Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Marc:Lock the gates!
Marc:All right, let's do this.
Marc:How are you?
Marc:What the fuckers?
Marc:What the fuck buddies?
Marc:What the fucking ears?
Marc:What's happening?
Marc:What is happening?
Marc:Happy Thanksgiving.
Marc:Are you listening on Thanksgiving Day?
Marc:Is this your Thanksgiving pep talk?
Marc:Is this your way out?
Marc:Have you pulled yourself away from the chaos in the kitchen or the chaos of the...
Marc:Family drama, whatever that may be.
Marc:Are you looking for respite?
Marc:Well, maybe I can help you.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I'm not doing my regular Thanksgiving thing because the situation is different, but I just didn't get it together.
Marc:I'm going to be home for Thanksgiving.
Marc:Because my mom's not at her house anymore.
Marc:And, well, there's no reason for it.
Marc:I just didn't get it together.
Marc:They're all going to be eating at my cousin's.
Marc:But I'm not going to be there.
Marc:But that doesn't mean I'm not there in spirit or I can't empathize for your particular situation.
Marc:But I have some thoughts.
Marc:I don't know if you want my thoughts, or maybe you do.
Marc:Maybe that's why you're listening.
Marc:I'll get to them.
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Marc:steve fury is on the show uh he's a regular at the comedy store and he's toured with burke kreischer uh but he's one of these guys that you know i used to see all the time i i've appeared on his shows sometimes and it was one of these things where like you know i finally at some point sat down and watched him and i'm like holy shit this guy's a funny fuck he's the real deal i wonder what his story is um
Marc:So I asked him to be on the show.
Marc:Turns out his mom's a big fan.
Marc:I get that a lot.
Marc:I get that a lot now.
Marc:Yeah, my mom loves you.
Marc:I'm like, oh, how old are you?
Marc:But I just wanted to get to know him, so I had him on because I think he's a funny fucker.
Marc:So look, you guys, I've been thinking...
Marc:I spent a few days here in New Mexico, my hometown.
Marc:I spent a lot of time with my dad this time.
Marc:And I don't know.
Marc:You know, it's difficult, man.
Marc:It's difficult when they're old and they're kind of losing it.
Marc:But I found some interesting things about me and my father at this stage of where he's at.
Marc:Is that...
Marc:I feel like I have the same approach to him that he had to me in my life.
Marc:Like, you know, there were times where I was hobbled or I thought I was sick or I broke my bones.
Marc:He was an orthopedic surgeon.
Marc:He set my leg twice and it's still, I don't walk right.
Marc:And that's an indicator of the type of attention that one might get from a father as opposed to a doctor.
Marc:I have no memory of doing physical therapy when I had a spiral fracture of my tibia because he set my ski bindings too tight and I fell and twisted it up.
Marc:I have no recollection of physical therapy after he ran over my foot while I was trying to get out of a car.
Marc:But I was fortunate in those moments that he did know how to set a leg and set an ankle.
Marc:But there wasn't much follow through.
Marc:And it was always sort of a not necessarily tough love, slightly detached.
Marc:And I found myself today when I was helping him out of the car.
Marc:Because he's not totally disoriented, but walking seems to be a challenge and memories are fading.
Marc:And I don't know, I have a certain amount of humor about it, but I do find myself going, come on, you good?
Marc:You out?
Marc:Can you get out?
Marc:You need help?
Marc:What do you want?
Yeah.
Marc:It's not that I don't care, but it's a very practical approach.
Marc:It's not very emotionally loaded.
Marc:I'm not necessarily being caring.
Marc:I'm just sort of like, what do you need?
Marc:Are we getting out of the car?
Marc:Are we walking?
Marc:Are we going?
Marc:Are you good?
Marc:And I realized today that that's exactly sort of the way he handled me.
Marc:But he was responsible for both times.
Marc:I broke my fucking leg.
Marc:I'm not responsible for his fucking dementia or whatever the fuck is going on.
Marc:But it doesn't matter.
Marc:I was both amazed that I was sort of approaching him with the same kind of caring, aggravated detachment that he did me.
Marc:But also, you know, happy to be there, happy to help out, happy to spend time with him.
Marc:And I don't know, I've had some sort of weird shift about this thing, about the predicament of being a reasonable person in the face of an unreasonable election outcome and the sort of divisiveness that exists all the way down to the familial playing field.
Marc:or the familial relationships that are strained by this thing, you know, and I know we're, we're in it again and you're in it again.
Marc:And I don't know, maybe I could share a story that happened that I don't, I don't know if it's enlightening or what, you know,
Marc:My father and I don't think we're on different sides politically, but he's not a very political person.
Marc:He just and he's also like he's not all there.
Marc:So, you know, he just reacts emotionally.
Marc:And he's like, you know, yeah, I think that Trump's a good guy.
Marc:And I'm I'm like, all right.
Marc:You know, what am I going to yell at my dad with dementia?
Marc:I know his his wife doesn't, you know, think the same way I do politically for religious reasons and other reasons.
Marc:But it was funny because I was driving over there.
Marc:I was like, all right, just, you know.
Marc:Nothing has changed other than everything on some level, but these are people, they're your family, you go in.
Marc:So I walk into their house and my dad's wife is listening to, Rosie's listening to something on her computer.
Marc:And it sounded like talk radio to me.
Marc:It was just that broadcasting voice sound of people going at it or engaged in that patter that is talk radio.
Marc:And I'm just walking down the hallway, my dad's, I don't know,
Marc:polishing his shoes or something and uh she's walking around with a computer listening to this and i'm like oh here we go what the fuck is she listening to and i couldn't really make out the voices i just sounded like radio to me but eventually you know i just within you know 40 seconds 30 seconds i said what are you listening to with a slight you know there was a
Marc:I was ready to kind of get into this judgmental zone of like, oh, yeah, Hewitt, whatever.
Marc:Hannity, what is it?
Marc:Which one of those idiots are we listening to today?
Marc:And I go, what are you listening to?
Marc:She goes, you.
Marc:And I'm like, what?
Marc:I'm like, which one?
Marc:She's like, the one that came out yesterday.
Marc:And I'm like, oh, she's like, we always listen.
Marc:And I'm like, oh, my God.
Marc:Just, you know, is a humbling moment that I couldn't even identify my own voice because I don't ever listen to the playback.
Marc:It just sounded like, you know, talk radio to me, which is sort of what this is.
Marc:But it just kind of diffused something in my brain.
Marc:And I don't know.
Marc:What is my point?
Marc:as we enter this zone, and as I deal with my aging and fragile father, is that I think there was a time where these political...
Marc:sides and division wasn't as defined and horrible and toxic and, you know, everybody is sort of informed with their own version of what they think justifies their ideology or their anger or whatever.
Marc:You know, it was obviously different.
Marc:You know, there was, I believe, a time where, you know, people just voted and you may know that they are different politically than you are, but, you know, they are still, you know, your family.
Marc:And I think in the past, you
Marc:I've had this idea that it's going to be tough.
Marc:I hope you get through your meal.
Marc:I hope it doesn't get too heated.
Marc:But on the side of where I come from, I can get heated or whatever, and I don't like it.
Marc:I don't like engaging in those arguments because all of a sudden you enter this
Marc:This tenor, this tone, even if you think you're being rational and reasonable and you just want to talk this out, you can actually get beside yourself into this tone that has no real empathy to it.
Marc:It's just sort of anger and disbelief.
Marc:And this desire to speak your mind, even though you know it's not going to go anywhere.
Marc:And I guess the moment I had with my dad and just in general is that, you know, political affiliation or thought, it's just, you know, it's one component of a person.
Right.
Marc:even if they're all caught up.
Marc:I mean, even if they're frothing at the mouth, even if they are gloating.
Marc:And families are fraught with other issues.
Marc:And oddly, I think the discourse politically, especially if you're on a different side than certain family members that you have to spend time with, a lot of the posturing and anger and kind of arrogance to it
Marc:It may be masking a lot of other stuff.
Marc:I think that seems to be what we do sometimes, you know, in relationship and families is that if you can lock into something that, you know, is decisive and you believe it in a moment, but has nothing to do with the general disposition or your emotional experience with your family, you know, you lean into it.
Marc:And I guess what I would say, only because I just experienced it for myself, is try to see what the other components are.
Marc:I mean, if you have love for these people, you know, try and get to that place because, you know, they're not going to be around forever and you might go to your grave disagreeing with them and they might not ever see your way of thinking.
Marc:But, you know, if there is love there,
Marc:And there is history there.
Marc:Find that place and try to sit in that a little bit and rise above it.
Marc:These people aren't around forever.
Marc:And some of the stuff that lies beneath whatever political views they may have may be traumatizing or difficult as well.
Marc:But I don't know.
Marc:Just to save your own sanity, I would try to engage with what
Marc:what you come from and the good parts of that and perhaps the times which you were connected to these people in a way that defines you and some of the good things about yourself and the good things about them.
Marc:I think that you should try to do that.
Marc:It doesn't mean you can't take a break, but try not to lose your shit.
Marc:And, you know, it's not your job to stop other people from losing their shit.
Marc:But again, this kind of goes along with the theme of, you know, keep hold of yourself, you know, stay in you, you know, kind of hold on to who you are in the face of all this stuff.
Marc:But and that I think is important on a family level, you know, because like the one thing I did notice about me and my father was
Marc:Is that I'm not like him.
Marc:There are things I have of him that, you know, are somewhat liabilities and I'm not thrilled about it.
Marc:But for the most part, some of the stuff that, you know, he's one of these guys where everything's bullshit.
Marc:You know, what's the point?
Marc:Who gives a shit?
Marc:But even that's posturing.
Marc:You know, these are all everybody's fragile.
Marc:They can't hide their their humanness.
Marc:I'm not even going to say humanity because I'm not disregarding the idea that that there are monsters out there.
Marc:But I don't know for your own sanity and maybe, you know, for for something that that could be somewhat cathartic.
Marc:And, you know, maybe enriching on some level in terms of where you are with your family in these holidays.
Marc:You know, I would try to I would try to find that because whatever happens at your dinner table is not going to change the world.
Marc:And whatever's happening in the world is out of our control on some level, at least on this day and in that room that you're in or you're going to be in.
Marc:And whatever goes on there is not going to make anything necessarily better in the world or provide you with solace or it could make you more angry.
Marc:But the bottom line is that if you're with family and it's strained,
Marc:You do have a little bit of control over that.
Marc:And you do have an ability to act differently or think differently or take contrary actions to what your emotions are telling you to do.
Marc:You know, find the love, folks.
Marc:Find the love.
Marc:Because everyone's going to die and we're all in this shit show together.
Marc:Some people are more responsible for it than others.
Marc:Look at how you're different.
Marc:Look at how you saved your own fucking life in the midst of growing up in a certain way.
Marc:Kind of fortify yourself with that and then try to see the good things.
Marc:Because if you're showing up for dinner...
Marc:You don't have to do that, but you're doing it.
Marc:Why?
Marc:There's got to be something in that bag that defines who you are and who you are emotionally.
Marc:And those might come from the good parts of whatever shit show you might have found yourself growing up in.
Marc:So again, you know, try to hold on to yourself and don't get triggered by
Marc:by someone fucking with you in your fucking family event if it's just about politics.
Marc:Because it's probably about something else.
