Episode 307 - Tenacious D

Episode 307 • Released August 22, 2012 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Guest:All right, let's do this.

00:00:09Marc:How are you?

00:00:09Marc:What the fuckers?

00:00:10Marc:What the fuck buddies?

00:00:11Marc:What the fucking ears?

00:00:12Marc:What the fuck Nicks?

00:00:13Marc:What the fuck Adelix?

00:00:14Marc:What the fucking Okios?

00:00:15Marc:How's that one?

00:00:17Marc:I am Mark Maron.

00:00:18Marc:This is WTF.

00:00:19Marc:Thank you for joining me.

00:00:20Marc:I appreciate your presence.

00:00:22Marc:I appreciate me being allowed to be present in your ears at this moment.

00:00:27Marc:Amazing show today.

00:00:28Marc:Tenacious D is here.

00:00:29Marc:That's right.

00:00:30Marc:Jack and Kyle are here.

00:00:31Marc:They're going to be here.

00:00:34Marc:It's a fucking awesome conversation, jam session.

00:00:39Marc:I love those guys, and I'm thrilled that I have them on the show today.

00:00:44Marc:I didn't get a chance to do this before, but I want to thank the lovely people of Victoria, BC, and Esquimalt.

00:00:52Marc:Esquimalt?

00:00:53Marc:It's Esquimalt.

00:00:54Marc:Yeah.

00:00:55Marc:I was just up there for the Blue Ridge Comedy Festival last weekend.

00:00:58Marc:Didn't get to talk to you about it.

00:01:00Marc:A couple of things happened that I didn't think ever would happen in my life.

00:01:04Marc:One of them being I performed in a curling rink.

00:01:08Marc:Now, I'm a guy I never thought I would ever be in a curling rink.

00:01:11Marc:I'm not sure that I even really acknowledged in my reality frame that curling rinks existed.

00:01:19Marc:Curling is that sport, as many of you know, that they slide large rocks along the ice.

00:01:26Marc:And of course, the most exciting part of curling is the guy with the broom in front of the sliding rocks.

00:01:32Marc:now when i got up there to the esquimalt curling uh center or rink uh i i didn't know what to expect i didn't you know it was a large place where they have an ice sport it was a large cement box where the sound bounced around and

00:01:51Marc:quite effectively to the detriment of the people in the back of the room hearing clearly what anyone would say so it's sort of an interesting thing there was a there's a couple things going on with me which was like hey well it's kind of cool to be in a curling rink in a way yeah not cool but yeah i again never thought i'd be in one and holy shit uh i'm standing in the back of the room there's someone on stage and i can't understand a fucking thing they're saying so then all of a sudden you go into all right troubleshooting mode

00:02:18Marc:It's sort of a difficult thing when you're a comic where you're like, this is going to be great.

00:02:21Marc:And you get there.

00:02:22Marc:It's like, oh, I got to get through this.

00:02:25Marc:But it went it went fine.

00:02:27Marc:I'm not sure if anybody in the back half of the room understood anything I was saying, but I tried to pace myself.

00:02:32Marc:I literally tried to push my jokes out into the audience as if they were curling rocks.

00:02:38Marc:And I was just waiting with a broom, sweeping, sweeping behind the jokes and

00:02:44Marc:Quickly, hoping that they would just make their way to the back of the room.

00:02:49Marc:But it was great.

00:02:50Marc:The following night, I played at a small club.

00:02:52Marc:It was called the Upstairs Cabaret.

00:02:53Marc:And we packed it out with WTFers.

00:02:56Marc:I want to thank all the WTFers up there in Victoria.

00:02:59Marc:for for coming out for that because it turned out to be you know just a great show and of course i talk about doing the curling rink because it's a it's a much more intimate situation i'm killing i talk about doing the curling rink and then i make a joke about how this has got to be the least dangerous sport ever i mean how could you possibly get hurt curling and that gets a laugh and then some woman in the crowd goes a korean kid lost four fingers

00:03:25Marc:This is in the middle of a comedy show.

00:03:27Marc:This is not an upbeat story.

00:03:29Marc:Even the pitch was not upbeat.

00:03:31Marc:I mean, if that's the pitch, it's not, you know, it's not a funny story.

00:03:34Marc:Kind of funny, but not really.

00:03:36Marc:So I said, what are you talking about?

00:03:38Marc:And she said he tried to stop the stones or the rocks or whatever they're called from hitting each other with his hand and his hand went between the rocks and he lost four fingers.

00:03:48Marc:And it was just one of those moments where I'm like, okay, great.

00:03:52Marc:So back to the jokes.

00:03:55Marc:Oh, my God.

00:03:56Marc:Just horrible.

00:03:58Marc:I don't know how you explain that.

00:03:59Marc:I don't know how I felt bad for the kid, but I guess that's the liability is that I guess just in a general advice kind of way, if you're curling, if you're new to it and you're just saying like, yeah, I got this, don't try to stop the stones or the rocks or whatever they're called.

00:04:21Marc:And if you're sweeping, you just stay on top of it.

00:04:25Marc:Don't hurt yourself.

00:04:26Marc:I guess that's what I learned.

00:04:28Marc:And then I generally spent most of the weekend not going around and seeing the sights and just sitting in my room.

00:04:34Marc:It was a beautiful room.

00:04:36Marc:It was a beautiful situation.

00:04:37Marc:The shows were good.

00:04:38Marc:I wish Dan, the guy who runs the festival, the best of luck up there.

00:04:42Marc:It's a lovely place.

00:04:43Marc:I wish I got out more, but I was literally in my room.

00:04:47Marc:and right outside i saw the water apparently there are whales that you can go see if you have that time but right outside i could see the water i could see the the blue bridge uh that the comedy festival is named after and then you know i was sitting at my desk looking out that window seeing the the lovely day outside and on my desk i saw my computer

00:05:10Marc:On the screen was pornography.

00:05:13Marc:And I had a choice.

00:05:14Marc:I had a choice.

00:05:15Marc:I was going back and forth, Blue Bridge, outdoors, take a walk, have some fudge, maybe buy a hat, perhaps a belt, which you will eventually buy, or just stay in here and be that guy in a recreational summer town on a beautiful day watching porn.

00:05:31Marc:It was a tough call, folks.

00:05:33Marc:Tough call.

00:05:34Marc:I'd like to say that I did the right thing.

00:05:36Marc:I would, but I did not.

00:05:39Marc:Let's call Mike Birbiglia.

00:05:45Marc:Hello?

00:05:46Marc:Mike Birbiglia, Mark Maron.

00:05:48Guest:Hey, Mark.

00:05:49Marc:It's always good to hear from you.

00:05:51Marc:You know, is it, Mike?

00:05:55Guest:It is, actually.

00:05:56Guest:I love hearing from you.

00:05:57Marc:Is that preemptive?

00:05:58Marc:Are you just disarming me with your charm out of the gate?

00:06:02Guest:You know...

00:06:03Guest:Despite your best efforts, you are beloved.

00:06:07Marc:All right.

00:06:08Marc:All right.

00:06:08Marc:I'll take it.

00:06:10Marc:As are you.

00:06:11Marc:As are you.

00:06:12Marc:You are the precious golden boy of the comedy world.

00:06:16Guest:You know, that's really backhanded.

00:06:18Guest:The word precious obviously has negative implications.

00:06:21Guest:All right.

00:06:22Guest:I think Golden Boy is friendly, but not complimentary.

00:06:26Guest:But precious is like you're trying to put me in twee territory.

00:06:30Marc:All right.

00:06:31Marc:You're right.

00:06:32Marc:Say something nice, Mark.

00:06:34Guest:Why don't you say something nice?

00:06:36Guest:How about you say the nicest thing you can think of about me, and I'll say the nicest thing I can think of about you.

00:06:41Guest:How about that?

00:06:41Marc:Okay.

00:06:43Marc:You know, we were out in Sundance with your movie that I have a role in, and I sat and watched it twice, and I enjoyed it both times, and it had nothing to do with me.

00:06:55Marc:I wasn't sitting there waiting to see me.

00:06:57Marc:Right out of the gate, I watched you on screen, and you got laughs, and you were great at your acting, and you made a great movie, and you were very funny.

00:07:08Guest:Thank you.

00:07:09Guest:And I'll give you my compliment of you later.

00:07:12Guest:I'm busy.

00:07:14Guest:That was a setup.

00:07:15Guest:I walked right into that.

00:07:18Guest:I'm just kidding.

00:07:18Guest:No, can I give you my compliment of you?

00:07:21Guest:Yeah, that's fine.

00:07:22Guest:Can I do that?

00:07:22Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:07:23Guest:Every time I watch your stand-up, I'm reminded, oh my God, not only is Mark doing this incredible podcast, which I tell people about constantly if they don't know about it, but...

00:07:37Guest:He's still killing it as a comedian.

00:07:40Guest:Like, you always make me think.

00:07:41Guest:You always make me laugh, really belly laugh hard.

00:07:45Marc:Oh, my God.

00:07:46Marc:That worked.

00:07:46Marc:Thank you, Mike.

00:07:47Marc:That was very nice.

00:07:48Marc:I feel like I'm doing the best work I've ever done.

00:07:50Guest:Yeah, I mean, on a personal level, you're really shitting the bed.

00:07:53Guest:I mean, your personal life is a mess, but you're...

00:07:55Guest:Professional work is outstanding.

00:07:57Marc:No, it's all working out.

00:07:58Marc:The only thing that's messy right now is the struggle to not lose my mind.

00:08:05Marc:And I'm succeeding in that, too.

00:08:08Marc:Let's talk about your movie because you're going to be...

00:08:11Marc:Today, when are you coming to town with the movie?

00:08:13Marc:Because I just, you know, I was on the phone with your partner and pal Ira Glass, and apparently he said that you guys are going to all ends to promote this film, even making popcorn and ripping tickets in some areas.

00:08:28Guest:We are.

00:08:28Guest:We actually are at the IFC Center this weekend, Friday and Saturday morning.

00:08:34Guest:It was going to be seven screenings a day where we do Q&As, and then we sold out 10 of them.

00:08:42Guest:and now they added a screen, so we're doing 14 Q&As per day.

00:08:47Guest:At the IFC Center, yeah, in New York City.

00:08:50Marc:And that'll be the August 20, what, 24th and 25th?

00:08:56Guest:Yeah, 24th and 25th.

00:08:58Marc:But they're all sold out.

00:08:59Guest:Yeah, and then I'm flying to Los Angeles, and I'll probably see you next week because the 31st and 1st,

00:09:08Guest:I'm at the Landmark New Arts doing Q&As at the night shows in Los Angeles.

00:09:14Guest:You know that one?

00:09:15Guest:It's that one that they just play one movie theater.

00:09:17Guest:I think it's on Santa Monica.

00:09:19Marc:Yeah, no, no.

00:09:20Marc:I definitely know where that is.

00:09:21Marc:But, like, if you want me to come down for any of those, because, you know, Jessica really wants to see the film.

00:09:27Marc:And if you want me to, you know, to come up there and pretend like I like you in front of people, I can do that.

00:09:32Marc:I've gotten...

00:09:33Guest:Yeah, no, I actually went through formal channels to see if you would come to some of those Q&As, and your agent actually quoted me $95,000 for you to appear.

00:09:44Marc:Well, you know, I'll cut you a deal.

00:09:46Marc:You know, if you get me and my girlfriend dinner, and if you let us fly on the sleepwalk with me jet, you know, I'd...

00:09:58Marc:Well, it's very exciting, and I don't know that we've talked specifically about the film on the podcast, but you wrote it, you directed it, you starred in it, and you had a lot of help from a lot of great people.

00:10:14Marc:You produced it with Ira Glass, you wrote it with Ira and your brother.

00:10:17Marc:It seemed to me when I was shooting with you that Seth Barish, who produced your live show, was very hands-on as well.

00:10:25Marc:Yeah.

00:10:26Marc:So you really put together a pretty, you were definitely not a Napoleon on the set.

00:10:30Marc:You were very pleasant to work with.

00:10:32Marc:And I think part of that had to do with the fact that you were very concerned with your own performance.

00:10:37Guest:Yeah.

00:10:39Guest:The tone that you took when you said that had a somewhat mocking feel.

00:10:46Marc:You're so fucking sensitive.

00:10:49Marc:You're very intuitive to my tone.

00:10:52Marc:Yeah, I know.

00:10:52Guest:Because I listen to hundreds of hours of you speaking.

00:10:55Guest:I get what you're saying.

00:10:56Marc:And you're right.

00:10:57Marc:I did not mean for that to come off as a slight, but what I was trying to say in my own way was that you put a very creative and supportive team together to realize your vision because you knew on some level that you still had to act in this film and you trusted everyone around you.

00:11:13Marc:And I thought that was smart.

00:11:15Guest:Thank you.

00:11:16Guest:Yeah, no, it was a really collaborative effort.

00:11:18Guest:The cinematographer is great, our production designer is great, and Seth is great.

00:11:22Guest:And, you know, what's funny is when I asked you to do the film...

