Episode 287 - Bob Odenkirk, David Cross, John Ennis, Josie Long, Neal Brennan

Episode 287 • Released June 10, 2012 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Guest:Lock the gates!

00:00:07Guest:Are we doing this?

00:00:08Guest:Really?

00:00:08Guest:Wait for it.

00:00:09Guest:Are we doing this?

00:00:10Guest:Wait for it.

00:00:12Guest:Pow!

00:00:12Guest:What the fuck?

00:00:14Guest:And it's also, eh, what the fuck?

00:00:16Guest:What's wrong with me?

00:00:17Marc:It's time for WTF.

00:00:19Marc:What the fuck?

00:00:20Guest:With Mark Marron.

00:00:22Guest:All right, let's do this, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fucking ears, what the fucking ucks.

00:00:29Guest:It's live, what the fuck, from the Vancouver Comedy Festival.

00:00:35Guest:At the Rio Theater.

00:00:37Guest:Oh, look at this.

00:00:40Marc:I don't even know how to receive this love.

00:00:42Marc:You guys are so nice.

00:00:47Marc:Thank you so much for coming down.

00:00:49Marc:It's good to see you.

00:00:50Marc:I was happy that several people thought it right to storm the stage.

00:00:55Marc:before the show, and I was just trying to get organized and just dump gifts on me.

00:01:01Marc:It's fucking awesome.

00:01:03Marc:I think this one's a little anti-Semitic, though, unless this guy's actually Jewish.

00:01:09Marc:So we're going to have to find that out.

00:01:10Marc:He gave me a salmon cream cheese.

00:01:14Marc:Why don't you just put Jew on the outside of the bag?

00:01:19Marc:Marco liked this because he's one of them.

00:01:23Marc:Okay.

00:01:25Marc:But Gabe, where are you, Gabe?

00:01:27Marc:Are you a Jew?

00:01:28Marc:All right, fuck you then.

00:01:31Marc:I get it.

00:01:32Marc:Oh, wait.

00:01:33Marc:No, you mixed it up a little.

00:01:34Marc:You put the red onion and the capers in.

00:01:36Marc:He's like, oh, maybe he goes a little the other way too.

00:01:39Marc:Maybe he's not straight up Jew.

00:01:41Marc:And baby Dill.

00:01:41Marc:It's very lovely.

00:01:42Marc:I'm just being mean because it's funny.

00:01:44Marc:All right.

00:01:46Marc:So that's one gift.

00:01:47Marc:This is fucking unbelievable.

00:01:49Marc:I didn't think I was going to have anything to talk about, but there's much to address.

00:01:52Marc:Eric with the homemade soap.

00:01:54Marc:I get it.

00:01:57Marc:I appreciate it.

00:01:58Marc:I get it.

00:01:58Marc:You see me tweet about my showering problems?

00:02:01Marc:No, I like homemade soap.

00:02:02Marc:It's very pretty and I'll use it.

00:02:04Marc:And it'll be nice.

00:02:06Marc:Okay.

00:02:07Marc:What else we got?

00:02:07Marc:Oh, flight from death.

00:02:09Marc:The quest for immortality.

00:02:14Marc:This is a documentary about Ernest Becker.

00:02:16Marc:I think I've sold more denial-of-death books than that guy ever thought he would sell in a lifetime.

00:02:22Marc:What's his name?

00:02:23Marc:A guy named Happy gave me that.

00:02:25Marc:A guy named Happy gave me Flight from Death.

00:02:28Marc:Did you make up that name just to serve your ideology?

00:02:32Marc:Flight from Death.

00:02:33Marc:My name's Happy.

00:02:36Marc:That's very good.

00:02:36Marc:What else we got?

00:02:37Marc:Cupcakes, of course.

00:02:38Marc:Kathy brought cupcakes.

00:02:40Marc:And then someone who gave this to me, Mona, comes up to me and she says, this is a voodoo doll, but it's a good voodoo doll.

00:02:47Marc:I'm not sure what that means.

00:02:48Marc:Is it good?

00:02:49Marc:What do you do with a good voodoo doll?

00:02:52Marc:I'm gonna make that person feel better.

00:02:57Marc:I'm going to stick happy pins in his head.

00:02:58Marc:A good voodoo doll.

00:03:03Marc:I'll show him.

00:03:04Marc:He's going to have everything he wants.

00:03:07Marc:What's going on there?

00:03:08Marc:Oh, they sell the stuff in the old way.

00:03:10Marc:That's great.

00:03:12Marc:It's like a real movie theater thing, like a cigarette girl kind of thing, right?

00:03:16Marc:No, no, what is it?

00:03:17Marc:Beer?

00:03:17Marc:No, I'm good.

00:03:18Marc:We don't want to start that.

00:03:22Marc:I'll end up living here.

00:03:26Marc:I should turn off my phone.

00:03:28Marc:My girlfriend, Jessica, is flying up tonight for one day.

00:03:31Marc:And now I'm getting this fucking every five minute updates.

00:03:35Marc:I just got a pizza so we don't need to eat later.

00:03:46Marc:Like 20 minutes ago, she was waiting to get on the plane and she took a picture of a glass of wine.

00:03:50Marc:She's like, I'm at the gate.

00:03:54Marc:So now she's going to be full of wine and pizza.

00:03:57Marc:Oh, you guys, I had a...

00:04:01Marc:I had a dream.

00:04:02Marc:I had a Lorne Michaels dream.

00:04:08Marc:No, it was fucked up.

00:04:11Marc:Let's just keep this between us.

00:04:13Marc:It just happened last night.

00:04:15Marc:I had a dream.

00:04:16Marc:I was in a movie theater with Lorne Michaels.

00:04:18Marc:Now that we're in this theater, I'm wondering if that... I can't really translate what the dream was about, but we were in a movie theater.

00:04:26Marc:I didn't think it was a date.

00:04:28Marc:And... Like, I'm just sitting in a movie theater with Lorne Michaels.

00:04:34Marc:Like, he's in a side seat like this.

00:04:36Marc:Like, over in that area.

00:04:38Marc:So I'm just sitting there, and he's sitting there.

00:04:39Marc:And then all of a sudden, he just looks at me, and I'm like, it's fucking Lorne Michaels.

00:04:42Marc:We're hanging out.

00:04:43Marc:And then he goes to, like, sort of snuggle up against me.

00:04:46Marc:Like, he leans over to, like, you know, do a fucking snuggle thing.

00:04:51Marc:And I was like, I don't know.

00:04:52Marc:There's people here.

00:04:53Marc:That was my only excuse.

00:04:54Marc:So I...

00:04:57Marc:Like, you know, it's cool to be hanging out with Lorne Michaels, but then it's just, you know, if you do that, it's just weird.

00:05:02Marc:How's that gonna make me look?

00:05:03Marc:That was my only discomfort with the situation.

00:05:06Marc:So he goes to lean in, and I'm like, oh, I don't know, I gotta go.

00:05:08Marc:And I took off my overcoat, and then he laid down over, like, three seats, and I covered him like a sick child.

00:05:15Marc:And I just sort of ambled out of the movie theater.

00:05:19Marc:And then I woke up and went, holy shit, what was that?

00:05:23Yeah.

00:05:25Marc:So I've had fun in Vancouver.

00:05:27Marc:I've only been here like an hour or two.

00:05:29Marc:So I went to Tim Hortons nine times.

00:05:33Marc:And for some reason, that's like how I really go on a bender on the road now.

00:05:38Marc:It's like, where's their shitty coffee that makes you really fucked up in the head?

00:05:42Marc:And people are like, you know, we have good coffee places.

00:05:44Marc:I'm like, fuck that, man.

00:05:45Marc:I want Tim Hortons.

00:05:46Marc:I want to be fucked up.

00:05:47Marc:I had three cups of it, and I had a headache that felt like a rock at the base of my neck right here.

00:05:54Marc:I couldn't figure it out.

00:05:55Marc:I'm like, I've never had a headache like that before.

00:05:57Marc:And it's like, that's Tim Hortons' headache.

00:05:59Marc:That's what I decided.

00:06:02Marc:All right, I got a lot of dream emails.

00:06:05Marc:I read dream emails.

00:06:07Marc:You've heard me read them before.

00:06:08Marc:But some guy, of course, wrote me and said, I just want you to know how easy it is to make up a fucking dream.

00:06:13Marc:And a lot of those people aren't really dreams.

00:06:16Marc:They're just people making them.

00:06:17Marc:Then he wrote one, and he's like, see?

00:06:19Marc:And I'm like...

00:06:22Marc:What an asshole.

00:06:23Marc:I mean, like, you know, who sits and spends a half hour doing that?

00:06:26Marc:I'm going to shit on Mark's little dream party with this ridiculous non sequitur thing that I think looks like a dream.

00:06:32Marc:Fuck you.

00:06:32Marc:You can tell.

00:06:33Marc:And I'll explain that in a minute.

00:06:36Marc:This one's just subbed.

00:06:37Marc:The heading is just we dream of Mark.

00:06:40Marc:Add me to the list of dreamers who for some reason find you in my dreams.

00:06:44Marc:In mine, your skin looks gorgeous.

00:06:48Marc:And when I told you, you blushed.

00:06:51Marc:I then sat down and took you in my arms like a baby and rocked you gently.

00:06:58Marc:You were full size, slim, and very lightweight.

00:07:09Marc:You loved it.

00:07:12Marc:So did I. P.S.

00:07:14Marc:For context, note that I'm a nice big woman in her 50s, so it's not that weird.

00:07:23Marc:Love you, Marco.

00:07:27Marc:That was a good one.

00:07:29Marc:This one, oh, this one, I like the end of this one.

00:07:33Marc:Finally had a dream about you.

00:07:34Marc:Hey, Mark, I think all those emails you read about people having dreams about you finally seeped into my subconscious.

00:07:39Marc:Last night I had a dream that you were recording an episode in my house on my computer and you had a British intern with you.

00:07:45Marc:And when I say British, I mean like Tiny Tim sort of British.

00:07:49Marc:You know, chimney sweeper and all.

00:07:51Marc:See, that's how you know it's a weird dream.

00:07:52Marc:Where the fuck would that come from?

00:07:55Marc:Okay, anyway, you had some guests with you, and when the guests left, you asked me what I thought.

00:08:00Marc:For some reason, I thought the guest's voice was too much like Dan Harmon's or Todd Hansen's.

00:08:04Marc:So I said, you should scrap it.

00:08:06Marc:You agreed, and then sold me some Nintendo 64 video games.

00:08:10Wow.

00:08:13Marc:that you bought for $2 each from your family down in Mexico.

00:08:16Marc:Then I asked if you wanted to hang out for a bit, and you told me to leave my own house.

00:08:27Marc:I would so do that.

00:08:28Marc:You gotta get out, dude.

00:08:30Marc:Overall, it was a great dream.

00:08:32Marc:I look forward to every Monday and Thursday because of you, Evan.

00:08:35Marc:Okay, now this email is special.

00:08:38Marc:This is special because I really think this girl had the best of intentions in writing me this email.

00:08:44Marc:But it is so perfectly passive aggressive that I cannot even, it's like a masterpiece in my mind.

00:08:51Marc:Because I was reading it and I'm like, this hurts a lot.

00:08:54Marc:But she seems to not realize it.

00:08:56Marc:All right.

00:08:58Marc:Subject line, ringing true.

00:08:59Marc:Hey, Mark, first of all, I love your podcast.

00:09:03Marc:They are hilarious, insightful, and all-around interesting to listen to.

00:09:07Marc:What I love most about your style of humor is the way you make your depressing, bitter, and or pessimistic thoughts about the world and your life.

00:09:15Marc:Whoa.

00:09:19Marc:Oh, I didn't need that at all.

00:09:24Marc:That was like, I felt like someone hit me inside.

00:09:30Marc:Did you guys fucking feel that?

00:09:33Marc:It just went right fucking through me.

00:09:35Marc:That was ridiculous.

00:09:36Marc:I feel like crying.

00:09:39Marc:I think I was so open.

00:09:41Marc:You know when a kid hears a loud noise and there's that beat before they just start crying?

00:09:49Marc:They're like, I was so right there.

00:09:55Marc:That was fucking phenomenal.

00:09:59Marc:Oh, my God.

00:10:02Marc:Let's get back to this.

00:10:04Marc:Maybe I'm reading too many emails.

00:10:06Marc:So depressing, bitter and or pessimistic thoughts about the world and your life so amazingly hilarious.

00:10:09Marc:To hear you indulge in your own self-pity with such sincerity.

00:10:15Marc:I feel sorry and happy for you at the same time.

00:10:19Marc:It's a confused mix of agreement that what you're saying is true, but guilt that I'm laughing at your expense, which I hope you'll be happy to know makes me laugh even more.

00:10:29Marc:Is it baffling?

00:10:34Marc:I mean, I was like literally sitting there going, is this a good letter?

00:10:37Marc:I don't know if this is a good... However, after listening to your podcast more and more, I've realized that you remind me of my ex-boyfriend.

00:10:44Marc:I'm 23 years old and my ex is 38, so maybe age is part of it.

00:10:50Marc:But mostly it's how you are so introspective that you have accepted that this is the way you are, which has made you content with your dejected view of life.

00:11:05Marc:I told him I thought this, and he laughed and agreed.

00:11:08Marc:Of course he did.

00:11:09Marc:It's fucking the weights off of him.

00:11:11Marc:Obviously, the above outline isn't all what you're about, but I just thought it was a little sad that I find you even funnier because it rings true to me.

00:11:19Marc:Even the phrasing of that fucking sentence.

00:11:22Marc:Why couldn't you just say, I think it's funny?

00:11:24Marc:As opposed to not accept that you're fucked up and dump this shit in some sort of poetic, lyrical assault on me.

00:11:33Marc:Am I being too defensive?

00:11:35Marc:Then she writes, thanks for the laughs.

00:11:36Marc:Cheers, Natalie.

00:11:40Marc:Oh, this guy wanted me to do this.

00:11:42Marc:Almost there, Neil.

00:11:44Marc:My best friend Matt Taylor is currently living in China and is incredibly jealous, crushed that he isn't here in Vancouver this week.

00:11:50Marc:A, to see you perform live at Comedy Mix.

00:11:52Marc:B, come to a live taping of WTF with Bob and David.

00:11:56Marc:Or C, come to the closing night gala and see a star-studded lineup that includes Bob and David, yourself, Tim Heidecker, John Innes, Chelsea Peretti, Matt Bronger, and Josie Wong.

00:12:05Marc:Why is he listing the credits of the show I'm on in an email?

00:12:09Marc:Like...

00:12:09Marc:And I was curious if you might in any way possible to give my good friend a shout-out, as the kids say, on this week's show, as it would mean the world to a huge WTF Mr. Show fan and hopefully entice him to move back to Canada so that he doesn't miss out on such things again.

00:12:25Marc:It's not possible.

00:12:33Marc:Come on.

00:12:34Marc:Have we had enough...