Marc:And if you can let it go by you and just have a little fucking empathy...
Marc:Because you know these people.
Marc:Save yourself the aggravation, impossible, fucking spiral.
Marc:You know.
Marc:You know what to do.
Marc:All right?
Marc:Open your heart.
Marc:Come on.
Marc:I can only do it for a few minutes at a time.
Marc:But maybe you have a better success rate with it.
Marc:So look, Steve Fury is here.
Marc:He'll be at the Punchline in San Francisco next month to see everything he's doing.
Marc:Check out SteveFury.com or his social media pages.
Marc:Very funny guy.
Marc:Love talking to him.
Marc:So this is, and so now you can hear me talking to him.
Yeah.
Guest:Are you on drugs?
Guest:Not right now.
Guest:How's that going?
Guest:About three months.
Guest:Off of what?
Guest:Well, you know, the alcohol goes into the cocaine, so I'm off a lot of things.
Guest:You can't have one without the other.
Guest:No.
Guest:Something happens, you know.
Guest:Once you start doing it, right when you hit your fourth beer.
Guest:Yeah, you start thinking.
Guest:Yeah, you're like, well, I'm going to stay up a little while.
Guest:Yeah, I could keep having fun.
Marc:Keep having beers.
Yeah.
Marc:Oh my God, dude.
Marc:It's been so long since I thought about that shit.
Marc:I mean, I think about it.
Marc:Because, like, I've been sober, what, like, real sober, 25 years change.
Marc:But I remember just sitting there, like, and there's nothing going on.
Marc:No.
Marc:You're just drinking.
Marc:Nothing going on.
Marc:It's just to help you drink longer by yourself, too, at the end.
Marc:Yeah, I think that's what it comes down to.
Marc:But, like, initially, like, if you're at the store or something or out at a bar and you're drinking, and it's, like, 1130 and you start thinking, like, no, no.
Marc:It's going to turn around.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I'm going to call the guy, get this party started.
Guest:Then the guy doesn't come for an hour.
Guest:Now it's 1230.
Guest:Everyone else left.
Guest:And now you're at home till 6 a.m.
Guest:by yourself.
Guest:Like, I don't think this was what I wanted to do, but I guess I could watch more YouTube videos.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:I still got some left.
Guest:Oh, and you just know your day is going to be fucked up.
Guest:Yeah, and now it stopped being like a day fucked up.
Guest:It started being like... Three days?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:How old are you?
Guest:35.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I guess it starts wearing you down.
Guest:Yeah, I feel 35 was the first time I've ever felt old.
Marc:Yeah, but you just never quite get right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You just kind of...
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:Now I'm just like, I'm tasting it.
Marc:I'm thinking about it.
Marc:I'm thinking about it.
Marc:You're not missing much.
Marc:When you lay in bed and you're like, I can do it.
Marc:I think I'm sleeping.
Marc:I think I'm sleeping.
Marc:We're totally sleeping.
Guest:We're sleeping right now.
Guest:Everything's going to be okay.
Guest:And then you hear the... Oh, it's the worst, man.
Marc:You hear a guy going to work.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Door slamming.
Marc:Outside.
Marc:Car doors.
Marc:I love you.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:No one loves me.
Guest:Look at me.
Marc:Fuck.
Marc:I'm not going to figure out.
Marc:And then you get up, and you just sort of, I'm just going to ride it out as long as I can until you totally pass out.
Marc:Yeah, but I get that thing where you think you're sleeping, but you're not.
Marc:Like, you know, like, I wouldn't be thinking this if I was awake.
Marc:This is not an awake thing.
Marc:I like tricking yourself into it.
Marc:We're sleeping right now.
Guest:Everything's fine, dude.
Guest:We're happening.
Guest:This is great.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:It's amazing we were able to pull it off.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They thought we couldn't do it.
Guest:I didn't think we could do it.
Guest:We did it.
Guest:We did it, brother.
Marc:We're sleeping totally.
Marc:So, like, here's what, I don't know, like, I don't know when I first met you.
Marc:Do you?
Marc:Probably when I was a door guy.
Marc:Okay, so it was a door guy thing.
Guest:So probably close to 10 years ago.
Marc:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It's like, I'm embarrassed, like, you know, because I've always seen you around and I kind of knew you.
Marc:But, like, I don't know what the hell I'm thinking.
Marc:You know, it's not out of arrogance or anything else, but there always comes this moment where guys I've seen for years, you know, and then I'm just sitting in the OR one night, and I'm like, holy fuck, this guy's got something.
Marc:He's a funny guy.
Guest:Like, nine years later.
Guest:Well, it's, you know, there's so many people pass through the comedy store.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, I'm now getting to the point, too, where, like, in the beginning, I'm like, oh, I've got to be friends with this guy, this guy.
Guest:And then I'm like, you'll kind of sift out, like, gold to the time that I need to meet you.
Guest:You know, it'll be like a couple years.
Guest:It's not going to be me meeting every guy, hoping, and then he leaves.
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:You'll sift through.
Marc:There's layers.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, when did you start there?
Guest:I moved there when I was 20.
Guest:I started there when I was 27, so eight years ago, and I started going two years before that.
Guest:A door guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And how long were you a door guy?
Guest:Two and a half years.
Guest:Adam Egan passed me, which was pretty quick back in the day.
Guest:It was a lot harder to get past.
Guest:Adam Egan.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was harder to get past.
Marc:Yeah, it was way harder.
Marc:And I feel like it was harder with Adam.
Marc:Yes, Adam was very hard.
Guest:But where did you come from?
Guest:Where'd you start?
Guest:I started in Sacramento, California.
Guest:So you're like a California guy?
Guest:Through and through, yeah.
Guest:Really?
Guest:I went to Sacramento.
Guest:I got passed by those clubs in like two years.
Guest:I started featuring.
Guest:Then I went to San Francisco.
Guest:Went through the punchline.
Marc:You grew up in Sac?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:What the fuck was that like?
Marc:I talked to like nine people in my life.
Marc:Four people.
Marc:Eh, five.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Sacramento, I've always had a weird vibe about Sacramento.
Guest:You know what, man?
Guest:I mean, obviously, I'm pretty gung-ho, but I love it because, one, it's one of the most diverse cities in America.
Guest:Yeah, but you knew that growing up.
Guest:You were like, I'm so happy to be here.
Guest:There's such a sense of diversity.
Guest:I did.
Guest:I always felt that because I looked around my group of friends, and I never noticed it.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:You know, like when you grow up with something like that, I don't notice that I'm hanging out with a Hmong guy, a Vietnamese guy.
Guest:A Hmong guy.
Guest:A Russian.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:You know, these are just my friends.
Guest:That seems like you hired him.
Guest:Yeah, no, they were cheap, too.
Guest:That's a great thing.
Guest:The Russian guy.
Guest:The Russian guy and the Hmong guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I bought a faulty car or two from a Russian.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:How'd that go?
Guest:You couldn't give it back, could you?
Guest:No, he's gone.
Guest:No justice.
Guest:I'm like, I thought that was your house.
Guest:I thought I went to your house.
Guest:That guy's like, no, he doesn't live here.
Guest:I'm like, what do you mean he doesn't live here?
Guest:I just bought a car from him.
Marc:This is the address.
Marc:This is the address.
Guest:Look at the thing.
Marc:Did the people even know him?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:No, he was just standing out front of their house, and I think they were gone, and he parked it in their driveway.
Guest:So I go to this house.
Guest:I'm like, this is a nice house.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Ten cars in the driveway.
Guest:I'm like, oh, he kind of like fixes them up.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Bought the car.
Guest:Two days later, transmission went up, went to the house.
Guest:They're like, no, I was out of town for three days.
Guest:What do you mean you bought a car from here?
Guest:So.
Marc:Never saw that Russian again?
Guest:Never.
Guest:No, he's in the wind.
Marc:But there was a big Russian community there inside?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But where'd you like, so you just went to, you didn't go to college or nothing?
Guest:Yeah, I went to college.
Guest:I graduated college.
Guest:I mean, it took me a long time.
Guest:I was like the guy who did like four years at a community college and then three years at actual college.
Guest:So it took me like seven, like a little Van Wilder.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I went to Sac State and I just did that just so my dad, you know, they'd get off my back.
Guest:What was your dad doing?
Guest:My dad is very smart, but he's like a handyman wouldn't be the nice thing to say about him.
Guest:He's incredibly talented, can make anything, can fix anything from a car to your house to building rooms.
Guest:He can do anything like that.
Guest:So he would do that, stuff like that.
Guest:Like contracting?
Guest:Yeah, like a contractor, kind of.
Guest:He's a master plumber.
Guest:So he can do anything.
Guest:He can just do anything.
Guest:So a lot of times I was going to probably be a plumber.
Guest:if this didn't work out.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah, the plumber?
Guest:I just didn't want to go in her houses.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Go under him?
Guest:Yeah, that's the worst part.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because all your plumbing's down there.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And you're in there, dude, and it's like... You would go out with your dad?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I would either have to go in there... I wouldn't last long because I don't like spiders.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:You'd be... It's terrifying down there.
Guest:It's like the bottom of the ocean.
Guest:There's creatures that haven't been discovered yet.
Guest:There's dead animals.
Guest:There's a carcass.
Guest:I'm like, what's eating this?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:And you're just crawling.
Guest:And the light goes away.
Guest:There's like a light.
Guest:And you just got a flashlight.
Guest:And you're just waiting for corpses of some kind.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And my dad, the pipe's going to go on the right side of the house.
Guest:I'm like, I have no idea where I am.
Guest:I don't know where.
Guest:It's north.
Guest:I don't know where north is, Dad.
Guest:There's a dead rat next to me.
Guest:You're just terrified.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So that made me go, I'm not doing this job.
Guest:So like, what's the exact opposite of this?
Guest:Let's go understand it.
Marc:I had that happen here a couple weeks ago.
Marc:Oh, I was, I hadn't been home for, you know, cause I was shooting that show and I just haven't been in the basement.
Marc:And I went down there and dude, there was more ratchet than I ever seen in my life.
Marc:Ever seen in my life.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And there was, cause I smelled, I was about to leave and I smelled like that is a dead animal.
Marc:And there was one rat down there dead and I figured there's a lot more, but there wasn't.
Marc:I put two traps out.
Marc:I don't know how he died.
Marc:He just crapped out.
Marc:But apparently one rat, you know, if they, if they get comfortable and you don't fuck with them,
Marc:They can shit 50 times a day.
Marc:I mean, I would say, what are your cats doing?
Marc:I would say that's kind of their thing.
Marc:Yeah, I know, but I don't let them down there.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:They don't go down there.
Marc:It's almost a basement.
Marc:It's a large crawl space.
Marc:So when you're coming up in high school, you got brothers and sisters?
Marc:No.
Marc:You're it?
Marc:Mm-hmm.
Marc:Fuck, man.
Marc:That's a lot of pressure.
Marc:I always think it's a lot of pressure, but I've never talked to an only child that feels that way.
Guest:No.
Guest:No one really ever expected much from me.
Guest:I don't think was the thing.
Guest:No, there was never like, you got to do this.
Guest:You got to marry into a nice family.
Guest:No, it was just like, we got through it.
Guest:We did it.
Guest:Because they divorced real early.
Guest:So it was kind of a more of a... When?
