Episode 1417 - O'Shea Jackson Jr.
Guest:Lock the gates!
Marc:All right, let's do this.
Marc:How are you, what the fuckers?
Marc:What the fuck, buddies?
Marc:What the fuck, Nicks?
Marc:What's happening?
Marc:I'm Mark Maron.
Marc:This is my podcast.
Marc:Today, I talked to O'Shea Jackson Jr.
Marc:He played Ice Cube in the movie Straight Outta Compton.
Marc:He's also Ice Cube's son.
Marc:He's also been in Den of Thieves, Long Shot with Seth Rogen, the Star Wars series, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and he's in Cocaine Bear, which is in theaters now.
Marc:I did not...
Marc:ever talk to his father his father was supposed to come at some point then cancel we don't know why but this is ice cube son and we had a great talk we had a good time laughs nice pace talked about his relationship with cube and then as he was uh walking out i said tell your dad to do the show tell i is it the jewish thing tell him i'm one of the good ones
Marc:And O'Shea laughed and then said, we'll leave it at that.
Marc:So I don't know.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I don't know if that was the best parting shot, but it happened.
Marc:It happened.
Marc:But it was an enjoyable conversation.
Marc:So what is going on?
Marc:Well, first of all, I'm still doing this vegan thing.
Marc:And as I told you guys,
Marc:I got a little strung out on the cigars, and I knew it was happening, but it happened.
Marc:I got strung out.
Marc:You can only justify that it's vegetation for so long.
Marc:And I got hopped up on nicotine, and I got addicted to fucking nicotine, so I had to get off of those.
Marc:So the last three or four days, I just went cold turkey.
Marc:I was smoking at least one cigar a day.
Marc:And that's a lot of nicotine.
Marc:You're not inhaling them, but you're absorbing that shit.
Marc:So I had to deal with the goddamn nicotine Jones.
Marc:I had to deal with the little, the nicotine withdrawal, which is not nothing.
Marc:You get pretty fidgety.
Marc:You drop things.
Marc:You're a little like jerkish, easily aggravated.
Marc:But I knew what was going on.
Marc:It's interesting to have lived a life and been through so many different types of withdrawal or had enough experience with certain types of addiction.
Marc:It could be sugar, anything, anything that jacks that dopamine up.
Marc:And then once it's pulled out, you got to reckon with that.
Marc:And I was pretty cool about it.
Marc:So I think I'm out of the woods in terms of physical addiction.
Marc:Now I just have to, you know, not romanticize the fucking things.
Marc:My idea around those is like I'm not a regular cigar guy.
Marc:You know, I'm not a cigar bro.
Marc:I'm a guy that enjoys a drug and I'll do it by myself on my porch and just sit there and get sweaty and nauseous alone.
Marc:And I don't inhale, but it gets in there, and I was having a hard time breathing, so I kicked.
Marc:I'm day four kicking.
Marc:Always, it's good to stay busy.
Marc:And there's no better way to stay busy than to get compulsive about something, maybe get addicted to it, and then take it out of your life.
Marc:Makes things just exciting, and you don't know, you can't trust your emotions for a few days.
Marc:Yeah, never a dull moment.
Marc:And it's not like I'm not doing stuff, you guys.
Marc:I mean, I'm busy.
Marc:I'm taking trash cans in back and forth.
Marc:I'm doing laundry.
Marc:I'm washing dishes.
Marc:I'm cooking lentils.
Marc:You know, I'm playing with cats.
Marc:I'm cleaning boxes.
Marc:I'm cataloging things.
Marc:I'm sending stuff to Goodwill.
Marc:My days are full.
Marc:I'm talking to celebrities.
Marc:I was taking my cans back in when Brooke Shields showed up and offered help.
Marc:And I said, no, that's not part of it.
Marc:This is not part of the experience, Brooke.
Marc:I'll take this cam back and you and I'll sit down and chat.
Marc:What a great thing that was.
Marc:Talking to Brooke Shields right here.
Marc:The show at Largo went great.
Marc:The band never sounded better.
Marc:We nailed War Frat.
Marc:We did good on Ring of Fire.
Marc:We did good on What Goes On.
Marc:Did beautiful on Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain.
Marc:Did a nice Hey Joe.
Marc:Did a nice blues jam up front.
Marc:We didn't get to the George Jones number because I rambled on too long.
Marc:But I'm talking about my life.
Marc:And it's weird when I talk about my life as it currently stands, you know, my relationship with Kit, where I'm at mentally, where I'm at with, you know, my certain belief around how many fucks I need to give about almost everything at this point.
Marc:I mean, what am I going to do?
Marc:I've said my piece and I've said it over and over again.
Marc:And to some people, it's salve.
Marc:It makes them feel better.
Marc:You know, but no joke I do about the reality of impending fascism is going to stop fascism.
Marc:You know, the jig is up in terms of how we've insulated ourselves into our certain, you know, intake universes.
Marc:And it doesn't matter.
Marc:It's not like I'm going to do a joke about fascism and it's going to go viral and all the fascists are going to start crying and realize it's their dads or that they really want dick.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:What an amazing joke.
Marc:Fascists around the world are crying and and and hugging each other.
Marc:And some of it is ending up in fairly aggressive but consensual gay sex around the world because of this one Marc Maron joke.
Marc:Amazing.
Marc:And a lot of them are just, you know, screaming about their fathers in the midst of fits.
Marc:What an amazing joke that was.
Marc:Now we're back to some progressive policy and a more tolerant world.
Marc:Thank God for that one Marc Maron joke about fascism.
Marc:I don't know if that's going to happen.
Marc:I don't think so.
Marc:So in light of that, how much do I have to say?
Marc:What haven't I said?
Marc:How many times do I got to say it before it's sort of like, I did all I could.
Marc:I did all I could.
Marc:And that's not giving up.
Marc:It's just sort of like, there it is.
Marc:Take it.
Marc:I'm going to go have a shot at enjoying the atmospheric river.
Marc:When are planes going to start falling out of the sky?
Marc:That's my worry.
Marc:It's like, you know, it's like with all this shifting weather, you don't hear a lot about like, you know, I've heard a couple of stories about some massive turbulence.
Marc:Like it's how much, how long is it going to be before air travel is grounded because of insane weather in the upper levels of the atmosphere?
Marc:Huh?
Marc:See, now, what did I just do?
Marc:I just created a new thing to worry about for people who hadn't thought about that.
Marc:And I have no solution for it because it's over.
Marc:And I just kind of want to go, you know, sit somewhere and look at pleasant wildlife and water.
Marc:Do you hear me?
Marc:Are you hearing me?
Marc:Is everything all right?
Marc:Okay, look, I had a good time talking to O'Shea Jackson, and I think you'll have a good time listening to it.
Marc:Cocaine Bear is currently playing in theaters, and this is me talking to O'Shea.
Okay.
Marc:You're a studio kid.
Marc:You spent your childhood sitting at a giant board of knobs.
Guest:Yeah, not knowing what's going on.
Marc:Yeah, I can't.
Marc:Like, I imagine you were just sitting there.
Marc:Because, I mean, when were you born?
Marc:91.
Marc:So what was he working on then?
Marc:And when do you first remember sitting there at your dad's, at the board?
Guest:Well, it's not the house I grew up in, but the first house that I can remember.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We had a studio...
Guest:in the backyard.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I would constantly hear, you know, beats of songs that were never made and stuff like that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But, you know, loud music is where I'm most comfortable.
Guest:My mom was pregnant with me in the studio.
Marc:With the bass going.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:808s.
Marc:It's funny, man, that...
Marc:Like, I play music, but music guys, that's all they do all day long.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Like, you know, when you say there's a lot of stuff that wasn't released, there's always more stuff.
Guest:Yeah, always.
Marc:Because people don't realize that's all they're doing is sitting out there doing that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Right?
Guest:Every day.
Guest:My dad, during the pandemic, built a studio in the house so he didn't have to go anywhere.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, like, there's no way he's not deaf.
Yeah.
Guest:It's like crazy.
Guest:Shakes the house.
Guest:But he loves it?
Guest:He loves it, man.
Guest:When he goes on the road, it's different.
Guest:You know, my dad, to me, O'Shea Jackson.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Ice Cube, when he gets in his Ice Cube mode, man, kid in a candy store.
Guest:I love, when I was 18, my dad took me on the road.
Guest:And I was with my older brother, Daryl.
Guest:Hype man, built the set.
Guest:I was part of crew.
Guest:Broke down the set when it's time to leave.
Guest:And it's just something about seeing him on stage when he's on one, like when he's in it.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Man, you could just tell he's the happiest he could be.
