Episode 187 - Larry Miller
Guest:Are we doing this?
Guest:Really?
Guest:Wait for it.
Guest:Are we doing this?
Guest:Wait for it.
Guest:Pow!
Guest:What the fuck?
Guest:And it's also, eh, what the fuck?
Guest:What's wrong with me?
Guest:It's time for WTF?
Guest:What the fuck?
Guest:With Marc Maron.
Marc:All right, let's do this.
Marc:How are you?
Marc:What the fuckers?
Marc:What the fuck buddies?
Marc:What the fuck's the bulls?
Marc:What the fuck a loompas?
Marc:Oh, some of them are getting through.
Marc:I am Mark Marin.
Marc:This is WTF.
Marc:Thank you for joining me.
Marc:I'm in the garage.
Marc:It's coming up on dusk.
Marc:That's the one at the end of the day.
Marc:Am I right?
Marc:Today on the show, Larry Miller, who I haven't seen in years, always thought he was very funny guy.
Marc:Look forward to that conversation.
Marc:Remember years ago, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, he got beat up in San Francisco.
Marc:And I felt horrible about that.
Marc:And I remember being there that weekend.
Marc:We'll get into that.
Marc:Some other stuff.
Marc:He's got a podcast.
Marc:I just had a skunk party.
Marc:Skunk party at the Cat Bowl.
Marc:Outside on the deck.
Marc:Outside of the garage here at the Cat Ranch.
Marc:A litter of skunks beneath my deck.
Marc:will come out during the day to eat Boomer's food.
Marc:And I know I shouldn't feed them.
Marc:I know that they may become a problem, but you've got to realize I've lived here a few years.
Marc:I've been through several litters of skunks, several litters of possums, a couple of raccoons here and there, stray cats.
Marc:It's always fun to see the flurry of stinky tails around the silver bowl while Boomer just sits there baffled.
Marc:There is a respect among animals.
Marc:I talked to someone today.
Marc:They said, aren't you afraid that the skunks are going to spray your cats?
Marc:No.
Marc:Cats don't get sprayed by skunks because cats are cool.
Marc:They're smart.
Marc:They understand boundaries.
Marc:They're like, I'm going to get out of the way of this.
Marc:You know what gets sprayed?
Marc:Big dumb dogs.
Marc:Big dumb dogs who stick their nose in and go, what's this?
Marc:What's this?
Marc:What's this?
Marc:Is this something I can eat or love or what?
Marc:Help me.
Marc:There you go.
Marc:How's that?
Marc:Now you stink.
Marc:Now you got to go into the house and stink up your owner's house and maybe they'll give you a bath in tomato juice.
Marc:Man, skunks do not spray cats because cats are cool.
Marc:Dogs are dumb.
Marc:Dogs get sprayed by skunks.
Marc:That's my theory.
Marc:Anyways, look, I don't want to talk about the skunks all day.
Marc:They were awfully cute.
Marc:Maybe I'll put some pictures up on the site.
Marc:Also, I had a plumbing problem.
Marc:This is riveting.
Marc:Skunks and a plumbing problem?
Marc:Are you kidding me, Mark?
Marc:How interesting is your life?
Marc:The day before I got to leave town, all of a sudden my house decides to throw up in my sink.
Marc:My house just puked up out of the sink.
Marc:God knows what.
Marc:I didn't know how far down it went.
Marc:I've had rooter situations before.
Marc:I got an old house.
Marc:So now I'm in a... I wasn't even in a panic.
Marc:I called the rooter guy.
Marc:But he came over.
Marc:All he kept saying is...
Marc:You know what?
Marc:Garbage disposals.
Marc:You know who designed them?
Marc:Who?
Marc:A plumber.
Marc:And we thank God for him every day because they stink.
Marc:They don't work.
Marc:A plumber designed it.
Marc:I'm a plumber.
Marc:He helped us out.
Marc:OK, anyways, I didn't get to talk to you since I went to Denver last week.
Marc:I had a great time.
Marc:Love that club.
Marc:I'd heard for years that the Comedy Works was the best club in the world.
Marc:And it's certainly one of them.
Marc:Perfectly designed in a basement, low ceilings, tightly seated.
Marc:It just feels like you're killing no matter what.
Marc:And it sounds like you're killing no matter what.
Marc:But, you know, you travel around and people always say, go to this food place, go do this.
Marc:You got to eat there.
Marc:You got to eat there.
Marc:And I I've lived in New York and Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Marc:I don't think I'm going to go somewhere and have the best food ever.
Marc:I just I just temper my expectations with the fact that someone says this is the best pizza.
Marc:I'm like, I fucking lived in New York.
Marc:And you know what?
Marc:I went to a place in Denver.
Marc:Asteria, Marco, and had the best pizza I've ever had in my fucking life.
Marc:How is that possible?
Marc:The best pizza I've ever had in my life.
Marc:They had burrata there.
Marc:I don't even like burrata, and this stuff was just like gold in your mouth.
Marc:Is that even a metaphor people use?
Marc:It was amazing.
Marc:Melted in your mouth?
Marc:Yeah, that's good.
Marc:It was meltable gold in your mouth.
Marc:It was awesome.
Marc:And the pizza was great.
Marc:I ate it three times from a fat pig.
Marc:I ate it three times, you fat fucking pig.
Marc:Shut up, Mark.
Marc:You're not that fat, and you make people who do have an honest weight problem mad at you.
Marc:All right, Mark.
Marc:But I ate it three times.
Marc:And then I found out the day after I ate it that that restaurant has been reprimanded by the FDA or the local authorities of food in Denver.
Marc:And I'm like, oh, great.
Marc:What did I just eat?
Marc:And she said, no, they keep using raw milk to make their burrata and make their cheeses.
Marc:And they use locally farmed animals to make their hams and cured meats.
Marc:So the FDA is pissed off at him for using the good stuff.
Marc:I'd never had that before.
Marc:I got to tell you, if that is wrong, bring it on.
Marc:Raw milk burrata was fucking amazing.
Marc:It makes me hate the government.
Marc:Free the burrata.
Marc:I mean, come on.
Marc:Free the burrata.
Marc:But the bigger story out of Denver is really something kind of interesting and kind of mind-blowing and emotionally jarring.
Marc:I did a show on Thursday night.
Marc:After the show, I'm selling shirts.
Marc:Thanks for buying them, by the way.
Marc:Thanks for all the nice presents.
Marc:And the brownies.
Marc:Some guy brought me brownies, and he didn't look like a brownie-making dude.
Marc:It was right after Doug Benson's show.
Marc:So who the fuck knew it was in those brownies?
Marc:But he goes, no, my mom made them.
Marc:Then a bunch of dudes from a band came.
Marc:They got shit-faced.
Marc:And a guy missing most of his fingers on his right hand would force me to take the Motley Crue shirt off his back.
Marc:He wanted to trade for one of my shirts.
Marc:I didn't really want to trade.
Marc:And he says, I'll buy your shirt, but you have to take the Motley Crue shirt.
Marc:And they told the story of his fingers and the saw, but he can still play guitar.
Marc:Anyways, after Thursday night's show, I'm standing there selling shirts.
Marc:A guy walks up to me and goes, Mark Maron.
Marc:I'm looking at him.
Marc:And right as it's all sort of congealing, all the gray matter wrapping, just sort of pushing in on itself to make something out of this guy's face,
Marc:He says it at the same time I do.
Marc:I go, Eric, Eric, fucking Eric.
Marc:This guy was my best friend when I was in eighth grade and I just saw him.
Marc:I saw the kid I knew in the face that was looking at me smiling.
Marc:I gave him a hug.
Marc:I was like, holy shit, fucking Eric.
Marc:What the fuck?
Marc:How have you been?
Marc:It's been over 30 years.
Marc:I never thought I would be old enough to not see somebody for 30 years.
Marc:And there he was, Eric.
Marc:But we used to be in a band together when I was in eighth grade.
Marc:Well, it wasn't really a band.
Marc:It was, there were a bunch of us.
Marc:We played, we knew three songs, like three stone songs.
Marc:And maybe Sweet Home Alabama.
Marc:Something like that.
Marc:We played three or four gigs.
Marc:We didn't have a name.
Marc:But this was Eric, man.
Marc:His parents were like the groovy parents.
Marc:I lived with my parents.
Marc:He lived down in Corrales.
Marc:In the North Valley of New Mexico.
Marc:With his tall dad.
Marc:He used to play basketball.
Marc:He used to always say Dr. J. And do these layups.
Marc:He was a tall kid.
Marc:And I used to go to his house.
Marc:He had the coolest parents.
Marc:Because his dad, they were divorced.
Marc:His dad was married to this woman.
Marc:Younger than him.
Marc:They had a baby and Eric lived out in the back in this shack on his own where he could just smoke dope.
Marc:He'd put on a cape and he'd run around the ditches.
Marc:There was another guy, Dave, down there.
Marc:It was just a complete alternative lifestyle to what I was living.
Marc:I actually remember there was a trip my family took and I was so enamored with Eric's family and the freedom he had.
Marc:I just kept saying on this trip, why can't you be like Eric's parents?
Marc:I just remember my dad was like, why don't you go fucking live with Eric's parents?
Marc:And for some reason, we all ended up crying in a hotel room.
Marc:I think it brought us closer together.
Marc:But I still wanted to live with Eric's parents.