Guest:How old were you?
Guest:Like I was in the second or third grade.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And then they're both, they live like two miles away from each other.
Marc:Oh, so you just kind of went back and forth.
Guest:Week on, week off.
Guest:So it was more like the relationship between them was both, we're both just trying to get through this.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:You know what I mean?
Guest:So we have a very good relationship.
Guest:And they're friends?
Guest:I wouldn't say friends.
Marc:They're both still around, though?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I wouldn't say friends, but they're good to be around each other.
Guest:Yeah, because of you.
Guest:Yeah, they would never talk to each other again if I'm with me.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:So you held them together in that way.
Marc:But was it like one of those things where it's like, fuck you, I'm going to live with dad?
Guest:It'd be a little bit like that sometimes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But like, you know, fuck you, I'm going to live with my dad.
Guest:I'm just like a block down the street.
Guest:So they'd see me.
Guest:I was like, don't look at me.
Guest:Don't look at me.
Guest:I'm mad at you still.
Guest:I can see you from the other room.
Marc:But yeah, so they were good.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And so when you're in high school, you're not, what are you doing just to fuck up?
Guest:What kind of cars did you have?
Guest:I had a 72 Chevy truck shore bed.
Guest:That was your first car?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Your dad got it?
Guest:My dad hooked me up.
Guest:It was a pretty beater.
Guest:We put a paint job on it.
Guest:Edelbrock intake and some mufflers and stuff.
Guest:It was cool.
Guest:Can you do car work?
Guest:I mean, I could do minimal.
Guest:I'm not taking out, I'm not doing a transmission or I'm not doing your thing, but I can do brakes or some stuff.
Guest:But, you know, newer cars are a lot harder to do because it's all computerized.
Guest:It's fucking crazy.
Guest:Well, they did it because they don't want you to be able to work on it, I think.
Marc:Well, yeah, and then you have to, you know, you have to go to them.
Marc:Mm-hmm.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All those dudes, like your dad, they're fucking out on the street unless you pull up in like an old fucking car.
Guest:Yeah, he's like, I need an electronic key for this.
Guest:I'm like, what?
Guest:I don't even understand.
Guest:What does that mean?
Guest:What does that mean?
Guest:So, yeah, so I was like a football guy, and then I started selling drugs pretty early.
Guest:Football?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What position at?
Guest:I was defensive end and fullback.
Guest:I was a lot bigger and meaner in high school.
Guest:And so you were a jock?
Guest:I was a jock.
Guest:Bad guy.
Marc:Oh, you were on the cusp.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You were the jock that could hang out with the freaks.
Guest:Yeah, I was definitely... So the real jocks were sort of like, I don't know about Fury.
Guest:Well, our football team was absolutely dog shit, so playing on it was almost...
Guest:Like I said, my area I grew up was so diverse, but a good football team doesn't have three Hmong kids on it.
Guest:You know what I mean?
Guest:Like, I'm just – there's nothing wrong with it.
Guest:They deserve to play, but they're little people.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So they're not like – so our team would get smashed.
Guest:So, like, the jocks wasn't really a thing.
Marc:So it was more of a kind of like a – you know, just some guys with something to do.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was definitely like –
Guest:Like we just need to do something and we need some friends.
Guest:So we did that one and then I started selling drugs for like the next while.
Marc:And in high school?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I pretty much like did football from like fifth grade till the end of high school.
Guest:And then towards the end of high school, I realized I wasn't very good at this.
Guest:So then I was like, well, let's try selling drugs for a little while.
Guest:Weed and Norcos.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Norcos?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What are those?
Guest:They're in between a Viking and a Percept.
Guest:Where'd you get those?
Guest:Russians?
Guest:So in the beginning, I would go, I had this guy I would buy them from.
Guest:It all went small.
Guest:You know, when I was a kid, I was just like, when I was 14 or 15, I just wanted to smoke weed.
Guest:I had no money.
Guest:But I knew one guy that I could buy like two bags for 10.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So one bag for 10.
Marc:Just to keep your own supply.
Guest:Yeah, keep my own supply.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then that went bigger and bigger until like, dude, I used to
Guest:take drugs over the border all the time.
Guest:To Mexico?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, not to Mexico.
Guest:That'd be crazy.
Guest:From?
Guest:From Mexico, yeah.
Marc:So you go down to the pharmacy?
Marc:Yep.
Marc:Buy them?
Marc:Buy them, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Holy shit.
Guest:I don't think you can manage that anymore.
Guest:No, it's a lot scarier now.
Guest:Back then, it was like a party, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You go there and... With a couple guys?
Guest:Yeah, you go there with a couple guys.
Guest:You hit a strip club.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then I remember the day it was not a party anymore.
Marc:But, like, so you could go... Where'd you... You'd go to a Mexican doctor and get a script?
Guest:So, like, when I first started going down...
Guest:I would go down, I'd get like a thousand pills and then I would sell those for like... Narcos.
Guest:Narcos.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I'd sell those for like, you know, two months during the summer and that's how I'd make my living in the summer.
Guest:So you go down and, you know, going into Mexico is not hard.
Guest:No.
Guest:It's just like a rotating thing.
Guest:It's like a ferry.
Guest:You just go in.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then you'll see the first round, you know, there's like people like selling, you know, there's the guy with a donkey painted like a zebra.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:There's the guys just painting pictures of Bob Marley on the ground.
Marc:And then there's the Chiclets guys.
Guest:The Chiclets kids, you know, you throw them a couple quarters to get them away from you.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:You look like fucking Mother Mary.
Marc:But you drive in or you walk over?
Marc:I would walk.
Marc:You park and walk?
Marc:I would always walk.
Marc:So to Juarez?
Marc:No, I walked Tijuana.
Marc:Tijuana.
Marc:Oh, yes.
Marc:TJ.
Marc:Juarez is down by Texas.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:So you would go down and, you know, the front layer of places, because the pharmacies back then, you could just go in and ask for anything you wanted.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And it was still real.
Guest:Now they'll still sell your fake pills and shit down there.
Marc:Everything's fentanyl.
Guest:Everything's fentanyl down there.
Guest:I got out right when that stuff started happening.
Marc:So you just walk in and just be like, thousand, take that?
Guest:Yep, and there's a doctor on one end, and he'd write you a prescription, and then you'd go to the other end of the pharmacy, the guy, he'd fill it up for you, and you'd have this thing.
Guest:That's it?
Guest:And then you'd walk across, and there was nothing.
Guest:I was 17, 18, until I was like 22, I did that.
Marc:Holy shit.
Marc:I knew a guy, old comic, he's dead now, he used to have to go down there to get his...
Marc:He liked those Tylenols with codeine.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Those are fun.
Marc:Those are actually legal in Canada still.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:You can just get them?
Marc:Tylenol threes, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, I stay away from it all.
Marc:Yeah, I don't do it anymore.
Marc:No, but so you go down there, and then you just come back up.
Marc:And then when did you know it was going bad?
Guest:oh man the last time i went everything was different because like like the colleges used to like san diego state university of san diego would have buses on the weekends that you could take into tijuana go get drunk and you get back on the bus you go back to normal was that to because they knew you were going to do it anyways and they they just were trying to help the kids not get drunk and yeah i think it was more of a fun place at the time tijuana tijuana was
Marc:Yeah, I know, but it was never clean fun.
Guest:No, it was like there was definitely... You were in the wilderness.
Guest:You could do whatever you want there.
Guest:But it was more acceptable to where... I haven't been in a while, but the last time I went was... That's when the cartel had really taken over and really was, you know... The pharmacies?
Guest:They'd taken over everything.
Guest:So the whole vibe was fucked up.
Guest:The last time I ever went up there, dude.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I go in there.
Guest:I go over the bridge, and you come down, and I swear to God, I was the only white dude in Tijuana.
Guest:That place was empty.
Guest:So everyone's looking at me, right?
Guest:Almost like I'm not supposed to be there.
Guest:You got the guy painting the Bob Marley pictures on the little felt black thing.
Guest:He's looking at me weird.
Guest:What are you doing?
Guest:The chick-a-clids are like, what the fuck's going on?
Guest:And I don't really know what's happening.
Guest:So in my head, I'm scared, but I'm like, okay, I got kind of the guy I always go to.
Guest:I go to my guy, and he's gone.
Guest:He's gone.
Guest:And so now I'm there, and this is the most money I ever had when I went down there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I had like 3,500 bucks in cash.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:In my pocket.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I used to dress like, try to be inconspicuous, but I have like seven jeans with like rainbow flip-flops and a pink polo.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:To try and look like.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like what?
Guest:A frack kid.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Just down there partying.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I'm walking around, and then this dude comes up to me.
Guest:He goes, hey, you want, you looking for pussy?
Guest:I was like, no, no, no, I'm looking for drugs.
Guest:And he goes, okay, I got one.
Guest:And then he says, follow me.
Guest:And this dude has L.A.
Guest:tattooed across his face.
Guest:Oh, gang?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:But I'm like, I'm here.
Guest:Might as well dance.
Guest:Okay, where are we going, bro?
Guest:You seem cool.
Guest:You're from at least L.A., I'm guessing.
Guest:We're kind of on a California thing.
Guest:Don't kill me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So he goes, follow me, man.
Guest:Oh, God damn it.
Guest:And he follows and he goes and he takes a turn down this little alley.
Yeah.
Guest:And this alley's pretty scary.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I'm walking down.
Guest:In your pink shirt.
Guest:I'm in a pink shirt.
Guest:Like the bell-bottom seven jeans.
Guest:Like just a mark.
Guest:Like someone who needed to get robbed.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I go down there.
Guest:I'm walking by this place.
Guest:And there's like these weird gambling dens.
Guest:And then we get to this door.
Guest:It's blacked out.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:It's like deer hunter.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's like deer.
Guest:It's like a Mexican deer hunter.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We get to this door.
Guest:And it's blacked out.
Guest:And he goes, it's upstairs.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He stands right behind me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's never good.
Guest:And do you knew you were going to get robbed?
Guest:Well, I didn't know what was going to happen.
Guest:I knew something wasn't good.
Guest:When I'm looking up this thing, I'm like, I'm in Tijuana.
Guest:We got LA face behind me.
Guest:No one knows I'm here because I'm dealing drugs.
Guest:I don't want anyone to know here.
Guest:This might be it.
Guest:I'm going to die here.
Guest:And I go, fuck it.
Marc:That was when it sunk in.
Marc:But I imagine in the process of once he's like, we just got to go down here.
Marc:You're like, fuck it.
Guest:I was excited because I was like, oh, my guy's not there.
Guest:We got my guy.
Guest:Then he's taking me down this alley.
Guest:And then right before I look up, I look around and no one's like, everyone's like verting their eyes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm like, oh, this is it.
Guest:Because of that guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm like, this is it.
Guest:So I go up there and it turns out to be a very small, shady strip club.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But like, you ever been to like a Texas roadhouse where they eat peanuts and they throw them on the ground?
Marc:Well, yeah, I've been into peanut places.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But the shells are everywhere.
Guest:Well, the shells are.
Guest:So this is a strip club that was like barn themed.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:So there was like... Mexican barn thing?
Guest:Like a Mexican barn.
Guest:So there's peanuts on the ground.
Guest:There's a woman dancing in a pin.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:A pen.
