Episode 1659 - Dustin Chafin / Darby Allin

Episode 1659 • Released July 10, 2025 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Marc:all right let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fucking ears what's happening i'm mark maron this is my podcast welcome to it how's it going out there how'd everybody do i don't know general question how'd everybody do

00:00:26Marc:I did okay this morning.

00:00:27Marc:Did you do okay this morning?

00:00:29Marc:How far into the day are you?

00:00:31Marc:What's going on?

00:00:32Marc:Oh, my God.

00:00:34Marc:There's a lot of stuff.

00:00:35Marc:There's a lot of stuff.

00:00:37Marc:A lot of things are breaking down in me, in my body.

00:00:42Marc:My eyes are fucked up.

00:00:43Marc:That's for another day.

00:00:45Marc:Not bad.

00:00:46Marc:Just keep, you know, I mean, every year, a little worse.

00:00:51Marc:Everything's a little worse on the physical side.

00:00:53Marc:But, you know, that's the gift.

00:00:55Marc:That's the gift of continuing to live.

00:00:58Marc:You can just watch things in your body slowly break down.

00:01:03Marc:How's it going?

00:01:04Marc:Good morning.

00:01:05Marc:Yeah, that's where I'm at.

00:01:07Marc:Look, today...

00:01:08Marc:A couple of interesting things today.

00:01:10Marc:Well, first of all, I'm going to talk to Dustin Chafin.

00:01:13Marc:He's a comedian who I literally have known for, wow, I don't know.

00:01:19Marc:It's got to be 25 years.

00:01:21Marc:I haven't talked to him, I don't think, in 20 years.

00:01:24Marc:And he was around when I was in New York.

00:01:27Marc:I'm guessing, it got to be 2000s, early 2000s.

00:01:31Marc:He used to run a room show.

00:01:33Marc:I think he was roommates.

00:01:35Marc:We talk about it, but I think he was roommates with Bargetsy.

00:01:38Marc:He tours with Bargetsy now, but back in the day, he had sort of a gimmick going, and I think he's over it, but we talk about it.

00:01:47Marc:He texted me out of nowhere, and he was like, can we talk?

00:01:49Marc:And I'm like, yeah, man, yeah.

00:01:52Marc:You can go to DustinChafin.com to see his tour dates.

00:01:57Marc:I'm just glad he's still around.

00:02:00Marc:He's coming up.

00:02:01Marc:Now, the other thing that we're going to do today is kind of interesting.

00:02:04Marc:Now, a lot of you know me.

00:02:06Marc:I'm not challenging myself.

00:02:11Marc:There's a spectrum to it.

00:02:13Marc:OK, you know, I don't go overboard, certainly not physically.

00:02:19Marc:You know, I keep in shape.

00:02:20Marc:I do the exercising.

00:02:22Marc:I think I'm actually I believe that Men's Health Magazine is some for some reason going to do a piece on me.

00:02:28Marc:And I tried to make it clear to.

00:02:32Marc:The person arranging it that like, you know, I'm not ripped and, you know, I'm not really abiding by any specific protocol diet wise other than the one that I've created for myself, you know, but I am I am fit.

00:02:45Marc:Is that going to be enough?

00:02:46Marc:I'd prefer no pictures with the shirt off.

00:02:49Marc:I don't really want to do any action shots.

00:02:52Marc:But look, I push it.

00:02:53Marc:I do my thing, man.

00:02:55Marc:You know, I mean, I go up that mountain.

00:02:57Marc:I was going up a lot more.

00:02:58Marc:I haven't been going up lately because since I broke my foot and passed out and a slight fear, but not so much going up, going down.

00:03:05Marc:And for some reason, me and gimme gimme Dan, we choose to run down and you don't want to compromise, you know, your your your pattern.

00:03:14Marc:You don't want to compromise your your system.

00:03:19Marc:But again, you get old, you got to tweak the system.

00:03:22Marc:You got to make some compromises.

00:03:23Marc:But nonetheless, that's a hard hike.

00:03:26Marc:And I do it frequently enough to be used to it.

00:03:28Marc:But it's still it's still fucking hard.

00:03:31Marc:So that's the limit.

00:03:33Marc:I don't need to necessarily push myself beyond the limits I'm comfortable with of just staying in shape.

00:03:39Marc:I've never been one of these guys that's had to achieve success.

00:03:43Marc:You know, kind of personal monumental bests in the form of, you know, doing something that no one else does.

00:03:52Marc:Not jumping out of planes.

00:03:54Marc:You know, I'm not climbing Everest, which comes to my guest right now.

00:04:00Marc:My special guest, this guy.

00:04:03Marc:All right, look, we posted something on the full Marin bonus feed last week and we figured, you know, we shared some of it with the whole audience today because it was, you know, it's a unique piece of conversation.

00:04:15Marc:If you don't know about the Friday show on the full Marin, my producer, Brendan McDonald,

00:04:19Marc:And my board op and co-worker from back in the day, Chris Lopresto, do a bonus show every week where they recap everything basically in the WTF orbit.

00:04:31Marc:Last week, they had a guest on, Darby Allin.

00:04:34Marc:Okay.

00:04:34Marc:He's an AEW wrestler and a pro skateboarder.

00:04:38Marc:And he also just got back...

00:04:41Marc:from the top of Mount Everest.

00:04:43Marc:And look, I've never spoken with anyone who climbed Mount Everest before, so they had me come on to the Friday show and talk with Darby.

00:04:54Marc:Now, okay, a couple things.

00:04:55Marc:He'll be auctioning off some items from his climb to raise money for Tony Hawk's skateboard project.

00:05:01Marc:But he also has other reasons he wanted to make the climb.

00:05:04Marc:And he told us about him.

00:05:05Marc:So this was me on the Friday show last week talking with Darby Allen over video chat from his home.

00:05:12Marc:OK, and you'll hear Brendan here getting the introduction started.

00:05:25Guest:Well, Darby, good to meet you.

00:05:27Guest:Glad you're here with us.

00:05:28Guest:I figured it was a great time to have you on with Mark because Mark is also a guy who climbs a lot of mountains.

00:05:34Guest:He climbs them figuratively.

00:05:35Guest:He climbs them literally.

00:05:37Guest:And I thought that you just came back from a mountain.

00:05:40Guest:And first of all, how are you?

00:05:42Guest:Are you doing fine now that you're back?

00:05:45Guest:Yeah, no, fuck yeah.

00:05:47Guest:I'm surprisingly feeling great.

00:05:49Guest:I thought, you know, coming back, I was going to be all mangled and shit and it was going to be like snap back.

00:05:54Guest:Because in my outside of just wrestling, I skateboard all the time and I do all these other crazy stuff.

00:06:00Guest:So pretty much as soon as I got back, I was off to a plane to Bahamas, the film Shark Week.

00:06:06Guest:so it was a it's like a whole thing but my body feels great i feel mentally great and that's the coolest thing is i've learned so much inside within myself on that mountain there's so much stuff i can get into when it comes to the life lessons that i've learned on that mountain because a lot of people say it's not about summoning mount everett it's about conquering like yourself and your inside and pulling stuff out so okay all right well i got some questions then

00:06:30Marc:Let's start with the dead people.

00:06:33Marc:Now, how many dead people did you walk by?

00:06:36Guest:I believe there was like a total of eight.

00:06:39Guest:But you know, the crazy thing is,

00:06:41Guest:When I went up and then I instantly, when I did the summon, I was coming back down.

00:06:46Guest:You see all these new dead bodies that you didn't see within the last 12 hours.

00:06:51Marc:That just got there?

00:06:53Guest:Yeah, like new ones that died within 12 hours.

00:06:56Guest:Come on.

00:06:57Marc:People just dropping dead up there like every day?

00:06:59Guest:Oh, I don't know about every day, but it was literally, I went up.

00:07:03Guest:When I did the summit and then I was coming down, all of a sudden you see a new dead body that wasn't there on the trail 12 hours ago.

00:07:11Marc:A different jacket?

00:07:13Guest:Yeah.

00:07:16Guest:It was pretty crazy because then you start thinking about your own situation and obviously they don't go there with the death wish.

00:07:22Guest:They go there thinking, oh shit, I'm going to do this motherfucking mountain.

00:07:26Guest:And then it just...

00:07:27Guest:It doesn't work out.

00:07:29Guest:And it's just like you're like, oh, my God, how are the Sherpas?

00:07:31Guest:They just like leave.

00:07:32Guest:It's just like a whole thing.

00:07:33Marc:I don't know what I don't know why they leave there.

00:07:35Marc:But maybe the guy's like, you know, I'm going to climb this fucking mountain if it's the last thing I do.

00:07:40Marc:And it turns out it was.

00:07:43Guest:There is a thing called summit fever where people just don't know when to turn around.

00:07:48Guest:And I felt that I felt that a hundred percent because when I was climbing summit day, we left camp four at 11 PM and I was going for the summit.

00:07:58Guest:And then out of fucking nowhere, there's this traffic jam.

00:08:02Guest:You hear, you hear these stories of traffic jams all the time.

00:08:06Guest:Um, but here it was just a good weather day.

00:08:09Guest:So everybody wanted to almost summit like that day.

00:08:12Guest:And you know, if you think about the grand scheme of,

00:08:14Guest:people on everest a little only a little over 400 permits were issued this year you know people like oh my god everybody and their mom's doing fucking everest like that's not the case is 400 people in the whole fucking world doing this mountain but like in in general do you uh just by judging by your the way you live your life do you know when to turn around

00:08:36Guest:No, not really, because I'll explain in detail about the whole psychology behind the way I live and why I live the way I live.

00:08:49Guest:But it's like the first thing when I was about to do this mountain, the guy asked me, are you willing to die on that mountain?

00:08:58Guest:And then you're like, yeah, absolutely.

00:09:00Guest:Because if you're not,

00:09:02Guest:don't even step foot on the mountain because you got loved ones.

00:09:06Guest:You got all this shit.

00:09:06Guest:Like my mom and my brother walked to base camp with me.

00:09:09Guest:And I remember my brother and my mom, uh, after it was time for them to leave and I'm staying there to get ready to do this mountain.

00:09:18Guest:And I remember them walking away and I'm like crying to myself thinking this is not going to be the last time I see them.

00:09:25Guest:And this is, and then I was like, I need to like be so strong and finish this mountain and

00:09:29Guest:And it just puts things in perspective where you're like, damn, man, I could see if I have, say, a family with kids and stuff.

00:09:37Guest:I almost feel like I wouldn't be on that mountain because it's kind of a selfish thing to do.

00:09:42Guest:But at the same time, it becomes really, real fast.

00:09:46Marc:It's a high price to pay for recreation.

00:09:49Guest:Yeah.

00:09:50Guest:But it's just such a spiritual journey and pulling stuff out of you.

00:09:55Guest:Yeah.

00:09:56Guest:like i said when i got to the top of the mountain i was crying it was just such a overwhelming feeling of accomplishment and it's like pulling something out of yourself and oh you know you hear this the traffic jams it goes back to the traffic jams and all this stuff about the traffic jams and then instantly we're climbing and then all of a sudden everything just stops and you're like oh shit what's going on and then

00:10:23Guest:there's about a little over 100 people in this line.

00:10:25Guest:And you're not moving on the side of the mountain for an hour, over an hour.

00:10:29Guest:You're standing in the same spot.

00:10:31Guest:And I start to panic because I feel, I see all the Sherpas that I'm with, they're getting cold.

00:10:37Guest:They're smacking their hands together, stomping their feet.

00:10:39Guest:And I was like, oh shit, these guys.

00:10:42Guest:And I was like, what's going on?

00:10:45Guest:And I was like, damn.

00:10:47Guest:And then I was like, people are running out of their oxygen tanks.

00:10:50Guest:And some people are like turning back and just be like, yo, fuck this.

00:10:53Guest:And then I could see right there, I was like, how am I going to explain to anybody I didn't do Everest because of a traffic jam?

00:11:00Guest:It's just a hard thing.

00:11:01Guest:You kind of just hit the panic button.

00:11:04Guest:I felt 100% summit fever on that fucking mountain at that time.

00:11:07Guest:I was like, I'm going to fucking die on this mountain before I turn back.

00:11:10Guest:And it's a real thing.

00:11:11Marc:Oh, you mean summit fever is you've got to get there, not like an actual physical sickness.

00:11:17Guest:Yeah, it's a mental thing where you're thinking, oh, shit, man.

00:11:20Guest:So much goes into it, so much time, the money, everything that goes into it.

00:11:28Guest:Me, in the sense of being publicly saying, I'm climbing Mount Everest, so there's these expectations that, oh, this guy's going to fucking do this.

00:11:38Guest:Uh, and I was like, man, I got to do this because the year before I was supposed to climb, I broke my foot in a match a week before I was supposed to fly out.

00:11:46Marc:I just don't get like, if they only gave out 400, uh, you know, uh, permits for the year, we're all 400 on the mountain the same day you were.

00:11:54Guest:No, so it's all spread out.

00:11:57Guest:People pick different summit days, and it's like a weather window.

00:12:01Guest:But the day I was going, it felt like there was like 160 people going for the summit from Camp 4, which up there seems like a lot when it happens.

00:12:13Guest:But it was just, yeah, it was really crazy just being up there and

00:12:17Guest:And I'm no mountain expert.

00:12:19Guest:I don't claim to be a mountain expert.

00:12:21Guest:I just claim to work really hard and dedicate myself quick and apply myself.

00:12:27Guest:And just seeing a lot of people up there that had no business of being up there.

00:12:31Guest:Sure.

00:12:32Guest:It's like, holy shit, this is crazy.

00:12:35Marc:Like families with kids or something?

00:12:38Guest:Well, just physically, physically not being like, you know, and they're just getting pulled up.

00:12:43Guest:And in a lot of cultures, some cultures, it's like if you climb Mount Everest, you get a promotion in your job.

00:12:49Guest:And then, yeah, it's crazy because then some people go do it, but they can't summit.

00:12:54Guest:So they Photoshop themselves on top of the mountain to get the summit.

00:12:57Guest:And then they find out that it's fucking fake and they're like, fire this guy.

00:13:01Guest:Stolen mountain valor.

00:13:04Guest:And then I was like, dude, I got to, I got to summit this.

00:13:06Guest:I can't Photoshop myself on Everest.

00:13:08Marc:um but it was uh yeah it was very uh humbling but it just comes from you know i don't know how yeah it just there's a lot of moving parts of why i even wanted to start the fucking mountain in the first place like but based on like you know like what you do for a living and how you've lived your life and sort of acknowledging that a lot of that you know comes from whatever damage you have in your childhood were you able to let go any of that going up there

00:13:38Guest:Yeah, well, it's also...

00:13:41Guest:uh just letting this proving to yourself that you're capable of anything and i know that sounds generic but honestly we live in the world in the professional wrestling world the guy who runs the show controls how far you're gonna make it or how low you're gonna make it so someone's in control of your destiny it's not like say boxing or you know mixed martial arts where i'm gonna prove i'm the best by knocking you out it doesn't work like that in the world of wrestling there's so much

00:14:09Guest:politicking and random shit that goes into it and I wanted to just prove to myself I'm fucking capable of this because you can't politic your way up that mountain there's no helicopter that goes up that high where you can jump out and take a nice little photo on the summit and be like yo I climbed Everest and just lie to people you gotta fucking scratch and claw your way up that fucking shit and then that's where it was so humbling to remind myself what I'm capable of because you get into the world of wrestling there's nothing else like the world of wrestling to me

00:14:38Guest:It's like the most amazing job in the world from someone like myself because it's like stunts, acting.

00:14:46Guest:It chucks off all the boxes that I'm very passionate about.

00:14:48Guest:But on the flip side, like I said, someone else has control of your destiny.

00:14:52Guest:Someone else has control of how far you're going to make it and how low you're going to make it because you can have this passion.

00:14:57Guest:I'm the fucking man.

00:14:58Guest:It's like, well, no, you're not.

00:14:59Guest:You're going to be losing every week.

00:15:00Guest:And it's just like, I don't know.

00:15:02Guest:It's just that, dude, I see the world of wrestling and I love, like I said, I love fucking wrestling, but

00:15:08Guest:It's kind of crazy how people get into this small bubble and then allows them to be chewed up and spit out because all it is is a 15 minute ride.

00:15:17Guest:And then if you don't focus on your fucking real life, it's going to chew you up and spit you out and you're going to believe your own hype.

00:15:23Guest:And the next thing you know, you're being this character that you are on TV in real life.

00:15:27Guest:And it's like, dude, detach.

00:15:30Guest:I always wanted to be the person coming into the world of wrestling.

00:15:33Guest:I always wanted to leave the same person coming out.

