Episode 297 - Fiona Apple
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Marc:Okay, let's do this.
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Marc:Tennessee.
Marc:I'm going to be in Tennessee.
Marc:It's Mark Maron.
Marc:This is WTF.
Marc:Thank you for listening.
Marc:I'm a little disjointed, but I will be in Nashville at Zaney's this weekend.
Marc:the uh friday the 20th and saturday the 21st for four shows if you're in the area come down looking forward to coming back to tennessee but i will be there and also tuesday night this tuesday night the 17th if you're in the los angeles area and this is just between us because it's supposed to be sort of an under the radar gig my preference i'm going to be at the steve allen theater at the trippany house
Marc:Eight o'clock p.m.
Marc:show.
Marc:I think there's still some tickets for that left.
Marc:I will be doing what I do, trying to generate some material.
Marc:I used to do this at the UCB theater sometimes.
Marc:You know, sometimes when I'm on the road, it's hard for me to, you know, to do the new stuff as to force myself into it because that's just my process.
Marc:My process is not the process I would recommend for any other comedian.
Marc:I don't know how many people utilize my process, but it's taxing, and I'll get into that in a minute.
Marc:But if you want to come see me go through that, the power floundering, the wrestling with self, the fighting against old material and trying to engage in newer ideas, this show would be for you.
Marc:I think it's a reasonably priced show.
Marc:I think it's $10.
Marc:I'm not doing it for the money.
Marc:I'm doing it for the time.
Marc:The it's going to be a not a low expectation show, but I'm going to try to get some work done.
Marc:If you'd like to witness that event of of of Marin.
Marc:Me, I just talk about my myself in the third person.
Marc:I don't like when people do that.
Marc:And I just did it.
Marc:But Marin does that sometimes.
Marc:Fiona Apple is on the show today.
Marc:Lovely conversation.
Marc:I think you will enjoy.
Marc:I was certainly surprised by it.
Marc:I was fortunate enough to the timing of it.
Marc:It was just one of those interviews that unfolded like that.
Marc:Her new album has a tremendously long title and it's a great fucking record.
Marc:The idler wheel is wiser than the driver of the screw and whipping cords will serve you more than ropes will ever do.
Marc:That's a hell of an album title.
Marc:I'll be talking to Fiona Apple in just a minute.
Marc:But I would like to reflect for those of you who are still with me and not fast forwarding to Fiona Apple.
Marc:I want to reflect on me.
Marc:Surprise.
Marc:Surprise.
Marc:But the Fiona Apple conversation got me thinking about some things.
Marc:And it all sort of comes together in the conversation we had with her that I had with her.
Marc:And also, I just went to a wedding.
Marc:that it was an event that I, from the invitation, I didn't know how fancy the event was going to be.
Marc:It's never, some people are not very clear with their invitations, but this was a buddy of mine, a manager, good guy.
Marc:I've known him for 20 years.
Marc:I never thought, it might even be more, 92, 2002.
Marc:Yeah, probably 20 years and change.
Marc:And just the fact of that,
Marc:I don't know how old you are or where you are in your life, but the fact that I've known people for 20 years, that I've been in this community for 25 years, that this has been my home, the world of comedy, the world of show business, sometimes more, sometimes less.
Marc:But it is where I live.
Marc:These are the people that I've been around for years.
Marc:But I don't see everybody all the time, and you know that from me talking to people on this show.
Marc:But I went to this wedding, and it turned out to be a real deal.
Marc:He had eloped with a woman, and they went out and got married, but they wanted to have a ceremony.
Marc:Here in town and I got there and a lot of people I've known for 20 years were there.
Marc:And I got to be honest about myself here.
Marc:There were times in my life where I don't know how you are with high school reunions, but I could not go to my high school reunion.
Marc:uh to until i at least had done letterman i just i couldn't do it that that weird pride and shame of going to a reunion of any kind and this could even be a party for fuck's sake where i don't feel like i've made the grade i don't feel like i've got enough to share yeah i never wanted to be the guy who uh you know shows up at the the reunion people are like what do you do and i'm like a comedian and then they go really i've never seen you you're always funny but i've never seen you and
Marc:And that still happens because, as you know, I'm not a huge comic in the world of everybody.
Marc:I'm not feeling sorry for myself.
Marc:I'm just trying to be objective.
Marc:But there was a time where I would be uncomfortable at this party because everybody was there.
Marc:People you know from this show, Patton was there and Posehn was there and Todd Glass and Sarah Silverman and Shanley was there.
Marc:It was a big thing.
Marc:A lot of people from the other side of the industry were there.
Marc:More comics.
Marc:I'm not paying short shrift, but...
Marc:But it was just I'm at some weird age where whatever my anxieties were, and certainly I'm still a proud guy.
Marc:Certainly I'm still a petty guy.
Marc:You know, obviously I have my problems.
Marc:I think some are more manageable than others.
Marc:But there was a time where I would have went to that party and thought that all that it indicated was that I was not as successful as as these other people.
Marc:Now, I'm not saying that that is not a truism, but it didn't even cross my mind.
Marc:I was just so thrilled to be there for my buddy who was getting married.
Marc:They did a ceremony.
Marc:He married a Korean woman and they had Korean food and they did a Korean ceremony.
Marc:in traditional outfits.
Marc:This is a Jewish guy.
Marc:And I thought for that crowd, I'll tell you, that took some real naches, some real chutzpah to don the traditional Korean garb and do the wedding ceremony.
Marc:And then he added the stepping on the glass.
Marc:It was lovely.
Marc:And, you know, Todd Glass emceed and there was like 300 people there.
Marc:But I actually felt great to be there for him, for him to have all his friends around him.
Marc:And maybe I'm getting a little selfless.
Marc:I'm becoming a little more human.
Marc:It was wonderful to see people I hadn't seen in 10 years or see people that, you know, we don't really always talk all the time, but just to feel like it was part of a community.
Marc:And I wasn't sitting there going like, I know what this is about.
Marc:This is about, you know, I'm not at this level.
Marc:I'm not this guy.
Marc:I'm not that guy.
Marc:But it was just, you know, it was a bunch of people that have worked together for years and have been friends for years, you know, showing up for somebody else and having a nice time.
Marc:And I know that I shouldn't congratulate myself on that, that there was no pettiness and there was no ugliness inside of me, that I felt good that I was there in present and having a good time at my buddy Singh.
Marc:That's the kind of fucking person I am, that I have to sit here and tell you that, that I have to pat myself on the back for doing something that regular people who are wired with the appropriate emotional structure, give or take a couple of connections, don't even think twice about.
Marc:I got to congratulate myself for not being a douchebag or being petty or making it about me when I go to someone else's wedding.
Marc:That's fucking ridiculous.
Marc:But it's true.
Marc:It's true.
Marc:And the weird thing about age is that it'll just humble you.
Marc:It will level you.
Marc:There are things that you are freaking out about now that will be so fucking just nonsense.
Marc:Just nonsense.
Marc:It's a relief.
Marc:It's a relief on some level that as you get older, you forget shit and things lose their importance.
Marc:They lose the power of heartbreak that they had over you.
Marc:They lose the power of you using it as a bat to beat the shit out of yourself.
Marc:But I also realize this is about my process.
Marc:Getting back to the Trip Anyhow show on Tuesday, I don't know why I work the way I do.
Marc:And believe me, I beat myself up about it all the time.
Marc:What I do is I write some fucking random ideas, some random thoughts on a piece of paper.
Marc:I have some things I want to talk about.
Marc:I don't write jokes.
Marc:I'm not writing what I'm saying right now, which, you know, sometimes they're better than others.
Marc:But this is all happening in the moment.
Marc:And I take them up on stage.
Marc:And if I have the courage to overcome the fear of knowing that I don't know where the fuck it's going.
Marc:I will chase those thoughts down until something funny happens.
Marc:And I do it in front of people.
Marc:I corner myself in front of a room full of people with small to large expectations of who I am as a performer.
Marc:And I get out there on the ice.
Marc:And I've done that all my life.
Marc:I'm surrounded by random pieces of paper.
Marc:And I can't tell you, as long as I've lived and I'm sitting there holding a napkin, a matchbook, a post-it note, a piece of paper that I wrote on the back of,
Marc:You know, the do not disturb sign that's blank on the other side.
Marc:I can't tell you how many times I've gone into coffee shops and taken and look through the stack of flyers for one with a blank back on it.
Marc:And I've got a fucking iPhone I can write notes on.
Marc:This is not my process.
Marc:On some level, I think like, what are you, an idiot?
Marc:Why don't you just go write this shit out?
Marc:Why don't you type it?
Marc:Why don't you put it down?
Marc:Why don't you structure it?
Marc:I don't know why.
Marc:Well, then I say, well, that's why you're not a bigger comedian.
Marc:That's why, you know, you leave things untagged for years.
Marc:I don't know why that is, but you know what?
