Episode 152 - Comedy Film Nerds

Episode 152 • Released February 23, 2011 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Guest:Lock the gates!

00:00:07Marc:Are we doing this?

00:00:08Marc:Really?

00:00:08Marc:Wait for it.

00:00:09Marc:Are we doing this?

00:00:10Marc:Wait for it.

00:00:12Marc:Pow!

00:00:12Marc:What the fuck?

00:00:14Marc:And it's also, eh, what the fuck?

00:00:16Marc:What's wrong with me?

00:00:17Marc:It's time for WTF!

00:00:19Guest:What the fuck?

00:00:20Guest:With Marc Maron.

00:00:24Marc:Okay, let's do this.

00:00:25Marc:What the fuckers?

00:00:26Marc:What the fuck, buddies?

00:00:27Marc:What the fucking ears?

00:00:28Marc:What the fuck, Knicks?

00:00:29Marc:What the fuck, Ericans?

00:00:30Marc:What the fuck, Canadians?

00:00:32Marc:Oh, man.

00:00:33Marc:Now I'm bouncing my feet.

00:00:34Marc:I'm bouncing my feet on the floor, and I'm jumpy.

00:00:37Marc:It's Marc Maron.

00:00:38Marc:This is WTF.

00:00:39Marc:This is the Oscar version of WTF.

00:00:41Marc:Today on the show, the comedy film nerds, Graham Elwood, Chris Mancini, going to be here to talk about Oscars, to have some Oscar talk.

00:00:53Marc:I can't fucking believe this.

00:00:55Marc:I had hiraches, which is some sort of, you know, taco flat.

00:01:00Marc:It looks like the bottom of a shoe.

00:01:03Marc:That's why it's called hiraches down at Hiraches Azteca.

00:01:07Marc:And I fucking washed my hands with lava soap and it still smells like that.

00:01:14Marc:Jesus.

00:01:16Marc:I could have gotten toxic goo off of my hands.

00:01:19Marc:I can't get the smell of haraches off.

00:01:21Marc:It's not a racial thing.

00:01:23Marc:It's just a food thing.

00:01:24Marc:It's a reality.

00:01:26Marc:The Oscar show.

00:01:27Marc:Oscars are upon us.

00:01:29Marc:I like the Oscars.

00:01:31Marc:I like them more when I was younger.

00:01:34Marc:But I am excited about it.

00:01:35Marc:Hence, I get an email.

00:01:38Marc:Subject line, Oscar season.

00:01:41Marc:From James.

00:01:41Marc:Mark.

00:01:43Marc:I will admit that as devoted as I am to avant-garde cinema...

00:01:48Marc:Your fascination with the Oscars always irks me a little bit, but I don't want to complain like a yuppie.

00:01:55Marc:Listen to this.

00:01:56Marc:I promise you will like this incredible interview with Stan Brakhage.

00:02:01Marc:Skip to 19 minutes and 25 seconds for the wonderful story about denying a job at Hitchcock Studio while he was living in a Mexican slum in Los Angeles.

00:02:10Marc:I promise you will like this.

00:02:12Marc:Only takes about 10 minutes.

00:02:14Marc:Thanks for all the great shows.

00:02:16Marc:James.

00:02:17Marc:Okay, look, Stan Brakhage, I went, I listened.

00:02:21Marc:That's the kind of guy I am, an interviewer.

00:02:23Marc:where he talks basically about having a meeting in Hollywood to work for Alfred Hitchcock when he had no money.

00:02:29Marc:He was living with another dude somewhere in a Mexican neighborhood.

00:02:34Marc:He could have used a job, but he was so steamrolled by the pomp and circumstance and politics and glamour of Hollywood just by going to this meeting to meet with Hitchcock's guy,

00:02:50Marc:That he said he would do it, but he knew he couldn't do it.

00:02:53Marc:He couldn't work for Hitchcock, even though he'd learn a lot.

00:02:56Marc:He just in that moment decided that Hollywood was what he called a canning factory that just churned out.

00:03:03Marc:I would canned would mean the same shit over and over again.

00:03:07Marc:Then he threw some bones to to some people.

00:03:09Marc:He said basically he said, well, what am I going to do there?

00:03:12Marc:If you know, I'm not even as strong as Orson Welles and look what they did to him.

00:03:16Marc:But look what Orson Welles did for us as well.

00:03:19Marc:This is my argument.

00:03:21Marc:And then he said, I just didn't have it.

00:03:22Marc:I didn't have it in me to withstand the beating that I would get trying to fit into this machine.

00:03:27Marc:Okay.

00:03:28Marc:And then he went on to say, look, occasionally good movies come out of Hollywood that have some artistic integrity amidst, you know, just mountains and mountains of shit.

00:03:37Marc:Fine.

00:03:39Marc:There's that's the same with any art form.

00:03:41Marc:Look, you know, if you want to be a poet, that's what you're going to do.

00:03:45Marc:You're going to be a poet.

00:03:46Marc:You're going to sell a million books.

00:03:48Marc:I don't know.

00:03:48Marc:Doubt it.

00:03:50Marc:Are you even going to publish a book?

00:03:52Marc:Maybe.

00:03:53Marc:Are you going to self-publish a book?

00:03:54Marc:Probably.

00:03:56Marc:Are you going to just hand around a few of your poems to people you know in maybe one of those wing clips as a book?

00:04:04Marc:Yeah, yeah, you'd probably do that.

00:04:07Marc:If you're lucky, will you be a professor?

00:04:09Marc:Uh-huh.

00:04:11Marc:Will you get a prize?

00:04:12Marc:Maybe.

00:04:12Marc:Maybe you'll get a prize.

00:04:15Marc:Could you be the greatest poet in the world of poetry?

00:04:17Marc:Uh-huh.

00:04:18Marc:All right, so that's it.

00:04:19Marc:So there you go.

00:04:19Marc:You pick your thing.

00:04:21Marc:You want to be an artist?

00:04:22Marc:You want to be an avant-garde filmmaker?

00:04:23Marc:Well, there you are.

00:04:24Marc:You're a star in the world of avant-garde filmmaker.

00:04:27Marc:You want to swim in the deep end and see if you can be an Olympiad in the world of...

00:04:33Marc:of global, relatively mainstream cinema with your vision?

00:04:38Marc:How powerful is your vision?

00:04:39Marc:What do you got in you?

00:04:42Marc:How are your chops?

00:04:44Marc:Can you deliver what you want to do with the chops you have?

00:04:48Marc:Are you an auteur?

00:04:51Marc:There are some around.

00:04:52Marc:Look, I integrated all that stuff.

00:04:55Marc:I went and watched, I refreshed myself on Stan Breckage.

00:04:58Marc:I watched Dog Star, part one of this or that of the trilogy, not dismissing him.

00:05:03Marc:I watched Moth Light.

00:05:04Marc:These are old short films.

00:05:06Marc:Stan Breckage was a guy that took movie stock and he would just sometimes just have colors going.

00:05:12Marc:He'd sometimes burn the emulsion, scratch the emulsion,

00:05:16Marc:tones, textures, colors, fragments of images, some images, bang, pow, going into my head, fucking with the archetypes embedded in my brain from long, long ago, making me feel but not understand, engaging me in a way that perhaps a painting that was being shaken would engage me.

00:05:36Marc:Do I understand the power of that?

00:05:38Marc:Do I find it moving?

00:05:39Marc:Yes.

00:05:40Marc:For more than 20 minutes?

00:05:41Marc:I don't know.

00:05:43Marc:Do I understand the significance of it?

00:05:45Marc:Yes.

00:05:46Marc:Is it something I want to watch now again?

00:05:49Marc:No.

00:05:50Marc:Have I integrated my wisdom of that into my perception of the world of art and the other things?

00:05:59Marc:Yes.

00:06:00Marc:Is that what it's for?

00:06:01Marc:I believe so.

00:06:04Marc:So that's fine.

00:06:06Marc:I don't know that you have to be angry at Hollywood and angry at the Oscars.

00:06:09Marc:For some reason, since I was a kid, I was just fascinated with movie stars.

00:06:12Marc:I knew all of the old silent movie actors from their pictures, having not even seen their films.

00:06:18Marc:I was fascinated with the idea of movie stars, of Hollywood, of all the glamour and the darkness and sickness of it.

00:06:27Marc:I was always just into it.

00:06:28Marc:I had favorite movie stars.

00:06:30Marc:I like watching the Oscars because it's the closest thing we have to royalty, for fuck's sake.

00:06:35Marc:Sure, they added five more movies to the Best Picture category.

00:06:39Marc:Sure, it's political.

00:06:39Marc:Sure, it's all about show business and the business of it.

00:06:43Marc:Absolutely.

00:06:43Marc:A lot of it's boring.

00:06:45Marc:Sometimes I don't like the host.

00:06:46Marc:Sometimes I can't sit through the whole thing.

00:06:50Marc:But if one of my guys is up for an award, one of my boys, I want to watch and see if he wins it.

00:06:57Marc:And also, I think I love the opportunity.

00:07:00Marc:I've tried to think about why I like the Oscars so much or why I like the idea of them or what it meant to me when I was a kid.

00:07:06Marc:Look, there are great actors that I've really...

00:07:09Marc:Had a lot invested in.

00:07:11Marc:I loved their work.

00:07:12Marc:Narrative motion pictures.

00:07:15Marc:There is plenty of art in them.

00:07:17Marc:There are plenty that are great.

00:07:19Marc:And there are some that are great for different reasons in art.

00:07:22Marc:It's the fucking movies.

00:07:24Marc:But I like movie stars.

00:07:26Marc:I know the difference between a movie star and an actor.

00:07:28Marc:Some actors are movie stars as well.

00:07:32Marc:But I think the reason why I like watching the Oscars, if I think back on it, aside from I want to pick a winner, it's to see my favorite actors and actresses be graceful and human for a second.

00:07:46Marc:Even if they're just sitting in anticipation, wondering if they're going to win, to see them there with their wife.

00:07:51Marc:There's that moment, it's like, holy shit, that's his wife?

00:07:55Marc:Oh my God, I can't believe that he has a wife and that she looks like that.

00:07:58Marc:Before there was all this access to everything,

00:08:01Marc:And pictures of everything.

00:08:03Marc:And you had every information on everything.

00:08:05Marc:When I was a kid watching the Oscars, you didn't know anything about these people, really.

00:08:08Marc:They weren't on TV every three minutes.

00:08:11Marc:Their lives weren't ripped open everywhere.

00:08:14Marc:There was a mystery to it.

00:08:17Marc:These were special people.

00:08:19Marc:And as you get older, you realize, oh, they're just people.

00:08:22Marc:Then as you even get a little older, more cynical, you're like, oh, they're kind of stupid, too.

00:08:25Marc:And that's ridiculous, that behavior that guy has and did.

00:08:29Marc:There was always scandal.

00:08:30Marc:But now there's everything.

00:08:31Marc:You know everything.

00:08:33Marc:But when I was younger, you know, to see Gene Hackman acting like a person, sitting there waiting, Robert De Niro, Robert Duvall, Dustin Hoffman, Meryl Streep, George C. Scott.

00:08:46Marc:You know, these were like powerful myth building people.

00:08:49Marc:I loved watching them and I wanted to see them go up there and be a person, not be Patton, not be Michael Corleone, not be Jake LaMotta, not be the guy from Tender Mercies, whatever his name was.

00:09:01Marc:I wanted to see them have that moment where like, see their people and look, they're almost crying.

00:09:06Marc:Like people do, but crying for reals, maybe, I don't know.

00:09:09Marc:But yeah, that's why I like them.

00:09:13Marc:I fucking like movies.

00:09:16Marc:I used to be a movie nerd.

00:09:19Marc:I studied film in college and film history.

00:09:22Marc:I wanted to win an Oscar.

00:09:25Marc:I wanted to.

00:09:26Marc:I thought when I was younger that I would win an Oscar for something.

00:09:32Marc:I had dreams about it.