00:15:36Guest:I didn't want to just all of a sudden get this ego and just all of a sudden believe in my own hype.

00:15:39Guest:And like, I'm fucking Darby Allen.

00:15:42Guest:It's like, shut the fuck up, dude.

00:15:43Guest:And there's a bunch of little parts in it.

00:15:46Guest:And to be able to do this mountain in the middle of what I feel is my physical...

00:15:53Guest:peak where i feel amazing and tony khan uh the owner of adw being like yo do this shit it's like cool because a lot of people in the world wrestling man they they just chew you up and spit you out and leave you with nothing and the fact that he allowed me to do this is i'm so grateful for it and you know it's funny we did so much just i don't know it started from an early age of trying to push myself out of my comfort zone and

00:16:22Guest:And the moment I started doing crazy shit is when I started breaking down these mental barriers in my head that were holding me back.

00:16:29Guest:And then next thing I know, that was my ammo to keep moving forward.

00:16:34Guest:It's because no one, I say no one's willing to go to the places I'm willing to go in wrestling physically, and I mean that.

00:16:40Guest:And I was like, yeah, nobody's, the more I do crazy shit, the more I feel anything's possible.

00:16:48Marc:How does it feel when you get hurt?

00:16:49Marc:You like it?

00:16:51Guest:Yeah, no, because, dude, the thing is, I do so much physical recovery.

00:16:55Guest:People don't know my physical recovery regimen and everything.

00:16:58Guest:There's so much that goes into that.

00:17:00Guest:So I feel great.

00:17:01Guest:Everyone's like, you're not going to be able to walk when you're 30.

00:17:04Guest:And I'm like, well, motherfucker, I'm 32 right now.

00:17:05Guest:And I feel great.

00:17:07Guest:And, uh, you know, but it's just like, just keeping updated with all that stuff.

00:17:11Guest:Wait, so how do you, how do you rehab or, uh, your, what's your regimen for, you know, jumping off of a 20 foot ladder onto a, you know, glass?

00:17:20Guest:Yeah.

00:17:20Guest:You know, honestly, I feel like the years of skateboarding got me ready for that, because nothing's harder than concrete, landing on concrete and doing all this shit.

00:17:27Guest:It just...

00:17:30Guest:But it's like the physical recovery afterwards is just like a lot of like stretching the ice baths.

00:17:35Guest:And then, like I said, it's like mental too.

00:17:37Guest:You take care of your brain, your body just feels like nice and loose.

00:17:40Guest:People carry so much tension, you know, just tense all the time.

00:17:45Guest:And their body just breaks down from their minds being, you know.

00:17:48Marc:So when you're falling from a ladder, you're pretty relaxed.

00:17:53Yeah.

00:17:53Guest:dude yeah oh yeah no absolutely absolutely and just it goes back to the uh before i jump off the ladders or crazy shit i'm like i say to myself i'm going to the hospital tonight and it's just like and it's like so it's so you're at peace you got to be at peace with it you got to be at peace with the work to come just like everest you got to be at peace with it did you fall it did you fall at all on everest did you go tumbling

00:18:20Guest:no no you're pretty strapped in uh to the safety rope at all times oh okay yeah yeah you're pretty safe but that you know uh i've seen a lot of people get helicoptered out and shit like from camp three and camp three is a little over 23 000 feet it was fucking gnarly and and but you just have to stay like focused and i remember being in that tent and

00:18:45Guest:for, you know, like all day, just being like, you might die tonight or you might die tomorrow.

00:18:51Guest:And you're just like, you're constantly telling yourself, but how do you, how do people die up there?

00:18:56Marc:What hypothermia?

00:18:57Marc:What is it?

00:18:58Guest:It can be anything.

00:18:59Guest:It could be anything.

00:19:00Guest:Um,

00:19:01Guest:It could be like sometimes people's bodies just give out.

00:19:05Guest:It's not so much hypothermia, I feel like, because they got so much new equipment and staying warm and everything.

00:19:11Guest:Yeah.

00:19:12Guest:I just think it's pure exhaustion.

00:19:13Marc:Well, you know, nothing about what you're saying makes me want to do it.

00:19:19Guest:But, Mark, that's the fun part.

00:19:21Guest:That's the fun part is because the shit that no one else wants to touch is the places I'm willing to go.

00:19:27Guest:Because just like all those years ago when people told me I wasn't going to amount to shit, now it's like finding new things to keep accomplishing and pushing yourself constantly out of your comfort zone.

00:19:38Guest:But I just never wanted to try to appease people to the point where it was a detriment to my own.

00:19:43Guest:you know growth as a human and then i you know so this whole self exploring with the everest and everything it was just very awesome and then this is a funny story because when i first started going to agree to do everest uh i was a single man so i was like oh well there's no freaking thing i have to worry you know nobody has it but then halfway through um

00:20:07Guest:I reconnect with this girl I had a crush on, uh, on the school bus in high school.

00:20:13Marc:In Seattle?

00:20:15Guest:Yeah.

00:20:15Guest:I had a crush on her and then we reconnected and then all of a sudden we start dating.

00:20:20Guest:So it's a whole new level of like, Oh shit.

00:20:23Guest:Now if I die, I feel like.

00:20:26Marc:Yeah.

00:20:27Marc:She'll be sad.

00:20:28Guest:Yeah.

00:20:28Guest:But it's, it's a crazy story because I had a crush on her in high school and then, uh,

00:20:33Guest:She ended up getting shot in the head.

00:20:37Marc:Wow.

00:20:37Marc:What the fuck?

00:20:38Marc:Jesus Christ.

00:20:39Guest:Yeah.

00:20:39Guest:She ended up getting shot in the head in high school.

00:20:41Guest:And I was like, oh, my God, this crush of mine from the school bus got murdered.

00:20:45Guest:But she luckily survived.

00:20:47Marc:How did how did she recover from getting shot in the head?

00:20:51Guest:Oh, she became that inspired her to become an ICU nurse.

00:20:54Marc:Oh, wow.

00:20:55Marc:Oh, wow.

00:20:56Guest:That's awesome.

00:20:56Guest:But fast forward, I'm on top of Everest on the summit.

00:21:00Guest:And I, uh, I filmed this video where I proposed to her.

00:21:04Guest:Oh, no shit.

00:21:05Guest:Yeah.

00:21:05Guest:So it was like, uh, so yeah, now we're engaged, but it's like a fun, like full circle moment.

00:21:11Guest:But I'm thinking the whole time now, I'm not just worrying about myself.

00:21:13Guest:I'm worrying about this future wife of mine and all this stuff.

00:21:18Guest:Like you gotta, you gotta make it out alive, you know?

00:21:20Guest:And it adds such a level of,

00:21:23Guest:Like, oh, my God, you can't be selfish anymore.

00:21:26Guest:Like I said with my brother and my mom, like, dude, I've got to survive for them.

00:21:30Guest:I've got to survive for this fiancé and all this stuff.

00:21:33Marc:What are you going to do about this?

00:21:34Marc:I mean, I've got to assume that because of the way you've lived your life your whole life that you're kind of addicted to the thrill of it.

00:21:41Marc:Do you see that letting up at all?

00:21:43Guest:No.

00:21:44Guest:No, absolutely not.

00:21:46Guest:That's good.

00:21:46Guest:I never want to lose that.

00:21:48Guest:That's never going to be lost on me because –

00:21:51Guest:Yeah, I do.

00:21:52Guest:I spent so many times in Seattle just staring at a wall and be like, there's a whole world out there.

00:21:58Guest:And the moment I get a taste of it, I'm never going to let up.

00:22:01Guest:And that's the you know, I know it's been it's been a wild ride.

00:22:04Guest:But the beauty of it all is, like I said earlier, Tony Khan just being like, yo, dude.

00:22:09Guest:I want you to live your life outside of the ring and be happy.

00:22:13Guest:And that's, that's, that's the cool balance.

00:22:15Guest:That's, that's something I can never take for ground.

00:22:17Marc:And it's something Vince McMahon would never say.

00:22:21Guest:Definitely not.

00:22:24Guest:It's like, yeah, I, I, I feel, uh, yeah, no, I, I just feel so free.

00:22:29Guest:And I, I, I told Tony before I left for Everest, I had to talk with him and I was like, Hey man,

00:22:36Guest:I already feel like I'm the champion of the world.

00:22:39Guest:I don't need the championship belt, per se, to feel validated because I'm already winning in life.

00:22:45Guest:I feel so free and I feel so happy.

00:22:47Guest:I'm just grateful for everything.

00:22:50Marc:Belt would be nice, though, right?

00:22:52Guest:It depends on... I don't know, man.

00:22:56Guest:I really don't give a shit.

00:22:57Guest:I'm going to be honest with you.

00:22:59Guest:So many people are so concerned with winning this thing

00:23:02Guest:um but i just want to i just want to have good storylines yeah i just want to have good storylines i'm not trying to be like i need to be the top guys i just want to have good shit but that's great you got uh shark week coming up there is all in texas coming up so your date card is full but we uh we appreciate you taking the time to come on here with us uh while we're uh we're in the process of wrapping up thanks for having me on well it's great meeting you man yes sir

00:23:33Marc:There you go.

00:23:34Marc:As you heard, Darby will be at the AEW all in pay-per-view this Saturday, July 12th.

00:23:40Marc:He'll be part of discovery's shark week on Thursday, July 24th.

00:23:43Marc:The show caught shark strike back and he's raising money for Tony Hawk's skate park project to bring skate parks to neighborhoods that can't afford them.

00:23:53Marc:Okay.

00:23:54Marc:Visit skatepark.org to learn more.

00:23:57Marc:All right.

00:23:58Marc:Okay.

00:23:59Marc:Here we go.

00:24:00Marc:Dustin Chafin is here.

00:24:02Marc:And again, uh,

00:24:03Marc:But Dustin and I go way back, but I don't think we've really talked for like 20 years.

00:24:08Marc:You can find his tour dates and watch his special at DustinChafin.com.

00:24:12Marc:This is me talking to my old pal, Dustin.

00:24:25Marc:Pull that mic up on your face.

00:24:29Marc:Here we go.

00:24:29Marc:You know how to do the podcast thing?

00:24:32Marc:I've been on a few.

00:24:34Marc:I'm a little confused by the microphone situation.

00:24:40Marc:I love it.

00:24:41Marc:The New York Hazen.

00:24:42Marc:Is that what it is?

00:24:43Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:24:44Marc:It's great.

00:24:44Marc:I don't know.

00:24:45Marc:I think I've done it before New York.

00:24:47Marc:It's only certain people I can land it with.

00:24:51Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:24:52Marc:I think you've always been one of them.

00:24:54Marc:I don't know why.

00:24:55Marc:I just wanted to bust your balls constantly.

00:24:59Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:25:00Guest:Some of it I talk about in therapy still.

00:25:02Guest:Oh, wow.

00:25:03Guest:Do you?

00:25:03Guest:That's great.

00:25:04Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:25:05Guest:No.

00:25:06Marc:Well, there was more back then.

00:25:08Marc:You had a whole getup going.

00:25:10Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:25:10Guest:That was the best.

00:25:11Guest:One time you said to me, you go, yeah, this outfit.

00:25:14Guest:It's like, you know, when you see somebody in L.A.

00:25:16Guest:and you just look at them and you go, that's sad.

00:25:20Ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:25:21Guest:I think I burned those pants.

00:25:25Marc:Or were they like leather or snakeskin or something?

00:25:27Guest:You know, it's whatever.

00:25:29Guest:You go with the girl that you're with, and they're always like, they try to dress you, and you're like, yeah.

00:25:34Guest:So that was the situation?

00:25:36Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:25:36Guest:That's always the situation.

00:25:37Marc:Well, that shows a bit of lack of will on your part.

00:25:43Marc:You know, I don't know.

00:25:45Marc:But at that time, like, so you think it's been 20 years?

00:25:48Marc:Since I've seen you?

00:25:50Marc:Like, had a conversation.

00:25:52Guest:Because we were, I felt like we were, you know, kind of close for a minute, and then we had a little falling out, and then I hadn't seen you in a long time.

00:25:59Marc:Do you remember what the falling out was about?

00:26:01Marc:Absolutely.

00:26:04Guest:Can we just get into it?

00:26:05Guest:How long ago was that?

00:26:07Guest:Well, I would, yeah, I mean, I want to talk about when I first met you, though.

00:26:10Guest:We will, we will.

00:26:11Guest:We'll get to that later.

00:26:12Guest:Do you want the falling out first?

00:26:13Marc:No, I'm curious, because maybe we can, maybe I can ease your mind.

00:26:17Marc:Okay.

00:26:17Marc:At the beginning.

00:26:18Marc:Am I the bad guy?

00:26:20Guest:Not really.

00:26:22Guest:I think it's kind of funny.

00:26:23Guest:I think I was dealing with it in the best situation.

00:26:25Guest:I think I came at you in a comic way, and you needed me to come to you in a human way.

00:26:32Guest:And it was one of those situations.

00:26:34Guest:Oh, really?

00:26:35Guest:Yeah, because your second wife and... Mishnah, yeah.

00:26:40Guest:Mishnah...

00:26:41Guest:You know, she used to make us go to those one woman shows she was doing.

00:26:45Guest:Sure.

00:26:45Guest:You know, she was like working them out.

00:26:46Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:26:47Guest:There'd be like six of us there.

00:26:48Guest:Yeah.

00:26:48Guest:And so I went to quite a few of them.

00:26:50Guest:Yeah.

00:26:50Guest:And it was always only like five or six of us.

00:26:53Guest:Yeah.

00:26:53Guest:And then when you guys were going through a divorce.

00:26:55Guest:Yeah.

00:26:56Guest:I said, hey, man, I'm sorry you're going through this, but at least we don't have to go to those shows anymore.

00:27:01Guest:And you went off on me.

00:27:03Guest:Really?

00:27:04Guest:And you're like, who the fuck are you with your cowboy hat?

00:27:06Guest:And you just went off.

00:27:07Guest:And I was just like, dude, I really thought that was the best thing I could have said to you.

00:27:11Guest:It is, actually.

00:27:12Guest:And it was just, I guess you were in a place.

00:27:15Marc:Oh, you know why?

00:27:15Marc:It's because she left me.

00:27:19Marc:Yeah.

00:27:21Marc:Okay.

00:27:24Marc:So it wasn't like I was over anything.

00:27:26Guest:Yeah, I got you.

00:27:27Marc:Still tender.

00:27:28Marc:Right, exactly.

00:27:29Marc:I mean, that's a pretty good line.

00:27:32Marc:I thought so.

00:27:33Marc:I thought I was going to crush with that.

00:27:37Guest:We didn't talk for years.

00:27:39Guest:It was kind of over after that.

00:27:40Guest:Well, you still had the cowboy hat.

00:27:41Guest:It broke my heart.

00:27:42Guest:I'm sorry.

00:27:43Guest:It's okay.

00:27:43Marc:I stopped wearing the cowboy hat.

00:27:45Marc:Yeah, well, that took time.

00:27:47Marc:Give me the heads up when you stopped, and I would have talked to you again.

00:27:51Marc:Sounds like it was mostly about the cowboy hat.

00:27:53Marc:I don't know.

00:27:54Marc:You got a lot of heroes that wore cowboy hats, you know?

00:27:56Marc:That's the thing.

00:27:57Marc:Yeah, do I?

00:27:58Marc:Yeah.

00:27:58Marc:Like who?

00:27:59Guest:I don't know.

00:28:00Marc:I didn't like it when Bill Hicks wore a cowboy hat.

00:28:03Marc:That was fun.

00:28:04Marc:That was perfect.

00:28:04Guest:That was part of the whole Stevie Ray Vaughan.

00:28:08Marc:Yeah, I get it.

00:28:08Marc:But, you know, I barely like it.

00:28:10Marc:Well, he can wear it because he's got everything else going.

00:28:13Marc:Not a lot of Indian jewelry.

00:28:15Marc:Of course.

00:28:15Marc:Got the Stratocaster, and he can do something.

00:28:18Marc:I get it's a get-up, but in comedy, it's like, do we need the hats?

00:28:21Marc:I don't know.

00:28:22Marc:I think that's why we do comedy, so you can do whatever you want.

00:28:26Marc:Yeah, but you were doing a whole thing.

00:28:27Marc:You got boots.

00:28:28Marc:You were flipping your hands funny.

00:28:29Marc:You had a whole...

00:28:30Marc:Well, it's from Texas.

00:28:33Guest:It's a whole package.

00:28:33Marc:I was nervous, and I was from Texas.

00:28:35Guest:It's like a tick.

00:28:36Guest:Do you still have it?

00:28:38Guest:Not as much.

