Episode 202 - Jimmy Shubert

Episode 202 • Released August 17, 2011 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Guest:Lock the gates!

00:00:07Marc:Are we doing this?

00:00:08Marc:Really?

00:00:08Marc:Wait for it.

00:00:09Marc:Are we doing this?

00:00:10Marc:Wait for it.

00:00:12Marc:Pow!

00:00:12Marc:What the fuck?

00:00:14Marc:And it's also... Eh, what the fuck?

00:00:16Marc:What's wrong with me?

00:00:17Marc:It's time for WTF!

00:00:19Marc:What the fuck?

00:00:20Marc:With Mark Maron.

00:00:24Marc:All right, let's do this.

00:00:25Marc:How are you, what the fuckers?

00:00:26Marc:What the fuck buddies?

00:00:27Marc:What the fucking ears?

00:00:28Marc:What the fucking aliens?

00:00:29Marc:What the fuckables?

00:00:31Marc:Fuckables?

00:00:32Marc:There's so many.

00:00:33Marc:You know how it goes.

00:00:34Marc:This is Mark Maron.

00:00:35Marc:This is WTF.

00:00:36Marc:Thank you for listening.

00:00:37Marc:On the show today, Jim Schubert.

00:00:39Marc:Jimmy Schubert and I were dormant at the Comedy Store in the late 80s, mid 80s, 86, 87.

00:00:45Marc:We got a weird chunk of history together.

00:00:47Marc:A lot of Comedy Store mythology in this one.

00:00:49Marc:that we are going to see truth in and there's a i you know jim is always he's very excitable guy and i'm excited to talk to him so we'll get to that in a little while before i forget as i always forget this weekend tonight starting tonight thursday the 18th i will be at the palms hotel in las vegas at the playboy comedy club that's uh the 18th 19th and 20th

00:01:13Marc:At the Palms, if you're in Vegas, come to that next week.

00:01:16Marc:Hilarities in Cleveland.

00:01:19Marc:That's Thursday through Sunday, August 25th through 28th.

00:01:22Marc:If you're in the Cleveland, Ohio area, come out to Hilarities.

00:01:27Marc:I haven't felt like I talked to you in a while.

00:01:29Marc:I know I did a live one.

00:01:30Marc:I guess I talked to you not too long ago, but everything's moving so goddamn fast that I feel like I get lost.

00:01:38Marc:I was feeling panic, which is not unusual for me, just panic.

00:01:42Marc:And things are going well, but there's a lot more to do all of a sudden.

00:01:46Marc:So that makes me more panicky.

00:01:47Marc:And I got a book hanging over my head, so I'm writing that.

00:01:50Marc:These are not problems.

00:01:51Marc:I am not complaining.

00:01:53Marc:I just don't know how to deal with the panic all the time and the dread.

00:01:58Marc:But I figured out that there must be a way, almost an alchemy,

00:02:04Marc:To somehow bending panic and dread into excitement because I think it's exactly the same feeling.

00:02:12Marc:It's just one is based in fear and the other is based in a sort of positive anticipation.

00:02:20Marc:There's very little difference.

00:02:22Marc:Between, you know, saying, fuck, how am I going to do that?

00:02:26Marc:I mean, I got to do that thing.

00:02:27Marc:And, oh, fuck, yeah, I get to do that.

00:02:30Marc:That's going to be great.

00:02:31Marc:I hope I get through it and I get it done.

00:02:36Marc:I'm excited to try.

00:02:38Marc:Such a fine line between that.

00:02:39Marc:Like, I'm never going to fucking do it.

00:02:41Marc:I'm not going to.

00:02:42Marc:God damn it.

00:02:43Marc:God, just that the precipice of panic and excitement.

00:02:47Marc:It's got to be a mental switch.

00:02:50Marc:Man, I'm excited that I figured that out right here in front of you.

00:02:54Marc:I did the alchemy.

00:02:55Marc:I worked out the math.

00:02:57Marc:I crunched the big mental numbers.

00:02:59Marc:I live a very undisciplined life of the mind.

00:03:04Marc:Pow!

00:03:05Marc:Wow!

00:03:06Marc:Boy, I just shit my pants.

00:03:07Marc:JustCoffee.coop, available at WTFPod.com.

00:03:11Marc:So Monkey got out this morning.

00:03:13Marc:There's a hole in the screen that LaFonda figured out how to jump through, but Monkey was too stupid to figure out how to jump through, so we just let it be.

00:03:21Marc:And then he figured out how to jump through it last night, so he got out last night.

00:03:24Marc:And then he we got him back in.

00:03:26Marc:It was dark out and he came back in and he was just tweaked.

00:03:29Marc:He was jacked.

00:03:30Marc:He was high on the outdoors.

00:03:32Marc:You know, when you got an indoor cat and they go outside, it's like fucking crack.

00:03:36Marc:So they come in and they're like wired.

00:03:37Marc:They're ready to be outside again in the wild fighting the big fight.

00:03:42Marc:So he's all tweaked and then he gets out today somehow because the door got left open.

00:03:45Marc:But he's just amped.

00:03:48Marc:No panic in his mind.

00:03:49Marc:He just wants to get outdoors to eat some grass and smell some branches and maybe climb halfway up a tree.

00:03:54Marc:It's something cats do.

00:03:56Marc:But in my mind, this cat cannot defend itself.

00:03:58Marc:In my mind, this cat...

00:03:59Marc:is is like a little maybe he's a little like me i feel like he's panicky he's a little tweaked he can't stand up for himself in the in the big fight outdoors with the scrappers and the strays and boomer in the back and because one time he got out and he came back he had a gash on his neck i had to bring him to the vet and stick a cone on his head it's a pain in the ass when you have feral cats and you have to actually try to get them to do things

00:04:23Marc:So now he's out there, and I'm worried that he's going to get lost.

00:04:26Marc:And he's an animal.

00:04:27Marc:He knows where he eats.

00:04:28Marc:He knows where he lives.

00:04:29Marc:He knows where I am.

00:04:31Marc:How is he going to get lost?

00:04:32Marc:Maybe he's going to get hurt.

00:04:34Marc:Maybe.

00:04:35Marc:Why am I assuming that an animal who is wired to be outdoors and instinctively defend himself is going to get hurt because he can't handle it?

00:04:45Marc:But in the same way, look, being lost, I've got an issue.

00:04:49Marc:In the last two months,

00:04:51Marc:I have been in two cars with this OnStar navigation system.

00:04:56Marc:And I have never felt, I can't even, you know, I felt like when I, it wasn't my car, I wasn't driving it.

00:05:04Marc:I was with somebody who had it and they were very excited to have it.

00:05:06Marc:Came with the car.

00:05:07Marc:You just hit a button and then there's all of a sudden a voice in your car.

00:05:11Marc:A person is attached to your car.

00:05:13Marc:And they're saying, you know, OnStar Navigation Assistant or whatever.

00:05:16Marc:Can I help you?

00:05:17Marc:And you tell them the address and you're connected to this person.

00:05:20Marc:I've never felt so stupid and so creeped out at the same time.

00:05:25Marc:Look, you know, I have GPS.

00:05:26Marc:I understand the GPS idea.

00:05:28Marc:I do miss the time.

00:05:30Marc:I don't.

00:05:31Marc:It gets to a point where technology where I don't.

00:05:33Marc:How did we live before?

00:05:35Marc:I mean, there was a time where you get on the phone like, how do I get there?

00:05:38Marc:So you turn right at the thing and then I go left where?

00:05:40Marc:And then, okay, so it's right there across from the other thing.

00:05:43Marc:Like it's there where the weird sign is.

00:05:46Marc:All right.

00:05:46Marc:And there was an adventure to finding it.

00:05:49Marc:You might not find it.

00:05:50Marc:You might scramble around.

00:05:51Marc:But now there's no reason to ever be lost.

00:05:54Marc:And I think I miss being lost.

00:05:57Marc:You know, I'm worried about my cat out there.

00:05:58Marc:He's not lost.

00:05:59Marc:He'll figure it out.

00:06:00Marc:He's going to go have a great day, scramble around, maybe get hit by a car.

00:06:04Marc:Hope not.

00:06:05Marc:I just I don't know where it became OK.

00:06:09Marc:Now we have this voice in our car that there was always this fear at some point.

00:06:13Marc:I know I've talked about this theme before about not totalitarianism, but the idea of surveillance and big brother.

00:06:20Marc:And this was a big fear.

00:06:22Marc:A big fear for all of us that we're being monitored.

00:06:26Marc:They're watching us.

00:06:27Marc:Well, now we want them to, apparently.

00:06:29Marc:They're in our car.

00:06:31Marc:OnStar Navigation, can I help you?

00:06:34Marc:Yeah, thank God you're here.

00:06:35Marc:So you got me on the screen?

00:06:37Marc:Do you know exactly where my car is?

00:06:38Marc:If you focused in on the little blip of light that is my car on the great global grid of things, can you see me moving through time and space as a little light point on your big screen?

00:06:49Marc:Does the satellite have me?

00:06:51Marc:Am I cradled in the arms of the great satellite in the sky so you can help me find a gas station?

00:07:00Marc:I don't like being lost, and I do like knowing where I'm going, but I remember maps.

00:07:03Marc:Don't you remember maps?

00:07:04Marc:Do you remember having to pull over, open up a map?

00:07:07Marc:I remember when I was younger, you'd take a trip.

00:07:09Marc:We used to get trip ticks at AAA.

00:07:11Marc:Do you remember trip ticks at AAA?

00:07:13Marc:You'd plan a trip, and you'd go to AAA if you were a member of AAA.

00:07:16Marc:And for some reason, all AAAs look like they got stuck in time around the Mad Men era.

00:07:21Marc:There was something...

00:07:22Marc:weird in 1950s about it even the people that worked there seemed almost 1950s ish it seemed like uh like it seemed like in america when the middle class was just being invented and people were you know drove big cars and there was an excitement to hitting the road

00:07:37Marc:And you'd leave with this weird flip book of your entire trip.

00:07:41Marc:And on every page, you'd have a section of the map and you'd look at it and you'd say, can we avoid that?

00:07:45Marc:Look, that looks like a thing we should see.

00:07:46Marc:Hey, there's a hotel that's got a triple A rating, which now I don't know what that means.

00:07:50Marc:But yeah, it's not necessarily great.

00:07:52Marc:But hey, there's a restaurant that you can stop at.

00:07:53Marc:There's all that, you know, the interactive thing where you're with your person in the car, a friend, a family.

00:08:00Marc:Everyone's fighting over the map.

00:08:01Marc:Dad's lost.

00:08:02Marc:All that stuff.

00:08:03Marc:Gone.

00:08:04Marc:Gone.

00:08:06Marc:I don't know if it's a good thing.

00:08:08Marc:I mean, there's something about being lost that enables us to find ourselves.

00:08:12Marc:I mean, that's a very great moment.

00:08:15Marc:Like, I got it.

00:08:16Marc:I got it.

00:08:16Marc:I know where we are.

00:08:18Marc:I know where I am.

00:08:20Marc:Yeah, and that can be a metaphor as well.

00:08:22Marc:Physically, mentally, emotionally.

00:08:24Marc:I mean, being lost is something, it's something great.

00:08:27Marc:It's something to be cherished.

00:08:28Marc:It's something you have to reckon with.

00:08:30Marc:You know, to be lost and not be corrected by machines, and they can be equally lost.

00:08:34Marc:I mean...

00:08:35Marc:I don't know, eventually they're going to get to a point where they're going to convince us that memory is some outdated human mode that is imprecise and dangerous.

00:08:43Marc:And by they, I mean the machines that make us do things because we think they are better than us.

00:08:51Marc:And the weird thing about this OnStar thing, I mean, what if you were to engage in a conversation with them?

00:08:55Marc:What if you were to say, hello, OnStar Navigation, can I help you?

00:09:00Marc:Yeah, man, I got problems.

00:09:02Marc:You know, I'm in trouble here.

00:09:03Marc:I'm in the car.

00:09:04Marc:I'm driving to a bar right now.

00:09:06Marc:I haven't drank in 12 years, and I fucking had it.

00:09:10Marc:Well, do you have an address?

00:09:15Marc:Is that what you're going to ask me?

00:09:16Marc:Do I have an address?

00:09:18Marc:Did you understand what I said?

00:09:19Marc:I 12 years sober, 12 years sober, and I'm going to go drink, and I shouldn't be drinking.

00:09:24Marc:What city are you in, sir?

00:09:25Marc:I mean, is there... Do you have an intersection?

00:09:29Marc:Yeah, I'm at the intersection of I don't want to live anymore, and I'm about to take action that might assist me in doing that.

00:09:40Marc:Can you help me?