00:11:27Guest:it was literally just based on me and ira having a conversation like hey do you think mark would do this or what oh maybe he would do it i don't know and then we were like we're so inexperienced in film that we were like okay now what do we do and i was like i don't know just call him see what happens you know so it's literally this is like the showbiz behind the scenes of showbiz i just called you and said hey we're doing this film and

00:11:52Guest:And you go, oh, what's the scene?

00:11:55Guest:And I go, it's this scene, and then it's this scene.

00:11:59Guest:And I'm pretty sure you just go, yeah, yeah, I'll do that.

00:12:06Guest:And that was it.

00:12:08Guest:You were just on board.

00:12:09Guest:And then we thought that you were... I'm not kidding.

00:12:11Guest:We thought you were going to be a big pain in the ass.

00:12:13Guest:We thought you were going to be a real troublemaker and a real diva.

00:12:17Guest:And you ended up being...

00:12:18Guest:Salt of the Earth, perfect, nailed your lines every time, improvised, brought a lot to it.

00:12:24Guest:You have improvised lines.

00:12:25Guest:You have two really strong improvised lines that made it into the final cut.

00:12:30Guest:And people love you in a movie.

00:12:31Guest:So I think it's a success story for us.

00:12:34Marc:Well, no, and I was thrilled to be part of it.

00:12:37Marc:All I wanted was a plane flight to New York and a ride to Staten Island.

00:12:42Marc:And I think it worked out fine.

00:12:44Marc:I wasn't asking for too much.

00:12:46Guest:You know that you're the only actor that was flown into the movie?

00:12:50Guest:Me and Ira paid for it personally because our budget didn't allow for flight.

00:12:54Marc:Should we cut that part out?

00:12:55Marc:Because I don't want to upset... Well, I mean, most of the other actors... Well, you know what?

00:12:59Marc:Maybe... Well, thank you.

00:13:01Marc:That's what I should say.

00:13:01Guest:No, you don't have to cut that out.

00:13:03Guest:That's literally cast in New York.

00:13:04Guest:That's what a lot of low-budget movies do.

00:13:06Guest:They...

00:13:06Guest:They can't afford flights, and so they just cast in New York.

00:13:10Marc:Well, I'll tell you, I was honored to be in the cast with Carol Kane, and I was honored to be in the cast with so many comics.

00:13:18Marc:I thought that was great of you to cast our brethren and sisteren or whatever.

00:13:24Guest:Yeah, Wyatt McNack, Kristen Schaal.

00:13:25Guest:David Wayne is in there.

00:13:28Guest:Henry Phillips.

00:13:30Marc:Henry Phillips.

00:13:31Marc:I mean, Henry Phillips was great.

00:13:33Marc:All of those people have been on my show.

00:13:35Guest:Phenomenal.

00:13:36Guest:And you know what you said in Sunday, and I really appreciated it, was that you felt like it gave...

00:13:42Guest:It told the story of the Rogue comic, which we felt like wasn't in a movie before that.

00:13:49Marc:Never.

00:13:50Marc:Never.

00:13:50Marc:And I believe that is true, that it's very delicate, especially to the back of the room, which are your peers, which is me.

00:13:59Marc:When you're looking at the way it's a very specific thing, how we started doing comedy, where, you know, you get 15 minutes together, 20 minutes together.

00:14:06Marc:You would align yourself with a with a booker who would send you traveling anywhere from 50 to 500 miles to play bowling alleys and bars that had one comedy night.

00:14:16Marc:And that was and that was how we did it.

00:14:18Marc:I mean, that was how we started.

00:14:19Marc:And I've never seen it before.

00:14:21Marc:And I think you captured it very well.

00:14:23Marc:And I also and I think that, you know, on top of that, that I mean, because you're talking about yourself, but that's a very specific story.

00:14:29Marc:And also the story of your your problem, you know, which really is the focus of the movie was really just you integrated the comedy into it.

00:14:38Marc:It was very seamless.

00:14:39Marc:And I think that you did a great job.

00:14:42Marc:Thanks.

00:14:43Marc:You know, we've built a relationship.

00:14:45Marc:We respect each other and we understand each other and we have a good time when we talk.

00:14:49Marc:I don't have any resentment.

00:14:51Marc:You know, I still find certain parts of you annoying, but that's just who you are.

00:14:55Guest:And I find nothing about you annoying, so it really works.

00:14:57Marc:I'm thrilled.

00:15:01Marc:I'm genuinely thrilled about your success in the film.

00:15:06Marc:I think you did a great job.

00:15:07Marc:It's not an easy thing to do.

00:15:08Marc:And the audience loved it, and I thought it was great.

00:15:11Marc:And I will see you for one of the screenings.

00:15:14Marc:Let's set it up.

00:15:15Guest:Yes, that sounds great.

00:15:16Marc:I'll see you next weekend.

00:15:16Marc:All right, thanks, Mike.

00:15:18Marc:Thanks, Mark.

00:15:19Bye.

00:15:19Marc:Always a pleasure to talk to Mr. Birbiglia.

00:15:23Marc:Even with our attention, it's become endearing.

00:15:27Marc:Now, let's get on with some other business here.

00:15:28Marc:Tenacious D is here.

00:15:30Marc:And Tenacious D, for me, like Jack Black and Jack and Kyle, I mean, look, the amazing thing about Tenacious D is their earnest approach to rock and roll.

00:15:41Marc:Whether you think it's funny or not,

00:15:44Marc:It stands alone in that these are guys that love the fucking music.

00:15:49Marc:And there's something that always resonates with me about that.

00:15:53Marc:It just goes back to me growing up in Albuquerque, going to see Van Halen, going to see the Nuge.

00:15:58Marc:I admit to that.

00:15:59Marc:Going to see Rush, going to see the Cars, going to see Heart.

00:16:04Marc:I mean, I go back, people.

00:16:06Marc:Just the spirit of rock.

00:16:08Marc:is within Tenacious D. Are you ready to rock?

00:16:14Marc:Are you ready to enter the garage with me?

00:16:17Marc:And Tenacious D, let us now rock.

00:16:32Guest:Here it is, clear to you.

00:16:36Guest:Pull it out a little more towards that way.

00:16:39Guest:Cage, don't play for a second.

00:16:43Guest:It's a big, big idea.

00:16:44Guest:Wow, the nuggets.

00:16:49Guest:Oops.

00:16:53Guest:Said your phaser's on stun, Scotty.

00:17:00Marc:Wow, this is going to be interesting.

00:17:02Guest:Why?

00:17:05Marc:Because I've never... You've never had music?

00:17:08Marc:No, I've had a lot of music, but I've never used my new mic there.

00:17:12Marc:Seems like it's picking up a lot.

00:17:16Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:17:19Marc:So the tuning thing is an important part of what you guys do, right?

00:17:23Guest:I'm sorry.

00:17:24Guest:Are we on right now?

00:17:25Guest:This is gold.

00:17:26Guest:This is comedy gold right here.

00:17:28Marc:I'm just wondering how that thing... Sounds pretty good, right?

00:17:33Guest:Yeah.

00:17:40Guest:Sensitivo is way over there.

00:17:42Guest:It's picking it up, right?

00:17:45Guest:It's picking up the whole room.

00:17:46Guest:Yeah, I mean, that's a worry.

00:17:51Guest:Listen to that voice for a little guitar.

00:17:55Guest:Well, there should be no... That's nice, man.

00:17:59Guest:You want to wear cans?

00:18:02Guest:Yeah, I should.

00:18:03Guest:So you can regulate.

00:18:05Guest:It's kind of like audio masturbation because you can hear yourself and it feels good to hear yourself.

00:18:10Guest:Yeah, because then you can get up on the... Yeah, my own voice.

00:18:14Guest:Right there.

00:18:14Marc:Nice.

00:18:15Marc:That sounds pretty good.

00:18:17Marc:I should just take me out of this.

00:18:18Marc:W-M-A-R.

00:18:20Marc:So wait, are we going to do something from Rise of the Phoenix?

00:18:22Marc:Is that what's going to happen?

00:18:23Marc:Oh, you want to go straight into the... Well, I don't want you to sit in here with the guitars the whole time.

00:18:28Marc:I think that if you guys are rigged up, you're tuned up.

00:18:32Guest:So you're that organic.

00:18:33Guest:It's like, hey, man, what are you feeling?

00:18:34Marc:Yeah, that's where I'm at.

00:18:36Marc:This is old school here.

00:18:37Guest:We're just hanging out.

00:18:38Guest:I think it makes a lot of sense.

00:18:40Marc:I mean, you guys have the guitars on.

00:18:41Guest:Get the music out of the way.

00:18:43Guest:And I'll just sit here and get to the good stuff.

00:18:47Guest:Well, me and Cage are hungry, we're hungry for some fruit.

00:18:55Guest:We wander through the goddamn, it would be a hoot to keep some low-hanging fruit.

00:19:07Guest:Don't want no high-class modeling design fucking bathing suits.

00:19:14Guest:Now we want the low-hanging fruit.

00:19:26Guest:Hold on a second.

00:19:28Guest:Oh, wow, I didn't tune up.

00:19:30Guest:I didn't tune up.

00:19:31Guest:Why didn't you tune up?

00:19:32Guest:That sounded great, by the way.

00:19:34Guest:It was going good, wasn't it?

00:19:35Guest:Yeah, it was like right in it.

00:19:37Guest:Until I came in with a well-tuned guitar.

00:19:39Guest:Yeah, I know.

00:19:40Guest:That's really what... Well, you don't know who was out of tune.

00:19:42Guest:I don't actually have to play it.

00:19:43Guest:We can find that out right now.

00:19:45Guest:Kyle is a one-man orchestra on his acts.

00:19:48Marc:I want to place blame.

00:19:49Marc:We got to do the whole thing.

00:19:50Marc:I got to place blame here.

00:19:52Marc:Who was out of tune?

00:19:53Guest:It was me.

00:19:54Guest:It was you?

00:19:55Guest:It's just going to be another 20 minutes, and then we'll be all tuned up.

00:19:58Marc:You guys catch up.

00:19:59Marc:I've been to my shared dead shows.

00:20:00Marc:We can't talk.

00:20:01Guest:I talk in the key of F, so that'll throw off your tuning.

00:20:05Guest:So, Jack, let's talk to me about this diet.

00:20:08Because...

00:20:08Guest:My diet, I'm on a diet where they bring me food every day.

00:20:12Guest:Me too.

00:20:13Guest:Really?

00:20:13Guest:Both of you?

00:20:14Guest:Is it the same one?

00:20:15Guest:Not Sundays.

00:20:16Guest:On Sunday, the Lord eats a bacon cheeseburger.

00:20:21Guest:But yeah, and as long as I stay in the box, I lose weight.

00:20:27Guest:I have been unable to stay in the box for more than one day.

00:20:31Guest:Yesterday, I stayed in the box absolutely.

00:20:34Guest:So I'm so far so good.

00:20:35Guest:Okay.

00:20:36Guest:Today I'm doing good.

00:20:38Guest:So far I'm in the box.

00:20:38Marc:Well, what's in the box?

00:20:40Marc:I mean, is it enough?

00:20:41Marc:I mean, how do you snack?

00:20:42Marc:It's not enough.

00:20:44Guest:It's not enough to satisfy.

00:20:45Guest:Right.

00:20:46Guest:But it is what my body needs, apparently.

00:20:48Guest:It's all that my body needs.

00:20:50Guest:Yeah, I'm hungry, man.

00:20:52Guest:I'm hungry a lot.

00:20:53Guest:It's hard.

00:20:53Guest:By the way, you guys talking is just really fucking with my tuning.

00:20:56Guest:But I'm going to a box.

00:20:57Guest:I'm going to a box.

00:20:58Guest:Let me grab a guitar pick before I...

00:21:00Marc:I've got a whole bunch of picks.

00:21:01Marc:I've got a Buddy Guy pick.

00:21:03Marc:Look at that.

00:21:04Marc:Buddy Guy gave me that.

00:21:05Marc:What?

00:21:05Marc:Holy shit.

00:21:07Marc:I just met Buddy Guy.

00:21:09Guest:And it makes you play like Buddy Guy when you use that pick?

00:21:11Marc:Of course, man.

00:21:14Buddy Guy.

00:21:15Marc:You need one, buddy?

00:21:16Marc:What gauge do you use?

00:21:19Marc:Medium.

00:21:20Marc:That's what I use.

00:21:22Guest:I like that buddy guy size, too.

00:21:24Marc:I've never tried it, but when I played it... I think it's the same.

00:21:27Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:28Marc:What do you call that size?

00:21:29Guest:I'm going to say triangle with roundy edges.

00:21:32Guest:Yeah.

00:21:33Marc:I think that's what it says in the catalog.

00:21:37Marc:I recognized Buddy Guy standing in line in Chicago to get on the plane I was going on.

00:21:41Marc:And I knew it was Buddy Guy, but no one seemed excited about it.

00:21:44Marc:But I saw he was looking at his ticket, so I wanted to make sure it was Buddy Guy.

00:21:46Marc:So I leaned over and looked at his ticket, and it was Buddy Guy.

00:21:49Marc:And I said, holy shit, you're Buddy Guy.

