Yeah.

01:04:20Guest:I was in the middle of that.

01:04:22Marc:Kevin Meany and DeGeneres.

01:04:23Guest:Yeah.

01:04:24Guest:Carrie Snow.

01:04:25Marc:Carrie Snow.

01:04:25Marc:And who were the other?

01:04:26Marc:Steve Pearl.

01:04:27Guest:Robin Williams.

01:04:28Marc:Yeah.

01:04:29Marc:And there was other one.

01:04:31Marc:Dr. Gonzo.

01:04:32Marc:Yeah.

01:04:33Guest:But I never would go to comedy.

01:04:35Guest:Next door to the Punchline, they had a rock club called The Old Waldorf.

01:04:38Guest:And I saw fucking ACDC in there.

01:04:41Guest:I saw Motley Crue.

01:04:43Marc:Where was the Punchline?

01:04:44Marc:That was before the Embarcadero?

01:04:45Guest:It's in the Embarcadero.

01:04:47Guest:But next to it, they had the same building.

01:04:49Guest:It was a mirror of the Punchline.

01:04:50Guest:It was called Old Waldorf.

01:04:51Guest:Bill Graham owned it.

01:04:52Guest:It was Rock Club.

01:04:54Guest:Fucking amazing.

01:04:55Guest:It was tiny, right?

01:04:56Guest:Yeah, it was tiny, but the biggest bands coming up would play it.

01:04:59Guest:Then later, they moved to Wolfgang's, which was a Columbus that burned down.

01:05:03Guest:Now it's Cobbs.

01:05:04Marc:Right.

01:05:04Guest:But Old Waldorf and then Punchline would be next door.

01:05:08Guest:And I wanted to do comedy.

01:05:10Guest:I met Bill Cosby when I was 11.

01:05:12Guest:He brought me on stage.

01:05:13Guest:at the Schultz Arena.

01:05:15Guest:Really?

01:05:15Guest:Yeah, where Charles Schultz drew Snoopy.

01:05:18Guest:Yeah.

01:05:19Guest:I played hockey there, and they had Bill Cosby come, and I was way into Fat Albert.

01:05:24Guest:Yeah.

01:05:24Guest:And I went to the bathroom, and when I came out, he was coming on.

01:05:27Guest:He goes, where are you going?

01:05:29Guest:I go, oh, back to my seat.

01:05:30Guest:He's like, you're going on stage with me.

01:05:32Guest:And I was like, what?

01:05:33Guest:Yeah.

01:05:33Guest:And there was this huge stuffed Snoopy, and he goes, and carry that.

01:05:37Guest:So I'm like, this kid, 11, carrying this huge Snoopy, and I brought it on, and the stuffing was bad, so the neck kept going, and he was like, you broke him.

01:05:45Guest:And I knew what he was doing.

01:05:46Guest:I started playing along with it, and I'd set it back up.

01:05:48Guest:He goes, you broke him again.

01:05:50Guest:The crowd's going crazy.

01:05:51Guest:My mom's like, what?

01:05:52Guest:What's he doing up there?

01:05:55Guest:And after, this is a classic story, he signed a $5 bill and said, you're going to be funny.

01:05:59Guest:Yeah.

01:06:00Guest:When I was 18, I spent that $5 bill on cigarettes.

01:06:05Guest:I never got it.

01:06:06Guest:It was my last five.

01:06:07Guest:And I went back to the store and went, hey, man, I gave you a five about an hour ago, dude.

01:06:10Guest:I need that back.

01:06:12Guest:And he's like, oh, sonny, buddy, it's gone.

01:06:13Guest:I'm like, no, I need that fucking five back.

01:06:16Guest:Yeah.

01:06:16Guest:I was such a loser.

01:06:18Marc:I couldn't get it.

01:06:19Marc:It's gone.

01:06:20Marc:Did you have another five?

01:06:21Marc:You just wanted him to give you that one back.

01:06:22Guest:I just wanted it back.

01:06:23Guest:It was my corner store.

01:06:24Guest:And I was like, oh, I just gave away the five Bill Cosby's autograph on it.

01:06:29Guest:I had it forever.

01:06:30Guest:Were you high?

01:06:31Guest:I wasn't high, but I was a cigarette junkie, man.

01:06:33Guest:You know, like, I need smokes.

01:06:35Guest:Fuck you.

01:06:35Guest:You know what I mean?

01:06:37Marc:You smoke cigarettes?

01:06:37Marc:Fuck yeah.

01:06:38Guest:Gotta have your smokes.

01:06:41Guest:So I meet Bill Cosby and then I say, ah, fuck.