00:09:42Marc:If you give me an address...

00:09:44Marc:Hmm, can you put someone else on the line?

00:09:48Marc:I should have engaged with them.

00:09:50Marc:I should have.

00:09:51Marc:But the interesting thing is that these machines don't always help you.

00:09:55Marc:I mean, I was with my buddy Al.

00:09:56Marc:We needed a gas station.

00:09:58Marc:He was in a borrowed car.

00:10:00Marc:What are we, lost in spaceships?

00:10:03Marc:Do we need ground control to get us in?

00:10:04Marc:What are we, Apollo 13 or whichever one that was?

00:10:07Marc:It's like, I don't know if the heat shield's gonna hold.

00:10:09Marc:We might have to do this by hand.

00:10:11Marc:Can you guide us in Houston?

00:10:14Marc:No, it's like, I need to find a sushi place in downtown Los Angeles.

00:10:18Marc:Can you guide us in?

00:10:19Marc:We just have a craving.

00:10:21Marc:Heat shield is fine.

00:10:25Marc:So then we get the OnStar navigation.

00:10:27Marc:We said, we need a gas station now.

00:10:28Marc:We're running out of gas in this truck that he was borrowing.

00:10:31Marc:And they gave us an address.

00:10:33Marc:We said, where's the nearest gas station?

00:10:34Marc:They said, well, there's Joe's gas.

00:10:36Marc:And Al says, do you have one that maybe has a brand name that I can identify as opposed to Joe's?

00:10:42Marc:So we get another one.

00:10:42Marc:We go to the address.

00:10:43Marc:No fucking gas station there.

00:10:45Marc:And I knew there was probably a gas station a few blocks up on this one street.

00:10:48Marc:But Al says, wait, I got an app on my phone that's just for finding gas stations.

00:10:52Marc:So now on start, the human disappointed us, led us astray.

00:10:57Marc:So he pulls out the app to find a gas station.

00:10:59Marc:That takes a while to boot up.

00:11:01Marc:Meanwhile, we're burning gas.

00:11:02Marc:The app says where a gas station is.

00:11:04Marc:No gas station there either.

00:11:05Marc:We finally find one.

00:11:07Marc:So we couldn't even have the joy of...

00:11:09Marc:of being lost and finding our way on our own to a gas station no the joy we experienced was we beat the machines these machines are useless both of them fucked up the machine with the person in it and the machine with just a machine in it both of them fucked up and we are better than machines that's the lesson to be learned we would have found the fucking gas station without the machine and maybe we would have had a conversation other than so does this app usually work or how do they know where they're going

00:11:36Marc:What's the point of talking to that person?

00:11:38Marc:Is that a person?

00:11:38Marc:Can we ask them other questions?

00:11:40Marc:We could have had the experience of actually being lost, seeing a new neighborhood.

00:11:44Marc:I find that with my phone, too.

00:11:45Marc:I'm walking down the street.

00:11:46Marc:I don't even pay attention to what's going on around me.

00:11:48Marc:I'm sitting there texting.

00:11:50Marc:I'm sitting there looking at a GPS, looking up something on Google, on my phone.

00:11:53Marc:I'm not even taking in the world around me.

00:11:56Marc:Huh.

00:11:56Marc:And now I'm working at that pace.

00:11:58Marc:Nothing is moving fast enough for me.

00:11:59Marc:I'm in a car.

00:12:00Marc:It seems to me that every stoplight takes an hour.

00:12:03Marc:I am full of aggravation and panic trying to turn that into excitement.

00:12:09Marc:Fuck, I wonder if Monkey's back.

00:12:12Marc:Is there some sort of navigation device I can put on the cat that I can pull up on my computer so I know exactly where he is, which car he's under, whose deck he's under, which fucking shitty stray cat is kicking his ass right now?

00:12:29Marc:Jumpstart Jimmy Schubert.

00:12:31Guest:Are you kidding me?

00:12:36Guest:That's hilarious.

00:12:37Marc:I'm sorry, man.

00:12:38Guest:No, that's...

00:12:40Guest:Bro, everybody sent your watches back to 1985.

00:12:45Guest:That was the one word.

00:12:47Guest:That's right.

00:12:48Guest:Jumpstart.

00:12:48Guest:That is so funny.

00:12:49Guest:That was the worst part about hanging out with Dice.

00:12:53Guest:And for a little while, you would get a nickname.

00:12:55Guest:It's like Hot Tub Johnny Popcorn and Marty Noodles Levenstein.

00:12:59Guest:Yeah.

00:13:00Guest:You know, that was it.

00:13:01Marc:No, what was his girlfriend's name?

00:13:02Marc:Cheesecake or something or muffin or what the fuck was her name?

00:13:07Guest:I don't know, but yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:13:09Guest:You would always get, everybody had a nickname hanging out with him.

00:13:11Marc:Well, that's the weird thing about, you know, when I was thinking about our history and about, you know, me coming into the comedy store when I did in 87, that, you know, you were already there and there was that system in place where you had to be a doorman, you had to hang out, you had to do this.

00:13:25Marc:And it's still sort of, there's a bit of it left over there, but it's not the same.

00:13:29Marc:Yeah.

00:13:29Guest:No.

00:13:30Marc:But then there was this whole idea of satellite comics.

00:13:32Marc:No one ever called him that except for Mike Becker, Mitzi Shores.

00:13:35Marc:I don't remember who said it, but there were certain guys that had satellite comics.

00:13:39Marc:And I think we were Sam Satellites, but you were actually Dice Satellite.

00:13:43Marc:Well, initially.

00:13:46Guest:That's how we started out.

00:13:47Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:13:47Guest:Well, we start.

00:13:48Guest:And you're right.

00:13:49Guest:I was part of that system where you start working as a doorman.

00:13:52Guest:Yeah.

00:13:53Guest:And then you get the weekend spots in the belly room.

00:13:54Guest:Yeah.

00:13:55Guest:And then Mitzi, she was nurturing you and bringing you along.

00:13:58Guest:And you were, yeah.

00:13:59Guest:And then I started driving the limousines.

00:14:02Guest:Yeah.

00:14:02Guest:Because then she had the room in Vegas.

00:14:04Guest:Yeah.

00:14:04Guest:And you had to go pick her up.

00:14:06Guest:Yeah.

00:14:06Guest:And then.

00:14:07Guest:I fucked her.

00:14:07Guest:Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:14:10Guest:That joke he had.

00:14:12Guest:I had a beeper on my dick.

00:14:14Guest:Yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:14:15Guest:When I was the doorman.

00:14:16Guest:How old were you, though?

00:14:17Guest:Oh, dude, I was a kid, man.

00:14:18Guest:I know.

00:14:20Guest:You know, it's funny.

00:14:20Guest:I was thinking about, man, I was 26 years ago.

00:14:22Guest:Not to date me and you, but that is 26 years ago.

00:14:25Marc:Were you like 20, 21?

00:14:26Guest:Yeah, I was 19.

00:14:27Guest:I remember turning 21.

00:14:28Guest:It's so funny.

00:14:29Guest:I got a birthday cake on my 21st birthday and all kinds of red flags.

00:14:34Guest:How come you got a birthday cake?

00:14:36Guest:From Mitzi?

00:14:37Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:14:38Guest:That was the dead giveaway.

00:14:39Guest:Everybody knew then.

00:14:40Guest:Everybody knew then.

00:14:41Guest:It was like, game on.

00:14:43Guest:But I was one of the few guys that actually pulled it off without losing my mind.

00:14:47Guest:I didn't actually- You were a kid.

00:14:50Guest:Well, yeah, but I was a kid.

00:14:51Guest:But it was the younger guy, older chick fantasy.

00:14:53Guest:Sure.

00:14:55Guest:And I had just read, I remember I just read Sammy Shore's book, The Warm Up.

00:14:58Guest:That's Pauly Shore's dad, Mitzi Shore's ex-husband.

00:15:01Guest:And the guy who started the Comedy Store in 1972.

00:15:04Guest:So I was going out there and I started reading his book because I want to educate myself about the whole- Oh, before you left Philly?

00:15:09Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:10Guest:I read the book.

00:15:11Guest:No, I think I read it after I got out there and I went and saw Sammy Sherwood's doing a play based on the book.

00:15:15Marc:Yeah.

00:15:16Guest:And then not too long after that, I wound up- Banging his ex-wife.

00:15:21Guest:Yeah.

00:15:22Marc:as it's as a child but I think what was weird about that whole scene and I think you know I I don't use you what you grew up in Philly got big family right yeah I got six brothers I remember those guys they were you know they came around once or twice yeah one or two of them yeah yeah and in what what drove you to Los Angeles to begin with I mean you seem sort of like a scrapper you come from a tough family was your dad a cop or something that was a cop my dad was a Philadelphia detective

00:15:47Guest:I felt bad for him.

00:15:48Guest:I realized later on, my dad was a Philadelphia detective, and he was raising six criminals.

00:15:53Guest:We didn't learn the metric system in school.

00:15:57Marc:It was an eight ball.

00:15:59Guest:But we were always getting in trouble.

00:16:02Guest:If he had to come down and get you out of the police station, then you were getting the famous forearm punch.

00:16:08Marc:But the bottom line is, he could come get you down at the police station.

00:16:13Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:16:14Guest:There would be no, nothing would happen.

00:16:16Guest:Yeah.

00:16:16Guest:You know, he would just come and get you.

00:16:18Guest:It would almost be easier if they made you go to court and, you know, because... You learned a real lesson.

00:16:23Guest:Yeah, you learned a real lesson because... But if he had to come get you, it was, you know, you get the... And my dad has this one hand that is enormous.

00:16:31Guest:And I don't know what happened if he broke it or... Yeah, yeah.

00:16:34Guest:But it's... And I don't know whether it was his interrogation hand or it was the hand he used.

00:16:38Marc:Like, I mean, but it was... The bad cop hand.

00:16:40Guest:But he would... Yeah, the bad cop.

00:16:43Guest:It would envelope your hand.

00:16:44Guest:I mean, he would wrap right around.

00:16:45Guest:I was like, oh...

00:16:46Guest:Is he still around?

00:16:49Guest:He's still around, yeah.

00:16:49Guest:Him and my mom are still together.

00:16:50Guest:That's fucking amazing, isn't it?

00:16:52Guest:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:16:54Guest:It's kind of like a throwback thing.

00:16:59Guest:I think it's more like a...

00:17:01Guest:For some reason, they probably could have.

00:17:03Guest:But now it's like, what's the point?

00:17:04Guest:Is he just living on his pension and just hanging out or what?

00:17:07Guest:Well, no, he's a private investigator.

00:17:09Guest:Oh, really?

00:17:09Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:17:10Guest:He's like an old gumshoe, man.

00:17:11Guest:He can't let it go.

00:17:12Guest:Oh, really?

00:17:12Guest:Yeah, he still is.

00:17:13Guest:He's got a security firm.

00:17:15Guest:And he hires.

00:17:16Guest:My dad's a FOP delegate, which is the Fraternal Order of Police.

00:17:19Guest:And he hires like cops, off-duty cops, because they have the gun and the badge.

00:17:23Guest:So they're off-duty cops.

00:17:24Guest:So they get more money for security firms, like people who have day trading offices and stuff like that.

00:17:30Guest:Yeah.

00:17:30Guest:you know all the people who snap and so it makes sense to i'd rather here's 30 bucks to an off-duty cop yeah and make some money yeah and being legitimate you not have to take you know be on the take but he can on his off hours yeah use his gun and a badge to make a pretty nice little side angle but my dad actually does that he delegates that out he has a bunch of jobs and he's a bunch of guys on the payroll

00:17:48Marc:And they're guys with guns that know how to use them, and you hope they're not mentally unstable.

00:17:53Guest:No, no.

00:17:54Guest:He's very specific about the kind of guys.

00:17:56Marc:They're all good cops.

00:17:58Marc:So when you left, did you finish high school and you took off, or what?

00:18:01Guest:Yeah, I was... I can't believe I want to tell you this.

00:18:06Guest:But I used to do magic.

00:18:07Marc:I remember.

00:18:08Guest:I was going to bring it up if you didn't.

00:18:11Marc:I remember finding some weird old resume that you put together.

00:18:14Marc:When we were living together in Cresthill, there was some paper laying around.

00:18:17Marc:You had cut and pasted some newspaper articles I think you might have made up.

00:18:21Marc:That's exactly right.

00:18:22Guest:I made my own press kit.

00:18:25Guest:That's so funny.

00:18:26Guest:I took all these advertisements.

00:18:29Guest:There was a thing in the LA Weekly called Pick It A Week.

00:18:31Guest:Right.

00:18:31Guest:And I would go in there, and I shrunk my picture down, and I put it over top, and it said, Jimmy Schubert.