00:09:34Marc:I pictured myself winning an Oscar for directing a movie.

00:09:38Marc:that hasn't happened because i i haven't really you know followed through with the whole directing thing but you know i'm sure if i did you know i'd have a shot yeah i thought i would win an oscar as maybe a actor but you know i didn't really you know i haven't been in enough movies really so i don't know pow whoa just shit my pants

00:10:03Marc:Just coffee, just coffee.com.

00:10:05Marc:I thought I would win a best screenplay Oscar, but you know, I just haven't, you know, I'm, I'm almost done with one and you know, but part of that lack of completion and part of that lack of follow through and the dream of it,

00:10:23Marc:Adds to the excitement of the dream of winning an Oscar.

00:10:26Marc:It's only now that I'm older that I know.

00:10:29Marc:Dude, you didn't really do anything to win an Oscar.

00:10:33Marc:But when I was younger, I was like, maybe I could.

00:10:36Marc:Maybe I could hang out with them.

00:10:37Marc:Maybe I could say, what's up, Bobby?

00:10:42Marc:Dusty, what's up, buddy?

00:10:45Marc:Gene, great working with you again.

00:10:48Marc:Didn't happen.

00:10:51Marc:But I still like watching the Oscars because now I can just enjoy, even if it's for a second, that second where I see somebody have that genuine human emotion of excitement and gratitude, especially if they deserve it.

00:11:07Marc:Or let me rephrase that.

00:11:09Marc:If I think they deserve it.

00:11:12Marc:I like movie stars.

00:11:14Marc:I just do.

00:11:15Marc:Especially if they're good ones.

00:11:17Marc:George Clooney.

00:11:24Marc:I'm here in the garage with Graham Elwood and Chris Mancini, the comedy film nerds.

00:11:27Marc:That is our podcast.

00:11:28Marc:Maybe you listen to it.

00:11:29Marc:It's one of the best, right?

00:11:31Marc:Yes.

00:11:32Guest:Yes.

00:11:33Guest:We concur.

00:11:33Marc:The best film nerd comedy podcast.

00:11:38Marc:With three names.

00:11:39Marc:Available.

00:11:40Marc:Catchy with the three names.

00:11:42Marc:And I've been on their show, and now we're here, and we're going to talk about Oscars, because I can do that.

00:11:47Marc:I'm a smart guy.

00:11:50Marc:I don't always talk about my own bullshit.

00:11:53Marc:It doesn't always have to be about what your dad do, why you fucked up.

00:11:58Marc:Bad touches.

00:11:59Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:12:00Marc:I haven't gotten any bad touches yet.

00:12:01Guest:No one has come that clean.

00:12:03Guest:Wait till this show ends.

00:12:05Guest:Crazy uncles.

00:12:07Marc:We start out to do a comedy thing, and by the end, Chris is crying.

00:12:09Marc:I'm like, I just realized...

00:12:11Guest:That's how we end every podcast.

00:12:13Marc:I just realized my grandpa wasn't so nice.

00:12:16Marc:I forgot my fifth birthday until today.

00:12:20Guest:They have a nicer garage, Mark.

00:12:22Guest:You have a nice garage all set up.

00:12:24Marc:Well, no.

00:12:24Marc:I mean, my garage is cluttered.

00:12:26Marc:It's old.

00:12:26Marc:I don't know if it's going to roll down the hill.

00:12:28Marc:Your garage is a little more modern.

00:12:30Marc:There's a little more space.

00:12:31Marc:It actually functions as a garage because you have a family.

00:12:35Guest:But you have books, which is functional.

00:12:38Guest:We have trikes and stuff in Chris's garage.

00:12:41Guest:And a toddler bed.

00:12:42Guest:And a toddler bed, which I sleep in.

00:12:44Marc:But you are actually helping to assist the growth and security of another human being.

00:12:51Marc:I'm deluding myself.

00:12:55Yeah.

00:12:56Marc:Yeah, these books are mostly unread.

00:12:58Marc:Some of them I bought in college.

00:13:00Marc:This is just to sort of justify to me, in lieu of a child, I want to know that I've lived and that I'm getting older despite my emotional well-being.

00:13:10Marc:When you have a kid, you're like, well, it's time to throw the trike away.

00:13:12Marc:He's got a car.

00:13:14Marc:I never have to throw the books away.

00:13:16Guest:No, no.

00:13:16Marc:So in some way, I'm still in college.

00:13:18Guest:With the crazy cat lady action figure, which I think is tremendous.

00:13:22Marc:Someone gave that to me.

00:13:22Marc:I've never seen it anywhere.

00:13:23Guest:I love that.

00:13:24Guest:When's the last time you've read The Brothers Karamazov?

00:13:26Marc:The last time I tried to read it?

00:13:27Marc:I like how you put it right next to Iggy Pop's biography.

00:13:33Marc:It was a little cluttered.

00:13:34Marc:I just got the bookshelf.

00:13:36Marc:But in all honesty, I did read the... You know what?

00:13:39Marc:I read Crime and Punishment.

00:13:40Marc:I read half of the Brothers Karamazov.

00:13:42Marc:You really got to commit and you got to stay in the groove with the Russian literature.

00:13:47Marc:Just to manage the fucking names.

00:13:48Marc:Because if you get away from it two days, you're like, now which guy is this?

00:13:52Marc:Yeah, there's a bunch of Dorskys and Kozucheps.

00:13:55Marc:And Gogles.

00:13:56Marc:And Gogles.

00:13:57Marc:Oh, he's a writer.

00:13:58Marc:I haven't read him either.

00:13:58Marc:But I might have a book if you want to check it out.

00:14:02Marc:Of Gogles' short story.

00:14:04Guest:Let's talk Dostoevsky.

00:14:07Marc:Because I think he's up for what?

00:14:08Marc:Best screenplay?

00:14:10Guest:Best adapted.

00:14:11Marc:I, um, best animated short.

00:14:13Marc:The, the, uh, the Oscars for me, like as, as far back as there was a period there in my life where, where I was like, fuck the Oscars or bullshit.

00:14:21Marc:It's all political.

00:14:22Marc:But when I was a kid, I was thrilled to watch the Oscars and the Golden Globes.

00:14:26Marc:And I still am.

00:14:27Marc:And I'm personally, I was quite mad at Ricky Gervais because that was the night where, you know, Hollywood is supposed to like, you know, I have actually just have a nice time.

00:14:34Marc:And then he, who the hell is he to make it about himself?

00:14:36Marc:I was upset about it because I, as I get older, I'm like, Oh, look at the pretty things.

00:14:40Marc:And then,

00:14:41Marc:Oh, she's really dressed nice.

00:14:42Marc:You want to know what everyone's wearing.

00:14:44Marc:Well, no, but I think that the Golden Globes, on some level, when I watch it, there was some real emotion there.

00:14:48Marc:And despite what anyone thinks about an actor or what they really are, whether they're children or shallow or useless or overpaid or whatever, that's what they do.

00:14:56Marc:And some of them are great.

00:14:57Marc:And when they actually emote as themselves, it's a rare gift.

00:15:01Guest:Yeah, it is.

00:15:01Guest:It is.

00:15:02Guest:Well, maybe that's what Ricky Gervais was doing.

00:15:03Guest:He was making them emote towards him.

00:15:05Yeah.

00:15:06Guest:Well, I'm sure.

00:15:06Marc:I mean, I got no big deal.

00:15:08Guest:Did you see all the dirty?

00:15:09Guest:I've never seen so many actors and actresses give Ricky Gervais so many dirty looks in one event.

00:15:13Marc:Well, I think that after a certain point, it's like, is this necessary?

00:15:16Marc:You know, I mean, I guess they do need to be taken down a notch on some level, but it's like, do it on your own time.

00:15:22Guest:Yeah.

00:15:23Guest:Yeah.

00:15:23Guest:I mean, I get it.

00:15:24Guest:You know, he's hired to, I mean, obviously Hollywood takes itself way too seriously.

00:15:28Guest:And when a Gervais or like when Letterman did it a long time, did the Oscars a long time ago, busting Hollywood's balls a little bit.

00:15:34Guest:They're not going to be able to take it that well.

00:15:35Guest:That's the key right there.

00:15:36Guest:Busting Hollywood's balls a little bit.

00:15:38Guest:A little bit.

00:15:38Guest:If you go too far.

00:15:39Guest:If you go too far, then it's an abomination.

00:15:41Guest:Yeah.

00:15:41Guest:Then it's an abomination.

00:15:41Guest:I don't think it was an abomination.

00:15:42Guest:It felt like the people that were there were like, oh, this is horrible.

00:15:47Guest:I think the main thing, too, and I was thinking about this.

00:15:49Guest:I'm like, why is it really not working?

00:15:51Guest:I think one of the problems Ricky Gervais has is he hit all of the low-hanging fruit, so to speak.

00:15:56Guest:It was all the obvious jokes.

00:15:58Guest:It's like all the, okay, addiction.

00:16:01Marc:But I think one of the bigger problems is that as much as he's imposed himself on our culture, and I think that as much as...

00:16:10Marc:He's like a neighbor that won't leave.

00:16:11Marc:In a way.

00:16:12Marc:Yeah.

00:16:13Marc:In a way.

00:16:13Marc:I said that like a real racist.

00:16:15Marc:Like, yeah, I think that's a good way to look at it.

00:16:18Marc:And I think that's just the tip of the iceberg because he's just English.

00:16:24Marc:If we let him in, who's next?

00:16:26Guest:First it's Monty Python, now it's Ricky Gervais.

00:16:29Guest:Where's it going to end?

00:16:30Marc:But I loved him.

00:16:31Marc:I loved The Office.

00:16:32Marc:I liked Extras.

00:16:34Marc:I've not really loved him in movies.

00:16:36Marc:I'm getting very tired of seeing him on advertisements with his mouth open and a big fake guffaw.

00:16:41Marc:It just seems like every picture of him is like...

00:16:43Marc:And I thought that that he didn't have my basic problem was he did not have the gravitas to pull that shit off.

00:16:54Marc:You know, like there was a time like, why isn't Jack Nicholson showing up at events anymore?

00:16:57Marc:That's bothering me.

00:16:58Marc:There was a time where Hollywood, I think, had a little sort of edge to it.

00:17:01Marc:It was kind of fun.

00:17:03Marc:And you could tell the Golden Globes where they were just sort of blown off steam.

00:17:05Marc:But they do take themselves awful seriously.

00:17:07Guest:Okay, so you know what?

00:17:08Guest:I think the problem here is not what he did.

00:17:10Guest:It's his pick as a host, really, the problem.

00:17:12Guest:I think that's true.

00:17:13Guest:Because what you do is when you hire Ricky Gervais, don't be surprised when Ricky Gervais shows up.

00:17:18Guest:Right.

00:17:19Guest:It was that kind of thing.

00:17:19Guest:Well, this is what he does.

00:17:21Guest:Don't have him there if that's not what you want.

00:17:24Guest:You then hire Steve Martin and Alec Baldwin again if you want more of the gentle kind of ribbing.

00:17:28Marc:I like Alec Baldwin.

00:17:29Marc:I thought that they were pretty good together.

00:17:31Marc:Would they host last?

00:17:32Guest:Academy Awards, yeah.

00:17:33Marc:Okay, so let's move into that.

00:17:34Marc:The host, the choice of hosts.

00:17:35Marc:Can you remember the past host?

00:17:37Marc:So it was Alec Baldwin and Steve Martin last year.

00:17:39Marc:It was okay.

00:17:39Marc:Yeah.

00:17:40Marc:And Billy Crystal with the dance number.

00:17:41Guest:For about 100 times.

00:17:42Guest:I don't know.

00:17:43Guest:How many times did he do it?

00:17:44Guest:He did a lot.

00:17:44Guest:Billy Crystal did a lot.

00:17:45Guest:He's a showman.

00:17:46Guest:Yeah, he's a showman.

00:17:47Guest:He's irritating, but we love him.

00:17:49Guest:Yeah, he's this irritating showman.