00:28:39Guest:I've grown a lot.

00:28:40Guest:I'm a better comic, but it was the early days.

00:28:43Marc:For me, it felt like he's working this hook, this weird tilt thing.

00:28:47Marc:It comes in.

00:28:48Marc:It's a real thing.

00:28:50Marc:You probably still do it, and now I'm just beating you up again.

00:28:53Marc:No, I just eyeballing that zen, because I got off him.

00:28:56Marc:Oh.

00:28:57Marc:Why'd you get off him?

00:28:58Guest:Let me ask you.

00:28:59Guest:Was it making you tired?

00:29:01Guest:No, I think it was just, I think when you go in for your insurance and stuff, if you have nicotine in your blood.

00:29:09Guest:Oh.

00:29:09Guest:Is that true?

00:29:11Guest:I think so, yeah.

00:29:11Guest:That's what I was told.

00:29:13Guest:Wait, so you had to get a blood test for insurance?

00:29:15Guest:Yeah.

00:29:16Guest:Now I'm saying it like that.

00:29:17Guest:If you have nicotine in your blood system or whatever, it's like a whole thing.

00:29:21Guest:No kidding.

00:29:21Marc:Yeah.

00:29:22Marc:I had no idea.

00:29:22Marc:But I didn't know you had it.

00:29:23Marc:So you're trying to get new insurance.

00:29:25Marc:Yeah.

00:29:25Guest:It wasn't just that.

00:29:26Guest:I think I just like I go from one addiction to another.

00:29:29Guest:And I was just like I was just trying to tell myself, all right, I'm going to quit this right now.

00:29:33Marc:Well, yeah, I mean, it's like I thought that, too.

00:29:35Marc:Unfortunately, I thought like, well, these have got to be fucking with my gums.

00:29:39Marc:And then I went to the dentist and they're not.

00:29:41Marc:OK, because I thought they were causing my recession.

00:29:43Marc:The dentist said, well, I've always had recession.

00:29:46Marc:He goes, no, your gums are actually more healthy than most people that come in here because I floss them and everything.

00:29:51Marc:But they're receded.

00:29:52Marc:But I thought that I was just fucking those are doing.

00:29:55Marc:But I don't they can't be good for you.

00:29:58Guest:Well, nicotine, I think is I don't know what that does.

00:30:00Guest:Nobody really knows what that does.

00:30:01Marc:I'm sure they know.

00:30:03Guest:What do you think it does?

00:30:03Marc:Well, I think it constricts your blood vessels.

00:30:06Marc:I think there's a reason why you get the high or the low with it.

00:30:09Marc:You know, it's a complex drug.

00:30:12Marc:But I think if you're not smoking it, I think most of the damage from smoking comes from the heat and the other shit in there and tobacco.

00:30:21Marc:But like sort of non-tobacco nicotine, I don't think it's good for your blood vessels.

00:30:25Marc:And I've heard that it's probably not great for your pancreas.

00:30:28Guest:Yeah.

00:30:29Marc:But, you know, I'm trying to, you know, just keep well.

00:30:33Marc:You know what I'm saying?

00:30:34Marc:Yeah.

00:30:34Marc:Just trying to stay well with the addiction.

00:30:37Marc:So you're off everything?

00:30:39Marc:Everything.

00:30:40Marc:17 years Saturday.

00:30:42Marc:How long off the zen?

00:30:43Marc:Off the zen about...

00:30:45Guest:About a year.

00:30:46Marc:Yeah.

00:30:47Marc:So cigarettes?

00:30:49Guest:Everything.

00:30:49Guest:I'm off of that.

00:30:50Marc:How long are those?

00:30:52Guest:Probably about three years.

00:30:53Guest:I went back and that's when I got to the Zens.

00:30:55Guest:Sure.

00:30:57Guest:I love cigarettes, man.

00:30:58Guest:Right.

00:30:58Guest:I love everything about it.

00:30:59Guest:I can't.

00:31:00Guest:Every time I see somebody smoking, it's always like, you know, some raggedy person.

00:31:03Guest:It's like, what are you doing?

00:31:04Guest:But then I miss it.

00:31:06Marc:I don't know if I miss it anymore because it's been a very long time since I smoked cigarettes every day.

00:31:11Marc:And then I'd go through cigars.

00:31:13Marc:Sometimes I'd go through, like, dip pouches.

00:31:16Marc:And the Zen seemed to be a nice medium.

00:31:18Marc:I was off everything, like literally everything, for three years once.

00:31:22Marc:And it felt fine.

00:31:25Marc:But then eventually it's sort of like, you know, fine isn't great.

00:31:32Yeah.

00:31:32Marc:I need a little bump of something.

00:31:34Guest:Well, caffeine and nicotine is the perfect combination.

00:31:37Marc:I've gone off caffeine, too.

00:31:38Marc:I was off that, too.

00:31:40Marc:Yeah, but then it's just like it's kind of flat.

00:31:42Marc:You know, it's sort of like, yeah, it's good, I guess.

00:31:47Marc:Yeah.

00:31:47Marc:Whereas, like, you know, when you're just chasing it all the time.

00:31:50Marc:Yeah.

00:31:50Marc:But so I guess like I check in on you occasionally.

00:31:54Marc:I remember a few years ago, maybe it's been that long.

00:31:58Marc:I saw Nate and I said, how's Dustin doing?

00:32:02Marc:He goes, I got him.

00:32:08Marc:Ding.

00:32:09Marc:He's all right.

00:32:10Marc:I got him.

00:32:14Guest:Yeah, I mean, you know, you need those guys sometimes.

00:32:17Guest:You certainly do, dude.

00:32:19Guest:You need those guys.

00:32:19Guest:You do.

00:32:21Guest:But you know what?

00:32:21Guest:It's like, you know, he, when I, you know, I ran the Boston Comedy Club, you know, towards the end there.

00:32:27Guest:I was the guy, you know, that was running that.

00:32:29Guest:in new york in new york and he was one of my barkers it was him and pete holmes and like so i was long gone you were you were doing other stuff i loved watching what they tried to do with you yeah that was that was always fun which one was that just all this stuff they tried to do like they try to make you a host like a talk show host oh yeah that was interesting just watching you know all that happened so what year are we talking

00:32:54Marc:2004 maybe 2005 2006 that's when i was at boston i think so i was gone though i mean i was coming i was coming back yeah yeah you were doing stuff well i was back in new york in 2004 right you know for air america and then back again that was fun to watch that too you're saying fun like what a disaster

00:33:16Guest:Yeah, a little bit, but it's amazing.

00:33:17Guest:But look where you are.

00:33:18Guest:I mean, just like you're failing is epic and amazing.

00:33:21Guest:And then it's like, because they didn't know what to do with you.

00:33:24Guest:No one knew what to do.

00:33:24Marc:I didn't know what to do with me.

00:33:26Marc:No, not at all.

00:33:27Marc:Zero idea.

00:33:28Marc:But when did you like, because like Nate, you know, when I'm, you know, when I kind of,

00:33:33Marc:caught on to nate before everyone else in michigan before he got anywhere you know he was like yeah i met you before you know but it was that room in in times square right oh broadway yeah upstairs yeah that little fucking room yeah a little 80 seater and and that was you running that yeah and chubby nate chubby nate sweaty nate with the little glasses and a little band chubby sweaty drunky nate

00:34:00Marc:Who I didn't remember at all.

00:34:02Guest:Poor joke, Nate.

00:34:03Guest:Yeah.

00:34:05Guest:Well, a lot of us talked to you.

00:34:07Guest:First time I talked to you was amazing.

00:34:09Guest:I saw you at the New York Comedy Club.

00:34:12Guest:I was a busboy.

00:34:13Guest:I just started doing that.

00:34:15Marc:Which one?

00:34:16Marc:The one on 24th?

00:34:16Guest:Oh, my God.

00:34:18Guest:Yeah.

00:34:18Guest:That fucking dump?

00:34:19Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:34:20Guest:It was just held together by duct tape and tears.

00:34:23Marc:But they had that George Foreman grill.

00:34:25Marc:Yeah.

00:34:25Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:34:26Guest:Well, I worked there.

00:34:27Guest:They didn't have that.

00:34:27Guest:They had a full kitchen.

00:34:30Guest:Really?

00:34:30Guest:I used to drop mozzarella sticks and french fries and hamburgers.

00:34:33Guest:But it couldn't have been a very big kitchen.

00:34:35Marc:It was pretty big.

00:34:35Marc:Was it from another place?

00:34:37Guest:Yeah.

00:34:37Guest:It used to be like a Thai restaurant or something before it was that.

00:34:40Marc:And then eventually there were three rooms.

00:34:42Marc:One room seated four people.

00:34:44Guest:Well, what did it mean?

00:34:44Guest:What ended up happening is they couldn't move this stove out of the hallway, so they put up drywall.

00:34:51Guest:Right now, there's a stove in the path to the stage.

00:34:56Guest:There's a full-on stove in there.

00:34:58Guest:Covered with drywall?

00:34:59Guest:Yes, covered with drywall.

00:35:01Marc:And there was that one bathroom with the sliding door.

00:35:03Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:04Marc:It's a fucking disaster.

00:35:05Marc:It was horrible.

00:35:06Marc:But it was electric, man.

00:35:07Marc:So you saw me there first?

00:35:09Marc:It was CBGBs.

00:35:10Marc:It was a thing.

00:35:10Marc:It didn't matter.

00:35:11Marc:Yeah, CBGBs, you know, for, you know, people that didn't necessarily have that much talent.

00:35:17Guest:Well, it was three guys.

00:35:21Guest:It was you, it was Todd, Barry, and Attell.

00:35:25Marc:We'd make the rounds there, but it was sort of like a B room.

00:35:29Marc:Sure, of course.

00:35:29Marc:Yeah, but now all rooms are arguably B rooms.

00:35:32Guest:Yeah, but you would work out there.

00:35:34Guest:Sure.

00:35:34Guest:But when I saw you come in, I remember you came in with your perfect 90s hair, leather jacket, and you were holding court, and you were talking about how you bombed in Australia.

00:35:47Guest:Yeah.

00:35:47Guest:And I remember this being this thing.

00:35:49Guest:And then I think I didn't I'd never heard a comic talk like that.

00:35:53Guest:Like I never heard anybody like that.

00:35:55Marc:Made a career out of it.

00:35:58Guest:But it was amazing because everybody was trying to be cool and like, hey, I crushed or whatever.

00:36:03Guest:You were the first guy I ever heard, like, just go, oh, it was terrible.

00:36:06Marc:Sent me home.

00:36:07Guest:They hated me.

00:36:07Marc:They sent me home from a country.

00:36:09Marc:Oh, did they?

00:36:09Marc:Yeah.

00:36:10Marc:It's a week into a four week run.

00:36:12Marc:And they're like, I don't think this is working out.

00:36:14Marc:I fucking bombed so hard.

00:36:16Marc:I had to fly back home and I relapsed on that flight.

00:36:19Marc:Oh, wow.

00:36:20Marc:That was brutal, dude.

00:36:22Marc:So, so that was memorable for you.

00:36:23Guest:You're like, well, you were just so honest and, and like, it was just great to hear that.

00:36:29Guest:Cause I never heard any, I was brand new into comedy.

00:36:31Guest:I never heard any, everybody's always trying to flex and be a cool guy.

00:36:34Guest:Yeah.

00:36:34Guest:And you were just like, ah,

00:36:35Guest:man, it was horrible, dude.

00:36:36Guest:I grabbed the mic.

00:36:38Guest:I couldn't get anything going.

00:36:39Guest:Like, it was just so beautiful because I hadn't experienced you yet.

00:36:41Guest:So it was like this beautiful manic thing happening.

00:36:45Guest:And I was like, okay, all right, this guy.

00:36:46Guest:And then ever since I was following you and loved everything you did, I didn't care what kind of set it was.

00:36:51Guest:And I couldn't wait to bomb and tell people that I bombed.

00:36:54Guest:Like, I thought that was the coolest thing ever.

00:36:56Guest:It was so punk rock.

00:36:59Marc:And that's why you and I are where we at.

00:37:02Marc:That's why we've chosen the other path.

00:37:05Guest:Yeah, well, you know.

00:37:07Marc:No, but like, yeah, you like everything I do except for the things where they're trying to make me do things.

00:37:13Marc:No, I love that.

00:37:14Guest:I love watching them force it.

00:37:16Guest:I mean, when I say fail, my God, look at you, man.

00:37:18Guest:You're doing amazing.

00:37:19Guest:But it's like, no, but it's like...

00:37:22Guest:It's like they never quite got it.

00:37:24Marc:Yeah.

00:37:24Guest:I think you had to do stuff like this.

00:37:26Marc:Yeah.

00:37:27Marc:I didn't quite get it to be myself.

00:37:29Marc:Yeah.

00:37:30Marc:So that was the journey.

00:37:30Marc:But so you were busting tables at New York.

00:37:34Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:37:34Marc:Was that your first job?

00:37:35Guest:No.

00:37:36Guest:I mean, I guess.

00:37:37Guest:I mean, when did you get to New York?

00:37:39Guest:I went to Parsons in New York.

00:37:42Guest:I got there around.

00:37:43Guest:Really?

00:37:44Guest:I guess 95 or 96.

00:37:47Guest:You went to fucking art school?

00:37:48Guest:Went to art school, man.

00:37:49Guest:And you finished?

00:37:50Guest:I did.

00:37:50Guest:I got a bachelor's.

00:37:51Guest:In what?

00:37:52Guest:What were you?

00:37:52Guest:Well, in fine arts, but a fashion was what I wanted to do.

00:37:55Guest:Oh.

00:37:55Guest:I wanted to do design.

00:37:56Marc:Oh, so now, like, I'll let you off the hook with the hat and the boots.

00:38:00Marc:You're just.

00:38:01Marc:I'm still a weird fashion guy.

00:38:02Marc:Yeah, you're just working on something.

00:38:03Yeah.

00:38:04Marc:I was just trying to put it all together.

00:38:06Marc:Fashion.

00:38:06Guest:So that was the dream?

00:38:08Guest:I think so.

00:38:09Guest:Were we going to design shit?

00:38:10Guest:Yeah.

00:38:11Guest:Mostly boots?

00:38:11Guest:I wanted to be Carl Lagerfeld, man.

00:38:12Guest:Oh, okay.

00:38:13Guest:I wanted just the ponytail with the chicks.

00:38:15Guest:I had no idea what it was.

00:38:16Guest:Oh, so you were just in it for the women.

00:38:18Guest:No, but I do love fashion.

00:38:21Marc:That's interesting, though, but you didn't necessarily want a regular education.

00:38:25Marc:You were going to go to New York and be a fashion guy.

00:38:28Guest:Yeah, I mean, I wasn't that great at school, but I was good at drawing and stuff.

00:38:31Guest:Yeah, where'd you come from?

00:38:32Guest:Texas, Dallas-Fort Worth area.

00:38:36Guest:Really?

00:38:36Guest:Yeah, born in Kilgore, Texas.

00:38:38Guest:Kilgore?

00:38:39Guest:Trailer park town, yeah.

00:38:40Guest:Were you in a trailer park?

00:38:41Guest:When I was a kid, yeah.

00:38:42Guest:So your family lived in a trailer park?

00:38:44Guest:When I was a little kid, yeah.

00:38:46Guest:Yeah?

00:38:46Guest:Up until infant to like six or something.

00:38:48Guest:The whole family?

00:38:49Guest:Whole family, yeah.

00:38:50Guest:Stayed together?

00:38:51Yeah.

00:38:51Guest:Yeah, my dad married my mom.

00:38:52Guest:She had two kids.

00:38:53Guest:Yeah.

00:38:54Guest:And then had me.

00:38:55Marc:Yeah.

00:38:55Guest:And then we... You were the third kid of them.

00:38:57Guest:I was the third kid of them.

00:38:58Marc:Yeah.

00:38:59Guest:She had two different dads.

00:39:01Marc:Oh, she was married before your dad?

00:39:03Marc:Yeah, yeah, twice.

00:39:04Marc:So you got... Oh, so they're all separate fathers?

00:39:06Marc:They're both half-brothers, yeah.

00:39:07Marc:But they all have separate fathers?

00:39:09Marc:Yes.

00:39:09Marc:Oh, that's exciting.

00:39:12Guest:They had the double Christmases.

00:39:14Guest:I hated it.

00:39:17Guest:Double presents.

00:39:18Guest:Do you get along with those guys?

00:39:20Guest:Nah.

00:39:21Guest:One, no.

00:39:23Guest:One is dead to me.

00:39:24Guest:And then one just got sober.

00:39:26Guest:So I'm okay with him because, you know.