00:21:52Marc:I'm a big fan.

00:21:53Marc:I did that.

00:21:54Marc:He was just flying under the radar.

00:21:56Marc:No one recognized him except for you.

00:21:57Marc:And he said, okay.

00:21:58Marc:And I said, it's an honor to meet you.

00:22:00Marc:And he goes, okay.

00:22:01Marc:And then I get on the plane.

00:22:02Marc:I'm sitting next to his road guy.

00:22:03Marc:And he gave me the pick.

00:22:04Marc:And then after I get off the plane, I didn't need to pick up baggage.

00:22:07Marc:But I'm like, am I going to be that guy?

00:22:08Marc:I need a picture with Buddy Guy.

00:22:10Marc:So I went to baggage claim to stalk Buddy Guy.

00:22:13Marc:And he was there by himself at the baggage claim.

00:22:16Guest:I guess we're all fans.

00:22:17Guest:That's the perfect amount of Famous, though, where no one recognizes you except for Marc Maron.

00:22:22Guest:I want to get to that amount of famous.

00:22:26Marc:You want to come back down?

00:22:27Marc:Yes, if possible.

00:22:29Marc:How are you going to do that?

00:22:31Marc:So are we going to try this again?

00:22:32Guest:A couple more shitty movies and I'll be right there with Buddy Guy.

00:22:37Guest:No.

00:22:37Guest:It doesn't work that way.

00:22:39Guest:Once you get to the super famous, then you can't unring that bell.

00:22:44Guest:You can only become famous for being shitty.

00:22:47Guest:You can't become unfamous.

00:22:49Marc:For half your career, it's like, holy fuck, there's Jack Black.

00:22:51Marc:And the other half is like, ugh.

00:22:53Guest:What happened to that guy?

00:22:56Guest:Sad but true.

00:22:57Guest:Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

00:22:59Guest:All right.

00:22:59Guest:Let's change gears.

00:23:02Okay.

00:23:02Guest:Let's end with a little roadie.

00:23:05Guest:Since I miss my roadie so deeply at this point.

00:23:08Guest:Yeah.

00:23:17Guest:Well it's 3pm, time to lug the gear Got to get it on the stage My muscles flex, my fucking sweat will save the day When I check the mic, I fucka check the mic I fucka checka checka one, two, three I plug it in, I make it sound as good as can be

00:23:38Guest:Because a rock is a rock, but the road is a roll.

00:23:41Guest:Gotta take the mic, I guess I take control.

00:23:43Guest:Gotta get that shit up on that fucking stage.

00:23:48Guest:Because the roadie knows what the roadie knows.

00:23:50Guest:And the roadie knows that he wears black clothes and he hides off in the shadows of the stage.

00:23:57Guest:Because the roadie...

00:24:00Guest:Looks a thousand miles with his eyes And when the crowd roars Brings a teardrop to the road his eyes Tears of pride Because he brought you the show But you will never know He's changing the strings While hiding in the wings No matter how

00:24:29Guest:The show must go on.

00:24:36Guest:And then a beautiful girl comes in and she says, hey, can I suck your dick?

00:24:41Guest:I say, yes, I am in love.

00:24:46Guest:But does she quickly say, I sucked you dick in that?

00:24:49Guest:Give me that backstage pass.

00:24:50Guest:I do not want you, Rody.

00:24:52Guest:I want to take KG home.

00:24:54Guest:Oh, I'm standing at the threshold of your dreams.

00:25:01Guest:Without me, there'd be no sound from those ants.

00:25:05Guest:Without me, there'd be no lights on the stage when you don't apply for me.

00:25:11Guest:Go!

00:25:14Guest:I am the roadie The lonesome warrior searching for a soul Yeah!

00:25:27Guest:I am the roadie I make the rock go!

00:25:39Oh, honey

00:25:55Marc:Fucking powerful, man.

00:25:56Marc:Thanks, man.

00:25:57Marc:I didn't even do any vocal warm-ups.

00:25:59Guest:No.

00:26:01Marc:Where did that come from?

00:26:02Marc:Your amazing capacity to sing.

00:26:05Guest:Oh.

00:26:07Guest:Do you know, I remember when I was a kid, I could not sing very well, and I practiced a lot.

00:26:13Guest:Yeah?

00:26:14Guest:Yeah.

00:26:14Guest:It came from a deep desire to be applauded.

00:26:18Guest:Because I remember one of the first things I noticed was like, this guy's totally into singing, but he doesn't play an instrument.

00:26:25Guest:I thought that was so weird.

00:26:28Guest:He's really into vocals and things.

00:26:30Guest:I was a big musical theater nerd.

00:26:32Marc:Were you really?

00:26:32Marc:Did you do that?

00:26:33Guest:Yeah, I was Pippin in my high school production of Pippin.

00:26:37Marc:But when you did Pippin, where people were like, holy fuck, that's a rock and roll Pippin.

00:26:42Marc:No.

00:26:43Guest:No.

00:26:45Guest:No, I was pretty straight ahead Ben Vereen style.

00:26:47Guest:Oh, really?

00:26:48Guest:But, you know, Ben Vereen to this day, I think, is one of the great performers.

00:26:52Guest:Have you met Ben Vereen?

00:26:53Guest:I did meet.

00:26:54Guest:I got a chance to do a one-night only Jesus Christ Superstar.

00:26:59Guest:Oh, that's right.

00:27:00Guest:Where Ben Vereen played Judas, and I played King Herod.

00:27:04Marc:Oh, you did King Herod's song?

00:27:06Guest:Jesus, I am overjoyed.

00:27:07Guest:You are the Christ.

00:27:08Marc:You are the great Jesus Christ.

00:27:10Marc:Prove to me that you're no fool.

00:27:12Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:27:13Guest:Change the water into wine.

00:27:15Guest:Yeah.

00:27:15Guest:And then there's one.

00:27:16Guest:Prove to me that you're no fool.

00:27:18Guest:Something about the swimming pool.

00:27:19Guest:Walk across my swimming pool.

00:27:20Guest:That's right, yeah.

00:27:21Guest:It's a very funny song.

00:27:23Marc:It's a great song.

00:27:24Guest:It's a great song, and it's a small part, but it's got a good impact.

00:27:27Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:27:28Guest:You get that one jam.

00:27:29Guest:It's the one I remember from the record.

00:27:32Guest:Oh, dude.

00:27:33Guest:No, the way.

00:27:34Guest:You got to remember.

00:27:35Guest:My mind is clearer now.

00:27:37Guest:yeah yeah that's the opener right yeah although ben breen did flub the opening line of the of the music it had been a long time clearly but he made up for it with passion later on in the show sure so wait now why am i saying wait as if we're in the middle of something yeah you were the guitar virtuoso

00:27:57Guest:Well, when you grew up... Relative to what was happening.

00:28:00Marc:But, like, he was in musical theater, which, I mean, you probably took a hit for that.

00:28:04Marc:Were you proud of that?

00:28:06Guest:I was proud.

00:28:06Marc:You were?

00:28:07Guest:Well, I mean, at the time, I was, you know, searching for an identity.

00:28:13Guest:High school is tough for everybody, isn't it?

00:28:15Marc:What did you try on?

00:28:16Guest:And everything that I tried... Like?

00:28:19Guest:You know, just the various clubs and...

00:28:21Guest:Various groups of people, the clusters.

00:28:24Guest:The stoner.

00:28:25Guest:I couldn't excel with the math nerds or the athletes, obviously.

00:28:32Guest:Did you really try that hard with the math nerds, though?

00:28:35Guest:I don't remember how hard I tried, but I wanted to be accepted, certainly by everyone.

00:28:41Guest:I was a big class clown, but when I got into the theater, I felt like, oh.

00:28:47Guest:I remember I had dreams in high school.

00:28:48Guest:I had dreams like...

00:28:49Guest:I would be in the theater at the high school flying around.

00:28:52Guest:I had the power of flight.

00:28:54Guest:And then as soon as I would fly out of the theater and I would immediately lose my power of flight and I would come back down to earth.

00:29:00Marc:Were you ever given the opportunity to hang on a wire?

00:29:02Marc:Did you ever play Peter Pan?

00:29:04Guest:No, no.

00:29:05Guest:It was, I think it was a symbol in my dream for, you know.

00:29:09Marc:It wasn't a practical dream?

00:29:11Marc:Like, I can do this.

00:29:13Marc:Get a role where I'm suspended and flying.

00:29:15Guest:I may have been hooked up to a rig at some point.

00:29:19Marc:Yeah.

00:29:19Marc:And you were like a straight up guitar nerd?

00:29:23Guest:No, I had, well, first I just wanted to be famous.

00:29:26Guest:I was just like, I was living in the Bay Area.

00:29:28Guest:I was like, well, no, I wanted to be an actor.

00:29:30Guest:So I'd run around telling everyone, you know, I'm going to be an actor.

00:29:34Guest:And then I thought, you know, I'll come to LA, I'll go to UCLA and I'll meet people that are going to become famous and then I'll like be an actor.

00:29:43Guest:Latch on to them?

00:29:44Guest:Yeah, I'll latch on and leech for them and...

00:29:46Guest:It worked out.

00:29:47Guest:Yeah, work.

00:29:48Guest:That's the sick part.

00:29:50Marc:I'm like, how does that work exactly?

00:29:51Marc:Yeah, you pulled it off.

00:29:53Guest:Because I knew that steady work for me was not going to...

00:29:56Marc:But you're given the credit as being the guitar wizard.

00:30:01Marc:Right.

00:30:01Marc:And you are a guitar wizard.

00:30:02Marc:That doesn't start out of nowhere.

00:30:03Guest:Well, everything's real.

00:30:04Guest:Yeah.

00:30:05Guest:I mean, I was like a marching band guy.

00:30:07Guest:Oh, my God.

00:30:08Guest:You guys are ruining my vision.

00:30:09Marc:No, it was bad.

00:30:11Guest:But I remember- What did you play in the marching band?

00:30:13Guest:I played flute.

00:30:14Guest:Oh, my God.

00:30:15Guest:It was really bad.

00:30:16Guest:Did you know that about him?

00:30:17Guest:No.

00:30:17Guest:Listen, this is the way it is with any rock star you're not going to talk to.

00:30:20Guest:It's not going to be, yeah, march through glass and nails and learn heavy metal from a homeless dude on a train.

00:30:27Marc:We're the same age, roughly, and I just figured maybe you'd be working on Jimmy Page solo.

00:30:33Marc:No, I know.

00:30:33Guest:I wish I was.

00:30:34Guest:I mean, I felt like I started way too late.

00:30:36Marc:You were in high school when Van Halen's first album came out.

00:30:39Guest:Yeah, that's true.

00:30:40Guest:It changed everything.

00:30:42Guest:Yeah, that's too loud.

00:30:43Guest:Here's the other thing, Cage.

00:30:44Guest:But Cage isn't really telling you his rock roots.

00:30:47Guest:Your big rock influence was Neil Young.

00:30:51Guest:And that's where you got all of that.

00:30:52Guest:Well, I love Neil.

00:30:53Guest:But I mean, everybody that did back then.

00:30:55Marc:Yeah, well, kind of.

00:30:55Marc:I came to Neil later.

00:30:56Marc:I mean, I understood Neil.

00:30:57Marc:But then when you get older, you realize, holy shit, this guy, half his, most, all of his songs are timeless.

00:31:03Marc:Who the hell can do that?

00:31:04Marc:Yeah.

00:31:04Marc:Like, it doesn't matter what era they were.

00:31:05Marc:Really?

00:31:06Marc:Even the last album?

00:31:07Marc:I don't listen to the last album.

00:31:08Marc:I haven't heard it.

00:31:10Marc:I just watched that.

00:31:11Marc:I'm just saying the classics.

00:31:12Marc:Cowgirl in the sand.

00:31:13Guest:It defies dates.

00:31:15Guest:Yeah.

00:31:15Guest:Right?

00:31:16Guest:But now that Fallon can do him perfectly.

00:31:18Guest:I know.

00:31:19Guest:It's weird.

00:31:19Guest:He kind of takes some of the mustard off his sauce.

00:31:21Marc:Oh, really?

00:31:21Marc:Have Fallon killed Neil Young for you?

00:31:23Guest:A little bit.

00:31:24Guest:Have you seen Fallon's Neil Young?

00:31:25Guest:Yeah.

00:31:26Guest:It's astonishing.

00:31:27Guest:If he can do it that perfectly, it's like, well, wait a minute.

00:31:30Guest:Maybe it's not that unique.

00:31:32Guest:You like his guitar playing, though?

00:31:33Guest:I do, but I liked it because it was really not technically that good.

00:31:38Guest:I'm like, wait a minute, because I knew, like I said, I started late.

00:31:41Guest:It's okay to play one note for 15 minutes?

00:31:43Guest:Yeah, I was like, wait, I think I can do that.

00:31:45Guest:He is a testament to the, it's not how many, but the right note.

00:31:50Guest:Right.

00:31:50Guest:He hits just the right note.

00:31:51Guest:The Neil Young note.

00:31:54Guest:It doesn't sound like a telegraph.