Marc:A pen.
Marc:Like that's part of the barn thing?
Marc:Like she's an animal?
Guest:I don't know if they wanted it to be that way or they were just – that was the only way to keep these creeps off of her.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like a honky-tonk in, like, Texas, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So then he goes, sit down right here, and he puts these two dudes next to me.
Guest:And they're like – they sit right next to me.
Guest:And he goes, give me your money.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:And then he brings me a six-pack of tiny Kronas.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He puts them on my feet.
Guest:And he goes to this girl.
Guest:This girl gets on this pool table in front of me, and this chick is –
Guest:Haggard, man.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And she's, like, dancing naked in front of me.
Guest:I got two Mexican dudes on a tiny couch right next to me.
Guest:Little Coronas.
Guest:Little mini Coronas.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the guy goes, give me the money.
Guest:And I give him the money.
Guest:$3,500.
Guest:$3,500.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Back in, like, 2009.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:A lot more than even now.
Guest:He leaves, and then I'm there.
Guest:And then it's like 10 minutes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:20 minutes.
Guest:35 minutes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Hour and a half.
Guest:This woman's dancing.
Guest:I have no money.
Guest:I just gave him all my money.
Guest:The six mini Coronas did not last.
Guest:You know?
Guest:That's like three beers and a half.
Guest:I'm sweating.
Guest:These dudes are sitting next to me.
Guest:They're still sitting there.
Guest:They're sitting there.
Guest:And then the dude comes back.
Guest:Get out of here.
Guest:And he comes back with a bag of pills this big.
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:And so he goes, here you go.
Guest:And he kicks me out.
Guest:And now I'm in Tijuana with a bag of pills the size of a basketball.
Guest:And so I'm like, what do I do with this?
Guest:I can't, like, put this in my pockets.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So what I do is I sit on it, try to make it flat.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I put it on my back.
Guest:You're going to make a belt out of hash?
Guest:I'm going to try and see what we can do here and get across.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I got the thing on my back.
Yeah.
Guest:I'm walking across and I go, it's a little too suspicious.
Guest:So then I see that little dude painting the Bob Marley pictures.
Guest:I go, okay, I'm going to get two Bob Marley pictures.
Guest:And I'll hold them on both of my sides so you can't really see the back.
Guest:And then I'll go across the thing.
Guest:So I buy two of them.
Guest:And if you've ever walked across Mexico back then, you kind of take this loop and then you get around and there's a line of like 250 people.
Guest:All Mexican.
Guest:Waiting to get across?
Guest:Waiting to get across.
Guest:So I'm like a foot and a half taller than everybody in a pink polo with two Bob Marley things.
Guest:Next to like everyone is like 5'2", straight from Mexico.
Guest:They're probably working a day labor job over there or vacationing, whatever.
Guest:So I'm going.
Guest:Right when I'm out, I'm about 50 people up.
Guest:I'm seeing the border agents and they're pointing at me and they're whispering.
Guest:So you're sweating?
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:Well, because it was like, do I sprint into Tijuana with flip-flops on, or am I going to prison in Mexico?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Then the guy pointed at me and goes, come up here.
Guest:I'm walking up.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he goes, why are you here?
Guest:I was like, I was partying.
Guest:I wanted to party.
Guest:He goes, by yourself?
Guest:And I go, well, I also just moved, and I wanted some art.
Yeah.
Guest:And he goes, so you bought the same Bob Marley picture twice?
Guest:I go, I have two bathrooms.
Guest:I swear to God, this is true.
Guest:And he goes, okay.
Guest:And he looked me up and down, and he let me through.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:And that was the last time I ever did that.
Guest:But what were the pills?
Guest:Norcos.
Guest:They really were?
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:They were all real.
Guest:The guy actually hooked me up pretty good.
Guest:Nobody dropped dead?
Guest:Well, this was before that.
Guest:Before fentanyl.
Guest:Yeah, I got out before that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's crazy.
Guest:Yeah, that was crazy.
Guest:And I never did that again.
Guest:And then slowly, once I realized I wasn't great at football, I sold drugs.
Guest:And then once I realized I wasn't great at selling drugs, I was better at stand-up.
Guest:I stopped doing that.
Marc:But was that the scariest drug situation?
Marc:No.
Guest:I did a bunch.
Guest:I robbed a gunpoint one time.
Guest:I had this one, dude.
Guest:I had this one thing that set off a thing of events in my life.
Guest:So my buddy works at Le Cordon Bleu.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:What's that?
Guest:It's like how you learn to be in a restaurant.
Guest:Oh, it's not even a cooking school?
Guest:It's a cooking school.
Guest:Okay, and that's in SAC.
Guest:One of them, yeah.
Guest:They're all over.
Guest:That's a good one, right?
Guest:Yeah, you know, you get into that, then you get like a small job and you can move your way up.
Marc:Yeah, and then you manage the restaurant and the hotel.
Marc:Yeah, or you just fucking...
Guest:do blow and flip pancakes and try and bang the hostess.
Guest:You kind of got two ways on that one.
Marc:I'm not sure which way you want.
Marc:It's up to you and your ambition.
Guest:After you get out.
Guest:How far you want to take this, buddy?
Marc:You want the easy path?
Marc:Man, when I worked in restaurants, restaurant managers, oh my God, it's like comedy club owners.
Marc:You're just up against this.
Marc:God, the guys who did blow at the restaurant.
Guest:Oh my God.
Guest:It was always the cooks when I would.
Guest:Oh, cooks are nuts.
Guest:Yeah, they're the craziest.
Marc:yeah i had one manager when i worked at it when i was a grow cook at a place you know i don't know it's after college or like i don't know in college for five fucking years but it was just like you know just that doing you know like when you work at a restaurant you got to do a breakfast shift and you fucking do blow the night before and you get there and you know you're just hoping that the fucking manager is gonna give you something to get through the water the road
Guest:It's not water back here.
Guest:It's hot.
Guest:The rush of eggs.
Guest:Oh, did you ever do that?
Guest:No, I never worked in a restaurant.
Guest:All right, so what happened?
Guest:So this guy from La Cordon Bleu.
Guest:Oh, yeah, he was like my best friend at the time.
Guest:He goes, hey, I got a buddy of mine who wants to buy three pounds of weed.
Guest:I go, okay, because I had the guy.
Marc:You had a real guy.
Marc:I had a real guy.
Marc:A three-pound guy, that's bordering on dangerous.
Guest:No, he was dangerous.
Guest:It wasn't a border.
Guest:He was a dangerous guy, but he was my friend.
Guest:The guy with the weed.
Guest:With the weed.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so I go, okay, I'm going to need this fronted to me though.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Which means someone gives you it and you pay them.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:I get it.
Guest:I know what that means.
Guest:No, I wasn't born last night.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh yeah.
Marc:A couple of people listening.
Marc:Fronting means they give it to you and you owe them the money.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:So I go, okay, yeah, no problem.
Guest:At this time, I was doing a lot of stuff like that.
Guest:So I go, yes, we get it.
Guest:And then we go, we're going to have to go to Stockton, first red flag.
Guest:Stockton, California.
Marc:That's like cowboy town, right?
Marc:What is Stockton?
Marc:I remember there was a gig there when I lived in San Francisco.
Guest:Yeah, there's a couple gigs there.
Guest:I mean, Stockton, the city went bankrupt.
Guest:The mayor got caught selling guns to gangs.
Guest:So it's kind of a rough place, but I like, you know, whatever.
Guest:You don't want to tell drugs there, for sure.
Guest:So we go down, and my buddy's talking to the guy.
Guest:The guy's saying, you know, I'll be right out.
Guest:I'm babysitting right now.
Guest:Which buddy?
Guest:The Court on Blue guy?
Guest:The Court on Blue.
Guest:You're going to...
Guest:I'm going down to Stockton with La Cordon Bleu.
Guest:You've got the weed.
Guest:I've got the weed.
Guest:La Cordon Bleu has the guy we're going to sell it to.
Guest:We're pretty good friends.
Guest:We're friends for like 10 years.
Guest:He wasn't going to rob me anymore.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:So he goes, okay, we're going to Stockton.
Guest:The guy seems good.
Guest:He's texting his hand.
Guest:Bart babysitting.
Guest:I'm going to run out real quick by it and get it.
Guest:We go, okay.
Guest:So we pull up to this dead end, two bushes on each side, and there's kind of a hill, and the guy's on top of the hill.
Guest:So we go, okay.
Okay.
Guest:And we go, okay.
Guest:We didn't think, why is he on top of a hill?
Marc:It's like a Western.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So we unlock it.
Guest:And the second we unlock it, I get a gun to the side of my head.
Guest:And my buddy does too.
Guest:The car.
Guest:Unlock the car.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We unlock the car.
Guest:We open the doors.
Guest:The two bushes, guys are hanging out in the bushes.
Guest:So we had two pistols to the side of our head.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the guy, all they say is, you know what time it is.
Guest:I was like, I know exactly what time it is, sir.
Guest:You can have anything you would like.
Guest:It's a free-for-all, sir.
Guest:It's whatever you want.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Take the car.
Guest:Take the car.
Guest:Yeah, you can have my buddy if you want.
Guest:La Cordon Bleu, he cooks pretty well.
Guest:You want some eggs?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Let him work after 10.
Guest:He'll be fine.
Guest:So then we had to give him the weed.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And with that situation, there's no recourse.
Marc:It's not like you're not going to go back and get him.
Guest:The guy got rid of his phone.
Guest:The phone was a burner.
Yeah.
Guest:There's nothing I could have done.
Marc:So they take the weed.
Guest:And we're driving back, and we're like, this is a bummer.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And then I get the call.
Guest:From the guy?
Guest:I fronted.
Guest:Oh, all right.
Guest:The guy that fronted me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Where is this?
Guest:So you guys come back to my house?
Guest:How much is it?
Guest:It was like, at this time, he was selling pretty big.
Guest:So like 15 a pound.
Guest:So it was like 15.
Guest:4,500 bucks.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So you're fucking behind the eight ball.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:A few eight bucks.
Guest:For drug money.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:For 4,500 on this guy.
Guest:And then he goes, okay.
Guest:He told him what happened?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He goes, okay.
Guest:And he hangs up on me.
Guest:No, he said, okay, I don't believe you.
Guest:And then he hung up.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And this guy knows everything about me.
Guest:He knows where my parents live.
Guest:He knows everything.
Guest:So like, starting to freak out.
Guest:That's when it happened?
Guest:Yeah, because the one thing I was like, oh, at least we got out of that.
Guest:And then it was like, I should have got shot.
Guest:It would have been better to get shot in the head at that time.
Guest:Because I don't know how this happened.
Guest:Because I don't know how I'm going to get $4,500 this guy.
Guest:And so we go back.
Guest:I got to meet him.
Guest:And it's pretty scary.
Guest:He was pretty scary.
Guest:His name was Box.
Guest:He passed away.
Guest:He was cool if you knew him.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:But he was pretty terrifying.
Guest:He was like 6'8", dude.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But he was independent.
Guest:He wasn't a gang guy.
Guest:He had his own group of guys that did a lot of robbing drug dealers.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I go, okay.
Guest:He gets there.
Guest:He goes, I don't.
Guest:We talked for long enough.
Guest:And he goes, I believe.