00:39:28Marc:So everybody was fucked up?

00:39:30Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:39:30Guest:Whole family's fucked up.

00:39:32Guest:Really?

00:39:32Guest:Yeah.

00:39:33Guest:What'd your dad do?

00:39:34Guest:Well, he sold, he was a salesman.

00:39:37Guest:He sold like fire alarms.

00:39:38Guest:Like they used to be these big metal fire alarms back in the seventies.

00:39:42Guest:I don't know if you remember those at all.

00:39:43Guest:Like he sold those.

00:39:44Guest:Oh yeah.

00:39:44Guest:Yeah.

00:39:45Guest:They said fire on them.

00:39:46Guest:Yeah.

00:39:49Guest:He sold them in the trailer park, and then he got a job selling cars, and we kind of moved out of the park.

00:39:54Guest:It's a hustler.

00:39:55Guest:Yeah.

00:39:55Guest:We ended up in Wichita Falls.

00:39:57Guest:Kansas?

00:39:58Guest:No, Texas.

00:39:59Guest:Wichita Falls, Texas.

00:40:00Guest:Oh, okay.

00:40:01Guest:It's about 200 miles from Dallas.

00:40:04Guest:So you're real born-in-the-blood Texan.

00:40:07Guest:Yeah.

00:40:08Guest:So that's why, you know, the cowboy hat.

00:40:10Guest:Once you know all that, it makes more sense.

00:40:11Guest:It's all right.

00:40:12Guest:I'm not defending it.

00:40:12Guest:I'm just saying it just makes more sense.

00:40:14Marc:Yeah, but it wasn't, you know, you weren't wearing it like you rode something.

00:40:19Yeah.

00:40:20Marc:You weren't wearing it like you worked in the cowboy hat.

00:40:24Guest:My high school had a rodeo team.

00:40:26Guest:Were you on that?

00:40:27Guest:No.

00:40:32Marc:Look, dude, I'll be honest with you.

00:40:36Marc:I went to a camp when I was younger in Pecos, New Mexico, where you were required to have a cowboy hat because you were going to be riding horses.

00:40:45Marc:Yeah, I've ridden horses.

00:40:46Marc:So I've owned a couple of Stetsons, the straw ones, not the felt ones.

00:40:50Marc:And I've gone through periods with hats.

00:40:52Marc:I've bent them down like you did.

00:40:53Marc:You make the point on it so you can look like Willie.

00:40:56Marc:I've done that.

00:40:59Marc:It was a long time ago.

00:41:00Marc:I wore out several different pairs of black cowboy boots.

00:41:04Marc:I'm not adverse to it.

00:41:06Marc:I've seen your cowboy shirts.

00:41:07Marc:I've seen your leather pants.

00:41:08Guest:I went through that phase.

00:41:10Marc:The leather pants I still have.

00:41:11Marc:I'm going to get back to them.

00:41:13Marc:It's a good time.

00:41:15Marc:They never worked for me.

00:41:16Marc:They worked.

00:41:17Guest:Not really.

00:41:18Marc:You did them on a special, didn't you?

00:41:19Marc:No, on Conan once.

00:41:21Marc:Okay.

00:41:22Marc:I remember.

00:41:22Marc:I never wore the leather pants on a special.

00:41:24Guest:What was that special you did where you smelled Morrison's boot just to smell the magic or something?

00:41:31Guest:Remember that one?

00:41:32Guest:It was like a hard rock or something.

00:41:33Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:41:34Guest:Yeah.

00:41:35Guest:You just smelled the boot just to smell the match.

00:41:37Guest:I remember that joke.

00:41:39Guest:Yeah.

00:41:39Guest:It was on a special.

00:41:39Guest:I think it was a hard rock that you went into and then you said, I grabbed the boot.

00:41:43Guest:Yeah.

00:41:44Marc:I don't know if I did that on a special, but I did that first special at the Fillmore in 95, the half hour, but that was just black jeans, black shirt.

00:41:52Marc:I think I didn't even wear the Calvary boots.

00:41:53Guest:I think you improv something up top.

00:41:55Guest:And that was a big deal to us.

00:41:56Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:41:57Guest:Just improv.

00:41:58Marc:About the venue.

00:41:59Marc:Yeah.

00:41:59Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:42:00Marc:She just went off, dude.

00:42:01Marc:I know.

00:42:01Marc:On a special.

00:42:02Marc:On a special.

00:42:02Marc:I know.

00:42:03Marc:That dumbest thing I ever did.

00:42:05Marc:Half that special was just like, I'm not going to prepare, man.

00:42:10Marc:I'm glad somebody appreciated the completely irresponsible punk rock nature of whatever the fuck I was doing.

00:42:16Marc:Because I didn't see it as punk rock.

00:42:17Guest:I was just sort of like, I got to be in it, man.

00:42:20Guest:I loved all that shit.

00:42:21Guest:It was great.

00:42:22Marc:But so, wait, so your whole family was boozy?

00:42:25Guest:Boozy.

00:42:27Guest:My dad had like a bar.

00:42:29Guest:Oh.

00:42:30Guest:A chafing downtown lounge.

00:42:32Marc:Oh, so he had a professional place to drink.

00:42:34Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:42:35Guest:And it was basically a biker bar.

00:42:37Guest:It was like all the spider gang or whatever those gangs were there.

00:42:41Guest:Yeah.

00:42:42Guest:And so, but we were always there.

00:42:43Guest:I mean, we'd be playing pinball, kiss pinball machine.

00:42:45Guest:And then just all this biker activities.

00:42:47Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:49Guest:You know, just be sitting at a bar, you know.

00:42:51Marc:Isn't anywhere there's more than one biker considered biker activity?

00:42:55Marc:Yeah.

00:42:55Marc:There's two of them.

00:42:57Marc:Something's going on.

00:42:58Guest:Something's going on.

00:42:59Marc:They're playing cards.

00:43:00Guest:I don't know.

00:43:00Marc:It's getting rowdy.

00:43:01Marc:Something's going to go bad here.

00:43:03Marc:Uh-oh.

00:43:04Marc:Here comes another guy with another jacket.

00:43:06Marc:That's going to end badly.

00:43:08Marc:Guy with a different jacket doesn't have a shot in this situation.

00:43:11Guest:I'd just be drinking Shirley Temples at a, you know, at the bar next to some dude that's probably facing manslaughter.

00:43:16Guest:Yeah, sure.

00:43:17Marc:Or on the run from something.

00:43:19Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:43:19Guest:But it turned into a strip club.

00:43:22Guest:Okay.

00:43:22Guest:Because, like, the old lady just decided to just take her top off one night.

00:43:27Guest:Oh, really?

00:43:28Guest:Your mom?

00:43:28Guest:Yeah.

00:43:29Marc:Is that what you're talking about?

00:43:30Marc:No, not my mom.

00:43:31Marc:Oh, oh, oh.

00:43:31Guest:But they call, you know, the biker, they call old lady.

00:43:33Guest:Oh, yeah, sure.

00:43:33Marc:Okay, okay.

00:43:35Marc:Okay, yeah, all right.

00:43:37Guest:I'm like, this is getting really interesting.

00:43:40Guest:Yeah.

00:43:40Guest:I mean, but she, yeah.

00:43:42Guest:So then it just became a strip club.

00:43:44Marc:Biker chicks would take their shirts off everywhere.

00:43:46Guest:Oh, I know.

00:43:47Guest:But they didn't try to do like legit stripper club.

00:43:49Guest:Okay.

00:43:50Guest:How'd that go?

00:43:51Guest:It did okay.

00:43:52Guest:Mom shut it down after about a year.

00:43:54Guest:When she found out about it?

00:43:56Guest:No.

00:43:56Guest:Yeah, they were kind of hiding it from her, I think.

00:43:58Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:43:59Guest:It was kind of like what happens at the Chafin downtown lounge.

00:44:02Marc:But I imagine that, you know, the behavior once it became a strip club biker bar that your dad was getting into some pretty messy shit.

00:44:08Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:10Marc:There's guns.

00:44:11Marc:A lot of guns at the house.

00:44:12Marc:No, he died a couple years ago.

00:44:13Marc:Yeah, sorry.

00:44:14Marc:Yeah, guns, you know, guns are around.

00:44:16Marc:I mean, I grew up in New Mexico, and everyone's got a fucking gun.

00:44:20Guest:But, like, it's just one.

00:44:20Guest:But, I mean, on the table, like this knife is, like a handgun would just be right there.

00:44:24Guest:Just, I mean, I remember.

00:44:26Guest:I think that's legal now.

00:44:27Guest:Yeah, I would pick one.

00:44:28Guest:I remember I picked one up and just started running around the house, and there was a whole thing.

00:44:32Marc:Yeah.

00:44:32Marc:Oh, yeah?

00:44:32Marc:Got in a little trouble?

00:44:33Guest:A little bit.

00:44:34Guest:A lot of trouble.

00:44:35Guest:Pulled a gun on my dad once.

00:44:36Guest:You did?

00:44:37Guest:Yeah.

00:44:37Guest:With intent?

00:44:38Guest:Yeah, he was smacking my mom.

00:44:40Marc:I'm drunk.

00:44:40Marc:Jesus Christ.

00:44:42Yeah.

00:44:42Marc:And how'd that go?

00:44:45Marc:How'd that end up with you pulling a gun?

00:44:46Marc:He stopped.

00:44:51Guest:And did that stick, though?

00:44:53Guest:I think so.

00:44:53Guest:Yeah, it freaked him out.

00:44:54Guest:How old were you?

00:44:55Guest:12, maybe.

00:44:57Guest:Ah.

00:44:57Guest:It's that age where you can know what's going on.

00:45:00Guest:Yeah.

00:45:02Guest:That anger's starting to sink in a little bit.

00:45:04Marc:And I think your mom probably was like, you know, you were probably your favorite after that, huh?

00:45:08Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:45:09Marc:Yeah.

00:45:09Guest:Is she still around?

00:45:11Guest:Yeah, she is.

00:45:12Guest:What does she do?

00:45:13Guest:She's a comic.

00:45:15Guest:No, she's assistant living.

00:45:17Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:45:17Guest:She's all right.

00:45:18Guest:Yeah?

00:45:19Guest:Got her head?

00:45:20Guest:Yeah, that she does have.

00:45:21Guest:Her legs, not so much.

00:45:22Guest:Oh, well, that's good.

00:45:23Guest:She has a hard time walking, but she's, you know, she's got her wits.

00:45:26Guest:She's funny.

00:45:27Marc:Oh, that's great.

00:45:27Marc:Yeah.

00:45:28Marc:So that sounds pretty dramatic, dude.

00:45:30Marc:So when did you finally get out of the family situation?

00:45:34Guest:I think, well, I met a Mormon girl in high school.

00:45:37Guest:That'll straighten you up.

00:45:38Guest:Yeah.

00:45:39Marc:For a little while.

00:45:43Marc:Good for you.

00:45:44Marc:Life preserver came out of nowhere.

00:45:46Marc:Pretty much.

00:45:47Marc:Because it's like the opposite world.

00:45:49Marc:Yeah.

00:45:49Marc:So it's like.

00:45:51Marc:Opposite of what?

00:45:52Marc:It's its own world.

00:45:53Guest:Yeah.

00:45:53Marc:Yeah.

00:45:53Guest:But yeah.

00:45:54Guest:No, I mean, I, you know, just going to somebody's house and cops not being called and like people eating dinner and like talking to each other.

00:46:02Guest:Like that was new to me.

00:46:03Marc:No one's hitting your mom.

00:46:04Marc:Yeah.

00:46:04Guest:I don't have to pull a gun out.

00:46:05Guest:I don't have to.

00:46:06Guest:I can put my gun away, you know.

00:46:08I don't have to.

00:46:09Guest:I want to be like Mad Max, you know?

00:46:11Guest:But did they want you in?

00:46:12Guest:Did you get- Yeah, I got in, man.

00:46:13Guest:I went in hard.

00:46:14Guest:Oh, you did?

00:46:15Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:46:16Guest:It was like- Full secret underpants and everything?

00:46:19Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:46:19Guest:Everything.

00:46:20Guest:Like, well, I was with her, you know, this cute little blonde from Utah.

00:46:23Guest:That's how they get you.

00:46:24Guest:Yeah.

00:46:25Marc:And then- They send them out.

00:46:26Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:46:26Marc:Yeah, this guy's prime.

00:46:27Marc:This guy's a mark.

00:46:29Marc:Look at him.

00:46:30Marc:He's all lost and angry.

00:46:31Marc:Yeah.

00:46:32Marc:He doesn't like being at home.

00:46:34Guest:We'll take him.

00:46:35Guest:Cowboy hat.

00:46:35Guest:Let's get him.

00:46:38Guest:We broke up.

00:46:39Guest:And then I think to get her back, I was like, I wanted to be a missionary.

00:46:44Guest:So I went all in with that.

00:46:45Marc:I kind of think I knew this about you a little.

00:46:47Guest:Yeah.

00:46:48Marc:Because I think it was part of your backstory.

00:46:50Marc:A little bit.

00:46:50Marc:Once you got out of it.

00:46:52Guest:Yeah.

00:46:53Marc:So, okay.

00:46:54Guest:So would you go to Utah?

00:46:56Guest:Well, I went to the Provo Missionary Training Center.

00:46:59Guest:Okay.

00:46:59Guest:So wait.

00:47:00Guest:So you meet the girl.

00:47:01Guest:Meet the girl.

00:47:01Marc:She's not going to fuck you.

00:47:02Guest:We did.

00:47:03Guest:We did.

00:47:03Guest:She felt bad.

00:47:04Guest:And that's why she broke up with me.

00:47:06Guest:Because she you know, I made her a sinner.

00:47:08Guest:So she had nothing to do with me.

00:47:09Guest:So this is at the beginning the beginning.

00:47:12Guest:Yeah, I wasn't supposed to go on a mission.

00:47:14Guest:They let me go anyway.

00:47:14Marc:So wait, so you lock in with this girl.

00:47:17Marc:Yeah, you don't have sex for a while.

00:47:18Marc:We don't but then we do but right but but at that point you already decided to go to do it.

00:47:23Marc:No.

00:47:23Marc:No, this is after we broke up.

00:47:24Marc:Then I decided that she lost her shit spiraled.

00:47:27Marc:Now she's got to go back to the church and get clean somehow.

00:47:30Guest:Yeah.

00:47:30Guest:Then I got focused and said, I'll show you.

00:47:32Guest:I'll be super Mormon.

00:47:34Guest:To get her back.

00:47:35Guest:Kind of.

00:47:36Guest:Probably.

00:47:36Guest:I don't know.

00:47:37Guest:You're young and stupid.

00:47:38Guest:So you got a provost.

00:47:40Guest:Yeah.

00:47:41Marc:Okay.

00:47:42Guest:So I got to get baptized first.

00:47:44Guest:So that happened.

00:47:46Guest:I wasn't Mormon yet.

00:47:47Marc:So you've got to get baptized in the Mormon faith.

00:47:49Guest:So we broke up.

00:47:49Guest:I baptized.

00:47:51Guest:I became a Mormon.

00:47:52Guest:I did the whole thing.

00:47:53Guest:Then I went to Provo, Utah, Missionary Training Center.

00:47:56Guest:They teach you how to manipulate people, baptize people, all that stuff, and Spanish, because I went to Santiago, Chile.

00:48:02Marc:None of this helped your stand-up?

00:48:05No.

00:48:05Marc:I think just the manipulating people thing would be an applicable skill.

00:48:09Marc:Well, I'm here.

00:48:11Marc:That's true.

00:48:12Marc:That's true.

00:48:13Marc:He kept pushing, like, out of nowhere.

00:48:15Marc:Hey, remember we were friends, kind of.

00:48:19Marc:I'm like, yeah, I'll see what I can do.

00:48:21Marc:And then again, hey, what's up?

00:48:23Guest:I knew better.

00:48:24Guest:I knew if I didn't hit you twice.

00:48:25Guest:I was going to get lost under, you know, Nick Kroll's cousin or something.

00:48:30Guest:So, yeah.

00:48:31Guest:So, I did that and I went to... Wait, what did they teach you?

00:48:34Guest:Just...

00:48:35Guest:How to talk to people in public.

00:48:37Guest:Okay.

00:48:38Guest:Well, that's helpful.

00:48:38Guest:How to knock on a door and be like... Annoying?

00:48:41Guest:Yeah, pretty much.

00:48:42Guest:To wear the suit?

00:48:43Guest:Yeah, to wear the suit.

00:48:44Guest:Got the name tag?

00:48:45Guest:Bicycle.

00:48:46Guest:Yeah.

00:48:47Guest:Here's a crazy story.