00:17:51Guest:You know, I think in the 80s and 90s, I love Billy Crystal doing, you know, and it's kind of what you're talking about.

00:17:57Guest:Billy Crystal was a movie star.

00:18:00Guest:He had City Slickers.

00:18:01Guest:He had all these, you know, he had When Harry Met Sally.

00:18:03Guest:So he was a movie star that was a comedian.

00:18:06Guest:So it was when he was busting Hollywood's balls, it was more palatable than when, like, Gervais.

00:18:11Marc:And he started on Saturday Night Live.

00:18:13Guest:Yeah.

00:18:13Marc:No, I think he's a good ball buster in a way.

00:18:15Marc:And there was a sweetness to it.

00:18:17Guest:Yeah.

00:18:17Guest:And again, I love Ricky Gervais.

00:18:18Guest:I think he's hilarious.

00:18:19Guest:But again, you're still invited into their home.

00:18:23Guest:You know what I mean?

00:18:23Guest:You're still invited into their party.

00:18:25Marc:And despite what anyone thinks, this is American royalty.

00:18:28Guest:Yeah, it is.

00:18:29Marc:It is.

00:18:30Marc:We don't have a king.

00:18:31Marc:We don't have a queen.

00:18:31Marc:But we do have this thing called Hollywood, which seems to define culture for the planet.

00:18:35Guest:Yeah.

00:18:36Guest:Yes.

00:18:36Marc:And all of our Hollywood royalty live in France.

00:18:39Marc:Yeah.

00:18:40Marc:Yeah.

00:18:40Marc:Well, that doesn't sound so bad, but also like I want to be fair I was irritated like I was irritated with Johnny Depp and like really the outfits really we're gonna do that again Yeah, and then there was not dressed as a pirate you have to be thankful But I think right but isn't he is he's always dressed in a pirate.

00:18:55Marc:He loves a joke a pirate Yeah, that's how he goes to the store.

00:18:58Marc:I always think it's one variation of pirate

00:19:00Marc:But for me to see in that moment, what makes it great for me is Al Pacino did a great job in that Jack of Ork thing.

00:19:08Marc:He acted the fuck out of that.

00:19:09Marc:He's fucking Al Pacino.

00:19:11Marc:He got up there.

00:19:12Marc:He was gracious.

00:19:12Marc:It was touching.

00:19:13Marc:I like that.

00:19:14Marc:I guess when I see real actors get rewarded for real things or real artists being rewarded, and I agree with them being worthy of that award, I'm like, well, that seems fair and good.

00:19:24Guest:And look, he's a sweet man.

00:19:25Guest:And you know what?

00:19:26Guest:Honestly, though, I mean, like, yeah, it's easy to it's easy.

00:19:29Guest:I agree with you because, I mean, yes, Hollywood takes itself way too seriously and it should lighten the fuck up sometimes.

00:19:35Guest:Yeah.

00:19:35Guest:But, you know, it is it is these people like Al Pacino.

00:19:38Guest:He did a lot of work to do that Kevorkian thing.

00:19:40Guest:It was really it's it's amazing that he transformed, became that guy.

00:19:43Guest:You watch interviews with Kevorkian and Pacino.

00:19:45Guest:He did a fucking amazing job.

00:19:46Marc:Yeah, and that's good.

00:19:47Marc:You got to love it.

00:19:48Guest:And that needs credit.

00:19:49Guest:I mean, he needs to be rewarded for that.

00:19:50Marc:Yeah, and I think that some of that is real.

00:19:52Marc:And I know award shows are just award shows, but who doesn't like to win a fucking award?

00:19:55Marc:I want to win an award.

00:19:56Marc:I mean, Christ, I got a podcast award.

00:19:57Marc:I don't even know who does those.

00:20:00Marc:But I was like, okay.

00:20:01Guest:They just show up at the studio sometimes.

00:20:03Marc:It's good to be number one for no reason.

00:20:06Marc:I don't know who this guy awarded it to me, but he has a Twitter account.

00:20:09Marc:That feels good to be number one.

00:20:11Marc:How many people voted?

00:20:13Marc:Seven people?

00:20:14Guest:Is it at markmarinawards.com?

00:20:18Guest:Exactly.

00:20:19Marc:Okay, so are we happy with the host?

00:20:22Marc:It's James Franco.

00:20:24Marc:James Franco and Anne Hathaway.

00:20:26Guest:Anne Hathaway.

00:20:27Guest:I think, honestly, I don't know James Franco that well, but I was in some acting classes with him a long time ago.

00:20:32Guest:I think this is kind of a bold choice.

00:20:34Guest:And I mean, I think it's a risk.

00:20:36Guest:I mean, I think he could fall flat on his face.

00:20:38Guest:But I think James Franco is a guy that he doesn't take himself that seriously.

00:20:42Marc:I think, though, I think he can play comedy pretty well.

00:20:44Marc:And I tell you, Anne Hathaway's turn on the Oscars last year with the musical piece was beautiful.

00:20:51Marc:And I, you know, and I'm not a, you know, look, I'm no pussy.

00:20:54Marc:But I'll squirt out a few tears if the song is good.

00:20:57Marc:I mean, if I go to a musical, I'm usually overwhelmed with emotion.

00:21:00Marc:Even if it's upbeat, I'm crying because there's so many people and they seem to like each other and they're dancing.

00:21:05Marc:And the outfits.

00:21:06Marc:I have that in me.

00:21:08Marc:I try to keep it down.

00:21:10Marc:But but I thought I love her.

00:21:12Marc:See, and maybe that's just me, because I'm sure there are people out there.

00:21:14Marc:I fucking hate her.

00:21:15Marc:But I saw her walking down the street.

00:21:16Marc:I used to have a crush on her to the point where I had one of those moments where I'm in New York and I'm just like, there she she's walking down the street.

00:21:22Marc:We're both walking towards each other.

00:21:23Marc:And as a comic and, you know, even a farm team comic that most people don't know.

00:21:28Marc:Yeah.

00:21:29Marc:You know, you have that.

00:21:30Guest:We are like double A. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:32Marc:As being a lifetime double A comic, you know, that moment where you're just walking by like, maybe there's an outside chance.

00:21:38Marc:She'll be like, aren't you?

00:21:40Guest:Yeah.

00:21:40Marc:Like, well, I'm holding on to some fucking dream.

00:21:42Guest:She may listen to the podcast.

00:21:43Marc:Right, exactly.

00:21:44Marc:And I walk by.

00:21:45Marc:Does she have tier three cable?

00:21:46Marc:Yeah, exactly.

00:21:48Marc:And I'm walking by her and I'm waiting for that moment.

00:21:50Marc:And all I got was like, why is that guy looking at me?

00:21:53Ah!

00:21:53Marc:I better pick up my pace, but I'm- Where's my stun gun?

00:21:57Guest:Yeah, I love her.

00:21:57Guest:Did you see her in Havoc?

00:21:59Guest:No.

00:21:59Guest:Oh, that's- If you want to see her be the bad girl.

00:22:02Guest:How was that?

00:22:02Guest:You were talking about this on our latest episode.

00:22:03Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:04Guest:Because we're talking, oh, I don't know if she can play Catwoman.

00:22:06Guest:I think she can.

00:22:07Guest:Because if you see this movie, Havoc, it's about kids in the Pacific Palisades and how they're all running with gangs in the barrio and all that stuff.

00:22:15Guest:And she sleeps with a fair amount of them.

00:22:17Guest:So-

00:22:18Guest:If Hannah Hathaway is willing to live in the Palisades and blow a gang dude to assuage her white guilt, then let's do it.

00:22:25Marc:It's a really interesting role for her.

00:22:26Marc:Wait, so you guys are saying she's really like that?

00:22:28Guest:Yes, yes, yes.

00:22:29Marc:Okay, good, good.

00:22:30Guest:I walked past her on the street in New York.

00:22:32Guest:And she blew me because Chris has neck tattoos.

00:22:36Guest:She gave me a very angry blowjob.

00:22:38Guest:Yeah.

00:22:39Guest:And kept saying fuck daddy.

00:22:41Guest:Yeah, and then she shanked me goes and who's that weird guy looking at me?

00:22:45Marc:I said that even looks like me.

00:22:50Marc:Why I guess I got here too late But no, but I'm sort of thrilled about it.

00:22:54Marc:I don't know if I'll get through the whole show I tend to lose interest in just about everything you and you guys America

00:22:59Marc:No, is that true?

00:23:01Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:23:03Guest:People are really worn out by the end of the show.

00:23:04Guest:Every year, it's going to be shorter.

00:23:06Guest:Every year, it isn't.

00:23:07Guest:No, it's not.

00:23:07Guest:And the audience is shorter because by the last third of the show, the majority of the celebrities in the audience are losers.

00:23:18Guest:They've all lost.

00:23:19Marc:I used to love to tune in just to see Tom Cruise lose.

00:23:22Marc:And a lot of times-

00:23:24Guest:You know, there's jobs at these shows.

00:23:26Guest:There's sitters.

00:23:29Guest:Because they never want the audience to look empty.

00:23:31Guest:There's never an empty seat.

00:23:33Guest:So if someone goes to the bathroom or someone leaves, there's literally people that come down and sit in their chairs.

00:23:37Guest:So you're going to be there this year.

00:23:38Guest:Yeah, we both have.

00:23:39Guest:We got the job.

00:23:39Guest:We have extras as sitters.

00:23:41Guest:Eight bucks an hour.

00:23:42Guest:It's a great gig.

00:23:43Guest:Yeah, you don't have to take care of kids.

00:23:44Guest:Just a chair.

00:23:45Guest:That's it.

00:23:46Marc:That is some of the best acting you'll see anywhere is watching them lose gracefully.

00:23:50Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:23:51Guest:All the suspense.

00:23:51Guest:Except for Bill Murray.

00:23:53Guest:Yeah.

00:23:53Guest:Did he get pissed?

00:23:54Guest:Oh, when he lost for Lost in Translation, when he lost.

00:23:57Guest:Oh, my God.

00:23:57Guest:I love Bill Murray.

00:23:58Guest:In fact, the host, was it Billy Crystal that year?

00:24:01Guest:He actually commented on it.

00:24:02Guest:It's like, it's okay.

00:24:03Guest:We still love you.

00:24:04Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:24:04Guest:He literally, didn't he huff and roll his eyes?

00:24:07Guest:Oh, it was.

00:24:08Guest:But then the camera just stays on him with all the-

00:24:11Marc:As cynical as I may be, you know, I've always loved movies.

00:24:15Marc:I've always loved movie stars.

00:24:16Marc:So there's part of me that like, you know, despite my cynicism and whatever I want to be culturally critical of, I love seeing the whole thing.

00:24:24Guest:Honestly, I agree with you.

00:24:25Guest:And I think like you're talking about, it's American royalty in the same way that Brits.

00:24:30Marc:Yeah.

00:24:30Guest:are kind of have that like they can they can sort of take the attitude of like we can make fun of the royals but outside of the the uk you can't because that's our royals these are our assholes yeah these are our rich assholes that live in privilege and i think that's sort of how i feel too like you know there's a lot of politics and you're saying if russell brand hosted the oscars it would be the same thing no

00:24:50Marc:I can't, I can't like, you know, I'm in a sniper perch in the Kodak theater.

00:24:54Marc:I got a blind side when it comes to British comedy for the most part.

00:24:57Marc:You know, I don't, I don't, it doesn't, it rarely makes me laugh out loud.

00:25:01Marc:But again, Ricky Gervais, The Office, excellent.

00:25:04Marc:It's funny shit.

00:25:04Guest:All right, so let's go down the list.

00:25:06Guest:Okay, best picture.

00:25:07Guest:127 hours.

00:25:09Guest:There's 10 this year.

00:25:10Guest:There's 10.

00:25:10Guest:This is the second year.

00:25:11Marc:Oh, yeah, this is the 10.

00:25:12Marc:But we all know that there's a lot of politicking that goes into this.

00:25:15Marc:Sure.