01:06:44Guest:I can't do comedy.

01:06:45Guest:I don't know how to get into it, but I'm way into Saturday Night Live, the first era.

01:06:50Guest:I'm way into fucking Sanford and Son.

01:06:52Guest:I'm into Chico and the man.

01:06:54Guest:I'm into all that.

01:06:55Guest:I started playing rock with the neighbor kids.

01:06:58Guest:And then, you know, I see Dice Man.

01:07:01Guest:I start hanging at the store in the 80s after my gigs.

01:07:04Guest:Kinnison, my buddy's selling Blow.

01:07:06Guest:Which guy?

01:07:08Guest:You wouldn't know him because he lived in San Fran.

01:07:12Guest:He would come down.

01:07:13Marc:Oh, this was later because I was there.

01:07:14Guest:Like 88, 89.

01:07:16Marc:No, yeah, I was there just before.

01:07:18Marc:I must have just got out.

01:07:19Marc:I was 87, 88.

01:07:20Guest:Yeah, it was like when GNR was hit huge.

01:07:22Marc:Yeah, yeah, no, I just missed that.

01:07:24Guest:And my buddy was dating a waitress there, so we'd go on Monday nights and Dice would come on and just rip people till they left.

01:07:30Guest:And I was like, wow, this is fucking crazy.

01:07:33Guest:Still into comedy again.

01:07:36Guest:Like, God damn it, this is cool rock star comedy.

01:07:39Guest:Sam Kinison.

01:07:39Guest:Sure, man.

01:07:40Guest:Kinison was just a god to me.

01:07:42Marc:Oh, yeah, Monday nights, man.

01:07:43Guest:I never forgot it.

01:07:44Guest:And I can't even tell you who else went on.

01:07:46Guest:And I was there all the time.

01:07:47Guest:I was like, oh, Kennison and Dice.

01:07:50Guest:And there was other dudes.

01:07:51Marc:But that was their time.

01:07:52Guest:That was the magnitude.

01:07:53Marc:It was like 87 was Kennison and then 88 was Dice.

01:07:56Marc:Unbelievable.

01:07:58Guest:And then I played music all my life.

01:08:00Guest:And then I met Jay Davis when I first moved to LA.

01:08:04Guest:And he was doing Dublin.

01:08:05Guest:So I went by a couple times.

01:08:06Guest:Cool.

01:08:06Guest:Right on.

01:08:07Guest:But after I stopped playing music, I was sitting home and I would go to Jay's shows at the Laugh Factory.

01:08:14Guest:Yeah.

01:08:14Guest:I was like, I started watching, man.

01:08:16Guest:I saw Louis C.K.

01:08:17Guest:Yeah.

01:08:18Guest:Dove Davidoff.

01:08:19Guest:Yeah.

01:08:20Guest:Daniel Tosh.

01:08:21Guest:Yeah.

01:08:22Guest:These dudes, I was like, this is fucking killer.

01:08:24Guest:Like a whole new thing.

01:08:26Guest:Yeah.

01:08:26Guest:I'm going to do this.

01:08:27Guest:But I didn't know how.

01:08:28Guest:I waited a couple of years.

01:08:30Guest:I still didn't know how.

01:08:31Guest:Yeah.

01:08:31Guest:And then I did a movie with Earthquake.

01:08:34Guest:Yeah.

01:08:35Marc:He's the best, right?

01:08:37Guest:Yeah.

01:08:37Guest:What do you got?

01:08:38Guest:Long time in the stands, a football movie with Ice Cube.

01:08:41Guest:And I go, how do I do it?

01:08:43Guest:And for two months, he was like, you got to go do this.

01:08:46Guest:Open mics.

01:08:47Guest:You got to write.

01:08:48Guest:you gotta do this and that and when i got off i hit the ground running yeah i called earthquake a year later and said hey uh i've been doing it he goes come do my show at the comedy and then i went in i had a pretty good set he's like man i didn't think you're gonna listen to that i told you you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah but i hit the ground i've been doing it three years now and uh uh almost 1500 shows

01:09:13Marc:You're clocking it.

01:09:14Guest:I am clocking it because I really wanted to know where I was getting.

01:09:20Guest:I was doing three, four shows a night.

01:09:22Guest:Keep writing.

01:09:23Guest:I write.

01:09:24Guest:That's the hard part now because I really enjoy the new guys.

01:09:29Guest:Not new guys, but the way the new era of new shit, like Bill Burr, CK, they got these new hours and stuff.

01:09:37Guest:That puts a lot of pressure on me because I want to be new stuff.