00:12:37Marc:This first interview is gonna be exciting for me.

00:12:39Marc:I've known this guy since he was what, 16?

00:12:45Marc:17.

00:12:49Marc:He was a doorman at the Boston Comedy Club in New York City.

00:12:53Marc:He's the brother of a comic that I'm aged with.

00:12:56Marc:His older brother, Kevin, is a comic.

00:12:58Marc:But he went on to do amazing things.

00:13:00Marc:He was the co-creator of the Chappelle Show.

00:13:02Marc:He co-wrote, and did you direct Half-Baked?

00:13:06Marc:Yeah.

00:13:06Marc:Co-wrote Half-Baked.

00:13:08Marc:He's now doing stand-up comedy to get his spite out.

00:13:13Marc:How else do I want to frame this interview?

00:13:17Marc:Neil and I have issues.

00:13:20Marc:And I think it's going to be okay.

00:13:23Marc:And I think we should just bring him up.

00:13:25Marc:He's performing tonight.

00:13:26Marc:Please welcome Neil Brennan to the stage.

00:13:36Guest:What did you just say to me?

00:13:38Guest:Backstage, we're like, so are we going to talk about our issues?

00:13:41Guest:And then, sure enough, me and this next guy have issues.

00:13:44Yeah.

00:13:45Guest:Well, I think we should just get it out of the way.

00:13:47Guest:Okay.

00:13:50Guest:Before... And I actually want to... And I mean this in all seriousness.

00:13:54Guest:I left my Prozac in the States.

00:14:00Guest:So if anyone has... Are you serious?

00:14:03Guest:Yeah.

00:14:03Guest:How many days have you been off?

00:14:04Guest:I need... Oh, this is... This would be day one, but I'm not going to get back till...

00:14:10Guest:I'm going on the road.

00:14:12Marc:What do you think is going to happen?

00:14:13Guest:I don't know.

00:14:15Guest:There's no telling.

00:14:17Marc:What are you getting out of the Prozac?

00:14:19Marc:I mean, why did you take it?

00:14:20Guest:Have you never been on medication?

00:14:21Marc:No, I have.

00:14:22Marc:I was on Prozac briefly, and what I found was that I had other problems, and it enabled me to focus more on those other problems.

00:14:31Marc:Like?

00:14:32Marc:But like what happens with Prozac, it sort of turns the noise off, you know what I mean?

00:14:36Marc:Like all the stuff, all the spinning and all the bullshit, that just stopped and I was able to focus on why I was an asshole.

00:14:43Marc:Do you understand?

00:14:44Marc:But I also found, and I've done bits about this.

00:14:46Guest:And it didn't help you solve?

00:14:48Marc:No, no.

00:14:48Marc:It did.

00:14:49Marc:But it was not like, I didn't want to do it for my life.

00:14:51Marc:I didn't want to be on Prozac forever.

00:14:52Guest:Have you ever gone to therapy?

00:14:53Marc:Sure I have.

00:14:54Marc:Here's what I found with Prozac.

00:14:55Marc:And I've talked about it before.

00:14:58Marc:Is that whatever, you know, they used to market it by saying like, it'll give you a new personality.

00:15:02Marc:Right.

00:15:02Marc:And it does kind of, but the old one is still locked inside of you.

00:15:06Marc:So there was that feeling that like, there was a me inside of me going, let me the

00:15:10Marc:fuck out of here.

00:15:11Marc:This pill-popping freak has taken over.

00:15:13Guest:Do you still like that?

00:15:15Guest:The inner you?

00:15:17Marc:Yeah, what's not to like?

00:15:18Marc:Sure, what's not to believe in?

00:15:19Marc:That's the authentic self.

00:15:20Marc:Why are you trying to hide that from you?

00:15:23Guest:Because mine's real sad.

00:15:27Guest:It's just a very sad guy that I don't want around.

00:15:32Guest:That's how I feel about depression.

00:15:33Guest:Like, I suffer from depression, and I used to try to out-achieve it.

00:15:37Guest:Yeah.

00:15:38Guest:I literally would go, like, I'd be depressed, and I'd be like, well, I'm going to fucking sell a movie.

00:15:43Guest:And then I'd get, like, fucking...

00:15:44Guest:Woo.

00:15:45Guest:Like, party.

00:15:45Guest:You sold a movie.

00:15:46Guest:I'd be like, fuck you.

00:15:47Guest:See you later, depression.

00:15:48Guest:Yeah.

00:15:48Guest:And then a year and a half later, I'd be walking down the street and be like, Neil.

00:15:52Guest:I'd look over and it's depression waving at me.

00:15:54Guest:Motherfucker.

00:15:54Marc:Oh, fuck.

00:15:55Marc:He caught up with me.

00:15:56Marc:Yeah.

00:15:56Marc:In this car.

00:15:58Marc:Well, I understand that, man.

00:16:00Marc:I just found that what happened was, and I talked about this.

00:16:03Marc:Why do I keep referring to myself?

00:16:05Marc:Yeah.

00:16:05Marc:I think it made my sense of self become like a phantom limb.

00:16:10Marc:Like, you know, like I'd see things.

00:16:11Marc:I'm like, usually that fucking pissed me off.

00:16:13Marc:And then it wouldn't because I was on Prozac.

00:16:15Marc:And then I'd be pissed off.

00:16:16Marc:Oh, you'd be mad that you weren't mad.

00:16:17Marc:Yeah, I was pissed off that I wasn't mad.

00:16:18Marc:I'm like, what's it doing to me?

00:16:20Marc:It's taken away my life.

00:16:21Guest:Yeah, I've seen.

00:16:22Guest:I've never.

00:16:23Guest:Yeah.

00:16:23Guest:But I've seen people react to it like that.

00:16:25Guest:But it's not doing that for you.

00:16:26Guest:And now to me, it's just an equal.

00:16:28Guest:How long you been on it?

00:16:30Guest:I was on Zoloft for like 10 years.

00:16:32Guest:Holy shit, dude.

00:16:33Guest:You're fucked up.

00:16:33Guest:Heck of a run.

00:16:35Guest:Yeah.

00:16:35Guest:And then now I just switched to Prozac.

00:16:37Guest:It stopped working.

00:16:38Guest:Yeah.

00:16:39Guest:And I tried to, like, fucking Irish my way through it.

00:16:41Guest:Like, fucking, I'm going to exercise.

00:16:43Guest:I'm going to fucking do.

00:16:44Guest:It's not you.

00:16:45Guest:You need to work with the Prozac or work with the Zoloft.

00:16:48Guest:And then finally I just switched.

00:16:49Marc:Now, have you gone down the whole checklist?

00:16:51Marc:You know, compulsive eating, compulsive masturbating, compulsive exercising.

00:16:55Guest:I'm a vegan.

00:16:57Marc:Well, I guess that makes you better than most of us.

00:17:00Guest:Well, not all, but a lot of you, yeah.

00:17:02Marc:You're exactly the kind of guy that would be a vegan.

00:17:06Marc:If I might say that.

00:17:08Guest:I know I'm new to it, though.

00:17:09Marc:Of course you are.

00:17:09Marc:But you're right.

00:17:10Guest:There is a completely... It's like one long-ass lint.

00:17:14Guest:You know what I mean?

00:17:16Guest:It really is like a religion... It becomes a superstition of like, no, I can't... It's a weird... You're right.

00:17:21Guest:It's like a Ramadan lint.

00:17:22Guest:Sure.

00:17:23Marc:No, you're romanticizing the fact that you're a control freak.

00:17:26Guest:I get it.

00:17:27Guest:Yeah.

00:17:27Guest:No, you're absolutely right.

00:17:30Guest:Absolutely.

00:17:30Marc:You guys have to stay on board here.

00:17:34Marc:When I take shots at Neil, you laugh at them.

00:17:38Marc:Don't feel sorry for him.

00:17:42Marc:He's a slightly recovered dick.

00:17:45Guest:That's a great way to get over to get an audience.

00:17:48Guest:Just go like, I'm sad.

00:17:50Guest:Remember Jeff Ross used to open with that?

00:17:52Guest:Jeff Ross used to say, you guys are cheering me up.

00:17:55Guest:It was just the best fucking like, we are cheering you up?

00:17:58Marc:Oh, he needs us.

00:17:59Guest:You guys are cheering me up.

00:18:01Marc:Oh, fuck you, Neil.

00:18:02Marc:No, I'm not...

00:18:03Marc:I'm not going to let this happen.

00:18:04Marc:I'm not going to let you hijack this into me picking on some sad, fucked up person.

00:18:14Marc:I don't know.

00:18:15Marc:Now, I want to make it clear right here and in front of you and Neil that he's achieved a great deal of things.

00:18:23Guest:Yeah, thank you.

00:18:24Marc:Yeah.

00:18:25Marc:He wrote a movie, and he was a co-creator of The Chappelle Show.

00:18:27Marc:How many Chappelle shows?

00:18:29Guest:I don't know, two and a half seasons.

00:18:31Guest:I directed a movie.

00:18:32Marc:You directed a movie?

00:18:32Guest:It was not popular, but it's funny.

00:18:34Marc:Yeah, I know.

00:18:34Marc:You told me to see it.

00:18:35Marc:I didn't get to see it.

00:18:36Marc:No disrespect.

00:18:37Marc:What's the name of it again?

00:18:38Marc:The Goods.

00:18:38Marc:The Goods?

00:18:39Marc:Did anyone see that?

00:18:41Marc:There you go.

00:18:42Marc:Yeah, not bad.

00:18:42Marc:All right.

00:18:43Marc:Now, here's what happened.

00:18:45Marc:I directed it all by myself.

00:18:47Marc:We're going to deal with this shit.

00:18:48Marc:Is that all right?

00:18:49Marc:All right.

00:18:51Marc:There's no Prozac?

00:18:54Marc:I don't know if I want to.

00:18:55Marc:Okay.

00:18:56Marc:This will be good for us.

00:18:57Marc:I had Neil over to my garage and we recorded an interview.

00:19:02Marc:And I thought it went very well.

00:19:03Marc:Correct?

00:19:03Guest:I don't think you thought it went very well.

00:19:05Guest:I don't think you thought it went very well.

00:19:08Guest:Because when I wrote to you, here's what happened.

00:19:12Guest:Here's what actually happened.

00:19:14Guest:All right.

00:19:15Marc:We did an interview.

00:19:16Marc:You left.

00:19:17Marc:And then like three or four weeks later, you sent me an email.

00:19:20Marc:And this is my recollection of it.

00:19:22Marc:Right.

00:19:22Marc:I hadn't put it up yet.

00:19:23Marc:I was excited to put it up.

00:19:25Marc:I thought it went well.

00:19:26Marc:I thought it was interesting because we have attention.

00:19:29Marc:And, you know, literally days before I was going to put it up, you wrote me an email and said, don't post the episode.

00:19:34Guest:Yeah, that's true.

00:19:35Guest:And that was it.

00:19:36Guest:That wasn't it.

00:19:37Guest:No.

00:19:38Guest:And it was unsigned.

00:19:39Guest:Don't post... No, it was like I said, hey, it's Neil.

00:19:42Guest:You know, it wasn't like a fucking ransom letter.

00:19:45Guest:Don't fucking post the episode from no one.

00:19:49Guest:You know the one.

00:19:56Marc:All right, so I got the...

00:19:59Marc:I said why, I think.

00:20:00Marc:Some version of why.

00:20:01Marc:I said why.

00:20:02Guest:You said why.

00:20:03Guest:Right.

00:20:04Guest:And I said, you know why.

00:20:09Guest:Anonymous again.

00:20:11Guest:I said, I claim that it was because I kind of talked too much about Chappelle.

00:20:15Marc:You didn't.

00:20:16Marc:You refused to, and it was a respectable thing.

00:20:18Guest:Yeah, but it still felt like I was a little bean spilling.

00:20:20Guest:The truth was, I didn't feel a respect from you.

00:20:27Guest:And I'm not saying I deserve fucking rose petals under my feet.

00:20:31Guest:That's where your head goes.

00:20:33Guest:Your head goes, this motherfucker.

00:20:35Guest:That's not... Because you... It ended up... Yes.

00:20:40Guest:All right.

00:20:40Guest:So then I was like... I just felt like you've had this podcast.

00:20:44Guest:You told me you were going to put me on it very early.

00:20:46Guest:And then you're just having fucking... And I love the podcast.

00:20:49Guest:You just have guest after guest after guest after guest.

00:20:51Guest:This is a different issue.

00:20:52Guest:No, no, no.

00:20:53Guest:It's the same one, though.

00:20:54Guest:No, okay, but there's a whole layer of... I'm giving you more insight.

00:20:57Marc:Right, okay, but there's a whole layer of you sitting there going, when's my fucking turn?

00:21:01Guest:Yeah, well, you should know about as a guy that's tried to get on television.

00:21:05Guest:Tried.

00:21:06Marc:See how he frames things?

00:21:08Marc:No, just listen to... I mean, listen to what he pushes out there.

00:21:13Marc:This is part of the issue.

00:21:16Guest:No, no.

00:21:17Marc:I was backstage tonight, backstage tonight, and I'm like getting ready to come on.

00:21:21Marc:And I'm like, oh, I hope this goes well.

00:21:22Marc:He goes, this is what you do now.

00:21:25Guest:I was saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:21:27Guest:I did not say now.

00:21:28Guest:That's how I heard it.

00:21:29Marc:You didn't make that up?

00:21:31Guest:We both fucking misinterpret one another on a, constantly.

00:21:34Marc:No, it's clear and it's on record.

00:21:36Marc:As a guy who tries to get on television, you said that.

00:21:38Guest:Right, but I've heard you talk about club owners who wouldn't book you as quote-unquote evil cocksuckers.

00:21:46Guest:So I know that when you're being excluded from something, you know there's going to be a visceral reaction.

00:21:52Guest:So don't act like you're magnanimous.

00:21:54Guest:Like, well, no, they make their choices and we're all adults here.

00:21:58LAUGHTER

00:22:02Guest:You instantly go to he's a fucking evil cocksucker.

00:22:06Guest:I try to... Wait a few minutes.

00:22:08Guest:No, I know.

00:22:10Guest:I'm getting better at that, man.

00:22:11Guest:No, I know.

00:22:13Guest:So I'm fucking listening every week.

00:22:17Guest:I'm like, when is this fucking invite coming?

00:22:19Guest:Never comes.

00:22:20Guest:Then we finally go on the show, and it's like, yay, did this thing.

00:22:24Guest:You're kind of like throwing me scraps.

00:22:27Guest:The biggest...

00:22:28Guest:Yeah, I guess so.

00:22:30Guest:Was that big popular?

00:22:31Guest:I guess no.

00:22:31Guest:It was fucking insanely popular, way beyond where it should be popular.

00:22:36Marc:I feel like we spent over an hour in there, and I think that you're categorizing it a little harshly.