00:18:37Guest:I wrote my little blurb.

00:18:38Guest:And I surrounded it with articles, so they had no newspaper print to compare it to.

00:18:43Guest:And then I made like three of those articles.

00:18:46Guest:That's so funny that you do that.

00:18:49Guest:And I would send those out.

00:18:51Guest:Yeah.

00:18:52Guest:I would send those out.

00:18:53Guest:And I remember, like, I had this kid named Ralph Williams, and he got me a gig.

00:18:59Guest:When you were in Philly?

00:19:00Guest:No, no.

00:19:00Guest:When we were in L.A., I sent that guy, that press kit with that made-up stuff.

00:19:04Guest:And he goes, no.

00:19:05Guest:And Ralph lied to the guy.

00:19:07Guest:It was this guy named Ron Perea in Albuquerque.

00:19:10Guest:Yes!

00:19:11Guest:Yes!

00:19:12Guest:I work for Perea.

00:19:13Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:19:14Guest:And this was the thing.

00:19:15Guest:I had to take a train.

00:19:17Guest:I had to take a train to Albuquerque to do the gig.

00:19:19Guest:Why?

00:19:20Guest:Because I couldn't afford a plane ticket, and it was, you know, two and a half days on a train.

00:19:25Guest:This was my first road gig, and Ralph gave me the... I got the gig because he said he did Joan Rivers, and he did this, and he made up a bunch of stuff, and the guy booked me on that.

00:19:37Guest:Yeah.

00:19:38Guest:And you're headlining.

00:19:39Guest:Yeah, and I'm headlining.

00:19:40Guest:It was a rock club.

00:19:41Marc:At the Chinese... Oh, not the Chinese restaurant?

00:19:43Marc:It's a rock club?

00:19:44Marc:No, but the rock club.

00:19:44Marc:I remember.

00:19:45Guest:But the audience were there, and you had to perform.

00:19:46Guest:I remember that place.

00:19:47Guest:Like they sat back, so it's like.

00:19:48Marc:And Ron Perret is like sweating.

00:19:49Marc:He was just this large, sweaty Latino guy.

00:19:52Guest:It was hilarious, bro.

00:19:54Guest:Yeah.

00:19:54Guest:This guy would wear the boots.

00:19:55Guest:Yeah.

00:19:56Guest:And the tuxedo.

00:19:57Guest:Yeah.

00:19:57Guest:Like he was some kind of ringmaster.

00:19:58Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:59Guest:You know?

00:19:59Guest:Yeah.

00:20:00Guest:And I remember.

00:20:02Guest:doing that gig, and maybe not the first time, I think it was like the second or third time I went back.

00:20:07Guest:So what happened, though, when you go out the first time?

00:20:09Guest:Well, you know, I did okay.

00:20:10Guest:I did okay.

00:20:11Guest:Were you doing magic?

00:20:12Guest:No, no, I was just doing stand-up, but I was doing stand-up.

00:20:14Guest:You kind of like told a couple street jokes to fill in a time.

00:20:17Guest:Sure, sure, of course, yeah.

00:20:18Guest:Here's one to take home with you.

00:20:19Guest:Yeah, here's a joke doggie back.

00:20:21Guest:Hey, okay.

00:20:23Guest:And then there was a girl that he was with, and what happened was she was like, you know, he gave her the creep.

00:20:31Guest:She was like, oh,

00:20:32Guest:You know, I don't want to be with him.

00:20:34Guest:I said, well, listen, if you want to not be with him, then, you know, you can get out of the car and come with me and hang out.

00:20:39Guest:Yeah.

00:20:39Guest:You know, so he pulls her to drop me off.

00:20:41Guest:She goes, and I'm going with him.

00:20:43Guest:And she slams the door.

00:20:44Guest:And he's like, hey, I'm going with him.

00:20:46And he's like,

00:20:47Guest:wheels out, pulls out, and about 15 minutes later, the phone ring goes, I think you better find your own ride to the airport in the morning.

00:20:53Guest:Oh, that was as bad as it got?

00:20:55Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:20:56Guest:You're lucky.

00:20:56Marc:He was kind of a pussy.

00:20:58Guest:That could have gotten ugly.

00:20:59Guest:No, no.

00:20:59Guest:Yeah, but he was a nutbag.

00:21:00Guest:But I've heard other stories about how guys canceled, and he sent a guy a letter.

00:21:05Guest:He said, consequently, I had to get a less talented act for my one-nighter, and then you canceled.

00:21:09Guest:I had to get another less talented guy, and I lost that gig.

00:21:12Guest:And I had to go, thanks for nothing.

00:21:13Guest:You killed me.

00:21:14Guest:I'm finished in show business.

00:21:15Yeah.

00:21:15Guest:But he wrote this letter, which was hilarious.

00:21:17Guest:It was a form letter?

00:21:17Marc:Yeah, it was a form letter.

00:21:20Marc:I was just hilarious.

00:21:21Marc:So you come from Philly, and then you locked in at the store.

00:21:25Marc:I don't know.

00:21:25Marc:It's hard to explain to people.

00:21:27Marc:At that time in show business, it wasn't like a million years ago, but it's just like everybody was just trying to find a way in.

00:21:33Marc:It seems a lot easier for people to kind of get a way in, but then it was like you were at the comedy store, you were at the improv, and you fucking did anything you could.

00:21:39Marc:You put together the fake resume.

00:21:40Marc:You just wanted to work.

00:21:42Guest:You wanted to get in.

00:21:43Guest:Well, you know,

00:21:43Guest:Also, when I first came out of here, I mean, I literally, I mean, it's funny.

00:21:47Guest:You said I drove out from Philadelphia, and I had bought a little bag of stuff to keep me going because I wanted to make it out there.

00:21:54Guest:I mean, I was so goal-oriented.

00:21:56Guest:It's funny.

00:21:57Guest:When I drove here to move here, I had an eight ball.

00:21:59Guest:Yeah, I had a little bag of crank.

00:22:02Guest:Oh, good for you.

00:22:03Guest:You know, just a $20 bag of crank.

00:22:04Guest:You know, you only have to do one to keep you going for three days.

00:22:06Guest:And I literally drove straight out.

00:22:09Guest:I think I didn't stop until like Flagstaff, Arizona.

00:22:11Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:12Guest:And I was listening to these tapes, The Psychology of Winning by Dennis Waitley.

00:22:15Marc:You always do that.

00:22:16Guest:I remember you did that.

00:22:16Guest:You probably still do that.

00:22:18Guest:Yeah, I do.

00:22:20But.

00:22:20Guest:but uh but i was so motivated i literally yeah got here two weeks later i moved into this room i was running in a house yeah uh started my job at the law firm and i showcased for mitzi yeah and i didn't get passed yeah but uh i remember a few weeks later todd lemish uh the todd the todd uh they needed doormen for uh tony clifton

00:22:42Marc:Yeah, so Zamuda was doing Tony Clifton.

00:22:44Guest:But it was a year after Andy Kaufman's death.

00:22:47Guest:Yeah.

00:22:47Guest:And so everybody thought it was going to be the big joke.

00:22:49Guest:He's still alive.

00:22:50Guest:He's still alive.

00:22:51Guest:So it was covered by press.

00:22:53Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:22:53Guest:And I remember watching that.

00:22:55Guest:That was my first night as a doorman.

00:22:57Guest:And it was nuts.

00:22:58Guest:Tony Clifton was like, ah, you know.

00:23:00Guest:Yeah.

00:23:00Guest:Get out of here, you fuckers!

00:23:02Guest:And the place was packed, and it was crazy.

00:23:03Guest:Oh, it was packed, and it was crazy.

00:23:05Marc:Remember that main room when it used to get packed, and we had that racket going?

00:23:08Marc:By the time I got there, you weren't a doorman anymore.

00:23:11Marc:But just that thing where it was so fucking ridiculous what we'd do.

00:23:14Marc:The whole place would be empty, and then fucking these tourists would come in, the first people in line, and you'd see them in the back, and they'd be like, what about down there?

00:23:20Guest:yeah well uh it's gonna cost you yeah that's so funny me and noodles had this thing out yeah we had five dollars between like i had three bucks he'd have two and we'd go hey let's get a five so we get a five dollar bill yeah and he would go in with it come out slap it in my hand i'd seat the next people and i come back and slap it in his hand he come so people sort of we passed that same final bill back and forth about just to get people to know that's how you did it

00:23:43Guest:Well, they should tip.

00:23:45Guest:Right, right.

00:23:46Guest:And we walked some nights with $200, $300.

00:23:49Guest:And remember, that's when they were doing three shows a night in the main room.

00:23:52Guest:And that seats like three, almost 400 people in there.

00:23:53Guest:Yeah, they were turning that room over, and that was the golden age.

00:23:57Guest:I mean, we were ground zero.

00:24:00Marc:You were a little before me.

00:24:01Marc:Like when I got there, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing there.

00:24:03Marc:I just knew that like, you know, I had some big ideas and I thought I was like a Mr. Drug guy.

00:24:07Marc:And I thought I was like some sort of hippie genius.

00:24:10Marc:And you were already like, you know, you were still in sort of the dice camp.

00:24:13Marc:You'd sort of pulled away from that.

00:24:14Marc:So what happened then that you get there that you get aligned with him?

00:24:17Marc:How did he fucking suck you into his world of poetry and nicknames?

00:24:22Guest:Well, because I had worked with him.

00:24:24Guest:And I had picked him up at the train station.

00:24:26Guest:He came down from New York, and I had to drive those guys out to the Ambler Cabaret out in Pennsylvania.

00:24:35Guest:Oh, before he moved to L.A.?

00:24:37Guest:Yeah, before he moved to L.A.

00:24:38Guest:And then he came down, or maybe he had moved there.

00:24:39Guest:So you were doing open mics there?

00:24:40Guest:No, but maybe he was back visiting and doing a couple one-nighters or whatever.

00:24:43Guest:But you were doing open mics?

00:24:45Guest:And I was doing open mics in Philly.

00:24:46Guest:Opening and shit?

00:24:46Guest:Yeah.

00:24:47Guest:And then I remember he went to check in his room and he didn't have a driver's license or anything.

00:24:50Guest:Right.

00:24:50Guest:So I had to put down a driver's license, a credit card, so he could get the room.

00:24:54Guest:Right.

00:24:54Guest:And that was it.

00:24:56Guest:So when I came out of here- He's a grown man with no driver's license.

00:25:01Guest:And I knew it was him and Dollface.

00:25:03Guest:Him and Dollface.

00:25:04Guest:Dollface, that was it, yeah.

00:25:05Guest:so i met him and talked with him on the show and stuff and so we spent some time so i knew him so that's how i came out here and kind of got aligned with him and but did he kind of did he take care of you in any way no no you mean you know no it's funny it's funny i was working like you i was working on bits all the time yeah yeah i came up with this like kind of street version of the wizard of oz but i remember yeah yeah you know this junkie and a you know he wanted to get an oz so i go see the deal and i i i came up with this whole idea and i i remember sitting down telling telling at the dice yeah it was like a street version

00:25:33Guest:of the Wizard of Oz.

00:25:34Guest:And I told him it, and like two nights ago, he goes, hey, come here, what do you think of this?

00:25:38Guest:Jumpstart, what do you think of this?

00:25:40Guest:And he does it back to me verbatim.

00:25:42Guest:And I said, Dice, I told you to jump two nights ago.

00:25:46Guest:You know, it was like...

00:25:48Marc:Isn't that fucking interesting that that's still that that has always gone on?

00:25:51Marc:See, that's what some people don't fucking remember is that sometimes these guys like with this whole stealing thing, especially guys that are all in their own head and they think it's all about them.

00:26:00Marc:They don't fucking know what they heard or what they thought.

00:26:03Marc:I bet you he didn't know in that moment that you just told him that.

00:26:06Guest:And the other thing is, too, is when you're immersed in it, and I mean, we were immersed in it.

00:26:10Guest:We were hanging out with comedians 24 hours a day.

00:26:12Guest:We were watching comedy 24 hours a day.

00:26:14Guest:We were always goofing off.

00:26:16Guest:I mean, you're just immersed in it.

00:26:18Guest:You're going to have a little trickle-down influence.

00:26:20Guest:I mean, whether you take a guy's bit verbatim is one thing, but you're definitely going to have your influence without question.

00:26:25Guest:The idea.

00:26:26Guest:Yeah.

00:26:26Guest:Yeah, the idea of it, or the idea splits, and then guys go, all right, well, you do it on the road.

00:26:32Guest:I'll do it in the club.

00:26:33Guest:You have your own little- But that place was also a festering hellhole of fucking sin.

00:26:37Guest:No, there's no question about it.