00:25:15Marc:And actually the idea that there's 10.

00:25:16Marc:What?

00:25:17Marc:In Hollywood?

00:25:17Marc:That's weird.

00:25:18Marc:But I didn't really know how hard.

00:25:19Marc:I mean, there are, you know, real, there's like moneyed campaigns.

00:25:23Guest:Well, the Golden Globes are under investigation for it.

00:25:25Guest:I mean, literally.

00:25:26Marc:Well, that was the most honest moment in that whole night is when the head of the Golden Globes said, you know, after he got dissed by Gervais, he's like, I'll keep that in consideration when you submit another film to whatever.

00:25:37Marc:He basically said, yeah, I've got a good sense of humor, but I will keep it in mind what you said.

00:25:42Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:25:43Marc:When considering your next project.

00:25:45Guest:I'm going to hold the grudge against you.

00:25:47Guest:That's right.

00:25:48Marc:But there is a lot of politics from prison.

00:25:49Marc:yeah like uh sometimes but sometimes it's warranted but let's just run down the 10 127 hours black swan the fighter inception the kids are all right the king's speech for social network toy story 3 true grit winter's bone i've seen most of them i've seen every single movie on there except 127 hours only because i'm squeamish and i heard that the arm cutting off scene is just unbearable spoiler yeah

00:26:14Guest:Spoiler alert.

00:26:16Marc:Someone called me on that when I tweeted about it, and they're like, spoiler alert.

00:26:19Marc:I'm like, if you don't know that that's what the movie's about, you're a fucking moron.

00:26:23Guest:Yeah, you're a moron.

00:26:24Guest:One of our writers for Comedy Film Nerds actually went and saw this movie, and she said it's the first time she's not only had to cover her eyes, but her ears as well.

00:26:31Guest:because the sounds of them.

00:26:33Marc:They did this thing with the sound to sort of like kind of punch through, to get you to experience the nerve pain that would come from cutting those tendons.

00:26:43Guest:Well, apparently it worked.

00:26:44Guest:You know what I would do with this list?

00:26:46Guest:The only movie on here that I don't think belongs is The Kids Are Alright.

00:26:50Guest:I think it's a decent film, but is it the best picture?

00:26:52Guest:I don't know.

00:26:53Guest:No, it's not.

00:26:54Guest:This is a two-way race.

00:26:55Guest:Out of all these tendons, there's only going to be two.

00:26:56Guest:Isn't that sort of like throwing the independence a bone?

00:26:58Guest:I mean, I didn't see Winter's Bone.

00:27:00Guest:Honestly, what they should do then, the movie that's overlooked a lot is Animal Kingdom, that gangster movie that came from Australia.

00:27:07Guest:And the problem is it can't qualify for foreign language film because it's in English.

00:27:11Guest:So it's kind of left in the cracks here.

00:27:14Guest:And the whole reason for the Big Ten is obviously get more people in the seats in the theaters and stuff like that, which is fine.

00:27:21Guest:That's what the Oscars were designed for anyway.

00:27:24Guest:Get fucking...

00:27:24Guest:That movie's amazing.

00:27:26Guest:Honestly, to your fans listening, Animal Kingdom, it's from Australia.

00:27:29Guest:It came out this year.

00:27:30Guest:Jackie Weaver is... Did she get a supporting actress nomination?

00:27:36Guest:Yes, she did.

00:27:37Guest:Jackie Weaver has got the best supporting actress nomination for the movie Animal Kingdom.

00:27:41Marc:All right, let's just go through them.

00:27:42Marc:So you didn't see 127 Hours.

00:27:43Marc:You saw it?

00:27:43Guest:I saw all of them but 127 Hours.

00:27:45Marc:Okay, well, I saw 127 Hours.

00:27:47Marc:It was a great film.

00:27:48Marc:It was beautifully shot.

00:27:49Marc:It was smart.

00:27:50Marc:It had a lot to say about the kind of...

00:27:53Marc:Yeah, you know, a subtext of it, which my friend Brendan pointed out to me, was that there's something about youth culture and this idea that you're that self involved to just do this and just so tapped into this, like, you know, extreme sports and doing this.

00:28:06Marc:And, you know, and then this sort of blind side of it is that you're all alone and you have no help at all.

00:28:11Guest:And be that as it may, it's never going to win.

00:28:12Marc:No, that's true, but I thought it was a pretty great movie, and I thought he was great.

00:28:16Marc:Black Swan, I loved it, and I'm one of those people.

00:28:20Marc:There's no controversy for me.

00:28:22Marc:I generally don't like her, and I even watched it on my computer, because that's how they made the screener available, and right when the music starts, and right when I see her dancing, again, this is that same thing in me, the musical theater, there's part of me that wants to allow myself to enjoy the arts, but I came away from that thinking, I've really got to see more ballet, and holy shit, that was a fucked up movie.

00:28:42Marc:But I liked it, and I think it was pretty stunning.

00:28:44Marc:I don't think it will win either.

00:28:46Guest:What do you think?

00:28:47Guest:I think it's a two-way race between social networking and speech.

00:28:49Guest:Did you like Black Swan?

00:28:51Guest:I thought it was okay.

00:28:51Guest:I didn't love it.

00:28:52Guest:Fuck you.

00:28:52Guest:It's okay.

00:28:55Guest:I mean, there's other Darren Aronofsky work that I like better.

00:28:59Guest:Sure.

00:28:59Guest:I mean, I really like Natalie Portman.

00:29:01Guest:I thought it was Flashdance meets Jacob's Ladder.

00:29:03Guest:Yeah, it was a little, you know what I mean?

00:29:05Guest:It's a little like, but amen.

00:29:07Guest:Amen for making it.

00:29:08Guest:All right, fine.

00:29:08Guest:The fighter saw it.

00:29:11Guest:I love The Fighter.

00:29:14Guest:I love it.

00:29:14Guest:Great movie.

00:29:15Guest:Fantastic movie.

00:29:16Guest:And the whole supporting cast is amazing.

00:29:18Marc:They were.

00:29:19Marc:They actually found real Boston retards.

00:29:21Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:29:22Guest:The sisters are amazing.

00:29:24Guest:Like, they honestly, literally, they found- First thing Graham said to me, that has to be the real hair.

00:29:27Guest:Yeah, that has to be.

00:29:29Guest:Mark here, you cocksucker.

00:29:30Marc:Having lived there for like eight years, there was a moment where Marky Mark is trying to get rid of that gaggle of sisters on the porch and goes, come on, screw.

00:29:39Marc:And that was a real moment because no one uses screw.

00:29:42Marc:No one would write screw.

00:29:43Marc:It's completely regional for get the fuck out of here.

00:29:46Marc:Screw.

00:29:46Marc:You don't hear that anywhere else.

00:29:48Marc:And that was as honest as Marky Mark got in that movie.

00:29:52Marc:Now...

00:29:52Marc:No, but I like him.

00:29:54Marc:I mean, I thought the movie was great.

00:29:55Marc:I thought it was David O. Russell's, you know, attempt to, like, he saw a script where he's like, this is a Hollywood movie.

00:30:00Marc:Yeah.

00:30:00Marc:But I'm going to sort of muck it up a little bit with the, you know, kind of cloudy point of view with this weird sort of like, you know, some sort of handheld things.

00:30:07Marc:And, but he did make a Hollywood movie because the ending was great.

00:30:11Marc:And I thought it felt good.

00:30:12Marc:The tone of it was sort of, it was in between like, you know, I'm making a big movie and like, no, I'm not going to keep it tight.

00:30:18Marc:Yeah.

00:30:18Marc:Well, because,

00:30:19Guest:It was a big budget indie is the feel that they would go.

00:30:22Guest:Part of it is with Christian Bale and Mark Wahlberg, I mean, the budget can only be so small.

00:30:28Guest:You know what I mean?

00:30:29Marc:Like those guys- And she's like, what's her name?

00:30:30Guest:Adam?

00:30:31Guest:Amy Adams.

00:30:31Marc:She was great, but you know, she is like, she's-

00:30:34Marc:she can't like when i see her in a movie and all her scenes you know doing her accent i'm like it just became a huge movie that could border on schlock and then all of a sudden you're back to christian bell you're like no now we're back in the shit yeah yeah yeah it was kind of interesting and i thought marky mark uh did a good job but all but i think all his focus went on to into like you know i'm a rock i don't you know a little flat

00:30:56Marc:It was a little bit.

00:30:57Guest:But honestly, though, the little that I know of the actual fighter, that's how that guy is.

00:31:03Guest:No, I think that's true.

00:31:03Guest:You know what I mean?

00:31:04Guest:I'm not going to begrudge him.

00:31:05Marc:I think they really went after accuracy on this movie.

00:31:08Marc:No, and I think it was great, and I really liked the movie.

00:31:11Marc:Yeah.

00:31:11Marc:I don't know if it's my pick.

00:31:12Marc:Inception, beautiful.

00:31:14Marc:A lot of work went into it.

00:31:16Marc:I like watching it, but at the end, I'm still not clear.

00:31:19Marc:Am I the only one?

00:31:21Guest:No, I think we all had the same reaction to that movie.

00:31:23Guest:I appreciated the movie more than I loved it.

00:31:25Guest:I was thinking of Shutter Island.

00:31:28Marc:See, I get the same movie.

00:31:30Marc:Inception, I apologize.

00:31:31Marc:Inception was fucking awful.

00:31:33Marc:Within six minutes, I realized, wow, a lot of money went into this and I really don't care.

00:31:38Marc:I'm seven minutes in and I'm done doing math.

00:31:41Guest:The thing for me about what Inception was... So it's the amount of math in a movie that turns you off.

00:31:45Guest:well no it was just sort of like math is hard i couldn't invest in the reality of the film and it's multiple realities it was pretty heavy because every time that's my problem with the movie as soon as you invest in the reality they changed it oh no wait there's how many levels there's two levels no there's three levels oh wait there's a third level wait no too much there's a secret level yeah the thing that the trailer for me i was i watched the trailer i was like man this better not be there actually in the you know what i mean like and and

00:32:10Guest:And then all the cool effects were all in the trailer, and everyone's like, they were so amazing.

00:32:15Guest:I'm like, they were cool, but they're doing them in fucking sprint commercials where shit just appears and collapses.

00:32:20Marc:Much shorter, and it's very clear what they want you to understand.

00:32:22Guest:Yeah, by a phone.

00:32:23Marc:You know what I mean?

00:32:25It's like...

00:32:25Guest:but uh that's the inception buy a phone the uh great data plan the kids are all right i enjoyed i just felt like this movie this you want to talk about the politics of hollywood it's a decent movie but they're putting a lot of muscle they're putting you know they're padding giving a lot of envelopes around with money in them to make sure this thing is on a lot of lists well i thought and keep in mind it's 10 if there was five would this movie ever no way but i thought annette benning was spectacular

00:32:51Marc:Yeah.

00:32:52Marc:The King's Speech, I watched.

00:32:54Marc:Excellent.

00:32:54Guest:Great movie.

00:32:55Guest:Great movie.

00:32:55Marc:And this is one of those things where the buzz is on Firth and I'm like, he's fine.

00:33:01Guest:He deserves it.

00:33:02Guest:It's one of those movies where- Get him out of Bridget Jones' diary.

00:33:05Guest:Oh, thank Christ.

00:33:06Marc:See, now I like British movies.

00:33:08Marc:I'm okay with-

00:33:09Guest:When it's like this, this is about as far back as I can go with the Brits.

00:33:14Guest:When they keep making all these gown movies in the Elizabethan area, I don't fucking care about it.

00:33:19Guest:It was a different time.

00:33:20Guest:I don't give a shit.

00:33:22Guest:This stuff is fascinating because it was great.

00:33:23Marc:I didn't know anything about it.

00:33:25Marc:I knew who the Duke of Windsor was, and I kind of knew the story about him and the American woman, but I had no idea he had a brother or that he was a king.

00:33:32Marc:I just don't know that shit.