Guest:I love that part of him.
Marc:Well, there is something about that crew of guys.
Marc:You know, as they get older and they've branched out, that, you know, whatever that original character was is just part of a spectrum of characters, right?
Marc:Right.
Marc:And they all seem like, you know, I remember when culturally you just start seeing these guys soften up a little bit.
Marc:You're like, hey.
Yeah.
Marc:They're not so mad.
Guest:They're not so... I mean, my dad, you know, when he was his hottest, one of the most feared humans on the planet Earth.
Guest:Right.
Guest:His best song, like his number one song is, Today Was a Good Day.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like, you know?
Marc:Right.
Marc:But, I mean, was it... Because I'm not, like, a huge, you know, rap guy.
Marc:I know enough.
Marc:And I like... You were great in the movie.
Marc:But I think that's where...
Marc:I learned the most about that stuff.
Marc:You know, you can hear about it and see documentaries about it.
Marc:But, you know, to have it unfold as a narrative, he was happy with it.
Marc:Was everyone happy with it?
Guest:Oh, absolutely.
Marc:You know, everybody signed off on that thing.
Guest:Yeah, dude, that was a straight out of Compton.
Guest:I got into acting strictly because of that movie.
Guest:I was supposed to be a writer.
Guest:That's what I wanted to do.
Marc:Wait, so, like, let's go back, though.
Marc:Like, when you're a kid, you got an older brother and two other sibs?
Guest:Yeah, I got an older brother, Daryl, and then I got my little sister, Kareemah, and my little brother, Sheree.
Guest:How much older is Daryl?
Guest:Daryl is about four and a half, five years.
Guest:Oh, really?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Wow.
Marc:Your dad must have been a kid when he had him.
No.
Guest:But my brother Daryl is from a previous relationship with my mom.
Guest:Oh, it's from your mom.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The thing that signed off my whole existence is how Daryl and my dad connected from the jump.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like it was, you know, like my mom describes it as magic.
Guest:Really?
Guest:They just instantly loved each other.
Guest:And as a lady, when you see that with your kid, it's like, yeah, that's the guy.
Guest:That's the guy for sure.
Marc:They instantly loved each other.
Guest:They loved each other.
Guest:What's that guy do, Daryl?
Guest:Daryl is, he's on the music side.
Guest:I'm on the movie side.
Guest:My brother's on the music side.
Yeah.
Guest:He previously was trying to find artists, but anybody who's in that field knows how much of a headache artists can be.
Guest:But my brother, he has a talent.
Guest:I call Daryl the bridge.
Guest:Daryl can get connections to everything.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:You want in, you got to talk to Daryl.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Daryl will get you in.
Guest:He's got guys.
Guest:He connects.
Guest:He knows the guy.
Guest:Wherever he goes, he networks.
Guest:He's just a beast at that.
Marc:And so, like, that's what he'd do.
Marc:So it's funny.
Marc:So, like, you guys really kind of grew up in show business in a way.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So, but, like, your earliest memories, like, I mean, is it...
Marc:Was the... Who was the cast of characters?
Marc:I mean, was Dre around?
Marc:Or was that after?
Marc:Was he born after?
Guest:No, nobody really from N.W.A.
Guest:except for later in life.
Guest:I had...
Guest:I had a connection with MC Ren and DJ Yellow.
Guest:They were on the road a bunch of times.
Guest:But no, my dad has kind of had the same tight circle.
Guest:We've lost a couple of members, actually a lot of members.
Guest:Rest in peace DJ Crazy Tunes, my Uncle Star, Big Herc.
Guest:But yeah, it's just my family has been such a tight-knit group.
Guest:It wasn't music videos all the time around the house.
Guest:I think the artist besides my dad that I have the biggest connection with is probably Dub C. That's my dad's right-hand man.
Marc:Oh, yeah?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And that's your whole life.
Marc:Mm-hmm.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But, like, when you're growing up, because, you know, to pull back the veil a little bit, I mean, like, your grandparents are around, right?
Guest:Or were?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And they were part of your life?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like, that was pretty normal, right?
Guest:You know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I just lost my mom's mom, my grandmother Dolores, a little over a year ago.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Hit the family hard.
Guest:But, yeah, my grandparents...
Guest:Still, they were a major part of my life.
Guest:Normal life, you know, my dad's just on TV.
Marc:I know.
Marc:But you said he's on TV, but he was also, like you said, like the most feared person in the world.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But, you know, I have to assume...
Marc:Like, he always had a good relationship with his folks, right?
Guest:Yeah, absolutely.
Marc:And they're proud of him and everything else?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he's the baby of his side of the family.
Guest:So, like, when you're the youngest and you knock it out the park like that, yeah, you're the pride and joy.
Marc:And I have to imagine that, because I'm just drawing this conclusion on my own.
Marc:We're doing this whole wrestling thing.
Marc:So we recently went to AEW, and I interviewed Tony Khan and Jericho and Friedman and Cole Cabana, I know.
Marc:I interviewed Punk years ago.
Marc:Punk was on my TV show.
Guest:Punk is a friend of mine.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Mick Foley, we used to interview all the fucking guys.
Guest:Legend.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But I'm just starting to realize that when you're talking about...
Marc:you know, seeing your dad in that zone of when he's Ice Cube is that there is a wrestling component to it in the sense that, like, this is the thing, right?
Guest:That's the character, right?
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:And, like, my dad has done an amazing job of staying true to himself, so there's a lot of components of my dad that make up Ice Cube, but, like...
Guest:You know, the idea of Ice Cube, you know, it's not the dad I know.
Guest:You know, my dad likes to joke around.
Guest:My dad is goofy as hell.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He's got jokes for days.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Ice Cube don't got jokes.
Guest:Ice Cube beat your ass.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right, but it's almost a heel.
Guest:Yeah, well, like, hey, he's the dude you love to hate.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It is what it is, you know?
Guest:You got to respect him.
Marc:Yeah, and so, okay, so you're growing up, but where'd...
Marc:How did you decide I'm writing?
Marc:Did you go to school for writing?
Guest:No.
Guest:I went to Wilbur Elementary and then Patola Middle School.
Guest:Where's this?
Guest:Shout out to the Valley people, 818.
Guest:And, you know, seventh grade, my parents had a revelation.
Guest:They just decided LAUSD sucks.
Guest:And they just felt like...
Guest:They weren't teaching us the right things, or we weren't learning at the pace we should.
Guest:All of you?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We all went to homeschool, and we were under— Homeschool?
Guest:We were under New York School District, which is, like, way ahead of LAUSD.
Guest:Like, what do you mean, like, under New York School District?
Guest:Like, we had—the school for young performers is the—
Guest:homeschool program that we were under.
Guest:Oh, I see.
Guest:And the curriculum was under New York School District.
Guest:So I'm learning things that my friends aren't, you know, LAUSD, you're going to repeat the same thing for about four or five years.
Marc:But they're just trying to keep you, like, you know, out of the streets.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:It's like their job, they're just... You're going to be a modern citizen, all right?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:But, yeah, so I had homeschool, and I had two... What does that mean?
Marc:Your mom just oversaw everything?
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:We had, like, a principal.
Guest:We had teachers that come in every day.
Guest:And, yeah, my school was the pool house.
Guest:Only chick at school was my sister.
Guest:You know, it was whack.
Guest:I hated it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then... Yeah, your social life.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because I went in at seventh grade, I already had friends and things that I could go to parties.
Marc:You could go complain about homeschool.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:To your friends.
Guest:But the two teachers that I had in homeschool changed my life forever.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:Who were they?
Guest:A guy by the name of Hernan de la Alde.
Guest:What did he teach?
Guest:Everything.
Guest:When you got a homeschool teacher, they teach every period.
Marc:What are you learning from your old man?
Marc:you know, in terms of life versus what you learned from this guy?
Marc:Because these are the two influences, and they both seem pretty stable.
Guest:Well, you know, standard dad talk, lessons, you know, when you mess up, you're about to get a whole little, you know, just lecture.
Guest:But there were certain things that...
Guest:You know, like, as a dad, you don't think to talk about it.
Guest:I'm a dad now.
Guest:So, like, you know, I got a five-year-old, and I have to figure out how to make this little lady a modern citizen, just like L-A-U-S-B.
Guest:But what Hernan taught me was...
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Yeah, he taught me to look at films that I wouldn't normally look at.
Guest:He showed me in class.
Guest:He showed me Patton.
Guest:He showed me Dr. Strangelove.
Guest:He showed me Rushmore.
Guest:He showed me things that normally I wouldn't look at, but he told me, dude, you have to check this out.
Guest:Patton.