00:26:40Guest:I mean, man, it's so funny.

00:26:42Guest:I remember-

00:26:43Guest:Yeah.

00:26:44Guest:Here we go.

00:26:45Guest:No, no, no.

00:26:45Guest:When we were Cresto, you'd meet these chicks at the thing, and you had this girl.

00:26:50Guest:I think she was a married woman that would climb in the window.

00:26:53Guest:Oh, my God.

00:26:53Guest:She would climb in the window and have sex with you and then leave through the window.

00:26:57Guest:Yeah.

00:26:58Guest:She just climbed in.

00:26:59Guest:But then you ended up fucking her, didn't you?

00:27:02Marc:I don't know that I did.

00:27:03Marc:Did I?

00:27:04Marc:Well, I think that after a certain point, it didn't matter what window she climbed in.

00:27:08Yeah.

00:27:09Marc:As long as there was a willing participant on the other end.

00:27:13Marc:Well, no, it was so weird.

00:27:14Marc:I kind of remember that.

00:27:15Marc:Well, Crystal was this house that Mitzi owned up on the hill, and she put comics up in there.

00:27:19Marc:I was living there.

00:27:20Marc:You came in later.

00:27:20Marc:Todd Lemish was living there.

00:27:21Marc:Tamayo was upstairs.

00:27:22Marc:And generally, Sam would come up there, and we'd party up there.

00:27:25Marc:But you and I were buddies.

00:27:27Marc:And then it seemed to me that once I got sucked into the Sam world that you were like, I don't know, buddy.

00:27:32Marc:Be careful.

00:27:33Marc:And then all of a sudden, you were there.

00:27:34Marc:And then we were all in it together.

00:27:36Marc:But you're right.

00:27:37Marc:You meet people down at the club.

00:27:38Marc:Because we were so fucking... We were like gypsies and freaks.

00:27:41Marc:That world was... No one ever lived in that world.

00:27:43Marc:No one knows what the hell that world is like.

00:27:44Marc:We slept all day.

00:27:45Marc:We did drugs.

00:27:46Marc:We fucking hung out.

00:27:46Marc:We knew fucking rock stars and celebrities.

00:27:48Guest:And they would come up to the house.

00:27:50Guest:And we were kids, dude.

00:27:50Guest:We were 20 years old.

00:27:52Guest:I know.

00:27:52Guest:I mean, and you were hanging out with your guitar with Ted Nugent.

00:27:55Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:27:56Guest:And Billy Ida was there.

00:27:56Guest:And Ron Jeremy.

00:27:58Guest:And I mean, there was a truckload of freaks and hangers on peripheral people.

00:28:02Guest:And it was... I mean, there was a... You know...

00:28:04Guest:A table mirror full of bumps.

00:28:06Guest:I mean, watching this thing going, oh, my God.

00:28:09Guest:People were drinking.

00:28:10Guest:It was madness.

00:28:13Guest:But that's so funny.

00:28:14Guest:I remember that woman climbing into the window.

00:28:16Guest:Yeah, and I wasn't even supposed to be staying there.

00:28:18Guest:I mean, I had nowhere else to go.

00:28:20Guest:I would have been on the street.

00:28:20Guest:Oh, that's right.

00:28:21Marc:That's right.

00:28:22Guest:I just kind of set up.

00:28:23Marc:You weren't paying rent.

00:28:24Marc:You stayed up in that front room.

00:28:25Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:28:26Marc:And Nancy Redman moved into that other room.

00:28:28Marc:Oh, God.

00:28:29Yeah.

00:28:29Guest:Yeah, who's probably not doing stand-up any longer.

00:28:32Marc:I don't know what she's doing.

00:28:33Marc:I bet she probably is doing stand-up.

00:28:35Guest:Well, I got news for you, dude.

00:28:36Guest:Yeah, but that was a site you'd roll over, and she'd be in a bra and panties getting there.

00:28:41Guest:And that obese boyfriend that she had, I think that he was shot or something, that guy.

00:28:45Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:28:45Guest:In New York.

00:28:46Guest:Oh, you know what?

00:28:46Guest:You're right.

00:28:47Guest:That's right.

00:28:47Guest:You mentioned that.

00:28:48Guest:Yeah, he gets shot and killed.

00:28:49Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she was such a freak.

00:28:52Marc:Oh, my God.

00:28:53Marc:It's all coming back to me.

00:28:55Guest:Yeah, and then, you know, but, I mean, you're right.

00:28:59Guest:We were crazy.

00:29:00Guest:I mean, we'd be up all night.

00:29:02Guest:Yeah, with Rod, Rodney.

00:29:04Guest:Rod Blackman.

00:29:05Guest:Yeah.

00:29:05Guest:It's so funny.

00:29:06Guest:The first time I did mushrooms,

00:29:08Guest:was with you and Rod Blackman.

00:29:10Guest:We had a good day.

00:29:11Guest:That's right.

00:29:11Guest:We had a great day, and we started doing them.

00:29:13Guest:I remember I'd never done mushrooms before, and I was like, oh, man, you're going to love these, man.

00:29:16Guest:You're going to love them.

00:29:17Guest:And Rod's going, all right, man.

00:29:18Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:19Guest:And we had planned the whole day.

00:29:20Guest:Yeah.

00:29:20Guest:And I remember we just started getting off going, oh, this is great.

00:29:22Guest:This is great.

00:29:23Guest:And then out of nowhere, out of the blue, Sam shows up.

00:29:26Guest:Kennison pops in.

00:29:27Guest:Pops in like he was a trip coach.

00:29:29Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:30Guest:He goes, oh, you guys are doing mushrooms.

00:29:31Guest:Oh, you're gonna love him, man.

00:29:33Guest:And just as he was saying stuff, you were like, time's gonna seem to go by real slow.

00:29:37Guest:Oh, my God, it's going by real slow.

00:29:40Guest:Then you pull out a joint, and he was great.

00:29:41Guest:He goes, no, let's get it.

00:29:42Guest:You guys are gonna just get off, smoke this joint, and it's gonna make everything all right.

00:29:46Guest:And we're like, all right, man.

00:29:47Guest:But it was like that.

00:29:48Guest:And it was, I mean, I swear, man, we had the best day just laughing.

00:29:52Guest:I know that we went, worked.

00:29:54Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:29:55Guest:Back to the store.

00:29:56Guest:Yeah, but we did it at like 2 o'clock at the end.

00:29:57Guest:By that time, at 9 o'clock, we could go down.

00:29:59Guest:I forgot that Sam showed up and was actually kind and giving.

00:30:02Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:30:03Guest:Well, you know, man.

00:30:04Guest:I mean, he was, you know... He definitely understood that world.

00:30:08Guest:Yeah, yeah, but you're right.

00:30:09Guest:I mean, he had his moments of that kind of, you know, behavior.

00:30:13Guest:I mean, he's, you know...

00:30:14Marc:I remember the one moment where he pulled out something that looked like a jar this big, like a jelly jar with cocaine in it.

00:30:22Marc:And we're standing in one of the rooms at Cresthill.

00:30:24Marc:He's like, you want to bump?

00:30:24Marc:And I'm like, yeah, what do you want me to do?

00:30:26Marc:Where should I do it?

00:30:27Marc:And he said, put your thumb in between your finger like that.

00:30:30Marc:I learned that from the mob.

00:30:32Marc:I'm like, okay, I don't even know if I want to know the rest of that story.

00:30:35Yeah.

00:30:35Guest:Yeah, I mean, it was, but I remember, you would sit around that table.

00:30:39Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:30:40Guest:And me and you, of all the guys that were up there hanging on, I mean, we would talk about comedy till all hours of the night.

00:30:46Guest:I know.

00:30:46Guest:What do you think about this?

00:30:47Guest:I know.

00:30:47Guest:Sam explained his little burn.

00:30:49Guest:I mean, were we better people for it?

00:30:51Guest:Probably not.

00:30:52Guest:But I mean, you know, we were interested.

00:30:54Guest:We were willing to learn, man.

00:30:56Guest:And how did you come over?

00:30:58Guest:And what do you do for that?

00:30:59Guest:Well, that's funny.

00:31:00Guest:That was your agenda.

00:31:01Marc:Mine was like, what does Satan look like?

00:31:03Marc:I thought he was some sort of black magician, some sort of wizard that had secret fucking wisdom.

00:31:08Guest:Nah, he was just a douchebag like everybody else.

00:31:10Guest:Just a fucking comic.

00:31:11Guest:Just a flawed fucking human being with fucking problems just like the rest of us.

00:31:16Marc:It's weird because when all that shit hit the fan, you guys, you were doing your shit and you always said, I remember when we'd talk and we'd just riff and you'd go off on these fucking wild tangents and shit.

00:31:28Marc:It was all really good times and we felt like a brotherhood.

00:31:31Marc:Then things got weird.

00:31:32Guest:Yeah.

00:31:33Guest:You know what the thing is, man?

00:31:34Guest:I agree with you.

00:31:35Guest:I was thinking about it because I remember we had a great, it was a great time.

00:31:38Guest:It was a great time to be that age.

00:31:40Guest:We were at ground zero in the middle of this comedy boom.

00:31:42Guest:We got to watch all these great comedians.

00:31:44Guest:I mean, Jim Carrey and Damon Wayans and these guys, and none of them were anybody yet.

00:31:48Marc:They were just kind of like, well, Jim, you know, Carrey came after, you know, before me and Roseanne came before me.

00:31:53Marc:I saw Damon.

00:31:54Marc:I saw Pryor a couple of times, but you must've been there.

00:31:56Marc:When did you get out there?

00:31:57Marc:Like 85, like the January of 85.

00:31:58Marc:Right, so I came out in, like, 87.

00:32:00Marc:So you, like, you know, you saw Roseanne before she broke?

00:32:04Marc:Yeah.

00:32:05Guest:Well, you know what's funny?

00:32:06Guest:She came out, and she did the original room and blew it out.

00:32:09Guest:She did, she drug her right over to the main room, blew it out.

00:32:11Guest:I mean, she was phenomenal.

00:32:12Guest:But she was out there, and she would tell Sam, I'm the female, you know?

00:32:16Guest:And Sam was like, hey, you know?

00:32:18Guest:And I think he took her upstairs, and I think she...

00:32:22Guest:Blue Sam upstairs.

00:32:24Guest:Yeah, you know I mean and she was hanging out you know and then she passed the test Oh, no, she was like one of us.

00:32:30Guest:I mean she was like a real common no question about in you fucker.

00:32:33Guest:What's that?

00:32:33Guest:No III you know, it's funny You know, I remember Sam goes hey, you were boss again goes hey

00:32:40Guest:Hey, man, you do me a favor?

00:32:41Guest:Yeah.

00:32:41Guest:I said, well, he goes, this girl, Roseanne, she's drunk.

00:32:43Guest:I mean, could you give her a ride?

00:32:45Guest:I said, yeah, where's Sheila?

00:32:46Guest:He said, Olympic Boulevard.

00:32:48Guest:I didn't know LA.

00:32:49Guest:I didn't realize there were two Olympic Boulevards.

00:32:51Guest:Yeah.

00:32:51Guest:So the Olympic I'm on trying to drop her off at, she couldn't find out where she lived.

00:32:55Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:32:56Guest:I was renting a house.

00:32:57Guest:Yeah.

00:32:57Guest:I was renting a room in a house, and this woman was a member of Mensa.

00:33:01Guest:Yeah.

00:33:02Guest:And part of my thing was no overnight gas.

00:33:03Guest:And here I got this drunk Roseanne.

00:33:05Guest:I can't find her.

00:33:07Guest:And I go, shh.

00:33:07She got to be quiet.

00:33:10Guest:You know what I mean?

00:33:11Guest:And then she gets in there and I go, well, you can sleep on the floor.

00:33:13Guest:I mean, I wasn't going to just leave her there.

00:33:15Guest:I mean, I didn't know, you know, there were no cell phones back then.

00:33:18Guest:I didn't know what to do.

00:33:19Guest:I was going to leave her there.

00:33:20Guest:So I figured I'd get her up in the morning.

00:33:22Guest:I'd take her to the bus stop.

00:33:23Guest:She could work from there or call up whoever she knew.

00:33:25Guest:And she was drunk and I got in the grave for bed and she kind of grabbed me.

00:33:29Guest:Yeah.

00:33:29Guest:A little mouth-to-south resuscitation, you know what I'm saying?

00:33:32Guest:Yeah, but... Hey, what are you... Hey, Ro.

00:33:37Guest:No, I'm not judging.

00:33:39Guest:It's different times.

00:33:40Guest:We're comics.

00:33:41Guest:Yeah, we're comics, Ro.

00:33:42Guest:I mean, really, at that point, I was just trying to... I was nobody, you know what I mean?