00:33:35Guest:The thing that I found most fascinating about this movie is how the filmmakers made you care about how important this was.

00:33:39Guest:Because you're thinking, oh, well, it's just a guy who's having trouble talking.

00:33:42Guest:How could that possibly be important?

00:33:43Guest:No, it's World War II.

00:33:44Guest:Like, oh, no.

00:33:45Guest:Radio's just starting to be invented.

00:33:46Guest:We're on the verge of World War II.

00:33:49Guest:And it's huge culturally ingrained that your royalty can speak in the British culture.

00:33:54Guest:So it makes you care immediately why this is so important.

00:33:57Guest:And that's what I thought was really important.

00:33:58Guest:Yeah, public speaking is such a cornerstone of any political figure now in this era.

00:34:04Guest:But back then, like you said, they didn't really have... There was no radio.

00:34:08Guest:They couldn't communicate to the whole country in one fell swoop.

00:34:12Guest:Right.

00:34:12Guest:And so that's why it was so important.

00:34:14Guest:And at that time, you know, like...

00:34:17Guest:you know, that's beginning of World War II where, you know, England almost fell.

00:34:22Guest:Right.

00:34:22Marc:And also I thought it wasn't too heavy-handed the way they got into the psychological sources of this issue and dealing with, you know, the royal family in a sort of like, you know, every family kind of terms and that his problem, you know, with the sort of, and all the class stuff, like the idea that he was going to cross this class line, you know, to get this help and the struggle that went around with that.

00:34:44Marc:And even when...

00:34:45Guest:Only my family calls me Bertie.

00:34:47Marc:Right.

00:34:48Marc:Yeah.

00:34:48Marc:And even when that started to break apart, you know, Jeffrey Rush, what's his name?

00:34:54Marc:His having to accept the fact that, you know, there is this class line.

00:34:58Marc:We aren't all just people.

00:34:59Guest:Yeah.

00:35:00Marc:This is the king and I'm just going to have to eat it.

00:35:02Guest:Yeah.

00:35:03Guest:Yeah.

00:35:03Marc:A lot of that stuff was great.

00:35:05Guest:No, it was really, it was really.

00:35:06Guest:Social network.

00:35:07Guest:Social network.

00:35:08Guest:Excellent movie.

00:35:09Guest:I think that's going to win.

00:35:10Guest:I think it's going to win too.

00:35:11Guest:I think, I think, I think social network is going to have a big night.

00:35:14Guest:I think Social Network and The King's Speech are the two that may win for Best Picture, but I think Social Network's going to win over King's Speech.

00:35:20Guest:And the reason is because it's such an American movie.

00:35:22Marc:And also it talks about this weird shift in the paradigm of how we understand things.

00:35:27Marc:You guys know doing podcasts, and we're starting to experience a little bit of that now where all of a sudden everyone's waking up like, oh my God, this might be what radio is.

00:35:35Guest:No, we're on the cutting edge right now.

00:35:39Guest:And Facebook, we're going to point in history pre-Facebook, like 9-11, pre-9-11, post-9-11.

00:35:47Marc:And the way that Fincher directed this and the way that Sorkin wrote it, so it was as compelling as it was, was no small feat.

00:35:54Marc:And it was pretty fucking spectacular.

00:35:56Guest:I'm a big Aaron Sorkin fan.

00:35:58Guest:Smart motherfucker.

00:35:59Guest:He's so smart.

00:36:00Guest:And he took it from transcripts.

00:36:02Guest:He took a lot of transcripts from transcripts of the, it wasn't a court case.

00:36:07Guest:It never went to court.

00:36:08Guest:Well, all the litigation, whatever.

00:36:11Guest:I think Sorkin did a great job with it.

00:36:13Guest:He's a real genius, that guy.

00:36:15Marc:I'm sure just this sort of foreboding and the darkness of it.

00:36:17Guest:I love Fincher's movies.

00:36:19Guest:I'm on board with him.

00:36:20Guest:I watched Benjamin Button again after this came out, and I was like, I had a greater appreciation of Benjamin Button after seeing Social Network, because I just was like, you know what, I'm in.

00:36:31Guest:I'm a Fincher guy.

00:36:31Guest:Yeah, watch it again.

00:36:32Marc:All right, so Toy Story 3, didn't see it.

00:36:35Marc:I know people love the smart cartoons and the technology that goes into them, and that animation is its own world, and that we should all bow at its amazing, marvelous... Robots.

00:36:46Marc:Yeah, but I didn't see it.

00:36:47Guest:It was pretty amazing.

00:36:49Guest:And the thing that made it so amazing is it wasn't just a typical kind of like Disney or even a Pixar movie.

00:36:54Guest:It actually had real emotion to it, which is, that's really what the feat was.

00:36:57Guest:Towards the end when you actually feel real emotion while watching a cartoon, that's almost unheard of and very unlikely.

00:37:03Guest:And I think that's why it's actually up there.

00:37:05Guest:Are you a Bambi hater?

00:37:07Guest:They have a name for you.

00:37:09Guest:But how many movies like that?

00:37:11Guest:Mamby wasn't white.

00:37:12Marc:What about the one, the guy with the balloon?

00:37:14Marc:Up.

00:37:15Marc:Up.

00:37:15Guest:Yeah, I mean, that was sad.

00:37:16Guest:Okay, you've named three.

00:37:17Marc:What about some episodes of The Flintstones?

00:37:21Guest:Yeah.

00:37:22Guest:When they're at the lodge.

00:37:23Marc:Yeah, he couldn't get into the lodge.

00:37:24Marc:I cried.

00:37:25Guest:We all did.

00:37:25Marc:Yeah, it was horrible.

00:37:26Guest:His feet couldn't start the car.

00:37:28Guest:But what you're saying is that they're sort of perfecting the... It's unusual when that happens, when you have a large emotional impact from an animated movie, and that's going to happen.

00:37:36Guest:Pixar's great.

00:37:37Guest:I mean, you know, most of the time you get Shrek.

00:37:40Guest:Some of my complaints with Toy Story 3 was they sort of repeated some stuff from Toy Story 1.

00:37:45Guest:Like they had all the same toys.

00:37:46Guest:Yeah, it was weird.

00:37:47Guest:No, they just sort of repeated some of the same moments, but it's still a Pixar.

00:37:50Guest:You know, it's one of those like I'll see most of their movies, man.

00:37:53Marc:Yeah.

00:37:54Marc:True Grit.

00:37:54Marc:I had to watch twice to realize, you know, I love the Coen brothers, but I'm like one of these people.

00:37:59Marc:I literally have to watch their movies numerous times.

00:38:01Marc:You have to.

00:38:02Marc:To even be like, I didn't laugh until the second time.

00:38:04Marc:The first time I was kind of half in and half out, thought it was a little flat.

00:38:07Marc:The second time I'm like, like most Coen brothers, I'm like, holy shit, these are comic characters.

00:38:12Marc:Like, you know, until you realize that about no matter how dark and bloody a Coen brother movie gets, they write comic characters.

00:38:18Guest:There's a twisted sense of humor.

00:38:19Guest:Yeah.

00:38:19Marc:I mean, Barry Pepper was fucking genius.

00:38:22Marc:I mean, like, I couldn't, like, believe how the screen lit up.

00:38:25Marc:You so rarely see that guy.

00:38:26Marc:He's an odd actor.

00:38:27Marc:But when he shows up with his teeth all fucked up.

00:38:29Guest:He's unrecognizable.

00:38:30Guest:It's hard to know.

00:38:31Marc:And those ridiculous chaps.

00:38:33Marc:But he just stole the fucking movie in five minutes.

00:38:36Marc:And Josh Brolin in ten minutes, like, really acted the fuck out of that.

00:38:39Marc:Like, I'm a sociopathic moron.

00:38:42Marc:But I literally, as much as I love Jeff Bridges, I had this weird moment right at the beginning, and it happened both times, where I'm like, is he doing Sling Blade?

00:38:53Marc:There was something about the way he garbled his speech that I found irritating.

00:38:57Guest:I think that was an in-joke when they were shooting that movie, because if you notice the way he garbled his speech, and then Matt Damon's character has a problem with his tongue, and then he can't talk.

00:39:06Guest:So it's like, okay, you now have two leads that can't form a sentence.

00:39:08Guest:You know they were laughing on set.

00:39:10Marc:Well, that kind of joke was played in Chinatown, where midway through the movie, he gets his nose cut, so the guy who's supposed to be a snoop can no longer smell.

00:39:18Marc:I mean, there might be... See, now I'm going to have to watch it again to figure out why the people telling the story.

00:39:23Guest:The Coen brothers, man, they do so much shit like that.

00:39:25Guest:They know what they're doing.

00:39:25Guest:That's why I love their filmmakers.

00:39:27Guest:Oh, they're great.

00:39:27Guest:And they're so tight.

00:39:28Guest:They're craftsmen.

00:39:30Guest:You look at Fargo, you think... When you watch that, you realize, oh, these characters are ridiculous.

00:39:34Guest:They're hilarious.

00:39:35Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:39:35Marc:But I thought, I mean, I did think everyone was great.

00:39:38Marc:Matt Damon was great.

00:39:39Marc:The little girl was great.

00:39:40Marc:It looked great.

00:39:41Marc:And like all Coen Brothers movies, at the end, you're sort of like, well, I guess what this means is kind of on me.

00:39:47Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:39:48Guest:Now I'm going to have to interpret it again.

00:39:50Guest:And the great thing is they didn't remake the John Wayne movie.

00:39:53Guest:They went from the book.

00:39:55Guest:They told Jeff Bridges, don't worry about John Wayne.

00:39:59Guest:We're going from the book.

00:40:00Guest:And the John Wayne movie is fine.

00:40:01Marc:It's a great Coen Brothers movie.

00:40:02Marc:I don't think it's the best picture.

00:40:03Guest:yeah i'd like i'd like for it to win i don't know uh winter's bone i didn't see tell me excellent it was a really good movie it was i swear it started a new genre hillbilly noir no man really amazing it's it's like it's like that tv show justified is like a gangster movie but it's meth labs in kentucky and this is kind of like winter's bone and this is the this is the upside of of get it on a screener i'm pissed get it get it watch it i don't know if i got it in send you have netflix

00:40:29Guest:Yeah, it's available now on Netflix.

00:40:31Guest:Yeah, it's available on Netflix.

00:40:32Guest:Watch it.

00:40:32Guest:Because it's like, this is the upside of 10.

00:40:34Guest:I didn't do my homework, fellas.

00:40:36Marc:God damn it.

00:40:37Marc:I'm sorry.

00:40:37Marc:I knew you were coming.

00:40:38Guest:No, I'm serious.

00:40:41Guest:Like, this is the upside of 10 best pictures is because a movie like Winter's Bone can get in there and just, I don't think it's going to win because it's not big enough.

00:40:48Guest:It doesn't have enough muscle behind it politically, but it's an excellent film.

00:40:52Guest:And it's either no-name actors or character actors.

00:40:55Guest:Right.

00:40:55Guest:Like from Deadwood and other movies.

00:40:57Marc:Fucking rock solid, man.

00:40:58Marc:All right, I'm going to watch that tonight.

00:40:59Guest:Here's the thing about it.

00:41:00Guest:When a movie like Winter's Bone gets into Best Picture category, it's already won.

00:41:04Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:05Guest:That movie, it's already won.

00:41:06Marc:Well, that's great.

00:41:06Marc:I'm looking forward to seeing it.

00:41:07Marc:It's a good recommendation.

00:41:08Marc:Now, so we've all decided that we think the social network is going to win.

00:41:11Guest:Yeah, that one's going to win.

00:41:12Marc:All right.

00:41:13Guest:Javier Bardem does a good job in Beautiful.

00:41:15Marc:Yeah, let's just go through these.

00:41:16Marc:Jeff Bridges, True Grit, Jesse Eisenberg for The Social Network, Colin Firth, The King's Speech, James Franco, 127 Hours are the nominees for Best Actor.