Guest:That's an interesting one.
Guest:And from there, I kind of got a feeling for, oh, Blazing Saddles also.
Guest:I kind of got a feel for cinema from there.
Guest:And one day in class, I was a heavy daydreamer.
Guest:I daydream all day.
Guest:And he threw my notebook down on the desk and said, write whatever you're thinking about because you're not here right now.
Guest:Interesting.
Guest:And I started writing.
Guest:And I wrote a 120-page handwritten story.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he let me do that for 30 minutes a day in class.
Guest:Just write your story.
Marc:And he was the agreement that you would pay attention after that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, you got to have a barter.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So from there, he read it and he says, you ever thought about.
Guest:Like, you know, this is really good.
Guest:You ever thought about making film?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No.
Guest:And he goes, that's literally what your dad does.
Guest:And you've never thought about it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So from there, he got me.
Guest:I got a teacher, Bill Rubenstein, who taught me how to write scripts.
Marc:Bill Rubenstein.
Guest:Who's that guy?
Guest:Where'd you get him?
Guest:I just know him as Bill Rubenstein.
Guest:Was he a homeschool guy?
Guest:Yeah, he showed up.
Guest:After I was done with school, Bill would come in.
Guest:Who hired him?
Guest:My parents.
Guest:I forget who told us about him, but shout out to Bill Rubenstein.
Guest:Without you, I wouldn't have got to college.
Guest:And I had another teacher, Rochelle Nondorf.
Guest:I love you to death, Rochelle, wherever you are, from Racine, Wisconsin.
Guest:She gave me a journal.
Guest:And on the front of the journal, it had a quote from Henry David Thoreau.
Guest:Go confidently in the direction of your dreams and live the life that you've imagined.
Guest:And I have held that thing since I was 17, bro.
Guest:That is my quote.
Guest:That's what I do.
Guest:So like without them showing me, I wouldn't have known that I'm good at writing.
Guest:Most people don't know what they're good at because it comes easy to them.
Guest:They're not thinking about it.
Marc:Or they just give up.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You give up because you're not looking in the right place.
Marc:Or you don't know.
Guest:You don't know what you don't know.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:You know, and it's like, I hate writing, personally.
Marc:It is a headache.
Marc:I've written a lot, you know, but like, you know, I've written a couple books and some scripts for my shows or whatever, but I never wrote, like I never saw it as my job.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Or I never wanted to because it is the most tedious fucking, like to sit there and have to write is a fucking nightmare for me.
Guest:You literally have to make time out the day.
Marc:Yeah, and then once you get going, you discover things about yourself that you didn't know, right?
Marc:Especially if you're journaling.
Marc:You're like, oh, my God, I never put this together because it comes together on the page, and it's sort of great.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:But to get there...
Marc:It's just a lot of time.
Marc:It makes me mad.
Guest:When you have, like, inspiration is the, man, if I could bottle that, you know, you'd be a billionaire.
Marc:Well, what you're writing, though, in your journal, you're writing about yourself, but the stories and stuff.
Guest:Yeah, it was the journal I had filled with
Guest:Oh, that's a good idea.
Guest:Oh, that's a good one.
Marc:Well, yeah, I do that with jokes.
Marc:I mean, I write bits, ideas down.
Marc:Sometimes they're ridiculous, and I don't even know what I meant by them.
Guest:Like, yeah, if you don't write it in detail, everybody who, like, creates knows that feeling of, oh, I'll remember.
Marc:Sure, yeah, just put this word down.
Marc:You know, just put, like, pears.
Marc:And you're like, what the fuck is that?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Wait, quick story.
Guest:One of my favorite Beatles stories.
Guest:When the Beatles were, when they discovered marijuana.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, sure.
Guest:When they called it marijuana.
Guest:Paul McCartney, he came up with the meaning of life.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:And he wrote it down on a piece of paper and gave it to the security guard.
Guest:It was like, show me this because I'm not going to remember.
Guest:So the next day, he gets the piece of paper.
Guest:And the piece of paper says, there are seven levels.
Marc:What the hell does that mean?
Marc:It might be true, but we're never going to know.
Marc:You gave no detail.
Marc:I'll remember.
Marc:But your dad must have been writing all the fucking time.
Guest:Constantly.
Marc:This is sadly one of the problems I have with rap in general.
Marc:I'm sort of a riff guy.
Marc:I'm like a melody guy.
Marc:I'm like a music guy.
Marc:I know when something's catchy, but I get exhausted if I have to listen to words too much.
Yeah.
Marc:On a podcast.
Marc:I know.
Marc:I know.
Marc:Like, I'm playing music now, and I'm playing songs I've known my whole life, but I don't know the fucking words.
Marc:Isn't that weird?
Guest:Come on, man.
Marc:I know, dude.
Marc:You don't know the words?
Marc:No, I got to learn the words.
Marc:I know them kind of, but they're kind of wrong.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But rap is so decisive.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it's like when I listen to it, I got to really listen to it.
Marc:There's nothing easy about it.
Marc:Yeah, no.
Marc:You know?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But I imagine if you grew up with it and if that's the way the brain works, it just comes natural.
Guest:Yeah, that's what my ear always had.
Guest:And when a song would get in my head when I was a kid and I'm rapping it in the house, my mom would tell me, do you know what that means?
Guest:Do you know what you just said?
Guest:No?
Guest:She ruined Rough Rider's anthem for me because she told me, you know you're singing about robbing people.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm sorry.
Guest:You know?
Guest:I just like DMX, mom.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But isn't that part of it?
Guest:Yeah, but she just likes, she taught me at five years old, pay attention to what you're saying.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Listen to what people are saying.
Guest:Buzzkill.
Guest:Important lesson.
Guest:Yeah, sure.
Guest:You know, it's a parent thing.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I can't wait to be a buzzkill for my daughter.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:I'm going to ruin everything.
Guest:To save her.
Guest:Right?
Marc:But it's funny, though, like, you know, being growing up around, you know, what you grew up around that your life guiding quote is Thoreau.
Marc:That's something that someone like your dad wrote.
Guest:He wrote some good ones.
Guest:Henry David Thoreau.
Guest:I just asked on Twitter, what's one thing that your parents used to say that you say to people now?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My thing is, used to is a rooster that don't crow no more.
Guest:If you ever hear somebody say, oh, yeah, we used to be, oh, yeah, I used to.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Used to is a rooster that don't crow no more.
Marc:Where'd you get that one?
Guest:My mom.
Guest:Where'd she get it?
Guest:I have no idea.
Guest:That sounds like some old-timey shit.
Guest:That is like, it's deep, but it's true every time.
Guest:Yeah, shoulda, woulda, coulda.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What's something that your parents, that you took on?
Guest:What time are you going to be home?
Guest:Turn off the light.
Turn off the light.
Marc:Call if you're going to be late.
Marc:I don't know if there was much wisdom coming down from my parents.
Guest:A lot of orders.
Marc:Well, barely, you know.
Marc:Another one was like, do you need dessert?
Guest:That's probably the... That's such a shot to the ribs.
Guest:You need that?
Guest:Exactly.
Marc:Are you sure?
Marc:Yeah, I got that a lot from my mother.
Marc:That's the wisdom.
Marc:You don't need to eat that.
Marc:Yeah, come on.
Marc:Yeah, come on, Chunky.
Yeah.
Marc:Got to keep that self-esteem low, baby.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:That's what they did.
Marc:That's how I was brought up.
Marc:I don't recommend it.
Marc:All right, so you're gung-ho writing?
Marc:Right now?
Guest:No, I mean then.
Marc:So what did you end up doing?
Marc:So you went to college to study writing?
Guest:Yeah, I went to USC.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Yeah, screenwriting.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And you did the whole thing?
Guest:The whole shebang-a-bang.
Guest:And then in the middle of my second year, I'm at my parents' house eating cereal, as one does.
Guest:And my dad comes in the kitchen.
Guest:He goes, hey, so they're taking this NWA movie pretty serious.
Guest:And I'm like, cool, dad.
Guest:I'm happy for you.
Guest:And he goes, no, in a perfect world, I would want you to play me.
Guest:And in my mind, I'm like, ugh.
Guest:You know, no disrespect to filmmakers out there.
Guest:It's not a lot of good rap biopics.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:It wasn't even that you were flattered to play Dad.
Marc:It's like, there's no way this movie is going to be good.
Guest:Yeah, it's like, oh.
Guest:And I was like, okay, who's making it?
Guest:Universal Studios.
Guest:Oh, that's a big deal.
Guest:You know, I'm a guy off the couch.
Guest:He goes, you'll have to audition.
Guest:I said, please make me audition.