01:09:42Marc:Well, you should get your first good hour.

01:09:46Guest:Yeah.

01:09:46Guest:I know.

01:09:47Marc:You're right.

01:09:48Marc:You know how it is when you're on stage.

01:09:50Marc:Yeah, but I mean, in that first period, in that first six years, you're building your first hour.

01:09:56Marc:Yeah.

01:09:56Marc:That's that.

01:09:57Marc:None of those guys, they're writing new hours now because they know who they are and what they do.

01:10:01Guest:Yeah.

01:10:01Marc:But I mean, for the first six years, we were all working towards that first hour, dude.

01:10:05Marc:Go easy on yourself.

01:10:06Guest:I know.

01:10:07Guest:I'm weird, dude, man.

01:10:08Guest:Like...

01:10:09Guest:I get on, and I know there's comics in the back, and in my mind, it's this.

01:10:14Guest:He's going to go do that fucking joke.

01:10:16Marc:You know what?

01:10:16Marc:That is the fucking biggest curse.

01:10:19Guest:It is.

01:10:19Marc:Because I was that guy, too.

01:10:22Marc:I used to get on stage, and if any of them, back in New York, if any of them were in the room, if Hotel was in the room, I'd be like, get out.

01:10:28Marc:I got to work.

01:10:29Marc:I can't worry about you guys.

01:10:30Marc:Yeah.

01:10:31Marc:I can't.

01:10:32Marc:I got to figure out how to keep being funny.

01:10:33Marc:I can't worry whether or not you guys are going to laugh or whether you're going to judge me.

01:10:37Marc:Yeah, I mean, yeah, you got to fucking just cut loose.

01:10:40Marc:It's hard, huh?

01:10:41Marc:No, it's the worst because, you know, those are your peers.

01:10:44Marc:Yeah.

01:10:44Marc:And, you know, it's not so much you want to make them laugh.

01:10:47Marc:You just want to make them see like, yeah, right.

01:10:50Marc:Oh, he's doing new shit or whatever.

01:10:52Marc:That's right.

01:10:53Marc:You know, because you've been in the back of the room where you're like, oh, this guy with the same four jokes.

01:10:57Marc:Yeah.

01:10:57Marc:Fuck.

01:10:58Marc:I don't be that guy.

01:10:59Marc:But for me, it was more like, you know, I didn't think I was as funny as them.

01:11:02Marc:So I didn't want them judging me because it was hard enough for me to worry about the fucking audience.

01:11:07Marc:Yep.

01:11:07Marc:Yeah, I got to worry about Louis or Attell or anybody sitting in the back of the room.

01:11:11Marc:Like, fuck it.

01:11:11Marc:It's brutal.

01:11:12Marc:I don't think about it anymore.

01:11:13Marc:I don't know when that happened.

01:11:15Guest:Yeah, you know, like I've been lucky, man.

01:11:18Guest:I met Ian Edwards.

01:11:19Guest:Yeah, he's a great guy.

01:11:20Guest:I think he's like the funniest guy on the planet.

01:11:23Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:25Guest:He started taking me on the road.

01:11:26Guest:Yeah.

01:11:27Guest:And I met Eric Griffin from the Workaholics.

01:11:29Guest:Yeah.

01:11:30Guest:I got really lucky because the younger guys were like, ah, fuck this guy.

01:11:35Guest:And I understand that.

01:11:36Guest:You'd come in like, who's this fucking asshole?

01:11:38Guest:I understand it.

01:11:39Guest:I'd be the same way if I was young.

01:11:41Guest:But I couldn't hang with the young guys because I don't smoke weed and I'm not young.

01:11:46Marc:And you're not a noodler.

01:11:47Marc:You're not like an alt-comedy noodler.

01:11:49Guest:That's right.

01:11:50Guest:And I didn't really understand what to do with the store.

01:11:55Guest:I got to the store, and I have six months to stay in there by myself.

01:11:59Marc:You didn't know what to do with the hateful door guys?

01:12:01Guest:Just anything, man.

01:12:02Guest:Guys are like, hey, don't fucking sit there.

01:12:04Guest:Hey, move out of there.

01:12:06Guest:What the fuck are you doing?

01:12:09Guest:But I was like, you know what, man?

01:12:11Guest:I want this.

01:12:13Guest:I wanted it because I really felt once I went on stage that my whole life I should have been a comedian.

01:12:18Guest:I can sing good, but I knew in the back of my head I loved the thing of me against the audience.

01:12:27Guest:And I really loved it.

01:12:28Guest:So I was like, it doesn't matter what you do.

01:12:30Guest:You can stab me with a knife.