Marc:I accept it now.
Marc:I don't suggest this to anybody.
Marc:I don't suggest my process, but clearly I have to be in a state of panic and cornering myself on stage in order to generate new ideas.
Marc:And they happen in the moment.
Marc:And then can you capture that moment?
Marc:Maybe you should record it.
Marc:That's a good idea.
Marc:Why is it that I, before I go on stage, when I'm, I have plenty of equipment to record things, but every time I do something amazing,
Marc:I got to be wandering around going, did anyone get, did you get that on tape?
Marc:Was someone videotaping this?
Marc:Cause I need it.
Marc:I'm the only comic in the world when everyone else is saying, you know, it pisses me off that people record shit on their phones because then they put up half baked bits that I'm working on up on the internet and it ruins it.
Marc:I'm the comic after the show running around going, did somebody get that?
Marc:Because I need it.
Marc:Could you forward that to me off of your phone?
Marc:And fortunately, again, this is where it's not a liability not to be a huge celebrity.
Marc:No one's really doing that, and I have a pretty polite audience.
Marc:And I'm not.
Marc:You're all very polite, actually.
Marc:The waitstaff, they love my audience.
Marc:I do want to congratulate you on that.
Marc:You behave like grownups, and you're nice people.
Marc:And I appreciate that.
Marc:And I'm not asking you to record my sets.
Marc:Don't misunderstand me.
Marc:But sometimes the club will do it or whatever.
Marc:But I'm the only guy that I know that's like, I hope somebody caught that because I want to remember it.
Marc:But that's my process, and I have to accept that.
Marc:And as I get older, it's easier to accept things.
Marc:Look, I'm a raw nerve.
Marc:I'm not for everybody.
Marc:I'm a vulnerable lunatic at times.
Marc:I'm a little happier than I was, but each day is a new journey into the abyss of me and out of the abyss of me.
Marc:And sometimes I just walk along the edge and appreciate the canyon, appreciate the view, and say, hey, maybe someday I could build a bridge over this, and we could really look down into the pit.
Marc:Yeah, but that's a lot of work.
Marc:I mean, that's the other thing about going to that wedding.
Marc:I'm very proud about what I'm doing here.
Marc:And I'm pretty comfortable in my skin.
Marc:And I feel like my creativity and who I am is out there and the way I want it to be out there.
Marc:And that makes a big difference in how you approach situations.
Marc:If you're not approaching the situation going, I haven't done shit.
Marc:But I do fly by the seat of my pants.
Marc:I don't know if you know that.
Marc:It's happening now.
Marc:You're listening to it.
Marc:But this is the sad part.
Marc:I think that if you're one of those people that doesn't prepare and you wing it and you improvise your life, give or take, you're protecting yourself from something.
Marc:If I don't prepare and it works, I'm a fucking genius.
Marc:I pulled it off.
Marc:If I don't prepare and it doesn't work, then I didn't prepare.
Marc:Why didn't that work?
Marc:I should have prepared more.
Marc:So you find some balance in there and you accept it.
Marc:You know, I accept that people are going to say shitty things about me on the internet or wherever, but you know what?
Marc:That's not my problem.
Marc:That's their problem.
Marc:Part of the problem with me is that my craft requires a vulnerability that is somewhat dangerous.
Marc:And that's just the way it's going to go.
Marc:And at some point, you know, I,
Marc:My anger will drive me, but at some point it's like, well, this is it.
Marc:This is who I am.
Marc:I've got to live with it.
Marc:I'm putting it out there in the world.
Marc:And that's a tough, that's a tall order.
Marc:And it's taken me a long time to do it.
Marc:But self-acceptance will come if you let it.
Marc:Someone on Twitter just said, you should interview Fiona Apple.
Marc:And I thought, I remember her.
Marc:We used to kind of talk to each other.
Marc:And they're like, she's got a new record coming out.
Marc:I'm like, oh, fuck, okay.
Marc:I didn't say all this in my head.
Marc:I said it.
Marc:I just saw the text.
Marc:I didn't respond to it.
Marc:And then I texted you.
Guest:But now that's nice that you said that, though.
Guest:I'm glad that I asked because then now this person knows that their voice matters.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Maybe I should tell her because you do have her.
Guest:Now it sounds like you know this person.
Marc:I don't know this person at all.
Marc:Is it her?
Marc:I think it's a her, yeah.
Guest:You think everything's a her.
Guest:You think that the cat's a her.
Marc:Yeah, I tend to.
Marc:Yeah, and I'm usually wrong.
Marc:I know you're a her.
Marc:Right?
Marc:We know that.
Guest:Really, thank you for saying that because you... No, no, seriously.
Marc:What?
What?
Guest:It actually means something to me to be called to her because I have this thing where I've been called by boyfriends that I'm not even a girl, I'm a creature.
Marc:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's come out more than once is creature, that I'm a creature.
Marc:And how does that happen?
Marc:What preface is that?
Guest:I don't know why this is a problem.
Marc:But just in the middle of conversation or are you acting?
Guest:No, at some point.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I can't even remember the exact moments when it was said.
Marc:Is it shortly before they leave?
Guest:No, no, it's in a loving way, but I always take it in a way of like, you mean I'm like...
Marc:like a monster kind of weird creature that you're just kind of strangely attracted to i mean or my girl so you transcend gender and species into just a general creature you remember the last time i think we texted was uh over a uh like a the bug over that bug oh the potato bug the potato bug the jerusalem cricket i i have another bigger one now you got another potato bug
Guest:Yeah, my brother gave it to me.
Guest:He saved it for me because he knows.
Marc:He brought it in alive?
Guest:No, his daddy found it.
Marc:They are so nasty.
Marc:That's a creature.
Guest:It was the best moment ever.
Guest:I felt so loved by him.
Marc:When he brought you a potato bug?
Marc:He saved me.
Marc:A big dead potato bug?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You never see those things and whenever you do, it's like, holy fuck, where did that come from?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:They're very disturbing.
Marc:I don't even know what they are.
Guest:And they do have that look about them with the personality the same as naked mole rats where you can see that they don't know people.
Marc:I'm not to be seen.
Marc:Yeah, we're not surface things.
Marc:We're underneath things.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So when did you finish this record?
Guest:I finished this record almost like two years ago.
Marc:But how long did you work on it?
Guest:I'm really, really bad with time.
Guest:I think that it happened over the course of maybe...
Guest:I don't even know if it was a year or two years or somebody might be like, no, it was seven months.
Guest:No, it was four years.
Marc:How do you not see time go by?
Marc:What are you doing out there?
Marc:Where you live, Venice?
Marc:What are you doing up there in the house in Venice?
Marc:Just hanging around?
Guest:I don't know what I do.
Guest:I mean, I do know what I do.
Marc:This is how I picture it.
Marc:Like I picture you get up and if there's no one in the house, you're talking anyways.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:There's never anyone in the house.
Marc:And you're talking out loud to things.
Marc:And then like, you know, you start to eat something and you don't eat it.
Guest:I make a shake.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:What's that involve?
Marc:Because I ate one today and it was too much.
Marc:Kale?
Guest:No, I used to do my own juicing for a while.
Marc:That's a mess.
Guest:I and I had the one that did the slow grinding thing so that you had to take it apart after everything.
Marc:Right, yeah, yeah.
Guest:But it wasn't that bad though.
Guest:But when you're in the thing, when you have nothing else going on in your life, it's okay.
Marc:Yeah, take the time to juice.
Marc:Take an hour.
Marc:Juicing hour, hour and a half.
Guest:Or if you're okay with leaving it, which I'm not.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:because then bugs come i want them to have a machine where that just does like ginger shots yeah ginger shots would be good ginger garlic like that's all you'd really need yeah that's all you need i'd buy the juice and then and then just make the ginger and fresh just a ginger garlic shot that's all you need just what do you think that does for you is it a hard thing because i had ginger in mine today i felt really proud of myself and it felt like it was a doing something
Guest:those two things yeah um are i don't know those are like the two good things things that and turmeric right turmeric does that do anything i was taking that for a while i don't know man you can't feel it when it's the that stuff it has to be like a lifestyle that you have it in your system that it works with you all the time so what's in the juice now what are you juicing what are you doing what's the drink
Guest:I like this company Garden of Life.
Guest:They seem to do everything right.
Marc:You mean ideologically they're on the right path?
Guest:Yeah, I mean, well, the guy who started, I can't remember his name, but he wrote a book because he had Crohn's disease and he was like near death.
Guest:He wrote a book, which I know this because one time I went to get, I did like a cleanse and then a colonic and I asked the colonic lady,
Guest:What are some good books about, like, they explain your system to you?
Guest:Because I was like, this is a person to ask about, you know.
Guest:Because she had, oh, she had books for sale.
Guest:She's like, the one, this one.
Guest:Patient, Heal Thyself.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So it sounds like, and it's like, it sounds like it's religious, and he does talk about, like...