00:33:49Guest:I was staying in this house.

00:33:50Guest:I mean, she went on to do the Tonight Show up.

00:33:52Guest:Several weeks later.

00:33:54Guest:I remember I went to the comedy store later that night and she was there.

00:33:58Guest:I said, hey, come here for a minute.

00:33:59Guest:Mind if I talk to you?

00:34:00Guest:She goes, yeah, what?

00:34:01Guest:I said, not a word.

00:34:02Guest:Not a word.

00:34:05Guest:Not a word.

00:34:06Guest:No, but I mean, you know, it was what it was.

00:34:09Guest:And again, that was like so long ago.

00:34:12Guest:But you were there when Jim Carrey was there too?

00:34:14Guest:Yeah, I remember Jim.

00:34:16Guest:Jim used to come around and, you know, he was, I think he had hung out.

00:34:20Guest:I think he had long let go all that kind of.

00:34:22Guest:So he was already a star.

00:34:24Guest:Yeah, he was already a star.

00:34:25Guest:I mean, I used to watch him in the main room get standing ovations.

00:34:27Guest:He would do these faces and stuff.

00:34:29Marc:Yeah, there were guys that, like, I used to fucking love watch Damon Wayans.

00:34:33Marc:I remember when I had to drive people over to the fucking airport so they could do the comedy store in the dunes, and we'd been up all fucking night, and I'm sweating, you know, fucking chemicals.

00:34:40Marc:And one night I had to drive Mendoza and Campanera to the fucking airport, and, like, I'm barely staying awake, there was no gas in the car, and they were like, what the fuck is going, what the fuck is wrong with you, you asshole, we gotta be, you know,

00:34:52Marc:It was awful.

00:34:53Guest:Yeah, dude.

00:34:54Guest:And I was like, when I had to pick up the limo, Mitzi had the limo that you'd use to take the comics back.

00:34:59Guest:And I remember specifically when she came back from Dunes, I picked her up at the airport in a limo and got the bags in.

00:35:06Guest:She goes, well, I'm going to go check out this address because I'm going to write a book and I'm going to go look at this piece of property and you're going to take me.

00:35:14Guest:And I said, oh, okay.

00:35:15Guest:And what did that mean?

00:35:17Guest:Well, that was the day it happened.

00:35:18Guest:That was the... Oh.

00:35:20Guest:So I'm driving, and I can't find the address.

00:35:23Guest:I'm going back and forth.

00:35:25Guest:Can you smoke pot and dry?

00:35:26Guest:Yeah, yeah, I can smoke pot and dry.

00:35:28Guest:And, you know, so we pull over, and, you know, get a little high.

00:35:32Guest:And I stop at that store and get some drink, and get some, like, you know, get some Calista and water.

00:35:39Guest:And then, you know, we're...

00:35:45Guest:In the back of the limo.

00:35:47Guest:Yeah.

00:35:47Guest:And, you know, Mitzi was, you know, I just, you know, she grabbed me.

00:35:53Guest:And I said, you know, she had me in her mouth.

00:35:57Guest:Yeah.

00:35:57Guest:And I go, oh, my God.

00:35:59Guest:I remember the thought in my head going, oh, my God, I'm fucking comedy right in the face.

00:36:04Guest:You know?

00:36:06Guest:It was so horrible.

00:36:08Guest:The history of comedy is on my dick.

00:36:11Guest:No, and then after that, I got back in the car.

00:36:14Guest:I drove down to Alice's restaurant.

00:36:17Guest:I took her to dinner.

00:36:17Guest:I did the right thing, and I dropped her off that night.

00:36:20Guest:And I was so like, what do I do?

00:36:22Guest:I mean, that really messed with me.

00:36:23Marc:Because you didn't know whether it was going to fuck you or not.

00:36:25Guest:Well, yeah, exactly, exactly.

00:36:26Marc:Like, you know, you might have just made the biggest mistake in your life.

00:36:29Guest:Yeah, you know, and I will say this, and Mitzi has always been very good to me, and always been very sweet to me, and has always taken care of me, and she's, you know, so I tell the story because it's, you know, people want to know, obviously, but certainly, I mean... But the weird thing is, she always dated comics.

00:36:46Marc:I mean, you know, she had a long relationship with Steve Landisberg, and Danny Stone, which who knows, that was a little dubious.

00:36:52Marc:And they...

00:36:53Marc:Argus Hamilton.

00:36:55Marc:Well, the story about that is, and I imagine people would be interested, that Argus used to date Mitzi.

00:37:01Marc:And the reason Sam Kennison became what he was is he was just a door guy.

00:37:05Marc:That's right.

00:37:05Marc:And apparently Argus was wasted and fucked up and was like choking Mitzi.

00:37:09Marc:Is that how the story goes?

00:37:10Guest:Exactly.

00:37:11Guest:And Sam knocked him off of her.

00:37:13Guest:Right.

00:37:13Guest:And that was the joke.

00:37:15Guest:He became a paid regular after that.

00:37:17Guest:Right.

00:37:17Marc:And she gave him the Santa Monica Comedy Store to manage.

00:37:20Guest:The Westwood.

00:37:20Marc:Westwood, right.

00:37:21Guest:Yeah, and that was a joke.

00:37:22Guest:Missy's life is only worth 25 bucks a night on spots, but that's what they say.

00:37:27Guest:But that's what they say.

00:37:29Marc:God, the fucking history of that place is so wild because we came in the middle of it later almost.

00:37:35Marc:You know what I mean?

00:37:36Guest:Well, you know, and obviously there was the comedian strike.

00:37:39Guest:Yeah.

00:37:39Guest:I mean, which is kind of a pivotal thing in the history of comedy.

00:37:42Guest:If you think about it for a minute because the guys would not, she wasn't paying anybody and they never paid comedians.

00:37:46Guest:Yeah.

00:37:46Guest:You know, but I mean, that strike was pivotal because they held out

00:37:50Guest:For the rights to get paid.

00:37:52Marc:Yeah.

00:37:52Guest:Up until then, nobody was getting paid anything.

00:37:54Guest:But it made a difference not only in Los Angeles, but it made a difference around the country.

00:37:58Guest:Right.

00:37:59Guest:As far as comedians getting paid.

00:38:00Guest:Yeah.

00:38:00Marc:So then what happens is I have the big falling out with Sam because of the Satanist guy.

00:38:05Marc:And then everything gets all fucking crazy.

00:38:07Marc:Yeah.

00:38:07Marc:Right?

00:38:08Marc:And I remember all that.

00:38:09Marc:I remember exactly what happened.

00:38:10Marc:I've told this story on the podcast before.

00:38:11Marc:And I remember like...

00:38:13Marc:Because I was so coked out of my brain, so psychotic.

00:38:16Marc:There was that night where I was in the Comedy Store parking lot.

00:38:18Marc:Oh, yeah, dude.

00:38:18Marc:And you know what's the funny thing is you were... Freaking out.

00:38:21Guest:Yeah, yeah, but you were nuts, though.

00:38:22Guest:I mean, you know, you would go, ah, let's go get another one.

00:38:25Guest:Yeah, I know.

00:38:25Guest:Like, I'm going to go, ah, let's calm down a little bit.

00:38:28Guest:But you, you know, you kind of get all caught up, but you're right.

00:38:30Marc:Dude, I remember the night where I went with fucking Majid.

00:38:33Marc:You know that you know he was the dude who got the coke for everybody and like he had you know We ran out at some night, and I just remember this moment because it was so fucking insane I know what are you talking about where he tore the piece of magazine?

00:38:43Guest:That's right there are two fingers in through in the thing I did up sucked I was folded up and put it in like he like like and I remember you telling me going That should be in a movie that's seen what that was what what happened was like he goes I'm gonna go I'm gonna go get some shit I'm like I'll take it because I wanted to see what you know where does he go?

00:38:59Marc:Where does it happen?

00:39:00Marc:Yeah, and it's like fucking three in the morning, and we drive to like, I don't even remember the neighborhood.

00:39:05Marc:I don't remember, like there was a lot of rides I took back then that I don't remember where, and I was driving.

00:39:10Marc:So I'm waiting in the car, I'm like, I don't know what the fuck is going on, right?

00:39:13Marc:So he comes out, before he goes in, he rips out a page of a magazine, right, that I had in the car.

00:39:18Marc:He comes back, and he opens the page of the magazine, there's gotta be a half an ounce in there, at least.

00:39:23Marc:And everybody had asked him for half grams and grams.

00:39:26Marc:So all of a sudden he's ripping corners off the magazine, folding them into bindles, using his fingers to fucking just eyeball.

00:39:32Guest:Measure it, eyeball it.

00:39:33Marc:Yeah, eyeball it.

00:39:33Marc:And he's folding it up.

00:39:34Marc:And I'm like, this is how it's done?

00:39:35Marc:No scales or nothing?

00:39:36Marc:And then he dips his two fingers in like fucking Scarface.

00:39:40Marc:He just takes a scoop of blow and he goes...

00:39:43Marc:and then he looks at me he goes you want some and i'm like i'm in i'm in you know and i fucking do a pop like that i'm like this is the life i have arrived i'm out with the drug dealer in the middle of nowhere eyeballing half grams and doing coke with two fingers yeah all right so i lose my mind yeah you you were just

00:40:01Guest:Like that.

00:40:02Guest:And I kept telling you, even then, I kept saying, don't get too close to this.

00:40:05Guest:Because, you know, the funny thing, I remember just hearing these guys talk about the, say all the thing, never deny or confirm.

00:40:12Marc:I realized it was all bullshit.

00:40:13Marc:Okay, let's talk about that a minute.

00:40:14Marc:That was their big fucking tagline, never deny, never confirm.

00:40:17Guest:Yeah, never, yeah, yeah.

00:40:18Marc:What does that even mean?

00:40:18Guest:I don't know, but like people said, you know, Sam was a cat.

00:40:21Guest:They sacrificed cats on the roof of the comedy store.

00:40:24Guest:Oh, that's right.

00:40:25Guest:They drank animal blood.

00:40:26Guest:He let the myth build.

00:40:26Guest:And you heard all this, these stories.

00:40:29Guest:Pull the other leg and plays jingle bells, okay?

00:40:31Guest:Never deny and confirm, which means it never happened.

00:40:33Marc:You know what I mean?

00:40:34Marc:But at that point, you always said never get too close, but the weird thing that struck me about it at the time, if we're going to bury Hatchets, is that like somewhere along the line, you sort of got sucked in.

00:40:44Marc:I did.

00:40:44Marc:And like-

00:40:45Marc:That's right.

00:40:47Guest:I did.

00:40:47Marc:And that moment where I'm having a nervous breakdown because they kicked me out of the group because some idiot swept up my guitars.

00:40:52Marc:I don't want to tell that story again.

00:40:53Marc:I've told it too many times.

00:40:54Marc:I just remember being in the parking lot of the comedy store yelling, breaking glasses.

00:40:59Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:40:59Marc:And you come out.

00:40:59Marc:You're like, dude, dude, just calm down, man.

00:41:02Marc:It'll be fine.

00:41:03Marc:I'm like, you're one of them.

00:41:04Marc:Fuck you.

00:41:05Marc:You're one of them.

00:41:06Guest:Yeah.

00:41:06Guest:No, and man, I really felt for you.

00:41:09Guest:I really did because, I mean, you know, and I just said, it's going to be all right, man.

00:41:14Guest:It's just, you know, it was just, I said, it's going to be all right.

00:41:17Guest:It's all horseshit.

00:41:19Guest:It's going to be okay.

00:41:21Guest:Don't worry.

00:41:21Guest:But I mean, you know, it's like, you know, and it was all, and Sam was just drinking and doing that.

00:41:27Guest:I mean, he wasn't a rational human being at all.

00:41:29Marc:But, you know, he had that weird magnanimous sort of like, you know, when you were part of that thing, you felt like you were part of something.

00:41:34Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:41:34Marc:I mean, that was the fucking thing about it is like, you're like, you know, we're in the secret world.

00:41:39Marc:You know, we got Sam on our team.

00:41:40Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:41:41Guest:And I think the only thing that kept me, I had a day job.

00:41:45Guest:I had to get up and go to everything.

00:41:46Guest:If I partied till two, and I remember laying there with my card and my chest, I still had to get up and go to the day job at eight o'clock.

00:41:53Guest:And there was days I went.

00:41:54Marc:Where the fuck were you working?

00:41:55Guest:A law firm?

00:41:55Guest:A law firm in a mailroom.

00:41:56Guest:I don't remember.

00:41:57Guest:In West, and I had to go.

00:41:59Guest:Holy shit.

00:41:59Guest:So I couldn't really get, I mean, as much as I'm going to go, hey, let's get crazy.