Marc:But did you ever do music?
Guest:You did, right?
Guest:For a hiccup, maybe two years.
Marc:Just because you felt like you had to?
Guest:Yeah, just because that was a way for me to use that writing side that I have to be clever.
Marc:Oh, right.
Marc:So you did a record or two?
Guest:Yeah, I did a mixtape.
Guest:That was it.
Guest:I did two songs with my dad.
Guest:Did your dad help you?
Guest:Oh, you did.
Guest:You did two songs with him?
Guest:I did two songs with my dad.
Guest:Me and my brother were on both those songs.
Guest:We performed them on tour with him and that type stuff.
Guest:But once the door was open for acting, I took that.
Guest:But was your dad...
Guest:How was he with the music?
Guest:He he would like I would do it on my own and not tell him.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the engineer would be like, hey, you know, you should check this out.
Guest:And from there he was like, you should do a mixtape.
Guest:All right.
Guest:You should do like he kind of got on board.
Guest:Right.
Guest:My parents are super supportive.
Guest:Right.
Guest:If you see the direction you want to go.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They'll help.
Guest:But you just got to know what you're doing.
Guest:You got to know that that's what you want to do.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But did he add to it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Hold on.
Guest:Let me tell you how he added to it.
Guest:He gave me the worst name in rap history.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Because I have no idea why.
Guest:Back in the day, there was a thing called And One Mixtape.
Marc:What is mixtape culture?
Marc:Educate me.
Guest:Mixtape is just like an unsanctioned album or movie.
Guest:You can make a mixtape of your highlights if you're an athlete.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You can make a mixtape of songs that aren't licensed.
Guest:Right.
Guest:If you're an artist.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So a mixtape is literally a mix of your, you know, stuff, whatever you do.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And you put it out.
Guest:And so and one mixtape was streetballers.
Guest:It's not, you know, the NBA is literally people going out to outdoor courts and just doing, you know, basketball.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And at the time, the cool thing to do was to have a basketball nickname.
Guest:My basketball nickname was, oh, my goodness.
Guest:You do something, people yell, oh, my goodness.
Guest:That's what it was.
Guest:My dad goes on the Ellen Show.
Guest:And tells people that my rap name is OMG because my basketball name was Oh My Goodness.
Guest:And he, from the jump, ruined.
Guest:There's no way you could make that name cool.
Guest:You know?
Guest:And I tried to run with it, and it just flamed out.
Guest:I'm like, no, I'm not wasting my time.
Guest:He cursed you.
Guest:Cursed me from the jump because he don't know no better.
Guest:Text culture.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He didn't get, he didn't know.
Guest:But in his mind, he put me on the Ellen show.
Guest:You know, he put my name up there.
Guest:But dad, dad, it's not a cool name.
Guest:Did you explain to him?
Guest:No.
Guest:You just let it go?
Guest:So listen, as a son, you know, sometimes you gotta just let your dad do his thing.
And
Marc:But it was a gift because it stopped the music career.
Guest:It fueled my fire.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, I got to do something cool now.
Guest:But did you like doing the music?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's fun to me.
Guest:You know, to have to come up with something clever and to get oohs and ahs, that drives me.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And yeah, when Straight Outta Compton, when the opportunity presented... So he comes in and he says, I want you to do it.
Marc:And you're like...
Marc:Please make me audition.
Guest:No disrespect, once again.
Guest:But, you know, Coppola's Daughter and Godfather 3, I didn't want that to be me.
Guest:And you'd never acted before?
Guest:No.
Guest:I got an AEE in drama in middle school and high school.
Guest:What does that mean?
Guest:You got an A, and then you got an E for effort and an E for cooperation.
Guest:Like, that was it, you know?
Guest:And so...
Guest:The director of Straight Outta Compton, Gary Gray, in my mind, Mark, in my mind, Gary Gray was, he directed Today Was a Good Day.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And my dad goes, you ever thought about directing a movie?
Guest:And then Gary Gray's first film is Friday.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So when Gary Gray is directing Straight Outta Compton, I see this full circle thing.
Guest:Yeah, he's going to be, you know.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My dad tells him, hey, I want my son to play me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Kerry Gray goes, Q, is this a joke?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Damn.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I auditioned.
Guest:He saw something.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he got me my active coach, Aaron Spizer.
Guest:And for two years straight, I had to fight for that role.
Marc:But how does it turn into something you want to do from something you just wanted to fail out of?
Guest:Because...
Guest:So during those two years, remember, I was in my second year of college when he told me about this.
Guest:I, being an idiot, asked him if I could leave school if I'm going to do this.
Guest:He said, you got to make it work.
Guest:If you make it work, all right.
Guest:Who's that?
Guest:Your dad?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I didn't think it was going to take two years for me to get the role.
Guest:So you're just going to school and doing your shit?
Guest:No.
Guest:I left.
Guest:I was like, I'm going to give it everything, every ounce, everything I got, I'm going to go into this role.
Guest:To be your dad.
Guest:Basically.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:In that time, in two years, I'm seeing all my friends graduate college on Instagram.
Guest:And you're just trying to be your dad.
Guest:And I'm like, dude, if I don't make this work, I'm an idiot.
Guest:I'm an idiot.
Guest:Because you got to go back then.
Guest:So it became, we can't fail.
Guest:We have no other option.
Guest:We have to make this work.
Guest:And for about 11 years now, I've been making it work.
Guest:But who's that guy Spicer?
Guest:Oh, Aaron Speiser.
Guest:That's my acting coach.
Guest:He worked with The Rock.
Guest:He worked with Will Smith, Nicole Kidman.
Guest:He's a dude from Brooklyn who could teach you how to act.
Marc:So you never took any acting?
Guest:No.
Guest:I didn't want to act.
Guest:I wanted to be rich, not famous.
Guest:But you wanted to write.
Guest:Yeah, on the other side of the canvas.
Guest:Did you go finish that shit?
Guest:What?
Guest:The school?
Guest:No, I'm not going back.
Guest:I'm famous now, Mark.
Marc:All right.
Marc:All right, so how do you start doing that work?
Marc:I mean, because you think, like, you know, when I see you in the movie.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:To me, it's like, well, if you've got to study your subject, you just go in the other room.
Marc:He's sitting there.
Guest:It's a mixture of making it believable and not doing an impression.
Marc:Well, that's the trick of any bio thing.
Marc:And it's like, that's the whole trick.
Marc:I think Jamie did it with Ray, and that was the hardest one, man.
Marc:I mean, that was the great success of that thing.
Guest:Amazing.
Marc:Because that's such an easy impression to do for certain people.
Guest:Yeah, but Jamie wanted to act.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I had no—I'm coming off the couch.
Marc:Okay, so you're coming off the couch, and you're going to work on it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So what's this guy—you get hooked up with Spicer through who?
Marc:Through Gary Gray.
Marc:Oh, through the director.
Marc:Yeah, Gary Gray.
Marc:So what does he start telling you?
Marc:Give me some acting lessons.
Guest:Yeah, he—
Guest:What Aaron taught me was how to kind of simplify things where you would read something on the script like the scene where I want to take the contract out of the room, but Jerry won't let me.
Guest:I have to convince Jerry to let me.
Guest:So what he would do... Can I cuss on here?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right, so what Aaron would do was, all right, so you got to convince this dude to do something that he doesn't want to do.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So...
Guest:Think about hitting on a girl.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Think about like, you know, trying to get some from a chick who probably out your league or whatever.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And approach it like that.
Guest:So he would teach me different ways to look at scenes, but get the same result that you need.
Guest:And that type of stuff I use to this day.
Guest:Figuring out your needs.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And just a situation that you've done a thousand times in your life.
Guest:It's the same energy.
Guest:So bring it right here.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Let's act.
Marc:And then like, well, you had the benefit of looking kind of like him.
Guest:Mm hmm.
Guest:That was—hold on.
Guest:We had a screen test, okay?
Guest:Which is they bring in some dudes that they got that they think that they want to have in the film, and they test you on camera to see if that's what they want.
Guest:So I'm thinking I'm just going to show up here.
Guest:It's going to be me, somebody playing Dre, somebody playing Easy.
Guest:I come in—
Guest:There's a dude with a jerry curl and a Raider hat on.
Guest:I say, hey, what's going on, man?
Guest:I'm O'Shea.
Guest:You going for Easy?
Guest:He looks at me and goes, no, I'm going for Cube.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So now I'm like, hold on.
Guest:Hold on.
Guest:Y'all all going for Cube in the same room?
Guest:From there, I'm O'Shea Jackson Jr.
Guest:Nice to meet you, bro.
Guest:I'm frowning all day, Mark.