Marc:30 years I hadn't seen this guy.
Marc:So we make a date to catch up.
Marc:He's a manager of a restaurant up there.
Marc:So he invites me to his restaurant.
Marc:We have lunch.
Marc:We kind of get up to speed over the last 30 years.
Marc:He's twice divorced.
Marc:He's got a couple of kids.
Marc:He's doing all right.
Marc:Still sings.
Marc:Who the fuck knew?
Marc:Still sings.
Marc:We were in eighth grade.
Marc:He's got sort of an on-the-side group of dudes he plays with and they sing.
Marc:And I caught him up with my life and my problems and successes.
Marc:It's hard to catch up for 30 years.
Marc:And I just kept trying to, I wanted us to have that closeness, but it was so far away.
Marc:It was so far away, 30-some-odd years, a one-year intense amount of time, two years.
Marc:I tried to find him a few times.
Marc:I'd looked him up, but I could never find him.
Marc:I could never find him on the Internet.
Marc:I knew he disappeared to Denver.
Marc:I knew he was involved with some woman.
Marc:I didn't know what happened because he disappeared in ninth grade.
Marc:I knew he went to Denver, but I just thought he was dead.
Marc:I thought he was done because that's what you do.
Marc:As cool as his parents are, sometimes you have those moments, well, with parents like that, how's that kid going to survive?
Marc:But there he was, doing fine.
Marc:Healthy.
Marc:Had a couple of lobster rolls.
Marc:He works at a seafood restaurant.
Marc:But I kept trying to feel that.
Marc:I felt connected, but it was really a little off because we were just sort of getting each other up to speed and then
Marc:I asked him what kind of guitar he played.
Marc:And I said, I was always looking for a J45.
Marc:And he goes, you want to go to Guitar Center?
Marc:I said, hell yeah.
Marc:I love going to Guitar Center when I'm on the road.
Marc:It's the best thing.
Marc:Maybe I'll find a J45 that I like.
Marc:So we get to the Guitar Center.
Marc:We go into the back, into the acoustic room.
Marc:I'm noodling around on one.
Marc:He's noodling around on one.
Marc:And then we just started playing, man.
Marc:We started playing.
Marc:We started playing our set list from when we were in eighth grade.
Marc:Yeah, we just started those chords, you know, Sweet Virginia by the Stones, Exile in Main Street.
Marc:He was the guy that turned me on to that song.
Marc:He used to bring a tape recorder on the school bus that he had held up to his record player.
Marc:And there was a skip in that song that I couldn't get out of my head for half of my life.
Marc:And we were playing it.
Marc:And then Eric started singing it.
Marc:And then it started to come back.
Marc:And we finished that song and then we just went into Sympathy for the Devil, which was our second on the set list.
Marc:And he sang the whole song and that was where I connected.
Marc:That was where I heard that voice.
Marc:It was the same voice of that kid I knew in eighth grade and it all came back to me.
Marc:And we didn't even finish Sweet Home Alabama because I think we're above that.
Marc:But we left and we felt like, well, we did it, man.
Marc:We did it.
Marc:Full circle.
Marc:All right.
Marc:I'll be in touch.
Marc:It was sweet.
Marc:Did you have a problem with the white chair?
Marc:What exactly was the issue?
Guest:Everything sounds like a lyric.
Guest:That sounds like a Jefferson Starship lyric to me.
Marc:Did you have a problem with the white chair?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Anyway.
Marc:So now...
Marc:You, Larry Miller.
Marc:It's good to see you, by the way.
Marc:Oh, yeah, let's start with that.
Marc:You recognize me, you know me.
Marc:Sure, and by the way, we're brothers, we're comics.
Marc:Yes, we are.
Guest:Believe me, you don't got to tell me that.
Guest:And that is not lightly said.
Guest:Nope.
Guest:I met someone last night over at Corolla's, and this whole world of ours, we'll talk about it, but I just adore.
Guest:We can do it now.
Guest:Maybe now would be good.
Guest:But when I say that, I know it sounds knuckleheaded, but I am very fierce about this thing of ours, as comics especially.
Guest:I always thought we should be able to say the Cosa Nostra, because it means our thing.
Guest:That's right.
Marc:And I'm not going to argue with them about it, but I just think that we should get... You're not going to get into an active debate with the actual Cosa Nostra about whether we can use the name or not?
Guest:No, if it comes up, if there's an option on it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:By the way, there was when I started doing all these things, too, in podcasts, and there were no Larry Miller names, either for websites.
Guest:Really?
Guest:There was nothing left.
Guest:Oh, I thought you said none existed.
Guest:No, there was none left because there was a guy who passed away a year or two ago named Larry Miller in Salt Lake City who owned the Utah Jazz, who owned every restaurant, who owned every car dealership.
Guest:I didn't know the guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But I worked there for a month on something, on a part.
Guest:In Salt Lake City.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it was surreal to drive to wherever the location was every morning and just look out the window and see your name, whatever your name is out there.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:Imagine you just see Larry Miller Chicken, Larry Miller Volvo, Larry Miller Honda.
Marc:You're like, I have an empire in another life.
Marc:That's right.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:What it could have been for you.
Guest:If only.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:If only I hadn't said one day, ah, the heck with law school.
Guest:But the thing is.
Guest:You were one of those guys, huh?
Guest:No, I didn't even get to the heck part.
Guest:I didn't even get to the law school part.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:And you know what?
Guest:I wouldn't have wanted to, and I don't need to.
Guest:But the thing is, when he died, then some of my friends said, or somebody said, well, why don't you get now some of the Larry Miller sites?
Guest:Because, you know, he's gone.
Guest:Or at least the leftover swag.
Guest:The hats, the hats from the wristbands.
Guest:But I said, you know what, that's a great idea.
Guest:I know what I'll do.
Guest:I'll call the family now and say, I know this is a very difficult time, but let's be honest, you're not using the name anymore.
Guest:Who needs it?
Guest:This is the website.
Guest:And if you could just, hello, hello.
Guest:Well, that was certainly rude of them.
Guest:Did you get it?
Guest:No.
Guest:So what did you end up finding for yourself?
Guest:Well, you know what, it's...
Guest:It gets along, as you know, as we all know, and out there knows.
Guest:It kind of, in the end, doesn't matter what you actually pick.
Guest:We wound up picking the name of my show is This Week with Larry Miller.
Guest:It's acelarrymiller.com.
Guest:It's over at Adam Carolla's shop.
Guest:But the name This Week with Larry Miller...
Guest:Could have been anything.
Guest:In fact, they came with it.
Guest:Jeff Fox, who's the producer, is a great guy, came up with it.
Guest:Fine, fine with me.
Guest:It's like CNN.
Guest:It's known, oh, CNN.
Guest:It just means cable news network.
Marc:It doesn't really matter.
Marc:No, it just means that that's the thing that you go to when you want to hear Larry Miller talk about whatever the fuck he's going to talk about.
Marc:Yeah, exactly.
Marc:Yeah, it's fine.
Marc:And all you're doing is you take the name, and then you just get, like, WTF.
Marc:Initially, I thought I was going to be listing WTFs every week, and I thought that there was this big plan I had, and now I don't do any of that, and the show has evolved, and now it's a brand.
Marc:It's what it is.
Guest:By the way, that, though, is clever, because it grabs attention.
Guest:There's nothing wrong...
Guest:with a name that also makes sense.
Marc:Well, the original name was Fuck You.
Marc:And I thought, you know what?
Marc:I don't know if that's going to really put out the right message.
Guest:But that was, the meeting ran long that day.
Guest:And by around 11, 40 people saying, I'll be honest, I want to go home.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm tired.
Guest:What the fuck is this?
Guest:And I go, bingo!
Guest:Hey, why?
Guest:Why do you think of that?
Guest:Hold on now.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So you know what?
Guest:Before we get off on to all the things we're going to get off on, by the way.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You got a plan?
Guest:No.
Guest:I have to tell you this.
Guest:And this is no baloney.
Guest:This is Eagle Rock, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The reason I say that is it's my first time.
Guest:So now when I saw the sign for Eagle Rock, I've been hearing commercials.
Marc:for colombo's steakhouse in eagle rock for 10 years really now i've never been there because whenever they say the name and by the way it's not a plug i don't know them i don't know the people i live here and i don't know i'm this is actually highland park eagle rock like if i were to want if i wanted to sell this property i would say it's eagle rock adjacent this is the
Marc:situation i'm in we're close enough to eagle rock to be almost eagle rock and but we're really in highland park so is eagle rock nicer or something it's a little bit nicer highland park becomes somewhat of a barrio and i'm not judging uh but but really if you drive down york it's not unlike juarez in some areas but if you drive down colorado you have colombo steakhouse i'm sure but
Guest:I was just laughing there because we all do the same international semaphore of hand gently touching the heart when we say, listen, I'm not saying anything.
Guest:I'm not saying anything bad when I say these people are dirty.
Guest:They're dirty.
Marc:That was general.
Marc:That had nothing to do with my neighborhood.
Marc:Love my neighborhood.
Marc:It's turning around, Larry.
Guest:And by the way, it's so close to Eagle Rock.
Guest:So here's...
Guest:So here's the thing, though.
Guest:I saw Eagle Rock, and I'm no kidding.
Guest:I got so excited because every time for 10 years I've heard that commercial, I think to myself, they make it sound so good.