00:42:02Guest:I still had to do that to pay, so I had money.

00:42:05Guest:But I remember, and I was just trying to tell you, look, it's going to be okay.

00:42:09Guest:This is all, you know what I mean?

00:42:12Guest:But they did that to a lot of people, and Sam was out of control at that time.

00:42:16Marc:He liked fucking killing the competition.

00:42:18Marc:He was a bully.

00:42:19Marc:Right, yeah.

00:42:20Guest:He was a bully, man.

00:42:20Marc:And if he couldn't trust you, he would take you down.

00:42:23Marc:Yeah.

00:42:23Marc:Well, I remember the one time, that was a great moment, when they were watching the HBO special over at Carl's apartment.

00:42:28Guest:Yeah, yeah, I remember.

00:42:29Guest:We were all over there watching that.

00:42:30Marc:But you drove over in the car with me and Belzer, right?

00:42:33Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:42:33Marc:Well, that was that weird moment, because Belzer's like, are you guys going to go over there?

00:42:37Marc:Because I'll go if you go.

00:42:38Marc:And we're like, yeah, fuck yeah.

00:42:39Marc:So we got into that Eldorado of his.

00:42:41Marc:We smoked that fucking pot that he used to call the hammer.

00:42:43Marc:Remember?

00:42:44Marc:You got any pot?

00:42:45Marc:I got the hammer.

00:42:45Marc:He'd do that little thing with his hand.

00:42:47Marc:The hammer.

00:42:47Marc:I got the hammer.

00:42:48Marc:Yeah.

00:42:49Marc:So we get all fucking high.

00:42:50Marc:Do you remember when we're driving up to Carl's and Sam's crossing the street with that slut that he was going out with and fucking Belzer guns it and Sam didn't realize who it was at first and he looked like he was terrified, like he was about hit by a car and he comes around to the window.

00:43:03Marc:Belzer rolls down the window and Sam goes, oh, it's you.

00:43:05Marc:And Belzer says, yeah, I did that to Belushi once.

00:43:08Marc:Remember what happened to him?

00:43:09Marc:Oh, that's so funny.

00:43:10Marc:And there was just like this weird guy.

00:43:11Guest:intense moment i remember the night he crashed his vet he crashed the vet and we were in the recording studio with um when was that that was after i left no this is after you left but yeah he was in the and he was drinking and doing bumps and a recording with cheap trick yeah uh a song for the album yeah and sam was hammered he was hammered it's like and he's going and they're going hey let's take you home sam let us take you home

00:43:35Guest:And he jumps in the car with CeCe DeVille.

00:43:41Guest:Why even CeCe got in the car with him?

00:43:43Guest:He was nuts.

00:43:43Guest:He was driving that black vet that said X-Rev on the back of it.

00:43:46Guest:I remember that, yeah.

00:43:47Guest:And, you know, he jumps in his car and takes off.

00:43:50Guest:And I'm going, oh, God.

00:43:52Guest:So I get in my car at Chiselka.

00:43:54Guest:And I said, look, we've got to find out this kid named Mike Chiselka.

00:43:57Guest:And we followed him.

00:43:58Guest:And, dude, we come around to Ben and that thing is up on two wheels between a...

00:44:03Guest:a telephone pole and a hill, and I'm going, and Sam's trying to get out, and he can't.

00:44:08Guest:Selka pops the window when he climbs out, but during the climbing out of it, he drops an eight ball, and CeCe jumps in my car, and we take off.

00:44:15Guest:He just left the car there?

00:44:16Guest:Yeah, left the car there, bro.

00:44:18Guest:No, bro, there's no way he's staying in his condition, trust me.

00:44:21Guest:I just walked home.

00:44:23Guest:We're down there watching the cops and stuff.

00:44:26Guest:He goes, what are we going to do?

00:44:27Guest:I don't know, bro.

00:44:28Guest:You're watching them with binoculars?

00:44:29Guest:Yeah, yeah, down from the hill.

00:44:30Guest:You just drove up the hill with the binoculars?

00:44:32Guest:I drove up in his house and through the back of his house, you could see the street that was a little below, and you could see the cops show up and stuff like that.

00:44:40Guest:And there was bodyguard going, yeah, yeah, I was driving that night.

00:44:43Guest:I lost control.

00:44:43Guest:I just figured we'd get to- That's such a fucking classic Hollywood story.

00:44:46Marc:Which bodyguard?

00:44:47Guest:Gene, the tall guy.

00:44:49Guest:I don't know if I knew Gene.

00:44:50Guest:He was an ex-cop, and he said, he goes, yeah, so you were driving?

00:44:53Guest:He goes, yeah.

00:44:54Guest:He goes, whose eight ball was it by the car?

00:44:55Guest:He goes, well, that.

00:44:56Guest:You guys didn't pick up the eight ball?

00:44:57Guest:No, Sam didn't.

00:44:58Guest:That's how you knew we were in a hurry.

00:45:01Guest:But anyway, and then there was that night.

00:45:04Guest:Actually, it's so funny because I was like, I don't know if you were there.

00:45:07Guest:Were you there the night I drove him off stage in the motorcycle?

00:45:09Marc:Well, no, that was before I got there.

00:45:11Marc:That was sort of what got you in with him.

00:45:13Marc:When I met you, I was there with you the day that they took your cast off and you thought you could walk.

00:45:19Marc:Yeah.

00:45:19Marc:And we went walking and you got all pale and pasty and you're like, I don't think I'm ready yet.

00:45:23Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:24Guest:You know what's so funny?

00:45:25Guest:I remember my brother was out here.

00:45:26Guest:We were staying at the Hyatt next door.

00:45:28Guest:Yeah.

00:45:28Guest:And the guy said, yeah, just three months.

00:45:30Guest:This was like, you know, it was almost like a year and a half, two years.

00:45:33Marc:You had pins and everything.

00:45:34Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:45:34Marc:How'd you wreck the thing?

00:45:35Guest:Some guy hit me.

00:45:36Guest:I was just driving.

00:45:37Guest:I was the runner at the Comedy Store, and my car was in the shop that day, so I just took my little thing, and there was some construction, and some old guy wasn't paying attention, and just kind of backed out and kind of pulled across and just kind of tagged me, and it was pretty bad, but...

00:45:50Guest:But, you know, I almost lost my leg.

00:45:52Guest:I mean, thank God I had a good surgeon who saved it and they had to do a bone graft and they put, you know, eventually later on put a pin in it and stuff like that.

00:45:58Guest:But that was a really tough time.

00:45:59Guest:But I remember, you know, it's so funny that I remember me and my brother cut it off and I was trying to walk and stuff.

00:46:04Guest:And I'm walking down and Richard Pryor had been going to the comedy store.

00:46:08Guest:You know, and I started walking out and I'm just kind of walking out.

00:46:11Guest:And it's so funny, Pryor had just parked his car, this little Ferrari there.

00:46:14Guest:And I just, it was like a timing thing.

00:46:16Guest:And I'm just coming out of my leg and he sees I'm trying to walk.

00:46:19Guest:And he goes, hey, you okay?

00:46:20Guest:I go, yeah, I just got my cast off.

00:46:22Guest:And we just had this, a man prior walk from the front of the Hyatt over to the comic store and just had this great conversation.

00:46:28Guest:He goes, yeah, I got a motorcycle.

00:46:29Guest:I said, well, get rid of it, man, because flesh and bone is still in concrete, don't mix.

00:46:32Guest:And he goes, yeah, yeah.

00:46:33Guest:And we just had this great little...

00:46:34Guest:And he walks up to the Comedy Store and we just go, hi.

00:46:38Guest:And he kind of walked in, he came back, he goes, Richard, man.

00:46:40Guest:I said, Jimmy, nice to meet you.

00:46:42Guest:But I mean, it was like this coolest moment.

00:46:43Guest:My brother was cool enough to actually hold back a couple of the guys who was going, oh, that's Richard Pryor, man.

00:46:48Guest:It was just, it was just the coolest thing, man.

00:46:50Guest:It was a very human moment, but it was just one of those moments that you could have at the Comedy Store at that time.

00:46:55Guest:Where you had, I mean, you know, they say what you want, but you had, there was, we talked about the craziness and the nuttiness, but there were some really cool moments, man.

00:47:03Guest:When you were, like you said, you know, we were out there and we were working on the craft.

00:47:07Guest:I mean, we were going up.

00:47:08Marc:And everybody, they're just people at the comedy store.

00:47:10Marc:Like, you know, if you're a comic and you can go in the kitchen, you could hang out with Pryor, you could hang out with Robin, you could hang out with whoever's in the kitchen.

00:47:16Marc:You know, you could try to get your two cents in, but you're still right there.

00:47:18Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:47:19Guest:I remember when I was working at a door and you'd watch Shandling and stuff like that.

00:47:22Guest:I used to watch Shandling.

00:47:23Guest:You know, the great thing about that is you can watch the best guys in the country.

00:47:26Guest:We were kids out there at Ground Zero at the comic school and we were trading punchlines at the best guys in the country.

00:47:30Guest:Sure.

00:47:31Guest:And, you know, I was watching at a door and I'd watch and I knew he was working on some stuff and he'd come up with a line.

00:47:35Guest:He goes, what do you think of that?

00:47:36Guest:I go, I thought, you know, he said, maybe they flashed the blights at me like they, like he was talking about having like thick contact.

00:47:42Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:42Guest:They were so thick people were flashing their high beams.

00:47:44Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:47:45Guest:That's a, you know.

00:47:45Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:47:46Guest:But I mean, and then, you know, you talk about, you know,

00:47:48Guest:I mean, even Paul Mooney.

00:47:50Marc:Yeah.

00:47:52Marc:Paul Mooney, God, he'd always go on last and he'd sit there and you kind of like, you wonder when it was going to be over.

00:47:56Guest:No, but he was, I watched him.

00:47:58Marc:Sam used to like watch Paul Mooney.

00:48:00Marc:Everybody liked to watch Mooney.

00:48:00Guest:Yeah, because he was such like a, he was an unbelievable comic.

00:48:03Guest:I mean, I never saw anybody who would get the audience to love him and hate him and love him and hate him and fall in love with him and stuff.

00:48:08Guest:And it was just, I mean, he was like, you know, you talk about a legend.

00:48:11Guest:I mean, he was one of those guys.

00:48:12Marc:And he was always like the guy at the end too.

00:48:13Guest:Yeah, yeah, and I would sit there and watch him.

00:48:15Guest:I actually really watched him and really kind of grew him.

00:48:19Guest:I go, this guy's amazing.

00:48:20Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah, and when you worked the door, you watched everybody.

00:48:23Marc:Yeah.

00:48:23Marc:Yeah, it was fucking amazing.

00:48:24Guest:It was an education unto itself that, you know, that... And we went on to run our lives into the ground.

00:48:30Guest:But, you know, it's funny because you think about this.

00:48:34Guest:I mean, you know, this wasn't even a viable occupation, you know, and not like there was what it was in like 1975 with like three or four, maybe five or six.

00:48:42Guest:What?

00:48:42Guest:Maybe let's say 10 comedy clubs in America.

00:48:44Guest:Yeah.

00:48:45Guest:You know, in 1975, there's about 10 comedy clubs in America.

00:48:48Guest:Yeah.

00:48:48Guest:And now look at it.

00:48:49Guest:I mean, it's like, you know, you can make your living doing it now.

00:48:51Guest:Yeah.

00:48:51Marc:I'm going to have it.

00:48:52Marc:There's a club in here later tonight.

00:48:54Marc:Yeah.

00:48:54Marc:You're opening is that all right?

00:48:56Marc:That's all right, man.

00:48:56Marc:No, but the motorcycle thing.

00:48:58Marc:What was that?

00:48:59Marc:What happened you like I remember it was do you wrote no?

00:49:01Guest:Well, I was I was I was sleeping with Mitzi and I wanted to get out of it I was doing whatever I could to get out of it for her to go.

00:49:08Guest:That's too much you get out now, right?

00:49:10Guest:So at that point I didn't care it was I you know I was just became sad yeah it was

00:49:16Guest:No, but so I was sitting there, and I remember I was on my motorcycle.

00:49:21Guest:I remember driving backstage on the motorcycle.

00:49:23Guest:I was sitting backstage on the motorcycle, and Sam was on stage, and it's the Monday night when he would go up late.

00:49:28Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:49:28Guest:Rock and roll night.

00:49:29Guest:Rock and roll night and porn stars and everybody, and he's going on, and I cut.

00:49:33Guest:He got off now.

00:49:35Guest:He's late.

00:49:35Guest:He got off now to die bar.

00:49:36Marc:Kirk, he was telling to get off, get Sam off.

00:49:39Guest:Get on stage.