00:31:56Marc:So you grew up in what, how close to the San Francisco?

00:31:59Guest:Out in the suburbs, out in Walnut Creek.

00:32:02Marc:Oh, I know.

00:32:02Marc:I used to perform in Walnut Creek.

00:32:03Marc:That's kind of half-towny, half-middle class.

00:32:06Marc:Yeah, and then it just kind of became... Concord's a little creaky, right?

00:32:09Marc:We call it White Man's Paradise.

00:32:11Marc:But isn't Concord the weird voice?

00:32:12Marc:Yeah.

00:32:13Marc:It's a little dicey?

00:32:13Marc:That's a little trashy, yeah.

00:32:14Marc:It's a little sketchy out there.

00:32:15Marc:And you just, in high school, you were what?

00:32:19Marc:What was I doing in high school?

00:32:20Guest:Yeah, I mean, were you like... I was trying not to go to class.

00:32:22Guest:Yeah.

00:32:23Guest:I was really, yeah, I didn't really... It was the 70s.

00:32:26Guest:Right.

00:32:27Guest:And it's weird, but how old are you?

00:32:28Guest:Do you say how old you are?

00:32:29Guest:69.

00:32:30Guest:And how old are you?

00:32:30Guest:60.

00:32:31Guest:Oh, God.

00:32:32Guest:All right, how old are you really?

00:32:33Guest:No, I was born in 69, so I'm 42.

00:32:36Guest:Yeah, I'm 52 now.

00:32:38Guest:Yeah, this is a magical time.

00:32:39Guest:It's almost over.

00:32:40Guest:It's a great time when Kyle's exactly 10 years older than me.

00:32:43Guest:Oh, that's right.

00:32:44Guest:We're right in the zone.

00:32:44Guest:I like to lord it under him.

00:32:45Guest:Yeah.

00:32:46Guest:Isn't that every year, though?

00:32:47Guest:Every year, just for like a month and a half.

00:32:49Guest:Oh, you're exactly 10.

00:32:49Guest:Well, he's nine, and then it's pretty ugly.

00:32:52Yeah.

00:32:52Marc:So you're more closer to my age.

00:32:55Marc:How old are you?

00:32:56Marc:I'm 48.

00:32:57Marc:I'll be 49 next month.

00:32:58Marc:I can't believe I'm that much older than you.

00:33:00Marc:And you're my brother's age.

00:33:02Marc:That's all I'm saying.

00:33:03Guest:Here's when you know you're old.

00:33:05Guest:You're older than the president.

00:33:06Guest:Why can't you believe you're older than Mark Maron?

00:33:08Guest:You definitely look older than Mark Maron.

00:33:10Guest:Do I?

00:33:11Guest:A little bit.

00:33:12Guest:Well, you're full Gandalf the White at this point.

00:33:15Marc:He's still salt and pepper.

00:33:17Marc:Yeah, I do have my hair.

00:33:20Marc:So, Jack, all right, so let's go through it.

00:33:22Marc:It's difficult with two guys, but I'm going to focus on you now.

00:33:25Guest:I'm going to try not to interrupt when you're talking to Kyle from now on.

00:33:28Guest:We're going to go back and forth.

00:33:29Guest:Because I think that's why it's difficult.

00:33:30Guest:It's the triangulation.

00:33:32Marc:No, it is, because then you want to talk.

00:33:33Marc:It's fine.

00:33:34Guest:We've got an hour.

00:33:35Guest:I've got a very intense desire to interrupt when you guys are talking, though.

00:33:40Guest:Is that because you're afraid it's not about you for a few minutes?

00:33:42Guest:I just want to control Kyle's every move.

00:33:46Guest:I do have a history of being a loose cannon.

00:33:48Marc:Really?

00:33:50Marc:Yeah.

00:33:50Marc:I think I did a little research that there was a Juilliard gaffe that has trailed you for your entire life.

00:33:55Guest:That's all I know.

00:33:56Guest:I thought it was funny.

00:33:57Guest:And then, you know, people were like, oh, what?

00:33:59Marc:and then they're like in the people want to believe there was no music program at Juilliard but I think the first time I met you guys was what in the mid 90s like 96 97 that sounds about right and you guys were doing the mr. show stuff yeah yeah well we were we were like performing live when mr. show did live shows right around LA right they would have us open for them sometimes and didn't you do like bit parts weren't you like the guy in the background yes

00:34:24Guest:I did a little bit part in Mr. Show, but mostly me and Kyle would just show up and watch the live tapings of Mr. Show.

00:34:31Guest:Right.

00:34:32Guest:Because we were, there was a little time there where Mr. Show, there was a wave of excitement about the movement.

00:34:40Guest:It was more of a movement than it was just a show.

00:34:42Guest:The alternative comedy movement?

00:34:44Guest:They were right at the forefront of it.

00:34:45Marc:I think they defined, a lot of people, that's where their history of comedy sort of begins at Mr. Show.

00:34:50Yeah.

00:34:50Marc:But you had already done a movie.

00:34:51Marc:Had you done, like, I think the first time I saw you was in Bob Roberts, because I remember.

00:34:55Guest:Yeah, Bob Roberts.

00:34:56Guest:What year was that?

00:34:56Guest:I had that under my belt.

00:34:57Guest:I think that was 90 or 91.

00:34:59Marc:And that was because you guys were both in the Actors Game Theater Company.

00:35:02Marc:Correct, sir.

00:35:03Marc:So you must have really.

00:35:04Marc:You have done your research.

00:35:05Marc:Well, I mean, I knew this.

00:35:06Marc:I mean, this is not, you know, deep digging.

00:35:08Marc:But I went and saw an actor's gang.

00:35:11Marc:I saw you at Tim Robbins, that last thing he did.

00:35:15Guest:Yeah.

00:35:15Marc:I saw you in the lobby, remember?

00:35:16Guest:Yeah.

00:35:17Marc:The thing about, what was it called?

00:35:20Marc:It was an incredible show called Crack the Whip.

00:35:22Marc:It was insane.

00:35:23Marc:Break the Whip.

00:35:24Marc:Break the Whip.

00:35:25Marc:Why didn't that run longer?

00:35:27Marc:It was insane.

00:35:28Guest:It's one of those things where the critics drive the theater in LA, and I think it just got overlooked.

00:35:37Guest:And it's weird because it was by far the best production in Los Angeles.

00:35:42Marc:With all the movement and the puppetry and all kinds of weird shit.

00:35:45Guest:When was that?

00:35:46Marc:Comedia dell'arte, fucking masks.

00:35:48Guest:That was like a year ago.

00:35:49Marc:Yeah, right.

00:35:50Marc:And I confronted you.

00:35:52Marc:I said, are you doing my podcast?

00:35:53Marc:And you're like, I don't know.

00:35:55Marc:Yeah, very noncommittal.

00:35:59Guest:You feel like you always have to kind of be working the podcaster.

00:36:02Guest:You have to be asked.

00:36:03Marc:Well, no, I'm proud of it.

00:36:04Marc:And it's something that I like to do.

00:36:05Marc:But like a lot of times, because of the reputation it's gotten, people assume that I'm going to go digging around for things or that they're going to, you know, have to reveal things like I asked him, too.

00:36:14Marc:And he was like, you know, every once in a while, I'll get a call from him or an email like I'm going to do it like once or twice a year.

00:36:19Marc:I get one of those.

00:36:19Marc:I'm like, that's nice.

00:36:20Guest:Well, I hadn't heard the podcast at that point, so I wasn't sure what I'd be stepping into.

00:36:25Guest:Yeah.

00:36:26Guest:But I've heard it since and I'm a big fan.

00:36:28Marc:Oh, I appreciate it.

00:36:29Marc:So wait, when you guys, because the actors gang always did weird shit.

00:36:32Marc:So, I mean, at some point you were, this was not about, was it always about being in movies or was it like this theater thing?

00:36:38Guest:No, it was definitely about the theater.

00:36:40Guest:I mean, it was very sort of political and I went to UCLA with Tim and it was kind of, yeah, it was about changing the world.

00:36:47Marc:So you knew Tim when he was just a young Tim?

00:36:50Guest:Young, but he didn't change too much.

00:36:52Marc:He was still eight feet tall, though.

00:36:54Guest:He was, and very imposing.

00:36:55Guest:But our relationship was based on him bumming cigarettes off me.

00:36:59Guest:Really?

00:36:59Marc:Yeah.

00:37:00Marc:And were you both in the theater department?

00:37:02Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:37:03Guest:That was what was happening then.

00:37:04Marc:And so he was all about the highbrow, got to keep it in the art world.

00:37:08Guest:Yeah, but it was more about going against the institutionalized theater.

00:37:14Guest:Is that your Tim Robbins impersonation?

00:37:17Guest:No, no.

00:37:18Guest:But I tell you what, he really, the guy was a hard worker.

00:37:22Guest:Yeah.

00:37:22Guest:And still is.

00:37:23Marc:He did all right for himself, that guy.

00:37:24Guest:Yeah, he knew how to do it.

00:37:26Guest:And he was very, he definitely got the alpha gene.

00:37:29Marc:What was the first production you guys did?

00:37:31Marc:And did you have to wear an outfit?

00:37:32Guest:The first production that I did at the Actors Gang was called The Big Show.

00:37:37Guest:And it was all about the South American, the Sandinista, what was it?

00:37:43Guest:It was Mike Schlitz Show.

00:37:44Guest:Yeah, it was like drugs.

00:37:44Guest:It was a political, yeah.

00:37:46Guest:Political something or other.

00:37:48Guest:And there was music, but it wasn't a musical.

00:37:50Guest:Right.

00:37:51Guest:And I played Jackman Braun.

00:37:53Guest:Yeah.

00:37:53Guest:Some sort of misguided rock star.

00:37:55Guest:But the first show I ever saw was Carnage.

00:37:58Guest:Yeah.

00:37:59Guest:And Kyle was in it.

00:38:01Guest:And it was the best show I'd seen.

00:38:03Guest:I was in high school and I just...

00:38:04Guest:i had uh i had an infatuation with the theater company the actors gang it was like i wanted to be in it so badly it was like being a chili pepper or a beetle really cool thing to do i revered everybody in the in the company and i felt like that's the way it was across the board with all the theater people in la were wishing they were in the actors gang

00:38:25Guest:And then just hanging around the actors gang and watching them, there was a strange disgruntled quality about a lot of people in the actors gang.

00:38:32Guest:I was like, why are you guys disgruntled?

00:38:34Guest:Don't you see?

00:38:34Guest:You're in the fucking coolest theater company.

00:38:37Guest:But I guess that's the way it always is.

00:38:39Marc:But it was like actually one of the, I mean, there are a lot of theater companies, but it seemed to have a real agenda as opposed to just a workshop for people to get shitty roles on television.

00:38:48Guest:Yeah.

00:38:48Marc:Well, that was the thing.

00:38:49Guest:Well, yeah, one of the great quotes was, we reject celebrity.

00:38:53Guest:Until they become celebrities.

00:38:56Guest:But of course we all.

00:38:57Guest:But I mean, you're an actor, you want to work.

00:38:59Guest:It's like, come on.

00:39:00Guest:But the Actors Gang was like the clash of theater companies.

00:39:03Guest:It was politically active.

00:39:05Guest:And yeah, there was a point to it.

00:39:07Guest:Were you politically active?

00:39:08Guest:Not so much, but I wanted to be.

00:39:11Guest:You want to be on the right side.

00:39:13Guest:I've always been very left-leaning, and I was then, but I wasn't marching in the streets or anything.

00:39:18Marc:But when you did a show with Tim, was it sort of like, I don't get this.

00:39:22Marc:What are you trying to say here?

00:39:25Guest:There might have been some of that.

00:39:27Guest:Sometimes it got a little highbrow, but yeah, what was the Brecht production we did?

00:39:34Guest:Good Woman of Set Swamp.

00:39:36Guest:You got to do some homework to know what the hell's going on in that show.

00:39:40Guest:Got to get the cliff notes?

00:39:41Guest:Yeah.

00:39:42Guest:Yeah, I didn't get that one.

00:39:43Guest:Where'd you go to high school?

00:39:45Guest:I went to a few different ones.

00:39:46Guest:I went to Culver City, junior high, and then I went to a little school for troubled youths called Poseidon.

00:39:54Guest:Poseidon.

00:39:55Guest:I only had like 20 kids.

00:39:57Guest:How were you troubled?

00:39:58Guest:I was doing a lot of cocaine.

00:40:00Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:40:01Guest:Running with a rough crowd that they turned on me and wanted to kill me and then...

00:40:07Guest:Really?

00:40:07Guest:And then I stole some money from my mom and just bad news bears.

00:40:12Guest:And I actually went to my parents and said, I want to go to a troubled youth school.

00:40:19Guest:They didn't send me off to military academy.

00:40:22Marc:So you didn't have those kind of parents.

00:40:24Guest:No.

00:40:25Marc:Like, he's asked us for help.

00:40:27Marc:I had to do it before my... Yeah, I had to apply.

00:40:29Marc:He's on the run.

00:40:30Marc:Yeah.

00:40:32Guest:Who were these guys?