Guest:Oh, manja.
Guest:Yes, it's Columbo's Steakhouse.
Guest:You'll come.
Guest:Why?
Guest:You'll wish it's the place that's just around the corner.
Guest:And every time I almost speak when I'm shaving, I almost speak to the radio and just say, yeah, but it's not.
Guest:I don't know where you are.
Guest:I would go.
Guest:And they say, yes, it's an Eagle Rock.
Guest:And when I saw the sign for Eagle Rock, if someone had said to me,
Guest:Before coming here today, if Scarlett Johansson, for instance, just suddenly lost her mind and decided I was cute and funny and came running at me topless, and both my wife and God appeared and said, you know what, you're doing a fine job, go ahead, knock yourself out.
Guest:All you have to do is get to Eagle Rock on your own.
Guest:I would have said, come on, that's not fair.
Guest:Can you do something easier, like tie a tie?
Guest:Studio City, how about that?
Guest:I could do that, but I wouldn't have known.
Guest:So I was actually excited because I love new areas, even when they're regular places.
Guest:I'm always saying to my kids, this is great.
Guest:We've never been on this block before.
Guest:Isn't that great?
Guest:Let's take a different way to school and see a new block.
Guest:And I'm not sure they get it, but it really lights me up.
Marc:Yeah, now you're eccentric, Dad, and they may not get it, but they might.
Guest:And I don't care, though, because you know what?
Guest:That's why I came in here on a manic high.
Marc:Where did you live?
Guest:In Sherman Oaks.
Guest:It's not even that far.
Guest:No, it's nothing.
Guest:You can take your kids to Columbo's any time.
Guest:Now you know where it is.
Guest:And where people say, manja.
Guest:But you know what?
Guest:The thing is, I just love our area is so big.
Guest:The general 50 square miles or 10 square miles or whatever it is.
Guest:It's big.
Guest:I love...
Guest:When I come down, I've never been on the two south.
Marc:It's so funny about people in L.A.
Marc:because this happens a lot.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:Even when you Google map it, you're still like, where the fuck is that?
Marc:I was panicked.
Marc:York?
Marc:Colorado?
Guest:How do these streets exist someplace?
Guest:I was actually panicked.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was like the couple driving that overloaded truck in the beginning of It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:The one that's going two miles an hour.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:And cars are going, hey, stupid.
Guest:Because Jeff printed out last night.
Guest:He said to me, you could use the GPS.
Guest:And then he saw that blank look, the one that you usually normally only see in a tertiary syphilitic, just that blank stare.
Guest:And he said, do you know how to?
Guest:I said, listen, I knew on the last car, but I don't know on this one.
Guest:He said, do you want me to print it out for you?
Guest:And I said, how long have we known each other?
Marc:Have we just met?
Marc:I want you to drive me there.
Marc:And that's why Jeff is here.
Guest:By the way, well, it's also because we love doing these things together.
Guest:But he said, do you want me to carry you there?
Guest:He actually said, do you want me to carry you there?
Guest:And I said, look, there's something between carry and me trying the GPS.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So whatever's in between there.
Marc:Yeah, let's do that.
Guest:And what was in between there with me with the papers in one hand, as you said, go south on the New York.
Guest:53, 53.
Guest:Hey, buddy.
Guest:Coringa.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:What I want to do in talking to you is that here's my memories of you.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Is that before I saw you, I think, live for the first time when I was living in Boston, a Catch a Rising Star, probably the late 80s.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, I'd done I'd done open mics or a bit in New York.
Marc:And there was if you go to clubs, there are certain clubs.
Marc:They're not many around anymore.
Marc:But at one time, the comic strip had this this one wall over by the bulletin board that maybe five or six pictures.
Guest:I know what you're going to say, but go ahead.
Marc:Well, no, and there was a guy that looked a lot like Larry, that had hair, and was definitely Larry Miller.
Marc:And there was Mark Schiff, Paul Reiser, Jerry Seinfeld, and this was your generation.
Marc:What do you think I was going to say?
Guest:No, I was going to say, I don't remember actually having, maybe later on, I never quite had...
Guest:glossy in those days yeah fact I was so it looked well I won't even that's right it was a performance picture no it was close it was at a Seder at my parents house that I put up on the wall there because they said just give us a picture and so I made an 8 by 10 out of a like a
Guest:Like an instamatic photo yeah, and I still have it because it's so comical There's a whole table of people and me at the end in my comic strip t-shirt with a blue dress shirt over it Looking well with the look that you might have on your face of just you know what I love everyone right sure, but I'm not exactly sure what's happening
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I've just said the four questions again, and I have no idea what they mean.
Guest:And there's a fifth question.
Guest:So are we done?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Can we eat now?
Marc:Can we eat the good stuff?
Marc:Not the stuff on the plate.
Marc:Not the fruit salad.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And now what are we looking at?
Marc:What year was that?
Marc:And who were those guys?
Guest:Because you were buddies with... When we were all baby comics, that's the little class there of some good comics.
Guest:I mean, some good guys.
Guest:This was in then, this would have been 77, 78, when we all started.
Guest:And the folks you mentioned, Reiser, Seinfeld, Schiff, Brogan, Carol Liefer.
Guest:You know what, by the way?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was so...
Guest:Not naive.
Guest:What's a better word?
Guest:Stupid, I think is better.
Guest:But I thought everyone was going to figure everything out.
Guest:Because I think a lot of folks had talent.
Guest:I honestly, this is not being humble or turning my toe in the dirt.
Guest:I had no sense of what I was doing.
Guest:I just knew it felt right to do.
Guest:I never really knew where I was going.
Guest:But suddenly it began to, I think we all got better at it.
Guest:And suddenly you get a job or two.
Guest:Then you get another job or two.
Marc:Your style is so deliberate and so unique in that and you don't see it much around anymore.
Marc:And I always appreciate it when I do see it.
Marc:But you did long form comedy.
Marc:I mean, you started a story.
Marc:I mean, that the famous one about the night drinking.
Marc:What do they call that?
Marc:The five levels of drinking.
Marc:The five levels of drinking.
Marc:That was a huge bit.
Marc:That was like a half an hour bit that bit.
Marc:And it's quite a matter, it's an amazing commitment to do that.
Marc:There's only a few guys that do that.
Guest:Let me just say something to that, though, which I know, once again, as brothers, you'll understand.
Guest:To me, I think of that as natural and authentic for me, but I think of it as no...
Guest:Deeper than, say, either a Stephen Wright or a Rodney Dangerfield joke, which are these wonderful flights of fancy in a limited number of words.
Guest:And that's not necessarily giving either.
Guest:It's saying, whatever we find...
Guest:Whatever guys like us find, whatever our style is, whatever the voice becomes and starts out as, then that should be it.
Guest:Cosby can tell a joke, and I still call it a joke, by the way, or a bit, obviously, but he can tell us two-and-a-half-hour stories, you know, and then it all weaves together, and each one has a room.
Marc:But also, but the thing that's different now, when you're starting on the 70s, you're starting on the 80s or any time in modern comedy, you know, Cosby was a bit of a different time.
Marc:And I think that it wasn't unusual to see someone on TV do a long form piece.
Marc:But now in the age of short attention spans and also in the age where you got to fight it out on stage, what's fascinating is that, you know, as well as I do, that if you're if you're two minutes into a bit, that's going to take seven and it's not going well.
Guest:That's right.
Marc:you're just going to eat a lot of shit for five minutes or you're going to fight it out.
Marc:So a lot of people are afraid of that.
Marc:And that's where you get, you know, some guy's short form is easier.
Marc:You know, it's like, I know I'm done in 40 seconds.
Guest:That's true.
Guest:I guess what always fascinated me and still does is...
Guest:I like this going to sound weird as a comic, but I like the silence.
Guest:I like the spaces.
Guest:It's sort of like saying without the rests in music, there's no music.
Guest:Right.
Guest:There's no symphony.
Guest:It's not all just a beam of sound.
Guest:It's the rhythm and the rest.
Guest:To me, the texture of words, some of those phrases, for instance, from the five levels of drinking that, you know, you walk out in the morning and the sun is up and calling the sun God's flashlight.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:To me.
Guest:It's not that that's so great.
Guest:I'm just saying I take a lot of time trying to figure out just the right thing.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Sometimes it takes years.
Guest:I know.
Guest:And then I change it.
Guest:Well, you know that.
Guest:And then you change it and you away.
Guest:There's a new dependent clause there.
Guest:But that's fine with me.
Marc:Isn't that weird when you have that moment on stage where you're doing a bit, you've been doing like two years and then that other thing drops in.
Marc:That's right.
Guest:everything's alive again exactly right game on exactly right it puts new yeah and the audience as you know always knows yeah they know everything Lenny Bruce once said of audiences individually they may be idiots but together they're a genius yeah they sense everything they know everything it's exactly true they know as soon as you walk out are you mean or kind they know not consciously but they know it where it counts
Guest:They know, do you like being here?
Guest:Do you like us?
Guest:Do you like being a comic?
Guest:Or are you annoyed about something?
Guest:They know everything.
Marc:That's interesting that they innately know that because you do get that feeling once you've been doing stand-up a certain amount of time where, you know, people say that no audience is, it's never the audience's fault.
Marc:That's a lie.
Marc:And and also they say that there are no bad audiences.
Marc:Again, a lie.