Guest:I mean, just full on.
Guest:You're not about to take this from me.
Guest:Look at my face.
Guest:Yeah, you're done.
Guest:You know, beat the traffic, bro.
Guest:Get out of here.
Guest:So, yeah, you know, a little bit of my advantage.
Guest:But you got the attitude because of that.
Guest:Yeah, chip on my shoulder.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And when you've been working on something for two years, it's not a lot anybody can tell you.
Marc:Two years?
Marc:Two years.
Marc:Who were they having a hard time casting?
Guest:I wish you could tell me, bro.
Guest:You don't know?
Guest:Because I'm like, I'm nervous.
Guest:I'm going three, four months in between auditions.
Guest:Is this working?
Guest:Can somebody tell me something?
Marc:And what's your dad saying?
Guest:He's like, yeah, just stay focused.
Guest:Just stay ready.
Guest:Dad, I don't need that cliche bullshit right now.
Guest:Can you give me some information?
Guest:And yeah, I mean, it worked out.
Guest:I can't imagine.
Marc:I can't imagine it.
Guest:Stress.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because if I don't get it, I'm an idiot.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Everybody's going to just shit on me.
Guest:But if you didn't get it, you know, it wouldn't have been terrible.
Guest:I would have hated it.
Guest:First of all, if I didn't get it straight out of Compton, I'm sorry, Dad, I wouldn't have saw the movie.
Guest:I'm never going.
Guest:I'm never going.
Marc:But it would have been, on some level, you ended up nailing it, but on some level, it's like if you didn't get it, I'd be like, okay.
Marc:Because then who knows who would have cast it?
Marc:It might have fucked the whole movie up.
Guest:Right, but I rolled the dice and convinced my dad to let me leave school.
Guest:I had no other way.
Guest:What am I going to do?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What am I going to do?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And when you're shooting it, was he around?
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:Like, just to see him smile or, like, joke or, like, he was just having the time of his life.
Guest:Watching you do it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He loved him, Dre, Ren, Yella.
Guest:They were just laughing on the side, like, having the time of their lives.
Guest:And, yeah, that's, like, the best pat on the back you can have.
Marc:But did they say, like, no, this is what happened?
Guest:No, no.
Guest:First of all, to me, I've heard these stories my whole life.
Guest:I've got details that's not in the script that I'm doing in improv.
Guest:Right, right.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:So, like, there's nothing you can tell me.
Guest:Right, right, right.
Guest:I was in pocket.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:You were.
Marc:But, like, the cat who's playing Dre, did Dre tell him, like, you know, did he give him anything?
Marc:I mean, you know, there's a couple of times.
Marc:Or even Snoop, that kid.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:Shout out to Lakeith.
Guest:Lakeith Stanfield.
Guest:That dude is an actor.
Guest:He is a thespian, bro.
Guest:Like, no joke.
Marc:Was he talking to Snoop?
Guest:I don't know how he did it, but that one spot that he had, he stole the show.
Guest:It was just impressive.
Guest:And he would be on set, like, with his laptop minding his business, just focused.
Guest:And now he's LaKeith Stanfield.
Guest:He's great.
Marc:What a beast.
Marc:He is.
Marc:Yeah, man.
Marc:Do you get along with him?
Guest:I mean, absolutely.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, when I see him out, it's – Stratton Compton, that's our little fraternity.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, SOC all day.
Marc:Was that, like, his first big movie, too?
Marc:It might be.
Guest:No disrespect, LaKeith.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, I don't be checking people.
Guest:His resume?
Guest:Yeah, you don't know his resume.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But that's where I met you, so that's your first movie.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, that was crazy.
Marc:So, like, it's so – it's so –
Guest:great that they were all into it and Giamatti like oh my god how crazy was it working with that guy I love that dude he's great that's a good guy man yeah good guy um he's another monster actor yeah and was you know he's the the seasoned veteran sure on set sure yeah and was open just yeah very welcoming and you know he could have easily been a dick but it's just not in his nature Paul Giamatti wherever you are I love you dude
Marc:What about shooting that thing where, you know, the video where your dad's saying that shit about Jews and stuff?
Marc:Was your dad standing there for that?
Guest:First of all, my dad's there every day.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:You're talking about the— By the pool, right?
Guest:Yeah, by the pool.
Guest:All right, a deleted scene from there that's crazy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I pick myself up.
Guest:Like, there's a little actor playing me, like the real me, and I pick up me as a kid, and it was just the craziest moment ever.
Guest:You don't know what it's like to walk into a house that you've never been in before and to see pictures of your family everywhere.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:That was Straight Outta Compton.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Insane.
Marc:That's like, well, I'm glad that all worked out.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So now you're like an actor guy.
Marc:Yeah, I'm an actor guy.
Marc:Now the expectations are on you.
Marc:Can he do something that's not his dad?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I got a lot of that after Straight Outta Compton was, of course he did well.
Guest:He's playing his dad.
Marc:Well, you got some, like, I see, like, this whole Nepo baby thing, I don't buy it.
Marc:I don't buy any of it.
Guest:What don't you buy?
Marc:Well, I got a plumber who's like, and sons.
Marc:I mean, why aren't they busting that guy's balls?
Marc:You know, shut the fuck up.
Guest:Nobody cares about Fred Sanford's son.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Running a junkyard.
Marc:Yeah, I mean, it's like, come on.
Marc:Every goddamn business in any family, it's like, and sons, and family.
Marc:It's like, shut up.
Marc:Why not?
Marc:It's right.
Marc:It's just that, you know, if you've got the gift, like, look, man,
Marc:And the truth is, is not everybody fits on that screen.
Marc:And if you don't, it ain't going to happen for you.
Marc:But it's like, if you got a shot at the family business, take it.
Marc:I've seen plenty of dudes fail.
Marc:I can't tell you how many brothers of stars have tried stand-up comedy, and you're like, oh, God.
Marc:I mean, I think there's four rocks working right now.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:There's Tony Rock.
Marc:There's another rock.
Marc:That's a comic.
Marc:His cousin, Sherrod, I know from New York.
Marc:They're funny, but I mean, it's like, dude, give it a whirl.
Guest:Just try it.
Guest:Swing for the fences.
Guest:If you've got the craft in place, you can pull it off.
Guest:Right.
Guest:People have been passing down pizzerias for generations.
Guest:That's right.
Marc:Nobody's mad at them.
Marc:And I'll tell you, the biggest liability of it is when the older customers come in and say, I don't want to talk to you.
Marc:Where's your father?
Guest:Right?
Guest:Exactly, man.
Guest:Exactly.
Marc:So what was the next movie?
Marc:I don't know if I saw it.
Guest:After Straight Outta Compton, I didn't get work for a year.
Guest:Really?
Guest:And I was confused.
Guest:I had the number one movie in the country, Oscar nominated.
Guest:I'm thinking my phone is about to blow up.
Guest:And for a year, I didn't get anything.
Guest:And that's when I knew, like...
Guest:I'm in it.
Guest:Because you play your dad.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They had no expectations of me.
Marc:No one was asking you to play your dad in a movie your dad did.
Marc:We're doing Anaconda 2.
Marc:We're doing Saturday.
Guest:Yeah, so I had to go get it.
Guest:I had to find something.
Guest:I switched up agencies.
Guest:Shout out to WME.
Guest:And my next movie was a movie called Ingrid Goes West.
Guest:And how I got that movie is... I'm trying to remember that movie.
Guest:It's an indie route.
Guest:It's on Hulu.
Guest:Check it out.
Guest:But yeah.
Guest:Aubrey Plaza movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I met Aubrey at some.
Guest:No, no.
Guest:I didn't even get to meet her.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We were both at some hoity toity award show, both presenting.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I see her across the room in the green room and I'm headed towards her.
Guest:And these old ass ladies come up to me.
Guest:My grandson loves that movie that you're in.
Guest:And I'm like, OK, you want to take the fucking picture?
Guest:Like, let's do it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I take the picture with the ladies.
Guest:I look up.
Guest:Aubrey Plaza is gone.
Guest:I go on Twitter and I'm like, well, I just almost met Aubrey Plaza.
Guest:So, you know, that's a good look.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Aubrey Plaza sees that DMs me.
Guest:Yo, I got this movie.
Guest:I need you to be in it.
Guest:Just be in it.
Guest:I said, that's not really how business happens.
Guest:Let's check it out.
Guest:Here's my number.
Guest:Let's set up a meeting.
Guest:So she hits me, and I text her back, it's Batman.
Guest:I have no idea why I said that.
Guest:I just love Batman.
Guest:She goes, okay, great.
Guest:I'm like, all right.