00:40:33Guest:Were they criminals?

00:40:35Guest:Not really.

00:40:35Guest:No.

00:40:36Guest:It was more just... There was like this street in L.A.

00:40:40Guest:that I would go to with the cool, rough kids.

00:40:43Guest:I wanted to be like...

00:40:45Guest:one of the kids from the wanderers right or uh sure i wanted to be in a gang yeah it was just there's something very romantic about being you know like yeah the skater you want to run with like matt dylan and nick case exactly what was that movie called uh outsiders outsiders yeah was it called it wasn't called the outsiders i think there was wasn't there a series of the se hinton yeah yeah yeah was that the outsiders though were that was that the se hinton yeah

00:41:08Marc:With the big sky and it looked like the Wizard of Oz.

00:41:11Guest:And then there was Rumblefish.

00:41:12Guest:And I think the street was called Jasmine.

00:41:14Guest:And we would go down there and just hang out and listen to heavy metal music and have long hair and skateboards.

00:41:19Guest:And then when the cops came around the corner, everybody run.

00:41:23Guest:There's no reason to run.

00:41:25Guest:We don't have anything.

00:41:26Guest:But I was a wannabe gangster.

00:41:28Guest:Yeah.

00:41:29Marc:But could you skate?

00:41:31Guest:Not very well.

00:41:32Guest:I could skate.

00:41:33Guest:You were the guy holding the board?

00:41:34Guest:Decently.

00:41:35Guest:I skated everywhere.

00:41:36Guest:I could skate as a mode of transportation.

00:41:38Guest:Pools?

00:41:38Guest:Could you do pools?

00:41:39Guest:But pools, I could do it, but I couldn't get air.

00:41:42Guest:I was like on the precipice.

00:41:44Guest:Precipice of air.

00:41:45Guest:I hurt my wrist one time, so that ended my pool.

00:41:50Marc:But I can't even imagine you on fucking coke.

00:41:52Marc:I mean, you're so goddamn intense the way it is.

00:41:54Marc:I know.

00:41:55Marc:Did it have a Ritalin effect?

00:41:56Marc:Did it actually relax you?

00:41:58Guest:Well, it had this strange religious effect.

00:42:00Guest:Like, I would do coke, and then I would just want to talk about the infinity of the universe.

00:42:05Guest:Sure, and the singularity before it was even popular.

00:42:08Guest:I'd want to get super heavy and then reveal too many secrets and go into a downward spiral of self-hatred that could have led to suicide.

00:42:16Guest:Oh no!

00:42:18Marc:It was always bad at the end of it.

00:42:19Marc:No, Coke's always bad at the end, when you're just sitting there listening to your heart, wondering how long this is going to go on.

00:42:23Marc:It wasn't just the Coke.

00:42:25Guest:It was also the LSD and the sniffing glue.

00:42:28Guest:There's lots of bad stuff going on.

00:42:29Guest:You did glue too?

00:42:30Guest:There was all kinds of bad shit going on.

00:42:31Guest:That's some low budget shit.

00:42:32Guest:I was desperate to make it to the center of the badass coolness.

00:42:38Guest:Huff and glue on Jasmine Avenue.

00:42:41Guest:Why don't you write that song, Ben Morrison?

00:42:42Guest:But wait, but then after that, I went to Crossroads School.

00:42:46Guest:Crossroads was where- I heard about that one.

00:42:48Guest:That's Santa Monica?

00:42:48Guest:I left Poseidon and I went to Santa Monica, yeah.

00:42:51Guest:That's like an expensive hippie school.

00:42:53Guest:Exactly.

00:42:54Guest:It's a progressive expensive 11th and 12th grade, my last two years of high school, which was actually- Don't they actually offer cocaine at the Crossroads School?

00:43:02Guest:No, but it was a great school and I met my wife there.

00:43:06Guest:Yeah.

00:43:07Guest:That's when I started really getting into the theater.

00:43:09Guest:I did Pippin there at Crossroads.

00:43:12Marc:Well, that was a supportive environment.

00:43:13Marc:Exactly.

00:43:14Marc:You weren't in some regular high school where people would run around calling the theater guys fags.

00:43:19Marc:Yeah, exactly.

00:43:20Marc:Everyone was sort of like, oh, this is cool.

00:43:22Marc:Jack's cool.

00:43:23Guest:Yeah.

00:43:23Marc:All right, Kyle, let's hammer away.

00:43:26Guest:We're back on me?

00:43:27Guest:Oh, God, I just got nervous.

00:43:28Marc:Yeah.

00:43:28Marc:Well, you should get nervous.

00:43:29Marc:What?

00:43:30Marc:Well, no, you shouldn't.

00:43:32Marc:So you wandered around the Bay Area, San Francisco, where everything was happening, and you're like, I'm out of here?

00:43:36Guest:Yeah, something like that.

00:43:38Guest:I mean, I knew I had to not work, so I went to college.

00:43:43Guest:And kind of the deal I had with my parents, if you went to college, you know, they would pay for it.

00:43:47Guest:Yeah.

00:43:48Guest:And you could sort of continue.

00:43:50Guest:Yeah, why not?

00:43:51Guest:Why not go to summer camp?

00:43:52Guest:Yeah.

00:43:53Guest:So I went to not one, not two, but three years of junior college.

00:43:57Guest:Good for you.

00:43:58Guest:While I lived at home.

00:43:59Guest:Take your time.

00:44:00Marc:Yeah.

00:44:01Yeah.

00:44:02Marc:What is a junior college exactly?

00:44:04Marc:A two-year program?

00:44:05Marc:It's a two-year institution.

00:44:06Marc:And you went to three years?

00:44:07Guest:Yeah, I went three years there.

00:44:08Marc:What did you study?

00:44:09Guest:I was having so much fun.

00:44:10Guest:Well, it was good.

00:44:11Guest:I studied music and theater and been hanging out.

00:44:16Guest:I had a good time there.

00:44:17Guest:Yeah.

00:44:18Guest:And also, if you went there, I remember they would have to take you into the university.

00:44:23Marc:Right.

00:44:24Guest:It was part of the deal.

00:44:25Guest:Yeah, directly.

00:44:26Guest:I was like, wait a minute.

00:44:27Guest:So this means I don't have to take my SATs.

00:44:29Guest:Yeah, I didn't take mine either.

00:44:30Guest:Isn't that weird?

00:44:31Guest:no i know it's like and i just did not want to take that test yeah i didn't think i was gonna do good on it and it just sounded like a horrible nightmarish day of just like pencil and filling in things i was like i didn't want any part of that and then you came to la and where did and you well first i was gonna go to northridge yeah

00:44:50Guest:Cause I didn't really know LA and I had a girlfriend and she was like, no, you can't go to Northridge.

00:44:55Guest:It's in the Valley.

00:44:56Guest:I don't know.

00:44:57Guest:What's the Valley.

00:44:57Guest:Right.

00:44:58Guest:I don't even know where that is.

00:44:59Guest:Sure.

00:44:59Guest:But I was like looking and it was like, well, there's great guitar program there in Northridge.

00:45:04Guest:I should go there.

00:45:05Guest:Yeah.

00:45:05Guest:Cause I was going back and forth acting or do I want to be like, maybe I want to be like studio guitars or something.

00:45:10Guest:Sure.

00:45:11Guest:I study really hard.

00:45:12Guest:Maybe I could do that.

00:45:13Guest:Yeah.

00:45:13Guest:But then she was like, no, you gotta go to UCLA.

00:45:17Guest:It's really like, it's cosmopolitan and there's cool people there.

00:45:20Guest:It's like, okay, I'll go there.

00:45:22Guest:Yeah.

00:45:23Guest:And then I went to UCLA and then I realized I was completely unprepared for any kind of actual university curriculum.

00:45:29Guest:Sure.

00:45:30Guest:My first class and my first paper I turned in, the teacher was like, you need like remedial writing.

00:45:37Guest:That's the worst.

00:45:38Guest:And reading.

00:45:38Guest:I was like, whoa, what am I going to do now?

00:45:42Guest:Yeah.

00:45:42Yeah.

00:45:42Guest:so I think I was only really there for like four quarters and I got in as a music major but I really was like well I was hanging out at the theater department and that was really where it was at so building things or being in things well being in things I got cast in a couple things I was like well this was really fun so were you with Tim when he started the actors gang

00:46:00Guest:No, he did one production, Ubu the King, and that was like their first production.

00:46:05Guest:And then I think I was in the second production called Out of Sight, Out of Mind.

00:46:10Guest:Yeah.

00:46:10Guest:Which was written by Tim, but directed by Richard Olivier.

00:46:14Guest:Do you remember Richard?

00:46:15Guest:Of course, son of Lawrence.

00:46:17Guest:Son of Lawrence Olivier.

00:46:18Guest:Was he really, Charlie?

00:46:19Guest:Yeah.

00:46:19Guest:Is he still around?

00:46:20Guest:I think he is.

00:46:21Guest:I think he's like directing.

00:46:22Guest:I haven't really...

00:46:22Marc:yeah he's doing something where he uh through he uh he motivates corporations through shakespearean theatrical productions i heard that does he rewrite them i don't know like does the uh the monarchy become the corporation and and you just readjust i don't think it's that no that i think it's more like do the corporate guys have to yeah play roles or something

00:46:48Marc:Like corporate comics, they have to go ask, okay, who's the boss guy?

00:46:53Marc:And who's the guy that everyone makes fun of?

00:46:55Marc:We'll integrate them into the show.

00:46:58Marc:Integrate that into Shakespeare.

00:47:00Guest:Maybe he goes into DreamWorks and he does a little Shakespearean play about how DreamWorks could someday take over everything.

00:47:11Guest:Yeah, I don't know.

00:47:12Guest:Reality.

00:47:12Guest:I don't really know what it is.

00:47:15Marc:That's got to be a burden to be Lawrence Olivier's kid.

00:47:17Marc:What did your parents do?

00:47:19Marc:Yeah, you could tell.

00:47:19Marc:It was kind of like weighing on him, I think.

00:47:21Guest:How could he not?

00:47:22Guest:He felt like the burden.

00:47:23Guest:What did your parents do, Jack?

00:47:26Guest:My parents are satellite engineers.

00:47:29Guest:Still?

00:47:30Guest:No, retired.

00:47:31Guest:They were into aerospace engineering.

00:47:36Guest:I don't really understand what they were doing.

00:47:40Marc:But I know that my mother... They couldn't tell you because they'd have to kill you?

00:47:43Guest:Kind of.

00:47:44Guest:My dad did some stuff that he didn't tell me until recently because now everybody knows about it.

00:47:52Guest:Like what?

00:47:52Guest:You know, the telescope that looks down at people.

00:47:57Guest:Takes pictures of people.

00:47:58Guest:And can see a postage stamp on the ground.

00:48:00Guest:That was him.

00:48:00Guest:From space.

00:48:01Guest:He started Google Earth.

00:48:02Guest:He was working on that.

00:48:02Guest:Really?

00:48:03Guest:And my mom worked on the Hubble Space Telescope, and that's pretty cool.

00:48:07Guest:Yeah.

00:48:07Guest:But not a secret.

00:48:09Guest:Yeah.

00:48:10Marc:So they were like heavy duty engineer math kind of people.

00:48:14Guest:That would have been me if not for the glue sniffing.

00:48:17Guest:That's when I became an actor.

00:48:20Guest:And what did your parents do?

00:48:21Guest:Well, my dad was a fireman.

00:48:23Guest:Really?

00:48:23Guest:Yeah.

00:48:24Marc:I don't know why I said that like that, like you're lying.

00:48:26Marc:It's one of those, like, iconic jobs.

00:48:28Marc:Sure it is.

00:48:28Marc:Nobody really has.

00:48:29Marc:It's something you've been proud of, like, between ages seven and, like, 15.

00:48:33Marc:You know, you're like, you're a fireman.

00:48:34Guest:But I remember every time I went and visited him, he was kind of, like, sacked out in his chair.

00:48:38Guest:It was really sort of a quiet neighborhood.

00:48:39Marc:Yeah.

00:48:40Guest:At the station house?

00:48:41Guest:Yeah, watching TV.

00:48:42Guest:Did they have a pole?

00:48:42Marc:What?

00:48:42Guest:Did they have a pole?

00:48:44Guest:No pole.

00:48:45Guest:Yeah.

00:48:46Marc:So you couldn't really live the dream.

00:48:48Marc:No dog?

00:48:48Marc:Was there a Dalmatian?

00:48:50Marc:No Dalmatian.

00:48:52Marc:No?

00:48:52Marc:Was there a guy cooking all the time?

00:48:53Guest:And I was like, oh, I see why you have this job, Dad.

00:48:57Guest:It's because it's really easy.

00:49:00Guest:Oh, wait, we're cut from the same cloth, I think.

00:49:02Guest:We're looking for a way out.

00:49:03Guest:No, but every once in a while, there would be very intense danger.

00:49:06Guest:That's right.

00:49:07Guest:It was 99% boredom, and then 1% save life.

00:49:10Guest:Yeah.

00:49:11Guest:Rush into heart attack.