Marc:But you can't.
Marc:The one thing you do know is like you must know, too.
Marc:But maybe you're not as paranoid or insecure as I am.
Marc:But if I walk into a room, I can like sometimes even before a show, I'll walk in the room.
Marc:Yeah, I'll just make that fourth wall go away.
Marc:And basically, just to find the one table of apes that's gonna give me trouble.
Marc:And they're there, and I just sort of, I'll wrap my brain around it, and I'll just say, all right, just be aware that there's an aneurysm here in this, to continue the metaphor, in this group mind that is my audience, we've got a potential aneurysm, and I just wanna be sensitive to that.
Marc:Do you have that intuition?
Guest:You know what, for a second there, I was gonna say, yes, we do the same thing, but I didn't know you meant with the people there.
Guest:I never do that.
Guest:What I do, though, is I always like walking a room, whether it's a club, a theater, anything else.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Or in a corporate job where you're in some room.
Guest:I just did one.
Guest:It was a great job for IBM.
Guest:It was like 6,500 people.
Guest:It was so big.
Guest:Jesus.
Guest:That I actually opened saying something like, boy, this place is... Because it was shattering.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was just being in there.
Guest:It was moving.
Guest:It was something like...
Guest:Our version of if you go to like the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris or something and say, wow, this is really something.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I haven't been there.
Guest:But, you know, I imagine if you walk in.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, that's why, by the way, there was the style of architecture.
Guest:Of course.
Guest:If you're a peasant in the 15th century.
Marc:I've talked about that before.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Whatever it is.
Guest:And you walk in, you see flying buttresses in a big room.
Marc:You think, well, they know something because I have a hut.
Marc:Oh, yeah, I feel like falling to my knees because I'm astounded at the sheer magnitude of this establishment.
Guest:Just seeing a guy with a hat, you know, again, with a big, look at him, holy mackerel, it goes straight up and then it comes to a point.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So at any rate, though.
Guest:He must be special.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:Again, look at him.
Guest:You know, he's got his nails along, but other than that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So the point is that, you know, with every room, I like to look at the room.
Guest:In fact, I love it.
Guest:In fact, to me, it's part of prep.
Marc:And oh, yeah, you got like I sometimes I would lay down on stage and before the audience came in, obviously.
Marc:And I'd sit there.
Marc:I used to do that.
Marc:I used to have a certain amount of weird rituals that I do.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:But they're not to us.
Guest:They're not weird.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's about getting every room.
Guest:There is magic in this stuff.
Guest:To me, the inside of, again, a comedy club or a theater or anything we do, or that room for IBM, is like the inside of a fine violin.
Guest:It's absorbed sound already.
Marc:And now I'm going to be playing it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And there's also some shitty violins out there.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:Oh, please.
Marc:I've been in some pretty bad violins.
Marc:Oh, come on.
Marc:Who are you talking to?
Marc:I know.
Marc:I'm talking to Larry Miller, as far as I know.
Guest:Started that way.
Guest:You're talking to your brother.
Guest:It's exactly right.
Guest:There are rooms.
Guest:It's so weird in a way for comedy.
Guest:It's just so basic.
Guest:They just have to see you and hear you.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:A mic stand and a stool if you need the stool.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:Do you want water on the... No, I don't need anything.
Guest:Do they see me?
Guest:Can they hear me?
Guest:We're good.
Guest:But how well can they hear me instead of... Because it can fuck you up, man.
Marc:A bad sound system, fuck you up.
It...
Guest:It's a step beyond that.
Guest:It's zero.
Guest:It takes away every moment of creativity and entertainment.
Marc:Let me ask you just a strange, esoteric, very focused craft question.
Marc:When you see the cordless mic, you have a moment where you're like, I know.
Guest:It varies.
Guest:It depends on I have a one man show I do now called Cocktails with Larry Miller that I'm going there.
Guest:Thousands of great theaters.
Guest:You know, there's all over America.
Guest:But in place, I was just in Dayton last weekend.
Guest:Beautiful theater, the Victoria.
Guest:And the point is, though, for theaters, there is something I can use a lot of.
Guest:It's not only necessary, it's very cool, because also this is theater.
Guest:My wife calls it stand up with a ribbon, which is true.
Guest:There's some music in it, but it has a set and it travels with me.
Guest:So the point is, I can do, you can use all sorts of things, but I know what you mean.
Guest:Still, the aesthetic,
Guest:It's not so much craft as it is something magical to see a cord drape off.
Guest:In fact, speaking of being baby comics and speaking of Cosby, when we were all just starting out in that same crew, the folks you just mentioned, we all went one night to Carnegie Hall.
Guest:to see Bill Cosby.
Guest:And it was the same thing.
Guest:Schiff, Seinfeld, Reiser, Liefer, me, I think Brogan, it was like six, seven of us.
Guest:And we sat there.
Guest:We walked into Carnegie Hall.
Guest:And there was nothing.
Guest:The stage was empty, but baffles sort of around the back of the stage.
Guest:Just little erected white walls.
Guest:And a chair.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:A chair, but here's the thing.
Guest:with a mic on the chair and the cord draping off stage.
Guest:And we were all so lit up.
Guest:We all said, see, that's the thing.
Guest:There you are.
Guest:That is the thing.
Guest:That's all you need.
Guest:That's exactly right.
Guest:This man is going to walk out there, pick up that thing, and in his case, he sits down, which is different for most of us.
Guest:But that's the thing.
Guest:By the way, nothing against props.
Guest:People are great when they use props.
Guest:People use props.
Marc:It's very diplomatic of you.
Guest:Well, no, I believe with all my heart.
Marc:Look, I've been around long enough to realize that after a certain point, they figure out their thing, and that's that.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:It's the same thing as voice.
Guest:There are thousands of styles of comedy, but only two kinds, funny and not funny.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That's why, and I believe that with all my heart.
Guest:Are you laughing?
Marc:It's funny.
Marc:I think there are subsets within that, but we don't need to go into it.
Guest:Well, you know what I, but you know what I mean?
Guest:If the person is laughing, I've never, there are some sense.
Marc:Yeah, I mean, you're a very sophisticated, intelligent, decisive, and incisive comedian with a very defined style that you've honed over years and years and years.
Marc:You're going to tell me, and there's no reason to name names that you don't sit in the comedy room sometimes and go, you got to be fucking kidding me.
Guest:Actually, you know what?
Guest:Don't you dare.
Guest:Let me finish.
Guest:No, you know what?
Guest:The absolute truth is when an audience... I don't care if there's a television show.
Guest:I don't care whether it was the Dukes of Hazzard or reality shows.
Guest:I can't watch some of the things.
Guest:My wife, who, by the way, is a writer, producer, and one of the most brilliant women I've known, but she can watch the housewife shows.
Guest:They make me actually...
Guest:so angry i can't be in the room and a little dirty too you feel a little dirty exactly right i feel this is not what the word entertainment is supposed to be this is not storytelling yeah this is not spreading light and whatever i want and she not surprisingly well you know then just doesn't look up but the you're taking it too seriously don't you enjoy other people's pain no you know what though she doesn't even say that because she knows there's no
Guest:getting through right so i will storm out into the living room right and read there and talk to the dog who by the way plays dumb but understands a lot about me everything but so but here's the thing i never if folks say to me by their numbers or whatever this whatever is being done if that's poppy you know what congratulations and good luck to you
Guest:I wouldn't be this sanguine.
Guest:I wouldn't be this calm about it if I thought it affected my saleability or what I can write and perform or the way I can take myself and my product out and grow with it.
Guest:If I thought it affected that in any way, then I'd be saying, all right, let's take the blunderbuss down from the fireplace and just attack the studio.
Marc:No, that makes sense.
Marc:And I believe that too.
Marc:Is that what you're saying about magic...
Marc:And about, because look, we've both known a lot of talented guys that didn't manifest.
Marc:They did not break.
Marc:They did not become big stars.
Marc:Who the hell knows why?
Marc:And in my darkest moments, I realized that, you know, I've done okay.
Marc:But it's interesting that you cannot make lightning in a jar, that you cannot make audiences like you.
Marc:It happens when it happens, if it happens.
Marc:And I think that's a profound thing about about stand up is that like, why do some people make it?
Marc:Why do some people not?
Marc:Who knows?
Marc:I think some of it has to do with professionalism, realizing the nature of the job, you know, owning your style.
Marc:But it seems like you had your style pretty young, pretty early on.
Guest:No.
Guest:Yet, I think so, looking back, but I think a key phrase you just said is make it, because the phrase has many different meanings.
Guest:The concept of making it, when you start out, you may think, I want to be this star or that star.
Guest:That's why every time parents come up, or someone, one of my friends from school as a kid, and I was like 19, 20, says he wants to get into show business.
Guest:What do you tell him?
Guest:What should I do?
Guest:First of all, I say to him, fantastic, because...
Guest:Always say to the parents what's better that he works for Aetna is that gonna be better?
Guest:But a lot of parents would say yeah What I mean is so and then I follow that up by saying so he'll get fired at 41 Because he's not very good at it and his boss says to him you seem like a pleasant guy But you're really not fitting in or you're really not kind of one of us and you're a smartass And you're always trying to be funny exactly and also how bitter is his heart going to be every time he sees a comic on TV or a
Marc:an actor in a part but that can happen to comics and actors of course but at least but at least yeah we're in that's right no i agree with you and and i just think like uh when i used to watch you uh when i was younger like that first time i saw you catch rising star i think my friend chuck scar and i you know chuck he went to he became a writer uh we actually went and uh we picked you up at the hotel
Marc:And we drove you to the club.