Guest:So we have the meeting.
Guest:And in the bar that we were in, wherever we're having this meeting, we both didn't know the place.
Guest:So she's like, how do you like the script?
Guest:I said, you didn't send it to me.
Guest:She goes, what do you mean I didn't send it to you?
Guest:You thought it was going to be Batman?
Guest:No, I just said, bro, I'm crazy.
Guest:I literally just said, hey, it's Batman.
Guest:She goes, well...
Guest:I definitely sent you the script, or why else would you say Batman?
Guest:I said, if you send me the script, tell me my email right now.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:From there, I found out that Dan Pinto, the dude that I'm playing in the movie, is obsessed with Batman.
Guest:So she thought I read the script and was like, I'm him.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Tells the director, tells the producers he's on board.
Guest:Yeah, he likes Batman.
Guest:And I never read the script.
Guest:And it was just too coincidental, so I took the movie.
Guest:But that movie got different eyes on me.
Guest:That movie got to Sundance.
Guest:I got to go to Sundance for the first time.
Guest:Variety had me in the top ten performances at Sundance.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:And it got new eyes on me.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:And that gets the buzz.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And so straight out of Compton, you know, opened the door.
Guest:Ingrid Goes West, it made people realize, oh, he's serious.
Marc:This is what he wanted to do.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:He's in a movie where he's not playing his dad.
Marc:And there's a lot more white people in this movie.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:This seems safe.
Guest:Check this out.
Guest:This is a movie for all of us.
Guest:Shout out to Neon.
Guest:They made the movie.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:They bought the movie.
Marc:And then, oh, Longshot was funny.
Marc:So how'd that fucking come about?
Guest:Longshot was a pleasant surprise.
Guest:I'm a big fan of Seth Rogen.
Guest:I thought that movie was pretty good.
Guest:And you were good in it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Solid.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Lionsgate, you didn't promote the movie well.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We can't just have commercials on Hulu.
Guest:Get it out there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Seth, Charlize, I love y'all.
Guest:Charlize Theron, by the way.
Guest:Best.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:I would do anything for that lady.
Guest:She's so nice to me, too.
Guest:First day, sat next to me, cussing and shit, just like the homie.
Marc:Love Charlize.
Marc:What a fucking actress, though, man.
Guest:What a piece of royalty.
Marc:Yeah, no shit.
Marc:Like that monster movie?
Guest:What the fuck?
Guest:What a beast.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Charlize, I'm sorry, but I gotta say,
Guest:I am mad as fuck at this Mad Max spinoff that doesn't have Charlize.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was so pissed for her.
Marc:Why didn't it have her, I guess?
Guest:I have no idea.
Guest:But I texted her immediately.
Guest:I was like, you're not Furiosa?
Guest:She was like, no, they went a different direction.
Marc:A different direction.
Marc:And I was like, that's bullshit.
Marc:Wow.
Guest:Not my homegirl.
Marc:But that was fun.
Marc:So the comedy's starting to happen.
Yeah.
Guest:I made a conscious decision that I wanted to do dramatic before I got into comedy.
Guest:Comedy is what I would want to do.
Guest:Who don't love to laugh?
Marc:Right.
Marc:It's got to be a good script, though, right?
Guest:Oh, absolutely.
Guest:Absolutely.
Marc:But you're good at it.
Guest:Yeah, it's my natural thing.
Guest:Quick wit.
Guest:I grew up on a tour bus with people talking shit all day.
Guest:You have to be quick on your feet.
Marc:So you were on tour when you were a kid?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like what, 10, 9, 8?
Marc:Two.
Marc:Two.
Guest:Yeah, I've been on tour buses my whole life.
Guest:Since my whole life.
Marc:Who's on the tour?
Guest:Who's on the bus?
Guest:Obviously, my pops.
Guest:Dub C. As I said earlier, Crazy 2.
Guest:Big Hurt, Keebo.
Guest:And they all are, like, when I say it's a tight-knit group, they are a family.
Guest:And brothers...
Guest:talk shit on each other.
Guest:They bag on each other.
Guest:So you have to be quick.
Guest:If you are not quick, you will not survive.
Guest:And it is what it is.
Guest:So naturally, you have to be able to bounce off people.
Guest:So when it comes to improv, somebody throwing something at me, naturally, I got you.
Marc:And did your mom take all the kids on the bus?
Marc:Yeah, everybody got to go, bro.
Guest:Where are you going to go?
Guest:Get your ass on this bus.
Marc:So your dad wanted everybody on the bus.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And that was another thing about being homeschooled was the teachers could travel with us.
Guest:So when my dad is gone doing a movie, we ride with him.
Marc:So they were only teaching you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You're coming to Baltimore because my dad's filming Triple X. So get in the car.
Marc:And what is it?
Marc:Didn't he do, how many barbershops are there?
Marc:Three.
Marc:Three.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That was a big one.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That was a big franchise.
Guest:Anytime you get a two, a three.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But didn't he produce that from the beginning?
Guest:More than likely.
Guest:You know, he's got his red pin on most films that he's in.
Marc:So now that gets us, you didn't do a lot of TV, but now you're part of the fucking Star Wars.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Shout out to little kid Shay.
Guest:He would be so happy.
Marc:Yeah, how'd you get that fucking thing?
Guest:Ingrid Goes West.
Marc:Oh, the white people.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Don't you love them?
Guest:I'm shooting season one of Swagger.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And this basketball show.
Guest:I was on Apple TV.
Guest:And my agents call me and they'll say, dude, we need you to be available Wednesday at noon.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Why?
Guest:What's going on?
Guest:We can't tell you.
Guest:Just be available.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:So I'm available.
Guest:I've got the Zoom little code.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I meet with a lady named Deborah Chow, who I love to death.
Guest:And she's talking to me.
Guest:From where?
Marc:Where's she from?
Guest:She did stuff on The Mandalorian.
Guest:Like, she's in that, like, Star Wars.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, yeah, she's talking to me and she goes, yeah, you know, we're doing the Obi-Wan Kenobi series.
Guest:Immediately I'm like, oh, my God, there's no way this conversation is happening.
Guest:I'm like, all right, we got to kill this audition, bro.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And she starts going, yeah, so, you know, we have Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Guest:He's down on his luck a little bit.
Guest:He's lost his touch with the Force.
Guest:She's telling me, like, details.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I'm like, I don't think this lady should be telling me this shit right now.
Guest:I didn't sign an NDA.
Guest:Nothing.
Guest:You're just being very open.
Guest:And at the end of the meeting, I'm like, okay, so you're going to send me some sides?
Guest:Like, is it a self-tape?
Guest:She goes, no.
Guest:You got the part.
Guest:And I'm like, yeah, just like that?
Guest:She goes, yeah, I saw a film that you did, Ingrid Goes West.
Guest:And you showed enough range that I think would be perfect for this character.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm like, fuck yeah, Debra Chow.
Guest:Absolutely, ma'am.
Guest:100%.
Marc:I'll be there.
Marc:I'm playing basketball right now.
Guest:I couldn't tell anybody for a year and a half, but I was just at work smiling.
Marc:Smiling.
Marc:Doing your part in Obi-Wan.
Guest:I'm in Star Wars, bro.
Marc:Yeah, what is your partner?
Guest:I play Roken, Kaolan Roken, who is pretty much the leader of the first division of the Rebellion.
Guest:The Rebellion that we come to know later on in Star Wars, the first chapter of that is known as The Path, and I'm the leader of The Path.
Guest:Oh, great.
Guest:So basically, like...
Guest:I'm finding Jedi or Force-sensitive people and getting them away from the Empire from the jump.
Guest:This is the first time that this is happening.
Guest:So I'm leader of the path.
Guest:And is that an ongoing thing or is it done?
Guest:Listen, I've been waiting for my phone to ring.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Since we wrapped.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Listen, Mickey, Mickey, bro, hire me.
Guest:I'm waiting, baby.
Marc:Yeah, these are childhood dreams you're doing.
Marc:Yeah, come on, dog.
Marc:So after, like, before, now, are you writing anything?
Marc:Like, are you self-generating?
Marc:Is there a part of you or something in the works where you're going to try to direct or do your own movie or what?
Guest:Directing, I'm going to hold off on because...
Guest:Directors don't get days off.
Guest:As an actor, I love my days off.
Marc:Acting is 90% doing nothing.
Guest:You know, I'm really good at playing pretend, Mark.
Guest:Yeah, okay.
Guest:But I, yeah, I've gotten into writing and creating again because, you know.
Guest:You got some juice.
Guest:That also, but I got a five-year-old.
Guest:You know, my baby girl is going out into the world now.