00:22:42Marc:I think that my general demeanor is, look, I'm sorry I didn't see everything you did.

00:22:49Marc:Look, I can't do research.

00:22:51Marc:I'm a very panicky person.

00:22:52Marc:I don't expect you to do research.

00:22:54Guest:But I think if I hadn't worked the door...

00:22:57Guest:Huh?

00:22:58Guest:This is where I illustrated the point.

00:23:00Guest:If you knew me as an adult, if you'd heard about me in the abstract, you're looking smooth as fuck, by the way.

00:23:06Guest:Thank you.

00:23:07Guest:Fuck.

00:23:08Guest:Thank you.

00:23:08Guest:Those are smooth arms for a Jew.

00:23:12Marc:No less.

00:23:12Marc:You went with the Jew, not with the age thing.

00:23:14Marc:That was nice.

00:23:15Marc:You could have said for a 50-year-old.

00:23:17Marc:How old are you?

00:23:17Guest:That's the old me.

00:23:20Marc:Now you just go right for the... That's fine.

00:23:24Guest:If you hadn't known me as a fucking little kid, as like a 17-year-old kid, you'd have more abstract respect for me.

00:23:32Guest:So I felt like I had to somehow overcome our origins of our relationship.

00:23:40Marc:You were a dick of a kid.

00:23:42Marc:I mean, you were, I mean, like, it wasn't like I was like, oh, there's that cute guy that I used to like so much.

00:23:47Marc:I mean, you were a, you know, like, advocate.

00:23:50Guest:Who didn't you think was a dick, though, in the 90s?

00:24:01Guest:I don't know.

00:24:03Guest:Yeah, the list is like, it's a fucking lot of dicks and like three good people.

00:24:07Guest:And I can't even remember them apparently.

00:24:09Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:24:10Guest:Three good people, most of whom he married.

00:24:12Marc:Well, okay.

00:24:15Marc:I can take it.

00:24:16Marc:I can take it.

00:24:17Guest:No, I'm trying to keep an open heart here.

00:24:21Marc:Look, I say that as a fan of the show.

00:24:22Marc:No, I know that.

00:24:23Marc:And I'm a big fan of what I've seen of your work.

00:24:29Guest:Thank you.

00:24:30Guest:That's fine.

00:24:30Guest:I know you haven't seen it.

00:24:32Guest:But I felt like if you had, you would respect me more.

00:24:35Guest:What the fuck does respect even mean?

00:24:39Guest:Respect means he's on the right side of the law.

00:24:44Guest:You felt like I was on the wrong side of the law.

00:24:46Guest:Also, you and I are both... What does that even mean?

00:24:49Guest:I don't fucking... It's like good to the spirit of...

00:24:52Marc:Dude, I'm sure that some part of me was jealous of all the fucking success, and then there was part of me that was like, well, this punk kid just fucking, you know, he did this, but he made millions of dollars.

00:25:04Marc:No, I never thought cocktails.

00:25:05Marc:That wasn't what the bile that was about to come out was?

00:25:07Marc:No.

00:25:08Marc:I would have totally written that by myself.

00:25:10Marc:No, I don't think you did a co-tail thing.

00:25:11Marc:I think both of you guys were young guys, and you got along, and you made a thing.

00:25:15Marc:And now, for some reason, you're the one who's trying to transcend above it.

00:25:19Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:25:20Marc:But it's no fun being the co-creator of Chappelle's show.

00:25:23Marc:It's like, wait, I thought it was Chappelle's show.

00:25:26Marc:Yeah.

00:25:26Marc:So you're just a guy that was like, yeah, I guess you did something, right?

00:25:29Marc:Yeah.

00:25:29Guest:No, well, here's the other thing.

00:25:31Guest:You and I both realize that we're both allergic to being underestimated and being dismissed.

00:25:38Marc:Okay.

00:25:40Marc:Look, can we call your father?

00:25:41Marc:I don't have his number.

00:25:50Marc:Here's the only real beef that's left with me.

00:25:53Marc:I've done 250 of these fucking shows.

00:25:57Guest:How many of the people did you think were dicks at the beginning of the interview?

00:26:00Marc:Most of them.

00:26:01Guest:No, I don't know.

00:26:02Guest:That's the arc of the show.

00:26:04Guest:This person is a dick.

00:26:05Guest:Please welcome so-and-so.

00:26:07Guest:No.

00:26:09Guest:Then by the end you go, you know what?

00:26:11Guest:You're not a dick.

00:26:14Guest:But you go, but next week's guy, total dick.

00:26:21Marc:Applause breaks.

00:26:23Marc:There's got to be some truth to it.

00:26:25Marc:No, I'm taking hits for everybody.

00:26:30Marc:A lot of my audience is recovering dicks.

00:26:33Marc:Right.

00:26:33Guest:Yeah, we all, yeah.

00:26:35Marc:No, I think what you're saying is kind of true.

00:26:37Marc:There's not a lot of people that I think were dicks.

00:26:39Marc:There were people that I had an idea about when they came in or that I didn't, a few.

00:26:43Marc:There's not a lot.

00:26:44Marc:There's a short list of people that I had problems with.

00:26:47Marc:I didn't really have you on there because we'd had a couple of conversations, but I can see how my attitude was maybe not great, but out of 250 people, and that's including some dicks, you were the only guy that said, don't fucking air my episode.

00:26:59Marc:The only one that did that.

00:27:00Marc:The only one with the fucking balls.

00:27:03Marc:With the balls?

00:27:04Marc:I didn't even have to say anything.

00:27:05Marc:The balls to do what?

00:27:06Marc:It's like, I won't air it.

00:27:07Marc:No, I'm with you.

00:27:07Marc:No one will know about it.

00:27:08Marc:I don't give a shit.

00:27:09Marc:And then I offered the opportunity to do it, for us to listen to it and do a commentary on it.

00:27:14Marc:I'd still love to do that.

00:27:15Guest:I was particularly in light of this.

00:27:16Guest:I would love to do it.

00:27:17Marc:No, okay.

00:27:18Marc:Maybe we'll do that.

00:27:18Guest:But here's what this fucking kid says.

00:27:20Guest:Again, now he pulls it off the table.

00:27:21Guest:Here's what he says.

00:27:21Guest:He offers it to me and then he pulls it off.

00:27:22Guest:Maybe we'll do it.

00:27:23Guest:I'm busy.

00:27:24Guest:Should I keep waiting for emails?

00:27:26Guest:You motherfucker.

00:27:27Marc:Every time I email you within three emails, it turns into some fucking weird edible struggle.

00:27:32Marc:All right.

00:27:34Marc:Usually it takes four with you.

00:27:36Marc:Go ahead.

00:27:37Marc:So here's where it gets ugly.

00:27:39Marc:He fucking has me pull the episode.

00:27:40Marc:I run into him in New York, and we have this fucking almost a fist fight, which I don't even do.

00:27:46Marc:I don't even fucking fist fight.

00:27:47Guest:I don't either.

00:27:47Guest:Everybody thought we were going to fight.

00:27:48Guest:I'm like, there's no way we're going to fight.

00:27:49Marc:I'm fucking yelling at him, and he's like, you know, you didn't show me enough respect.

00:27:52Marc:Yeah, I called you a cunt.

00:27:53Marc:You know why?

00:27:54Marc:Because... Jesus.

00:28:00Marc:Because after this big thing about respect, and we talk about your father, and we almost get to fucking... You called me a cunt before that.

00:28:07Marc:Fine.

00:28:08Marc:You were probably a cunt before that.

00:28:09Guest:No, that was the arc.

00:28:11Guest:It was like, you call me a cunt, you're like, oh, you deserve my respect, and I'm kind of in my head like, yeah, I think I deserve it.

00:28:18Marc:Yeah, but then you said, when did you say this?

00:28:21Marc:I think you have a problem with younger comics who have out-achieved you.

00:28:27Guest:I said that.

00:28:28Guest:That was after you called me a cunt.

00:28:31Marc:Well, then I should have called you a cunt again.

00:28:36Guest:What I said was... Look, advantage Mark Maron.

00:28:42Guest:What I said was... I said, I think you have people on the show sometimes that have outachieved you so that you can talk to them.

00:28:49Guest:What does that mean?

00:28:50Guest:It means you have on a fucking big-name comedian...

00:28:55Guest:And then you'll kind of talk down to them as if they've outachieved you monetarily.

00:29:01Guest:No, no, no.

00:29:02Marc:Monetarily.

00:29:03Marc:That's all.

00:29:03Guest:Monetarily or commercially.

00:29:05Guest:And then you come at them with, yes, you've done that, but I've outachieved you artistically.

00:29:10Marc:No, I would never say that.

00:29:12Marc:You don't say it.

00:29:12Marc:No, you're projecting it.

00:29:13Marc:So if I'm not saying it, who the fuck are you to tell me I'm doing that?

00:29:16Guest:Fucking Neil Brennan.

00:29:18Marc:Yeah, exactly.

00:29:18Marc:Neil Brennan.

00:29:18Marc:Right.

00:29:21Marc:I do not think that's part of me.

00:29:22Marc:I think all you're seeing is insecurity.

00:29:24Marc:You don't think so?

00:29:25Guest:Then how do you decide how to book the show?

00:29:28Guest:Like, how do you decide?

00:29:30Guest:There's got to be some artistic merit.

00:29:32Guest:To what?

00:29:32Guest:To how you book it.

00:29:34Guest:Yeah, that's why you waited so long.

00:29:35Guest:No kidding.

00:29:36Guest:That's what I mean.

00:29:37Guest:That's exactly what I mean.

00:29:38Marc:You threw me a softball.

00:29:39Marc:No, but that's what I meant.

00:29:40Marc:What are you talking about?

00:29:40Marc:I had a lot of people on that were less, more popular than you were.

00:29:45Marc:Which was galling.

00:29:46Marc:Yeah, okay.

00:29:47Marc:So I'm just saying that what you're saying is true.

00:29:49Marc:I booked the people I want to talk to, and I try to do as many people as possible.

00:29:52Marc:Right, but don't you think... There's nothing personal on your level.

00:29:54Guest:It's based on some... There's got to be some... No, no.

00:29:56Guest:I just want people who can talk for an hour.

00:29:58Marc:No, there's definitely not.

00:30:00Marc:I just... Did you... No.

00:30:01Guest:You're reading into this.

00:30:02Marc:But then you went on a run.

00:30:04Marc:Not really.

00:30:05Marc:Sometimes I tape...

00:30:06Marc:This is getting ridiculous, because now, like, there was a moment there where I didn't even know you were here.

00:30:11Marc:Like, I just... I, like, I all of a sudden realized, like, I'm getting to that place where I'm just... It's going to be cunt time.

00:30:18Marc:I can feel it.

00:30:19Marc:Oh, really?

00:30:19Marc:No, I'm kidding.

00:30:20Guest:No, I'm kidding, because I feel like, well, this is the best we've ever gotten along.

00:30:23Guest:All we ever needed was an audience.

00:30:27Marc:So you got a show tonight?

00:30:28Guest:Yeah.

00:30:30Guest:How'd it sell?

00:30:32Guest:I don't... Exactly.

00:30:33Guest:I don't know.

00:30:34Guest:Probably not as well as this.

00:30:36Marc:Looks like I out-achieved you this evening.

00:30:38Guest:Yeah, again.

00:30:40Guest:Artistically and commercially this time.

00:30:44Guest:Neil Brennan, ladies and gentlemen.

00:30:48Guest:You want to hang out for a while?

00:30:51Marc:You ready?

00:30:56Marc:You know, I'm excited about this next performer because I love her stand-up, but I'm a little out of the loop in the international world, and she used to open for a hero of mine who I met out in London, Stuart Lee, and she's a huge act over there, and it's a privilege to have her here.

00:31:11Marc:Please welcome Josie Long to the stage.

00:31:16Marc:Hi.

00:31:17Guest:Hi.

00:31:20Marc:Now, when you were just standing there watching what was happening, as the next performer, what were you thinking?

00:31:27Guest:I was fucking terrified.

00:31:29Guest:Also because it seemed to me, like, I'm English, hi, and it seems like culturally so different.

00:31:37Guest:Like, I'm involved in so much more politeness than you.

00:31:41Guest:Like, there's no way that that conversation would have happened if you guys were married in England.

00:31:47Guest:Like, there was too much, too much openness.

00:31:50Yeah.

00:31:50Guest:That's what makes America the best fucking country in the world.

00:31:53Guest:And when you were like, yeah, I did call you a cunt, I was like, oh!

00:31:57Guest:Even though I love to swear, but it still seemed... It got tense, huh?

00:32:00Guest:It was nice that you worked through it.

00:32:02Marc:Yeah, but it's temporary.

00:32:05Guest:Do you guys actually hate each other or do you love each other?

00:32:07Marc:No, we've never hated each other for a second.

00:32:09Marc:There's nothing but love here.

00:32:10Marc:No, I'm serious.

00:32:11Marc:I'm serious.

00:32:12Marc:You don't have this kind of dynamic with somebody if at the core of it is some sort of weird familiarity that you cannot pull out of.

00:32:19Marc:Like, if you have this kind of relationship, and I have it with a few guys, if you have this kind of relationship where you're like, right when they walk in the room, you're like, oh, fuck, here we go.

00:32:28Marc:You know, you should just like move past that and go, hey, I love you, man.

00:32:33Marc:Right?

00:32:33Marc:No, absolutely.

00:32:34Marc:All right.

00:32:35Marc:Thanks, Josie.

00:32:36Guest:I know.

00:32:36Guest:It's kind of lovely now.

00:32:39Marc:Why is that?

00:32:40Marc:I don't want to be condescending, but is that true?

00:32:44Marc:Why can't British people talk about their feelings publicly?

00:32:48Guest:Don't make me do this.

00:32:52Marc:Was that too big a question?

00:32:53Marc:I apologize.

00:32:54Marc:Could you please speak for your country?

00:32:56Guest:No, I find it... Because I'm a stand-up, and the stand-up I write is so rarely about kind of... Personal?

00:33:03Guest:Yeah, it's not about my family or my love life or anything like that.

00:33:06Marc:Really?

00:33:07Marc:Yeah.

00:33:07Marc:What do you talk about?

00:33:08Guest:Just anything.

00:33:09Guest:That's good.

00:33:10Guest:but is there like is there a cultural avoidance because i know i've heard that but i don't spend enough time you know in in britain to know that that there is really this sort of weird repressed thing i think it's definitely a case of like you don't want to bring up things with people so if there's someone that you dislike you'll be like oh great they're here hi how are you yeah yeah you know it'd be a lot more of that oh really yeah i couldn't fucking live there

00:33:33Guest:No, but it's good because then when you're with friends, you can be like, oh my God, I had to see that jerk and he was such a total jerk.

00:33:40Guest:Yeah.

00:33:41Marc:We do both of those things.

00:33:43Marc:We do the assaulting sort of engagement and then we go back like, fuck him.

00:33:48Marc:We get both parts.