00:49:39Marc:Because they're ready to close.

00:49:40Guest:Yeah.

00:49:40Guest:So I remember I started my motorcycle, and the guy goes, you going to go out there?

00:49:45Guest:And I said, I don't know.

00:49:46Guest:I was just kind of like just starting up to like, hey, wrap up the show.

00:49:49Guest:And you're in the building.

00:49:50Guest:Yeah, I'm in the building.

00:49:50Guest:I'm right behind the curtain.

00:49:52Guest:And he goes, well, if you go out there, you need a joke.

00:49:55Guest:I said, what's he at?

00:49:55Guest:He goes, it's last call.

00:49:57Guest:By the way, your ride's here.

00:49:58Guest:So I had a long trench.

00:49:59Guest:Who gave you that line, Biff?

00:50:00Guest:Yeah, Biff.

00:50:01Guest:Yeah, I had a long trench coat and I had my mirror inside.

00:50:04Guest:And he's going, what's going on?

00:50:07Guest:And you had to go down those three steps.

00:50:09Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:09Guest:Right in front.

00:50:10Guest:I said, it's last call.

00:50:12Guest:I said, by the way, your ride's here.

00:50:14Guest:And I didn't know at the time, but he was so thoroughly scared to death of motorcycles because he fell off the back of one when his brother had one when they were a kid, like a minibike.

00:50:22Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:23Guest:But he's in front now.

00:50:24Guest:You've got a whole room full of people.

00:50:25Guest:There's a guy who rides here.

00:50:27Guest:What's going on?

00:50:28Guest:What's going on?

00:50:29Guest:and he throws down the microphone, and he jumps in the back, and I pop it in the gear, and I had to hit those three steps.

00:50:34Guest:Again, popping in the gear.

00:50:36Guest:I made it over those three steps.

00:50:37Guest:I could have stopped there, but I made the turn.

00:50:39Guest:And I'm going down the hallway.

00:50:41Guest:Down the hallway, there's a bunch of people.

00:50:42Guest:I go, get out of the way.

00:50:43Guest:People are jumping into the dressing room.

00:50:45Guest:And I remember the back doors, and I just, and I had to go down three steps almost, and boom, right down the center.

00:50:52Guest:And I didn't even look.

00:50:53Guest:I mean, we could have been killed.

00:50:54Guest:I had no, but boom, right out.

00:50:56Guest:And Sam is going to have like a death grip on my way.

00:50:58Guest:and i get out i get out we made it out i remember turning around at la siena guy we had to turn around and he finally that's going goes you're a crazy motherfucker and i remember we pull up and about 30 people 40 people on the bike go outside the village they all come running out to the sidewalk

00:51:19Guest:And I remember pulling up, and I turn, and Sam jumps off the bike, and I just dropped in the gear.

00:51:24Guest:I went home after that.

00:51:25Guest:I didn't even think about it.

00:51:26Guest:I thought, ah, that's pretty cool.

00:51:28Guest:Two weeks go by, and I don't see Sam.

00:51:30Guest:You know, he was on tour doing something.

00:51:32Guest:I remember I come back to the comedy store.

00:51:33Guest:Jimmy Schubert, you crazy motherfucker.

00:51:35Guest:Get out here.

00:51:36Guest:And I walk in the back, and he's standing with Ray Newman and Randy Quaid, and he told the story.

00:51:41Guest:Randy Newman?

00:51:42Guest:Lorraine Newman.

00:51:42Guest:Sorry.

00:51:43Guest:I did a crisscross.

00:51:44Guest:That's right.

00:51:46Guest:And he's telling them the story.

00:51:47Guest:And the way he told it, I was like,

00:51:49Guest:Oh, yeah, I guess it is pretty cool.

00:51:50Marc:What did he tell us?

00:51:51Guest:Well, he just told the same story, but he embellished it and this, that.

00:51:55Marc:You mean he didn't portray himself as a scared bitch who was hanging on for zero life?

00:52:01Guest:Exactly, exactly.

00:52:02Guest:But it was... You got to give him that, right?

00:52:05Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:52:06Guest:Sure, that's how it happens, Sammy.

00:52:09Yeah.

00:52:10Marc:but what happened after like because like when i left i mean i was nuts i mean i had really you know i was psychotic and it took me a long time to shake it and i just left i mean i was out of touch with everybody i don't think i saw you uh again for a long time i told you i said to you that night we talked about it later on i said did you uh i said did you did you take my advice yeah i drove home i drove out of town

00:52:35Guest:I stopped and got in a rape ball and I drove out of town.

00:52:38Guest:I met my brother, yeah.

00:52:39Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:52:39Guest:But, you know, what happened, Mark, is everybody eventually, you know, hit that wall.

00:52:43Guest:I mean, I, you know, the meltdown in Reactor No.

00:52:46Guest:3 that you talk about that you had.

00:52:48Guest:Yeah.

00:52:48Guest:I mean, we all had that.

00:52:49Guest:I mean, Sam had that.

00:52:51Guest:But, like, what happened, though?

00:52:52Marc:Like, weren't there guns involved?

00:52:53Guest:His brother Kevin committed suicide and Sam went off the deep end.

00:52:57Guest:You know, I mean, he was just, I mean, he was, like, he was doing, he was doing the, you know, he was going to do a Belushi, man.

00:53:02Guest:There was no question.

00:53:03Marc:He was shooting up and shit?

00:53:04Guest:Well, no, he was just, I mean, he had, but he had, when Kevin passed away, and I don't blame him, it's not an enviable position to be in, but his younger brother, Kevin, committed suicide, and he just drowned himself in cocaine and booze to numb the pain.

00:53:16Guest:And what happened was, after that grief passes, you're stuck with those bad habits.

00:53:19Guest:And I think he made several attempts to clean up, and we all did.

00:53:23Guest:I mean, you know, he went to AA, you know, tried.

00:53:25Marc:That's so funny, but you were all packed.

00:53:26Marc:You were part of the sort of new outlaws.

00:53:28Marc:Who was touring with him?

00:53:28Marc:It was Carl and you and Sparky and Mike, Giselle.

00:53:33Guest:and mitch walters and alan stevens you know and there was that tour where you go on and you were like you know kind of like you know every third city we'd rotate it and then we just took care of like you know you took care of the bags and made sure everybody got their bags at a hotel room and yeah entourage yeah but you know basically yeah and then but i would go to the radio i mean i learned how to do radio watching sam do radio yeah uh you know i'd also watch you know the show and i was paying attention i was like

00:53:55Guest:And I also, when I go out to these markets, I would call the comedy clubs.

00:53:59Guest:Yeah.

00:54:00Guest:And I would invite the owners and the bookers out to the show.

00:54:02Guest:I'd go, well, we have two tickets for you.

00:54:03Guest:Come out and do the thing.

00:54:04Guest:Because I might have a career if I don't die.

00:54:05Guest:Well, listen, I realized at one point, I said to myself, I said, Sam's not going to make any of these guys famous.

00:54:11Guest:I mean, it's a futile thing.

00:54:12Marc:Well, that was the thing, is this whole idea.

00:54:14Guest:I'll save you eight years, man.

00:54:15Guest:Yeah, you cost me eight years.

00:54:16Guest:Yeah.

00:54:17Guest:I'll save you five years.

00:54:18Guest:I go, you cost me five years.

00:54:19Guest:Thank you, Sam.

00:54:20Guest:Yeah.

00:54:20Guest:But I would invite these club owners and the bookers out to see the show, and they would come backstage and say, hey, how are you guys?

00:54:28Guest:Thanks for coming out.

00:54:29Guest:And then when I go back, I would call.

00:54:31Guest:So when I would come off tour with these guys, I would go back on the road and do those clubs.

00:54:34Guest:And that's how I kind of got my personal appearance.

00:54:37Marc:You put it in the door.

00:54:37Guest:My personal appearance.

00:54:38Guest:But I was the only one doing it.

00:54:40Guest:Nobody else.

00:54:41Marc:I don't even know where those guys are.

00:54:42Marc:Randy doesn't do...

00:54:43Guest:No, no, and I see him once in a while.

00:54:45Guest:He lives in my neighborhood.

00:54:46Guest:I see him running around.

00:54:46Guest:Is he all right?

00:54:47Guest:Yeah, he's doing good, you know.

00:54:48Guest:I mean, I see Alan Stevens once in a while.

00:54:50Guest:Mitch Walters, I did a movie with him.

00:54:54Guest:Still alive, huh?

00:54:54Guest:Yeah, still alive.

00:54:55Guest:Still treating life like it's a gambling window on a racetrack.

00:54:58Guest:And, you know, pieces!

00:55:00Guest:You know, he's got pieces.

00:55:01Guest:I mean, he just hasn't changed a bit.

00:55:03Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:55:04Guest:He's a real-life grifter.

00:55:05Guest:I mean, he's a real-life grifter.

00:55:07Marc:There was a lot of this in our business back in the day.

00:55:10Guest:Yeah, and Chisaka, I think, practices law in Cleveland.

00:55:13Guest:Really?

00:55:13Guest:Yeah, he married a judge, and he went back to law school.

00:55:16Guest:Really?

00:55:16Marc:Really?

00:55:16Marc:Yeah, and I think... God, sometimes I have more respect for the people that got out and actually made a regular life for themselves and fucking stayed in this and just watched their dreams drag them through.

00:55:25Guest:Well, it's so funny, dude.

00:55:26Guest:You do that line.

00:55:27Guest:I remember you do that line.

00:55:28Guest:It always made me laugh.

00:55:29Guest:What?

00:55:29Guest:It takes you 10 years to become an overnight sensation.

00:55:33Guest:And unfortunately, it's the same exact amount of time it takes to be a complete and utter failure.

00:55:37Guest:A bitter failure.

00:55:37Guest:And you don't know until the night before.

00:55:40Guest:But I mean, but it's true.

00:55:41Marc:I've got to raise that to 20.

00:55:42Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:55:44Yeah.

00:55:45Marc:Yeah.

00:55:46Marc:I'm still in the fucking game.

00:55:48Guest:Hey, listen, you know the thing?

00:55:49Guest:Yeah, you're still in the game.

00:55:50Guest:You're still alive.

00:55:50Guest:Hey, it ain't the graduation picture, but fuck it, we're alive.

00:55:53Guest:That's true, man.

00:55:54Guest:And I got to tell you, man, a lot of guys I know, they stopped doing it.

00:55:58Guest:You know, they stopped doing stand-up comedy.

00:55:59Guest:They've done other stuff, and then they try to get back into it, and they can't.

00:56:02Guest:Or just, you know, even a little bit of time.

00:56:04Guest:It's a little sad.

00:56:05Marc:and uh and i just you know i just love doing them and i i love you're a great comic i mean like i watched you the other night and you know you're out there fucking hammering away and you're doing the clubs and you know you fucking work your ass off and you know and when you get on stage it's like you're gonna fucking turn the room over i mean like i watched you recently a couple of times it's just like boom you know you fucking lock into the mode it's full-on schubert yeah yeah that's right that's right we were at the comedy store we had a guy we tag-teamed his heckler

00:56:31Guest:You shut him down.

00:56:32Guest:I try to get the guy to behave.

00:56:34Guest:I'm like, shut up.

00:56:35Guest:Then you guys come out and just bury the guy.

00:56:38Guest:I think the guy was just reduced to a quivering, puddle of verbal abuse.

00:56:42Guest:Good.

00:56:43Guest:Yeah, I know.

00:56:43Guest:The guy's running around.

00:56:45Marc:You did that great joke about proposing.

00:56:48Marc:That's a funny fucking great joke.

00:56:49Guest:Oh, yeah, about the vagina.

00:56:50Marc:Yeah, that way you get on your knees.

00:56:52Guest:That's why guys get on their knees when they propose.

00:56:53Guest:They're not actually talking to the girl.

00:56:54Guest:They're talking to the vagina.

00:56:55Guest:Directly to the vagina.

00:56:56Guest:I love you.

00:56:57Guest:You're my best friend.

00:56:59Marc:It's funny man, but like so were you there at the fall of the Kennison thing?

00:57:03Marc:I mean what what how long did you hang on?

00:57:06Guest:Yeah, you know, you know the funny thing towards the end there mark I really kind of I really was distancing myself and I was just into myself You knew you're gonna get hurt, right?

00:57:13Guest:Well, no, I just didn't I just it was just gonna end badly and I remember sitting there You know and the guy had you know house in Malibu and a house in solar Canyon I mean he would fall asleep on the hardwood floor.

00:57:23Guest:I mean

00:57:23Guest:I mean, you know, he'd blow off.

00:57:26Guest:He almost didn't make his Tonight Show spot.

00:57:28Guest:And, you know, I watched the guy blow off $30,000.