Guest:I got to be home.
Guest:I can't.
Guest:keep having years where I'm six months away from home.
Guest:Like, I have to be around.
Guest:I want to be a dad.
Guest:So I have to have checks coming in.
Guest:Can't take her on the bus?
Guest:Can't take her on the set?
Guest:She just got into school.
Guest:Just got into school.
Guest:You know, if I do the homeschool route, I would crush her.
Marc:You got one?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm still trying to figure it out, bro.
Marc:That's okay.
Marc:Don't you add nothing on to me.
Marc:Do your siblings have kids?
Marc:No.
Guest:So the first grandkid?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What's your dad like with the grandkid?
Guest:Just pudding.
Guest:Whatever she wants.
Guest:Ha, ha, ha.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:When she was like three and we would all be talking in the kitchen and he have a meeting work.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:She look at him and go, no, granddad.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He just hang up.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Click.
Guest:You're right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But yeah, they man, my parents, I don't know what this version of my parents are.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because they say yes to everything.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I got a bunch of no's.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But, you know, they're best grandparents in the world.
Guest:Super thankful for them.
Guest:But, yeah, my dad's mush.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:Super mush.
Guest:That's great.
Marc:But don't you want to think, like, it seems to me, well, maybe another movie or two.
Marc:Who knows?
Marc:That you want to get into that self-production thing, you know, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So you can get a nice piece and then just.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:What people don't realize is when you see a movie like Straight Outta Compton make $200 million.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Shea gets none of that.
Guest:They've paid me already.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They paid me before.
Marc:You get a little something.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You get a little bonus.
Guest:You're not getting no piece of the $200 million.
Guest:That's all Universal Studios and the Producers.
Marc:You don't get any residuals from sale.
Marc:You got to get the forensic lawyer going.
Guest:You get like, I mean, I've gotten checks for like 15 cents.
Guest:No.
Guest:And then some checks for 2,500.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like it really varies.
Guest:But producing, that's what you want to do.
Guest:Yeah, you gotta get a piece.
Guest:Didn't your dad have a piece of that movie?
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:But let me tell you something about my dad money.
Guest:That's not Shea money.
Guest:Not at all, Mark.
Guest:Not a piece, bro.
Marc:It's just enough to keep you going so you can make your own money.
Marc:He supported the cause to get you there.
Guest:I'll get the light on for you.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:My first job was a PA on a film my dad did called Are We Done Yet?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And still not paid.
Guest:There's a case pending.
Marc:It's an internship.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm a PA.
Guest:Like, you know, the walkie, the whole nine, you know, getting there early.
Guest:My first day, I was so excited.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because it's like my first job.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm 15.
Guest:That's illegal.
Guest:But I'm 15.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I see my dad come to set.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Going to go up to my dad.
Guest:I'm a working man.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I'm like, Dad, you know, check me out, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Guest:He looks at me and goes, son, don't talk to talent.
Guest:And I was like, damn.
Guest:And he walked off, and I just had to stand there.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Pictures up.
Guest:Hard knocks.
Marc:But, you know, I mean, the benefit of all that is he gave you that ethic, the work ethic.
Marc:But, you know, you knew he wasn't going to cut you loose.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You weren't a bad egg or anything.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:He's going to, you know, he's going to take care.
Marc:He's going to show up for his responsibilities.
Marc:Or I'm going to tell mom.
Guest:Oh, there you go.
Guest:You had an ally.
Guest:Exactly.
Marc:So now cocaine bear.
Marc:What happened?
Marc:We've only got a few minutes.
Guest:Literally what I came for.
Guest:The title alone, bro.
Guest:Do you know what it's like to be working on Star Wars and to look at Ewan McGregor and he goes, So Shay, what are you doing next?
Guest:Cocaine bear.
Guest:And he goes...
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Sorry, Obi-Wan.
Marc:But, well, I talked to Banks about it before.
Guest:Monster.
Guest:I love her.
Marc:Yeah, she's great.
Marc:Before it was even out.
Marc:And I'm like, what is cocaine bear?
Marc:I mean, but, you know, the marketing campaign is what made the money.
Marc:Dude.
Marc:I mean, it was like.
Marc:That's the power of Universal Studios, baby.
Marc:But, I mean, how are you not going to go see a movie with that goddamn poster?
Marc:Thank you.
Marc:Crazy bear.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Cocaine bear.
Marc:Everybody likes cocaine and bears.
Marc:they go together all the kids they love the cocaine and the bears and the premise i think you know that obviously the real bear died immediately yeah but like you know why not why not make him a crazy ass cocaine bear right jack and rose weren't real y'all went to go see titanic yeah you knew how that shit was going in sure but like when you read that script i mean how that what was the process of that movie
Guest:Once again, Twitter.
Guest:I saw Elizabeth Banks gets rights to cocaine bear.
Guest:Immediately I'm clicking that.
Guest:You know, what is that?
Guest:Saw it was based on a true story.
Guest:Kinda.
Guest:The bear ate the cocaine and died.
Guest:Yeah, but we don't know what she's doing.
Guest:At the time, I don't know what she's doing.
Guest:So I retweeted it and was like, take my money.
Guest:As a fan, I'm going to go see this movie.
Guest:She follows me because I'm a popular guy.
Guest:Yeah, I know.
Guest:And she talked to the higher-ups.
Guest:I think we could get Shay.
Guest:She was absolutely right.
Guest:I'm down to be in this.
Guest:I remember telling my dad, and he was like, oh, you have to do that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Immediately.
Marc:Did you grow up with that kind of movie?
Marc:Do you like that shit?
Marc:I mean.
Marc:I'm not sure what it is.
Marc:A slasher movie?
Guest:I mean, it's.
Guest:What's the genre?
Guest:Comedy horror.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Comedy horror.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because it is gruesome.
Marc:I know.
Marc:No offense.
Marc:A little too gruesome.
Guest:Nah, man.
Marc:We got to go for it.
Marc:We got to go.
Marc:Well, I mean, but it looks like they put half the budget into making people die right.
Marc:I mean, I've seen those movies before, but most of the time you're like, that's silly.
Guest:But this time it's like, oh my God.
Guest:That's fucking horrible.
Guest:Shout out to my man, Jesse Tyler Ferguson of Modern Family.
Guest:His scene, I was like, this is taking a long time for you to die.
Guest:Which one was he?
Guest:He gets...
Guest:Which guy is he?
Guest:Him and Margo, he's the blonde dude.
Guest:Oh, right, yeah.
Guest:Yeah, the nature guy.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:The one who the ranger likes.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:And she's funny as hell.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:Super sweet lady.
Marc:Margo Martindale.
Marc:She's so funny and weird.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:But here's my problem.
Marc:I don't watch those kind of movies usually.
Marc:And I get, okay, the bear's on coke.
Marc:I get it.
Marc:But these seem like a lot of nice people are dying for no reason.
Marc:I mean, that's what a bear on coke.
Marc:game would do bro I know but it's like after a certain point you know once Isaiah Whitlock takes it I'm like that guy didn't deserve it thanks Ray Liotta and I'm so sad you know I'm sad and it's like is the bear balancing the sadness we got a the bear got a standing ovation in the premiere after in the finale of the movie and that's when I knew it's gonna be a good one but ultimately oddly
Marc:In terms of comedy, you had, you know, I'm not, you know, I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but you had the funniest lines, really.
Marc:Thank you, man.
Marc:Because, like, I know the rest of it was supposed to, the other guy, the weepy guy, he's a good actor, that guy.
Guest:Oh, Alden.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Alden Ehrenreich.
Marc:Yeah, that whole dynamic was pretty good with the father and son.
Marc:He wanted out, and he's sobbing, and then you beat up the three kids in the bathroom.
Guest:I love the sound of Alden crying.
Guest:Yeah, he's very funny.
Guest:It was just so, like, out of character, because if you know him, he's just straight, like, straight-edged dude, just, like, super professional.
Guest:And immediately, all right, action.
Guest:And he goes into, like, this saddest just wail of a cry.
Yeah.
Marc:dude he's so good like you know him his performance in Hail Caesar was beyond anything I could even imagine yeah I mean that was crazy good that's another actor yeah Alden goes to plays yeah freak yeah come on theater dude that's your next thing weird ass no you gotta do theater I will not what you're afraid you're afraid dude I didn't want to be an actor Mark God can you give me a chance yeah well now you are an actor and now I'm trying to take some risks enough of this fucking around yeah
Guest:I took a risk with a movie called Cocaine Bear.
Marc:Yeah, how's that going for you?
Marc:Pretty well.
Marc:Domestic number one.
Marc:Do you got a piece of that back end?