00:48:48Guest:Okay.

00:48:49Guest:So, I do this thing, right?

00:48:51Guest:And I'm stateside waiting to go to Chile.

00:48:55Guest:And I get sick.

00:48:57Guest:Yeah.

00:48:57Guest:And I have a prostate problem.

00:48:59Guest:This is all real.

00:49:01Guest:And I go to the doctor and the doctor's like, okay, the only way you're going to get rid of this prostate problem is if you masturbate.

00:49:07Guest:And so, but mysteries aren't allowed to masturbate.

00:49:09Guest:But you're not drinking coffee.

00:49:11Guest:No, we can't do anything.

00:49:12Guest:I know.

00:49:12Marc:Yeah, but we can't, we can't.

00:49:13Marc:That irritates the prostate sometimes.

00:49:15Marc:Oh, does it?

00:49:15Marc:The coffee?

00:49:16Marc:No, no coffee.

00:49:17Marc:So you were actually getting a prostate problem because of your commitment to Mormonism?

00:49:21Marc:You weren't jerking off enough?

00:49:21Marc:Because I wasn't jerking off, pretty much, yeah.

00:49:23Guest:If you stop jerking off after you, I think it creates a thing.

00:49:26Guest:Especially if you're used to doing it like every day.

00:49:28Guest:It's almost like an addiction.

00:49:29Marc:You're going to get withdrawal, get backed up.

00:49:31Guest:Yeah.

00:49:32Guest:So, yeah.

00:49:33Guest:So I go to the doctor and then, but missionary, we have a vow of celibacy.

00:49:38Guest:So we're not supposed to do any of that.

00:49:39Guest:Yeah.

00:49:40Guest:And so I go to the missionary president and they have-

00:49:45Guest:But that's, but that's not enough.

00:49:47Guest:They get, they send it to Salt Lake, like the equivalent of the elders.

00:49:50Guest:The elders had a fucking elders quorum.

00:49:52Guest:Yeah.

00:49:53Guest:And in salt, the Salt Lake temple.

00:49:55Guest:Yeah.

00:49:56Guest:And so they pray on it.

00:49:58Guest:Oh wow.

00:49:58Guest:It's a whole like three days.

00:50:01Marc:Yeah.

00:50:01Marc:You were the business for a couple of days.

00:50:03Marc:What are we going to do with this guy that needs to jerk off?

00:50:06Marc:It's so.

00:50:07Marc:They asked their nine wives.

00:50:09Yeah.

00:50:10Marc:We got to give him three women.

00:50:11Guest:Yeah.

00:50:12Guest:And so that comes back.

00:50:14Guest:Yeah.

00:50:14Guest:And then they say that I can do it.

00:50:15Guest:It becomes a thing.

00:50:16Guest:And so, but 5,000 missionaries.

00:50:18Marc:Was it a written permission kind of thing?

00:50:19Marc:Pretty much.

00:50:20Guest:Wow.

00:50:20Guest:So out of 5,000 missionaries, I'm the only one that can like jerk off.

00:50:24Guest:You're like a hero.

00:50:25Guest:I am.

00:50:25Guest:Well, I'm like a Judas to most of them.

00:50:27Guest:Oh, really?

00:50:27Guest:Because they were like this freaking guy.

00:50:29Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:50:29Marc:Yeah.

00:50:29Guest:Oh, wow.

00:50:30Marc:So that was part of my story.

00:50:31Marc:Repressed hate.

00:50:32Marc:They're like, what's this doctor's name?

00:50:35Marc:It's like guys going to get heroin from guys who give out prescriptions.

00:50:38Yeah.

00:50:41Marc:Sorry, doctor's orders, man.

00:50:43Marc:What's the name of the doctor?

00:50:45Marc:All of a sudden, everybody's got a prostate problem.

00:50:49Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:50:49Marc:The guy that broke the Mormon church with the jerk-off scripts.

00:50:52Marc:I broke it.

00:50:54Marc:So you're jerking off.

00:50:54Marc:You're feeling better.

00:50:55Guest:I'm feeling better.

00:50:56Guest:Then I got to stop.

00:50:57Guest:I start to feel bad after a while.

00:50:58Guest:Jerking off?

00:50:59Guest:It gets better.

00:51:00Guest:I guess it passes, if you will.

00:51:02Marc:Oh, okay, okay.

00:51:02Marc:So then you locked back in.

00:51:04Marc:I locked back in.

00:51:04Marc:And you're going door to door with the Watchtower magazine.

00:51:08Marc:Oh, no, that's the Jehovah's.

00:51:09Guest:Oh, that's the Jehovah's.

00:51:09Guest:Yeah.

00:51:09Guest:So I'm in Chile.

00:51:11Guest:I'm in, you know, Santiago.

00:51:13Marc:Yeah.

00:51:14Guest:And then I end up in Robins Caruso Island, which is like... That's a real place?

00:51:19Guest:Yeah.

00:51:19Guest:Well, it's Isla Juan Fernandez.

00:51:21Guest:It's an island.

00:51:22Guest:Basically, it's like 250 miles off the coast of Chile.

00:51:25Guest:Wow.

00:51:25Guest:And so I was there with like 200 people.

00:51:27Marc:With 200 people who lived there.

00:51:29Marc:Who lived there, yeah.

00:51:30Guest:And you're the only Mormon in a suit.

00:51:32Guest:Yeah, there's two of us, two Mormons.

00:51:34Guest:You always have to have a companion.

00:51:35Marc:So it's two of us and then... Wow, and that was the job?

00:51:39Marc:You had 200.

00:51:39Marc:It seems like at least a finite number.

00:51:42Marc:You'll know when you're done.

00:51:44Guest:Well, everybody's Catholic.

00:51:45Guest:It's Chile.

00:51:46Guest:Yeah, no, I get it.

00:51:47Guest:So there was like four, probably five Mormons on the whole thing.

00:51:51Guest:That you got...

00:51:53Guest:Or they were there.

00:51:54Guest:I never got anybody there.

00:51:55Guest:Did you ever get anybody anywhere?

00:51:56Guest:Yeah, I did.

00:51:57Guest:I got like 12.

00:51:58Guest:Yeah, they still in?

00:51:59Guest:Which is a big deal.

00:52:00Guest:Uh...

00:52:02Guest:I think a couple of them, yeah.

00:52:03Marc:Yeah?

00:52:04Marc:Yeah.

00:52:04Marc:I'm not, but they are.

00:52:06Marc:I know.

00:52:06Marc:So you get back from Chile.

00:52:07Marc:How long were you there for?

00:52:08Marc:Two years.

00:52:09Marc:Holy shit, dude.

00:52:11Marc:It's like a whole other world in life.

00:52:13Marc:Yeah, it's two years.

00:52:13Marc:So you come back, and I see they meet you at the airport with signs.

00:52:17Marc:Yay.

00:52:18Marc:They didn't.

00:52:19Marc:Oh, because my parents are Mormons.

00:52:21Marc:Huh?

00:52:21Marc:Whoa.

00:52:22Marc:But you're in the game.

00:52:23Marc:Yeah, but my mom doesn't care.

00:52:24Marc:Oh, I see.

00:52:26Marc:Every time I go to Salt Lake, there's some sort of wrong dress reception line.

00:52:31No, no, no.

00:52:31Guest:Well, that's what I was hoping for.

00:52:33Guest:Yeah, it didn't happen.

00:52:33Guest:My mom like showed up late It was like really is your mom's warming too.

00:52:37Guest:No, no, no, no, not at all They just kind of went with this thing.

00:52:40Marc:They're like he's not at the bar.

00:52:42Marc:Yeah, this is not you're not drinking or nothing nothing.

00:52:45Marc:So what happens with the woman?

00:52:48Guest:I Think she married a return missionary dude and like she has kids and stuff.

00:52:52Marc:Oh, really?

00:52:52Marc:Yeah, so What did I look when do you lose your faith?

00:52:56Marc:Were you brought up Christian?

00:52:58Guest:Yeah, kind of.

00:52:59Guest:But not heavy.

00:53:00Guest:Well, my parents would go back and forth.

00:53:02Guest:It was like they would get sober and then, you know, my dad would be broke.

00:53:07Guest:He would find God.

00:53:08Guest:You know, that was I always tell how much money we had.

00:53:10Guest:Well, he had him.

00:53:11Marc:He just reintroduced himself.

00:53:13Marc:Yeah.

00:53:17Marc:But that's a popular thing in the Christian prayer.

00:53:20Marc:Hey, you remember me?

00:53:23Marc:I'm back.

00:53:25Guest:Yeah, I mean, we had to burn our Kiss albums.

00:53:27Marc:No, you went that hard?

00:53:29Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:53:29Guest:There was a church parking lot.

00:53:31Guest:I remember just like throwing our- Come on.

00:53:33Marc:That was the church?

00:53:34Marc:Was it Baptist?

00:53:36Guest:Pentecostal?

00:53:36Guest:Something like that.

00:53:37Guest:Something like that.

00:53:38Guest:Pentecostally, I think.

00:53:39Guest:They're speaking tongues and all that shit.

00:53:41Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:41Guest:I think that's what it is.

00:53:42Marc:Sure.

00:53:42Marc:That's Pentecostal.

00:53:43Marc:I think it's Baptist, right?

00:53:45Guest:And then we were allowed to- Striper was the only band we could listen to.

00:53:48Guest:Striper.

00:53:48Guest:Yeah.

00:53:49Guest:Remember that band?

00:53:49Guest:I do kind of.

00:53:50Guest:Were they Christian?

00:53:51Marc:They were like a Christian rock band.

00:53:52Marc:That's the one problem I have with the idea.

00:53:54Marc:Well, that's not true.

00:53:55Marc:There's many problems.

00:53:56Marc:But it's like the one problem I have with the idea of a Christian nation, just how bad everything's going to be.

00:54:01Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:54:01Marc:Like Christian jazz.

00:54:03Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:54:03Marc:Christian rock.

00:54:04Marc:Christian movies.

00:54:05Marc:Christian poetry.

00:54:06Marc:There's no Christian jazz.

00:54:08Marc:Christian novels.

00:54:10Marc:Just like take the fucking menace out of everything and make it just... Oh, yeah.

00:54:15Marc:All the Christian actors are terrible.

00:54:16Marc:Oh, it's just a...

00:54:17Marc:Cavizio used to be good.

00:54:19Marc:What was it?

00:54:20Marc:The guy who played Jesus in Mel's movie.

00:54:21Guest:Oh, that guy, yeah.

00:54:22Marc:Mel's pretty good, too, but they're crazy Catholics.

00:54:25Guest:Yeah, that's a different energy, though.

00:54:27Guest:Totally.

00:54:27Guest:That's not like that Bible Belt energy.

00:54:29Marc:No, it's not like... That's one of Nate's best bits, the varieties of Christian just based on his family's commitment and his siblings.

00:54:37Marc:It's great.

00:54:39Marc:And I told him that.

00:54:40Marc:I said, like, you know, no one has ever talked about it like that because there is...

00:54:44Marc:For most people, you know, if you're Jewish, you got a thing.

00:54:46Marc:You know, if you're, you know, Muslim, you got a thing.

00:54:49Marc:But Christians are just Christians.

00:54:51Marc:And to explore the varieties of kind of born-again Christians, you know, their commitment at the beginning and then watching it diminish with each kid.

00:54:59Marc:It's very funny.

00:55:00Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:55:00Marc:Absolutely.

00:55:01Marc:So, all right.

00:55:01Marc:So, anyway, I texted him.

00:55:03Marc:He didn't text me back.

00:55:03Marc:Am I in the outs?

00:55:04Marc:Am I bad?

00:55:05Marc:Is it my... He's making a movie right now.

00:55:07Marc:Okay.

00:55:07Marc:I'll let him off the hook.

00:55:08Marc:He's like, yeah, he's going to be the next Steve Martin.

00:55:11Guest:He's doing that thing.

00:55:12Marc:Well, we'll see.

00:55:13Marc:He's got to be able to act it.

00:55:15Marc:I think he probably can.

00:55:16Guest:Another thing.

00:55:16Guest:If they write it right for him.

00:55:18Guest:I feel like now he's at a point they're going to do it.

00:55:21Guest:They know what to do with him and his delivery, with his SNL stuff.

00:55:26Guest:They know where his strengths are.

00:55:28Marc:Yeah, that's good.

00:55:28Marc:That's important for him.

00:55:31Guest:Like with you.

00:55:31Marc:They still don't know what to do.

00:55:34Marc:Yeah, but you get to be Mark in those moments.

00:55:37Marc:Yeah, I'm glad he figured it out and we can...

00:55:39Marc:have him over but uh but all right so so how does the mormon thing end uh finding comedy oh really so you're you're you're in i came to new york but did you i'm in art school were you living in utah no i was uh well i went to byu idaho which is like a wow the

00:56:03Guest:These are the worst places.

00:56:04Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:56:05Guest:Rexburg, Idaho is where I was.

00:56:07Marc:Brigham Young University in Idaho.

00:56:08Marc:I know they had a franchise.

00:56:10Guest:Yeah, they do have a franchise.

00:56:11Guest:In Idaho.

00:56:11Guest:It was called Rick's College before.

00:56:14Guest:It was like.

00:56:15Marc:So that's when.

00:56:16Guest:It's like a Mormon.

00:56:17Guest:It's like a Mormon community college.

00:56:18Guest:It's for people who can't get into BYU.

00:56:20Marc:Wow.

00:56:20Guest:And then you go from there and you get into BYU.

00:56:23Marc:but I ended up, but you were still, but you're believing you're wearing the underwear.

00:56:27Guest:You're doing the whole thing.

00:56:28Guest:I mean, I was starting to slip a little.

00:56:29Guest:There was some moments with girls and stuff.

00:56:32Guest:Oh, okay.

00:56:32Guest:That was always the, that was always the vice.

00:56:34Marc:What is the process of sinning and redemption on a day to day basis with, with Mormonness?

00:56:40Marc:Like you, okay.

00:56:41Marc:So you do something, you jerk off, you fuck.

00:56:43Marc:And then the next day you're like, what I do, then what happens?

00:56:46Marc:It's a big deal.

00:56:47Marc:It's like a court thing.

00:56:48Guest:You got to come in.

00:56:49Marc:You got to own it in front of other people.

00:56:51Guest:Yeah, it's a whole thing.

00:56:53Guest:It's not like Catholics where you can just be anonymous and just go in and be like, hey, I messed up.

00:56:57Marc:Or Christians, you can just do it at home.

00:56:59Marc:Yeah.

00:57:00Marc:Or a hotel.

00:57:00Marc:Yeah.

00:57:01Guest:But this is, yeah, so it's like a whole thing.

00:57:03Guest:A hotel.

00:57:03Marc:That's where it happens.

00:57:04Marc:A lot of prayers in hotel rooms.

00:57:06Guest:That's why there's a Bible in there.

00:57:08Guest:Huh?

00:57:11Marc:You got to write that joke.

00:57:15Marc:That's where the sin happens.

00:57:17Guest:Right?

00:57:17Marc:Boom.

00:57:17Guest:That is funny.

00:57:18Guest:I'm writing that down.

00:57:19Guest:You ought to write that down.

00:57:21Guest:And if it's a Marriott, it's a Book of Mormon.

00:57:24Guest:Yeah.

00:57:25Guest:Do you know that?

00:57:25Guest:They own all the Marriott's?

00:57:27Marc:Sure.

00:57:27Marc:Yeah.

00:57:27Marc:You're writing it down?

00:57:28Marc:Yeah, sure.

00:57:29Marc:All right.

00:57:30Marc:It's a workshop.

00:57:31Marc:No, I think it's a great premise why they have them in there.

00:57:35Marc:Because that's where all the bad shit happens.

00:57:38Guest:Yeah.

00:57:38Marc:That's where all the bad decisions happen.

00:57:41Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:57:42Guest:It's so true.

00:57:42Marc:Yeah.

00:57:43Marc:Okay.

00:57:44Marc:So do you remember the day where you lost your faith?

00:57:48Marc:Or is it a process?

00:57:50Guest:Well, you know, New York was a pretty cool place to be Mormon.

00:57:54Guest:Oh, so you moved there as a Mormon to do comedy.

00:57:57Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:57Guest:I went to go to school.

00:57:58Guest:No, not comedy.

00:57:58Guest:At Parsons.

00:57:59Guest:School of Parsons.

00:57:59Guest:As a Mormon.

00:58:00Guest:So you're still a Mormon.

00:58:01Guest:So as a Mormon Parsons.

00:58:02Guest:You had Mormon guys there?

00:58:03Guest:No, but the church in Manhattan was like all the Juilliard people.