00:41:24Marc:Now, Javier Bardem, I didn't see the movie.

00:41:27Marc:I know he's a great actor, but he's got one already.

00:41:31Guest:I think it's going to be Colin Firth.

00:41:32Guest:Yeah, it has to be.

00:41:33Guest:It's got to be.

00:41:34Guest:I will say this.

00:41:35Guest:I'll give the Academy credit.

00:41:37Guest:This is a great category.

00:41:38Guest:Everyone in it is solid.

00:41:39Guest:They all did solid performances.

00:41:41Guest:There's no like, how the fuck did they get in there?

00:41:43Guest:It is.

00:41:43Guest:Although we did bring up that if you watch True Grit, since you've watched it twice, you realize, is Jeff Bridges the lead in that movie?

00:41:49Guest:Right.

00:41:49Marc:No, the girl is.

00:41:50Guest:The girl is the lead.

00:41:51Marc:She gets her best support, doesn't she?

00:41:52Guest:Yeah, but she should really be up for best actress.

00:41:54Guest:She should be best actress.

00:41:55Marc:It's just because of her age.

00:41:56Guest:She's 12.

00:41:57Guest:Yeah.

00:41:57Marc:And that's okay.

00:41:58Marc:I mean, look what it, I mean, it took, what's her name from the piano a long time to regroup after an Oscar, didn't it?

00:42:04Guest:Anna Paquin.

00:42:04Guest:Anna Paquin, yeah.

00:42:05Marc:Didn't she win one when she was four?

00:42:07Guest:Yeah.

00:42:08Guest:Yeah, and that was hard.

00:42:08Guest:And then she made X-Men.

00:42:10Marc:Yeah, I mean, yeah, well, it's better to, I think maybe if she gets best supporting at this age, it's probably better.

00:42:15Marc:Yeah, she won't flip out.

00:42:18Marc:For her mental health.

00:42:18Marc:Yeah.

00:42:19Marc:But okay, so best performance, so we're picking Colin Firth, and I think he deserves it, and I think you're right about saying that this movie has really pulled him out of that sort of saccharine kind of, you know.

00:42:28Marc:Jokey, Benny Hill nonsense.

00:42:30Marc:Or just romantic comedies, British romantic comedies.

00:42:32Marc:Yeah, get him out of the rom-coms.

00:42:33Marc:Best performance by an actress in a leading role, and that Bening for The Kids Are Alright, Nicole Kidman, Rabbit Hole, Jennifer Lawrence, Winters Bone, Natalie Portman, Black Swan, Michelle Williams, and Blue Valentine.

00:42:42Marc:Now I didn't see a lot of these, but I can't even look at Nicole Kidman in a picture.

00:42:47Marc:let alone watch her in a movie.

00:42:50Marc:To me, when Nicole Kidman is anything, I'm like, I can mark that off.

00:42:53Marc:I find her unbearable.

00:42:56Marc:I don't know why.

00:42:56Marc:It's my own personal problem, because you see what I like.

00:42:59Marc:I mean, I like Anne Hathaway.

00:43:00Marc:If you're gonna be a nut, don't be a control freak nut.

00:43:03Marc:Put it all out for us to see.

00:43:04Guest:I think in this category- It's the only honest way to do it.

00:43:08Guest:Exactly.

00:43:09Guest:In this category, for me personally, again, I don't have the crazy thing with Nicole Kidman that you have, but I don't know.

00:43:16Guest:To me, the best performance is Jennifer Lawrence in Winner's Bone.

00:43:20Guest:I don't think she's going to win because she's not a big name, but I hope she does.

00:43:24Guest:Probably they'll give it to Annette Bening.

00:43:26Guest:Really?

00:43:26Guest:Yeah, I don't know.

00:43:27Guest:I don't know.

00:43:28Guest:I like Annette Bening, but Kids Are All Right doesn't.

00:43:31Guest:See, I think it's going to be between Natalie Portman and Michelle Williams.

00:43:34Guest:Yeah, Michelle Williams has been really buzzed about lately.

00:43:37Guest:I gotta see that movie.

00:43:38Guest:Blue Valentine is decent.

00:43:39Guest:For me, the problem with it, I mean, they did a lot of improvisational stuff, which is fine.

00:43:44Guest:It just felt to me like I was in acting class.

00:43:46Guest:It didn't bother me as much of that because you've done a lot of acting.

00:43:50Guest:You probably picked up on it a little bit more, but...

00:43:52Guest:Michelle, if I had to pick which one did kind of a better job, Michelle Williams had a much more understated performance, and it was a little bit better.

00:44:00Guest:So you guys think it's going to be between?

00:44:02Guest:Well, we're splitting.

00:44:03Guest:I think it's going to be between Michelle and Natalie.

00:44:05Marc:I saw Ryan Gosling at the gym, and he was brilliant.

00:44:11Guest:On the Stairmaster?

00:44:12Marc:He really did Ryan Gosling at the gym really well.

00:44:15Guest:He blew out his pecs so great.

00:44:16Marc:Perfectly honest.

00:44:17Marc:All right, best performance by an actor in a supporting role.

00:44:19Marc:We've got Christian Bale in The Fighter, John Hawks, Winter's Bone, Jeremy Renner, The Town, Mark Ruffalo, The Kids Are All Right, and Jeffrey Rush in The King's Speech.

00:44:27Guest:Two-man race.

00:44:28Guest:Who?

00:44:28Guest:Two-man race.

00:44:29Guest:Christian Bale and Jeffrey Rush.

00:44:31Guest:That's who I think it is.

00:44:32Guest:Yeah, I agree with you.

00:44:33Guest:That's who I think it's going to come down to.

00:44:35Guest:Me personally, I would go... I mean, again, I hate to keep shutting... I won't shut up about Winter's Bone.

00:44:41Guest:John Hawks has a great job.

00:44:42Guest:And Jeremy Renner, man...

00:44:43Guest:I'm just on board with that cat after after the hurt.

00:44:46Marc:I think he's great at playing a similar role.

00:44:49Guest:And he was on that reality show that Stephanie Wilder Taylor pointed out of that, like, you know, making it in Hollywood or something where he was like one of the actors they followed around on auditions.

00:45:00Marc:I think he's good, but I think he definitely has that sort of, you know, bad boy actor thing going.

00:45:04Marc:But I think he definitely can hold the screen.

00:45:06Marc:I liked him in this movie.

00:45:07Guest:And he picked up, you know, I was reading an article.

00:45:09Guest:Ben Affleck just said, just talk with these guys from this part of Boston.

00:45:14Guest:And Jeremy just came back and had it.

00:45:17Guest:And Ben was like, shit, he sounds like these fucking mopes that hang out on the corner.

00:45:22Guest:Like he really nailed it.

00:45:23Marc:I like him.

00:45:24Marc:I don't know if it was a best.

00:45:26Marc:I don't know if it was an Oscar performance.

00:45:28Marc:But I certainly thought Christian Bale was.

00:45:30Guest:He's amazing.

00:45:31Guest:I think he's going to win.

00:45:32Marc:i think christian i mean honestly if jeffrey rush doesn't pull it off i think christian bale and christian bale's great because he's sort of a dick that no one understands right and and so like you know as much as you think he deserves it there's a lot of people that are like fuck that guy yeah because he's sort of like you know who is that guy why is he such a dick and then yeah but but that's okay he's a great actor yeah best performance the guy keeps losing weight for roles and putting it back on it's amazing like when you soon as he comes on screaming like oh that doesn't look like batman at all i don't know who that is yeah

00:45:58Marc:There's barely anything there left of him.

00:46:00Marc:Best performance by an actress in a supporting role.

00:46:02Marc:Amy Adams, the fighter.

00:46:03Marc:Helena Bonham Carter, the King's Speech.

00:46:06Marc:Melissa Leo, the fighter.

00:46:08Marc:Haley Steinfeld, True Grit, and Jackie Weaver in Animal Kingdom.

00:46:11Marc:Now, I saw... It's an amazing category.

00:46:14Marc:I saw four of these.

00:46:16Marc:Now, who was... Okay, who was Melissa Leo?

00:46:18Guest:She was the mother.

00:46:19Guest:She was the mother in the fight.

00:46:21Guest:Oh, Jesus.

00:46:21Guest:Was she good?

00:46:22Guest:She's amazing.

00:46:23Guest:Amy Adams is amazing.

00:46:24Guest:But then it's like, whoever wins this...

00:46:27Guest:I mean, Helena Bottom Carter does a fine job.

00:46:29Guest:I'm not taking anything away from her, but it's not as strong as the other four women.

00:46:33Guest:I mean, Haley Steinfeld should win just because she was the lead in True Good, in my opinion.

00:46:39Guest:She carries that fucking movie.

00:46:40Marc:Forget that.

00:46:41Marc:This is amazing for a kid, and then you very quickly move into, this is amazing.

00:46:44Guest:Yeah, it's just amazing.

00:46:46Guest:She carries the movie, not Jeff Bridges.

00:46:48Marc:That's true.

00:46:49Marc:That's true.

00:46:49Marc:All right, but Melissa Leo was fucking genius.

00:46:52Guest:She's amazing.

00:46:52Guest:And again, then.

00:46:53Guest:Where the hell did she come from?

00:46:54Guest:She's been character acting for decades.

00:46:57Guest:You've seen her in a thousand things.

00:46:59Marc:I love that story.

00:47:00Guest:Yeah, great.

00:47:01Guest:She's just been out there just banging around, trying to get work, probably done fucking Clorox ads and shit like that.

00:47:07Guest:With Ricky Gervais.

00:47:09Guest:And honestly, it should be neck and neck between her and Jackie Weaver as the two badass mothers of fucked up families.

00:47:18Guest:You know what I mean?

00:47:18Guest:I'm telling you, Mark, watch Animal.

00:47:20Marc:I've got to watch Animal Kingdom and the other one, Winter's Bone.

00:47:23Marc:Winter's Bone.

00:47:23Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:47:24Marc:And I do got to watch Blue Valentine.

00:47:25Guest:So who do you guys think is going to win this one?

00:47:27Guest:I think, honestly, I think they'll give it to Melissa Leo.

00:47:31Guest:Because the Academy likes to reward people who've been in a long time.

00:47:34Marc:That's right.

00:47:35Marc:And I think she deserves it compared to the... So it would actually be the opposite.

00:47:38Guest:Someone who's been doing it for a while or someone who's kind of new.

00:47:40Guest:Right.

00:47:41Marc:Amy Adams I like.

00:47:43Marc:She's very efficient.

00:47:43Marc:And I've seen her in actually do better...

00:47:47Guest:Yeah, she does a good job, but not at the level that these right Melissa Leo man did.

00:47:52Marc:Yeah.

00:47:53Marc:Yeah.

00:47:53Marc:All right.

00:47:53Guest:She's got a corral all those crazy broads She was great.

00:47:57Marc:I mean like it was like you couldn't take your eyes off her and to the point where you're like, but is this person a real person?

00:48:03Marc:Like is she really that person?

00:48:04Marc:Like, because it was almost... And it was still layered.

00:48:07Guest:It was a layered performance.

00:48:08Guest:No, but you really felt like that she was really the mother.

00:48:10Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:48:10Marc:There's no question.

00:48:10Marc:All right.

00:48:11Marc:Best achievement in directing.

00:48:12Marc:Darren Aronofsky for Black Swan.

00:48:14Marc:Ethan Cohn.

00:48:14Marc:Joe Cohn for True Grit.

00:48:16Marc:David Fincher, The Social Network.

00:48:17Marc:Tom Hooper, The King's Speech.

00:48:19Marc:And David O. Russell, The Fighter.

00:48:20Marc:I...

00:48:21Marc:Who do you pick?

00:48:22Guest:I think this one's anybody's guess.

00:48:24Guest:I think it's Fincher.

00:48:25Marc:I don't think there's a way in hell that he's not going to get.

00:48:27Marc:You know why?

00:48:28Guest:It's either Fincher or the Coen brothers.