00:49:13Guest:But he was kind of equipped that way.

00:49:16Marc:I never thought about it that way.

00:49:17Marc:It's sort of like, yeah, I can do that once in a while.

00:49:19Marc:But the rest of the time, we just hang out.

00:49:21Guest:Watch some television.

00:49:22Marc:Talk to the guys.

00:49:23Marc:It really was.

00:49:24Marc:Crosswords.

00:49:27Marc:When Tenacious D started, it was hard to do musical comedy.

00:49:32Marc:Just as a comic, I know it was difficult when you'd see a musical act.

00:49:35Marc:They were doing song parody, or they were doing silly songs.

00:49:37Marc:And it becomes sort of a novelty act.

00:49:39Marc:But somehow or another, you guys have transcended

00:49:41Guest:the musical comedy act and made it have some integrity sheer talent well we never did any we never did any uh uh sparities parity right so that that's how we avoided it just by never doing steered clear of the weird oh yeah we were actually really were trying to be a great uh uh rock band and that uh with a funny with a funny angle

00:50:04Marc:Is that true?

00:50:05Marc:I mean, is that part of the myth of Tenacious D?

00:50:08Marc:Or you guys actually said we're going to be a great band?

00:50:10Guest:Our first song was the greatest song in the world, tribute.

00:50:13Guest:And it was great.

00:50:13Guest:And we were trying to be great.

00:50:17Guest:And you were.

00:50:17Guest:We started off actually writing serious songs.

00:50:22Guest:Yeah.

00:50:22Guest:And they just didn't sound very good.

00:50:25Guest:Like what?

00:50:26Guest:Like earnest songs?

00:50:27Guest:Yeah.

00:50:28Guest:About heartbreak.

00:50:29Guest:Oh, really?

00:50:30Guest:Yeah.

00:50:30Guest:I think the earnestness bothered you.

00:50:33Guest:Yeah.

00:50:33Guest:I didn't think you wanted it.

00:50:35Guest:You didn't want to bury it.

00:50:36Guest:I think the comedy allowed us to.

00:50:39Guest:Yeah, the earnestness was very embarrassing to me.

00:50:42Guest:And I didn't think that we were good at it.

00:50:46Guest:Right.

00:50:47Guest:That's not who we were.

00:50:49Guest:Yeah, once we figured out that we were clowns, that freed us up in a way.

00:50:54Guest:But neither one of you initially thought you were clowns.

00:51:00Marc:I mean, I was a class clown.

00:51:02Marc:I knew I had that in me.

00:51:03Marc:But you wanted to write serious music.

00:51:05Guest:Yeah, I think when all your heroes are kind of doing it, you look to people that you admire and it's like, well, they're all writing.

00:51:13Marc:But that's interesting to me because you didn't see yourself as a comedic actor necessarily and you were a serious actor.

00:51:18Guest:It did not take long.

00:51:20Guest:Right.

00:51:20Guest:I mean, it was literally like the second song.

00:51:23Guest:Yeah.

00:51:24Guest:And then it seemed like, well, this is comfortable.

00:51:26Guest:And we performed it at like a coffee house as part of a comedy show.

00:51:30Guest:I was like, well, yeah, this is fun.

00:51:32Marc:But was Tenacious D the first time that either of you guys realized that, you know, comedy was your thing?

00:51:38Marc:um because the bob roberts role and i don't know how many you had under your belt at that time and that was a yeah that was a fairly disturbing you know portrait of a fanatic yeah and you know it was you know it wasn't funny necessarily but it was very i mean i remember it very vividly but so when you guys started because you're a comedy force i mean you've defined something in modern comedy but initially you were like you know let's let's try serious music and and and did this define your comedic personalities

00:52:06Guest:I think in terms of acting.

00:52:08Guest:It definitely defined my voice.

00:52:13Guest:Yeah.

00:52:13Guest:Because before that, like you say, there was the Bob Roberts role.

00:52:18Guest:That was a fun thing.

00:52:19Guest:But for the most part, it was just a bunch of bit parts that weren't very good.

00:52:25Guest:I couldn't really get a handhold in the biz.

00:52:29Guest:Right.

00:52:31Guest:And then when we started writing these songs, it felt like suddenly, oh, this is it.

00:52:36Marc:This is who we can be.

00:52:40Marc:You managed your intensity, and you were able to take it over the top in the context of the music thing.

00:52:44Marc:And then you're like, I finally found a channel.

00:52:47Marc:Yeah, exactly.

00:52:49Marc:Yeah, I mean, in a context.

00:52:52Marc:So it sort of did define your personality.

00:52:54Marc:Yeah.

00:52:54Marc:And with you, like in working as a comedy team, once you realize like, okay, we're doing this seriously, but we're a comedy team.

00:53:03Marc:Right.

00:53:03Marc:I have to assume.

00:53:04Guest:But there is that, I think for both of us, there is always, you want, as musicians, you want to rock.

00:53:11Guest:I mean, we're big fans.

00:53:12Guest:Well, you definitely rock.

00:53:13Guest:right but the desire to i mean other than like you're saying guitar comics and stuff right where you go well they're not really trying to rock they're trying to be funny maybe like the parody or sort of a funny kind of concept within the song it's about the jokes but you're you're you're actually trying to rock and then there's some kind of funny sauce mixed in we always we always raw we always like to rock hard but uh it feels like comedy is the is the ingredient that makes it combustible it's the

00:53:40Guest:And we've always done this on all three of our albums where, you know, we'll have a bunch of songs and then we'll go, okay, this one is just not very funny and it doesn't seem... Right.

00:53:50Guest:So that's kind of always been our thing.

00:53:52Guest:It's like, is it funny?

00:53:53Guest:Okay, no, then it's going to go over there.

00:53:55Guest:We'll keep it in this... Right, right.

00:53:58Guest:If there's nothing funny about it, as good as we can be, it still doesn't seem like it...

00:54:03Marc:Well that's it, even the roadie song, there was something reasonable and honest about that portrayal of the situation.

00:54:11Marc:And there's a passion you bring to it that's sort of like, well he means it, he means business.

00:54:15Marc:I've interviewed Al Yankovic and he's another guy

00:54:19Marc:That has a lot of integrity to him, even though he writes these funny songs.

00:54:22Marc:I mean, he's he's thoroughly himself.

00:54:24Marc:And, you know, he changed kids lives.

00:54:26Marc:I mean, I didn't grow up with Yankovic, but but people who talk about how Yankovic, I mean, like, I think that you guys did the same thing.

00:54:33Marc:There was this crew of like, you know, nine to 17 year olds that grew up listening to Nate to Tenacious D. And you're an important part of their childhood.

00:54:42Marc:Yeah.

00:54:43Marc:Do you ever feel that?

00:54:44Guest:Yeah.

00:54:44Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:54:44Marc:Do you guys come up to you like little rockers?

00:54:46Guest:It is weird.

00:54:47Guest:Well, we've been on tour for the last few months, and it's weird to see kids come up that are 18 and 19.

00:54:53Guest:It's like, well, how do you even know who we are?

00:54:55Guest:And they were listening when they were nine.

00:54:57Guest:Right.

00:54:58Guest:Yeah, that's how.

00:54:58Guest:Their parents let them listen to you.

00:55:01Guest:Or more likely, their older brothers or sisters.

00:55:03Guest:Right, right, right.

00:55:04Guest:Older brothers.

00:55:05Marc:You probably were the gateway drug to heavy metal for a lot of kids who could have had better lives.

00:55:12Marc:A corrupting influence.

00:55:14Marc:Now, when you guys did the show, I mean, how did that come about?

00:55:18Marc:Was that from the Mr. Show performances?

00:55:20Marc:Oh, the HBO show?

00:55:21Marc:Yeah.

00:55:22Guest:That was really, yeah, that was the Mr. Show.

00:55:25Guest:Bob, as much as anybody, really.

00:55:27Guest:Well, it was David Cross who saw us at Al's Bar, which is one of our early shows in 94.

00:55:33Guest:Right.

00:55:35Guest:I remember it's 94 because it was right around the time of O.J.

00:55:39Guest:'s infamous White Bronco ride.

00:55:43Guest:The Drive.

00:55:44Marc:Yeah, and we had a song about O.J.

00:55:46Marc:at the time.

00:55:49Marc:Yeah.

00:55:49Marc:Now, who decided on the format of that thing?

00:55:52Marc:Because I think it's arguable that you guys were the predecessors to Adult Swim and doing short-form story comedies.

00:55:58Guest:I know.

00:55:59Guest:We were ahead of the curve there.

00:56:00Marc:No, definitely we were ahead of the curve.

00:56:02Guest:Yeah.

00:56:03Guest:worked up some little sketches and treatments for storylines for shows with Ben Stiller.

00:56:12Guest:And we actually went into HBO with Ben.

00:56:15Guest:Oh, that's right.

00:56:16Guest:And they turned us down.

00:56:17Guest:I'm like, oh, man.

00:56:19Guest:Really?

00:56:19Guest:That sucks.

00:56:20Guest:And then Odenkirk.

00:56:21Guest:Did you point at Ben?

00:56:21Guest:But Ben's here.

00:56:22Guest:Yeah.

00:56:25Guest:Well, Ben wasn't really there yet.

00:56:28Guest:He had just finished the Ben Stiller show.

00:56:31Guest:Right.

00:56:32Guest:But for one reason or another, it seemed that HBO had aligned themselves with Bob and David.

00:56:36Guest:Right.

00:56:37Guest:That camp of that show.

00:56:38Guest:They split off.

00:56:39Guest:Right.

00:56:39Guest:And there was two different camps.

00:56:41Guest:Right.

00:56:42Guest:And Mr. Show had gotten a deal.

00:56:44Guest:And so they were like, why don't you come with us, though?

00:56:47Guest:Yeah.

00:56:47Guest:And we'll just, we'll put you in.

00:56:49Guest:We'll slide you in.

00:56:50Guest:And we're like, no, they already said no.

00:56:51Guest:And they said, don't worry, we'll get you in there.

00:56:53Guest:And then really, we were supposed to be part of Mr. Show.

00:56:56Guest:Right.

00:56:56Marc:yeah but that was kind of the original plan was we were going to be like and what did that end in disappointment or yeah that was actually i was really disappointed how did it end the uh our run on hbo well no i mean like the fact that mr show wanted to they said that they were going to integrate you yeah and then all of a sudden they're like well we don't know where to fit you in no it's it's much better yeah no it's better end up but i remember at the time i was really bummed i don't even remember that i just remember

00:57:21Guest:we had you know these a little 10-minute nuggets that yeah but that was you know Bob and David definitely shaped the the the the the format the yeah the 10-minute nuggets with that was from them yeah who directed those Tom Giannis the great Tom Giannis and he did it he did Sarah's movie too and he did you know he's done a lot of stuff right

00:57:44Guest:I don't know.

00:57:45Guest:Did he do Sarah's movie?

00:57:46Guest:No, no.

00:57:47Guest:Liam Lynch did Sarah.

00:57:48Guest:Oh, Liam Lynch.

00:57:48Guest:Right, right.

00:57:49Guest:And he did our movie, The Pick of Destiny.

00:57:51Marc:He dated Sarah Silverman, though.

00:57:53Marc:Oh, really?

00:57:53Guest:Yes.

00:57:54Guest:Tom Giannis dated Sarah Silverman.

00:57:55Marc:Well, that's something.

00:57:57Guest:Indeed.

00:57:58Guest:And now we're playing Tom's wedding later this month.

00:58:01Guest:Yeah.

00:58:02Guest:He's asked us to play on his rooftop.

00:58:05Guest:He's going to have a wedding on the roof.

00:58:06Guest:What's the deal with a rooftop wedding?

00:58:08Guest:Have you ever heard of that?

00:58:09Guest:I just went to a very odd wedding.

00:58:10Guest:Is that some kind of like fiddle around the roof thing to do?

00:58:12Guest:Yeah, it seems a little... Where is the rooftop?

00:58:14Guest:Seems like a Greek thing.

00:58:15Guest:Where is the rooftop?

00:58:17Guest:Downtown.

00:58:18Guest:Downtown.

00:58:19Guest:Yeah, maybe it's like a loft.

00:58:21Marc:That sounds fun.

00:58:22Marc:So when you guys work, like when you guys do the live shows, I mean, how much... Because, I mean, you definitely have a dynamic, a team dynamic.

00:58:28Marc:I mean, you're the intense...

00:58:29Marc:yeah wild man and you're the grounded you know i've got this guy and uh like is there a scripting when you do uh when you do concerts or when you do the the musical comedy i mean do you know when you're sort of like the funny beat happens do you say like all right here you you know you pause and you know pull back and make your face and you know how much how much teamwork is involved in that well i'd like to see the script for that well we don't have it scripted but we definitely have beats yeah and if it doesn't go right you know we'll look at each other askance and go

00:58:58Guest:What are you doing?

00:58:58Guest:Don't you know?

00:58:59Guest:That's the part where we do the thing.

00:59:01Guest:Oh, God, you ruined it.

00:59:03Guest:But then that becomes part of the act, too, is our anger towards each other.