00:58:08Guest:So it was like interesting, you know, group of people.

00:58:10Marc:And the church would let you go.

00:58:12Guest:You had to ask?

00:58:13Guest:What, to let go?

00:58:13Marc:To go to New York?

00:58:14Guest:No, no, no, no.

00:58:15Guest:Okay.

00:58:16Guest:No, I mean, I transferred out of BYU, Idaho to go to Parsons.

00:58:19Guest:Parsons, all right.

00:58:20Guest:So I'm there, and I'm in, you know, I'm a Mormon in Manhattan.

00:58:23Guest:Okay.

00:58:24Guest:And it's all like, you know, basically kids that haven't come out yet, you know, is basically what it is.

00:58:30Yeah.

00:58:31Guest:All these like song and dance people that are coming in Utah.

00:58:34Guest:They're like, yeah, he's just like part of the choir.

00:58:36Guest:Yeah.

00:58:37Guest:It's just focused.

00:58:38Guest:Yeah.

00:58:39Guest:But yeah.

00:58:40Guest:So all that was happening.

00:58:41Guest:But I enjoyed it.

00:58:42Guest:It was cool.

00:58:42Guest:And then it just comedy was like, you know, the dirt bags and comedy.

00:58:46Guest:Yeah.

00:58:46Guest:And just in school.

00:58:48Guest:As one of them.

00:58:49Guest:I know.

00:58:50Guest:Yeah.

00:58:50Guest:Well in the Amsterdam chicks and like wait, what about Amsterdam?

00:58:54Guest:Well, there was like girls from Amsterdam like my first year of college Parsons.

00:58:58Guest:Yeah, and I think that's probably what this what did it this girl from Amsterdam Yeah, she did a girl whatever she was.

00:59:03Guest:Yeah, it was done.

00:59:04Guest:I was like, yeah I'm giving it up for the Dutch girl.

00:59:08Guest:I mean, come on.

00:59:09Marc:We've all been there You were kind of there Yeah for a while

00:59:15Marc:so yeah i didn't wear the hat though yeah with the dutch girl the hat yeah with leather pants though oh yeah i did try that cowboy shirt that was me cowboy shirts were always me yeah yeah i don't know that i i have i dressed have i let girls really dress me i guess mishina had a little input because she was an ex-model and she knew yeah but like no i i mean i i wear five things dude i finally leveled off

00:59:39Marc:I hired a stylist just recently because I have stuff going up, TV stuff, and I always end up wearing the same shirt to the point where people are like, doesn't he have another shirt?

00:59:49Marc:I know I'm on TV with the same fucking pants over and over again.

00:59:54Marc:So I just bought a bunch of clothes that I thought like, well, these aren't really my style.

00:59:57Marc:And then you put them on and you're like, oh, there's a lot I don't know.

01:00:00Marc:I look pretty fucking good in this shit.

01:00:02Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:03Marc:It's good to have somebody dressing a little bit.

01:00:04Marc:So the Dutch girl, how long does that last?

01:00:06Marc:Just, I don't know, six months.

01:00:08Marc:But you start doing comedy then?

01:00:10Guest:Yeah.

01:00:11Guest:All that started happening by the same time.

01:00:12Guest:Okay.

01:00:13Guest:And New York Comedy Club, all that stuff.

01:00:15Guest:Actually, I met you.

01:00:15Guest:I think I started kind of experimenting.

01:00:18Guest:I think I'd never smoked weed, really.

01:00:20Guest:Yeah.

01:00:21Guest:I smoked it with you.

01:00:22Guest:Really?

01:00:22Guest:Yeah.

01:00:23Marc:Okay.

01:00:24Guest:You're welcome.

01:00:25Guest:At Gotham.

01:00:26Guest:You're welcome.

01:00:28Marc:Out in front of Gotham.

01:00:29Guest:Yeah.

01:00:30Guest:And I was, yeah.

01:00:31Guest:I mean, because the beginning we would, yeah, we kind of hang out a little bit.

01:00:34Guest:You were there all the time.

01:00:34Guest:Yeah.

01:00:35Guest:And so, yeah, I think you'd take me over to like the cellar or something.

01:00:39Guest:I'd be too paranoid to talk to people.

01:00:40Guest:I remember you yelling at me once.

01:00:41Guest:You're like, dude, you got to talk to people.

01:00:43Guest:And I'm like, I don't know.

01:00:44Guest:I'm just, my girlfriend was there at the time.

01:00:46Guest:You're like, is it your girlfriend?

01:00:47Guest:Cause your girlfriend's here.

01:00:48Guest:Is she bringing you down?

01:00:49Guest:She's making you clam up.

01:00:50Guest:And I'm like, ah,

01:00:51Guest:I was at the cellar, just looking around, just trying to get accepted.

01:00:55Guest:And you're just like yelling at me.

01:00:56Guest:It was amazing.

01:00:57Guest:I love it.

01:00:59Guest:You were all jacked up and you're just coming at me.

01:01:01Guest:I'm probably still on blow.

01:01:02Guest:Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:01:05Guest:I did a bump with you once.

01:01:06Guest:Yeah, sure.

01:01:07Guest:Good time.

01:01:07Marc:Yeah.

01:01:08Marc:Well, I'm glad I was there to help.

01:01:09Marc:I've tried to help a lot of people.

01:01:11Guest:Well, I also got sober with you a little bit.

01:01:13Guest:Like you helped me with that.

01:01:14Guest:So it's like a fun, like went there and then went there.

01:01:16Marc:So it's a full experience with you.

01:01:19Marc:That's right.

01:01:19Marc:Because I was definitely in and out of sobriety.

01:01:21Marc:When I was there, what year are we talking now?

01:01:25Marc:To maybe around 2000.

01:01:29Guest:Yeah.

01:01:29Marc:So that was early 2000.

01:01:30Marc:OK, so that was probably.

01:01:32Marc:Right.

01:01:32Marc:So that was like that's when I really got sober.

01:01:35Marc:So you missed the in and out thing with me.

01:01:38Marc:But I got I got sober for the last time in 99.

01:01:41Marc:OK.

01:01:42Marc:And then, you know, then some Mishnah was around.

01:01:44Marc:Yeah.

01:01:45Marc:And I was what?

01:01:45Marc:Tried taking to meetings and shit.

01:01:47Marc:Yeah.

01:01:47Marc:We went to meetings.

01:01:48Marc:Yeah.

01:01:49Marc:i remember and stuff hung out after that's why i would go nisha was probably like more involved with that than i was i bet oh with me or well yeah in the sense of like you know he needs help let's take him to the thing yeah yeah because you guys were sort of of the same generation a little bit yeah and then giraldo yeah uh ended up kind of sponsoring me really yeah

01:02:11Guest:Wow.

01:02:12Marc:So did he relapse as your sponsor?

01:02:14Marc:Yeah.

01:02:16Marc:We both kind of relapsed.

01:02:18Guest:Uh-huh.

01:02:18Marc:Together?

01:02:19Marc:Well, that's some graduate-level shit there if you're doing drugs with Geraldo.

01:02:23Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:02:24Guest:Well, he would always be like, yeah, he'd be like, hey, man, let's just go to the lake house and we'll just write for three days and we'll just get to there.

01:02:30Guest:It was great.

01:02:31Guest:He just wanted to be a part of it.

01:02:34Guest:No, he's great.

01:02:34Guest:I miss that guy, man.

01:02:36Marc:Yeah, he was great.

01:02:38Marc:And, you know, I had no idea how deep in he was with the drugs.

01:02:44Marc:I'm not naive, but like some guys, you know, I didn't hang out with him enough, but like he had a real battle.

01:02:52Marc:Yeah.

01:02:52Marc:With the fucking drugs.

01:02:54Marc:And I just had no idea.

01:02:55Guest:Well, it just wasn't, it wasn't happy at all.

01:02:58Guest:Like his wife, they didn't like each other.

01:02:59Guest:Like it was just the whole thing, man.

01:03:01Marc:Yeah, but he was a drug addict.

01:03:03Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:03:04Marc:But like, I just like, you know, I remember talking to him.

01:03:06Marc:He said one of the greatest things, you know, like he helped me frame when I was getting divorced.

01:03:12Marc:Yeah.

01:03:13Yeah.

01:03:14Marc:Because I'd gone back and I was, you know, working through this divorce and I was paying the woman off because I took that second job at Air America so I could pay her off.

01:03:21Marc:And I was like complaining about it.

01:03:23Marc:And, you know, I told him like she got me sober, you know, but it was costing me like, you know, hundreds, a couple hundred grand to all in with the divorce.

01:03:32Marc:He goes, well, you know, that's what I spent on three rehabs.

01:03:34Marc:I'm like, OK, I'll frame it like that.

01:03:37Marc:I'm sober and that's what it cost me.

01:03:39Marc:That's a good way to frame it.

01:03:40Guest:Yeah, he was a great, brilliant guy.

01:03:42Guest:So funny.

01:03:43Guest:I mean, to me, it was always you, him, and Stan Hope.

01:03:46Guest:You guys were my three.

01:03:48Guest:You guys were my three, man.

01:03:49Marc:Thank you.

01:03:51Marc:How's Doug?

01:03:54Marc:Me, Geraldo, and Stan Hope.

01:03:55Marc:Those banged up dudes.

01:03:57Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:57Marc:I've never met in my life.

01:03:58Marc:You got no choice but to cut your own path with that bunch of heroes.

01:04:02Marc:You got to go get yourself a ranch.

01:04:04Guest:I think I relapsed watching Stanhope once because it was like so electric, like an early drunk show.

01:04:10Guest:Sure.

01:04:10Guest:And it was like, oh, it's phenomenal watching him just kind of pool and find it.

01:04:14Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:04:15Guest:It's so great.

01:04:15Guest:I still love him.

01:04:16Guest:I think he's just fantastic.

01:04:17Marc:Yeah, he's a great guy.

01:04:18Marc:And I haven't talked to him in a while, but he checks in occasionally.

01:04:21Marc:I like that he had to eventually tell the bartenders not to make it real booze because they kept sending him.

01:04:27Marc:The audience kept sending him booze.

01:04:29Marc:And he's like, I can't do it.

01:04:30Marc:How's he doing?

01:04:31Guest:I think he's good.

01:04:32Guest:He's touring now.

01:04:33Guest:Yeah.

01:04:33Guest:He's out there.

01:04:34Guest:I'm not real close with him, but he's touring.

01:04:36Marc:Yeah.

01:04:36Marc:I should check in with him.

01:04:37Guest:Yeah.

01:04:38Marc:So, so how does it go in New York?

01:04:40Marc:Cause you're, you're, you're fucking really kind of hitting it and you're, but you, you don't stay sober.

01:04:46Marc:So how fucked up are you?

01:04:48Guest:Uh,

01:04:48Guest:It's bad, you know, it's like because I think my mom sent me some.

01:04:53Guest:My mom used to work for a doctor and stuff like she she always had access to like prescription drugs.

01:04:58Guest:Yeah.

01:04:58Guest:So she we'd always like I would just get, you know, some sort of antidepressant or something that wasn't prescribed by anybody.

01:05:05Guest:It just was sent to me by my mom and I would drink whiskey on it.

01:05:09Guest:It's so bad moments.

01:05:11Guest:Just X-Fexor, I think, was my problem.

01:05:13Guest:I got drunk on that.

01:05:15Guest:Yeah.

01:05:15Guest:I got a problem.

01:05:16Guest:But you had mental problems?

01:05:18Guest:Yeah.

01:05:19Guest:I had a really bad ex.

01:05:20Guest:I think you met her.

01:05:21Guest:She was terrible, man.

01:05:22Guest:Just an awful person.

01:05:22Guest:I can't remember her.

01:05:23Guest:Red hair.

01:05:24Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:05:25Guest:Yeah.

01:05:26Guest:It was rough.

01:05:27Guest:She was around that time.

01:05:29Guest:What, you work at the cellar?

01:05:31Marc:She didn't work there.

01:05:32Marc:She didn't work at the cellar.

01:05:33Marc:I'm trying to remember her.

01:05:34Marc:But so what happened?

01:05:36Marc:How did you hit the wall?

01:05:39Guest:Just kind of suicide, I think.

01:05:41Guest:I was like trying to do, trying to, you know, sleeping pills and whatever.

01:05:44Guest:And ended up in St.

01:05:46Guest:Vincent's in the ER.

01:05:49Guest:Pumped my stomach, all that stuff.

01:05:51Guest:Really?

01:05:51Guest:Yeah, it was rough.

01:05:51Guest:And then ended up in a psych ward.

01:05:53Guest:And next thing you know, I woke up and I'm in this psych ward, man.

01:05:56Marc:What?

01:05:57Guest:In Manhattan.

01:05:58Guest:Yeah.

01:05:59Marc:So you had the girl.

01:06:00Marc:You were trying to manage your mental problems.

01:06:02Marc:You were on.

01:06:03Marc:What kind of drugs were you on?

01:06:04Guest:Everything.

01:06:05Guest:Whatever anybody gave me.

01:06:06Guest:Oh, really?

01:06:06Guest:It was kind of one of those things where the bag it in was like a fun.

01:06:09Guest:Sure.

01:06:10Guest:It was like you pull the gates down.

01:06:12Guest:Yeah.

01:06:13Guest:Who's there?

01:06:13Guest:Yeah.

01:06:14Guest:What dealer's there?

01:06:15Guest:Yeah.

01:06:16Guest:What's in somebody's pocket?

01:06:17Guest:That's what I did.

01:06:17Guest:I never seeked out too much.

01:06:19Guest:I mean, sometimes I'd buy blow, but it wasn't like something, you know.

01:06:22Guest:You didn't get involved with dope.

01:06:23Guest:It was always around, though.

01:06:24Marc:Yeah.

01:06:25Guest:No needles or anything.

01:06:26Marc:No snorting that heroin.

01:06:28Yeah.

01:06:28Marc:No, I didn't do that.

01:06:29Guest:Smoked a little crack.

01:06:30Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:06:30Guest:Sure.

01:06:30Marc:Whatever.

01:06:31Marc:Kept it upbeat.

01:06:34Guest:Kept it 90s.

01:06:35Guest:I'm a retro guy.

01:06:37Guest:I buy vinyl.

01:06:37Marc:Well, I'm an up guy.

01:06:38Marc:I'm not a down guy.

01:06:39Marc:Except with these zins.

01:06:41Marc:A lot of people say they give them energy.

01:06:42Marc:Me, they just knock me down.

01:06:44Marc:The Zins knock me down.

01:06:45Marc:You have a natural, like, intensity.

01:06:47Marc:Exactly.

01:06:48Marc:They kind of counter that to the point where by 4 o'clock I need to fucking nap because I'm nauseous.

01:06:53Marc:And we're not 20.

01:06:55Marc:That's true.

01:06:57Marc:That's true.

01:06:57Marc:So you end up in a psych ward.

01:06:58Marc:How long were you in there for?

01:07:00Marc:Two weeks.

01:07:01Marc:What'd you learn?

01:07:03Marc:First meeting.

01:07:04Marc:First AA meeting was in there.

01:07:05Marc:I remember there used to be a regular meeting in St.

01:07:07Marc:Vincent's.

01:07:08Marc:Yeah.

01:07:08Marc:Like downstairs, right?

01:07:10Marc:That's where I was.

01:07:10Marc:Yeah.

01:07:11Marc:Yeah, because you'd go to that meeting, there'd just be guys in hospital gowns.

01:07:15Guest:Well, that's what I said.

01:07:16Guest:It's one thing to be around crazy people on the subway.

01:07:20Guest:It's one thing to be around crazy people with an open gown.

01:07:25Guest:That's a whole other vulnerability, man.

01:07:27Marc:And the room next to you.

01:07:30Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:07:31Marc:Yeah.

01:07:31Marc:I remember that meeting.

01:07:33Marc:That was a good part of early sobriety is like, you know, let's go to the meeting where these guys don't even know what you're talking about.

01:07:39Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:07:40Marc:And they're like, some of them are just, they're barely dry.

01:07:44Marc:Well, yeah.

01:07:44Marc:The guys would be like, yeah, I just stabbed a guy in the neck or whatever.

01:07:47Guest:And then he'd get to me and I'd be like, I'm mad at my dad.

01:07:49Guest:Yeah, yeah, sure.

01:07:52Guest:Yeah.

01:07:52Guest:It was rough, dude.

01:07:56Guest:And then I learned, like, to get out of the psych ward, you got to do all the stuff.

01:08:01Guest:You got to go to the meetings.

01:08:03Guest:You got to check in with the guys that were like, I ain't doing any of this were the guys that stayed there.

01:08:08Guest:So I learned early or frequent visitors.

01:08:11Guest:Yeah.