Guest:He goes, well, you owe me a lot of money.
Guest:So you're going to have to work a lot for me.
Guest:Oh, shit.
Guest:So then I had to start doing these crazy fucking jobs, dude.
Guest:Did you kill a couple guys?
Marc:No.
Marc:I shocked a dude with a fucking thing.
Guest:He didn't pass out.
Guest:So he brought you in as a heavy?
Guest:He brought me.
Guest:I had to do two big ass.
Guest:Well, I had to find some drug dealers for him to rob.
Guest:And then I had, keep in mind, this is statute of limitations long ago.
Guest:It's a very long time ago.
Guest:I haven't done any of this stuff for 10 plus years.
Guest:So I had to find some jog dealers for him to rob.
Guest:I had to drive him to those places.
Guest:And then I had to do two jobs for him.
Guest:And one of them was, he goes, this guy's going to walk past.
Guest:It was an outdoor...
Guest:I can't remember.
Guest:I can't remember.
Guest:I did all this shit.
Guest:Such a different human being.
Guest:I'm sorry to bring it up.
Guest:No, it's cool.
Guest:I haven't really thought about it in a long time.
Guest:So he goes, you owe me this money.
Guest:You got to do this one job.
Guest:He goes, this guy, it's essential.
Guest:You know, like an outdoor apartment where there's no roofs and stuff, and it's like a park almost a little bit.
Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Like, yeah, there's balconies.
Guest:Balconies and stuff like that, and there's, like, stairs that go down, like...
Guest:So I'm at the stairs that go down.
Guest:He goes, sit on these stairs, and there'll be a T of a sidewalk.
Guest:He goes, there's a guy who's going to walk past you with a duffel bag.
Guest:It'll look like a Louis Vuitton duffel bag.
Guest:He goes, take this thing, and he gives me a police-grade stun gun.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's like, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah.
Guest:He's doing that right next to me, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah.
Guest:And he goes, when the guy walks past you, just tag him.
Guest:and run straight.
Guest:With the bag.
Guest:You don't have to get the bag.
Guest:When he goes back, tag him in the back and beeline, because it's a T, straight, and we'll pick you up.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he goes, we'll knock a thousand bucks off.
Okay.
Marc:Was it just teaching a guy a lesson?
Guest:So this is what happens.
Guest:So the guy's walking by with the bag.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He walks by.
Guest:I get him.
Guest:And I freeze.
Guest:He falls to the ground.
Guest:Then he had another guy running.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I go, this guy's going to kill me.
Guest:This was his bodyguard.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My buddy had another guy working for him who picked up the bag and ran that way.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:And then I ran first straight.
Marc:So the other guy was your guy's guy?
Guest:Yeah, I guess he was on our guy.
Guest:I just had no idea.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So then he did that one, and then I had to do one more job where I had to take this weed to Kansas, University of Kansas.
Guest:You drove to Kansas?
Guest:He was going to drive.
Guest:He was going to send it because you can mail it kind of easily.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then I would sell it to a guy.
Guest:This was the craziest one.
Guest:This one was— Wait, so you had to go to Kansas?
Guest:I went to Kansas.
Guest:I knew a girl out there went to University of Kansas.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I was like, you know, I was like, okay, this kind of works.
Guest:I'll go out there, try to bang that girl from high school, sell some weed in Kansas.
Guest:This is going to be pretty fun.
Guest:You had the adventurous spirit.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was like, this is like teens, like late teens, early twenties.
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:So I'm like, okay, let's do this.
Guest:So I go out there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the guy goes, okay, the weed's coming.
Guest:And he goes, meet the drug dealer.
Guest:So I go meet this one.
Guest:It was crazy.
Guest:So I meet the drug dealer.
Guest:And he's like this real crunchy, hippie kind of guy.
Guest:And he shows me this paddy paper.
Guest:He goes, come over tomorrow.
Guest:He's talking real slow.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He goes, come over tomorrow.
Guest:And I got, he pulls this pad of paper and it says like, Stinky owes $7.50, Chucky owes this.
Guest:He goes, I'm going to get all the money tonight.
Guest:He's like, going real slow.
Guest:He's like, and then tomorrow I'll buy it all from you.
Guest:And I'm like, okay, it's cool.
Guest:You know, there's no, this guy's not scary.
Guest:He's probably not going to have a gun on me.
Guest:I'm going to be able to do this thing.
Guest:He goes, okay, I'm going to go to sleep.
Guest:I'm like, okay.
Guest:He's like, you can hang out and party if you want.
Guest:I'm like, no, I don't know.
Guest:You're at his house?
Guest:I'm at his house.
Guest:It's a shitty little apartment.
Guest:So I see him, he gets up, he walks to the bed, and he falls face fat on his bed.
Guest:He goes to sleep on the bed.
Guest:I'm like, okay.
Guest:I'm like, I don't want to be here with these weird people.
Guest:There was more than one?
Guest:Yeah, there was like a party of like gross hippies.
Guest:The type of druggie hippie guy.
Guest:Criminal hippies.
Guest:So I'm like, okay, I'm going to go home.
Guest:I go to that girl's house.
Guest:That night's fun.
Guest:I wake up and I have all these missing texts.
Guest:That dude OD'd on Oxycontin that night and died.
Guest:So now, the weed comes.
Guest:I'm stuck in Kansas.
Guest:So wait, how'd you find out he died?
Guest:Because I was supposed to meet him that day, and I was a friend of a friend to get me him, and I had all these missing texts and calls from her.
Guest:This girl was making this up.
Guest:She goes, hey, he OD'd an ox con last night.
Marc:He's dead.
Marc:So when he fell on the bed, that was it?
Guest:I was like the last one last time I ever see him.
Guest:And then now I was stuck in Kansas.
Guest:With the weed?
Guest:With the weed.
Guest:And you drove out there?
Guest:No.
Guest:He sent it in a box.
Marc:Okay.
Okay.
Guest:So then now I'm behind the eight ball again.
Guest:That one was gnarly because being in a little town like that, there's not that many drug dealers.
Marc:What town?
Guest:Lawrence.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:The college.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:I know that college.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But I was able to get out of it.
Guest:So what'd you do with the weed?
Guest:The problem was all the drug dealers all knew each other and they knew I couldn't, I'm not going to fly home with three pounds of weed.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So the amount of money I was getting before got cut by like three quarters.
Guest:So you just had to divvy it up?
Guest:I had to fire sale it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But then I'm already fire selling stuff that I'm fire selling because I owed the scary guy stuff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:so so what happened how did it resolve itself ultimately did you work off the 45 I worked off the 45 I had to leave Kansas and then he went out there to go deal with it all the guy yeah the box box yeah he went out there dealt with all then I got out of it and then I was like I don't think this is for me anymore
Marc:But isn't there that moment like even I never I never dealt drugs, but there there is a moment where you clearly had a couple of them where you're living that life and you realize like it's not it doesn't have to be drugs that kill you.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Somebody else.
Marc:You're going to be in a situation where you're going to go down.
Marc:Well, it's also just like I to the end of that one.
Guest:I had started doing stand up.
Guest:Where at?
Guest:In Sac?
Guest:Yeah, in Sacramento.
Guest:What made you do that?
Guest:That's all I ever wanted to do since I was a child.
Guest:But what made you realize you could?
Guest:21 was the open mic.
Guest:You had to be 21 to get into the club.
Guest:At Sac?
Guest:At Sacramento?
Guest:The Punchline one was really hard to get on at the time.
Guest:I remember when I first started, I was like, if I could just do the open mic at Punchline Sac, that's all I ever wanted.
Marc:And it was up next to the mattress store in the mall.
Guest:So I did that once and I started to get okay enough to where I'm hosting the local clubs in California.
Guest:And then I go, you know, one, I don't want to be known as a drug dealer anymore.
Marc:Do people know in comedy that you were a drug dealer?
Guest:A little bit.
Guest:It definitely faded out.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But, you know, I was never like a guy selling drugs on the street.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I had, like, clientele.
Guest:But were you hooking up comics?
Guest:Yeah, in the beginning.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Because my weed, I bought so much, I could get it for so cheap.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And then the pills started getting fake, and I was just like, I don't want to do this anymore.
Guest:And then kind of just did stand-up nonstop for the next.
Guest:And SAC.
Guest:SAC.
Marc:So who were they?
Marc:Are there guys I know that were part of that scene?
Yeah.
Guest:Well, I mean, there's some pretty good guys.
Guest:There's a guy named Anthony de Guzman Jr.
Guest:or J.R.
Guest:de Guzman.
Guest:He does theaters.
Guest:He's like a Filipino comic.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Music comedy.
Guest:We have a guy named Kairi Chabat.
Guest:Actually, NBC's Stand Up for Diversity.
Guest:It's like a thing they do across the country.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:For diverse comics.
Guest:Right.
Guest:We had four winners in a year.
Guest:In Sac.
Guest:From Sacramento.
Guest:We had Mikey Winfield, J.R.
Guest:DeGuzman, Kyrie Shabazz, and one more guy.
Guest:I forgot his name.
Marc:So none of them made it down here.
Marc:Were you doing road gigs yet?
Marc:Yeah, I did these things called triple runs.
Marc:Triple runs.
Marc:Yeah, see, I missed the triple runs.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:That was the real sad thing.
Guest:real sad road dog shit so when you got like what 40 minutes yeah 40 minutes you're going like okay we're gonna you gotta do an hour yeah oh dude i got 20 minutes i'm supposed to do an hour where were the triple runs oh that was the worst part it was like you'll go to like eugene oregon then you're gonna go to idaho then you're gonna go to nebraska you're gonna come down to nevada and then you'll go back
Guest:So by the time you went through the rental car, the gas, you're coming home with like 300 bucks.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The most insane thing you've ever done.
Marc:Is Tribble still around?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I know his gigs.
Guest:I don't know if his gigs are.
Guest:I did it like twice and I was like, this is not for me.
Guest:So what?
Guest:So you'd fly into where?
Guest:No, you drive, dog.
Guest:The money wasn't flyable.
Guest:Right.
Guest:There's no flying.
Guest:So you drive from Sac to Oregon to Idaho.
Guest:And what were the rooms?
Guest:like a shit biker bar yeah so he was making like 1500 and he'd give you like 300 bucks oh my god i mean i used to do that shit in boston well yeah it's exactly like that stuff you know just like you know you just don't know where you're going and then you show up and you're like where's where's the where do i stand yeah like in the corner well in the corner oh and it's just you no light yeah you got though in the and then sometimes he would send you with the equipment
Guest:so you so there's no stage you're in the corner you got a guitar amp you got a guitar you got like the just the one thing with the microphone to it bombing because you're terrible yeah oh that was scarier than the drug shit to be honest but there was not two guys on the show
Guest:Yeah, you would bring your own host or feature.
Guest:And that was the kind of level of comedy where you would just screw over your host and feature.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:Like, yeah, we'll get you 50 bucks a show, but we'll have to drive your car, and we'll split gas.
Guest:So the guy would come home with nothing, and he quits comedy a week later because he realizes it's a fucking racket.
Guest:But that's where you cut your teeth?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Two triple runs, and that was it.
Guest:And I was done.
Guest:I've been a guy who's always kind of like, okay, I'll do my own thing.
Guest:I'll find a way to do my own thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so I was just like, okay, I'll just run my own shows.