00:59:07Guest:Yeah.

00:59:07Guest:I think we get to skate a lot on that.

00:59:09Guest:I think, you know.

00:59:10Marc:When was the last time I... I think I saw both of you guys at some... I showed up at your birthday party in a weird...

00:59:16Marc:Morgan Murph said, I'm going to Jack's party.

00:59:19Marc:And I'm like, is it a party?

00:59:20Guest:You're like, yeah.

00:59:21Marc:No, no.

00:59:22Marc:This was in New York when you were hosting the MTV Music Awards and you were renting some apartment and you had a birthday party.

00:59:28Marc:And I'm like, well, if there's a lot of people going, I walk in and it's just like four of you.

00:59:31Marc:It's you and Kyle and Tim Robbins and Gagné, the director.

00:59:36Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:59:37Marc:The Michel Gondry.

00:59:39Marc:Michel Gondry.

00:59:40Marc:Yeah.

00:59:40Marc:And then I walk in and I'm like, I shouldn't be here.

00:59:42Guest:You know who else was there was a Dan Harmon.

00:59:46Guest:Yeah, he was right right in the music.

00:59:48Marc:That's right And I didn't know him then I just knew that I was uncomfortable and I and you were very polite I've seen Mark before You're always welcome It's so bizarre now that you have a very popular podcast anytime

01:00:07Marc:Man, that's your ticket in.

01:00:09Marc:What compelled you to reunite and do this thing, the new record, Rise of the Phoenix?

01:00:13Marc:I mean, what was happening?

01:00:15Guest:What was the decision?

01:00:15Guest:Here's the thing.

01:00:16Guest:When you say, what compelled you to make another album, it suggests that we had lost it and there was no reason to.

01:00:23Guest:The reason is obvious.

01:00:24Guest:I mean, why does any great band go out and make another album?

01:00:29Guest:So the question is offensive.

01:00:31Guest:But the answer is...

01:00:34Guest:Kyle is my... No, it's not the money.

01:00:38Guest:There's no money in this industry.

01:00:40Guest:Did we get paid anything to do?

01:00:42Guest:Was there any leftover?

01:00:43Guest:We got paid.

01:00:44Guest:What you get is like they give you some money to make a record.

01:00:46Guest:Yeah.

01:00:47Guest:And then you try to make it for less money than what they give you.

01:00:50Guest:So you don't owe them money.

01:00:53Guest:Exactly.

01:00:54Guest:But inevitably you use up all the money.

01:00:57Guest:You end up asking them for more.

01:00:59Guest:And they say, sure.

01:00:59Guest:And then it'll just be a few more years before you ever get any of the back end.

01:01:03Guest:Right.

01:01:04Guest:and now since nobody ever buys but no here's why we did it okay okay kyle is my jelly yeah without kyle i'm just delicious delicious peanut butter right which is fine on its own right actually some people prefer it but when you add it to jelly yeah it makes something

01:01:24Guest:unbelievably delicious.

01:01:25Guest:Transcendent.

01:01:26Guest:Now, why would I turn my back on my jelly?

01:01:29Guest:I hear you.

01:01:30Guest:Once you find your jelly, there's just no reason to keep searching.

01:01:34Guest:But was the jelly bothering you to do another record?

01:01:39Guest:No, in fact, the jelly, you were talking about breaking up.

01:01:45Guest:You wanted to quit the match.

01:01:48Guest:Well, that's a whole other can of worms.

01:01:50Guest:No, here's the thing.

01:01:51Guest:Is that a real can of worms?

01:01:53Guest:Well, we always break up.

01:01:54Guest:It's a fiery relationship.

01:01:56Guest:Is it?

01:01:57Guest:Not really.

01:01:57Guest:Well, sometimes.

01:01:59Guest:We're like brothers in that we're highly competitive with each other and there's a lot of love and there's also an endless battle for control.

01:02:08Guest:In the band.

01:02:09Guest:In the band.

01:02:10Marc:Well, also in life.

01:02:14Guest:We're both on diets right now, and Kyle won't tell you, but he's secretly hoping to win and be lighter than me.

01:02:20Guest:I'll tell you.

01:02:22Guest:Of course.

01:02:22Guest:I want to encourage you by...

01:02:24Guest:Winning.

01:02:25Guest:By winning and lording it over me.

01:02:27Marc:Without being too... I don't want to be provocative.

01:02:31Marc:Oh, God, please.

01:02:34Marc:As if.

01:02:35Marc:But there's no denying the fact that at some point Tenacious D happened, and then Jack Black happened.

01:02:43Marc:Now, was the jelly upset?

01:02:45Guest:The jelly... Yeah, the jelly did fall off the bread a little bit.

01:02:51Guest:I mean...

01:02:52Guest:Well, it's always that, you know, it's a half full, half empty sort of thing.

01:03:01Guest:On one hand, I mean, it's been the greatest thing ever for me.

01:03:06Guest:But then on the other hand, it's like, well, wait a minute.

01:03:09Guest:How come I'm not in...

01:03:10Guest:Yeah.

01:03:11Guest:Starring in my own movies.

01:03:12Guest:Yeah.

01:03:13Guest:How come I can walk through an airport so easily?

01:03:17Guest:What's happening here?

01:03:19Guest:Yeah.

01:03:19Guest:And then you have to sort of reconcile.

01:03:21Guest:Well, I don't know.

01:03:22Guest:That's just the way it is.

01:03:23Guest:And then, but as long as it's sort of, there's been, you know, and then I do, I love to do it.

01:03:28Guest:And then, you know, there's long breaks.

01:03:32Guest:Yeah.

01:03:33Guest:I mean, like, a couple of years.

01:03:35Guest:Well, then I desperately would start.

01:03:36Guest:I mean, for a while, I would just really start a lot of side projects.

01:03:40Guest:yeah and uh like like just like a half band projects did you audition guys who maybe were like jack to do musical projects yes there's always that feeling of like well wait let me see how good you know i can do on my own right and then failing time after time i realized that without jack i am

01:04:01Guest:Worth nothing.

01:04:03Guest:That's not true.

01:04:04Guest:And so now I just really come to terms and have really given up on anything but the D and I've accepted it and have really become much happier.

01:04:14Guest:Okay.

01:04:14Guest:Well, that's a beautiful story.

01:04:16Marc:Yeah.

01:04:17Marc:Thank you.

01:04:17Marc:That's a growing up story.

01:04:20Guest:I don't know that that's entirely true.

01:04:22Guest:I mean, you have other...

01:04:24Guest:other gigs that you've done over the years.

01:04:26Guest:You know, we were in a lot of acting.

01:04:28Guest:You and I were both in Almost Famous.

01:04:30Guest:Except they cut me out.

01:04:32Guest:I had nothing to do with that.

01:04:33Guest:What happened?

01:04:34Guest:They left you in?

01:04:35Guest:Yeah.

01:04:35Guest:Oh.

01:04:37Guest:What?

01:04:39Guest:I don't know.

01:04:41Guest:Did you talk to Cameron?

01:04:42Guest:I just insulted both of you at the same time.

01:04:44Guest:Well, how long?

01:04:44Guest:My part was like a minute and a half.

01:04:46Marc:Well, mine was probably, you know, four minutes.

01:04:50Marc:Maybe that was just four minutes.

01:04:51Marc:That was probably, yeah.

01:04:52Marc:It was like down to you and me.

01:04:54Marc:I made it in the bootleg.

01:04:55Marc:It's a hell of a DVD extra.

01:04:57Marc:It is.

01:04:58Marc:No, the director's cut it.

01:04:59Marc:My scene's a little longer, and it's actually a better movie because they deal with all the guys as opposed to just the primary relationship.

01:05:07Marc:I think you did great work in that.

01:05:09Guest:Thanks, Mark.

01:05:10Marc:Yeah, I think so, too.

01:05:12Guest:Well, of course you can say that.

01:05:16Guest:I don't know.

01:05:16Guest:A lot of pain just underneath.

01:05:18Marc:And, Jack, on the other side of this, are you happy with the direction of the juggernaut that is you at this point in time?

01:05:25Guest:I'm not happy.

01:05:27Guest:I definitely feel like things have slowed down on the movie front.

01:05:31Guest:I feel the pinch.

01:05:33Guest:I mean, I'm fine financially.

01:05:36Guest:I saved away some... Did you stash away some gold?

01:05:41Guest:uh some chipmunk nuts yeah what are those called nuts nuts i put those yeah put the nuts away got a little nest egg for the boys uh college fund how many you got i got two boys but uh you know it's uh it's a tough time it's a tough time to get like i haven't worked in a year it's been a year since i've had a movie but um you know you just keep on you keep on plugging away

01:06:05Marc:Well, when you did, like, what did I see?

01:06:08Marc:Is it Margo's Wedding?

01:06:09Marc:Is that the... Margo at the Wedding.

01:06:11Marc:Margo at the Wedding?

01:06:11Marc:Yeah.

01:06:12Marc:Like, you did a couple movies where, you know, because you were... There were the huge roles, and then you did a couple of those sweet little roles.

01:06:18Marc:Yeah.

01:06:18Marc:And they were great, and it must have felt good to turn it down a little bit.

01:06:23Marc:It does feel good.

01:06:24Guest:I liked working with Michel Gondry.

01:06:26Guest:When we came to my birthday party, we were working on a little... Be Kind Rewind.

01:06:30Guest:Be Kind Rewind.

01:06:30Guest:What's his name?

01:06:31Guest:Michel Gondry.

01:06:32Marc:Did he do Eternal Sunshine?

01:06:34Guest:Yeah, the best.

01:06:35Marc:That's amazing.

01:06:36Marc:I just watched it the other night, the whole thing.

01:06:37Guest:Made me cry.

01:06:38Guest:One of the best movies of all time.

01:06:40Marc:Does it make you cry?

01:06:42Guest:I'm gonna catch it.

01:06:43Guest:I definitely got emotional.

01:06:44Guest:You did, right?

01:06:45Guest:Oh, man.

01:06:46Marc:Now, your boys, are they artsy?

01:06:48Guest:They like to put on a show.

01:06:50Guest:Yeah?

01:06:50Guest:Yeah.

01:06:52Guest:They're six and four years old.

01:06:55Guest:Sammy, my six-year-old, likes to write little stories.

01:06:59Guest:Well, I'm his secretary.

01:07:01Guest:He'll tell me what to write, and then he'll do little sketches on it.

01:07:05Guest:I was working on one called The Dragon and the Bat.

01:07:07Guest:Yeah.

01:07:08Guest:And just the other day, I downloaded an app on my iPhone because he wanted to make a movie of it.

01:07:14Guest:Yeah.

01:07:15Guest:And so we did it on my iPhone.

01:07:17Guest:I can show you a little...

01:07:18Guest:That's good radio.

01:07:19Guest:That would be great for the listener.

01:07:20Guest:No.

01:07:20Guest:Now, are you like Uncle Kyle?

01:07:22Marc:I mean, do you like him?

01:07:23Guest:Well, I'm the godfather.

01:07:25Guest:Oh, you're the dogfather.

01:07:27Guest:I'm the dogfather.

01:07:27Guest:Yeah.

01:07:28Guest:But I'm not really allowed to see him.

01:07:32Guest:Yeah, it's rough.

01:07:33Guest:Until adolescence, I think.

01:07:34Guest:Kyle never, ever has any interest in coming over to the house.

01:07:39Guest:I haven't been invited once.

01:07:42Marc:Is that a real thing?

01:07:43Marc:You don't go to his house?

01:07:44Marc:I don't, no.

01:07:44Guest:That's not true.

01:07:46Guest:I do invite you over.

01:07:47Marc:Why don't you go to Jack's house, Kyle?

01:07:49Marc:What's that?

01:07:51Guest:Why don't you go there?

01:07:52Guest:By the way, I've received zero invites over to your ranch since you've lived there.

01:07:57Guest:The jelly ranch.

01:07:58Guest:I think what it is is that when we work together,

01:08:02Guest:We see a lot of each other.

01:08:04Guest:Right.

01:08:05Guest:And I think the natural breaks are good.

01:08:08Guest:But I do enjoy seeing the kids when they do pop around.

01:08:10Guest:Yeah.

01:08:11Guest:Well, that's nice.

01:08:11Guest:Sometimes I invite Kyle over and he's like, I already seen that movie.

01:08:16Guest:Got better things to do.

01:08:17Guest:Oh, my God.

01:08:18Guest:Don't show up to movie night.

01:08:20Guest:But anyway, I just have to say something.

01:08:23Guest:If you're going to make me look like the bad Hollywood guy up on the mountain, I have to fight back a little bit.

01:08:29Marc:When you do the kids' movies, do you do it for your kids or do you do it because you like doing them?

01:08:35Marc:When I what?

01:08:36Marc:When you do the big, fun family movies.

01:08:39Marc:Oh.

01:08:39Guest:No, I like doing them.

01:08:41Guest:Yeah?

01:08:41Guest:Like Kung Fu Panda?

01:08:42Marc:Kung Fu Panda and the one where you're a giant.

01:08:44Guest:Kung Fu Panda was a tough call, actually.