Marc:And we were also very excited because you always had a lot of respect from the younger guys because you did something that no one really did was tell these stories and you were so deliberate and everything was paced out beautifully.
Marc:And then the next time I ran into you, I was at Cobbs in San Francisco.
Marc:They were like two weeks after they said Larry Miller got mugged.
Marc:And you were still fucked up about it.
Guest:Well, sure, because first of all, I was so...
Guest:Grateful it sounds like a weird thing was it like 1989 92 something oh yeah yeah yeah but 93 the point is though when this happened I was walking home from home to the hotel from like it was like three blocks
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:And I took a side street, and it was about one in the morning, and I was... Oh, what's the word?
Guest:Drunk.
Guest:And that's the word.
Guest:You hung out after the show with some of the guys.
Guest:Sure, I had a couple of drinks, and you chat with everyone.
Guest:Not loaded, but I was a little lit up.
Guest:Plus, I was wearing what I always wear on stage, which is, you know, a suit with cap toe wingtips or something and a shirt and tie.
Guest:So, walking home on a dark street, you know, I looked like the junior high principal you always hated.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But...
Guest:I saw... I walked past.
Guest:There were five guys.
Guest:It wasn't the main street.
Guest:It was just one block over that all the restaurants were on the street.
Guest:I didn't think I was... Right, and then one block over from there were projects.
Guest:But it turns out.
Guest:But here's the thing, and this is no baloney.
Guest:I walked past.
Guest:There were five guys or six guys leaning against a wall, and I walked past, and I knew... You felt it.
Guest:In the second shot, yeah, this... Something's going to happen because also, it's there...
Guest:In a way, it's a challenge.
Guest:I'm not excusing anything.
Marc:It's weird that you feel it, though.
Marc:You do feel it.
Guest:Oh, sure.
Guest:You know what?
Marc:Your brain was going, where do I go?
Marc:What do I do?
Guest:We human beings, especially men, have blocked out a lot of that.
Guest:But, you know, there's a lot of magic in the world.
Guest:Suddenly an old friend from school will come into your head and the guy calls the next day.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:If we just listen to this a little bit.
Guest:But at any rate, I walk past and...
Guest:Somebody called out to me and I just, you know, tried to smile.
Guest:It was like four or five feet away and just say, you know, tip your hat.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:You know, and, you know, salute with my cane.
Guest:But so at any rate, though, as I walk past and that was kind of a challenge, it was going to go down this way anyway.
Guest:And then they just came after me like eight, ten feet later.
Guest:And the guy just whipped me around.
Guest:And just punched me, and one punch I fell down.
Guest:I'm not being flippant now.
Guest:I'm in a punch, you know, whether it's elementary school or high school or something.
Guest:Not as a grown-up.
Guest:Well, exactly.
Guest:Not as an official grown-up.
Guest:But, you know, a punch can really... That's why boxers are usually afraid, because a punch, if it lands... At any rate, I went down.
Guest:It was a solid punch right on the button.
Guest:In your chin?
Guest:Yeah, it was the chin.
Guest:You know, there are spots.
Guest:There are nerve spots.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know who was a great, great boxer and knew every nerve spot?
Guest:Milton Berle.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:I had a chance to get to know him.
Marc:The box with Milton Berle?
Guest:Did you hit him?
Guest:Only in the later years.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:And by the way, still fast.
Guest:Oh, what a left...
Guest:No, but I'm saying he always knew he could take one knuckle out and just show you and say, hey, watch this.
Guest:And just touch it.
Guest:He could just touch with the middle knuckle.
Guest:And he was very strong anyway.
Guest:But just by touching it, and then like one of the other guys would actually catch you because your knees would go.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Does Milton Berle did that to you?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so at any rate, though, the point is, bang, I went down.
Guest:And then I'm kind of rolling along.
Guest:Just rolling around because I was dizzy.
Guest:And then one of the guys kicked me in the face.
Guest:But here's the thing.
Guest:This is why I was so grateful.
Guest:But here's the thing.
Guest:He kicked me.
Guest:And by the way, I wound up needing stitches.
Guest:But nothing was broken, number one.
Guest:And they stopped.
Guest:That's the thing.
Guest:They stopped there.
Guest:And they said, where's the money?
Guest:Give us your money.
Guest:I didn't even have anything with me because I hadn't taken a wallet from the hotel.
Guest:So all I had was like a $50 Seiko that I was a good stage watch, by the way.
Guest:but i just said it's just this thing but they believed me for some reason and i think that's actually a great great moment they stopped with one punch and one kick and they didn't get madder because i didn't have anything and they didn't say you're full of it and start really beating me and kicking me they stopped there they split and here's the thing i got up about 10 seconds later or a minute later
Guest:You know how head wounds really bleed?
Guest:This is where also everything becomes funny for people like us.
Guest:I'm bleeding.
Guest:It's a sheet down my face.
Guest:Plus, I'm wavering.
Guest:I've been punched pretty good and kicked pretty good.
Guest:And there's a big cut over my eye, like a rocky cut.
Marc:Are you going to tell me a trainer came out of a doorway and stitched you up?
Marc:Say, go back in there and get him, Larry.
Guest:And it just, Burgess Meredith came out and said, you're awake.
Guest:You're going to be a tiger.
Guest:But here's the thing.
Guest:I kept walking to the hotel, but I just got to the corner, and a car with a good Samaritan in it came by on this back street and leaned out and said, hey, buddy, are you okay?
Guest:Hey, aren't you Larry Miller?
Guest:No.
Guest:Yes, absolutely.
Guest:And at that moment, you would do the same thing.
Guest:I've got a sheet of blood down my face, but I computed.
Guest:I said, hey, I'm really getting out there.
Guest:That's pretty good.
Guest:Because with a torn shirt and bleeding all over my face.
Guest:What'd you see me on?
Guest:That's right.
Guest:Well, that's like the old comedy show.
Guest:What'd you see, the first show or the second show?
Guest:Yeah, it's a great show.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's no baloney, and I laughed, and the guy was such a nice guy.
Guest:So now it's 1, 1.30 in the morning, and he took me to the hospital.
Guest:No, he took me in the car and drove me around the corner there, and they called, that's right, they called the police first, and the police took me to the hospital.
Guest:Everyone was real nice, and by the way, just an emergency room thing.
Guest:This is the thing.
Guest:People have to be more grateful for the simple things in life.
Guest:There was nothing broken.
Guest:There were no teeth loose.
Guest:Did you go look for the guys or anything?
Guest:You know what?
Guest:They took me around, but I just said to them, I didn't know what was what, because it was going to be five or six guys, and I really hadn't even seen them.
Guest:It happened so fast, and they were in a shadow anyway.
Guest:So here's the thing, though.
Guest:They stitch up my eye.
Guest:Nothing's broken.
Guest:No vision affected.
Guest:And you know what?
Guest:I'm not exaggerating.
Guest:Even right then,
Guest:I was the happiest guy in the world, the luckiest guy on Broadway, because I thought, you know what?
Guest:I just got stitches.
Guest:My number came up.
Guest:The wheel stopped spinning, and my number came up.
Guest:How many people's numbers come up, and suddenly they catch a bullet in that eye?
Guest:Or you know what?
Guest:Or somebody actually hacks a handoff, or something like that.
Guest:I don't mean just in terms of a mugging.
Guest:I hear you.
Guest:I hear you.
Guest:Now, is this a new perspective for you?
Guest:No.
Guest:I'm lucky, because...
Guest:As dumb as I am, and I'm not just saying that.
Guest:We're all flawed.
Guest:We're all stupid in our ways.
Guest:But you know what?
Guest:It is no baloney.
Guest:That's part of what we do on This Week with Larry Miller.
Guest:With Jeff, we have the same outlook.
Guest:I'll tell you what, we close with the same line every day.
Guest:I've been putting in writing for years, and I mean it with all my heart.
Guest:I always say, folks,
Guest:If you walked out of bed today and you had a job to go to and a home to come back to and someone there who cares about you, guess what?
Guest:Game's over and you've won.
Guest:And I believe that with all my heart.
Guest:And I always did.
Guest:When these guys mugged me, you know what?
Guest:In fact, the police called back down at my house.
Guest:The San Francisco police called like two weeks later and just said, listen, if we ask you, would you come up here?
Guest:We want to show some pictures or something.
Guest:Or we think we got some guys.
Guest:They've had a past thing.
Guest:And I said, you know what?
Guest:If I saw these guys, and I wouldn't recognize them anyway, but if the guy said, yes, it was me, I'm sure he thought I was nuts.
Guest:I said, you know what?
Guest:I'd like to hug him because I'd like to say thanks for stopping.
Guest:And I don't know what your life is like, but you stopped.
Guest:And you and your guys stopped.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I was fine.
Guest:And you know what?
Guest:And I know that sure that sounded stupid to the policeman and maybe it sounds stupid to people out there, but I meant it completely at the time.
Guest:I was actually in a weird way thrilled because they stopped.
Marc:Now, where do you.
Guest:I don't.
Marc:Does that sound weird?
Marc:No, no, no.