00:48:30Guest:In terms of directing, in terms of making an overall picture.

00:48:33Guest:But the Coen brothers did the Coen brothers.

00:48:35Guest:We'll do it two different ways.

00:48:36Guest:Who do you want to win?

00:48:37Guest:Who do you think will win?

00:48:38Marc:Well, I think the Coen brothers did what they do a great job.

00:48:41Marc:And it was definitely a signature Coen brothers movie like even last year's No Country Old Men.

00:48:46Marc:It definitely had a tone.

00:48:47Marc:It was very controlled.

00:48:48Marc:It's very unique.

00:48:49Marc:They are real auteurs.

00:48:50Marc:You know, you know their movies when you watch them.

00:48:52Marc:But I'll tell you something.

00:48:53Marc:What Fincher did with that story.

00:48:55Marc:Yeah.

00:48:56Marc:You know, to make that story compelling.

00:48:58Guest:Every scene, too.

00:48:58Guest:There was not a slow scene.

00:49:00Guest:Not one.

00:49:00Marc:And that was 80 percent him.

00:49:02Marc:I mean, I mean, it was like there was a sort of foreboding in that movie, you know, given that material that that almost almost seemed inappropriate.

00:49:10Marc:But he made that thing compelling.

00:49:11Marc:I mean, the script was great.

00:49:13Marc:But the way that thing felt that there was sort of, you know, trouble at Cambridge, you know, trouble in Harvard, you know, that I think that it was a pretty, pretty amazing bit of directing.

00:49:22Guest:I think it's going to be between David Fincher and Tom Hooper.

00:49:24Guest:I think those are the two that are honestly, I mean, honestly, it's up for the same reasons.

00:49:29Guest:You know, you have something that may or may not have been compelling depending on the director.

00:49:33Guest:And you have two directors that knocked it out of the park and made two basically talking movies.

00:49:37Marc:But it's hard for me not to see someone like Cooper, that movie, where I didn't – I wasn't really paying attention to directing.

00:49:42Marc:It seemed sort of meat and potatoes to me.

00:49:43Marc:But with the social network, I was like, holy shit, this guy did something.

00:49:46Guest:The thing about Tom Hooper, it was meat and potatoes in the shot composition, but the way he directed actors and the way he put everything together was pretty amazing.

00:49:55Guest:Here's the thing about all of these movies, why they're all worthy, is each one of these movies, to me, what makes a good director is they create a world.

00:50:03Guest:They create everything.

00:50:05Guest:And they take you into this world.

00:50:06Guest:Because the director, it's their vision.

00:50:08Guest:They oversee, they cast it, the writing, the...

00:50:12Guest:costume, everything, and each one of these movies takes you into a specific world.

00:50:17Guest:Yeah.

00:50:17Guest:The crazy ballet world, fucking a bunch of micks fighting each other, the limey royalty, rich kids, and the old west.

00:50:26Guest:And the wordy western.

00:50:27Guest:And the wordy western.

00:50:28Guest:Like, any of them, I would probably concur with you that I would probably go Fincher, but any of these win...

00:50:34Marc:You're okay with it.

00:50:35Guest:It's not too hard.

00:50:36Guest:Aronofsky is the only one I would give a second.

00:50:39Guest:I don't think Aronofsky is... It's a half notch below these other guys, but Aronofsky is a good director.

00:50:43Guest:Yeah, he is.

00:50:44Marc:I love David O. Russell because I think he really pushes the envelope, but I think he compromised here, personally.

00:50:50Marc:I'm a guy... I thought Three Kings was a fucking masterpiece.

00:50:54Marc:I think it's one of the best movies ever.

00:50:57Marc:I even like flirting with disaster, spanking the monkey.

00:50:59Marc:I like him.

00:51:01Marc:But I thought...

00:51:02Marc:on some level that he was unclear in his vision in this movie.

00:51:07Guest:Don't you think, though, that maybe that was not necessarily he was unclear and made a bad decision, but he was sort of... It wasn't a bad decision.

00:51:14Guest:There were moments where I'm like, the tone is weird.

00:51:17Guest:Don't you think he was sort of forced to keep it because they were so... These are real people.

00:51:23Marc:Fine.

00:51:23Marc:Yeah, I mean, that's fine.

00:51:24Marc:He had to make compromises because of his job.

00:51:26Marc:I understand that.

00:51:27Guest:But I mean...

00:51:30Guest:He sold out because he's a whore to Mark Wahlberg.

00:51:32Guest:That's fine.

00:51:32Guest:That's his decision.

00:51:33Marc:No, I just thought, like, I would have liked it.

00:51:36Marc:It would have been a smaller movie, and certainly no one was going to let that happen given the talent they had at stake.

00:51:41Marc:I liked the sort of handheld close-up.

00:51:44Marc:I liked the intimacy that he got with much of the movie.

00:51:48Marc:But then there were certain scenes that were played like just, you know, schlocko Hollywood movie.

00:51:52Marc:And I was sort of like, you know, why the change in tone?

00:51:55Marc:It sort of distracted me.

00:51:57Guest:No, I got you.

00:51:58Guest:I hear that.

00:51:59Marc:You know, but, you know, then without that, you don't get those comic pieces where, you know, with Christian Bale jumping into the garbage can twice, you know, but so there were definitely choices made, you know, but but the characterization of addiction and and dysfunctional family when he was shooting it in an intimate way was so menacing.

00:52:17Guest:Yeah.

00:52:18Marc:So like, you know, just just barely not horrendous.

00:52:21Marc:Yeah.

00:52:22Guest:Yeah.

00:52:22Guest:And that, you know, the whole the whole veil of not veil, but the iron fucking curtain of denial that the family's in about Christian Bale's character is is like.

00:52:33Marc:Right.

00:52:33Marc:And to make him truly as cute as a conniving junkie could be is no small task because they all they are very charming.

00:52:40Marc:Yes.

00:52:40Marc:But he had to broaden the scope a little bit so you weren't just sort of like, even though it was a good ending, like this is horrible.

00:52:46Marc:Like Christian Bale's character, there were points in that movie where you were so close to being like, get this guy fucking at him.

00:52:55Marc:And I feel that way with real junkies.

00:52:58Marc:Chris, get out of here.

00:52:59Marc:What?

00:53:00Marc:Best animated feature film of the year.

00:53:02Marc:I saw none of these.

00:53:03Marc:How to Train Your Dragon, The Illusionist, Toy Story.

00:53:04Marc:I saw the trailer for How to Train Your Dragon.

00:53:06Marc:That was good.

00:53:07Guest:Toy Story 3 is going to win this, but How to Train Your Dragon should win it, in my opinion.

00:53:13Guest:I thought it was excellent.

00:53:14Guest:I thought it was what Avatar should have been.

00:53:15Guest:Well, I'm going to see the trailer of the other two and make my decision.

00:53:19Guest:See, I think Toy Story 3 should win.

00:53:22Guest:How to Train Your Dragon was a really good movie, and The Illusionist is impossible to find.

00:53:26Guest:You can't find this movie.

00:53:27Guest:Not even in LA.

00:53:28Guest:Is that part of its promotion?

00:53:29Guest:It must be.

00:53:30Guest:It's a scavenger hunt.

00:53:32Marc:No, it's an illusion.

00:53:34Guest:There was another movie like this last year, like Secret of Kells or something, another animated movie.

00:53:38Guest:You literally couldn't find it.

00:53:38Guest:It played in someone's basement just to get an Academy screening verification, and then it was nowhere.

00:53:46Marc:maybe the illusionist is great I didn't see it so I have no idea good luck finding it best documentary feature now I haven't seen shit now this is exit through the gift shop which I tried to see but I had a fight with my girlfriend in the theater and we left before the movie started it's a hilarious movie it's a very good documentary I'm gonna watch that on can I get that on Netflix

00:54:05Marc:I'm sure you can.

00:54:06Marc:Gasland, Inside Job.

00:54:08Marc:Inside Job is, if you want to know what- Right, the financial meltdown.

00:54:12Guest:Yeah, and why there's no two-party system.

00:54:13Guest:There's just one.

00:54:14Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:54:15Marc:I did a lot of that research for myself.

00:54:17Marc:I'd like to watch it.

00:54:17Marc:Restrepo is- That's the one you just saw.

00:54:19Guest:That's the one I just saw.

00:54:21Guest:Now, I have not seen two of the five movies in this category, but I will say Restrepo is-

00:54:28Guest:an excellent documentary it is about um this small uh outpost in the middle of afghanistan with 20 soldiers that are basically in firefights every day and it was these two filmmakers one of whom was the writer of perfect storm yeah yeah are embedded with these guys for 15 months and it is the most compelling film and true accurate movie about what

00:54:49Guest:Combat soldiers are going through in Afghanistan and it is it is just they just rolled the cameras and showed you they didn't go in there Try to with some agenda like whether you agree with the war or not if you just want to see what these guys go through It's amazing.

00:55:02Guest:It's it's it's a it's a heartbreaking weren't they building something too they had to build at this base

00:55:08Guest:It's a McDonald's, right?

00:55:10Guest:Yeah, they were building a McDonald's and a Chili's in the Fashion Square Mall outside of Baghdad.

00:55:16Marc:That's what we're trying to do.

00:55:17Guest:No, but it's, I mean, literally, I've been to Afghanistan three times.

00:55:21Guest:I just got back from Iraq, and I've been to small bases.

00:55:25Guest:Nothing like this.

00:55:26Guest:And it's real, man.

00:55:28Guest:It is the realist film and there's real emotion and there's no bullshit.

00:55:31Marc:Well, I generally like movies that depict the weird kind of menacing intimacy of what the armed forces are now.

00:55:37Marc:I think that it sort of shifted when you see Apocalypse Now and then you move into Black Hawk Down, which I thought really defined the modern war movie as not being about like, we're all in this together, but we're all in this for ourselves, but we love each other because we're watching each other's back, but we know it's a job.

00:55:52Marc:And it's not about nationalism.

00:55:54Marc:It's not about...

00:55:54Marc:uh, some sort of, you know, cultural or, or, or political agenda.

00:55:58Marc:It's just that we chose this and now we're stuck here and we've got to fucking, you know, take me to watch our asses.

00:56:03Guest:Yeah.

00:56:04Guest:Yeah.

00:56:04Guest:It's, it's, it's, well, things change when there's no draft.

00:56:07Marc:I mean, it's really, well, no, that's, that's a whole different, it's a whole different thing on all volunteer army.

00:56:12Marc:That's an all, like I saw, like even, I watched a hurt locker again the other night and just, yeah,

00:56:16Marc:But on a metaphorical level that, you know, that it was one of those movies where each of those guys sort of represents an emotional archetype of the modern armed forces.

00:56:26Marc:And, you know, that dude who is just even in the coming attraction of Restrepo, which I'll watch tonight.

00:56:30Marc:I apologize.

00:56:31Marc:I didn't watch it where he's like the adrenaline.

00:56:34Guest:It is the most addictive substance on the planet.

00:56:36Marc:Of being shot at.

00:56:36Marc:There's a guy, Chris Hedges, who's one of my favorite writers, wrote a book called War is a Force It Gives Us Meaning about that, about the sort of cortisol, adrenaline, addiction.

00:56:46Marc:Well, that's what the guys get addicted to.

00:56:47Marc:Of that hyper-reality.

00:56:48Guest:That's why they keep going back.

00:56:49Guest:Again, I was just in Iraq a week ago, and there's guys that are like, this is my third tour.

00:56:54Guest:And some of them just...

00:56:56Guest:There's a great scene in Hurt Locker, at the end of Hurt Locker, where he's in the grocery store and his wife goes, pick out cereal.

00:57:02Guest:And he's just staring at it.

00:57:03Guest:And then they cut to him, fuck it, I go back.

00:57:05Guest:And then that's the fictionalized version, which is very accurate.

00:57:09Guest:In Restrepo, they ask a guy, it's in the trailer that's on YouTube that you looked at, where they go, he's talking about, man, firefights are so exciting.