Guest:But if you ignore that, it's cool.
Guest:This guy taught himself stuff.
Guest:And the company, everything is responsibly done.
Guest:And it's vegan and gluten-free.
Marc:You're vegan and gluten-free?
Guest:I'm allergic to gluten, yeah.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:And you're allergic to meat?
Guest:I'm not allergic to meat.
Marc:Just the principal thing?
Guest:I've been eating fish lately.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:Occasionally, but actually not so much.
Marc:The colonic thing, not too often, right?
Guest:No, just that I think I've done it twice.
Marc:Not a good experience, is it?
Marc:Come on, man.
Marc:I mean, a colonic, it's like something you do once and you realize, like, oh, my God.
Marc:Did I just pay for that?
Marc:Does it make me a better person?
Marc:Did it accomplish anything?
Guest:I think it really has to do with who's doing it.
Marc:Sure.
Guest:Because this lady told, like, she, like, rubs your feet and tells jokes all the time, and it's ridiculous.
Marc:While she's doing the colonic.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So you're sitting there with something in you.
Guest:But she's just talking.
Marc:Right.
Guest:She's just telling you these stories, and it's like they're...
Marc:What drove you to a colonic, Fiona?
Guest:What was it?
Marc:Did you feel filthy inside?
Marc:No.
Guest:Oh, no.
Guest:You know what?
Guest:I had a boyfriend at the time who needed to do it, so I did it with him out of solidarity.
Marc:He needed to do it.
Guest:Except I didn't do the fast.
Marc:So you guys went and had couples' colonics?
Guest:Yeah, I mean, well, also, I had a woman living in my guest house at the time.
Guest:That's like, I feel like everybody's talking about fucking colonics now.
Marc:Really?
Marc:I haven't heard any, I've not talked about it with anybody, maybe once.
Guest:I haven't talked about it with anybody because it's not like a thing that I do.
Guest:But at the time also, my friend who was living in my guest house, she was really into that shit.
Marc:I don't think it's healthy for some reason.
Guest:Yeah, it could be like, it's like, you know, you wouldn't want to do it.
Guest:It's sort of like douching.
Guest:Like you don't want to wash everything out.
Marc:Right, right, right, right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All right, so let's get back to your day.
Guest:how does this happen with you?
Guest:These subjects are not what I would picture us talking about.
Marc:Really, what did you picture us talking about?
Guest:I didn't, because that's why I'm glad that this just came about last night.
Marc:I know people that know you.
Marc:I'm very impressed with your amazing talent.
Marc:I'm happy you have a record coming out.
Marc:You're one of those people that I don't know, but I tend to worry about.
Guest:Really?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Just sort of like worry about me.
Marc:Do they?
Marc:Is that something you hear a lot?
Yes.
Marc:Well, no, it's just because I know that you're you're a very creative person and sometimes, you know, that causes turmoil.
Guest:Well, yeah, it does.
Guest:Well, yes, I go through hellish pain, but so do you.
Guest:But that's don't worry about it.
Marc:Well, no, I mean, I go through it myself, but I worry about myself.
Marc:But there's like, you know, when I heard you had a record coming out, because I don't, but I'm not checking the updates every day.
Marc:I'm not doing the Fiona Apple updates every day.
Marc:But when I heard you had a record coming out, I'm like, oh, that's fucking good.
Marc:There's a record coming out and you're happy with it.
Guest:Oh, I love it.
Marc:Yeah?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I loved it when I was done with it.
Marc:Two years ago.
Guest:Two years ago.
Guest:But wait, but you're being really nice and, well, I don't know what you're being about it, but we know each other a little bit through texting because I contacted you.
Marc:You emailed me.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, and you said you like my show, and I was like, fuck, Fiona Apple likes my show.
Guest:But we're just right now making it seem like I just made it seem like you look me up on the internet when it's me that actually contacted you.
Marc:Yeah, you contacted me, and I remember seeing the email, and I'm like, what?
What?
Guest:what do i even do with that how do i construct an email back to fiona apple okay cool i know i never think about that but i always think it's like a actually the same boyfriend that inspired the colonic he um also uh said something to me once that uh
Guest:that I just, that actually made me fall in love with him on the spot, sort of, that he was saying that, you know, the thing about, like, not, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Guest:Forget that, but if you have something nice to say, say it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:If everybody said all the nice things that they had to say, then wouldn't it be a better place?
Guest:And I just got me there.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Are you still with this guy?
Guest:Oh, no.
Guest:But I'm friends with him.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The one I know?
Marc:Oh, no.
Marc:It's not Jonathan.
Guest:oh right you know Jonathan yeah that's why because I listened to the interview and then also my brother had been listening to it and I'd pass by and hear your voice and you're like that guy and then you started listening to it so let's talk about this turmoil so for two years this record has been done you just brought that up as though I had brought it up so this turmoil that you mentioned well no I mean I just like I'm so on guard I'm so on guard
Marc:I think you're a hyper creative person.
Marc:So now that I know that this record's been done for two years, what have you been doing?
Marc:So you go out, you go to Largo sometimes and you play with Benmont, right?
Marc:And that crew, what do they call themselves?
Marc:Is there a name for them?
Guest:Watkins Family Hour?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I'm in there.
Guest:I'm in that band.
Guest:I'm part of that band.
Marc:And Largo's like this, because I don't hang around there much, but you've been hanging around since, was it the old Largo?
Marc:I mean, it's been part of that.
Marc:So that's John Bryan and you, and is Amy Mann part of this organization?
Guest:Well, yeah.
Guest:I mean, she has been.
Guest:She's definitely a big part of Largo, although I haven't seen her in a long time.
Marc:But who are the guys you play with?
Guest:Well, I'd play at Watkins Family Hour, so it'd be like Sean Watkins, Sarah Watkins, Ben Montt, Sebastian Steinberg, who's going on the road with me now on bass, and he's on the record playing upright.
Guest:This is like the last night at Largo, at the old Largo, I wrote a song for Largo, which I...
Guest:I think it's either an extra on the record, it should be hidden someplace, or it'll be someplace.
Guest:But I wrote a song for Largo, and Paul Tompkins had to notice that I didn't say his name in the song, even though I said a bunch of names in the song.
Marc:How did Paul take that?
Marc:Is he not talking to you now?
Guest:I always feel like he hates me.
Marc:Yeah, I feel that way too.
Guest:I don't think it's an uncommon feeling.
Guest:I feel like, yeah...
Guest:But I didn't used to feel like that.
Marc:Really?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Why do we need Paul Tompkins' approval?
Marc:Why is that?
Guest:Because he's very bright and good, and you like him.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Maybe I just started being more...
Guest:paranoid are you do you get more you're more paranoid although yeah i was listening to todd glass show and todd glass said that he heard that i listened to his show and paul thompkins was on the show and he said i bet she doesn't listen to my show and i was like fuck you i've heard your show yeah so you're actually you're engaged in all the podcasts in a very personal way
Guest:It's really, now this is just, this is just, everything's, everything's, every world is crossed over.
Marc:So can I ask you some, I'm gonna ask you questions.
Marc:You grew up in New York City?
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Like your whole life in the city?
Guest:Yeah, we lived on 125th Street and then Columbia University burned down my building.
Marc:On purpose?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:How do you know they burned down your building?
Marc:What do you mean?
Marc:How does that happen?
Marc:How does a college burn down a building?
Guest:There's a book written about it called We Are Talking About Homes.
Guest:I can't believe I'm saying this right.
Guest:Let me just say this.
Guest:Let me get my mom kicked out of the building.
Marc:Is she still in the building?
Guest:Yes, because there was a court case.
Guest:They didn't burn down the whole building.
Guest:What happened was that this old lady set fire to the building because she had newspapers on the radiator.
Guest:So when they evacuated the building for a few weeks...
Guest:They hired two guys to come in and finish the job so that nobody could move back in so that they could turn it into dorms.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But for some, I don't understand what was happening.
Guest:I think my dad came out here.
Guest:He was out here because he was auditioning for television shows.
Guest:And my mom had left with me and my sister.
Guest:But our dog and our cats were still at the apartment when the building burned down.
Guest:I just remember we were living on 162nd Street at this point.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:In a house, in an apartment where when we moved in, there was actually... And I think we moved into the apartment of, like, the daughter of my mom's best friend.
Guest:And her apartment, the way that she had it... First of all, there was fucking roaches everywhere.
Guest:And it got to a point where, like, I would see a roach on my leg and I wouldn't freak out.
Guest:Like, I would put down my... Yeah, it was not a big deal.
Guest:I think about that now and I'm like...
Guest:but also there was a kermit frog crucified yeah uh legs crossed on the wall it said fuck jesus really and this was in your apartment this was there when we when we got there yeah wow that's creative and oh and there was a this is a very colorful place to live actually too because we also had these robberies that kept on happening and there was this golden bracelet that i had been left
Guest:by somebody and I can't, I don't even know who.