Marc:I mean, what it sounds like is, you know, there's two ways to look at life.
Marc:Or maybe three.
Marc:But, you know, the one that you've chosen is one to experience gratitude and to experience compassion and be charitable and understand everyone has their own struggle.
Marc:And that, you know, however that struggle is defining their lives, you hope it's not hurting them.
Marc:So, I mean, that's a great outlook, but I don't know where the hell you come across that as a comic.
Marc:I mean, I don't know.
Marc:But I mean, how were you brought up?
Marc:I mean, you were brought up a Jewish family where?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, Long Island.
Guest:So, I mean, was your father a rabbi?
Guest:No, and by the way, I don't consider that necessarily any holier than just good people doing good things.
Marc:No, no, no, I agree with you, but, you know, we are in a brotherhood of miserable fucks.
Marc:Although, although.
Guest:that covers very kind hearts.
Marc:That's absolutely right.
Marc:We're very sensitive people.
Marc:We're very frightened people.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And I agree with you.
Marc:But, you know, I think what we're talking about, the primary difference is that they're selfish and then there's people who are able to empathize.
Guest:In fact,
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:You just reminded me, though, there's the traditional way to look at comics.
Guest:And I mean, one or two generations before me in like sort of like George Shultz, who used to own Pips in New York.
Guest:I don't know if you ever heard of the place.
Guest:In Brooklyn.
Guest:Yeah, he's gone now, George.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:In Sheepshead Bay.
Guest:It's a great club.
Guest:We were there all the time.
Guest:That's where Dice started, Otto and George.
Guest:George Schultz at Pips used to always say, and this is an older way of looking at comics, but it was funny still.
Guest:He used to say, and he was considered a great eye and ear, if George liked you, he could always tell you what to do.
Guest:And he used to say, show me a kid, nice kid, good family.
Guest:As a girlfriend comes up, when I went to college, this is not a funny kid.
Guest:He said, show me a kid.
Guest:great phrases you said yeah show me a kid bad complexion lives in a furnished room can't get a date this is a funny kid now now this is as you can see it's funny it's deeply funny and it speaks to us but it's also a few generations removed in an outlook of life it's more like the 30s 40s 50s comics of the alienation we can still feel that because by the way even story everyone is alienated that's why we're commenting
Marc:Well, I think that at that time, certainly in like you talk about something like Milton Berle and just the idea that there was a time where there were not just a handful, but dozens of Jewish boxers.
Marc:Really, there were a lot of Jewish boxers in the 20s.
Marc:And I think maybe even a little earlier than that, that there was an alienation, certainly among the Jews, that was cultural.
Marc:And that's a little different because I think that community was stronger.
Marc:But now as you get into modern comedy, the alienation becomes more personal.
Marc:And I think he was speaking to that.
Marc:And you just assume that we're carrying our own tourists with us and it's going to define us.
Marc:But I think we would always be the same.
Marc:But what is your point, though, in terms of where we are now?
Marc:I mean, you know, are you telling me that I'm not saying the comics have to be miserable or that they're miserable?
Marc:What I'm saying is that your open hearted sense of gratitude and empathy is is unusual for anyone in the culture we live in.
Guest:But that's also in real life.
Guest:in storytelling, that's why I was just gonna tell you, I had a part, this is a good movie too, it's called The Final Season, it was shot in Iowa for a month there, and it was like a Norman Rockwell painting, there were trains that would go by, great northern and western in the cornfields, it was as shattering as it could be, but that, it made me thrilled only in the storytelling part.
Guest:In real life, when people would actually invite you into their homes, and then you'd go, they had a dinner for the cast one, I did a thing,
Guest:These other actors you'd know, Marshall Bell and Dayton Calley.
Guest:Dayton lives in here, actually.
Guest:But Dayton was from Deadwood.
Guest:These are terrific actors.
Guest:Everyone out there, you'd know them from a thousand things.
Guest:But I got so alienated when you actually have to sit still in real life and be with civilians.
Guest:That, that Marshall Bell was always looking in over me, just going, just, you know, with his hands saying, just take it easy, take it easy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because in real life, that's when I and you and any performer, any creative person feels alienated from the image.
Guest:I can use it in storytelling.
Guest:And I love in real life actually being kind and having sympathy and empathy.
Guest:But in my own life, that's why I don't want to, I can't imagine when someone says, you want to go, there's an affair for this kind of thing.
Guest:Or you want to go, we'll all go out to dinner tonight.
Guest:I always think, why would we do that?
Guest:Why am I going out?
Guest:Can't we just be friends?
Guest:You know what I'd like to do?
Guest:I'm going to finish tonight and go home and have a drink.
Guest:Is that okay with you?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because the thought of, no, it's a nice new place.
Guest:So we can do what?
Guest:Cut chicken?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What are you talking about?
Guest:What are we going to talk about?
Guest:And then for how long?
Guest:So we look around.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And that's right.
Guest:For how long?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So what do we do then?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because civilians, that's their storytelling.
Guest:Civilians want to look around and say, I'm out at this place.
Guest:And then others will come in.
Guest:OK.
Marc:That's the play they're in.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So I guess we found a little bit of misery in you.
Guest:That's good.
Guest:Oh, no.
Guest:But you see, you have to understand.
Guest:No, I understand.
Guest:It's gigantic.
Guest:as yours or anyone's is, but it comes out because that's the nature of a writer, a performer, any kind of storyteller.
Guest:It's alienation.
Guest:Of course.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it doesn't mean just because I genuinely, and it is genuine, have, I don't want to use complimentary phrases, but I love meeting us, other brothers and sisters in the comic thing, and I love to talk about it, and I feel instantly at home, but that doesn't mean at all that in my work
Guest:There isn't the same detachment.
Guest:If I grew up in a situation, well, whether it's in a ghetto or something in 100 years ago where this was happening or that was happening, well, my edge would have been manifested in other ways, in harder ways.
Guest:The fact that I'm...
Guest:Here now, someone said to me once in an interview, well, it must be a great time to be a comic now because this is happening or there's a chance to buy it.
Guest:And I always said, you know what?
Guest:No, it's a great time to be a comic now because I'm alive now.
Guest:Fifty years ago, that would have been a great time to be a comic or 50 years from now.
Marc:Yeah, you're saying that the spirit would have been there no matter what now.
Marc:I know.
Marc:But I am.
Marc:That's interesting to me.
Marc:The idea of alienation.
Marc:It does not necessarily mean that you're miserable.
Marc:Doesn't necessarily mean that you're bitter.
Marc:It just means that you're sensitive and that and that you're going to see things with a little more sensitivity than than than other people.
Marc:And part of your job happens to be to be that guy.
Marc:But you don't have any complaints about it.
Marc:You're just saying that that's part of my physical makeup and I can be a very sweet guy.
Marc:I just I'm not going to indulge a boring evening out with people whose lives I'm not necessarily interested in because I'm a professional storyteller.
Marc:And I only listen to professional storytellers.
Guest:My wife, by the way, in a way, that's true.
Guest:My wife, who, again, is a storyteller, too.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And she comes.
Guest:Years ago, and they're nice people doesn't say who it is She said they were some of the kids friends from schools and we'll go with the parents like six people sure and it's the same thing and I'm home and off the road It's another night now can I'd rather sit downstairs and get quietly hammered but are there right?
Marc:But how much of that has to do with the fact I I learned this weird lesson you as comics you know especially when you're coming up and you're you want to be funny all the time and You're working your bits no matter where you are You know whether you're with other comics or whether this was in college
Marc:i got home from a party with a girl i was dating and this thing resonated with me and it changed my life she said to me she said you don't always have to be the center of attention and and then of course we fought for three hours and then i said all right maybe you're right uh but but there is an element to that that you know people are going to expect that out of you which is annoying that didn't know you didn't mention that that you know you are larry miller you're going to go to a show and then or you're going to go out to dinner with some other couples and there's going to be that point where they're like
Marc:What about you, Larry?
Guest:Yeah, and by the way, at that point, I'm so close.
Guest:I'm actually holding the steak knife in my hand.
Guest:Do you tell the story?
Guest:Yeah, you know, tell that thing about... What do you say?
Guest:There was this one night with the two couples, by the way, and my wife.
Guest:I love her.
Guest:She wants to do things.
Guest:That's grand.
Guest:I'm not a complete idiot.
Guest:All right, fine.
Guest:I know I'm going to lose that battle anyway.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:I got the handbook, so I'm sitting next to a guy...
Guest:And so it's six of us around the table.
Guest:Sure, it's the same thing.
Guest:So you're cutting something going, oh, a pinto, that's fantastic.
Guest:So at one point, the guy says to me, and my wife is sitting next to me, and she's having a great time.
Guest:She's animatedly talking to one of her friends about something or other.
Guest:And this guy says to me...
Guest:We can't write this sentence.
Guest:He taps me on the shoulder, and he says to me, you know, a lot of people think reinsurance is the same as insurance.
Guest:And he says that, and I just held up my finger and said, one second, please.
Guest:And I turned to my wife, and she had heard that.
Guest:And her back was kind of toward me, but she knew I was just going to look at her with daggers for making me do this.
Guest:And she turned more away.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:and put up the right elbow on the table and nodded even more at her friend who was talking.
Guest:So I said, I guess that's it then.
Guest:So that's the way it is.
Guest:You're not even going to accept my look of why did you do this to me.