00:33:50Guest:That's having the cake and eating.

00:33:51Marc:Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:52Marc:And I know you did this a while ago, but I love Stuart Lee, and he was one of these guys that I didn't know at all because I'm completely unfamiliar with the international comedy scene because I'm American and arrogant.

00:34:06Marc:And I just didn't know about it.

00:34:08Marc:But when I finally was turned on to him,

00:34:10Marc:I was like, holy fuck, this guy is amazing.

00:34:13Marc:And he sort of, did he take you under his wing or just, I mean, were you buddies?

00:34:16Guest:Yeah, he was really incredible to me because he was coming back to stand-up.

00:34:21Guest:He took a break from stand-up for a few years.

00:34:24Guest:He made this thing called Jerry Springer the Opera.

00:34:26Guest:Yeah.

00:34:26Guest:Which is, it was incredible.

00:34:28Guest:Yeah, it's a real thing.

00:34:29Guest:It's great.

00:34:29Guest:It was like an opera version of Jerry Springer.

00:34:32Guest:That's all you need to know.

00:34:33Guest:That's what it was.

00:34:34Guest:But on a full scale, like proper opera, like no fucking around.

00:34:38Guest:Yeah.

00:34:38Guest:big cast and he there's like one right wing Christian guy in the whole of England but he does enough work for like a thousand and he's a nutter and he sort of really hounded the production and was just insane basically and Stuart took a break from stand up to do that and he was coming back to doing stand up in 2005 and I was just sort of finding my feet I suppose and he saw me at this gig and then I think he was like sussing out whether I was like

00:35:07Guest:quite annoying or too annoying to take on tour.

00:35:10Guest:And then, like, I was just not too annoying to hang out with.

00:35:14Guest:And then he took me on tour with him around the UK.

00:35:17Guest:So I was, like, 22, 23, and he was, like, late 30s.

00:35:23Guest:But it wasn't creepy, like, with you.

00:35:24Guest:Right.

00:35:26Guest:Sorry, I just... No, it was really cool.

00:35:29Guest:He basically...

00:35:30Guest:I'm sorry.

00:35:31Guest:It's just because you guys are so bitchy to each other.

00:35:33Guest:I was like, I can do that.

00:35:34Marc:No, of course you can.

00:35:35Marc:Yeah, and I want you to.

00:35:37Marc:I want you to do it for all British people.

00:35:38Guest:Thank you.

00:35:40Marc:No, I know I can be a little creepy.

00:35:43Guest:You're creepy at all.

00:35:44Guest:Okay.

00:35:45Marc:So... But not like...

00:35:47Marc:No, I know.

00:35:48Marc:But Stuart's like an amazing guy.

00:35:50Marc:He's one of those dudes, and I think you do this too, where he taught me one of the most important lessons I've ever heard in comedy.

00:35:57Marc:He changed my life in our conversation because he quit because he couldn't stand going out in front of audiences that didn't get him.

00:36:06Marc:And it eventually beat him down, and he didn't know what to do with that in his brain.

00:36:11Marc:And then one day he realized that the proper response to that is not anger, but it's empathy for the person that made a bad choice with their evening.

00:36:19Guest:Yeah, they put the wrong ticket.

00:36:20Marc:That fucking changed my life.

00:36:22Marc:When you see the one or two people in the audience just sort of like, I don't fucking get this.

00:36:26Marc:The realization is sort of like, you're not going to then.

00:36:29Marc:This isn't going to turn around.

00:36:31Marc:I don't do it differently.

00:36:33Marc:I'm sorry you're here.

00:36:34Marc:Because you could have done something else.

00:36:36Marc:That's fucking genius.

00:36:37Guest:When I get that feeling, I almost think, I bet we could have got on under different circumstances.

00:36:42Guest:You say that to them?

00:36:44Guest:Yeah, I say to them, like... Especially now I'm doing political stuff, I'm always like, if we were skiing, that's what... Because that's what, like...

00:36:50Guest:Rich people like.

00:36:51Guest:Yeah.

00:36:52Guest:Skiing.

00:36:53Guest:We'd get on, you know.

00:36:54Guest:Yeah.

00:36:54Marc:Do you know how to ski?

00:36:55Guest:Well, I've done them ski gigs twice in my life.

00:36:58Marc:Ski gigs?

00:36:58Guest:Yes.

00:36:58Guest:Oh, it's incredible.

00:36:59Guest:Okay.

00:37:00Guest:They take you to the Alps and you get three days skiing for free and you do gigs to ski cunts.

00:37:05Guest:Yeah.

00:37:06Guest:They're not good people, but the people who run the gigs are really great and lovely.

00:37:12Guest:Ski cunts.

00:37:13Guest:No, the people who run the gigs are like cool dudes.

00:37:15Marc:I just love that British people can just throw cunt around like it's nothing.

00:37:18Marc:I fucking love that.

00:37:19Marc:Ski cunts.

00:37:20Marc:I put that on t-shirts, but they'd never sell here.

00:37:24Marc:Not in America.

00:37:25Marc:You can have ski cunt on a T-shirt.

00:37:27Guest:I would buy that T-shirt.

00:37:28Marc:Wouldn't you do ski cunt?

00:37:28Guest:I could get away with it.

00:37:29Marc:Oh, she'd open up a whole label of clothing.

00:37:32Marc:It's a ski cunt brand.

00:37:34Marc:Go ahead.

00:37:35Marc:All right, so you're performing for ski cunts in the Alps.

00:37:38Guest:I can't remember why I was talking.

00:37:39Guest:Oh, but then I found it really hard because I've been trying to talk about social justice on stage, and then that's like the worst atmosphere to try and talk about it.

00:37:47Guest:Because even you were thinking, ah, fuck them.

00:37:50Guest:I went down a green run.

00:37:51Guest:I wasn't even looking.

00:37:52Guest:I was like, woo!

00:37:54Marc:That is truly the worst environment for political humor is when people are on vacation.

00:37:58Marc:You're like, hey, by the way, things are fucked up, right?

00:38:01Marc:They're just sitting there with their dumb hats going, well, I thought we were on a trip.

00:38:04Marc:Yeah.

00:38:05Marc:So how'd that go over?

00:38:07Guest:It was quite a challenge.

00:38:08Guest:They listened to you?

00:38:09Guest:But it was fun.

00:38:11Guest:Some gigs were better than others.

00:38:13Guest:But it's that thing that Stuart has, I suppose, which is confidence that you are definitely doing a thing, but it might not be the thing they want.

00:38:22Guest:And seeing stand-up more like

00:38:23Guest:Like musicians, you know, you perform what you perform in your own voice.

00:38:28Guest:It's like different genres of music.

00:38:29Guest:It's not like, well, they're funny, they're not funny.

00:38:31Guest:It's like, well, they're doing that, they're doing that.

00:38:34Marc:Yeah, well, there's that, though.

00:38:35Marc:But when you're a musician and people hate you, you can always just look at the bass player and go, hey, yeah.

00:38:39Marc:we're doing it you know when you're when you're a comic you can just look at them and go this isn't happening they don't have a bass player up there so I'm still like I can't imagine doing I've done ski was this a ski area where they were still wearing their boots and shit like just fresh off the slope so if there was any problem about politics they'd have to clunk after you with their boots come back

00:39:07Marc:I needed to bring that back just to do a stupid physical bit.

00:39:11Marc:But what do you do politically?

00:39:12Marc:Is it a full change in your disposition?

00:39:15Guest:Yeah, it really is.

00:39:17Marc:You're newly political.

00:39:19Guest:Yeah, I think so.

00:39:20Guest:I was certainly newly really angry because we've in the middle of... Well, because the year before last night... Are you really angry?

00:39:27Guest:Yeah, it's not even deliberate.

00:39:29Guest:It's provoked, you know, because I live under this government that's so conservative.

00:39:33Guest:It's like rabid.

00:39:34Guest:And so every decision they make, you know, you feel like every morning you're looking at the news and you're getting a kicking for no reason.

00:39:40Guest:And it's all the stuff you like because, like, I like arts and I like libraries and I like, you know, people having health care and that kind of thing.

00:39:48Guest:Yeah, all kinds of stuff.

00:39:49Guest:And so, like, every day it's like, how are they, why are they doing that?

00:39:52Guest:And so there's been, like, a whole generation of comedians.

00:39:54Marc:Was that just you angry?

00:39:56Marc:is that me when you went ow why oh no no that makes it no man that's just a joke when i'm angry i'm like much yeah i'm just waiting for you like them god damn it is that in you yes i'm not i'm not a toy okay you're not okay i'm sorry i wasn't trying to objectify you in any way as a toy so um when you do like what kind of gigs do you do for the politics stuff

00:40:21Guest:There's a genuine thing that I'm really excited about that I've started doing, which is because I'm part of this group called UK Uncut.

00:40:28Guest:And there's a US Uncut, but I don't know whether there's a Canada one.

00:40:30Guest:I don't know.

00:40:31Guest:I don't know.

00:40:31Guest:I don't care.

00:40:32Guest:I didn't before find out.

00:40:33Guest:Is it affiliated with the... That's not what I meant.

00:40:35Guest:I didn't mean it like that.

00:40:36Guest:It just sounded like that.

00:40:37Marc:That was better.

00:40:38Yeah.

00:40:38Marc:Is it affiliated with the Occupy thing?

00:40:40Guest:Sort of.

00:40:41Guest:I mean, it's definitely similar.

00:40:42Marc:It's an Occupy offshoot?

00:40:43Guest:No, no.

00:40:44Guest:It predates Occupy.

00:40:45Marc:Oh, okay.

00:40:45Marc:It's predating the Occupy.

00:40:47Marc:Yeah.

00:40:48Guest:I was going to say fuck Occupy, but I didn't mean it at all.

00:40:50Guest:It's like the opposite.

00:40:51Marc:If you would have said fuck Occupy, that would be the exact reason why the left is never empowered as much as they should be.

00:40:58Marc:We're always fighting.

00:40:59Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:40:59Marc:No, fuck Occupy.

00:41:01Marc:We were doing that before.

00:41:02Marc:But I tell you, no.

00:41:04Marc:With less effect, apparently.

00:41:06Yeah.

00:41:06Guest:But the reason the left never gets anywhere is because everyone has to have 20 meetings about everything.

00:41:11Guest:Exactly.

00:41:11Guest:And then everyone cobbles over, like, a small thing that's irrelevant.

00:41:15Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:41:16Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:41:16Marc:And there's always the one person that's like, I'm allergic to oils.

00:41:20Marc:Is there any way that we can make this a scent-free zone for these meetings?

00:41:26Marc:And then people have to talk about it for 20 minutes.

00:41:28Marc:And then the one chick with dreadlocks who has patchouli on is like, fuck you, man.

00:41:33Marc:I should have a... And then that's your meeting.

00:41:35Guest:Mm-hmm.

00:41:38Guest:Right?

00:41:38Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:41:40Guest:Yeah.

00:41:40Marc:Well, I got done in that meeting.

00:41:43Marc:But, okay, I apologize.

00:41:44Guest:We start doing this thing where we go into kind of banks that, because the government, my government is making loads and loads of cuts that are completely unnecessary and, like, fueled by ideology, and we're all furious about it.

00:41:55Guest:So we go into, like, tax-dodging businesses like Rodophone and banks that we've bailed out to the tune of, like, millions.

00:42:02Guest:And then we just kind of, like, occupy them and turn them into sort of comedy clubs or creches.

00:42:07Guest:Oh, really?

00:42:07Guest:Yeah.

00:42:07Guest:Yeah, so, like, you turn a bank into a creche and then they can't get angry.

00:42:10Guest:A what?

00:42:11Guest:Do you have creches?

00:42:12Marc:No.

00:42:13Guest:Daycare, thank you.

00:42:15Guest:You turn a bank into a daycare.

00:42:17LAUGHTER

00:42:17Guest:Yeah.

00:42:19Guest:Mm-hmm.

00:42:20Marc:How many more people left?

00:42:22Guest:Yeah, we're still only like 10%, so it's not ideal.

00:42:25Marc:Well, that's better than the 1% who aren't here.

00:42:27Marc:So, wait, so you bring kids in and you set them up?

00:42:35Marc:You bring kids into this?

00:42:36Guest:No, it sounds creepy.

00:42:37Marc:No, no, no, no, I don't mean it in a creepy way.

00:42:38Guest:Yeah, so people would like turn it into a question, then basically people working there can't be like, I'm furious at these babies.

00:42:43Oh.

00:42:43Guest:They just have to be like, okay, there's loads of babies.

00:42:46Guest:That's kind of genius.

00:42:48Marc:It's just, you know, use the kids as a shield, I think they call that.

00:42:52Guest:Human shield.

00:42:54Marc:It's like, how are you going to hate us?

00:42:55Guest:Look at the baby.

00:42:57Guest:Now give me the fucking money.

00:42:59Guest:Do people drop their kids off at these fucking Vodafones?

00:43:03Guest:Like, hey, is there a crash here?

00:43:05Guest:Yeah, take my baby.

00:43:06Guest:I got to get some shit done.

00:43:07Guest:that is how we got three babies out of the last one just please tell me that one of them was left and no one came to pick it up yeah it's a mascot we're still trying to find that child's parents we're taking care of it but so I think the reason we do is to try and like

00:43:25Guest:turn anger into like something good and joyful and like something to do with like vaguely like because what I really love is comedy and I'd rather just be trying to do comedies and we did this thing where we rented a mini van and we took it around the country to places that people slag off so like people go oh that's a shit hole that's a dump and then

00:43:43Guest:we would find a spot in the center of the town, like an underpass, or a car park, or sometimes we did it on the beach, and then we would set up a backdrop, and we'd get loads of teenagers and do a show for them, and then just piss off again.

00:43:57Marc:So you'd draw a bunch of people to a bad neighborhood.

00:44:00Guest:Yeah.

00:44:02Guest:And then we'd leave them there.

00:44:03Guest:Just get back in the van, sort it out, guys.

00:44:06Marc:Thanks for helping out.

00:44:07Marc:Hope you can get home.

00:44:08Marc:Sorry, I hope the train's still running.

00:44:11Marc:Well, that sounds great.

00:44:12Marc:And you're touring a lot all over the world.

00:44:15Marc:All your international acts go all over the place.

00:44:17Marc:I don't go anywhere.

00:44:18Guest:It's because there's nothing much going on where we are, so we've got to get out.

00:44:21Marc:No, but it seems like if you hang around England and you're pretty funny, they'll give you a TV show.

00:44:25Guest:Oh, no.

00:44:25Guest:What does that say about me?

00:44:26Guest:I've been doing it for fucking years.

00:44:28Marc:You've never had a TV show yet?

00:44:29Guest:No.

00:44:29Marc:Oh, it's going to happen.

00:44:31Marc:I think from this podcast you're going to get a TV show.

00:44:34Guest:What will it be called?

00:44:35Marc:It will be called The Angry Crush.

00:44:39LAUGHTER

00:44:39Marc:Is that what you call that?