Guest:And I would try it on every day, but it was so big.
Guest:I guess I was like seven at this point.
Guest:And I'd try it on every day, try it on every day, try it on every day.
Guest:It's still too big.
Guest:And I'd wait for the day.
Guest:And then we got robbed and it got stolen.
Guest:And it turned out that the people who stole us, they kept on coming back and stealing from us.
Marc:Would you leave the door open?
Guest:No, it was a mystery.
Guest:We found out.
Guest:We didn't realize it.
Guest:Behind the refrigerator that was there when we got there, there was this door.
Guest:No.
Guest:And thieves were a really fat guy and a really skinny guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so the fat guy would boomf the door open and push the refrigerator and the skinny guy would slip through.
Marc:And just take your shit.
Guest:Like cartoon character robbers came in and stole my golden bracelet.
Marc:They're wearing little masks.
Marc:I know.
Guest:That's how I picture them.
Marc:Burglar masks.
Guest:And they're like tiptoeing in their French or something.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:With the berets.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:And they just, they did it more than once.
Marc:They just kept taking your shit.
Marc:How'd you figure out what was going on?
Guest:I don't remember.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I guess my, I mean, I guess I know this because my mom told me about it after a while, like being, you know, laughing about it.
Marc:I love the crucified Kermit though.
Marc:That's a good memory.
Marc:I know.
Marc:I want a crucified Kermit now.
Guest:Yeah, the lacrosse legs is really cute.
Marc:Well, I mean, you're seven years old and you get to an apartment, there's a crucified Muppet that says, fuck Jesus.
Marc:I mean, that's got to have an impact.
Marc:I mean, you remembered it.
Guest:And I met Kermit and my dad used to be on Sesame Street.
Marc:He did?
Marc:As a regular or occasionally?
Guest:Regular, when it was still in black and white, in Buddy and Jim skits.
Guest:He was Buddy and Jim with Jim Catusi, and they did these skits in black and white, and they're really cute.
Guest:And yeah, he was on Sesame Street.
Marc:With Morgan Freeman?
Marc:Or was that Electric Company?
Marc:Oh, damn.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I'm trying to remember who was on Sesame Street.
Marc:well you don't know i mean it's not really but that must have been he was on like gordon gordon gordon yeah gordon was on i know i don't even remember all the and you know big bird snuffleupagus sure oscar oscar the grouch yeah so your dad was on like the original sesame street the original yeah and that was he's so black and white and was he a stage actor
Guest:Yes, he was a stage actor.
Guest:He was from Tennessee, and he went to New York or something on an opera scholarship or something.
Guest:And then he was in Broadway shows, which is where my mom was a dancer.
Marc:So when he was on Sesame Street, the kids at school were like, you're dead.
Guest:I was not born at that time.
Guest:I'm from the second family.
Guest:I'm the last of seven children.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:So all these stories are before my time.
Guest:They are just my heritage that I've...
Marc:this is what you've accumulated from people telling you what you but you remember the no these are facts you know yeah oh so so okay so there was this whole other family your father was married before your mother yes and he had six kids five kids five kids and your brother who i just met is he one of them yes so you're the only we've all been but but their mother have has always been very inviting to us so the kids were very how many are there with your mother
Guest:Just two, just me and my sister, Maude, who's also a singer.
Marc:Oh, do you guys compete?
Guest:No.
Marc:No?
Guest:No.
Marc:Everything's cool?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, well, we're completely, you know, different.
Marc:What did you, when you were younger, how old is she, younger than you?
Guest:She's older than me, two and a half years.
Marc:All right, so you guys, all right, so your mom has you two and your dad, and your dad has an ex-wife with five.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I still have family in Tennessee.
Marc:I was just in Tennessee.
Guest:We're from Carthage, Tennessee.
Marc:So you have like Southern in you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Apparently we're this thing like, which I always mean to do research on, but never do.
Guest:And I always mean to understand what the fuck my father is talking about when I ask him, how do you know that we're Mlungin?
Guest:But there's this thing called Mlungin that apparently we're at because he did this genealogy thing.
Marc:Mlungin?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:melungeon as it it like goes to melange because it has to do with i'm not even going to try to get into it it's just like sounds mysterious what it's it's because in the back uh in the in the appalachian mountains i guess god i'm gonna i'm talking out of my ass right now it's all right um uh i don't like talking out of my ass i think i think i'm you're just doing speculative history i'm a big fan of that
Guest:Well, I think that it's, whatever happened, like people would, slave ships would, you know, crash or there'd be mutiny or whatever.
Guest:And then the back mountain Tennessee people and the Indians and the people from the slave ships would all live in these communities.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And I think they're called autonomous, I don't know what, they're sort of hill people.
Guest:Let's hide from the people who are going to make our own little place.
Guest:And then eventually they all start being with each other.
Marc:And then you get this malunion.
Guest:Right.
Marc:I like that.
Guest:I like it too.
Marc:It's exotic and American and cool.
Guest:Yeah, I like it.
Guest:And I like the idea of people not only getting along, but just being like, yeah, let's fucking make our world up here.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's a collective.
Guest:They won't come up here.
Guest:Right.
Marc:They're hill people.
Marc:fuck that we don't have to wait wait a second guys we can leave that world yeah and they just they built a whole world up there are they still up there you don't know no one knows yeah yeah no they're not up there yeah so when did you start the singing business the singing business started happening um like when did you first know you had this like kick-ass voice
Guest:Mmm, thank you.
Guest:I wasn't a singer.
Guest:I would write things on the piano.
Guest:I'm actually the only woman in my family who's not a dancer, first of all, which sucks.
Guest:and uh but i'm also the only person that wasn't a singer that didn't take singing lessons um and when i wrote the songs that were on my demo and i brought them um to andy slater uh he i was expecting that i was going to be like uh you know somebody who they would give my songs to other people to sing right the first thing he said was well first of all you have a beautiful voice and i'll remember that forever because i was like uh no
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You were surprised?
Marc:You mean no one in your family had said like, holy shit?
Guest:It was more concentrated on like what I would write on the piano.
Marc:Right.
Guest:You know?
Marc:So you weren't in your house like belting it out like you do?
Marc:You were just sort of, no.
Guest:No, no, no, no, no.
Guest:And who are these dancers?
Guest:What do you mean everyone's a dancer?
Guest:My sister, my mother, my grandmother, my great-grandmother.
Guest:Professional dancers?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like ballet?
Guest:No.
Guest:Modern?
Guest:Showgirls.
Guest:No, not showgirls, which would be fine also.
Guest:Broadway shows?
Guest:A lot of it was following my father on the road when he was doing the burlesque show with Sherry Britton, who was one of the first burlesque stars.
Guest:So it was me and my sister, like, you know...
Guest:Every night the stripper's taking us to get M&M's from the machine.
Guest:Yeah, and I'm sure my dad had every single one of them.
Marc:So what was your dad's role in the burlesque show?
Guest:He was like the vaudeville guy, man on the street.
Marc:The barker?
Guest:Well, no, he was like, he was kind of like, he did like a little mime act with Sherry.
Guest:He's got a website, brandonmagart.com.
Marc:So he was the comedic guy in the burlesque.
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:So you're hanging around backroom, backstage, watching girls.
Marc:It was a great brosque show, too.
Marc:There was, like, these girls.
Marc:Pasties and the whole bit.
Guest:Yeah, pasties.
Guest:And, like, they had this thing where they would sing, I'm forever blowing bubbles.
Guest:And they had these nighties, these blue nighties.
Guest:My sister and I would do, like, these little plays.
Guest:And we'd dress up in the way that the strippers dressed up.
Guest:Because we didn't, like, we thought it was, like, it was these pretty, like, long trains in the back.
Guest:And then underwear.
Guest:And then, like, a hat.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:But I remember they had this one number, I'm forever blowing bubbles.
Guest:Pretty bubbles in the air.
Guest:And they had these big blue balloons in front of them.
Guest:And they had these short little blue see-through nighties.
Guest:And at the end, they let the balloons go.
Guest:And the balloons carried away their nighties.
Guest:And they were just there in their G-strings and their pasties.
Guest:Look at your face lighting up.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I know you're picturing it.
Marc:But it's conflicted because I'm picturing the actual burlesque and I'm picturing two little girls doing that.
Marc:So there's something cute and there's something slightly, you know.
Guest:We didn't feel like there was, but it wasn't, you know, there wasn't anything offensive about it.
Marc:Right, of course not.
Marc:they were singing pretty songs and they were then they were naked and and we knew that that was fun and it was you know every it was you know raucous was jolly sex fun time burlesque it wasn't sorted no it wasn't these were not unhappy people these were these were people they were show people having fun so from early on you're sort of like drawn towards uh show business i mean you were in it it must have been very compelling like did you know like i'm gonna live in this world
Guest:No.
Guest:You know what?