Guest:And at that point, maybe this is a part of general nature too, because at that point, instead of doing a Gleason where you just say, that's it, you, get out.
Guest:Instead of that, I turned back to the guy and actually said out loud,
Guest:All right, you win.
Guest:Go ahead.
Guest:And he gave me a 42-minute thing about reinsurance and the differences between that and insurance.
Guest:And it was such a profound emptiness to me that even when the waiter came back and said, Would you like another drink?
Guest:Because I already had one.
Guest:I actually thought...
Guest:No, because I remember my grandfather's advice when my grandmother died.
Guest:Someone said, you know, come here, Alex, sit down and you'll have a drink.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he said, no, I only drink when I'm happy.
Guest:And I actually remembered his voice then in a very different way because I said, go ahead.
Guest:And the guy started speaking.
Guest:The waiter came over.
Guest:Can I get you another drink?
Guest:And I just said, no, thank you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because you know what?
Guest:When I get home.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Then I might have a giant tumbler of something.
Marc:That would be the reward.
Guest:Yeah, because no, I'm not going to surviving this.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:And I'm not going to waste something I like on this moment.
Guest:I'm going to take it in the neck and then I'll say on the way home, you know what?
Guest:I'm OK.
Guest:That's all right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Do you have a good time with your friend?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because I'll tell you what, if you want, I can tell you the difference between insurance and reinsurance.
Guest:Can you tell me?
Guest:You know what?
Guest:That's the real test.
Guest:No, you know what?
Guest:That's why, not surprisingly, I was lying to her because not surprisingly, I was doing the best acting I have.
Marc:Listening.
Guest:Yeah, just trying to do the nod and the, boy, I tell you, yeah.
Guest:And every so often say things like, well, yeah, they're all crazy.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:You know, just whatever it is because I was.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Three.
Guest:Three of them.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:Imagine that.
Guest:I can see the room now.
Guest:You're really painting the picture so I can see as you brought the report in.
Marc:That's hilarious.
Marc:But the thing is, it's important to know that this is not being condescending.
Marc:It just is what it is.
Marc:I don't socialize much at all except when I was married.
Marc:You have that responsibility.
Marc:But I socialize with other comics.
Marc:But I do socialize with people.
Marc:I'm interested in people who do interesting things.
Marc:But it's not a crime not to be interested in that.
Marc:I'm sorry.
Marc:But he should take that to a convention.
Marc:Of course.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Cops hang out with cops.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And you know what?
Guest:Why would any cop want to have someone say, so you ever have anything interesting happen out there?
Guest:Why would he want to tell a story like that?
Guest:No, you know what?
Guest:Do me a favor.
Guest:I'm going to go back to the dip here and just leave me alone.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Now, do when when in terms of fans, though, I mean, you got to love the fans.
Guest:What the truth is, though, it's a very deep affection.
Guest:This is something I've never understood before.
Guest:I don't understand this in other performers.
Guest:If I'm lucky enough to work enough that folks get to know me, that's a very deep affection.
Guest:relationship to me.
Guest:And if they come up to me, I've never had that thing.
Guest:If I'm eating somewhere, I've never had that thing while I'm eating now.
Guest:I always stand right up and say, you know what?
Guest:I'm glad you said hi.
Guest:And I mean it with my full heart.
Guest:Can we take a picture?
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:And you know what?
Guest:Because there's no doubt in my mind, I'm the lucky one here.
Guest:I know that there are even some great people I admire, like Paul Newman.
Guest:who's gone now, but you can't be greater or a greater person than that guy was.
Guest:But he always had a thing for 50 years.
Guest:He would never sign autographs.
Guest:He didn't talk to people.
Guest:I don't know how he did it, but he would just kind of brush people off.
Guest:Well, he's a great guy and he's gone, but I don't understand it in our kind of performer.
Guest:Excuse me, I'm eating now, you know, or.
Marc:But it's interesting that because of the podcast that I'm very personal on the mic and you mean, you know, I know that these people are coming at me with a real relationship with me.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:I talk fairly honestly here.
Marc:So they're going to approach me and they're going to ask me how my cats are and whether or not Larry Miller was a nice guy for real or that kind of stuff.
Marc:And I'll indulge them because I feel close to them and I'm grateful that they enjoy the show.
Guest:That's exactly right.
Marc:It's a deep relationship.
Marc:But because of my particular insecurities, I have to be careful that I don't have no comment.
Marc:So what are you guys doing now?
Marc:Can I come over to the house?
Marc:People invite me to a Seder in Australia.
Marc:And it was one of those moments where I'm like, well, you know, I'm lonely here.
Marc:And I got a show that night.
Marc:Don't those things stay seven hours?
Marc:But I was very grateful that they asked me.
Marc:Of course.
Guest:But that's the nice moment.
Guest:No, you can't go for a variety of reasons.
Guest:But that's the right moment.
Guest:It's so funny.
Guest:As soon as you said that, I smiled, though, because when you said I have to be careful because I don't want to dive in too far.
Guest:But I can do that.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:The same thing.
Guest:I don't know if it's an insecurity.
Guest:But, yeah, when someone talks...
Guest:I'm always an inch away from saying, sure, what time is dinner?
Guest:Especially when it's about you.
Guest:Can we go to your house and talk more about me?
Guest:But actually, there's something else there.
Guest:In truth, there's something else.
Guest:I have to be careful.
Guest:I don't know if you're this way, but I feel I'm so spongy for...
Guest:The life of other people in a sense.
Guest:The fact that this is another life I've never met.
Guest:The same way I am going down a street I've never been down.
Guest:Where I really light up like that.
Guest:I have to be careful not to tumble down.
Guest:But actually, it's not about...
Guest:Me, then, or the work.
Guest:But it's just about saying, really, so what do you do?
Guest:But where are you from?
Guest:So were your parents like this?
Guest:Or what did you do?
Guest:How many kids do you have?
Guest:I have to be careful not to tumble down, because then people, by the way, the people you're talking to, begin to realize just 10 seconds later,
Guest:This doesn't quite feel right.
Guest:Why am I?
Marc:Why is he still here?
Guest:Exactly right.
Guest:So you know what?
Guest:The best thing to do is shattering my illusion of who he is.
Guest:Or of what any moment is like.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, it makes them nervous because then all of a sudden there's boundaries that you're saying that have to be respected.
Guest:sincere moment a nice bond mm-hmm all which can be told once as once again as Lenny Bruce said not just of audiences but people in real life they know everything so if it's sincerely done and you stand up and you say you know what whether it's shaking hands or taking a picture you say you know what thanks buddy it means the world and it really does right but then you don't stand there and just say boy I tell you they're crowded today huh yeah yeah yeah yeah you know if it's a supermarket
Guest:Right.
Marc:The work speaks for itself.
Marc:And I imagine that on some level that's how Paul Newman felt, that his personal life was his personal life, his boundaries were what they were, and that my philanthropic nature is evident.
Marc:And my work is great.
Marc:I don't have time for you.
Guest:I apologize.
Guest:Although, once again, I can't...
Guest:That's not how I live.
Guest:I like to make that content.
Marc:But I mean, I can understand that because I think the kernel of what you were saying was that if you do your job in what we do well, that all these things and who you are will become apparent.
Marc:And now after the show is over, you can engage and be nice and grateful.
Marc:But after a certain point, you don't want to make them uncomfortable.
Right.
Guest:Well, that's true, if it's in a nurturing way.
Guest:But the truth is, comedy, as you know, also is very deep.
Guest:It's not a frivolous light thing.
Guest:If you make people laugh, it really lights something up.
Guest:It's very deep.
Guest:The relationship is very deep.
Guest:So someone really wants to say, and it should be appreciated.
Guest:Wow, you really...
Guest:You know, hi.
Guest:You really did something.
Guest:If we don't hear that, it's so important when someone says, you know what?
Guest:I had a hard week this week.
Guest:And you really made me laugh.
Guest:That's a very important thing to hear.
Guest:I know.
Guest:Instead of us saying, even on a show when people like us say, no, the lights weren't right.
Guest:The sound was off.
Guest:Oh, I didn't do the thing.
Guest:I forgot this thing.
Guest:And I misordered that.
Guest:But when someone says, you know what?
Guest:That was great.
Guest:And I had a tough day.
Guest:And you really made me laugh.
Guest:we have to say with our full hearts, because what, what a gift that is.
Guest:You know what, buddy?
Guest:Thanks.
Marc:Yeah, that's absolutely right.
Marc:And I, and I, you know, sometimes, um, it was interesting because I was just at the, uh, the Irvine improv last week and it was, it was some tough shows and I had my, uh, my, my fans come out, but there were plenty of free tickets there.
Marc:And there was that moment where, uh,
Marc:I made this decision, like I gotta do this for the people that came to see me, and they're gonna see that I gotta deal with this heckler, I gotta deal with these drunk girls, I gotta deal with these people that have free tickets, they didn't know who they were going to see, but I got 20 people out of 60 that came to see me, and I've got to make this experience real for them.
Marc:and make it rewarding for them because these are my people and I'm not at a point where I'm doing theaters.
Marc:So that has become sort of a weird social responsibility because back in the past, I'm like, well, if you're going to take me, if you're going to make this miserable for everybody with your heckling or you're not going to shut up, let's just see how shitty this can get.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Hold hands with me.
Guest:We're jumping.
Guest:But you know what?