Guest:I'll just be a club guy.
Guest:So then I worked on getting in the SF punchline.
Guest:How far?
Guest:I can't remember.
Guest:What's that drive?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Hour 45?
Marc:Hour and a half?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Because, yeah, I remember, like, so you were going up to San Fran to do that shit?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:What was left there?
Marc:Was it Molly at the punchline?
Marc:Molly, yep.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Molly was there.
Marc:She passed me a couple times.
Marc:Oh, that's good, man.
Guest:Yeah, I get that.
Marc:I mean, that room, like, it's so weird in San Francisco.
Marc:Like, the vibe in San Francisco is so weird.
Marc:But I guess it was still a community then.
Marc:What's that, 10 years ago?
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, this closing in 13, 14 years ago.
Marc:It was still okay.
Marc:It was still okay.
Marc:Like Moshe Kasher was around?
Guest:Moshe had just left.
Guest:Ali Wong wasn't there.
Guest:That generation of guys had left.
Marc:Yeah, she featured for me at the Punchline.
Marc:I thought she was hilarious.
Marc:Yeah, she was great.
Marc:Even back then, man, she had this fucking edge.
Marc:She's like, go fuck yourself.
Marc:Good stories.
Guest:She was always good.
Guest:Who else was up there?
Guest:Man, I don't know.
Guest:It kind of was like a drought when I got there.
Guest:There was an opening for the next people.
Guest:I know.
Marc:That's what happened when I got there.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What year?
Marc:It was me, Patton, Blaine.
Marc:We all showed up after that whole generation and left for L.A.
Marc:Like the originals and maybe the ones.
Marc:What year was that, dude?
Marc:Like Carvey and them?
Marc:93.
Marc:They were long gone, but there was another generation of comics like Proops and Dana Gould and people who were the second round.
Marc:But it was just everyone had gone.
Marc:And we showed up, and they were like, oh, my God.
Marc:New Blood.
Marc:Did you do that competition?
Guest:No, I did not.
Guest:Because at that time...
Guest:the people who are winning it, I didn't really need to be associated with.
Guest:You know, like, it went to a place where it was like Stanhope and Dane and Ellen DeGeneres and Sinbad.
Marc:Yeah, I came in second in 98.
Marc:Fuck.
Marc:Two?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Something like that, 93?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Carlos Salazaraki came in first.
Marc:I did it twice, because I was out there for a couple years, and then I was going back and forth to New York, but it still felt like a thing.
Marc:There was like 40 dudes, and there was all these venues.
Marc:Would you have to drive around all of Northern California?
Marc:Yeah, because you were working up to the finals or whatever, and you never understood the scoring, but there was...
Marc:You did all the punchlines.
Marc:You did roosters.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:There was a winery gig.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, then there was some, you know, it was like, it was crazy.
Guest:Yeah, the gigs were not that good.
Guest:See, they went down.
Guest:So you would do like a bar in like Sunnyvale.
Guest:Yeah, I remember that.
Guest:Then you go to Chico and do an old people's home.
Marc:The Something Saloon?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:In Sunnyvale?
Guest:One of them.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I don't think that was...
Marc:Oh, no, no.
Marc:Roosters was in Sunnyvale.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, yeah, Roosters.
Marc:I like Roosters.
Marc:Oh, well.
Marc:Roosters is good.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Good sound system, I think.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I think they got a good one.
Marc:They set up well.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:They got the back patio.
Marc:Just the name.
Marc:Yeah, Rooster Teeth.
Marc:And that guy who owned it, I don't think he owns it anymore.
Guest:No.
Guest:That guy Tony?
Guest:A woman named Heather.
Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:I haven't been up there in a long time.
Marc:Well, if you work Punch, I don't know if you can work that one.
Marc:Well, I don't know.
Marc:Like, I haven't done the Punch in forever either.
Marc:But it was so important, man.
Marc:And then the original Cobbs.
Marc:It was so important.
Marc:The second Cobbs.
Marc:Down the cannery.
Guest:That was great.
Guest:I never did the first one.
Guest:That was before me.
Guest:I'm the one, the one that's still in now has been the one I've been in.
Guest:The big one?
Guest:The big ass one.
Guest:It's the worst.
Guest:It's not great if there's not 300 people there.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But the original one was a sweet little room right down the cannery.
Marc:It was sweet.
Marc:And then it burned down.
Marc:And Tom Sawyer, the guy who ran it, he was kind of nuts.
Guest:Yeah, I hear stories about that.
Guest:It was dope.
Guest:But I was.
Marc:Yeah, but that was the second one.
Marc:Oh, the first one was even better?
Marc:Well, I don't know.
Marc:Who the fuck knows?
Marc:It was already gone.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:I was there to see the Holy City Zoo go away.
Marc:You saw it?
Marc:You got to see that place?
Marc:I worked there, yeah, a couple times.
Marc:It was still around.
Marc:It seemed like four people.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Just got romanticized to be something a little bigger than it was.
Marc:Well, I think it was like a great little place, but it was tiny as fuck.
Marc:And yeah, by the time I got there, it was just everything was on fumes, man.
Marc:And the first year I did the festival, Johnny Steele won.
Guest:I don't even know what that guy does.
Guest:They're still up there.
Guest:You ever do the Throckmorton?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:When I was at the Throckmorton, it was like Mort Saul was hanging out in the dressing room.
Marc:He never liked me.
Marc:I don't even know why.
Marc:He just knew he didn't like me.
Marc:Robin was around.
Marc:Robin Williams would come.
Marc:Dana Carvey would come.
Marc:It was pretty cool.
Marc:I remember one night I was working there, and I got up there, and I had the wrong weekend.
Marc:Like, you know, I thought I was headlining, but they had booked some other guy, and now that guy's mad at me.
Marc:And I'm headlining up there, and Robin's there one night.
Marc:And I'm doing all right, but every time a joke, he's up in the balcony, no one knows he's there.
Marc:And every time a joke bombed, I just hear him go, ooh.
Marc:Ha ha ha!
Guest:Yeah, you could do it, because they'd be right up at the top, because that normally wouldn't sell that much.
Marc:And I just knew that if I addressed him, he would be on stage within 40 seconds.
Marc:And then I'd be in some sort of improv spiral with Robin, and my whole set would be garbage.
Marc:They always paid good, though.
Marc:No, it was a nice gig.
Marc:Yeah, it was a good gig.
Marc:Still a good gig.
Guest:It is still?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You can go up there still?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I think they do Tuesday nights at the Throckmorton.
Guest:So when do you move down here?
Guest:I moved...
Guest:I had a crazy story to move down here.
Guest:I was dating a girl.
Guest:But you moved.
Guest:You got an hour, right?
Guest:Did I have an hour when I moved here?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:No, it was like a feature.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:So you moved down here and you were still going back up there to work?
Marc:Yes, all the time.
Marc:That's right.
Guest:Which was a nice thing here because I could never imagine starting comedy in Los Angeles.
Marc:Well, that's what I did when I moved to New York.
Marc:Every weekend, I have to go do the one-nighters to make the living.
Guest:Or get a spot that wasn't some terrible open mic.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So when I came down, I came down.
Guest:I was dating a girl down here, and she was kind of in at the comedy show.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So then I came down.
Guest:Is she still around?
Guest:Yeah, she's doing some stuff.
Guest:I don't want to see her anymore.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Kind of went our own ways.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Wish her the best.
Yeah.
Guest:Went to the Comedy Store, and I'd never been there, so I was freaking out.
Guest:And I was able to get on Potluck.
Marc:It's kind of a wild thing to come upon that place the first time.
Marc:You know what's amazing about it now from when I got there?
Marc:Like, when I got there in the 80s, it was crazy.
Marc:It was crazy because it was the time of Dice and Sam.
Marc:So both of those guys broke within a year of each other.
Marc:So when I was a doorman at the store, Sam was rising.
Marc:Kennison was rising, and he owned that place.
Marc:That place is very susceptible to big egos.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:But it was still like that.
Guest:The biggest comics, it's almost like a pyramid scheme.
Guest:The biggest comics personality will...
Guest:feed her down the whole level of the place.
Marc:And that's what's so good about it now.
Marc:There aren't any.
Guest:There aren't anybody, yeah.
Guest:It's definitely the nicest, most welcoming the place has ever been.
Guest:Emily's fucking great.
Guest:Yeah, I think so too.
Marc:And like all of a sudden you got acts that aren't like, you know, weirdos.
Marc:Like you get, like the diversity of acts now is better than I've ever seen it since Mitzi fucking ran the place.
Marc:For sure.
Marc:And it's like and it's all sort of what's the word I want?
Marc:Egalitarian.
Marc:Like, you know, all these people that were sort of had the goods, but we're just marginalized are all now the guys and they can do the job.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Anyway.
Marc:But when I got there, it was crazy because Monday night was like no cover night.
Guest:I think it was that that was the same that until the pandemic was still free.
Marc:It was nuts.
Marc:Because Kenison, that was his night.
Marc:So all the fucking, the entire world of how we would rock and roll drugs and porn would just converge on the place.
Guest:I heard at like midnight too.
Guest:Normal people would come, everyone would leave, Kenison would do that late night spot, and then it'd fill up with... It was crazy.
Guest:Crazy.
Guest:And I was living up in Crest Hill.
Marc:Crazy.
Marc:But I told those stories before.
Guest:Those stories are the...
Guest:or a large reason I came to the comedy store.
Guest:When your podcast first started going, you and Joe, and you both romanticized the comedy store to an end of where I was like, this is all I want to do.
Guest:And being a door guy.
Guest:You both loved being a door guy.
Guest:Was Joe a door guy?
Guest:No, he was a door guy.
Guest:But he definitely treated door guys really well.
Marc:No, yeah, a lot of people say good things about Joe, and the most recent manifestation of Joe is harder for me to deal with, but as a guy who loved the place and certainly built it up, he's definitely a part of it, of mythologizing it, because everyone thought that when all those guys fucking left to Austin to build their own Hollywood...
Marc:They thought it would suck the juice out of the place.
Marc:But the place in and of itself now is a destination.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Because people, they don't know who they're going to see.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And it's still pretty exciting.
Marc:Because, you know, Burr will come by.
Marc:Spade will come by.
Marc:You don't know who the fuck's going to show up.
Marc:Rock.
Marc:It's still, it's back on top.
Guest:It's definitely the best club in LA by far.
Guest:And I still love the improv and stuff like that too, but I hardly ever worked there, but it's the best.
Marc:I think it's really the most, it's the only one that's, it's, it's an original place and it's still like it was.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All they did was fix things that really needed to be fixed.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like plumbing and having a bathroom, having the bathroom, like those two single occupancy bathrooms with the pay phone in the middle.
Marc:Like when you did blow, those were the fucking, that was the best place.
Guest:But the problem is you'd see a guy go in there with a girl, and then the door would be locked for 25 minutes.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:And that was the only place you'd go to the bathroom.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:There was no other place.
Guest:Well, you could go upstairs.
Marc:Upstairs, yeah.
Marc:By the office.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But that's all locked up now.
Guest:The one by the office, you could still get through through the belly room, and that's the only one if I have to poop.
Guest:That's the one I'll poop in.
Marc:Wait, but the one in the belly room?
Guest:No, that one's terrible.