Guest:I like this about myself, actually.
Guest:I think back when I was a kid, I never worried about what I was going to do.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You mean you never thought about it or you always knew?
Guest:No, I never thought about it.
Guest:I never thought to worry about it.
Guest:Like, I never thought to worry about not doing well in school.
Guest:I understood everything that, you know, I understood that I should do my home, what I was supposed to do, and I understood why and everything.
Guest:But I just wasn't worried.
Guest:Like, I can remember the only...
Guest:thought that i remember having about oh there were two thoughts that i remember having once i wanted to be later on like i took a self-defense course and i decided i wanted to be i wanted to teach self-defense classes that was this is after your record or before this was oh this was when i was like 14 okay like after you do a hit records like i didn't get into the self-defense racket not really cut out for the singing thing
Guest:Yeah, or do this first, and then I'll go back to the scene.
Guest:It'll help.
Marc:So you took a karate course, or you didn't?
Guest:No, I took a course called model mugging, and I went there when I was a kid.
Guest:After my... What did I do?
Guest:I came out here...
Guest:I was having my little rough time, I'd been attacked, blah, blah, blah.
Guest:Been what?
Guest:I'd been attacked and shit.
Marc:You were?
Guest:Yes, we won't, everybody knows.
Marc:Why am I the guy who doesn't know anything?
Marc:Was this when you were younger?
Marc:When?
Guest:Yeah, when I was like 13.
Guest:I got fucked with in my building by a stranger.
Guest:And so then I came out here.
Guest:I went through this whole time.
Guest:My mom was telling me, like, you should take a self-defense class and everything.
Guest:And I just couldn't.
Guest:But I was going crazy because I couldn't come home without having a panic attack.
Right.
Guest:Um, and so I came out here for a year of school.
Guest:So then finally I did take the self-defense class.
Guest:So I, I, and the lady lane something, um, who ran the, who, who taught the class, um, which was like five hours a day for five weeks.
Guest:I would go out on the train, uh, to someplace in Rochester, New York or something like that.
Guest:And I just... We would learn how to fight all day with all these women and stuff.
Guest:And it was... It just felt great.
Marc:It's kind of raw, isn't it?
Guest:And I felt like, I want to do this.
Guest:I want to do this.
Guest:There was this woman, I can't remember her name, but she was this beautiful woman and she was a young lady and she seemed like she had...
Guest:been doing this for just a little bit of time, but she was good and she was special, and she was one of the teachers.
Guest:And I was like, I want to be her, you know?
Marc:Yeah, did you ever have to kick anyone's ass?
Guest:Oh yeah, we had the guys, yeah, they do the whole thing where they say terrible things to you to, you know.
Marc:To provoke you.
Guest:um well to me basically because if it happens in real life and they say you can get shocked and right and it weakens you because you're like so in shock i can't believe he just called me that he said he's going to do oh my god oh my god right so they get you you know so that you're not like completely taken by surprise so yeah they like they'll say terrible things to you they do drug dissalent so that they're harder to knock out um and um i don't know how these guys know how to judge what would be a knockout hit yeah you know yeah but
Marc:They know.
Guest:But, yeah.
Marc:But you never had to use it in real life?
Guest:No.
Guest:No.
Guest:And I find that really, if you get in a pinch, I really think that biting is the way to go.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I don't see... You can get in there?
Guest:I think it's... I mean, like, I could do everything.
Guest:I could learn how to do a lot of things.
Guest:But...
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Biting.
Guest:When you're a tiny little girl, you learn that biting works.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I dated this guy who was a sort of wrestler, and I would like to wrestle.
Guest:He'd wrestle me, and he'd be always trying to teach me.
Guest:And I wanted to learn how to wrestle, but it was too fun to just bite.
Guest:He didn't just bite him and it would just all go to shit.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Over.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I win.
Guest:Just do something shocking.
Marc:It works.
Marc:It was a hummingbird.
Marc:The window.
Marc:It went away.
Guest:Hummingbirds.
Guest:I have a lot of pictures of hummingbirds because I have... I went through like a month, I guess it was, of... There was this hummingbird that made a nest in my yard.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I...
Guest:I got a camera and I took, I have some amazing, I have footage of humming, baby hummingbirds.
Guest:Pooping off the side of the nest because when I saw the eggs.
Guest:I started reading about baby hummingbirds and I read that they will do anything to avoid having poop in their nest, which makes sense.
Guest:But I thought about it and I thought, how are they going to do that?
Guest:And when you picture it, you picture like these tiny baby hummingbirds stumbling around trying to poop outside a nest.
Guest:And I was like, I have to see that.
Guest:And I spent all my time.
Guest:This is what I did with my time.
Guest:yeah the two years yeah you're in this is no no this is like a month but this is the kind of shit that happens to me that i'll get obsessed with something like i got obsessed with an abandoned house for a while and then you know there's this humming this is a hummingbird and they all have big lessons and they it's always it's a big so the hummingbird project was to capture the baby's poop well it was just i was excited to watch a lot of the the growing up because they were so close to me how did they do it
Guest:I have footage.
Guest:I got two movies of it happening.
Guest:And they basically just, they put their, they position themselves with their butt up.
Guest:Because usually their heads are up because they're waiting for the food constantly.
Guest:Their little beaks are just sticking up.
Guest:But then they'll just kind of, you'll see this little kind of quiver about 10 minutes after the moms feed them.
Guest:And they kind of quiver.
Guest:And then they'll kind of shift around.
Guest:And then you know.
Guest:press record and then go out there and press record and climb up the ladder and then they they just put their butt up and they projectile right over the nest right over the nest and in slow motion if you go like frame by frame yeah and then it you see like
Guest:It's I think this is really interesting that it spreads out.
Guest:The arc of it looks exactly like a feather.
Guest:If you pause it in in mid motion of like the like the poop comes out and it's white.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it just sprays and it falls like a feather.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like yeah.
Guest:Like how everything just.
Marc:So once you captured that, were you done with it?
Guest:No, what happened was I've been climbing up a ladder with my camera like right near these guys.
Guest:Their mom has seen me.
Guest:I go away when she comes.
Guest:I don't go out there when she feeds them.
Guest:I don't go out there when they're practicing flying.
Guest:You know, I don't go out there and disturb anything.
Guest:I only go out there when she goes away right after she's fed them when they're going to poop or when they're sleeping or whatever.
Guest:And they've seen me since before I was there before their eyes opened.
Guest:So they've always seen me.
Guest:So they're not afraid of me.
Right.
Guest:Um, and the mom has sat, when sometimes she's come back, you know, early and I, I don't know it.
Guest:And then I noticed that she's sitting there watching me.
Guest:So I know that she knows that I'm there.
Guest:So after a couple of weeks, I'm like, I'm, they know me, I'm a cool.
Guest:And I read that hummingbirds can, and hummingbirds can apparently recognize faces and they come back to the same place.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And there had been a hummingbird nest, uh, there before.
Guest:So, so this person, this hummingbird knows me, obviously he's come back, um, to the same spot.
Guest:And, um, so this one day on independence day, um,
Guest:I walked out there and I had had a drink or two because compulsively, not really alcoholically, I had to quit drinking for a while and I quit drinking on this day for a few for a few months.
Guest:Because I felt that I had killed these hummingbirds.
Guest:I didn't kill them.
Guest:I don't know what happened to them.
Guest:But I prompted them to fly away.
Guest:I walked outside.
Guest:I walked outside every day.
Guest:But today I walked outside.
Guest:Drunk.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And whatever.
Guest:I mean, that just made me more emotional and more like whatever.
Guest:But but it wasn't because I was drunk or anything.
Guest:I didn't do anything different.
Marc:I wasn't verbally abused.
Guest:No, I didn't do anything.
Guest:Maybe they.
Guest:But they were.
Marc:Get the fuck out of here.
Guest:They were.
Guest:It was after this was like three.
Guest:They were at the time when they're supposed to fly away.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I read later that the mom is supposed to push them off if they don't go away.
Guest:But what happened was the mom went away and I was like, I'm going to go out and film them.
Guest:But then they were on the branch.
Guest:And when I came out, they just flew away.
Guest:And it was like all of a sudden gone after three weeks, every day, obsessed with them every day, sitting either sitting in my kitchen, looking at them through the window.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Or out there really looking at them.
Guest:I mean, I have pictures of me holding the branch when the wind was really heavy and they fall asleep while I'm filming them.
Guest:And sometimes they reach for my finger for food or whatever.
Guest:And all of a sudden they flew away.
Guest:And I was like...
Guest:I didn't see where they went.
Guest:I've never seen them fly.
Guest:And so I read later on that they actually hold on.
Guest:If they're not able to fly, they hold on when they exercise their wings so that they don't get carried away.
Guest:So it's time to go.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So if they flew off, then it was... But I did what the mom was supposed to do.
Guest:So when the mom came back...