Guest:By the way, that's to show you.
Guest:We never know.
Guest:Katie Levine, who works at Corolla's place there in Ace Broadcasting.
Guest:By the way, she's just leaving to something else.
Guest:But she was there Sunday night.
Guest:I saw her the other night.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:She came to my show.
Guest:She was there.
Guest:And she said last night, because we were there with our show and then I was on Adam's show,
Guest:And she said, you know what, he was great.
Guest:I think he was unhappy about something else, but she's hip.
Guest:She's sort of in the family.
Guest:So she said, yeah, but I told him he was great, you know, and he was in this.
Guest:And so we never know.
Guest:It's the same thing I just mentioned before.
Guest:You and I and any performer on stage may have a thousand things we want and didn't get or didn't do.
Guest:But when someone says, you know what?
Guest:That was good.
Guest:It was really great.
Marc:Well, that was an interesting night because it was one of those times where I knew I had fans there.
Marc:She was there, and I just on Adam's show, and we had a good time.
Marc:And it was a small crowd.
Marc:It was Mother's Day.
Marc:And I had a table full of Latino guys with their girlfriends with the L.A.
Marc:Dodgers caps on.
Marc:And they were free tickets.
Marc:And I said right up front, I said, look, I got about 15 fans here.
Marc:I know about 30 or 40 are here on free tickets.
Marc:I know it's Mother's Day.
Marc:I had a drunk woman with her daughter, both of them drunk.
Marc:She had brought her there.
Marc:Oh, good.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But I was excited about the situation because in a small room where you're not beholden to material.
Marc:You know, I said to these dudes, I said, you know, you're free tickets, right?
Marc:And they're like, yeah.
Marc:And I go, well, look.
Marc:you it we're never ever going to find ourselves in this situation again you and i are not going unless you know we're waiting online somewhere we would not be talking and we would not be hanging out but i think that if you give me a chance you know we'll find some common ground here at least you can laugh at me and i'll tell you by the end of the show that you know i saw them laughing it was very important to me that they were laughing because i'm as a comic there's part of me that still believes unlike some other members of my generation that
Marc:There are these people that are like, I just want my people there.
Marc:It's like, you know what?
Marc:I want people that don't know who I am.
Guest:That's right.
Marc:Because that's the job.
Marc:And if I can make those guys laugh, and this is a relatively new perspective for me, as opposed to saying, you know, this is fucked.
Marc:How are they going to understand me?
Marc:I'm so different.
Marc:But this is my job.
Marc:So, you know, I noticed in those moments where I was looking to them.
Marc:I wasn't looking at my fans.
Marc:I was looking at the L.A.
Marc:Dodgers cap.
Marc:And I was saying, and when he laughed, I'm like, I'm doing my job.
Marc:I'm connecting.
Marc:And it was very rewarding for me.
Guest:It's immensely important.
Guest:I know exactly what you mean.
Guest:By the way, you reminded me, we used to say, because everyone along the way is known or unknown, and there's a star level way at the top, but we used to say, at the Comedy Store, for instance, when Richard Pryor would come in, or Dangerfield, a catch in New York or something, of course, a roar would go up that was so strong.
Guest:Oh, this is unbelievable.
Guest:But here's the interesting thing.
Guest:Yeah, I know what you're going to say.
Guest:I bet you do.
Guest:That 25 or so seconds after that, you've got to do some stuff.
Marc:That's right.
Guest:It's hard to follow that.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:But it's hard to follow that even for the person who received it.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:That's what I mean.
Marc:That the thrill of recognition when you reach a certain level of celebrity is very hard to live up to.
Guest:Just like us or just like anyone at any point in comedy of you're a comic.
Guest:Let's see what you got right now.
Marc:Let me this is a weird questions left field.
Marc:I don't know what's going to happen to Jack Benny have any relevance to you.
Guest:Oh, sure.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:Because for some reason, when I when I used to watch you when I was younger, I thought there was some sort of direct correlation between the type of deliberate timing that you have between you and Jack Ben.
Guest:Well, first of all, it's a great compliment.
Guest:I don't know anything about that consciously, but who knows what makes us.
Guest:What was so important to me was that I loved the guy as a kid.
Guest:At that point, it was on his TV show.
Guest:And, I mean, all those fellas, Burns and all these guys and the guys from after them in the 50s, I still heard, by the way, this is so weird, no kidding.
Guest:Sunday, that Mother's Day, and I had a show in Dayton Saturday night.
Guest:I finished a part in Bobcat Goldthwait.
Guest:He's writing, directing a movie.
Guest:Great guy.
Guest:And he's great.
Guest:And so I'm in it, and I had a death scene, in fact, that day.
Guest:And I was talking to the guys who were the great pros who put everything on you, the squibs and these guys, Dennis and Don.
Guest:And each time, because the guy's name was Don...
Guest:And this is just then Sunday night.
Guest:And I'm dead.
Guest:I've only had a half hour sleep.
Guest:And I'm thrilled because I'm acting.
Guest:I'm glad to be in Bob's movie.
Guest:But here's the thing.
Guest:Every time they had to redo me and change all the clothes and change all the blood stuff and the squibs, and Don was there.
Guest:And I haven't said this ever in my life.
Guest:I began doing a Jack Benny impression.
Guest:This is the only reason I'm bringing this up now, because you happen to bring it up.
Guest:And I'm not an impressionist.
Guest:I can get close, I think.
Guest:But as you know, impressionists who are good are just great.
Guest:But I just kept saying to him, oh, Don.
Guest:And because it was folks listening wouldn't even know that's Don Wilson, who was his announcer and his Ed McMahon.
Guest:Folks wouldn't even know that.
Guest:And they started to chuckle.
Guest:And I just said, you know, that's the first time
Guest:in america that mentioning don wilson's oh don and and don wilson yeah and so that just saying that and we were laughing these two guys and me and we were recalling i was remembering how then all these memories folks wouldn't know about but that dennis day who was his boy singer what they used to call their but the boy he was already 57 it doesn't matter because in those days it was like stinking of the three stooges still wearing the kid's outfit yeah yeah
Guest:You know, he's 61, but he's still wearing the, oh, I'll pinch you, that guy.
Guest:So that Dennis Day was still, to Jack Benny, he'd always say, oh, hello, kid.
Guest:And he'd always call me kid.
Guest:Oh, hi, Mr. Benny.
Guest:Because these characters live eternally.
Guest:That's why, by the way, I love not only...
Guest:radio and podcasting but in comedy on on adam's show we do a bit called the hypothetical road game that never wins and people get get it out there they've gotten it from the start they know that it's the trip along the way people who don't understand show business or comedy will always say
Guest:For instance, how long is the brother-in-law going to live upstairs?
Guest:As long as it's funny.
Guest:The brother-in-law lives upstairs forever.
Guest:How long?
Guest:Boy, why does the neighbor always keep coming in?
Guest:Because it's comedy.
Guest:And because it's natural.
Guest:And because that's why the doors are next to each other.
Guest:Oh, hiya, Jared.
Guest:That's why Kramer could come in that way.
Guest:Well, where does he live?
Guest:Does he live a mile away?
Guest:No, he lives right next door.
Guest:People get that.
Guest:And that's funny that you mentioned Jack Benny, though, because for the first time in my life,
Guest:just a day before getting fake bullets shot on me, I was actually saying, I found myself in a, see, life is weird.
Guest:I found myself saying, oh, Don, because every time the guy Don would change the thing, Don, I think there's more blood on my shoe.
Guest:So there's the magic.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Thanks, Larry Miller.
Guest:Pal, you know what?
Guest:It's a pleasure.
Guest:And let me just say again, hlarrymiller.com.
Guest:Folks can get anywhere from there.
Marc:You're one of the greats.
Marc:Thanks, man.
Bye.
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Marc:A funny man.
Marc:A man who knows how to talk on a microphone.
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Marc:Some of them are now appearing on iTunes.
Marc:Go to iTunes, search WTF Premium, or go to WTFPodShop.com for some of those special live ones that you can only get there and also some of the more popular and fun out-of-print ones.
Marc:Are they out-of-print or now available for a purchase type of deal?
Marc:Please donate to the show.
Marc:I know I sound happier.
Marc:I know you think everything's going great, but I'm still trying to make a living here.
Marc:No one's giving me a million dollars.
Marc:Could someone please give me a million dollars?
Marc:And that way I'll never ask for money again.
Marc:Just could someone donate a million dollars to my show?
Marc:Is that too much to ask?
Marc:If you got that kicking around, Tobey Maguire, who I just read lost or won $20.
Marc:million billion dollars playing poker.
Marc:I guess he earned it.
Marc:Give me some of that Spider-Man money, Toby.
Marc:But you know what?
Marc:Just come on the show.
Marc:Why am I even out of all the people?
Marc:Whatever.
Marc:Fuck it.
Marc:I got to go.
Marc:I'll be at Rooster Teeth Feathers in Sunnyvale, California, July 7th, 8th, and 9th.
Marc:It's in the Bay Area.
Marc:Make the trip.
Marc:They got a good sound system.
Marc:I like that place.
Marc:They put me up at a pretty good hotel, and I'm going to pick up my girl Jessica's stuff at the storage space so she doesn't have to store it anymore, and then we're going to go put it in her apartment and use that as a storage space, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Thanks for chipping in.
Marc:No problem See ya