01:12:31Guest:I'm not leaving.

01:12:33Guest:You know what?

01:12:33Guest:I'm not kidding, man.

01:12:34Guest:I'm going to fucking sit right here.

01:12:35Guest:This is the black hole.

01:12:36Marc:Well, just sitting with you right now, that sort of strange persistence you have is actually the most charming, funny thing that you have.

01:12:44Guest:yeah like with the balls to go up and ask you to be on your show when you get the balls not to worry about jokes that's going to be your day buddy yeah i'm i'm just trying to get there i'm trying to figure out how to be fun yeah i'm three years in yeah man you're doing great yeah it's it's you know i love you thanks i mean like i love there's five guys that i'll fucking i ride on a motorcycle i'll ride in the rain to watch

01:13:07Guest:That's the thing with music.

01:13:09Guest:If somebody could have said, hey, every day you get to go watch Zeppelin rehearse on Sunset Strip for free to sit in the back, fuck yeah, man.

01:13:20Guest:I would be there.

01:13:21Guest:And that's what it's like at the comments.

01:13:22Guest:Hey, you get to go see Marin.

01:13:25Guest:You could see CK, Bill Burr, Ian Edwards, Eric Griffin, even D'Elia.

01:13:32Guest:D'Elia helped me a lot, man.

01:13:34Guest:The guy was fucking, he was the first guy to talk to me.

01:13:36Guest:He came over, he was like, hey, what's going on?

01:13:38Guest:I was like, huh, what?

01:13:40Guest:i go what do you what do you do around here he goes just stay here every night for years don't leave and do as many sets as you can at night that's what delia told me i go okay i'm gonna do that yeah and that's what i did all right and he would be the only guy so since he talked to me other guys like that's delia's boy you know whatever you know you get those those teams but eventually like ian came around he's like i like your work ethic and then kevin christie

01:14:05Guest:yeah he's great i love kevin christie and neil brennan and and those are the guys i really want to hang out with anyway because i love their comedy and they're into good shit like music movies yeah uh we could talk art yeah i could talk kevin christie i could talk about painters from fucking you know that i saw like 20 years ago yeah he's sharp guy oh god we're doing great man i'm glad we talked and it wasn't about you know being a new comic

01:14:30Guest:you know what I can't believe I'm here and thanks for having me man I mean it's just blowing my mind to me this is the modern day Carson I really feel like that I feel that Chelsea lately and this are the best credits on the planet and I just love your show I listen to them all I haven't missed any of them I just dig it man it was great talking to you Dean thanks for having me man music music music music

01:14:57Marc:That's it.

01:14:58Marc:That was a party.

01:14:59Marc:That guy's a fucking blast.

01:15:01Marc:Is he not a blast?

01:15:03Marc:What a character.

01:15:04Marc:Love that guy.

01:15:05Marc:Hard not to love that guy.

01:15:06Marc:Dean Del Rey.

01:15:07Marc:Thanks for doing it.

01:15:08Marc:Look, go to WTFPod.com for all your WTFPod needs.

01:15:11Marc:Get on that mailing list.

01:15:13Marc:Leave a few comments.

01:15:14Marc:I'm about to shut the comment board down because there's like five people there that are just douchebags.

01:15:19Marc:I mean, it's like, I get it.

01:15:20Marc:That's what comment sections are, but unbelievable.

01:15:23Marc:Just relentless.

01:15:24Marc:Nah, I won't shut it down.

01:15:25Marc:I'll leave it open.

01:15:26Marc:Knock yourself out.

01:15:27Marc:Do what you got to do.

01:15:28Marc:Kick in a few shekels.

01:15:29Marc:Buy some merch.

01:15:30Marc:There's a new poster up there.

01:15:31Marc:The Wilbur poster that my buddy made is up there from the Wilbur last week.

01:15:38Marc:Hand screen.

01:15:39Marc:Beautiful poster now available.

01:15:41Marc:T-shirts are there.

01:15:41Marc:We're going to start phasing out a couple of the shirts.

01:15:45Marc:The Coop shirt's on its way out.

01:15:46Marc:Boomy lives.

01:15:47Marc:It's on his way out.

01:15:48Marc:So get those while you can.

01:15:50Marc:We'll see if we print more of those.

01:15:52Marc:Might come up with some new designs.

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01:15:57Marc:You get the WTF blend.

01:15:59Marc:I get a little bit on the back end.

01:16:02Marc:And as always, thank you for listening.

01:16:04Marc:I don't know if I say that enough.

01:16:06Marc:I don't know if I say that enough.

01:16:10Marc:Boomy lives.

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