00:44:41Marc:Yeah.

00:44:42Marc:Well, I appreciate your anger, and I felt like it was very exciting to see some of that.

00:44:47Marc:Because look at Neil, look at me.

00:44:48Marc:We definitely engage in anger in our comedy, but we don't hide it.

00:44:53Marc:It's right out in the open, right?

00:44:55Guest:But that's been something I've been trying to write about recently, how uncomfortable I'm doing that and trying to... Especially if you're doing stuff that's specifically saying, I hate the Conservatives and I hate what they're doing.

00:45:07Guest:And then people actually react to it.

00:45:08Guest:They're furious.

00:45:09Guest:That's quite new for me.

00:45:10Guest:I've not really done it before.

00:45:12Marc:So you're feeling power.

00:45:13Marc:That's a great start.

00:45:14Guest:I feel weird.

00:45:15Guest:I feel kind of sad.

00:45:16Guest:Often I've had to have people remonstrate with me after a show and I end up just apologising loads and being like, I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to upset you.

00:45:23Guest:It's supposed to be comedy.

00:45:24Woo!

00:45:24Marc:No, and then they're like, no, it's good.

00:45:26Guest:You should meet us.

00:45:30Marc:I love that.

00:45:31Marc:You know, the aggression of sort of like, isn't it fucked?

00:45:33Marc:I'm sorry.

00:45:34Marc:That was out of hand.

00:45:34Marc:I didn't mean to.

00:45:36Marc:I apologize.

00:45:37Guest:That's exactly what it's like.

00:45:38Marc:Well, thanks for coming, Josie.

00:45:39Marc:Hang out.

00:45:40Marc:It's Josie Long, ladies and gentlemen.

00:45:45Marc:Let's check in with Jessica's travels.

00:45:49Marc:I assume she's in the air now, but what we missed while we were talking was, on plane, taking off soon, love the shit out of you, five exclamation points.

00:45:59Marc:And then the next text was, everyone hates slash is jealous of my pizza.

00:46:08Marc:She's a lively one.

00:46:09Marc:All right.

00:46:11Marc:Now, it's my pleasure now that what's going to happen in the second half of the show is all Mr. Show related.

00:46:15Marc:And I have a tremendous amount of history with all these guys.

00:46:18Marc:The first guy I'm going to bring out was a regular cast member on Mr. Show and also a very talented actor and improviser and funny man of all sorts.

00:46:26Marc:Please welcome John Ennis to the stage.

00:46:32Marc:John Ennis.

00:46:34Marc:Do you guys remember him from the show, right?

00:46:36Marc:Yeah.

00:46:38Marc:Yeah, sit wherever you want.

00:46:39Marc:Grab a mic.

00:46:40Marc:We can spread it out.

00:46:41Marc:I knew John.

00:46:42Marc:Jesus Christ, this is old home week here.

00:46:45Marc:When did I meet you?

00:46:46Marc:I met you in Boston, right?

00:46:48Marc:1988.

00:46:51Marc:And at that time, you were like, I think you were fun.

00:46:53Marc:I met you before that, though.

00:46:55Marc:Okay, let's go all the way to the beginning.

00:46:56Marc:Let me not get awkward around this.

00:46:58Guest:This is scary, but let's do it.

00:46:59Marc:Okay.

00:46:59Marc:I was going out with a girl named Sarah.

00:47:01Guest:Yeah.

00:47:02Marc:Right.

00:47:03Marc:And she tried to run away from me.

00:47:05Guest:Yes.

00:47:06Yes.

00:47:07Marc:And she ran away to summer school in Los Angeles and I was in Boston.

00:47:11Guest:And Dave Cross and I were staying at a frat house.

00:47:13Guest:Yeah.

00:47:14Guest:Where it's the only frat house in Los Angeles at the time where you could pay $100 for a room.

00:47:19Guest:And it was like, you know, stable showers kind of thing.

00:47:22Marc:You didn't have to have any affiliation with the school.

00:47:24Guest:You didn't have to get your credit checked or anything like that.

00:47:26Marc:And you and Dave are our best friends at this point.

00:47:29Guest:Yes.

00:47:29Guest:So we traveled across the country together in a car and landed in like somebody's, one of those basements you can pull in and sleep because it's cool.

00:47:36Guest:Yeah.

00:47:36Guest:And we had, like, towels rolled up in the windows.

00:47:38Guest:Oh, man.

00:47:39Guest:Yeah, it was great.

00:47:40Guest:And then we found, we were actually in someone else's car, too.

00:47:43Guest:We were in Paul Clay, a comedian.

00:47:44Guest:We were in his car.

00:47:45Marc:So you were in a borrowed car driving across the country.

00:47:47Guest:He went on the road for stand-up, and we were like, hey, can we borrow your car while you're gone?

00:47:50Marc:Yeah.

00:47:50Guest:And he's like, oh, yeah, you need it for running around?

00:47:52Guest:Well, we're going to live in it.

00:47:55Guest:So we were living in his car, basically, while we looked for a place, but not that hard, because it was a comfortable car.

00:48:00Guest:And we even pulled in once to a place that was a model home.

00:48:06Guest:Yeah, I swear to God.

00:48:07Guest:So they were showing one of the places, and the rest of them were empty, but we stole everything out of the place that was full.

00:48:15Guest:And then sold it to a guy to let us sleep at his house for a couple nights.

00:48:22Guest:It wasn't really sold.

00:48:22Guest:It was like a trade and barter thing.

00:48:24Guest:But we literally sat in the car and we were like, let's drink this Foster's and then we'll go take all that shit.

00:48:32Yeah.

00:48:33Guest:Because the place is open and we have nothing.

00:48:35Guest:And most of it, if we roll up the rug, we could put it between the seats.

00:48:40Guest:We could put the bureau thing, but everything was like made of shit because it was a model home.

00:48:45Guest:Right.

00:48:45Guest:So none of this stuff was actually something that was worth anything to anyone.

00:48:49Guest:And even the guy we gave it to was like, yeah, you can leave it here.

00:48:54Guest:But, I mean, how many nights are you guys really planning on staying here?

00:48:57Guest:Kevin Townsend, I know, is the guy whose house we lived in for a couple days.

00:49:04Guest:And his roommate kept, he hated us.

00:49:07Guest:Not just for leaving the shitty stuff, but he was just like, you guys are so good.

00:49:10Guest:And he would just say that to us no matter what we said.

00:49:13Guest:And we realized this isn't going well.

00:49:15Guest:He said it with hostility.

00:49:16Guest:Yeah, but we moved into this frat house because it was $100 for a room, and strangely, so did your ex-girlfriend, or your girlfriend at the time.

00:49:24Marc:Right, my girlfriend Sarah, who was my first real girlfriend, and in retrospect, that was her first attempt to get as far away from me as possible.

00:49:31Marc:I was impossible to break up with because I was a jealous fuck.

00:49:34Guest:But you were sweet.

00:49:36Guest:This is a very sweet Marc Maron.

00:49:37Guest:Really?

00:49:38Guest:Yeah.

00:49:39Guest:Very sweet young man.

00:49:40Guest:But before I got out there, you were answering the phone there, right?

00:49:42Guest:Well, it was a pay phone.

00:49:44Guest:And the phone would ring and ring and ring.

00:49:49Guest:And I'd be like, I'm just going to fucking get that.

00:49:52Guest:What the fuck?

00:49:52Guest:And I'd answer, hey, man, is my girlfriend in a room?

00:49:56Yeah.

00:49:58Guest:What?

00:49:59Guest:Who is this?

00:50:00Guest:That's Mark, man.

00:50:01Guest:What's up?

00:50:01Guest:Is my girlfriend... Will you go just check in room seven and see if she's there?

00:50:05Guest:And if she's not there, is she with a guy?

00:50:06Guest:I don't know, man.

00:50:09Guest:I'll look, and I'll be like... Mark, there's no one in the room.

00:50:16Guest:I don't think she's with a guy.

00:50:17Guest:You're good.

00:50:17Guest:There's no one in the room, though.

00:50:19Guest:All right.

00:50:20Guest:I'm going to call back in about 20 minutes.

00:50:23Okay.

00:50:28Guest:Okay, cool.

00:50:32Guest:All right.

00:50:33Guest:And her sister, Melissa, and I became really close friends, whom I loved dearly.

00:50:37Guest:A wonderful person.

00:50:39Guest:Really loved her.

00:50:39Guest:And I became friends with your girlfriend, too.

00:50:41Guest:And Mark showed up, swear to God, with a guitar and love songs.

00:50:48Guest:I swear to God.

00:50:50Guest:And he sang them.

00:50:53Guest:For her.

00:50:54Guest:In front of you?

00:50:55Guest:Not necessarily, but I heard them.

00:50:59Guest:But I remember it was like a group shower thing because there's all these guys that stayed in the frat house.

00:51:04Guest:And I remember you going like, so does other people go in there and shower?

00:51:07Guest:Or is it just like the girls get to go in there and shower?

00:51:10Guest:Yeah, Mark, don't worry.

00:51:11Guest:It's cool.

00:51:12Guest:Everything's great here at the frat house.

00:51:13Marc:I thought it was some sort of fuck party.

00:51:15Marc:As soon as I got away, Sarah was just like, who wants to fuck me in the shower?

00:51:20Guest:She loved Mark.

00:51:21Guest:That was the truth.

00:51:21Guest:She wasn't messing around.

00:51:22Guest:She was talking to Mark.

00:51:23Guest:She loved Mark.

00:51:24Guest:That's true.

00:51:25Guest:I wish I believed that.

00:51:26Guest:I'm not still protecting Sarah from 30 years ago, 20 years ago, from 10 years ago.

00:51:33LAUGHTER

00:51:34Guest:Wait a minute.

00:51:36Guest:Can I do the math on that?

00:51:37Guest:Yeah, go ahead.

00:51:37Guest:It's going to be more than 10, though.

00:51:39Guest:All right.

00:51:40Guest:But I had a bad thing happen where I had my ear was fucked up at UCLA, and I had like a, this is when you arrived, but not because of you.

00:51:49Guest:But I remember I had to go to UCLA medical school, and I didn't have any money.

00:51:53Guest:And David and I, he would work, and every Friday we would get Fatburger, and he'd bring home a bottle of whiskey and go like, right?

00:51:59Yeah.

00:52:00Guest:Fucking living the dream, right?

00:52:03Guest:Are you shitting me?

00:52:04Guest:This is ours.

00:52:07Guest:And I had worked a lot in my life and decided I didn't want to do that anymore.

00:52:13Guest:But we would wake up to what we called our evening meal when all the frat guys had finally fallen asleep and make macaroni for free in the kitchen.

00:52:21Guest:Our room was off the kitchen.

00:52:22Guest:But it was literally like, is it boiling?

00:52:26Guest:Yeah, it's boiling.

00:52:26Guest:Go ahead.

00:52:26Guest:Put it in.

00:52:27Guest:Let's go.

00:52:28Guest:And we would make these meals and everything.

00:52:29Guest:But I went to UCLA medical school.

00:52:32Guest:And they were like, so you've got something in your ear.

00:52:34Guest:It's like, you need to get this taken out because it's getting swollen.

00:52:37Guest:You're not going to get your balances off because of this.

00:52:38Guest:And I was like, oh, cool.

00:52:39Guest:And they're like, what's your name?

00:52:40Guest:I was like, Stephen Webber.

00:52:42Guest:I'm like, what?

00:52:43Guest:Steven.

00:52:44Guest:Steven what?

00:52:45Guest:Steven Weber.

00:52:47Guest:I'm like, okay.

00:52:48Guest:And they took it out and I ran.

00:52:49Guest:I never went back to pay the bill until just this past week.

00:52:58Guest:Come on.

00:52:59Guest:No, I didn't pay that.

00:53:00Marc:You never pay the bill.

00:53:02Marc:But then, like, there was this, like, before Mr. Show, I mean, this goes back to, like, 1988.

00:53:06Marc:And I remember seeing you guys when I came out with my fucking guitar.

00:53:10Marc:These guys, him and Dave, were so fucking funny.

00:53:14Marc:And I don't think I'd really started to do comedy.

00:53:16Marc:So I come out with my guitar thinking I'm like Mr. Funny Guy, and then you guys literally took the guitar, improvised some fucking amazing show.

00:53:23Marc:Sarah's hysterical.

00:53:25Marc:Her sister's hysterical.

00:53:26Marc:I'm sitting there going, oh, this is fucking ridiculous.

00:53:29Marc:How can I compete with this shit?

00:53:32Marc:You were funny.

00:53:32Marc:Yeah, eventually Sarah had to move to France to get away from me, and I couldn't call her there.

00:53:36Marc:It was very hard to call her.

00:53:37Marc:That was a bad time.

00:53:39Marc:It's serious.

00:53:40Marc:She left, she moved to Europe, and I would call up, and dudes would answer.

00:53:44Marc:Yeah.

00:53:46Marc:You're like, could you go check her room?

00:53:49Marc:That did a French accent.

00:53:50Guest:Oh, I'm in her room.

00:53:51Guest:Yeah.

00:53:53Marc:Oh.

00:53:53Marc:She's okay.

00:53:53Marc:We're still friends.

00:53:54Marc:It worked out.

00:53:55Marc:But let's get to that point where you're in Boston.

00:53:58Marc:Because this is what I remember.

00:53:59Marc:We played softball.

00:54:00Marc:We were all hanging out.

00:54:01Marc:But John used to have, like, you were some sort of, like, weird hippie Manson theater guy.

00:54:07Marc:You used to live in a loft, and you had all these people that lived with you, in my recollection of it.

00:54:12Guest:I still do this.

00:54:12Marc:You had long hair and a beard, and it was some sort of weird communal vibe to it.

00:54:17Guest:It was the flurby human theater.

00:54:19Marc:Yes, of course.

00:54:20Guest:We only cast people that had something really wrong with them.

00:54:25Guest:It's a good way to build.

00:54:26Marc:The Flurby Humans, that's right.

00:54:27Guest:David was in it.

00:54:28Marc:Was he?

00:54:28Guest:Yeah.

00:54:29Marc:But I just always remember going down there.

00:54:31Guest:This was right before Cross Comedy, which was what we did.

00:54:33Marc:Which was what started with Mr. Show.

00:54:34Marc:But I remember always going down to that loft, and it was always you with three beautiful girls hanging around, and there was reefer smoke, and just sort of this environment where I'm like, this guy's got it fucking figured out.

00:54:45Guest:We had a four-foot bong.

00:54:47Guest:And we called it the Boo Man Tongue.

00:54:51Guest:Because you couldn't smoke it by yourself.

00:54:54Guest:You had to suck it up.

00:54:54Guest:It was a two-man bong.

00:54:55Guest:You had to like, until one day we got there and there's a guy with a coat hanger with a match on the end of it going like, huh?

00:55:04Guest:Who's fucking smartest guy here?