Marc:No.
Marc:But here's the thing I don't get about these movies, and I know it's just part of the genre, is that there's literally corpses everywhere, and you guys are sort of like, all right, then you drive off.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then the family, she's like, everybody okay?
Marc:As they're going past that lady.
Marc:Yeah, Marco.
Yeah.
Guest:That's her dead body.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, bro.
Marc:I guess it's... Maybe I'm too old for that shit.
Guest:Come on, Mark.
Guest:What?
Guest:Don't say that, man.
Marc:No?
Marc:You're as young as you feel.
Marc:But it is doing well, right?
Guest:Is it holding up still?
Guest:Doing pretty well.
Marc:Who's going to see it?
Marc:Kids?
Marc:America.
Guest:Kid sneaking in.
Marc:Did you talk to what's his name about Star Wars?
Marc:Alton?
Guest:Funny story about that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So when the Han Solo movie was coming out, I auditioned to be Lando Calrissian.
Guest:And I got four callbacks.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I've never had this happen.
Guest:I thought this shit was in the bag.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And last minute, like out of nowhere, they're like, yeah, you didn't get it.
Guest:And I'm like, damn, who got it?
Guest:I'm like, well, Donald Glover.
Guest:Childish Gambino?
Guest:Yeah, Donald Glover.
Guest:And I love Donald Glover.
Guest:I hated that motherfucker for like three months straight.
Guest:You got him.
Guest:No music of his.
Guest:Fuck that Atlanta show.
Guest:Listen, Childish Gambino, I'm a fan, bro.
Guest:I love you, but I was mad.
Guest:And to this day, I'm not watching solo.
Guest:No.
Marc:I don't think you're alone, unfortunately.
Guest:And, like, Phil Lord and, like, their producers on Cocaine Bear.
Guest:And they were the first directors of Solo.
Guest:And I told them, like, yeah, I caught y'all anyway.
Guest:I'm here anyway.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, that's part of the game, you know, that's got to be difficult.
Marc:Like, that's why I can never really – like, that's why I always stayed in comedy.
Marc:I'm acting a bit now, but I never made it my life because the sort of –
Marc:toughness you have to have around that rejection and and and not you know engaging in resentment you know i mean you're fortunate in that you know you you had other turns that you know worked out for you but you know i'm a pretty resentful guy because i'm petty yeah i'm an unstable insecure fucker bro i am petty as fuck petty murphy yeah petty roosevelt yeah like i'm petty bro yeah i didn't see let me tell you all the movies i didn't get
Guest:I didn't see Alien Covenant.
Guest:I didn't see Coming to America 2.
Guest:That's okay.
Marc:I'm sorry.
Marc:I can break it down for you.
Marc:Eddie.
Guest:Free guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm not saying that.
Guest:One night in Miami.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:None of them shits, bro.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And he still won't.
Marc:They don't exist.
Marc:Because you know what part you almost had.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But Glover, you got to give it to.
Marc:Guy's like, you know, just like insanely talented.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Savant.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It's troubling how talented he is.
Guest:That dude is...
Guest:exactly where he was supposed to be.
Guest:Yeah, that's kind of amazing.
Guest:Just a creator.
Guest:And yeah, I've been a fan.
Guest:When he had a YouTube channel, Derek Comedy, that was my... And I've been a fan since then.
Guest:But I will never...
Marc:ever see solo yeah it's funny because like i interviewed him years ago before like well i guess it was community and it was before i think it was before atlanta and he'd done maybe the second childish gambino record or maybe it was just the first one but you know and i he literally introduced me to the world of uh black nerds yeah i didn't i didn't know they existed yeah because we hide we hide you're not around people
Guest:Shit is rough, bro.
Guest:Is it?
Guest:Yeah, man.
Guest:You're kind of one, right?
Guest:I'm absolutely one.
Guest:I have a diamond PlayStation necklace.
Guest:My PlayStation is on pause right now, and I'm halfway across town.
Guest:I'm a fan of pro wrestling.
Guest:I watch it weekly.
Guest:When did that start?
Guest:Man, my older brother, Daryl.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:You know, us playing on Sega Genesis.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Him teaching me about The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels.
Guest:And, yeah, the Attitude Era, and I just stayed with it.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:It is a live soap opera.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You love it, right?
Guest:Come on.
Marc:And you go.
Marc:You get to be part of it sometimes, right?
Guest:Bro, I...
Guest:Not part of it yet, but I will.
Guest:See, one of my agents, Brad Slater, is the Rocks agent, so I get in for free 99, Mark.
Guest:I love that part.
Marc:I love that for me.
Marc:Why don't you get in the ring, man?
Marc:I will.
Guest:This is a plan.
Guest:This is going to happen.
Guest:Okay.
Marc:Well, that's something to look forward to.
Marc:What about, you got any movies coming up other than the cocaine bear?
Marc:Any other ones you're mad about?
Marc:Any other fourth callbacks that you're waiting on?
Guest:I'm in the middle of training for Dinner Thieves 2.
Guest:Oh, shit, because you're the only survivor.
Marc:Who are the new people that are going to die?
Guest:Hopefully Gerard Butler, but, like, you know, he's coming to get me.
Guest:But, yeah, they got me training, dude, and I am miserable.
Marc:What do you got to eat?
Marc:Like, are you going to do Kamal Nanjiani?
Marc:Are you doing, like, full – like, you can get ripped, or are you just going to get lean?
Guest:No, they got me doing a bit of both.
Guest:I'm bulking up, you know, losing weight, and it is –
Guest:Garbage.
Guest:I am not going to be one of these actors that are like, yeah, man, working out is trash.
Marc:But how, like, bulking up?
Marc:Like, are you going to get, like, ripped, like rock bulking up, or are you just going to get thick?
Guest:No, no, no, just like, you know, enough, a movie star level.
Guest:Nobody's trying to be Dwayne.
Guest:He's been buff since, like, 95.
Guest:I'm, you know, I'm chill.
Guest:But I told them straight up, after this movie, I'm going into animation.
Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Going to work in my pajamas.
Marc:Haven't you done that?
Marc:I did that.
Marc:I did that Bad Guys movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yo, that movie.
Guest:I'm the snake.
Guest:Bro, I never got to see it.
Guest:I hear so much about that movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Just a sleeper.
Marc:How old's your kid?
Guest:Five.
Marc:Yeah, show her the movie.
Guest:It's funny.
Marc:They like them.
Marc:It's got me and Rockwell and Craig Robinson, Aquafina.
Guest:Yeah, Craig Robinson is so dope.
Marc:He's so funny, man.
Guest:Talented, too.
Guest:He's funny.
Guest:Yeah, funny.
Guest:I love that guy.
Guest:Naturally funny, too.
Marc:Yeah, he can't help himself.
Guest:Yeah, just like.
Marc:Like right when you look at him.
Marc:Die laughing.
Marc:Yeah, he's just one of those guys.
Guest:Monster.
Marc:All right, it's great talking to you, man.
Guest:Thank you, man.
Marc:It was fun.
Guest:I'm going to leave now.
Marc:Yeah, you got to get back to the PlayStation.
Guest:And your kid.
Guest:I'm not going to have this disrespect.
Marc:How's the tea?
Marc:Did it work out?
Marc:It's cold.
Marc:It's cold now?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All right.
Marc:All right, then get out of here.
Damn.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Cocaine Bear is still playing in theaters.
Marc:And I like that guy.
Marc:And I'd like for you to hang out for a minute.
Marc:Reminder, folks, it's your last chance to watch Paul T. Goldman on Peacock before my conversation with the director, Jason Woollner, on Thursday.
Marc:It's a show that's hard to talk about without really talking about it.
Marc:So watch it before Thursday's show if you're interested.
Marc:And if you don't want to listen to something with spoilers, don't worry.
Marc:We have two guests on Thursday's show.
Marc:The other is comedian Ashley Barnhill.
Marc:She actually used to work on WTF as a production assistant, and then she was building her comedy career when her life was almost cut short in a terrifying accident.
Marc:So both Ashley and Jason are on Thursday's show, and tomorrow, for full Marin subscribers, we talk about one of Jason's inspirations for Paul T. Goldman, the documentary American Movie.
Marc:And Brendan and I go almost scene for scene, people.
Marc:To subscribe to the full Marin for bonus content and all WTF episodes ad-free, go to the link in the episode description or go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+.
Marc:Here's some swide guitar.
guitar solo
Yeah.
guitar solo
Guest:Boomer lives.
Guest:Monkey and La Fonda.
Guest:Cat angels everywhere.
Guest:There's something to live for.
Guest:Jesus told me so.