Guest:i'm i went out there i was looking for them when my mom came back she goes crazy she's looking around for them she's looking everywhere and i'm sitting like eye level with her because of where my kitchen counter is and where the window is like i can look through and i'm at eye level with her and so she's like looking she's darting around darting around darting around and then i swear this little fucking this this hummingbird who knows me who knows that i know her kids right
Guest:swivels and comes right up to the window and looks right at me like where are they yeah
Guest:And I lost my shit.
Guest:I just, that was, I didn't know.
Guest:I was like, I felt so horrible.
Guest:Did you cry?
Guest:Oh my God, yeah.
Guest:I quit drinking because I had to, I was like, I have to do something, something that I should do that I always say I should do.
Marc:To honor the mother hummingbird.
Guest:To make it so, yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:To make this into something good.
Marc:Clearly I was in charge of those children.
Guest:I have to do something.
Guest:Well, no, I mean, I just feel like, no, you have to, you have to, you know, make that have a purpose.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:But you felt guilty for some reason.
Guest:Yes, because at the time, you know, and if, you know, I'm sure that if my brother were to be listening, if he can hear me right now or I don't know, whatever, but he would be laughing because, you know, he was laughing at me then going, you didn't scare them away, you know.
Marc:But you did the research and you found that it was natural.
Marc:You weren't at fault.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Is that when you started drinking again?
Guest:No.
Guest:No, I stopped.
Guest:No, what was great is I stopped, I stopped, um,
Guest:Drinking, I drink now.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I had a drink before I came here.
Guest:That's okay.
Guest:I also thought it would be a good time to learn how to do a show without having a drink before the show.
Marc:So the hummingbird sort of provoked you to stop drinking and then you're like.
Guest:So then I did the monthly shows at Largo.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Guest:Also at which I was able to say on stage the record has been, somebody said do a new song and I said I forgot to play them because the record's been done for a fucking year.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because I knew that somebody would fucking put that on the internet and then something would happen and it worked.
Marc:And they put the record out.
Marc:Why were they holding the record?
Guest:They weren't holding it.
Guest:There was no president.
Marc:Oh, so it was a political thing within the company?
Guest:Yeah, for a long time.
Marc:Who produced this record?
Guest:Me and Charlie Drayton.
Marc:So John Bryan had nothing to do with this one?
Guest:Well, I mean, I talked to him about it before.
Guest:He listened to stuff, and he's on my team all the time as a confidant.
Marc:So you were 19 when you did your first record, right?
Marc:Or 18?
Marc:18, I think.
Marc:And it was fucking huge.
Marc:And you were huge.
Guest:Was I?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Not large.
Guest:I mean, you've always been... Yeah, that's what I thought you meant.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Really?
Marc:Was I obese?
Guest:You probably fat?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But... I am, aren't I?
Marc:But did that... Like, before you got huge...
Marc:Like I can't even imagine because I talked to people in here before who, you know, almost, you know, within a year become larger, you know, so popular that I don't understand how they deal with it.
Marc:I mean, how during that year that you were touring that first album.
Guest:did you explode or or or lose it well i just asked you right well i was gonna say something and i actually have an interesting a funny story um that relates to this um because i'm like i just had to ask you like i was asking honestly like you actually think that i was huge then yeah like i really like that was a big success that album i was like it was famous yeah because i don't think i didn't
Guest:I mean I knew that like I knew when people were being mean to me and I knew that like I that I was being misquoted I knew that what what I was but you knew you had hit songs and people loved you no really no I know I know no I didn't know about that stuff how did you not know that I mean because I didn't because I didn't ever pay I purposefully didn't ever read anything about myself I didn't I didn't
Guest:I didn't ever read reviews.
Guest:I didn't ever... I mean, actually, well, with music-wise, I don't really... I'm not worried about reviews.
Guest:I know I'm right.
Guest:Whatever they say, it's their opinion, fine.
Guest:I know I'm good, and I know that I did the songs right.
Marc:But you knew when you went on tour that thousands of people were like, fuck, yeah.
Guest:No.
Marc:You were performing for them, weren't you?
Guest:I don't go to concerts.
Guest:I don't know what I was thinking, you know?
Guest:I mean, I really... I mean, really, really, I was so fucked... I mean, I was so... Not, like, fucked up like I was totally, like, clean.
Guest:I wasn't, like, on... I wasn't drinking at all.
Guest:I wasn't on drugs or anything like that.
Guest:But, I mean, you know, I was so obsessive in my own little world of things that I... I don't know what the hell I was thinking about the audience or...
Guest:I mean, I just really, I mean, I still pretend that they're not there because I feel like that's the best thing to do for them.
Marc:Just to focus in on what you're doing?
Guest:To go through something and let them, and I think that ignoring them is the best, is my part in our relationship.
Guest:detach with love yes well because it's you i mean otherwise you know it's not really uh then i'm performing right if i'm you know if i'm not so you were able just to keep a uh like a narrow focus on what you're doing and just i guess so i don't i don't know what the fuck i was thinking then you really don't i was probably i was probably just thinking i have to get out of here
Guest:I have to get out of here and go to the hotel and try to open every door in the hallway, which is something that I used to have to do.
Marc:As an OCD thing?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Always try to get into any kind of maintenance room or something like that.
Marc:The roof?
Guest:Yeah, just, just, yeah.
Guest:Whatever you see.
Marc:If you could get into a maintenance room, would you go in the maintenance room?
Guest:Yes, I would have to.
Guest:I didn't want to.
Marc:What'd you do in the maintenance room?
Marc:Just stand there?
Guest:Look at everything.
Guest:See every single thing inside.
Marc:Was it, was it relaxing?
Guest:No.
Guest:No, that's not how it is.
Guest:It's not like I love doing this.
Guest:It's like, I have to do this.
Marc:I have to.
Marc:So that was a ritual.
Marc:You'd get off stage.
Marc:You'd run away from the venue.
Marc:You'd go to your room, but you'd check every door in the hallway on your way to your room.
Marc:And if the maintenance room was open, you'd go into the maintenance room and look at the machinery.
Guest:Well, yeah, but they were hardly ever opened, first of all.
Guest:And also the opening of doors would happen in the middle of the night when we'd pull in with the bus.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I could do it gently.
Guest:So it wasn't like a... And I wouldn't have to do the whole floor.
Guest:And I was tired enough so that I wasn't like that, you know.
Guest:But if I did leave the hotel like on a day off and then came back, then I would really have to do... Then I'd be alert and I'd have to... Do all the doors.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What other things do you have to do?
Guest:My main thing is faces.
Guest:What does that mean?
Guest:Seeing faces in my head while I do certain things...
Guest:And nowadays, here's the thing.
Guest:Now I just like if I have to if I get stressed out and I do take medication, I'm not going to say what medication, but medication helps.
Guest:But it doesn't you know, you never really.
Guest:unless you just over medicate you never it's it's there and when you get stressed out for the ocd yeah yeah um i'll let myself do something um like ridiculous if i know that it's just right there and and you know it's if that leads to everything else it's it used to be that like if i did one thing then i'm in the world like what
Guest:Like if I walk over the threshold in a doorway or if I walk in a water, many, many things, most things have to do with ablutions and eating.
Guest:Anything food or having to do with cleanliness, you know.
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:Like, actually, well, with food, it's more of like colors of food if things don't look right.
Guest:Like I'm like I like it's I I've I've had you could call it an eating disorder, but it wouldn't be like because I was trying to avoid foods that were fattening.
Guest:It was because I couldn't either decide what to eat or.
Guest:Or the color wasn't right of this thing.
Guest:Like I would eat something that was more fattening if it was right to color.
Guest:But they also have to be pure.
Guest:Like I can't have too many ingredients.
Guest:And there has a picture of it in my head.
Guest:And there's a picture of the day and the day has a shape.
Guest:And the colors and the shapes, it's like, that's not, it's not, it's an issue of like, that's not the right shape.
Guest:It doesn't fit into the shape of the day that I have in my head.
Guest:It needs to be that way.
Guest:It's like, it's like a close encounter to the third kind.
Guest:Like I need to have this shape.
Marc:Yeah, you're building them.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And there's and I know it's pointless, but I need it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So it'll affect like with food, it'll affect like the colors of the food that I eat have to be what's right.
Guest:And with clothing, too, even though I'm not like a fucking fashion horse or whatever clothes horse.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Clothes are so important to me.
Guest:The funniest fucking home video of me ever is when I'm like five years old and it lasts about 10 minutes and there's James Galway is playing in the background and I'm making this costume, which I was always doing like with construction paper and tape.
Guest:And I'm the whole the whole time my sister's dancing around.
Guest:just enjoying the music and dancing around the whole time i'm not ready i'm not ready yet i'm not ready yet because i'm just keep on taping this thing is this tape is not right on me this construction could never finish it yeah never finish it finally finish it yeah take one spin fall flat on my face all that work build up build up build up build up it was like it was scripted it's so funny now do you have more of a handle on this shit now
Guest:Yeah, because I came to learn more about the brain and to see it as, you know, more of, you know, you got to put it in its place.