00:55:12Guest:To this day, he is the smartest guy I know.

00:55:19Guest:That's true.

00:55:21Guest:But we had a basketball hoop that was like only six feet off the ground.

00:55:26Guest:And one of those little basketballs because we were inside.

00:55:28Guest:Yeah.

00:55:28Guest:And we would rehearse and rehearse and rehearse these comedy shows with Carrie Prusa was the director of it.

00:55:33Guest:David was in the group.

00:55:35Guest:This guy, Wally Kemp, who's a genius from Emerson.

00:55:38Guest:And we were in comedy groups at Emerson College.

00:55:42Guest:And now this was both groups gotten out of college, realized, oh, those were going to be the best days of our life.

00:55:48Guest:back in college.

00:55:50Guest:Like, now what are we going to do?

00:55:51Guest:We better find a group of people that care about us.

00:55:53Guest:And it was a group of bike messengers.

00:55:55Guest:And David wrote a bit about law firms where people had to wear two ties to deliver for the law firms because he was making fun of the fact that these people were just such assholes.

00:56:06Guest:And so everyone at the firm had to wear two ties.

00:56:08Guest:You had to wear two ties.

00:56:09Guest:It was like...

00:56:10Guest:But it was only bike messengers that would come to our shows.

00:56:13Guest:It was nobody else.

00:56:14Guest:And so we would charge five bucks.

00:56:17Guest:It would be all the keg beer you could drink.

00:56:19Guest:If the police came, we would have the elevator go down with the beer in it and just have cups around and go like, oh, no, the beer's gone, man.

00:56:25Guest:We're almost done here.

00:56:26Guest:Could you guys just be cool?

00:56:29Guest:And we would do these comedy shows in that loft.

00:56:32Marc:Where'd you grow up, though, in Massachusetts?

00:56:34Marc:Because you got that accent.

00:56:36Marc:Yeah, fuck you.

00:56:38Guest:Whatever.

00:56:38Marc:You're, like, one of the best ones.

00:56:40Marc:Aren't you doing Danny Gould's podcast?

00:56:41Marc:I am.

00:56:42Guest:I'm doing Danny.

00:56:43Guest:I'm playing two political guys from Boston.

00:56:44Marc:That's hilarious.

00:56:45Guest:He's Robbie Sullivan, which is a kid I grew up with.

00:56:47Marc:Robbie.

00:56:48Marc:Did you grow up right in Boston?

00:56:49Guest:I grew up in Needham, Walsley, Massachusetts.

00:56:52Marc:It's such a difficult accent.

00:56:55Guest:Yeah, it's not really hard if you're a fucking Sox fan.

00:57:00Guest:I went to the Bruins game with my dad when I was really young.

00:57:03Guest:There was a guy yelling, you're an asshole.

00:57:05Guest:You suck.

00:57:05Guest:You can't skate.

00:57:06Guest:You're a dumb prick.

00:57:07Guest:You bastard.

00:57:08Guest:And then a few weeks later, we went to the game again, but different seats.

00:57:11Guest:And I hear it again.

00:57:12Guest:You dumb bastard.

00:57:13Guest:You're a fucking asshole.

00:57:14Guest:And I'm like, dad, we're in different seats.

00:57:15Guest:I can't believe that same guy's behind him.

00:57:16Guest:He's like, John, they're everywhere.

00:57:21Guest:That's not one guy.

00:57:24Marc:So, all right.

00:57:27Marc:So, should we bring the other guys up and do the Mr. Show thing?

00:57:29Marc:Absolutely.

00:57:30Marc:I'll move now.

00:57:31Marc:Yeah, we can all switch up and see what happens.

00:57:34Marc:Please welcome to the stage Dave Cross and Bob Odenkirk.

00:57:47Marc:No, you don't sit on this side, Bob.

00:57:48Marc:You sit.

00:57:48Marc:We can...

00:57:50Marc:Yeah, if you could all sit as far away from me as possible, that would be great.

00:57:54Guest:Okay, seems kind of rude to the cupcakes.

00:57:56Marc:Yeah, have a cupcake.

00:57:57Marc:Have anything you want here.

00:57:58Marc:I'd smoke salmon.

00:57:59Guest:I'm vegan.

00:58:00Guest:You're vegan.

00:58:00Guest:You are not.

00:58:02Guest:I just said that because of what you said before.

00:58:05Marc:Hang on.

00:58:06Guest:Hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:58:06Guest:Hello.

00:58:07Guest:Hey, how's it going?

00:58:08Guest:Hey, what's up, everybody?

00:58:10Guest:I'm good.

00:58:11Guest:Hey, how's it going?

00:58:13All right, so... I don't take this one off.

00:58:15Marc:Anyone you want, Dave.

00:58:18Guest:This one sounds funnier.

00:58:22Marc:Before we get into anything, I would like to share a moment that was one of the best moments that I've had recently, and I'm sure it's going to be one of those things that I bring up with you, Dave, and you're going to go...

00:58:31Marc:I don't know why.

00:58:34Marc:Yesterday?

00:58:35Marc:Yeah.

00:58:35Marc:Remember you came and then the woman at the festival said, are you going to do any stand-up?

00:58:39Marc:And you're like, no, I'm not going to.

00:58:41Marc:I don't want to do any stand-up.

00:58:42Marc:And then we go up in the elevator together.

00:58:44Marc:We have some weird time just talking.

00:58:47Guest:That's all in your head.

00:58:48Guest:Okay.

00:58:50Marc:no it wasn't weird we were just talking right and then like it was this amazing transition he's getting off the elevator and he's like oh I gotta tell you about this there was one of those dogs you know an assistant dog at the airport but your face lit up I mean you were thrilled to be sharing the experience and you were like it just had diarrhea all over everything and the look on your face it just made me say are you sure you don't want to do a set tonight yeah what happened with that

00:59:17Guest:With the dog?

00:59:18Guest:Yeah.

00:59:19Guest:A guy had one of those guide dogs, and they have the red-orange vest on, so you know that it's allowed in the airport, allowed on a plane.

00:59:27Guest:And the guy was walking.

00:59:29Guest:He wasn't blind, but he had some problem that he needed the dog for.

00:59:32Guest:And the dog, I mean, it's, you know, the poor dog.

00:59:36Guest:It's at the gate, and it just fucking, like, exploded.

00:59:42Guest:20% of the dog exploded.

00:59:44Guest:And...

00:59:45Guest:And, you know, I have a dog, and you know that thing where the dog goes, right?

00:59:53Guest:So it's like... He's trying to do it, and it just stops.

01:00:00And then it's like...

01:00:02Guest:You know, it is one of those things where... I mean, a dog shitting in the park isn't funny, but a dog shitting at the gate at the airport where everybody's going, Oh, man!

01:00:17Guest:And it stunk, and the airport people weren't very friendly with them.

01:00:24Guest:And it's...

01:00:24Guest:It's a bummer.

01:00:24Guest:They have high-stress jobs, but it's not his fault.

01:00:28Guest:It's not the dog's fault.

01:00:30Guest:It happens.

01:00:31Guest:It's the diarrhea's fault.

01:00:34Guest:He shouldn't have had all that diarrhea.

01:00:37Guest:That's what happens when you feed your dog diarrhea.

01:00:41Guest:Nice job.

01:00:44Guest:It was funny and awful and embarrassing.

01:00:48Guest:You're embarrassed for the guy, and they made him clean it up.

01:00:50Guest:They made him clean it up?

01:00:52Guest:Yeah.

01:00:53Guest:They were angry with him, yeah.

01:00:55Guest:Yeah, and they made him put the dog down there in front of him.

01:01:04Guest:With his hands.

01:01:05Guest:They made him strangled.

01:01:07Guest:It was like I Am Legend.

01:01:10Boom.

01:01:11Marc:And then the guy, he could never get out of the airport because he needed the dog's help.

01:01:16Marc:He's still there.

01:01:17Guest:He's still there.

01:01:18Guest:It was really... He's calling right now for his dog.

01:01:24Guest:Diarrhea!

01:01:25Guest:Where are you?

01:01:26Guest:Diarrhea!

01:01:27Guest:It was a bummer, and I think if you didn't have the smell aspect to it, it really did bump people up.

01:01:36Guest:People were like, oh, man, and it stunk, you had to stay there.

01:01:38Guest:And it really did fill up the area.

01:01:42Guest:But also it's comical when, as I said before, in that setting when a dog is taking a shit.

01:01:49Guest:Normally it's not funny.

01:01:50Guest:You don't look at a dog taking a shit going, oh, man.

01:01:54Guest:I'll always laugh at that.

01:01:56Guest:But in an airport where it just puts on the brakes and the guy's, what are you doing?

01:02:00Guest:Come on.

01:02:01Guest:Come on, nightmare.

01:02:01Guest:Let's go.

01:02:06Yeah.

01:02:06Guest:Oh, God, I'm so glad you did that.

01:02:10Marc:That was so fucking great.

01:02:13Marc:How often do you guys get together, seriously?

01:02:15Marc:I mean, is this like when this happened, were you like, oh, man, do we have to pull out our pencils again and write things down?

01:02:21Guest:That's how long we've been working together.

01:02:26Guest:We started with pencils back in the 30s.

01:02:32Marc:And a manual typewriter.

01:02:34Guest:No, it's been... It's weird.

01:02:38Guest:It doesn't... It's like every four years or so, it seems.

01:02:43Guest:We work together all the time.

01:02:44Guest:We talk all the time and stuff.

01:02:47Guest:But I guess we don't work together that much.

01:02:49Guest:But as far as doing what we're doing tomorrow, we don't do that often.

01:02:52Guest:Yeah, right.

01:02:52Guest:So it's been years.

01:02:53Guest:I don't know.

01:02:54Guest:When was the last time?

01:02:55Guest:I think Chicago.

01:02:56Guest:Well, that was like two years ago we did a show in Chicago, right?

01:03:00Guest:Oh, it was longer than that.

01:03:01Guest:It was longer than that.

01:03:01Guest:Yeah.

01:03:02Guest:Whatever.

01:03:02Guest:I don't know.

01:03:05Guest:Do you have fun, Bob?

01:03:06Guest:Are you having fun?

01:03:07Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:03:07Guest:We have a great time.

01:03:08Guest:We did a show for HBO.

01:03:09Guest:We did a pilot for HBO like three years ago.

01:03:12Guest:What was that?

01:03:13Guest:It was called David's Situation, and David played himself in a – we had the set from Everybody Loves Raymond.

01:03:20Guest:Yeah.

01:03:21Guest:And he lived there, not in the set, but in a house, a suburban house, with a hippie and a tea party guy.

01:03:33Guest:And then it had, like, stand-up in it.

01:03:35Guest:Like, he did stand-up in it.

01:03:36Guest:And there's, like, this little kid neighbor who he watched and took care of and talked to about life.

01:03:40Guest:Very sitcom trope, you know.

01:03:42Guest:Yeah, and it was really fun.

01:03:44Guest:Yeah.

01:03:46Guest:Who did I play?

01:03:47Guest:I played a child molester.

01:03:49Guest:And I got there and I swear to God, they were like, what happened to the weight?

01:03:56Guest:You were our fat guy.

01:03:57Guest:What'd you do?

01:03:59Guest:So I wore a fat suit.

01:04:00Guest:I swear to God, I played a child molester.

01:04:02Guest:In a fat suit?

01:04:03Guest:Yeah, and I showed up with condoms.

01:04:05Guest:Right?

01:04:06Guest:And a hamburger.

01:04:07Marc:And a hamburger.

01:04:11Marc:Oh, I have no idea why this didn't go.

01:04:13Guest:It was really funny.

01:04:14Marc:But was the conceit that it was actually at the Raymond House, or you just took advantage of the set?

01:04:18Guest:No, but it was the Raymond House.

01:04:19Guest:I mean, you could tell, because it was the same thing.

01:04:21Guest:You know, it was really funny.

01:04:25Guest:It played really well.

01:04:26Guest:The audience loved it.

01:04:27Guest:And then we were just talking about it backstage.

01:04:31Guest:When you watched it, you know, on tape or whatever, cut together...

01:04:35Guest:It was just kind of flat.

01:04:36Guest:It felt like it didn't have the energy that it had.

01:04:39Guest:And I think it was just a matter of like... Like when David did stand-up and you were there that night, you could tell he was just talking to you.

01:04:46Guest:He walked off the set and all.

01:04:48Guest:And even though you could see that on the final product, you could see that he walked off the set and was talking to the audience, it feels canned right away.

01:04:55Guest:It doesn't feel like...

01:04:57Guest:it just didn't translate that well that sitcom set sucks the fucking laughter out of everything like it's just the format we we tried so many different ways to cut it together too because we all walked out of there uh i mean hbo ourselves like oh my god this is gonna be great it's amazing and it just didn't translate we got the first cut from which is always rough always yeah and i mean it was there was nothing there and and then bob and i went in and we tried all these different ways well

01:05:22Guest:what if we cut out the opening?

01:05:23Guest:What if we include the part where you're talking to the audience before that wasn't meant to be on there about what to watch?

01:05:30Guest:Or what if we take this out?

01:05:31Guest:What if we move this out?

01:05:32Guest:It just never worked.

01:05:33Guest:It just felt flat?

01:05:34Guest:Yeah, kind of flat.

01:05:35Guest:And it didn't have that energy.

01:05:37Guest:But one of the other things is I was there, but I wasn't in the show.

01:05:42Guest:So when David and I said hi at the beginning and at the end, the audience went crazy and it had so much energy.

01:05:47Guest:And then it was... Maybe it felt a little like, well, what are you...

01:05:51Guest:What are you fucking standing over there?

01:05:52Guest:Get it?

01:05:53Guest:Run to the camera.

01:05:54Guest:Do the show.

01:05:56Guest:Not me not being in it.

01:05:57Guest:It might have been just like it didn't feel like energetic.

01:06:00Guest:I think you're flattering yourself.

01:06:02Guest:I'm not sure that that's me.

01:06:04Guest:This is my partner.

01:06:06Marc:This is my friend here.

01:06:08Guest:I'm going to eat these six cupcakes.

01:06:10Marc:Do it.

01:06:11Marc:Eat them all.

01:06:11Marc:I offered one to your daughter, and she was like, no.

01:06:14Guest:I don't know.

01:06:15Guest:It didn't work.

01:06:16Marc:But we had fun.

01:06:17Marc:But the whole dynamic between you two, because I've interviewed you both, and I've never really hung out too much with the two of you together.

01:06:24Marc:But the whole dynamic with the two of you, how did that fucking start?

01:06:27Marc:Because I know you both wrote on Stiller, but it was one of those things.

01:06:30Marc:You couldn't have liked each other.

01:06:32Guest:The first meeting was awesome.

01:06:34Guest:The first meeting was awesome.

01:06:35Guest:Should I tell it?

01:06:35Guest:Yeah, yeah, no.

01:06:36Guest:It's kind of better if you tell it.

01:06:38Guest:What?