00:57:30Guest:He's making $35,000.

00:57:31Guest:He's supposed to catch a Learjet and fly into it.

00:57:34Guest:And he'd blow it off.

00:57:36Guest:And I was sitting there going, are you kidding me, man?

00:57:38Guest:People would kill for this opportunity.

00:57:40Guest:And it was just sad.

00:57:42Guest:And he started taking a lot of pills.

00:57:43Guest:And I just, you know, when someone starts taking the pills, it just got ugly.

00:57:49Guest:I mean, I saw, you know, his relationship with Carl got soured.

00:57:55Guest:And I said, if these turn on Carl.

00:57:56Guest:Carl's his best friend.

00:57:57Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:57:58Guest:And it's a matter of time.

00:57:59Guest:And it was just...

00:58:01Guest:I just kind of started all alone.

00:58:03Guest:Yeah.

00:58:03Marc:And I literally thought that my thing was like, I thought someone was going to die and it might be me.

00:58:07Marc:Like, I'm going to get dragged down by this.

00:58:09Guest:Yeah.

00:58:09Guest:Well, I remember at one point and listen, I went on and I hung out with him for about eight years and he put a lot of cool moments in my life.

00:58:17Guest:But you're right.

00:58:18Guest:A lot of it was, you know, everything's done in a hair pulling, nail biting frenzy.

00:58:21Guest:It was crazy.

00:58:22Guest:I remember on one tour was surrounded by 16 DEA agents at LAX.

00:58:26Marc:You were?

00:58:26Guest:Yeah.

00:58:26Guest:Yeah, they thought someone made a phone call and said they're going to be traveling with a lot of drugs.

00:58:31Guest:And unfortunately, there were no drugs.

00:58:33Guest:Nobody had anything.

00:58:34Guest:And before you know it, the DEA agents are taking pictures and signing autographs.

00:58:38Guest:But someone had to announce a pot, which Bill took the fall for.

00:58:41Guest:He goes, it's my pot.

00:58:42Guest:He had to go.

00:58:42Guest:But he had to take the fall for it.

00:58:44Guest:But that's all that was there was a little bit of...

00:58:46Marc:hot in that interesting build his brother takes a fall one time and then the body it's just it's so wild how how it works and how insulated stars become yeah and who's gonna take the fall who knows what that fall is gonna be yeah well bill had to go to all these classes and i think i think sam bought him a car later on for it but i mean you know i mean don't get me wrong the fall might be like can you just take this body

00:59:06Guest:I'm in trouble.

00:59:07Guest:She's dead.

00:59:07Guest:Could you help me move this body?

00:59:09Guest:Yes.

00:59:09Guest:What happened?

00:59:10Guest:I put a Coke bottle in her pussy and it broke.

00:59:12Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:12Guest:I said, okay, fatty, you are.

00:59:13Guest:Buckle.

00:59:14Guest:But, you know, it got... But I think it just got to the point where I was, you know, I mean, Sam was one of a kind as far as comedians go.

00:59:25Guest:I mean, I thought he was amazing.

00:59:26Guest:I mean, he influenced me.

00:59:27Guest:I watched him.

00:59:28Guest:We did a secondary tour.

00:59:29Guest:It was me, Dan Barton,

00:59:31Guest:And yeah, and and Sam Kinison and it was just I would open the show and and he would and then damn ago second and there were no drugs doing no drugs And it was like it was actually really cool, but he pulled Barton out of Anonymity been yeah, but like in Queens no Dan Barton is a is an amazing Amazing writer.

00:59:51Guest:I mean he's he's like didn't he live on the East Coast?

00:59:53Guest:No, no he lived they met in Houston You know they used to crash on his thing, but those guys were all Houston comedians right Carl and and Sam you know and

01:00:00Marc:Riley Barber, Epstein.

01:00:03Marc:All those guys.

01:00:03Marc:Freddie Asparagus, no.

01:00:04Guest:No, Freddie was later on out here.

01:00:07Guest:He died, huh?

01:00:07Guest:Yeah, he passed away.

01:00:09Guest:I mean, dude, we may not... We got a little lost along the way, but the good news is we're way ahead of schedule.

01:00:16Guest:What did you say?

01:00:16Guest:We're on the right side of the grass?

01:00:18Guest:We're on the right side of the grass.

01:00:19Guest:You know what I mean?

01:00:22Guest:And we're still in it, so you've got to be in it to win it.

01:00:25Guest:Anything can happen.

01:00:25Guest:Is this the tape you're listening to in the car?

01:00:29Guest:No.

01:00:30Guest:No, but I just... Hey, man, it's better than having a callus on the roof of my mouth from a loaded revolver.

01:00:37Guest:I mean, you can make a choice to, you know... But, yeah, just towards the end, it got ugly, the pills.

01:00:44Guest:He was taking these pills, and I was just kind of like... I gotta go.

01:00:49Guest:Where were you when he died?

01:00:51Guest:I was in Florida.

01:00:52Guest:I had met a girl, and I was down there visiting her, and I was doing a bunch of gigs in Florida.

01:00:56Guest:In fact, after he died.

01:00:57Guest:You lived there for a while, right?

01:00:58Guest:Yeah, I did.

01:00:59Guest:I just couldn't do it.

01:01:00Guest:I had to get out.

01:01:00Guest:It was the best thing I ever did because I cleaned up my act.

01:01:03Guest:I worked on my act.

01:01:04Guest:All was about stand-up, and I really got good.

01:01:07Guest:I wrote like three, four times a week, and I took a job as a house emcee at a place called Haggerty's, which was the worst comedy club ever because it was Boca Raton, and people would come in for happy hour and stay right up until 2 o'clock.

01:01:17Guest:They were just a bunch of alcoholics.

01:01:19Ah, ah, ah.

01:01:19Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:20Guest:You know, and it was just one of the toughest rooms.

01:01:22Guest:But I remember working there for about like six to eight months and just writing every day.

01:01:27Guest:Just had to get the fuck out of here.

01:01:28Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:01:28Guest:And it was the best thing ever.

01:01:30Guest:I played golf.

01:01:30Guest:I took up golf.

01:01:31Guest:I played golf.

01:01:32Guest:I mean, the quality of my life went, you know, through the roof.

01:01:35Guest:And I was in a relationship with the...

01:01:37Guest:This girl named Linda.

01:01:39Guest:And, you know, later on, I wound up doing an intervention on her.

01:01:43Guest:Yeah.

01:01:43Guest:You know, after like it was towards the end of a seven year relationship, which, you know, I said, you know, it's my joke.

01:01:48Guest:If I was the guy doing the intervention, you got a problem, sister.

01:01:52Guest:What was her thing?

01:01:53Guest:Well, you know, she was bipolar.

01:01:56Guest:I mean, it didn't happen.

01:01:57Marc:Self-medicating bipolar, what, Coke and shit?

01:01:59Guest:Yeah, it was self-medicating bipolar.

01:02:00Guest:Yeah, but she started with, you know, the drink and the Coke, and just you didn't know who you were talking to after, like, two drinks and, you know, repetitive, and it's a record.

01:02:08Guest:You need to get something.

01:02:09Marc:Yeah, you were different.

01:02:10Marc:That must have been difficult.

01:02:11Marc:You didn't know who you were talking to, but you couldn't tell whether someone was going to come into the door or not.

01:02:14Marc:Like, I could see you two on Coke.

01:02:17Guest:She's like, she's psychotic, and you're like, did you hear that?

01:02:19Marc:Yeah, that's...

01:02:19Marc:You give Schubert two lines, he's in the closet.

01:02:24Marc:Hold on, I hear something.

01:02:25Guest:That's so funny.

01:02:27Guest:It was never like that until later on, but that's why eventually enough was enough.

01:02:33Marc:I remember one time I came back, it was before I cleaned up, so it must have been about 12 years ago, and I think I was with Bob Baker, and we got some Coke, and you did two lines, and literally you were opening the closet door going, and I'm like, oh my God.

01:02:44Guest:No, no, yeah, yeah.

01:02:45Guest:I'd worn out a gear.

01:02:46Guest:i'd worn i'd worn out of gear bro i i that was it i think that was the last i mean that was the my last hurrah after that yeah you know when you you said all right just occasionally yeah yeah i said i said i'm but i i don't even do it now anyway i'm yeah i'm just i'm barely i barely drink anymore you're pretty jacked so you don't need it probably you never did need it you're always kind of wired

01:03:07Guest:Yeah, but it's just that, you know, we had our fun.

01:03:10Guest:It's like, you know, you get to a certain point.

01:03:11Guest:You just got to let it go.

01:03:13Marc:It doesn't end well for anybody.

01:03:14Marc:Like you said, it's just not, you know, there's no winning that game.

01:03:17Guest:Yeah, and like you said, you're right.

01:03:19Guest:It just doesn't, you know, you wind up.

01:03:20Guest:Did you go to the funeral?

01:03:22Guest:Yeah, I did.

01:03:22Guest:I went to the funeral.

01:03:23Guest:You know, it's ironic.

01:03:24Guest:I mean, he was, you know, Sam was definitely kind of a shoot.

01:03:27Guest:That was a shooting star, and that was the arc.

01:03:29Guest:Yeah.

01:03:29Guest:You know, and I was just, you know, I mean, I have never had to defend.

01:03:33Marc:You know, in retrospect, if he had just died before Wild Thing came out, it would probably have been a better...

01:03:37Guest:Yeah.

01:03:39Guest:Well, it's interesting.

01:03:40Guest:I'm just glad it wasn't in a hotel room, like, you know, with, you know, a couple hookers.

01:03:45Guest:Oh, right.

01:03:46Guest:You know, and just like, you know, go, oh, okay, great.

01:03:48Guest:That's how everybody said it was going to end.

01:03:49Guest:I mean, you know, and the funny thing is, you know, you just have, it's one of those people you just, you know, people have their definite opinions about them, and I was just like, you know,

01:03:58Guest:You get tired of defending him.

01:04:00Guest:It's like whatever.

01:04:01Marc:Well, you know, the weird thing is like as much of a beef as I have with him.

01:04:03Marc:And, you know, for years, I just all I wanted to do is go pee on his grave and get it on tape.

01:04:09Marc:In retrospect, I you know, I still listen to his fucking record.

01:04:12Marc:And in those times are like irreplaceable.

01:04:14Marc:As crazy as they were and as hurt as my feelings might have been.

01:04:17Marc:He was something, man.

01:04:18Guest:Yeah, there was definitely a true American original, one of a kind without question.

01:04:24Guest:Certainly one of the most influential comedians of that time period.

01:04:28Guest:Him and Hicks, I think, were two of the most influential comedians of that.

01:04:31Marc:They were very different in their weird way.

01:04:32Marc:I think that Sam gets dismissed more so than not, which is sort of sad.

01:04:37Guest:Well, because I don't think he left a big enough body of work behind.

01:04:39Marc:I think he really kind of... He's also a little bit of a sexist.

01:04:43Marc:He gets a rap.

01:04:44Marc:You know, he represented this weird culture of decadence.

01:04:48Guest:And I think he was the guy that kicked in that door that also let dice in that door and other more outrageous guys in that door because that was, you know, so I think, but I think you're right.

01:05:00Marc:He just gets a bad rap because I actually think that what happened after that first record and the sort of like the self-destructive path or the music, that he became sort of a mockery of himself.

01:05:12Guest:You know, that he started to buy his own bullshit.

01:05:15Guest:A little of that and whatever.

01:05:16Marc:But, you know, I did that tribute for him, you know, at the comedy store that they recorded.

01:05:21Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:05:21Marc:And I was happy to do it.

01:05:22Marc:You know, I still got some love in my heart for the guy.

01:05:25Marc:And, you know, I was a kid and it was a pretty wild time.

01:05:28Marc:It was definitely a life-defining time.

01:05:30Guest:No question about it.

01:05:32Guest:I mean, I wish we had hung out longer.

01:05:34Guest:I wish that didn't go on because I remember we were kind of like, you know, it was like one of those things where we were like trying to push each other and kind of writing.

01:05:40Guest:Me and you, yeah, I know.

01:05:41Guest:Yeah, yeah, trying to write and get the stuff going and it was just, you know.

01:05:44Guest:I lost my mind.

01:05:45Guest:Yeah, well, you found it again.

01:05:48Marc:Well, it's good to see you, buddy.

01:05:49Guest:You as well, my friend, and thank you for having me on the podcast.

01:05:52Marc:It was great, man.

01:05:53Marc:Let's go get some soda or something.

01:05:54Marc:Absolutely.

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01:06:09Marc:Love that guy.

01:06:09Marc:Haven't seen him in a long time.

01:06:11Marc:We were very tight at another point in history.

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