Guest:yeah and um right you can make choices because the problem with the with like with me with like faces like because I would have to like if the water what is the faces thing I don't understand if I think of a I would always think of faces when I was doing something crossing a threshold in a room uh
Guest:When I would turn on the shower, when the water hits the floor of the shower, when I put shampoo in my hair, when the shampoo touches my hair.
Guest:You've got to think of a face.
Guest:Yeah, even when I wash my dog.
Marc:By whose face?
Guest:I don't have to do that now.
Guest:I mean, now I'm talking about it, so you'll probably send me into like...
Marc:But what kind of face would you have to see?
Guest:People that I know or it will always be... The thing that happens that would make me have to repeat things is I see the wrong face.
Guest:So I would see the face of somebody say that I had... Like this night at Largo when I felt like I had been...
Guest:inadvertently rude to Paul Tompkins and it bothered me later like then I would probably see Paul Tompkins face you know when the water hit the floor and I would have to think of somebody else's face who I was getting along with so you'd have to turn the water off and on again yes okay and there's people that are just you just don't want to think about and you think this is just a chemical thing or can you trace it back how long have you been doing that kind of stuff
Guest:Well, I mean, I well, I couldn't wear anything with seams when I was a kid.
Guest:My outfit when I was like a toddler was like I had to wear like tube socks and like.
Marc:Why?
Guest:Because they just seems very sensitive to, you know, the way they felt or the idea of them.
Guest:The way they felt.
Guest:I'm still very particular about what clothes feel like.
Marc:Now when you play music or write songs, did it get you away from this?
Marc:Is there some sort of reprieve?
Marc:Does this drive your creativity?
Yeah.
Marc:You know what I mean, though?
Marc:I mean, because, like, you know, clearly your brain is, you know, overactive and constantly seeking order.
Marc:Like, what's the songwriting process in?
Marc:Does it come in, like, just sort of blasts?
Guest:The song, yes.
Guest:The songwriting thing is in blasts.
Guest:I mean, I think that I'm thinking about it all the time.
Guest:But in terms of, like, music and being at the piano, that's in blasts.
Guest:Now, it used to be different, um...
Guest:But when it became... Before there were words, it was different.
Guest:That was when I was really... That was before the world had its way.
Guest:When you were just playing.
Guest:Yeah, when I was like a really good work ethic and was just jolly about, like, let me show you what I've constructed here.
Guest:Just on the piano.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Long, long pieces.
Guest:And...
Guest:The singing part, well, at first I read because I wrote a song for my friend, but I think that I started writing because I would always get into the situation.
Guest:I have really unique parents, including a stepfather that raised me in New York and my dad raised me when I was out here.
Guest:And my mom, they're very wonderful people.
Guest:And there's lots of laughter in my home growing up.
Guest:Also lots of passion, lots of screaming and fighting and crying and laughing.
Marc:So your parents got divorced and your mom got married again?
Guest:Well, my parents were never married.
Guest:My dad and my mom were never married.
Guest:But when they split up, my mom met a guy when I was four.
Marc:And what'd he do?
Guest:He was 24, and he became an accountant, but he plays guitar, and he's not an accountant anymore.
Guest:I don't have the proper title.
Guest:Sorry.
Guest:Sorry, birdface.
Marc:You don't know what he does?
Guest:He does something for parties.
Guest:He has party equipment.
Guest:He rents virtual reality kind of stuff.
Marc:In the entertainment equipment rental business.
Guest:Robert Pressman.
Guest:Oh, you'd be so mad at me.
Guest:Yeah, I mean, this has all happened.
Guest:He has a different family now, and so this has happened.
Guest:This is his different life.
Guest:When he was my stepfather, he was an accountant.
Marc:Okay, and he was around for how long?
Guest:From when I was four to about 16.
Marc:But everybody loved you, and there was a lot of laughing and playing and fighting, and it was all very exciting.
Marc:And you started singing.
Guest:Yes, but I was the person that would walk into the room and you'd hear, here comes Miss Sunshine.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:In a sarcastic way?
Guest:Yes.
Marc:You were heavy hearted?
Guest:Were you a terror?
Guest:I wasn't a terror.
Guest:I was just, I didn't like anybody.
Guest:I didn't like anything.
Guest:I would say, my stepfather Robert used to say that I should have a
Guest:we need to get you a t-shirt and it'll say i hate on the top and then you can just fill it in for the rest of your life so is that like is that when you started writing songs like or like vocalizing also just because of being the youngest all the time everywhere um i i can just remember just feeling like i have so many important things to say and no one will listen to me and i just remember hearing so many times like
Guest:you're fucking 12 you know yeah and i just like no or or they'd be having fun and you know there was like a lots of um i did sorry guys but it's true i did do the counseling uh marriage counseling with my mom and my stepfather a lot and then we'd have a fight about me and i couldn't be listened to and so i think that i learned after a while that like okay stop trying to be heard in the fight go to your room
Guest:Write a speech, a kick-ass speech.
Guest:Come back later.
Guest:Read it to them.
Guest:Set it down.
Marc:Did you do that?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Please sit down.
Marc:It really was.
Guest:It really was.
Marc:And was that really the first time you were able to expressively write, was these speeches, to put your parents in their place?
Guest:I wrote short stories and stuff, but that was... I mean, that's the... I mean, that's... I guess it was.
Guest:I don't remember how many times I did it, and I'm wondering now, like, what would... I don't think my mom will hear this, but, like, I wonder what she would... If she would even remember hearing the speeches...
Marc:Do you remember them?
Guest:I wish I didn't.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I used to write.
Guest:I wrote so many declarations of things.
Guest:I used to be so cool with writing.
Guest:I would think about big issues.
Guest:I would cut class, but I would go to the library and I would read about stuff.
Guest:I remember reading about the Janes.
Guest:I'll read about the Janes with their fan and the bugs and stuff.
Guest:and um and and i would write it and i would think about it and then i would be up in my little loft bed late at night and i'd be writing about my opinion about about life after death or whatever and i just i'd figure out what i knew about things and i i really um actually yeah early on i i uh because of quote books of philosophers i thought that philosophers just come up with quotes so i thought i am a philosopher i want to be a philosopher i want to come up with quotes
Marc:So you can go with some quote books.
Guest:Yeah, songs are pretty good for that.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:So are jokes.
Marc:And poetry, too.
Marc:I mean, that's what poetry is.
Marc:Yeah, and jokes, too.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:So you just crunch it down.
Marc:It's almost like an equation, a truth equation.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Where you just sort of minimize it, you cut it down, it's almost like a riddle and it's like, oh, it's all right there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it all for me is an issue of that everything is the same.
Guest:It's like everything's a fractal.
Guest:Everything you can compare everything to everything.
Guest:I'm always looking for how this relates to... For me, it's usually like, how does the working of the making of a bookcase relate to what just happened in my life with my boyfriend?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But you can do that.
Guest:You can totally find.
Marc:Break it down.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Break it down.
Guest:I think.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And that's amusing.
Guest:And that's.
Marc:It's like mechanics and structure.
Guest:And it's like, I understand.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I understand how this shit works.
Marc:So that's where you build the metaphor.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And why metaphors are so satisfying.
Guest:oh yeah yeah especially if they hit and they're just right right because and that actually does make sense because you know we got this language yeah that we take for granted that but that is really also a little bit uh you know has too much credit because we've got these words that you know like like i hate the fact of like i hate thinking about uh you know did you love this person i was in love with this person uh for me like
Guest:I don't think that... Every single relationship that you have is a completely different species of love.
Guest:It's not the same thing ever.
Guest:So it's like, have you been in... And for me...
Guest:That never dies.
Guest:It changes into a different kind of thing for me.
Marc:For anybody, even if you're not with them anymore.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, for me, yeah.
Guest:Usually for me, I'm always like, I just, it just matters a lot to me how they're doing.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Well, in terms of like expressing the, well, with each person, the dynamic's going to be different.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And each person has their own different country.
Marc:So the love is sort of like a whole different state of interaction.
Marc:So you don't find that you you're fine.
Marc:You don't find yourself in relationships with a similar type of dynamic.
Marc:Everyone's just completely different and you see everything is a different thing.
Guest:Well, I mean, every person, the feeling is a different thing.
Guest:For me, it's not like, I don't, I don't get it when people are talking about relationships and you can't help but compare one to the other because you notice what you like now that you were missing before you didn't realize or that you miss now that you were getting that you didn't realize.
Guest:You can't help but notice that, and you should.
Guest:But really, to compare relationships or to rate them is ridiculous to me.
Guest:It's like, because they're completely different experiences.
Guest:The in love that I had with this person is not at all the in love that I had with this person.
Guest:First of all, because I wasn't me then.