01:06:38Guest:No, I like hearing it because you know both.

01:06:42Guest:So I knew Janine Garofalo, and she was a friend.

01:06:46Guest:And I lived in a kind of crappy little house out in L.A.

01:06:50Guest:after writing for SNL.

01:06:53Guest:And I do remember this.

01:06:57Guest:I was...

01:06:58Guest:Sitting there in my front room and watching TV and I had a sandwich.

01:07:04Guest:I'd made this sandwich.

01:07:07Guest:And I like to eat.

01:07:07Guest:That was one of your top ten sandwiches, let's be honest.

01:07:10Guest:David, I... At the time.

01:07:13Guest:Please keep that in mind.

01:07:14Guest:Please keep that in mind.

01:07:15Guest:I know, I know.

01:07:16Guest:It was a particularly good sandwich.

01:07:17Guest:I end up defending you a lot in this story.

01:07:20Guest:And no, the sandwich doesn't get its due diligence.

01:07:24Guest:No, it was an awesome sandwich.

01:07:25Guest:And there was a knock on my door.

01:07:28Guest:and I said, open it, and the door opened, and there was Janine Garofalo outside the screen, and there was a young fellow I didn't know.

01:07:36Guest:With a basketball.

01:07:37Guest:With a basketball, but a grown man.

01:07:39Guest:Let me just interject one thing, because from my side, I was in L.A., I was kind of bored, I was a little...

01:07:45Guest:intimidated by it, and I didn't know what to do, and I wanted to play basketball, and Janine's like, oh, I've got a friend, this guy I was telling you about, he's really funny, he's a really great guy, Bob Odenkirk, you're gonna love him, but he plays basketball, I'm sure he'll want to play basketball with you.

01:08:01Guest:Cool, so that's it.

01:08:03Guest:So I'm with my basketball.

01:08:04Guest:So they are at the door.

01:08:07Guest:And I'm not 12.

01:08:08Guest:I'm in my late 20s at this point, I think, or early 30s.

01:08:14Guest:And I see her, and I see this guy, and she goes, Hey, Bob.

01:08:18Guest:Hey, Janine.

01:08:20Guest:Hey, my friend David's here from Boston.

01:08:23Guest:I know you play basketball.

01:08:25Guest:He wants to play.

01:08:26Guest:Do you guys want to play?

01:08:28What?

01:08:28Guest:And I go, nah, I'm going to eat lunch.

01:08:31Guest:But also your back was to us.

01:08:35Guest:You were in a chair.

01:08:35Guest:I remember it very well.

01:08:37Guest:The TV was over here, and you were over there.

01:08:40Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:08:42Guest:Huh?

01:08:42Guest:No.

01:08:42Guest:I'm going to eat lunch.

01:08:43Guest:Didn't even get out of the chair.

01:08:45Guest:Hey, Jeannie.

01:08:46Guest:Hey.

01:08:48Guest:No, no.

01:08:50Guest:Like through a screen door.

01:08:51Guest:Did you walk to my house from Janine's?

01:08:55Guest:Yeah, it was only a couple blocks.

01:08:55Guest:Well, it was like four.

01:08:56Guest:Still, that's a walk.

01:08:57Guest:I mean, he had to walk like four or five blocks.

01:08:59Guest:So you're standing out there just... That was the first meeting.

01:09:02Guest:You left, though?

01:09:03Guest:You just... Yeah, I left.

01:09:04Marc:What am I supposed to do?

01:09:05Guest:You're supposed to say, come on!

01:09:09Guest:No, they walked away.

01:09:10Guest:I mean, I shut people down pretty good.

01:09:12Marc:I'm pretty good at that.

01:09:13Marc:Get out of the chair.

01:09:15Guest:So there you go.

01:09:18Guest:So then, okay.

01:09:19Guest:So then, what was it, like six months later, a year later, you got hired as a writer at the Stiller show.

01:09:26Guest:And then, you know, David came later to the show.

01:09:30Guest:We'd been writing for months and even shot the show.

01:09:33Guest:Yeah, yeah, you guys were in the middle of it.

01:09:36Marc:So who was on that crew?

01:09:37Marc:Huh?

01:09:38Marc:On the show with you.

01:09:39Marc:Who was the writer?

01:09:40Marc:Yeah, who was everybody.

01:09:40Marc:It was you.

01:09:41Guest:Well, Jeff Kahn, Rob Cohen, Judd Apatow was producer, Dino Stamatopoulos.

01:09:48Guest:Brent Forrester.

01:09:48Guest:Brent Forrester, great writer.

01:09:50Guest:And we had a great time.

01:09:52Guest:That show was a lot of fun.

01:09:54Guest:So Dave was like a new guy.

01:09:56Guest:Yeah, he was like a new guy, Janine's friend who's going to write.

01:09:58Guest:He came in, and he wanted to fit in, right?

01:10:01Guest:So he wanted to do – you know, David usually doesn't care about pleasing anyone, but I think in this case he was like, oh, my God, I got a fucking job.

01:10:10Guest:It was really intimidating.

01:10:11Guest:I'd never been, it was really, really, and it was thrown into the fire, too.

01:10:16Guest:I'd never written on TV.

01:10:18Guest:I was in Boston.

01:10:19Guest:I was at the place that John's describing 48 hours before getting there.

01:10:24Guest:I was at a loft space.

01:10:27Guest:Two and four foot bongs.

01:10:28Guest:Yeah, and, you know, morphine's playing, and, you know, it's three in the morning, and everybody's getting fucked up, and I'm doing pure comedy in my head.

01:10:37Guest:Like, fuck TV, man.

01:10:39Guest:Hollywood's bullshit.

01:10:41Guest:But also living in this roach-infested apartment with no heat.

01:10:46Marc:Yeah, sometimes.

01:10:47Guest:Where we put the oven on.

01:10:48Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:10:48Marc:All four burners, yeah.

01:10:50Guest:And, you know, I was like, I got this opportunity to go write on The Ben Stiller Show, and I wasn't a huge...

01:10:56Guest:fan I just didn't I wasn't a big parody yeah yeah and and it was you know really intimidated yeah so you so what was the thing you wrote a piece they asked you to write and then I kind of you made me write it no

01:11:13Guest:No, here's what we did.

01:11:14Guest:Here was my first thing.

01:11:16Guest:I'd probably been there for about two days at this point.

01:11:19Guest:And really, not just trying to fit in with all these new people who were, as Bob said, in the middle of it.

01:11:24Guest:At that point, they were shooting already and producing.

01:11:29Guest:And it's a machine, and it's going.

01:11:31Guest:And I don't know how TV works.

01:11:32Guest:I don't know anything about Hollywood.

01:11:34Guest:I have my own stupid kind of, you know, behavior.

01:11:37Guest:anarchist fucking bike messenger fuck this bullshit you know but stupid in my head which I look back on it's embarrassing it's humiliating but that's where I was and and and then we had a meeting because Ben wanted to do a takeoff on a few good men because he had a Tom Cruise obsession and he wanted to do anything he just wanted to be in be dress up as Tom Cruise and do that so we're all in this conference room

01:12:06Guest:And they're like, what can it be?

01:12:08Guest:And I barely know anybody, and they're throwing out all these ideas.

01:12:13Guest:And then I piped up, and I don't give a shit about this idea or a movie or doing a parody of A Few Good Men.

01:12:19Guest:Who gives a shit?

01:12:21Guest:And I was like, oh, what if it's just like...

01:12:24Guest:bring it down and just make it, instead of the army, make it like Boy Scouts.

01:12:28Guest:It's still the drama, but it's all about Boy Scouts or something.

01:12:32Guest:And Bob, they started liking it.

01:12:35Guest:Oh, yeah, that's interesting.

01:12:36Guest:Bob got, like, that's great.

01:12:39Guest:Why don't you write it up?

01:12:40Guest:Yeah, good.

01:12:41Guest:And I know he was fucking with me.

01:12:42Guest:You knew what you were doing.

01:12:44Guest:You absolutely knew what you were doing.

01:12:45Guest:I was like...

01:12:46Guest:Whatever, write some shit.

01:12:48Guest:Whatever first idea that anybody wants to write, that's just so bad.

01:12:53Guest:Just do it.

01:12:54Guest:Okay, then you like it so much, you're a great idea.

01:12:57Guest:Go write that.

01:12:58Guest:So you weren't fucking with him?

01:13:00Guest:I don't know if that's fucking with him.

01:13:03Guest:It's like...

01:13:04Guest:You also didn't give a shit.

01:13:07Guest:I had my own stuff.

01:13:09Guest:You were just happy to the new guy.

01:13:11Guest:You're like, yeah, great.

01:13:13Guest:Write it up.

01:13:14Guest:Go.

01:13:14Guest:Write it up.

01:13:15Guest:I'm like, what?

01:13:15Guest:No, I don't want to.

01:13:17Guest:You like it so much.

01:13:19Guest:Yeah.

01:13:19Guest:I don't like it so much.

01:13:21Guest:And then that was my first assignment.

01:13:24Guest:But wait a second.

01:13:25Guest:You wrote something that was great.

01:13:28Guest:T.J.

01:13:28Guest:O. Pooter Toots.

01:13:29Guest:Oh, that was great.

01:13:30Guest:And that was really a David sketch.

01:13:33Guest:That was so fucking true.

01:13:34Marc:I love that sketch.

01:13:35Marc:It was really good.

01:13:35Guest:Really well done by Ben and Judd.

01:13:38Guest:They produced it well, which is a big part of making that sketch like that work really well.

01:13:44Guest:And what about the extra?

01:13:45Guest:Remember the extra?

01:13:46Guest:The best extra ever.

01:13:47Guest:Oh, my God.

01:13:48Guest:The best extra ever.

01:13:50Guest:If you ever see the sketch, you can watch for him.

01:13:54Guest:He's an old man.

01:13:54Guest:He sits behind, I think, Janine in the sketch.

01:13:59Marc:It's from the Ben's store, so P.J.O.

01:14:00Marc:2.

01:14:01Guest:So when you're an extra, you're asked to... Oh, no, no.

01:14:05Guest:It's actually Claire and Andy.

01:14:08Guest:Remember?

01:14:09Guest:It was, yeah.

01:14:12Guest:Andy Dick.

01:14:12Guest:Andy Dick is eating.

01:14:14Guest:Oh, with Claire.

01:14:15Guest:With Claire, and then it's behind them, because you guys were waiters.

01:14:18Guest:Okay, back to the story.

01:14:19Guest:So behind them is two people, an old guy and an old woman, and you know you're supposed to just do a version of human behavior.

01:14:27LAUGHTER

01:14:31Guest:Act like a human being would.

01:14:33Guest:That's your job.

01:14:35Guest:You know those people that you see called people?

01:14:41Guest:Do like them.

01:14:42Guest:Anyway.

01:14:44Guest:So they have a plate of food, and the joke is that the meat here is all human meat, okay?

01:14:51Guest:And so it's this restaurant that serves all this meat.

01:14:53Guest:Everybody orders meat, and there's sort of a plate of meat.

01:14:57Guest:Yeah.

01:14:58Guest:So this old man and this old woman, and the old man is totally in the shot.

01:15:02Guest:I mean, totally shooting across the girl, Claire.

01:15:06Guest:He's right there.

01:15:07Guest:And so whenever they call action, he would do the same series of movements.

01:15:13Guest:He would take his cup and toast her and then fake drink it, but far away from his face.

01:15:22Guest:Really far away.

01:15:23Guest:Like this.

01:15:24Right?

01:15:24Guest:And then he would do what anyone would do on a date.

01:15:28Guest:On a decent person, offer it to the person.

01:15:32Guest:Offer your glass to them to drink.

01:15:35Guest:Okay, they don't want it.

01:15:37Guest:Interesting.

01:15:38Guest:Then...

01:15:39Guest:Take your fork, stick it in the biggest piece of meat, hold it, you know, 10 inches from your face, take a fake bite, then offer it to the person you're eating with to bite.

01:15:53Guest:And show them how yummy it is.

01:15:56Guest:A nod about how good it is.

01:16:00Guest:Oh, my God.

01:16:01Guest:All the writers were in the back.

01:16:03Guest:Just, we couldn't get enough.

01:16:05Guest:This guy was the best.

01:16:08Guest:And then they asked him to tone it down.

01:16:11Guest:It didn't help.

01:16:11Guest:And then this started to happen.

01:16:14Guest:Then this started to happen.

01:16:15Guest:Action.

01:16:17Guest:Out comes the cup.

01:16:19Guest:Big fake drink.

01:16:20Guest:Offer the lady.

01:16:21Guest:Not a lot.

01:16:23Guest:Take the big piece of meat.

01:16:24Guest:Fake bite it.

01:16:26Guest:Offer to her.

01:16:27Guest:And then as you're miming, start to vocalize.

01:16:31Guest:That's really good.

01:16:33Guest:I really liked it.

01:16:35Guest:I want some more.

01:16:36Guest:Like, no, no.

01:16:37Guest:Cut.

01:16:38Guest:Cut.

01:16:38Guest:No.

01:16:39Guest:No.

01:16:40Guest:Don't.

01:16:41Guest:The best.

01:16:43Guest:The best.

01:16:44Guest:That should have been the scene.

01:16:46Guest:Just aim it at him and go and tell him, keep going.

01:16:50Guest:We asked the editors, like, please save that camera angle.

01:16:53Guest:Just put it on a tape for us, and we had it.

01:16:56Guest:We would show it at parties.

01:16:58Guest:He got to watch this guy.

01:17:00Guest:Best.

01:17:00Guest:The best.

01:17:01Guest:Do you still have it?

01:17:03Guest:We don't have it.

01:17:04Guest:Believe me, I'd have watched it.

01:17:06Guest:You can see him, though.

01:17:08Guest:I think he's still doing a little bit in the scale.

01:17:12Guest:Oh, yeah, he's there.

01:17:13Guest:I don't know if you see a lot of him.

01:17:15Marc:How long before from Stiller to Mr. Show?

01:17:18Marc:Go ahead.

01:17:18Guest:Well, after Stiller, I did a pilot for HBO.

01:17:21Guest:It was supposed to be with Janine and Andy Dick, but Andy got the lead in the new Get Smart.

01:17:27Guest:Oh, my God.

01:17:31Guest:Awesome.

01:17:32Guest:Awesome.

01:17:34Marc:But that didn't work out.

01:17:34Marc:I don't remember that.

01:17:35Guest:It turned out that people weren't dying for more of that.

01:17:40Guest:Get smart.

01:17:41Guest:Yeah.

01:17:44Guest:Why did they cancel it in the first place?

01:17:47Guest:People were sick of it.

01:17:52Guest:So they'd had more than enough.

01:17:56Guest:You think they'd want more?

01:17:57Guest:Why?

01:17:57Guest:Do you feel that way about sequels in general?

01:18:00Guest:So many sequels.

01:18:01Guest:So many things.

01:18:01Guest:You go, really?