01:08:12Guest:Yeah.

01:08:12Guest:But I learned if you wanted to get out, you had to just whatever they were, whatever activity, whatever.

01:08:17Marc:Because it was a court order kind of thing because you tried to off yourself.

01:08:20Guest:Yeah.

01:08:20Guest:They have to do it.

01:08:21Guest:Right.

01:08:21Guest:So they just it was one of those things.

01:08:24Marc:Do you think you meant to kill yourself?

01:08:25Guest:You were you wanted to?

01:08:26Guest:I think so.

01:08:27Guest:I think I was kind of done.

01:08:28Guest:Done with the girl.

01:08:29Guest:Done with life.

01:08:30Guest:Done with comedy.

01:08:31Guest:I don't know.

01:08:31Guest:It's in a bad place.

01:08:32Guest:Couldn't speak up.

01:08:34Marc:Yeah, my dad and I, we had a rough patch.

01:08:36Marc:I know that feeling, though.

01:08:37Marc:Like, if you're like a guy that, you know, wants to please people, you know, by wearing hats and whatnot.

01:08:46Guest:Stupid.

01:08:49Marc:That was my idea, man.

01:08:52Guest:Chicks dug it.

01:08:53Guest:You've never seen me with an unattractive woman because they love it.

01:08:56Guest:They're all into, like, they want that character, man.

01:08:59Guest:Okay, okay.

01:09:00Marc:I understand the reason that you've moved through life and then you got a bad one and that sent you over the edge.

01:09:07Marc:I'm just saying that.

01:09:08Marc:Yeah.

01:09:08Marc:Because I deal with myself is that if you have someone that you want, that you're infatuated with or in love with or whatever you think, or you're involved with even, you know, it becomes hard to say like, I want out.

01:09:22Marc:Yeah.

01:09:22Marc:To them.

01:09:23Marc:So you can just do it like a regular person and take the hit.

01:09:26Marc:It's easier sort of like, I want out.

01:09:28Marc:I'm going to end me.

01:09:29Marc:Be dramatic.

01:09:29Marc:Because I don't want it.

01:09:30Marc:Well, it's just like, you don't, it's hard.

01:09:32Marc:You think you're going to hurt somebody.

01:09:33Marc:You're thinking you're afraid of confrontation.

01:09:35Marc:You know, who the hell knows?

01:09:36Marc:Yeah.

01:09:36Guest:Yeah.

01:09:36Guest:I think my dad had a lot to do with it too.

01:09:38Guest:We were having some like shady, like he had me take over his business and like in Texas.

01:09:43Guest:Yeah.

01:09:44Guest:So you went back to Texas?

01:09:45Guest:I didn't go back, but he had a divorce and she was trying to take all his money and his company.

01:09:49Guest:And so we had your name on shit.

01:09:51Guest:Yep.

01:09:51Guest:We had the same middle name.

01:09:53Guest:And so it was like all that shit.

01:09:54Guest:Did you lose money because of that?

01:09:55Guest:I did.

01:09:56Guest:And he was like the IRS.

01:09:57Guest:It was a bunch of old money on it.

01:09:58Guest:It was like a shady, like, why would you put your son through that?

01:10:01Guest:Bad enough.

01:10:01Guest:What you did with my mom and you're going to do that.

01:10:03Guest:And they stayed together?

01:10:04Yeah.

01:10:05No.

01:10:05Guest:Oh, okay.

01:10:06Guest:No, she married a doctor.

01:10:07Guest:That's what I was saying.

01:10:07Guest:Oh, right, right, right.

01:10:08Guest:So she got out of that.

01:10:09Marc:The one that she stole the medicine from.

01:10:14Marc:So, all right.

01:10:15Marc:So you get out of the psych ward.

01:10:16Marc:You're in AA.

01:10:17Guest:Yeah.

01:10:18Guest:I think it starts to.

01:10:19Guest:What year was that?

01:10:20Guest:Well, this, it didn't, I didn't, it didn't take.

01:10:22Guest:The AA didn't take in the psych ward.

01:10:24Guest:I just wanted to be out.

01:10:25Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:10:25Guest:I get it.

01:10:26Guest:It took later.

01:10:26Guest:When I met you, it took, but it was, yeah.

01:10:29Guest:2001.

01:10:29Guest:That's about the time it started taking.

01:10:31Guest:I relapsed after that.

01:10:32Guest:Sure.

01:10:32Guest:You know.

01:10:33Guest:But eventually it took 17 years.

01:10:36Marc:Yeah.

01:10:36Marc:Well, that's great.

01:10:37Marc:But so like, but what's the, what's the process?

01:10:39Marc:When do you start earning the money as a comic?

01:10:43Marc:What were you out there headlining?

01:10:45Guest:I was, I was ran clubs, you know, that was part of it.

01:10:48Guest:And then I started kind of getting out there a little bit, just started making money and,

01:10:52Guest:Getting by.

01:10:54Guest:Yeah, getting by.

01:10:55Guest:Were you doing other jobs?

01:10:56Guest:No.

01:10:57Guest:No?

01:10:57Guest:It was always comedy.

01:10:57Guest:I either ran a club or I was on the road.

01:10:59Guest:Right.

01:11:00Guest:It wasn't like I never, you know, I wasn't like didn't put a name tag on or anything.

01:11:04Marc:But I mean, what, but even and stayed sober somehow.

01:11:08Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:11:08Marc:But like what?

01:11:10Marc:Were you ever like, you know, I got to get something going?

01:11:15Marc:I'm still, man, trying to get something going.

01:11:18Guest:I'm doing this.

01:11:20Guest:This is it.

01:11:21Guest:You're my Dick Cavett.

01:11:22Guest:Let's go.

01:11:25Guest:No, but comedy is always that, man.

01:11:27Guest:It's like, I don't know.

01:11:28Guest:It's like now I'm at a place where I'm working with Nate.

01:11:32Guest:I'm doing cruises.

01:11:33Guest:You know, whatever, man.

01:11:34Marc:Hold on back up.

01:11:35Marc:So, all right.

01:11:36Marc:So you're out there.

01:11:37Marc:You're running clubs.

01:11:39Marc:You're making ends meet.

01:11:41Marc:You're still living in New York.

01:11:42Marc:Sure.

01:11:43Marc:But you weren't clean.

01:11:45Guest:No.

01:11:45Marc:As a comic.

01:11:46Guest:Not at all.

01:11:47Marc:No, not at all.

01:11:47Marc:You know, and you had the jokes and the twitch and the thing.

01:11:51Guest:It's like they had that Attell thing going.

01:11:53Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:11:53Guest:Jokes.

01:11:53Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:11:54Marc:We were all raised by Attell.

01:11:55Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:11:56Marc:There's a whole generation of Attells.

01:11:58Marc:And then, so, at what point, like...

01:12:03Marc:When do you start doing boats?

01:12:05Marc:That's post-Nate, right?

01:12:06Guest:That's happening now, yeah.

01:12:07Marc:After Nate.

01:12:08Marc:Okay, so you're, you know, but you and Nate are pals because you ran that room together.

01:12:13Marc:You met Nate in New York.

01:12:14Marc:I took a chance on him.

01:12:17Guest:You put him on stage.

01:12:18Guest:I put him on stage when he wasn't quite ready.

01:12:20Guest:Yeah.

01:12:21Guest:And he had to work through it.

01:12:23Guest:So you were one of the only ones giving him stage time at the beginning.

01:12:26Guest:I was like the first guy, the first real guy that knew all you guys.

01:12:30Guest:Right.

01:12:30Guest:And so that's how it was.

01:12:31Guest:He was able to get stage time and meet everybody, which is part of the thing.

01:12:38Guest:If you're not meeting the right guys.

01:12:39Guest:How long had he been in New York?

01:12:41Guest:Just fresh.

01:12:42Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:12:43Guest:Right there.

01:12:43Guest:And then he lived with me.

01:12:44Guest:So that's what I say.

01:12:46Guest:I gave him stage time and I gave him a place to live.

01:12:48Guest:Oh, you and Aronovich, too.

01:12:49Guest:Yeah.

01:12:50Guest:Yeah.

01:12:51Guest:I was like that movie Blindside.

01:12:53Guest:That's what I say.

01:12:53Guest:I'm Nate Sandra Bullock.

01:12:56Guest:Interesting.

01:12:57Guest:Because I just talked to Aronovich.

01:12:59Guest:Oh, you did?

01:12:59Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:13:00Guest:Okay.

01:13:00Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:13:00Guest:Do you guys do this?

01:13:02Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:13:02Guest:Oh, that's awesome.

01:13:03Marc:Yeah.

01:13:04Marc:Yeah, because, like, oddly... He was talking about you, yeah.

01:13:07Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:13:07Marc:He wanted to do this.

01:13:08Marc:Because I helped him get sober.

01:13:10Marc:Yeah.

01:13:11Marc:Yeah, and... Yeah, both of us.

01:13:13Marc:Yeah.

01:13:14Marc:And, you know, and it was weird because there was one time where I'm like, I gotta... Like, and I don't get this because I'm barely... I'm not...

01:13:20Marc:that active in meetings and stuff anymore, but I'm pretty sober.

01:13:24Marc:And I talked to sober people, but like I was kind of spinning and I'm like, all right, I'm going to try and call it.

01:13:30Marc:I'm just going to call rich and, you know, do straight program call.

01:13:33Marc:Oh, wow.

01:13:35Yeah.

01:13:35Marc:Yeah.

01:13:35Marc:And he did it.

01:13:37Marc:That's great.

01:13:38Marc:Yeah.

01:13:39Marc:And then he's on the podcast.

01:13:44Marc:Whatever works, man.

01:13:45Guest:That's for sure.

01:13:47Guest:No, I always liked that guy.

01:13:48Guest:No, he's funny, man.

01:13:49Guest:He's like a trained performance guy.

01:13:53Marc:But he's a good guy.

01:13:54Marc:He's a good-hearted guy.

01:13:55Marc:He's a Jew like me, and we're nuts in a certain way.

01:14:00Marc:But you guys, you got kids now, right?

01:14:02Marc:No.

01:14:03Marc:Oh, well, that's good.

01:14:04Marc:Yeah.

01:14:04Marc:So, but he's... Two dogs, man.

01:14:10Guest:I'm a dog guy.

01:14:10Guest:Good for you.

01:14:11Guest:Good for you.

01:14:12Marc:Yeah, I win.

01:14:12Marc:But, you know, Rich has got kids, and I'm like, how's that going?

01:14:14Guest:Yeah, right?

01:14:15Guest:But he loves them, and he's a good dad.

01:14:17Guest:Of course he loves them.

01:14:17Guest:Of course he's a good dad.

01:14:18Guest:It's not hard to be a good dad, I think, these days.

01:14:21Marc:I guess, but, you know, there's a lot of shitty dads out there.

01:14:23Marc:Still?

01:14:24Marc:Is that happening?

01:14:24Marc:Yeah.

01:14:25Marc:Of course it's happening.

01:14:27Marc:Half the country's Republican.

01:14:29Marc:You think that's because of good parenting?

01:14:30Guest:They think they're good parents.

01:14:31Guest:They think they're making all the moves for their kids.

01:14:33Guest:But what about their parents?

01:14:34Guest:Oh, they're bad.

01:14:36Marc:They're not good.

01:14:37Marc:Nate's just one of the good ones.

01:14:39Marc:Yeah.

01:14:39Marc:Because he's got that Jesus going.

01:14:41Marc:But...

01:14:43Marc:So that's interesting.

01:14:44Marc:So you, you know, because Nate's a loyal guy.

01:14:48Marc:I had to earn it.

01:14:50Marc:But I'm just saying I had to figure it out.

01:14:54Marc:Right.

01:14:54Marc:But he knew your position in his life.

01:14:57Marc:He knew that you were the guy that got him on stage.

01:15:01Guest:Yeah, but I was also, you know, I was working, I was getting stuff going.

01:15:06Guest:And I think he, you know, and I told him and I had to convince him, you know.

01:15:10Marc:So this is like, so when I saw him in Michigan, he hadn't broke yet.

01:15:13Marc:And then all of a sudden, you know, Fallon took him and it just, it all happened fairly quickly.

01:15:18Marc:And, you know, and he, but he's always been that guy.

01:15:22Marc:Yeah.

01:15:22Marc:Nate.

01:15:23Marc:Clean.

01:15:23Marc:I mean, comedy-wise.

01:15:25Guest:Well, he has a lot.

01:15:25Guest:Like, he has all those lesions.

01:15:27Guest:Skanks guys.

01:15:27Guest:Like, they're all his buddies and whatever.

01:15:29Guest:From New York.

01:15:30Guest:Yeah.

01:15:30Guest:But he was always clean, right?

01:15:32Guest:Yeah, but those guys didn't do the work to figure it out with him.

01:15:36Guest:So it's like he always had problems with some of those guys.

01:15:38Guest:Yeah.

01:15:38Guest:They couldn't quite be clean, and so I just figured it out.

01:15:42Guest:Yeah.

01:15:42Guest:And it was tough and it's not easy because I'm still dark.

01:15:45Marc:No, but I just mean for him, for Nate, like, you know, his success, you know, he had it coming and he earned it.

01:15:52Marc:But it's just interesting that he was always clean.

01:15:55Marc:Even back in New York, he was not.

01:15:57Marc:No, even like a late show at Boston, he would be clean.

01:15:59Marc:That's the amazing thing about that's why, like, I didn't notice him till Michigan, because when you operate at that pace and you don't have a second gear, you got to wait and hope it works.

01:16:09Marc:Yeah.

01:16:10Marc:Because you're not there's no you can't make any adjustments to that.

01:16:14Marc:Right.

01:16:14Marc:You just got to wait till they come around.

01:16:15Marc:Todd was the same way.

01:16:17Marc:There are guys that operate at a certain he found his gear, which is crowd work.

01:16:20Marc:Right.

01:16:21Marc:But but he also found his gear in doing stand up because when we started, it was hard to get laughs.

01:16:26Marc:Jeff Liffschultz, Jeff Ross, the same way is you start out in a certain zone.

01:16:30Marc:And if you lock into it because that's who you are, then, you know, you hope for the best.

01:16:35Marc:And that happened with Nate.

01:16:36Marc:So when Nate starts breaking and, you know, how does how do you how does that how do you get locked in with him over after all those years?

01:16:46Guest:just kind of reached out.

01:16:47Guest:Yeah.

01:16:47Guest:I knew he was doing those, um, you know, around COVID and he was doing some, you know, starting to do some shows again.

01:16:53Guest:Yeah.

01:16:54Guest:And, uh, I just asked and said, Hey man, I'm working on a cleaner set.

01:16:58Guest:Yeah.

01:16:58Guest:I just did a, you know, the audition day GT.

01:17:00Guest:I'm trying to do all this stuff.

01:17:01Guest:And I said, I can pull it off.

01:17:02Guest:Yeah.

01:17:03Guest:And, uh, we did, uh, I think our first thing together was off the hook, the comedy club in Naples, Florida.

01:17:10Guest:Yeah.

01:17:10Guest:And, uh,

01:17:11Guest:Yeah, I did all right.

01:17:12Guest:I was clean-ish.

01:17:14Guest:So he wasn't a big act yet, but he was headlining.

01:17:17Guest:He was about to be.

01:17:18Guest:Yeah.

01:17:18Guest:I think Tennessee Kid was pretty popular.

01:17:21Guest:Okay.

01:17:21Guest:That Netflix special.

01:17:22Guest:Yeah.

01:17:22Guest:And so he was starting to get kind of, and then I think his podcast started to kind of reach people between that and Tennessee Kid.

01:17:29Guest:Right.

01:17:30Guest:It just started to come up and then, yeah.

01:17:32Guest:And then he just.

01:17:33Guest:So he just had you open for him?

01:17:34Guest:Yeah, it was just me.

01:17:35Guest:At that point, it was just me at the, you know, 25 minutes or whatever.

01:17:38Guest:And then it became more comics and became a bigger family.

01:17:42Marc:It's like a caravan of clowns.

01:17:45Marc:We like to call it an entourage, Mark.

01:17:46Marc:Okay, sorry.

01:17:50Marc:Or a festival.

01:17:51Marc:Big caravan of clean clowns running around in a bus.

01:17:57Guest:A jet.

01:17:58Guest:Let's just keep that straight.

01:18:02Guest:A jet full of non-partying clowns.

01:18:05Guest:I don't care.

01:18:06Guest:It's all right.

01:18:06Guest:I'll take it.

01:18:07Guest:It's a good time.

01:18:09Marc:So it's you and Julian.

01:18:10Guest:Yeah, a couple of guys.

01:18:11Guest:A couple of different.