Guest:I was that person then.
Marc:I mean... Do you think in the future you're going to be somebody else again?
Marc:Like, no matter what, you keep changing?
Marc:So there's nowhere to judge yourself?
Guest:I mean, well, yeah, like, in five minutes I will be.
Guest:On the ride home I'll be different.
Guest:Tomorrow I'll be different.
Guest:But yeah, I mean, I'll be...
Marc:So when you write these songs, when you have these relationships, do these, does it, because it seems like your brain, uh, even in the OCD, I think OCD in its purest form is about, uh, control and problem solving.
Marc:Uh, you know, does, does your songwriting seem to put things into context for you?
Marc:I mean, is it that personal?
Guest:Uh, yeah, I, well, there's different reasons why I would write songs, right?
Guest:Why I do write songs.
Guest:Um,
Guest:A lot of it is a lot of it comes from from just an earnest desire to say something to somebody real that won't allow me to say it to them in person.
Hmm.
Guest:or who hasn't understood me properly yet.
Marc:And then... Like giving a speech to your parents.
Guest:Right, exactly.
Guest:So, well, I just need to have it said right out there in the world.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because maybe you don't understand now, but I need the truth to be told.
Guest:Right.
Right.
Guest:I mean, when I made my first record, I really did, really, really did think that that was going to solve everything because I thought that this will be my... Hello, I am.
Guest:This is me.
Guest:Nice to meet you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Let's skip it all, and if you like this, then let's be best friends forever, and I'll always be loyal, and let's hug, and that's what I wanted.
Marc:So you created a lot of best friends, way more than you probably could have ever handled.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, that's not what happens.
Guest:Now it seems to me what happens... I mean, I'm enjoying myself now.
Guest:People receive me for interviews.
Guest:I come and meet people and sit down and they don't have that smirk look on their face anymore for some reason that they used to have.
Guest:When I was... So that you'd sit down and they'd be like...
Guest:So it's interesting.
Guest:I was just I was talking to my friend the other day and we were talking about you.
Guest:We were like, you know, it's so interesting.
Guest:Why does everybody hate you?
Guest:You know, it's so funny.
Guest:Like people would just come to you.
Guest:I know a lot of people that like just went to your show just to see if you would like break down and like do something totally ridiculous.
Guest:Just these that kind of stuff.
Guest:I that kind of attitude through you're like gone.
Guest:I think that actually the people But I don't care anymore, so I think I don't notice so much But also your body of work speaks for itself and they you know you've you've kept up Fucking finally.
Guest:I mean nobody ever said anything bad about my music, right?
Guest:They just thought you were nutty I kind of wish they had because then I would have actually really stood up for myself
Marc:Well, what was going on with you where you have these sort of meltdowns and stuff on stage?
Guest:I'm a human being.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But I mean, in the moment.
Guest:I didn't have meltdowns.
Marc:No, you just said you would leave.
Guest:No, I wouldn't leave.
Guest:I did once at Roseland.
Marc:Oh, it was just once?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I only left once and I felt bad.
Marc:But what happened in that moment?
Guest:um in that moment i couldn't physically stop crying because everything was so wrong in life at that very moment and having to get on that stage at that moment in my life and then uh and and then i couldn't hear myself and there was this uh i can't remember who had played there the night before but they had cleaned the place because everybody had thrown up in the front row and so they cleaned it with ammonia and there was this
Guest:It was like a perfect storm of sensory and real just... Yeah, I get it.
Guest:Dragging across the coals.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Yeah, just awful.
Guest:Everything smelled bad and tasted bad.
Guest:And I was not going to be doing a good show.
Guest:And it... I...
Marc:You're entitled to one, uh, I'm not doing this.
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:I made it up.
Guest:I made up the show and you know, I, I made, I'm, I'm, I learned from it.
Marc:People are fucking piranhas.
Marc:They're just, they're vultures.
Marc:They just want to, you know, rip something.
Guest:I mean, I really had no choice at that time though.
Guest:Really?
Guest:I, I, I, for like an hour afterwards, I can't say everything that was going on.
Guest:I can't say.
Marc:Relationship stuff?
Guest:Well, anything that involves any other human beings is a dangerous territory to start talking about things when you're complaining.
Marc:But you're better now.
Guest:yeah yeah i mean i feel like uh actually i love um i love roseland the story because i i love saying roseland now because i remember that was a bottom of some kind correct oh the world was done and i was just starting a tour for which album uh i guess the second one yeah
Guest:uh yeah so i was already kind of under the expectations were high no i was under i was already uh under like attack for shit you know not under attack but like like what she's back and she's not i could have said none of this and you would think that i was just always totally successful and and loved and everything it's just my perception of things i'm coloring your perception of me now now you know me as the person that everyone hates because i'm telling you that i am
Marc:No, look, you're a person that obviously has struggles with inner self and is misunderstood.
Guest:Is this fucking more noticeable with me than other people?
Guest:I don't understand.
Marc:I think that when you're intense and you're brilliant and you have a certain passion, when you want to be, you're wide open and you're delivering the goods.
Marc:And what that means also is that you're as vulnerable as you can be.
Marc:So for you to be at your best,
Marc:And for you to be thoroughly expressing yourself, you are wide open.
Marc:So when someone is wide open, that means assholes are going to be like, and they're going to poke at it.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But it's a vulnerability that you bring that's necessary for you to fucking be great.
Guest:But I think that I'm not worried about it, though, because I mean, that just has to happen a few times and you have to like feel really terrible.
Guest:And I mean, like, yeah, people poke at you.
Guest:But but I don't think that I can help it.
Guest:Here's an analogy of the physical version of this.
Guest:At my house, about twice a year, we have to fix the faucets, every handle on everything.
Guest:People can't open the bottles that I close, and I don't know that I'm doing this with things, and I don't feel tense all the time.
Guest:But I do things really hard.
Guest:Like, my brother kind of does that, too.
Guest:Like, he sets things down really hard.
Guest:But I, like, do things quiet hard.
Guest:Like, I'm, I just, I don't know that I'm doing it.
Guest:And so sometimes I'm, like, I'm actually curious.
Guest:Like, did I see that?
Guest:Am I intense?
Guest:Because I got told a lot when I was a kid by people who didn't want to be my friend anymore that I was too intense.
Guest:And I don't doubt that I was, but I didn't feel like I was being... And people in the street would be like, smile.
Guest:Like, why am I the fucking person that says...
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I have similar issues.
Marc:I'm not a beacon of light all the time.
Guest:Your resting face isn't a smile.
Marc:I always look a little cranky or a little angry or a little in my head or a little too.
Marc:I've grown to believe it's some sort of hypersensitivity.
Marc:Some people can pull their shit together and behave properly in public.
Marc:Other people, it's not going to happen.
Guest:That's why I like to do this thing where when you see a really old person whose face looks really mean, this is a fun game to play, is to smile really, really big at them.
Guest:Because half the time, you think they're just going to keep on scowling, but it's just because they're old and they've scowled a lot in their life or they're just wrinkled.
Guest:But all of a sudden, out of that face, they'll be like, yee!
Guest:And they'll smile so nicely at you.
Guest:And it sounds so stupid.
Guest:Very rewarding.
Guest:But yeah, totally rewarding.
Guest:And when they don't, you can be like, nasty old fucker.
Guest:Fuck you.
Marc:Look, sometimes the world weighs differently on different people.
Marc:What are you going to do?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But you're happy with the record.
Yeah.
Guest:I love the record.
Guest:I love the record.
Marc:Well, I'm so glad that you're evolving and you seem to be very self-aware of all this shit that might have brought you down before.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, I think that the key is that you have to know that you're going to be down again.
Marc:Keep fighting.
Guest:Just know how to get yourself down.
Guest:Out of it.
Guest:And remember that you're going to be down again after this.
Guest:I wonder what the... I find that if I'm worried about one thing, it's good to have something else, too, to worry about after that.
Marc:The distracting worry.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You want to plan ahead.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Don't worry about this shit.
Guest:You got so much shit to go through for the rest of your life.
Guest:This is just one thing.
Guest:And in a few years, you're going to think this was easy.
Guest:So just...
Marc:But do you ever have, like, can you stop the noise?
Guest:Can you stop the rain from falling?
Guest:I just did some people pricing.
Marc:Do you ever, like, stop the noise?
Marc:Do you have any peace?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:No.
Marc:Well, thank you for talking to me.
Guest:Thank you for talking to me.
Thank you.
Marc:Okay, that's our show, people.
Marc:That entire conversation was a surprise to me.
Marc:I didn't you know, it came about in a very organic way.
Marc:You know, I've been in touch with Fiona before.
Marc:I knew she had a new record out.
Marc:She texted me about something about a song.
Marc:I don't know what.
Marc:And I said, let's do the show.
Marc:And she and I knew that with someone like her, that, you know, it would be an impulsive thing.
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