01:18:02Guest:Because they barely liked it in the first place.

01:18:05Guest:So many movies that are made from old TV shows.

01:18:09Guest:It's like, but the old people who watched that, they didn't even like it that much.

01:18:14Guest:There was barely anything.

01:18:15Guest:You had no choice.

01:18:17Guest:Yeah, there's no TV.

01:18:17Guest:There were three fucking channels, and there weren't that many comedies.

01:18:20Guest:You had Bewitched, I Dream a Genie, or Get Smart.

01:18:24Guest:Pick one.

01:18:25Guest:Yeah.

01:18:26Guest:It's the craziest thing.

01:18:28Guest:A third of America's watching it.

01:18:29Guest:We must be great.

01:18:33Guest:But it sounds like I'm joking, but I think the new Munsters reboot is going to be awesome.

01:18:41Marc:You're not joking?

01:18:42Guest:Well, I did a pilot, and then David and I started doing the shows in this space, the Diamond Club, that Dave Rath opened up.

01:18:52Guest:And I did a sketch show, and I asked him to be in it.

01:18:54Guest:And we'd been hanging out and seeing each other at all the stuff where you were there and everybody was there.

01:18:59Guest:It was kind of the alternative scene in L.A.

01:19:01Guest:It was fun.

01:19:03Guest:The interesting thing there is the people who are a part of that, right?

01:19:06Guest:Kathy Griffin, Margaret Cho, Janine.

01:19:10Marc:Dana.

01:19:11Guest:Dana, Patton, Paul, Tompkins, Jay Johnston, and David.

01:19:17Guest:Will Ferrell used to do the simpatico thing.

01:19:19Guest:Yeah, I'd see him, but not that often.

01:19:21Guest:But that group, because everybody's in such different places.

01:19:25Guest:But we hung out every night almost.

01:19:27Marc:Now, the dynamic, though.

01:19:28Marc:Do you feel like when he first started writing with you, did you feel that he taught you how to discipline yourself or any of that shit?

01:19:37Yeah.

01:19:37Marc:Did that get the discipline to write?

01:19:39Marc:Was he on your ass?

01:19:40Guest:Fucking absolutely.

01:19:42Guest:No, he wasn't on my ass.

01:19:43Guest:I just had to keep up with him.

01:19:45Guest:I'd never worked with anybody who was as focused and driven.

01:19:50Guest:He's not high.

01:19:57Guest:My God, you're not high.

01:19:59Guest:Holy shit.

01:20:01Guest:How much pot did you say no to?

01:20:04Guest:Wow.

01:20:07Guest:But I mean, and I would say back then, I would say to a fault almost, that you were just focused.

01:20:16Guest:There was very little room for pleasure in Bob's life.

01:20:22Guest:And you would get a real sense of it when you'd go out to eat, and just some French fries would come.

01:20:30Guest:You'd be like, oh, my God, these are so good.

01:20:33Guest:They're so good.

01:20:34Guest:Oh, my God.

01:20:35Guest:Like, oh, yeah, I guess they're good.

01:20:38Guest:But as time went on, you're like, oh, all right, so you have these windows of enjoyment.

01:20:44Yeah.

01:20:44Guest:has that changed one is like in the middle of lunch not the beginning because then you have to figure out what you're going to get and you're still talking about stuff and the paper's out and then at the end you've got your papers back out because you're almost done but there's that middle area of eating where you can just let go just fucking let go man and that was clearly what you interrupted with the basketball on that first meeting yes you interrupted god damn it what the only joy in Bob's life

01:21:14Guest:But there's an absolute 180 market change once you met Naomi.

01:21:23Guest:And then again, exponentially beyond that when you had kids and everything.

01:21:28Guest:That was like just totally chilled out and just more pleasurable the whole.

01:21:32Guest:It's because I yell at my kids so much.

01:21:35Guest:All the rest of the world is like, wow, he got it out of him.

01:21:38Guest:Where did all that energy and angst go?

01:21:41Marc:But I remember that when you showcased Mr. Show, before it was Mr. Show, and you did it in Aspen, correct?

01:21:50Marc:Yeah.

01:21:51Marc:Because I was there.

01:21:51Marc:It was the Aspen Comedy Festival in 1995, and you were in the middle of a cowboy bar.

01:21:56Marc:or a dance floor.

01:21:57Marc:This is like, at the time, HBO used to have this yearly comedy festival that was basically a trade show.

01:22:02Marc:They'd wheel out people that were creative and had ideas, and they'd have them showcase in miserable venues for powerful people.

01:22:10Guest:Fucking Aspen!

01:22:11Guest:The comedy mecca of the world.

01:22:14Guest:And once the comedy festival was established, then there was some legitimacy to it.

01:22:19Guest:But the first couple years, we're up there, and we're not just showcasing.

01:22:24Guest:We're showcasing to see if we get a show on HBO.

01:22:28Marc:Right.

01:22:28Guest:That was part of, as it was explained to us, you'll go up to Aspen, HBO's putting it on, you know, let's see how the show does.

01:22:34Guest:And it's fucking five o'clock in the afternoon, and there's Austrian, rich, rich, rich Austrian skiers who are exhausted, bored.

01:22:44Guest:English is a fourth language.

01:22:47Guest:And they're sitting there, and they don't know what's going on.

01:22:50Guest:They were told an American celebrity is going to be here, and we're doing our stupid shit about doing Ronnie Dobbs or whatever.

01:22:57Guest:And they're like, just, I mean, they're...

01:23:00Guest:Ski cunts, I think, is what we established.

01:23:03Guest:But also... We opened with Tenacious D, and there was skiers asleep.

01:23:08Guest:I swear to God, they were sleeping, and it was Tenacious D, and they stared at them.

01:23:11Guest:They didn't laugh, they didn't react, they just stared at them.

01:23:13Guest:But it's also not their fault.

01:23:14Guest:Our first show there was like four guys in the front row in red sweater vests.

01:23:18Guest:I remember that.

01:23:19Guest:Four old men with white hair.

01:23:20Guest:With feet up on other chairs like this.

01:23:23Guest:Like retired dentists, four of them.

01:23:26Guest:It was not our group.

01:23:27Guest:But it wasn't their fault.

01:23:29Guest:It was not their fault.

01:23:30Guest:It was a stupid idea to have a comedy.

01:23:33Guest:You know what their fault was?

01:23:34Guest:The advertisement?

01:23:35Guest:Hey, assholes, come see comedy.

01:23:38Guest:They shouldn't have asked the assholes to come.

01:23:41Guest:Why?

01:23:42Guest:I just, I find it hard to.

01:23:45Marc:But did you like, who was the guy that championed you?

01:23:49Marc:Is that where you met Bernie Boilstein?

01:23:51Guest:Bernie was way behind it.

01:23:53Guest:And, you know, honestly, Chris Albrecht and Carolyn Strauss wanted it to happen.

01:23:56Guest:They loved it.

01:23:57Guest:They had to find a reason.

01:23:59Guest:Executives, they have to sort of get reasons to sell a show to their executives, to their bosses.

01:24:07Guest:So that's one thing that they can do with a show they like is try to find something that can back them up.

01:24:14Guest:So maybe if we played well at this festival, I don't think we did that well.

01:24:19Guest:No, we didn't.

01:24:19Guest:We didn't.

01:24:20Guest:But what did save the show, if you want to know what saved Mr. Show, we did four episodes for the first season, and they showed them, and then it didn't do very well, and nobody liked it in New York.

01:24:33Guest:And then the son of one of the female executives...

01:24:39Guest:No, it was a woman asked – a woman executive in New York asked, I think, Bucus or somebody at HBO, my 14-year-old son is begging me for tapes of this show.

01:24:53Guest:Can you get them for me?

01:24:54Guest:And so that was the ammunition.

01:24:57Guest:Some 14-year-old – but this happens all the time.

01:24:59Guest:You've heard this story.

01:25:00Guest:Some 14-year-old's asking for it to his rich mom, asking her rich friend –

01:25:05Guest:if they can have the show.

01:25:07Guest:That's show business.

01:25:09Guest:You know what?

01:25:10Guest:This appeals to young people.

01:25:11Guest:That's great.

01:25:12Marc:That's fucking amazing.

01:25:13Marc:Okay, so thank God for this 14-year-old.

01:25:16Marc:Yeah, whoever he is.

01:25:17God bless you.

01:25:18Marc:So now, okay, so I don't miss questions while you're both here.

01:25:23Guest:That's how Skrillex got popular.

01:25:27Guest:Google it.

01:25:27Guest:Oh, you're going to be so embarrassed later, Mark.

01:25:32Marc:I'm always embarrassed.

01:25:33Marc:It's the way I... So, Bob.

01:25:36Marc:What?

01:25:41Marc:Just wanted to check in.

01:25:43Marc:What happened with the movie?

01:25:45Marc:Let's just deal with that.

01:25:46Guest:Run, Ronnie, Run?

01:25:46Marc:Yeah.

01:25:48Yeah.

01:25:48Guest:It has its fans.

01:25:52Guest:It has a lot of funny lines in it, I'll tell you that.

01:25:56Guest:You know, I hadn't watched it in years, and somehow online there was like a favorite lines from this movie, and I popped on it, and it was like 60 lines.

01:26:06Guest:It was like every line was really funny.

01:26:08Guest:There's some funny shit in there, for sure.

01:26:09Guest:And it was like, oh, wow, yeah, that was funny.

01:26:11Guest:Oh, wow, another one.

01:26:12Guest:And I just... It just... Whatever.

01:26:15Guest:Well, is there any way that you guys...

01:26:18Guest:Movies are very hard to make them great, and you talk to people who've made a lot of movies, and they'll tell you they're on the set, they're working, it's been a great script, a great reading, a great rehearsal, and it's going well, and then the movie comes out, and it's nothing.

01:26:34Guest:And then movies that look great, there's been interviews, and you can see many stars and directors and say...

01:26:42Guest:They'd say, I don't know, didn't think it was going that well.

01:26:47Guest:And then it's like one of the great movies.

01:26:48Guest:That's like Raging Bull was initially a comedy, and they put it out there, and it's dying.

01:26:55Guest:It is tanking.

01:26:57Guest:So they rejiggered a couple things and made it a drama.

01:27:02Guest:And you never know.

01:27:03Guest:You never know.

01:27:03Guest:That's the thing.

01:27:05Guest:Right.

01:27:05Guest:Well, it wasn't originally about boxing, right?

01:27:08Guest:It was about Boxing Day, actually.

01:27:13Guest:Yeah.

01:27:14Guest:What was that thing you used to say about Schindler's West?

01:27:17Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:27:19Guest:That's an old... That's one of my first jokes, TV jokes.

01:27:21Guest:Oh, sorry.

01:27:21Guest:First joke I ever said on TV.

01:27:23Guest:What was it?

01:27:23Guest:I saw Schindler's West.

01:27:24Guest:I saw Schindler's West the other day.

01:27:26Guest:Not that funny.

01:27:30Yeah.

01:27:30Guest:I mean, a couple.

01:27:31Guest:I mean, there were a couple of really funny moments.

01:27:34Guest:Yeah.

01:27:35Guest:Overall.

01:27:38Guest:I don't know.

01:27:38Guest:See how good it still works?

01:27:39Guest:I should have quit that.

01:27:41Guest:I should have quit.

01:27:42Guest:Good night.

01:27:42Guest:That's my career.

01:27:46All right.

01:27:46Marc:All right, you guys, so are you going to, like, I guess, do you like working together?

01:27:50Marc:Are you going to do something else?

01:27:51Marc:I mean, there's a lot of Mr. Show people out here.

01:27:53Guest:We're doing a benefit for Amnesty International in New York.

01:27:58Guest:Next week.

01:27:58Guest:We're participating.

01:27:59Guest:We're going to do one scene.

01:28:01Guest:You mean if we're going to do another, like, big project or something?

01:28:04Marc:Yeah, that's sort of what it is.

01:28:05Guest:I don't know.

01:28:05Guest:You know, like I said, we did something two years ago, and I think we'd both do it if we had the idea or whatever.

01:28:11Guest:Okay.

01:28:11Guest:For sure.

01:28:11Guest:We have a great time.

01:28:12Guest:All right.

01:28:13Guest:It's just David lives in New York, and...

01:28:16Guest:It's not really very convenient.

01:28:18Guest:I think I'm rude to live in New York.

01:28:19Guest:It's kind of rude.

01:28:20Guest:Choose the life I've chosen.

01:28:22Guest:But not New York City.

01:28:23Guest:Kind of indulgent.

01:28:25Guest:Kind of self-indulgent.

01:28:26Guest:You live in the hills.

01:28:28Guest:You're like a hill person.

01:28:29Guest:Yeah, I live mostly.

01:28:31Guest:I mean, that's where I'm registered now and everything.

01:28:33Guest:You're registered as a hill person?

01:28:39Guest:You don't have a phone.

01:28:40No.

01:28:40Guest:I don't have a phone.

01:28:41Guest:You live in New York.

01:28:42Guest:You have no phone.

01:28:43Guest:I don't have a phone.

01:28:44Guest:I don't have a TV.

01:28:46Guest:I don't.

01:28:47Guest:I don't have a phone.

01:28:47Guest:You said you don't listen to music.

01:28:49Guest:I don't understand that.

01:28:50Guest:You said you don't like music.

01:28:51Guest:No, I bang pots.

01:28:52Guest:I go outside and I bang pots together.

01:28:54Guest:Wait, you don't have a TV?

01:28:55Guest:And then listen to the frog.

01:28:56Guest:I do not have a TV.

01:28:57Marc:Is that a principal thing?

01:28:59Guest:No.

01:29:00Guest:Well, initially, I didn't know I was going to be spending as much time up there as I do now.

01:29:04Guest:But I was like, this isn't for that.

01:29:08Guest:I don't want to go up to my place in the woods and watch TV.

01:29:11Guest:It seems silly.

01:29:12Guest:What do you do?

01:29:14Guest:I bring DVDs.

01:29:18LAUGHTER

01:29:18Guest:I'm not joking.

01:29:20Guest:I am not joking.

01:29:22Guest:David... Well, you guys got to know that David has a nickname that he's been trying to get everyone to call him by.

01:29:28Guest:It's his own... This ought to be good.

01:29:31Guest:I cannot wait.

01:29:33Guest:Old-timey man.

01:29:36Guest:And he goes to carnivals and lets kids ride him.

01:29:41Guest:You can ride a donkey or you can ride old-timey men.

01:29:45Yeah.

01:29:45Guest:This beard is just bees.

01:29:48Guest:This is just bees.

01:29:50Guest:It's not even my facial hair.

01:29:51Guest:David Cross, Bob Odenkirk, John Innes.

01:29:54Guest:Thank you.

01:29:55Guest:Keep it going for Neil Brennan, Josie Long.

01:29:57Guest:You've been great.

01:29:58Guest:This has been Live WTF Vancouver.

01:30:01Guest:You can bring up that music.

01:30:29you