Marc:Right, but you can't get into the office now because there's a door there.
Guest:You can go up the stairs.
Guest:Oh, the back stairs.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:It's where the managers go to the bathroom.
Marc:Yeah, that's where they can poop?
Guest:Yeah, and you can kind of go up there.
Marc:That's the pooping one.
Marc:If I got to go, I'll fucking poop in the hallway one.
Guest:Oh, that one's crazy.
Guest:I'll do the one in the main room, the handicap one in the main room.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That one's all right.
Guest:Or back in the day when it was those two little ones, just go to the Onda's.
Guest:Onda's is fancy.
Marc:Oh, that's nice.
Marc:Yeah, I've done that before.
Marc:Sure, if you really got to go.
Guest:Yeah, if you got some time on your hands, you're like, Argus is going to do 45 minutes.
Guest:I got time.
Guest:He's opening with 45 on OJ.
Guest:I don't know how this shit's going to go, so I don't want to...
Guest:Be stuck in that.
Guest:I need to stretch you out.
Guest:I need a high-quality toilet paper.
Guest:I'm going to hit you on us.
Marc:And the main room bathroom, you don't even want to go in there.
Marc:You can piss in there, but you're not.
Guest:That one gets turfed by, like.
Marc:I don't know how that happens.
Marc:People just start pissing everywhere.
Marc:It's just the wildest thing.
Marc:I don't know why people behave the way they do.
Marc:I mean, you know, maybe a couple drops.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Jesus Christ.
Marc:Towards the end, I'm like, are you even in the bathroom when you're pissing?
Marc:I get that thing on planes, too.
Marc:It's like, why do fucking people become animals on planes?
Marc:It's like, what the fuck is happening?
Marc:Who's doing this?
Guest:Well, it just shows you that one person will, no matter what happens and how much we want to be like, you know, we're all here for each other.
Guest:One guy will fuck it up for everybody.
Marc:Oh, yeah, always.
Marc:So, okay, so what happens?
Marc:So you get down there the first night, you see it, and you're like, this is it?
Guest:First night, I'm there, and then I go, I get up at the potluck, but I'm like, you know, the potluck one, if you're like the first two or three guys, I just remember when I was working there, like, you know, that line, dude.
Marc:There'd be a guy, like, you know, dressed in a garbage bag.
Marc:They're a chef hat.
Marc:You know, guys with, you know, juggling balls.
Guest:You're like, what the fuck is that?
Guest:What is this, like, a wrestling thing?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, a lot of those guys went with the Kill Tony people into Austin, for sure, because the line's a little less weird now.
Guest:So I get up.
Guest:I'm first and second.
Guest:Well, thank God they're working.
Guest:You know, they deserve it.
Guest:Yeah, those guys.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Now they sell tickets, and they can't, so that's great.
Guest:So I get there.
Guest:I do that spot.
Guest:No one watched me.
Guest:And then the girl I was dating, I put my name in the bucket for Kill Tony when it was still small.
Guest:And I went up there, and the second I walk in the room, they call my name.
Guest:In the belly room.
Guest:In the belly room.
Guest:I had no idea what the belly room was.
Marc:I had no idea what Kill Tony.
Marc:This is the punching bag spot.
Guest:Yeah, this is... I'm going up Kill Tony for a minute.
Guest:Theory from people just to rip me apart.
Guest:I go up.
Guest:It was Dom Irar and Greg Fitzsimmons.
Guest:And I did one joke.
Guest:On the panel.
Guest:On the panel.
Guest:And Tony.
Guest:Yeah, and Tony.
Guest:So at this time, too, I'm like, holy shit, Greg fucking Simmons and Tony.
Guest:But they're nice guys.
Guest:Yeah, they're actually pretty cool, dude.
Guest:Still to this day.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Greg's fucking tight.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I go up there.
Guest:I do one joke.
Guest:It did well.
Guest:I did great.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I come downstairs.
Guest:Adam was there.
Guest:And the girl's dating introduced me.
Guest:And he goes, hey, I heard you were the guy who did good on Kill Tony.
Guest:I go, yeah.
Guest:He goes, do you live in LA?
Guest:At this point, I didn't.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I go, yes.
Guest:And he goes, come back every week.
Guest:So then for like the next three months, I would drive down every week for Monday potluck.
Guest:And.
Guest:You would drive down from sack?
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:What's that?
Guest:Four?
Guest:Eight to five.
Guest:Five to eight.
Guest:Depends how bad it is.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:So I would do it every.
Guest:And then after a while, he goes, okay, you're going to get kind of in development.
Guest:And I was like, okay, I'm moving.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And that was it?
Guest:And that was it.
Marc:It's, you know, it's so fucking wild that when, and the difference is it's weird, you know, because even the experience I've had, because I've done your shows, you've booked me on all of your shows, which is always fun.
Marc:And I've watched you, but there was something about, there's something about, you know, just seeing somebody, you know, sitting in the back of the OR.
Guest:Yeah, the OR is different.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:In that, like, you know, you can really see somebody who's the real guy, you know, who's got chops.
Marc:And there's nothing else that guy's going to be doing.
Guest:There's no other thing.
Guest:That's why I'm like, the business is dying, but I'm going to die with the business.
Guest:I'm saying my own demise is happening.
Marc:But it's just such a weird thing.
Marc:And I don't like, and that's why, like, you know, when I noticed, because the OR...
Marc:In a moment in the OR, there is an honesty available that only can happen in that room.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Where you can't do that in the main room.
Marc:No, because like you just you feel the weight of it for some reason.
Marc:I mean, you can do it occasionally in the main room.
Marc:But in the OR, when all the fucks go away.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:All of a sudden, you're like you're in this zone where it's just you pure.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And there's not everybody can do that.
Marc:Some people that are freaked out by that room and some people just can't get past their acts, but there are guys can't get past your act is the biggest thing.
Guest:Cause if you're going up past 1130 and you're like, well, today I went to the supermarket.
Guest:Bam.
Guest:It's like, that's not really what's going to happen.
Marc:That must've been why I was hanging out late and I was just watching people cause I need some laughs and I'm watching you and I'm like, Oh, this guy is like, you know, this is, this is the real deal.
Marc:This guy's not doing anything else.
Marc:No, no,
Marc:This is all I ever wanted to do.
Marc:But it's crazy if you think about it, man.
Marc:You know, like doing a triple run.
Marc:These are just moments I have with myself.
Marc:Because I don't know who that guy was that did what I did when I started comedy.
Marc:But I didn't think of anything else.
Marc:And I would do that thing.
Marc:It's like, I'll drive to Maine for eight hours.
Marc:For 75 hours.
Marc:And I got to drive who?
Marc:The hypnotist?
Guest:That's okay.
Guest:That's okay.
Guest:I can open for you.
Guest:I'll sell your merch too.
Guest:But you want me to go up after you're done for 10 more minutes so you can set up your merch booth.
Guest:Okay, I can do that one.
Guest:No one had merch back then, really.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:It was pre-merch.
Guest:Dude, I opened for some guys that were, like, you know, Road Hacks.
Guest:But, you know, Road Hacks fucking murder.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So this guy, I would open for him.
Guest:Who?
Guest:I'm not going to.
Marc:Now that you've said heck, you can't say his name.
Guest:Yeah, if I wouldn't have said their name, I would have been like, one of my favorite comics of all time, this guy, Punky Speedbottom.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So he would go up, murder, and then he goes, can you go up and do 10 minutes after me while I set up my booth?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I'm going up, host, bombing my dick off.
Guest:At the show, it was already great.
Guest:After his big clothes.
Guest:After his big clothes, dirty thing, callbacks, I'm getting buried.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then I have to stand next to him and sell the booth.
Oh.
Guest:and they barely look at you yeah it's like they say to him like wow that was really fun they look at you and they're like hey hey you're there you had fun up there didn't you bud to be honest no i did not it was fun until the last 10 minutes so what do you like so what do you do you go out as a headliner yeah i'm doing like uh punch lines luckily came up through the punch lines la jolla house of comedies
Guest:You know, I'm doing the one where the clubs liked me because I featured for years for all these big guys and stuff.
Marc:And you kept a nice rapport with them.
Guest:But the problem is I just don't sell tickets.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I know.
Marc:I was like that for years.
Marc:It's a fucking nightmare.
Marc:And I was doing, like, TV and everything.
Marc:And I couldn't fucking sell tickets.
Marc:I hated it.
Marc:When I started the podcast, I was like, you know, I had no anticipation of anything.
Marc:But I knew that...
Marc:you know, looking down the barrel at, you know, being like a, like a unknown headliner.
Guest:It's rough, dude.
Guest:I remember the, I remember when you started the podcast, you were, it was so funny.
Guest:The beginning, you would just be like so depressed.
Guest:The first like year and a half of the podcast, another fucking day.
Guest:Take that cat, the cat.
Guest:And then it took off again.
Guest:And it was just cool to see.
Marc:But then I got all these people that come to the podcast and they're like, you know, we should go support him doing comedy.
Marc:I'm like, that's what I do.
Marc:That's who I am, you know?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I'm still kind of like that with that.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:It's like, I feel like I got a bunch of very nice people that come to see me, you know?
Marc:But like, you know, when I see my audience, I'm like, do you know who I am?
Marc:You're like, I'm a monster.
Marc:And they're like, no, you're not.
Guest:No, you're not.
Guest:Well, I've always said, you know, working there, I was just like, there's definitely a few sides of you, but the two Marks that I've grown to know is kind of the normal Mark, a little curmudgeon-y, and then there's cigar Mark.
Guest:You're the guy who came up with that.
Guest:If you see Mark with the cigar, you just met one of the nicest people you'll ever meet in your life.
Guest:And he's going to tell you about Kinnison.
Guest:He will tell you about Kinnison.
Guest:Let me tell him what.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:You said, like, cigar Mark likes to tell stories.
Guest:Stories, yeah.
Guest:You want to sit down and listen to the story?
Guest:I used to love it.
Guest:I'm like, oh, he's got a cigar, guys.
Guest:Sit around the back door.
Guest:Get around the bar.
Guest:He's got scars.
Guest:Get around the back bar.
Marc:He's going to spin some yarns.
Guest:He's going to tell you some cool stuff.
Guest:Oh, that's hilarious.
Guest:So, yeah, it was always cool.
Guest:You're always pretty nice, man.
Guest:I mean, the biggest thing for me, I mean, I haven't been a door guy there since before the pandemic.
Guest:Being a lock guy, the people that don't tip, you always tipped.
Guest:I could just never understand that.
Marc:Yeah, I always.
Marc:You only got $2?
Marc:Not only do I always tip, but I assume like, you know, how much is Whitney giving you?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, I always think like, am I tipping enough?
Guest:Oh, there's some guys who gave nothing that were number one on Forbes.
Guest:And you'd be like.
Marc:Really?
Guest:They're not going to give a dollar.
Marc:I never even think to not tip.
Marc:If I don't, I feel terrible.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's two bucks.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, I'm generally a fiver.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Five guy.
Marc:And if I forget to go to the back bar to break a 10, some guys get a 10.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That's a big day for a guy.
Guest:I got 10 from work.
Marc:It is.
Guest:What?
Marc:Fuck.
Marc:So how often are you out on the road?
Guest:I just did my summer tour, which was okay.
Guest:I mean, it was great.