00:57:18Guest:It's better than any roller coaster you're going to be on.

00:57:20Guest:And some guy goes, how are you going to deal with going back in regular society?

00:57:23Guest:He goes, I have no idea.

00:57:25Guest:Right.

00:57:25Guest:I mean, literally, they're at some fire base where they have to set their feces on fire.

00:57:30Guest:That's how they get... That's their waste removal system.

00:57:33Guest:Was that in Restrepo?

00:57:35Guest:Yeah, that's in Restrepo.

00:57:37Guest:They're in a small fire base.

00:57:38Guest:They have no...

00:57:40Guest:Plumbing.

00:57:40Guest:There's no plumbing.

00:57:41Guest:There's not even an outhouse.

00:57:42Marc:I got to see this because I think it's fascinating that that war has sort of transcended this idea of national or political agenda.

00:57:49Marc:And it's just these dudes, they're not even political at some level.

00:57:52Marc:They acknowledge the job.

00:57:54Guest:They just, honestly, it's a compelling film and it's emotional.

00:57:58Guest:There's funny moments.

00:57:59Guest:So you think that's going to win it?

00:58:00Guest:I hope it does.

00:58:01Guest:I really hope it does because if anyone wants to know what it's like, watch this movie.

00:58:06Guest:I mean, Exit Through the Gift Shop is a great documentary, inside job.

00:58:10Guest:But Restrepo, man, it's what documentary filmmaking is all about, in my opinion.

00:58:16Guest:Taking a camera in the middle of some fucking crazy-ass shit, letting the camera roll, and then just going, cutting together, this is the story.

00:58:24Marc:So someone should make one on me.

00:58:26Guest:Yes, yes.

00:58:27Guest:Look around, man.

00:58:28Guest:This is a fucking war zone, this goddamn garage.

00:58:31Guest:These books and cables and shit.

00:58:32Guest:Just put the camera on, whatever it gets, it gets.

00:58:36Marc:So any movies that you feel were not acknowledged that you saw and that you liked?

00:58:41Guest:Well, that's interesting.

00:58:41Guest:Maybe not Oscar worthy, but- That happens less and less when you have 10.

00:58:45Guest:Yeah.

00:58:45Marc:But you know what?

00:58:46Marc:Oddly, I thought that Company of Men, the Ben Affleck, Tommy Lee Jones- The Company Men.

00:58:55Marc:The Company Men, yeah.

00:58:56Marc:was pretty sweet.

00:58:58Marc:I mean, it's not an Oscar movie, but I thought Tommy Lee Jones was fucking spectacular, and Craig T. Nelson was great.

00:59:03Guest:I just saw that, and it's a good film, and they're all good actors.

00:59:06Guest:I think it just was a little... We talked about this on our show.

00:59:08Guest:Yeah, I thought it missed the mark a little bit, but the performances were pretty solid.

00:59:11Guest:The performances were good.

00:59:11Guest:I think that's the thing.

00:59:13Guest:It was just...

00:59:14Guest:No, no, I get it.

00:59:16Marc:It's not an Oscar movie.

00:59:17Guest:It didn't go deep enough.

00:59:18Marc:But like sometimes Tommy Lee Jones is one of those guys where he's got a Tommy Lee Jones thing, but when he plays a beaten man, because you're so used to seeing him play the sort of tough kind of like, you know, seeing it all, but it's still, you know, actively, you know, working the angles and, you know, on top of the situation, you know, here, you know, he's reflective.

00:59:36Guest:Weary.

00:59:36Guest:He's heavy hearted.

00:59:37Marc:Yeah, he literally looks weary.

00:59:39Marc:And I thought that was pretty great.

00:59:40Guest:I would say the movie that, Kick-Ass, that movie, I love that movie so much.

00:59:44Guest:Oh, yeah, it was a good movie.

00:59:46Marc:Which one, Kick-Ass?

00:59:46Guest:Kick-Ass.

00:59:47Marc:Oh, yeah, was that this year?

00:59:48Guest:Yeah, it was a great, compelling film, and I think it wasn't a bubblegum movie.

00:59:54Guest:It was what, if people were really just deciding to go out and fight crime, how they would actually be.

00:59:59Guest:I love the movie.

01:00:00Guest:They'd get their ass kicked.

01:00:01Guest:Get their ass kicked, and they're nuts.

01:00:03Guest:There's crazy fuckers in there that just want to kill bad guys.

01:00:07Guest:And the little girl in it, she's amazing, man.

01:00:10Marc:I also want to shout out to the wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia.

01:00:17Marc:Did you see that?

01:00:18Marc:No.

01:00:18Marc:Dude.

01:00:20Guest:Oh, I heard that's good.

01:00:21Guest:Yeah, I haven't seen it either.

01:00:22Marc:Well, I think there's two now.

01:00:23Marc:No, I just watched it.

01:00:24Marc:Yeah, The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia is a documentary.

01:00:28Marc:Johnny Knoxville produced and directed it.

01:00:30Marc:And it's about this family of hill folk in West Virginia who are all descendants of this famous hillbilly tap dancer.

01:00:41Marc:And, and just like the, and it's a mining town and they're all fucked up on drugs.

01:00:46Marc:They're all crazy.

01:00:47Marc:They're all like, you know, constantly in trouble and it's sort of sad, but they are all fighting for screen time.

01:00:53Marc:I mean, they, you know, they're like, there's like this concern of like, are they being exploited?

01:00:57Marc:No, these fucking freaks could not be more excited to get in front of that camera.

01:01:01Marc:Like one of the daughters is a stripper.

01:01:03Marc:One of them is like, you know, blown his brains out once.

01:01:05Marc:And I mean, it's, it's worth seeing.

01:01:07Guest:I, that's to me again, I,

01:01:09Guest:I love a good documentary that takes the audience into some freak world, some subculture that we had never seen, never knew about, had no clue.

01:01:18Guest:And you see it and go, holy shit, this world's nuts.

01:01:22Marc:All right.

01:01:22Marc:So let's just run through our picks again.

01:01:23Marc:So for best picture, we've decided that it's going to be the social network.

01:01:27Marc:Yeah.

01:01:27Marc:We're all on board with that.

01:01:28Guest:Yeah.

01:01:28Guest:I think it's going to be social network.

01:01:29Marc:Best performance by an actor.

01:01:30Marc:We're pretty sure it's Colin Firth and we're okay with that.

01:01:33Guest:I think he's going to win.

01:01:34Guest:Yeah.

01:01:34Marc:Best performance by an actress somewhere on the fence here.

01:01:37Guest:Yep.

01:01:37Guest:I go Jennifer Lawrence Wintersbone.

01:01:39Guest:That's who I go.

01:01:39Guest:I think it's going to be Michelle Williams or Natalie Portman.

01:01:42Marc:I think it's going to be Natalie Portman.

01:01:44Guest:I wouldn't mind if she won.

01:01:45Guest:I like Natalie Portman.

01:01:46Marc:And I find her to be an American version of the same type of hyper-controlled personality as Nicole Kidman.

01:01:53Marc:I have a problem with control freaks in general.

01:01:56Marc:But for this role, it was perfect.

01:01:59Marc:Yeah.

01:02:00Marc:Best performance by an actor in a supporting role.

01:02:02Marc:I think we're going.

01:02:03Marc:I'm going with Christian Bale.

01:02:05Guest:I think he should win too.

01:02:06Guest:Christian Bale or Jeffrey Rush, but it's probably going to be Christian Bale.

01:02:09Guest:I'd love to see Jeremy Renner win, but Christian Bale did a great job.

01:02:12Marc:Best performance by an actress in a supporting role.

01:02:15Marc:I'm all for Melissa Leo.

01:02:17Guest:So am I. I would love to see Haley Steinfeld win as well because she carried True Grit.

01:02:21Guest:But if Melissa Leo wins, it's great.

01:02:23Guest:It's justice.

01:02:24Guest:She's earned it.

01:02:25Guest:We know it's not a fluke.

01:02:26Guest:Yeah, we know it's not a fluke.

01:02:27Marc:Let's let Haley do one more movie.

01:02:29Guest:Yeah, that's what they're going to do.

01:02:30Guest:They're going to let the 14-year-old go.

01:02:32Guest:She's going to have a long career.

01:02:33Guest:Yeah, we'll see what the next choice she makes is.

01:02:35Marc:Yeah, and 30 years from now.

01:02:37Guest:Hopefully it won't be Hound Dog.

01:02:38Marc:How old is she?

01:02:39Marc:14.

01:02:40Marc:Well, I think the real task is to cast her in an adult romantic comedy.

01:02:45Guest:Yeah, she needs to replace Katherine Heigl.

01:02:48Guest:Bump into something and sneeze.

01:02:50Marc:Best achievement in directing.

01:02:52Guest:I'm going with Fincher and I'm happy with that choice anybody on this category that wins I'd be happy with Fincher or Hooper best animated feature I like the trailer of how to train your dragon it's a good movie but Toy Story 3 is going to win Toy Story 3 is going to win me personally I was more emotionally invested in how to train your dragon than Toy Story 3 just because like I said I thought Toy Story 3 repeated some shit that's the only thing I can't chime in on best documentary you like dragons yeah how can you not like dragons

01:03:21Marc:I can't chime in on this, but I'm certainly going to see Restrepo.

01:03:25Guest:I don't, you know, honestly, I don't know, like from just a political guess point, I don't know if Inside Job or Exit Through the Gift Shop have more muscle behind them.

01:03:35Guest:But again, in my opinion, Restrepo- Well, whoever got a screen, or did you get a check with it?

01:03:39Guest:Yeah.

01:03:40Guest:Just let us know.

01:03:40Guest:A little envelope.

01:03:41Guest:That's what I'm saying.

01:03:42Guest:A little something downtown.

01:03:43Guest:I think Restrepo, the best documentary feature.

01:03:45Marc:Now, obviously, there's a lot of awards that go out to people that we're not acknowledging here, but God, we appreciate your work, don't we?

01:03:51Yes.

01:03:51Marc:Keep it up.

01:03:53Marc:And we'll probably be getting soda and chips.

01:03:56Guest:Yeah.

01:03:57Guest:Well done, Roger Deakins.

01:03:58Guest:Sound mixing.

01:03:59Guest:God bless you guys.

01:04:00Guest:It's very important.

01:04:01Guest:It is.

01:04:01Guest:But we don't have all that time.

01:04:03Guest:Mix some shit up.

01:04:04Guest:Nice work.

01:04:04Guest:Good luck with it.

01:04:07Marc:Your parents and I are very happy.

01:04:08Marc:I'm sure you'll do fine.

01:04:09Marc:Graham Elwood, Chris Mancini, Comedy Film Nerds.

01:04:12Marc:Their podcast is available on iTunes.

01:04:14Marc:Do you have a website?

01:04:14Guest:ComedyFilmNerds.com.

01:04:16Guest:That's very clever.

01:04:16Guest:You like that?

01:04:17Marc:Yes.

01:04:17Marc:Thanks for being here, guys.

01:04:18Marc:Thanks, buddy.

01:04:20Marc:Okay, thanks to those guys for coming down.

01:04:26Marc:That was a fun chat, a lively chat.

01:04:29Marc:Let's see who wins.

01:04:30Marc:Let's see what happens.

01:04:31Marc:Let's see where it goes.

01:04:34Marc:I'm excited.

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01:05:06Marc:I'm going to watch the Oscars.

01:05:09Marc:Part of them anyways.

01:05:11Marc:I'll probably go in and out.

01:05:12Marc:I'll probably have them on and go to the computer and tweet.

01:05:15Marc:Not about the Oscars though.

01:05:17Marc:Tweet about something else going on in my head.

01:05:21Marc:I'll probably just... Nah, I don't know.

01:05:23Marc:I'll watch the good ones.

01:05:25Marc:The ones I'm excited about.

01:05:29Marc:Have a good time.

01:05:30Marc:How's that?

01:05:31Marc:Is that the way I'm going to fucking end?