01:18:12Guest:It's probably like eight guys.

01:18:13Guest:That do it?

01:18:13Guest:We rotate out.

01:18:14Guest:We rotate out.

01:18:15Marc:Okay, so how many people are on an arena show?

01:18:18Marc:Probably like Julian's usually the MC.

01:18:21Guest:Julian, yeah.

01:18:21Guest:And then three of us.

01:18:23Guest:And then three and then Nate.

01:18:24Guest:Nate.

01:18:24Guest:Yeah.

01:18:25Guest:And that's the show.

01:18:26Marc:Uh-huh.

01:18:26Guest:It's like 50 up top, and then he does the rest.

01:18:29Marc:Okay.

01:18:30Marc:Yeah.

01:18:30Marc:He does it like 50 more?

01:18:32Guest:Yeah, he does an hour.

01:18:33Guest:Yeah.

01:18:34Guest:He's working on a new one, so it's an hour.

01:18:36Guest:Yeah.

01:18:38Guest:He's one of the few guys left.

01:18:39Guest:I mean, you're like that.

01:18:40Guest:There's certain guys that are purists.

01:18:41Guest:You keep doing the hours.

01:18:42Guest:You do the hour.

01:18:43Marc:Yeah, I got one coming out in August for HBO.

01:18:46Marc:Nice.

01:18:46Marc:Yeah, it's all right.

01:18:47Marc:It's good.

01:18:48Marc:I'm happy with it.

01:18:49Marc:It looks great.

01:18:50Marc:I'm excited thank you I think you'll like it but it enabled you to sort of I imagine the responsibility of it is real you know to do those shows and to figure out how to do them and to do them clean I mean to do 18,000 people

01:19:05Marc:Yeah.

01:19:06Guest:You know, is I don't care who it's with to be able to do that is, you know, pretty great.

01:19:11Guest:Yeah.

01:19:11Guest:And to feel that.

01:19:12Guest:Yeah.

01:19:13Guest:I mean, that's that's like Aerosmith.

01:19:14Guest:Yeah.

01:19:16Guest:Comics aren't supposed to do that.

01:19:17Guest:Yeah.

01:19:18Guest:And so to be a part of that is pretty amazing.

01:19:20Guest:Yeah.

01:19:20Guest:No, I bet you it's great.

01:19:21Guest:And then it's like we get to be a part of the hour.

01:19:23Guest:We get to add and tag and write and talk to him.

01:19:26Guest:And, you know, he's our buddy.

01:19:28Guest:But at the same time, we all get to like, you know, workshop shit.

01:19:31Guest:yeah we're always you know it's it's always that yeah so i enjoy that those moments where he's trying to work out a bit yeah we're all like we're all in this together yeah yeah it's like he he takes it from us and like we'll rework a bit and yeah so it's great oh that's great one time he let me do his set list like i rearranged everything and so it's stuff like that yeah yeah did it work uh almost

01:19:54Guest:He had to tell a story.

01:19:56Guest:I think it didn't work.

01:19:59Guest:And he had to tell a story that he told before.

01:20:01Guest:It was like a whole thing.

01:20:02Guest:But he did it wrong.

01:20:04Guest:He missed one of my marks.

01:20:06Guest:So then he had to tell a story.

01:20:07Guest:But it worked for the most part.

01:20:08Guest:But whatever.

01:20:09Guest:He's cool like that.

01:20:11Marc:No, I love them.

01:20:12Marc:Yeah.

01:20:13Marc:So in terms of like, has that upped your visibility?

01:20:17Marc:I think so.

01:20:18Marc:Yeah?

01:20:18Guest:Yeah.

01:20:19Marc:You do all right when you do funny bones and shit?

01:20:21Marc:Yeah, I do okay.

01:20:22Marc:Yes.

01:20:22Marc:You headlining?

01:20:23Marc:Yeah, headlining.

01:20:24Marc:What are you doing, 50?

01:20:25Marc:Sometimes more.

01:20:26Marc:Okay.

01:20:26Marc:Depends.

01:20:27Marc:All clean now?

01:20:30Marc:Or that's just Nate.

01:20:31Marc:You got to be Nate clean.

01:20:32Marc:But when you go to do.

01:20:32Guest:Depends on, like, okay.

01:20:35Guest:Like, because here's what I do.

01:20:36Guest:Like, if I know I'm doing, like, let's say Corpus Christi with Nate or something.

01:20:41Guest:It's a big arena show.

01:20:42Guest:Yeah.

01:20:43Guest:Then I'll try to get a date at the comedy club.

01:20:45Guest:Right.

01:20:45Guest:And so then when I'm on the Nate show, hey, I'm going to be at this comedy club.

01:20:50Guest:Mesquite Street Comedy Club or whatever.

01:20:52Guest:You'll say that as you leave the stage.

01:20:54Guest:Or the MC says it.

01:20:56Guest:Yeah.

01:20:56Guest:And there's, you know, 10,000 people get to hear it.

01:20:58Guest:And that works?

01:20:59Guest:Yeah.

01:21:00Guest:Okay.

01:21:00Guest:And so then they'll come out and, you know, support me on, you know, two months later or whatever.

01:21:05Guest:Right.

01:21:06Guest:And if it's, if it's, if, if I do do that, then I'm clean because I know I'm getting that audience from Nate and I don't want to, you know, step on the Nate brand.

01:21:14Guest:Yeah.

01:21:14Guest:So I, you know, I feel like that's my responsibility to keep it clean.

01:21:18Guest:But if I'm just headlining and it's not from a Nate show, you know, I'll, it might come and go, but I'm trying to lean, you know, I'm trying to lean towards that, but I'm not, you know, it's not the main focus.

01:21:27Marc:You've got a new special?

01:21:29Guest:I just did a dry bar.

01:21:31Guest:Yeah, and then I'm recording something in December.

01:21:34Guest:What's that called?

01:21:35Guest:Keeping Clean.

01:21:36Guest:It's like the idea of staying clean, sobriety, and then also be a clean comic.

01:21:42Guest:And you haven't recorded that yet?

01:21:44Guest:It's in December, yeah.

01:21:45Guest:I just did a dry bar.

01:21:46Guest:What is a dry bar?

01:21:47Guest:It's like a company that does clean specials.

01:21:51Guest:It's out of Utah.

01:21:54Guest:Back to Utah.

01:21:55Yeah.

01:21:55Guest:Actually, in Provo.

01:21:56Guest:Yeah.

01:21:57Guest:Oh, good.

01:21:57Guest:It went all the way back.

01:21:58Guest:Full circle.

01:22:00Guest:Yeah, full circle.

01:22:01Guest:Are they Mormon?

01:22:02Guest:Yeah.

01:22:04Guest:Okay.

01:22:04Guest:But they got mad at me doing Mormon stuff, but whatever.

01:22:06Guest:It's a whole thing.

01:22:07Guest:They did?

01:22:07Guest:Well, I went back.

01:22:09Guest:I did a gig in Jordan, Utah.

01:22:12Guest:Yeah.

01:22:12Guest:And I was very excited to do it.

01:22:13Guest:I was headlining.

01:22:14Guest:And I did that story with the jerking off and all the Mormon stuff because I was like, if any of these people, you know, this is the crowd that's going to get it.

01:22:22Guest:Sometimes I do a crowd.

01:22:23Guest:They don't understand this Mormon journey at all.

01:22:26Guest:And I got to explain it more.

01:22:27Marc:And it's also there's a lot of Jack Mormons there.

01:22:31Marc:Yeah, absolutely.

01:22:32Marc:Yeah.

01:22:32Marc:I mean, I do Salt Lake all the time.

01:22:34Marc:I love it.

01:22:34Marc:I love Keith.

01:22:35Marc:You know, Stubbs, great guy, great club.

01:22:37Marc:Sure.

01:22:37Marc:And most of the audience that comes, half of them are Jack Mormons.

01:22:40Guest:Yeah, that's what I thought.

01:22:41Guest:But I think I rubbed it the wrong way because I mean, just.

01:22:45Guest:You got reported?

01:22:45Guest:I think so.

01:22:47Guest:I've been in trouble getting back, you know.

01:22:49Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:22:50Guest:But I did good.

01:22:50Marc:Someone went to the committee?

01:22:52Guest:I think so.

01:22:53Yeah.

01:22:53Marc:To the court?

01:22:55Marc:I think they did, man.

01:22:57Marc:Hey, dude, it's a big deal.

01:22:59Marc:There's some Mormon-sanctioned comics.

01:23:01Marc:I imagine Nate's Mormon-sanctioned.

01:23:03Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:23:04Marc:Yeah, because, like, you know, Regan used to make, you know, almost all his money doing the arena.

01:23:08Guest:Well, Nate's that guy now.

01:23:09Guest:Yeah.

01:23:10Guest:It's all Delta Skyline, whatever.

01:23:12Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:23:13Marc:All those big arenas.

01:23:15Marc:Wild.

01:23:17Marc:Yeah.

01:23:17Marc:You know, I'm oddly fascinated with Salt Lake, and I like going there.

01:23:21Marc:It's beautiful.

01:23:22Marc:Because the Mormons, for me, they're very pleasant people.

01:23:26Marc:Yeah.

01:23:26Guest:Well, they're taught to love the Jews.

01:23:28Guest:They are?

01:23:29Marc:Yeah.

01:23:29Marc:I guess they all see us as essential somehow.

01:23:31Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:23:32Guest:You guys are the landing pad.

01:23:33Guest:You guys are taking care of that.

01:23:36Marc:It's touch and go right now.

01:23:37Marc:Yeah, it's true.

01:23:41Marc:Got a lot of push from the religious people to clean the landing pad, but problems persist.

01:23:47Marc:Yeah.

01:23:48Marc:Oof.

01:23:48Marc:I know.

01:23:49Marc:Well, how are they going to get us all there?

01:23:50Marc:Don't answer that.

01:23:53Marc:We're third down on the ice raids.

01:23:55Marc:We've got to get all the Jews to Israel.

01:23:56Guest:They need restocking.

01:23:58Guest:You've got to get them there.

01:23:59Marc:Yeah.

01:24:01Marc:Well, that's all pretty exciting stuff, man.

01:24:03Marc:I'm glad you're doing all right.

01:24:04Marc:Yeah, man.

01:24:05Guest:I like it out here, man.

01:24:06Guest:How long have you been here?

01:24:08Marc:About four years.

01:24:08Marc:Yeah.

01:24:09Guest:I love it.

01:24:10Guest:It's all right.

01:24:10Marc:I live by Runyon Canyon.

01:24:12Marc:Yeah, go up there.

01:24:13Marc:I got the dog.

01:24:14Marc:I went to a hike today.

01:24:15Marc:Yeah.

01:24:15Marc:Up over here.

01:24:16Marc:Yeah, Runyon's pretty nice.

01:24:18Marc:I love it, yeah.

01:24:18Marc:It's just the lifestyle.

01:24:19Guest:I like it.

01:24:20Guest:You don't go to the store or nothing, though?

01:24:22Guest:Belly room, you know?

01:24:23Guest:I'm working on it.

01:24:24Guest:Hoping this might help.

01:24:25Guest:I mean, you ready for the OR and shit?

01:24:28Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:24:28Guest:I'm ready for anything.

01:24:29Guest:I'll follow anybody, man.

01:24:32Guest:I'm ready.

01:24:32Marc:I'll introduce you to Rose.

01:24:34Guest:That'd be amazing.

01:24:35Guest:Yeah.

01:24:35Marc:Why don't you... Yeah.

01:24:37Marc:I'll tell her.

01:24:38Marc:I'll see if she's going to be around tonight.

01:24:40Marc:What are you doing tonight?

01:24:41Marc:I'll make that.

01:24:42Marc:Yeah, I got a... I don't know.

01:24:44Marc:What do you got?

01:24:45Marc:I think I got a spot in one of the rooms tonight.

01:24:47Marc:Yeah.

01:24:47Marc:I'll see if she's there and I'll introduce you.

01:24:49Marc:That'd be great.

01:24:50Marc:But, you know, I don't know what her system is, though, you know?

01:24:52Marc:I don't care.

01:24:53Marc:I just... This is all I mean.

01:24:54Marc:I appreciate that.

01:24:55Marc:I don't know how much juice you doing this has.

01:24:58Yeah.

01:24:58Marc:But it was nice talking to you.

01:25:00Marc:I'm glad you thought of it as an angle.

01:25:03Guest:It's not an angle.

01:25:04Guest:It's just, it's, well, first of all, I love you.

01:25:07Guest:I hadn't talked to you.

01:25:08Guest:And so this is great.

01:25:09Guest:I miss, I do miss that goofy laugh and that energy.

01:25:13Guest:But no, this is a big deal.

01:25:15Guest:I'm not going to lie.

01:25:15Guest:I'm not going to go, it's not.

01:25:16Guest:No, no.

01:25:17Guest:It's a big deal in my world.

01:25:19Guest:It may not be a big deal.

01:25:20Guest:It's not an angle.

01:25:22Guest:It's just as much as you'd want to be on Tonight Show.

01:25:24Guest:You know what I mean?

01:25:25Guest:You're my Johnny Carson.

01:25:26Marc:I hope it does something.

01:25:29Marc:I don't care if it does, but I'm just saying it's a big deal to be on it.

01:25:32Guest:It's an honor.

01:25:33Guest:I love everything you've done.

01:25:35Guest:Well, thank you.

01:25:36Guest:It's great.

01:25:36Marc:It's fun.

01:25:38Marc:I'm glad we talked.

01:25:39Marc:I don't feel any distance.

01:25:41Marc:No.

01:25:41Marc:It's great.

01:25:41Guest:I knew it would be fine.

01:25:42Marc:Let's go to a meeting.

01:25:43Marc:Yeah.

01:25:43Guest:Really?

01:25:44Guest:Yeah.

01:25:44Guest:I'm going to make you go to a meeting.

01:25:45Guest:Let's go.

01:25:46Guest:Okay.

01:25:46Guest:I'd love to.

01:25:47Guest:There's a great one.

01:25:48Guest:I'll tell you about it.

01:25:49Guest:What night?

01:25:50Guest:Wednesdays.

01:25:51Guest:There's a noon meeting that's great.

01:25:53Marc:A noon one?

01:25:54Guest:Yeah.

01:25:54Marc:What, the comic one?

01:25:56Marc:Yeah.

01:25:56Marc:Yeah, I'll go.

01:25:57Marc:I mean, Bobby's always like, come on.

01:26:00Marc:Yeah?

01:26:00Marc:Yeah.

01:26:01Marc:I could probably use one.

01:26:03Marc:Yeah.

01:26:03Marc:Maybe next week if I don't go to New Mexico.

01:26:05Marc:You should, yeah.

01:26:06Marc:All right, buddy.

01:26:07Marc:Good talking to you.

01:26:07Marc:Thanks, buddy.

01:26:08Marc:Yeah.

01:26:13Marc:Wow, good story, right?

01:26:16Marc:You can go to DustinChafin.com to check out his tour dates and watch his special.

01:26:20Marc:Hang out for a minute, will ya?

01:26:25Marc:Okay, for full Marin subscribers, we've got a special Friday show for you tomorrow.

01:26:29Marc:Chris and Brendan have an entire episode about, yes, seriously, Smokey and the Bandit.

01:26:35Guest:If you don't know the plot of Smokey and the Bandit, you hear a very literal song about Bandit and how he is the great trucker of the South.

01:26:46Guest:And that's Jerry Reed singing the song.

01:26:48Guest:Which, by the way...

01:26:49Guest:bandit never drives a truck he doesn't drive a single truck and when you first see bandit there are signs saying king of all truckers come meet the great bandit the truck driving world champion it says on the sign

01:27:08Guest:I have a question.

01:27:09Guest:So is he driving the truck around the world?

01:27:14Guest:Does he go to the Le Mans with a semi truck?

01:27:18Guest:Is he in China like racing people?

01:27:21Guest:On the wall?

01:27:22Guest:Yeah.

01:27:23Guest:I want to know more about the world title of truck driving.

01:27:28Guest:Yes.

01:27:29Guest:Fascinating.

01:27:29Marc:That's tomorrow for full Marin subscribers to get bonus episodes twice a week.

01:27:33Marc:And every episode of WTF ad free sign up for the full Marin, go to the link in the episode description or go to WTF pod.com and click on WTF plus.

01:27:44Marc:And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by a cast.

01:27:48Marc:I'm doing a few covers lately.

01:27:50Marc:This one is one of my favorites.

01:27:57Thank you.

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01:29:42guitar solo

01:30:36Marc:Boomer lives.

01:30:38Marc:Monkey and LaFonda.

01:30:38Marc:Cat angels everywhere.