01:08:47Guest:At first, I said no to Kung Fu Panda just because I got the heebie-jeebies when I thought of just doing straight up kid thing.

01:08:57Guest:Yeah.

01:08:58Guest:Felt a little romper roomy.

01:08:59Guest:Yeah.

01:09:00Guest:But then...

01:09:02Guest:He took the art of the panda.

01:09:05Guest:They got someone to sketch out a little sample animation, and he put it to the voice of my performance in High Fidelity.

01:09:13Guest:Really?

01:09:13Guest:And I was like, oh, I see.

01:09:16Guest:You mean I can do it like that?

01:09:18Guest:All right.

01:09:18Guest:Yeah, I'll do it.

01:09:20Guest:That's how he hooked me.

01:09:21Guest:He's kind of a genius when it comes to getting people to throw down in his animated films.

01:09:27Guest:Yeah.

01:09:27Guest:Everyone does animated now.

01:09:28Guest:That's like a sweet gig, right?

01:09:30Guest:It's a great gig because you just go in.

01:09:32Guest:There's no costume and makeup.

01:09:34Guest:You go work a few hours a month.

01:09:36Guest:Yeah.

01:09:37Guest:That's great.

01:09:38Marc:When you sang in High Fidelity, that was like a fucking game changer, right?

01:09:42Marc:Yeah, that was a big deal.

01:09:44Guest:That was it, yeah.

01:09:45Guest:That was your big break.

01:09:46Marc:Because I remember seeing it.

01:09:47Guest:And Jesus' Son.

01:09:49Guest:Jesus' Son wasn't about to get things started, too.

01:09:52Marc:That was great.

01:09:53Marc:I forgot about that.

01:09:54Marc:2000 was a very good year.

01:09:57Marc:But when you sang, because when I saw you sing, there was that moment, it's like, this guy's going to sing, and then you're like, holy fuck.

01:10:03Marc:He sang the shit out of that thing.

01:10:06Marc:Thank you.

01:10:07Marc:And you were like, you sort of, that character, like at that time, I don't think was as prominent as it is now because like the character you played, the sort of, you know, music nerd guy was very specific.

01:10:16Marc:And now it's like they're everywhere.

01:10:18Marc:I could walk across the street and find one of those guys.

01:10:20Guest:Again, ahead of the curve.

01:10:22Marc:Whenever I see one, I say, you're welcome for your identity.

01:10:26Yeah.

01:10:26Marc:And when you did the Ben Stiller movie, which I love.

01:10:31Marc:Cable Guy?

01:10:32Marc:No, Tropic Thunder.

01:10:33Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:10:33Marc:I fucking love that movie.

01:10:36Marc:Was there a moment there where, because I know you've been doing big, goofy movies.

01:10:42Marc:Was the character you were playing, were you like, I know this guy.

01:10:46Marc:Um...

01:10:47Guest:uh yeah obviously yeah no it was uh very close to home what was it it was the uh what was the franchise the over-the-top fat comedian no i don't i don't it was a real stretch for me what was the franchise movie uh what was it called the fatties

01:11:05Guest:That was a pretty funny stuff.

01:11:08Guest:That was a powerful, powerful opener to the film.

01:11:11Guest:All the trailers for the upcoming.

01:11:13Guest:All those trailers, yeah.

01:11:14Guest:But Robert Downey was really the revelation in that movie.

01:11:18Guest:I thought the whole movie was really... Because while we were making it, Robert was still kind of struggling in the mire.

01:11:23Guest:He was not out of his funk yet.

01:11:25Guest:Really?

01:11:25Guest:Yeah.

01:11:26Guest:Oh, that's right.

01:11:26Guest:Now, it's like, holy crap.

01:11:28Guest:And I remember while we were making it, I was like, damn, he's funny.

01:11:30Guest:He's funny.

01:11:31Guest:He's good.

01:11:32Yeah.

01:11:32Guest:People are going to know.

01:11:33Guest:But I didn't know he was about to be launched, you know.

01:11:37Guest:Into superstardom.

01:11:38Marc:Into like the top of the mountain land.

01:11:40Marc:Yeah.

01:11:41Marc:It's wild, huh?

01:11:42Marc:I wasn't aware.

01:11:43Guest:My favorite laugh was the director stepping on the landline.

01:11:46Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:47Guest:Like 10 seconds into his spiel.

01:11:51Guest:That was the great thing in the script, too.

01:11:53Guest:The first 10 minutes, it looks like it's going to be all about this director.

01:11:56Guest:Yeah.

01:11:57Guest:And then he gets exploded.

01:11:59Guest:Just take him out.

01:12:01Guest:Right after his kick-ass St.

01:12:03Guest:Crespin's Day speech of what an awesome movie he's going to make.

01:12:08Guest:It's going to be out there.

01:12:10Marc:How many dates have you done with the Tenacious D so far?

01:12:14Guest:On this tour, I think we played like 30?

01:12:17Guest:Really?

01:12:18Guest:Maybe 40.

01:12:19Guest:Holy fuck.

01:12:20Guest:We did Europe.

01:12:21Guest:We did the United States.

01:12:23Marc:And what size rooms are you playing?

01:12:25Guest:We're playing anywhere from 100,000 to 2,000.

01:12:30Guest:We played a couple festivals.

01:12:32Guest:I don't know if that counts.

01:12:33Guest:That doesn't count.

01:12:34Guest:They were all there to see Metallica, but we played in front of 100,000 screaming Germans.

01:12:41Marc:Was that a first?

01:12:42Guest:Yeah.

01:12:44Guest:I mean, in terms of size?

01:12:45Guest:Number, yeah.

01:12:45Guest:Well, it was the most, but we played to comparable festivals.

01:12:49Guest:Like when we played in Reading and Leeds.

01:12:52Guest:Yeah.

01:12:53Guest:Reading was like 70,000.

01:12:55Marc:It was a lot of... That must be fucking insane.

01:12:57Guest:it's insane and it takes an adjustment time because when we first did it I was too nervous and it didn't I always gripping yeah and I was trying to scream and sing louder so the people in the back of what it was project it was just a dumb yeah projection thing

01:13:13Guest:And then I realized, oh, wait, they're not even watching the stage.

01:13:17Guest:They're watching this jumbotron that's right on my face.

01:13:20Guest:It's so close up that in a way it's better to go even more subtle than you would in a small house.

01:13:26Guest:Right, right.

01:13:27Guest:And so I just took it way down and then it just got into the groove.

01:13:31Guest:Now I...

01:13:32Guest:I'm pretty comfortable with the festivals.

01:13:34Marc:Do you feel them lock in?

01:13:35Marc:I mean, is it like playing, like, can you, like, being stage guys, I mean, when you do an audience of 500, you can feel, you know, a pin drop, and you feel the energy of the place focused on you.

01:13:45Guest:You're not really going to hear a pin drop.

01:13:47Marc:No, I know, but do you feel that you lock them?

01:13:49Guest:You know, it's harder with a big one.

01:13:53Guest:But, you know, the Jumbotron is kind of the equalizer.

01:13:55Guest:We kind of had a quantum leap technically where this tour we went in-ear monitors.

01:13:59Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:14:00Guest:And that has really helped me a lot.

01:14:03Guest:Well, yeah.

01:14:04Guest:I mean, sound and...

01:14:06Guest:I was having some trouble just hearing my own voice sometimes, and I felt like it was affecting my pitch.

01:14:12Guest:Like I would go sharp a lot.

01:14:14Guest:So it was like the inner ear was a huge.

01:14:16Guest:It's like, you know, when someone touches just one ear while they're singing in the studio.

01:14:19Guest:It's like having that.

01:14:20Guest:It's like having that on both ears at all times.

01:14:22Guest:So are you going to do another movie?

01:14:24Guest:There is another movie I want to make with Michael Winterbottom.

01:14:28Guest:Did you ever see 24-Hour Party People?

01:14:30Guest:No.

01:14:30Guest:Yeah, he's a great English director, indie guy.

01:14:34Guest:And you can do a Tenacious D movie?

01:14:37Guest:We're going to skip to part three, I think.

01:14:39Guest:We did...

01:14:40Guest:You know, Pick of Destiny was a bomb.

01:14:45Guest:I don't know if you heard.

01:14:46Guest:Nobody went to see that in the theaters.

01:14:48Guest:Right.

01:14:49Guest:So it's owned by Warner Brothers.

01:14:52Guest:Yeah.

01:14:53Guest:And I don't think they're going to just let us have it back.

01:14:56Guest:Right.

01:14:57Guest:Weirdly.

01:14:57Guest:It's like they don't want to make another movie, but they don't want us to go make another movie somewhere.

01:15:03Guest:What do you mean?

01:15:03Guest:They own the rights to the Tenacious D movie franchise?

01:15:06Guest:We sold our soul when we made the deal to make the movie.

01:15:10Marc:So how would you approach another movie together?

01:15:12Guest:We would have to do it... We'd probably pitch them an idea.

01:15:17Guest:In another country, maybe?

01:15:18Guest:If we went to another country?

01:15:20Guest:I think... And change your name, and you're on the Witness Protection Program?

01:15:24Guest:We've got a plan to take it to the internets, because apparently there's still some Wild West... Yeah, it's right here, yeah.

01:15:31Marc:Do the CK thing?

01:15:33Marc:That's what we're going to do.

01:15:34Marc:And you can do that without Warner Brothers crushing you with their large Warner Brothers thumbs?

01:15:39Guest:We've got a plan to do an animated series, a tenacious animated series.

01:15:44Guest:Oh, that'll be good.

01:15:44Guest:Yeah, and we'll probably be solving crimes and writing songs.

01:15:49Marc:Right, but the crime solving will be up front, not so you don't piss off Warner Brothers, and occasionally these cops will be like, hey, there's guitars here.

01:15:57Guest:All right, you want to do another song?

01:15:58Guest:Yeah, sure.

01:16:00Guest:What should we play?

01:16:00Guest:I don't know.

01:16:03Guest:I don't know.

01:16:04Guest:Well, I guess we should take a Marc Maron request.

01:16:08Guest:You're a major Tenacious D fan.

01:16:12Guest:You don't know any of our songs.

01:16:14Guest:What I would like you to do... This is just to make you uncomfortable.

01:16:17Guest:Any song you want.

01:16:18Guest:Can you name one?

01:16:19Marc:What I would like you to do is to play the song that you're the most fucking excited about writing, this record.

01:16:26Marc:Oh.

01:16:27Marc:Hey.

01:16:28Marc:Like the one where you wrote it and you're like, oh, fuck yes.

01:16:31Guest:Yeah.

01:16:32Guest:Well, um...

01:16:34Guest:Dude, I think we should do, oh, should we go there?

01:16:40Guest:All right.

01:16:43Guest:She's 39, but she still looks young.

01:16:47Guest:Not very young, but a lot of fun.

01:16:52Guest:She's my 39 lady in the sun.

01:16:57Guest:I'm 49, I'm drinking white wine In the sun, it's a lot of fun Drinking Mai Tais, kicking back with my flip-flop song I'm wearing socks and my toe is tight I think about her every day and night

01:17:25Guest:39 year old lady, she looked pretty good to me.

01:17:33Guest:Chardonnay in the setting sun, she's 39 but she's number one.

01:17:41Guest:Get the apartment just right, she coming over tonight.

01:17:49Guest:I like it cause I don't feel scared.

01:17:52Guest:She's 39.

01:17:54Guest:I'm in my underwear.

01:17:57Guest:Here she comes.

01:17:58Guest:She's coming down the hallway.

01:18:01Guest:She's knocking on my door.

01:18:07Guest:I open the door.

01:18:12Guest:There she is.

01:18:13Guest:39-year-old lady, young enough for me.

01:18:23Guest:She's scooby-doobin' but she's good enough for me.

01:18:31Guest:But you're a woman, she's a lady.

01:18:39Guest:She ain't gonna be messing around with no other guy.

01:18:49Guest:She's mine.

01:18:50Guest:She's my special lady.

01:18:52Guest:Special lady.

01:18:55Guest:We can see a fuckin' movie And agree, it's a child of a piece of shit

01:19:13Guest:Comfortable shoes Never lose We can fucking talk about some things She don't need no diamond rings She don't need no

01:19:47Guest:Diamond rice.

01:19:49Guest:Gotta let that ring.

01:20:01Marc:Okay.

01:20:02Marc:Fucking awesome.

01:20:03Marc:Thanks, man.

01:20:04Marc:See, like, you know what?

01:20:05Marc:I can relate to that song.

01:20:06Guest:Yeah.

01:20:08Guest:Well, I mean, this album has been about the maturing of the D. We were digging deep.

01:20:14Guest:The golden years.

01:20:18Guest:Thanks for hanging out, you guys.

01:20:20Guest:Thanks for having us, Mark.

01:20:20Guest:It was the best.

01:20:27Marc:Oh my God, how fucking awesome was that?

01:20:29Marc:Seriously, Jack Black's got one of the greatest voices in the world.

01:20:32Marc:Kyle Sweet, great guitar player.

01:20:35Marc:A pleasure, a true joy to have it all happen here in the garage.

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