Guest:I did all the House of Comedy.
Guest:It was cool.
Guest:Starting to go to Canada a lot.
Marc:Where are you working up there?
Guest:Doing the House of Comedy, so Vancouver, Edmonton.
Guest:What's that guy's name?
Guest:Bronson?
Guest:Yeah, I deal with his wife a little more than him.
Guest:But what, the one in Edmonton?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The Edmonton one's good.
Guest:It's in a mall, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The Vancouver one, you were up in Vancouver, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Is there a house comedy there?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, that's right.
Guest:It's a little outside of Vancouver.
Guest:Yeah, I didn't know.
Guest:Vancouver's a weird place because we're like, it's outside of Vancouver.
Guest:I'm like, but what out?
Guest:There's like six downtowns.
Guest:I don't even understand that.
Marc:Well, Vancouver, like I was just there for months and there's no club in town anymore.
Marc:So, you know, I was doing the better...
Marc:The comic-produced rooms, one of them was good.
Marc:Two of them.
Marc:And I just needed to work out a little bit.
Marc:But it's not the same.
Marc:I just didn't go out to the House of Comedy.
Marc:I don't know why.
Marc:They said, come on out.
Marc:And I'm like, I don't know.
Guest:It's good.
Guest:I like it.
Guest:It's in the middle of nowhere.
Guest:Vancouver's so weird because you're like...
Guest:It seems like a Chinese realtor pyramid scheme.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:It's just like monuments to money laundering.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:They're these giant buildings.
Marc:No one lives there.
Marc:Yeah, it's crazy.
Marc:It happens in Florida, too, and in New York.
Marc:They're just planting their money there, and they don't give a fuck.
Marc:It's crazy.
Marc:I don't understand the projection of that.
Marc:So if you're going to build this thing and you put all this money into it, but you're not going to rent it and you can't sell it, what the fuck is the point?
Guest:I guess making money off laundering, maybe.
Guest:I guess.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Things cost more than they do.
Guest:I don't understand either.
Marc:I have no idea what happens to those buildings.
Marc:If no one's going to manage them and rent them, how is that even a good investment?
Guest:Well, you can look in Vancouver.
Guest:There's like four downtowns.
Guest:I know.
Guest:Each one's like slowly degrading as they build a new downtown.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:These high rises.
Marc:But I just don't know what the end game is.
Marc:Because you can't sell them.
Marc:I think it's a get in, get out kind of thing.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:Oh, so they're making money on the money somehow.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I don't understand.
Marc:But anyway, so how do you put yourself out in the world?
Marc:How do people, like, know you?
Marc:How do people know me?
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:I don't know if they do know me.
Marc:What's the big plan on building the draw?
Marc:I don't know how to plan.
Marc:I'm not putting you on the spot here.
Marc:But, yeah, what's the social media presence like?
Marc:Mid.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:You know, I don't think...
Guest:I have a look that people want to stare at for more than 5 to 10 seconds, so the videos don't really work that great.
Guest:And I'm like working out being like, maybe a kid will watch this.
Guest:Didn't you break something?
Guest:Yeah, I have terrible knees.
Guest:I've torn up my ACL, my MCL, my meniscus.
Guest:From football?
Guest:football basketball i got no it they're super fucked up so right now i'm just i just run my shows i got this new show i'm trying to do that show always seems popular cronies the one yeah yeah that one's sick that one's well i book sick ass comics every month and it works out how do you promote that
Guest:Just by paying good comics good money and putting them on the flyer.
Marc:Oh, that's it?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, you're funny, dude.
Marc:Well, I appreciate it, man.
Marc:And you seem like you're relatively healthy right now.
Guest:Yeah, I'm great, man.
Guest:My life is fantastic.
Guest:I'm engaged.
Guest:The work's coming.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm putting out clips.
Guest:I'm doing all the shit you're supposed to do.
Guest:I'm just kind of, I can tell, well, the sad part is I can tell that this is going to be a highlight of my life.
Guest:What?
Guest:You know, I'm going to go back in 10 years and be like, dude, when I was 35, I think that was the best it got.
Yeah.
Guest:Come on.
Guest:Do you open for guys?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I used to open for Burt Kreischer for three years.
Guest:Oh, you did?
Guest:I did the pandemic run with them.
Guest:He's a nice guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Fuck, man.
Guest:I love the guy.
Guest:I don't do it anymore.
Guest:How come?
Guest:I think at some point we both were like, it's time for you to do your own thing now.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's a weird decision, but I learned that I got lucky.
Marc:You don't want to be part of someone else's thing.
No.
Guest:After a while, I got... And I'm so grateful for Bert.
Guest:He's one of the nicest people I've ever met.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He caught me on... I did stadiums.
Guest:I did... I went on private jets.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But after, you know, when I'm like almost getting close to 40, I don't want my only credit to be I opened for another guy.
Marc:Well, that's... The weird thing is, is you would think...
Marc:And I've just noticed this from other people.
Marc:Even if I have friends who get huge, I'd pull back.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:Because I saw it happen with Candace and when I was a door guy.
Marc:You just see these guys.
Marc:They all have these crews.
Marc:And for the most part, they don't go anywhere.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And the idea would be that you're being exposed to this huge audience, so they'll come see you the next time.
Marc:But they don't remember.
Guest:No.
Marc:They don't give a fuck.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, I got a small thing from it, but you're, I mean, like, shit, I'll get a couple hundred people from a stadium or something.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I still open for, you know, Bobby, Santino, anybody I can, but I kind of decided to focus on myself.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And try and build myself because that's, if that fails, I at least can blame myself.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Which is a lot easier to sleep with.
Marc:Yeah, sure.
Marc:I do it all the time.
Guest:I can tell you, apostrophedic really helps that way.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Even if I got a free spare time, I would just blame myself for something.
Marc:Why the fuck am I not that guy?
Marc:It's all bullshit.
Marc:It's all just the way my brain works.
Marc:At some point, it's sort of like, you better accept you're okay soon.
Marc:You did all right.
Marc:You won.
Marc:Yeah, I'd definitely say you won.
Marc:Yeah, but there's part of me that's sort of like, yeah, but I didn't.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I didn't win the big one.
Guest:You know what?
Guest:By going with, I would consider Burt one of the winning the big ones.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:I don't want to, it doesn't look that fun.
Guest:He's working.
Guest:He's always working.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Always.
Guest:And not even like just, he's on his phone.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like making videos.
Guest:I don't want that.
Guest:Me neither.
Guest:That's too hard.
Marc:That's why he's so impressive to me.
Marc:Well, all those guys have to feed the monster all the fucking time.
Marc:That's a big fucking monster, dude.
Marc:Yeah, and I don't know what I would do.
Marc:If I had that many people that liked me, I'd be like, there's something wrong with them, me.
Marc:I don't know what happened.
Guest:You know what I mean?
Guest:You must not know actually me if there's so much you like me.
Marc:Well, yeah, but but it's also the fact that the responsibility of it and also the level of, you know, work or whatever.
Marc:I don't I don't understand it all.
Marc:But I do like when in in my quieter moments, like I do realize I don't want that.
Marc:But there's another part of me, the ego part of me, that's sort of like, why the fuck?
Marc:Should be given to me or something.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:But, like, I don't want it.
Marc:I put the work in to be exactly who I am.
Marc:And I wouldn't even know how to construct an act that those people would want.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Or those people, whatever.
Marc:Or the huge audience.
Marc:I don't know.
Guest:Well, Bert was like, I always picture, Bert's like Jimmy Buffett.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know?
Guest:Yes, exactly.
Guest:It's like a lifestyle thing.
Guest:When you go to a show...
Guest:They're out four hours before the show in the parking lot.
Guest:With their shirts off?
Guest:With their shirts off, drinking beers.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They, like, fill up the back of their trucks with water.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like a pool.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's like a Jimmy Buffett parrot-headed shirt.
Guest:It is.
Guest:Right?
Guest:Which is fucking awesome.
Guest:But it's just a... To just... It takes so much work to be that guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It looks fun because he's built to do it, but I'm not built to do that.
Marc:Well, I mean, it's also like, you know...
Marc:I mean, it's a whole new thing of comedy now.
Marc:Like, you know, we just wanted to kind of, you know, make a living.
Marc:Yeah, I want to sell out.
Guest:Let me sell club dates.
Guest:That's all I want to do.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:I make a good living.
Guest:I get to meet some fans.
Guest:I'm not, I can walk out and people don't stop me.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Bert, we'd be at dinner and he would be, I'm talking fine dining.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And someone would come up to him and ask him to take off his shirt and take a picture.
Marc:I mean, I'm talking to these steaks for $200.
Marc:Hold on a minute.
Marc:He'd do it.
Guest:Yeah, he's the best.
Guest:He's the nicest fucking guy in the world.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:And he'd take off his shirt and he'd take a picture with this person.
Guest:He enjoys it, but that's how I know.
Guest:I would have been like, get the fuck out of my face.
Guest:I'm eating steak right now.
Guest:What are you doing?
Guest:But he would do it every time.
Guest:Come on, man.
Guest:Come on, man.
Guest:It's okay.
Guest:I'm like, you're in a suit and I have to take my shirt off?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:What are you doing?
Marc:He is a good guy.
Marc:But it was good talking to you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Thank you very much, man.
Guest:Can I say one thing?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:This was always a thing.
Guest:My mom, when I moved here, she was like, you got to do it.
Guest:So I want to give a shout out to my mom.
Guest:What up, mom?
Guest:I did it, dog.
Guest:He did it.
Guest:She listens?
Guest:Oh, she's a huge fan of yours.
Guest:This was a big thing for her.
Guest:So thank you.
Marc:See, your mom's my audience.
Guest:Yeah, I would say so.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Slightly older, good looking woman.
Marc:Oh, good.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Well, that's good to know.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Well, what's her name?
Marc:Sandra.
Marc:Sandra, he did great.
Guest:Thank you, bud.
Thank you.
Marc:Well, there you go.
Marc:That's Steve Fury.
Marc:You can go see what he's up to at SteveFury.com and at his social pages.
Marc:And a special hello to Steve Fury's mom, my fan.
Marc:Hang out for a minute.
Marc:Hey, folks, you can get the latest Ask Mark Anything bonus episode with your full Marin subscription.
Marc:I took some time here in Albuquerque to answer the latest round of your questions.
Marc:How often do you get recognized in public?
Marc:I would imagine it happens almost any time you go out shopping at Whole Foods and other routine outings.
Marc:Is this something you have to mentally think about before you go out, or is it just routine at this point?
Marc:I'm fortunate in that most of my fans are very decent people.
Marc:They're good people.
Marc:Many of them see me and they don't...
Marc:feel the need to talk to me and others come up and just, they're nice.
Marc:It's not all the time.
Marc:I'm still a very kind of, um, uh, I'm not, I'm not a huge star.
Marc:Um, I'm still sort of an acquired taste and there are people that know me.
Marc:Uh, but most of the time I don't, I'm not mobbed or anything.
Marc:And, and as I said that most of my fans are polite people, uh, but they say hi and I'm okay with it.
Marc:I like it.
Marc:I'll have a conversation.
Marc:They ask me personal things because if you listen to my podcast, you know me pretty personal and I don't mind it at all.
Marc:It's pretty routine, but it's not unmanageable.
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