Episode 1373 - Zahn McClarnon
Marc:Lock the gates!
Marc:Alright, let's do this.
Marc:How are you, what the fuckers?
Marc:What the fuck, buddies?
Marc:What the fuck, Knicks?
Marc:What's happening?
Marc:Welcome.
Marc:What's going on?
Marc:How are you?
Marc:Today, on the show, I talked to Zahn McLaren.
Marc:Great guy.
Marc:Great to work with that guy.
Marc:You know, you guys have seen him in the second season of Fargo, Westworld, Longmire, Dark Winds.
Marc:And he plays Officer Big on Reservation Dogs.
Marc:He's been in a couple of Sterling Harjo movies.
Marc:But I got to work with him on Res Dogs, and it was great.
Marc:He's a great actor, and he's funny.
Marc:And he can also be very intense.
Marc:I've seen him in many roles.
Marc:Dude can be scary.
Marc:But as big on Res Dogs, a unique frequency of humor.
Marc:I was very happy that he agreed to do the show.
Marc:I talked to him about it when we shot.
Marc:And as I've said before, it was such a great time to do that show.
Marc:It was really one of the great experiences.
Marc:of my life as an actor speaking of which to leslie is out you can get it uh on demand you can see it in a theater a few if it's near you uh it's it's kind of exciting it's got a 97 rating on rotten tomatoes and um no one has said i sucked
Marc:which is nice.
Marc:I mean, people don't usually say I suck, but they usually don't say anything.
Marc:I'm not sure what's worse, but it's been all around great.
Marc:Also, I'll be on Corden tonight, I believe.
Marc:I know I'm recording it today.
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Marc:So I worked last weekend.
Marc:I don't want to go through the whole thing again because I can't really understand how to explain it.
Marc:And I'm only trying to explain it if people can sort of relate to it.
Marc:There are times when my anxiety is compounded.
Marc:My inability to compartmentalize makes a tsunami of small things turn into one large sort of massive anxiety fire.
Marc:And I got to travel this week.
Marc:And next week.
Marc:But I went I traveled last weekend.
Marc:I was in Livermore.
Marc:Great show up there in wine country.
Marc:I think it is.
Marc:It's unclear.
Marc:We drove up me and bites.
Marc:I drove the car up as opposed to fly.
Marc:Drove up the didn't drive up the coast.
Marc:Drove up the the five.
Marc:One of the worst drives.
Marc:Interstate five.
Marc:between here and the Bay Area, horrendous.
Marc:It's like driving on Mars until you reach the cows.
Marc:And then it's like driving through Mars if Mars smelled like manure.
Marc:And then at some point you reach Anderson's Pea Soup and you ask yourself, has anyone had pea soup at Anderson's?
Marc:Why is that place still there?
Marc:Why is that sign still there?
Marc:Who the fuck drives on Mars in 98 degree weather in this sort of dusty shit smelling strip of highway
Marc:And think that like, oh, wow, pea soup sounds good.
Marc:This is a very regional, very specific reference.
Marc:But if you knew, you would know that Anderson's pea soup on Mars has been there forever.
Marc:And I don't know anyone who's eaten there.
Marc:Someone must.
Marc:I don't know what it can't be a front out there in the middle of fucking.
Marc:No, it doesn't matter.
Marc:So we drove up and those shows were good.
Marc:But the problem was last week, as I told you, on Tuesday afternoon and my cat, my new cat, the kitten, Charlie, Charlie Beans Roscoe, just stopped eating and was pukey.
Marc:And.
Marc:Look, I've owned many cats.
Marc:I've had cats disappear.
Marc:I've put cats down.
Marc:I've had sick cats.
Marc:I've hospiced cats.
Marc:But it makes no difference.
Marc:When one of them gets sick, it's just horrendous for me because I just assume that this is it.
Marc:And you just sort of like, why did I get a dud?
Marc:Why do I got a dud cat?
Marc:But this cat's great.
Marc:I mean, arguably Sammy might be a dud, but that's another story, but he's all right.
Marc:I'll figure it out.
Marc:We'll work it out.
Marc:We've got like probably 15, 20 years.
Marc:So, but Charlie's sick and I got to go out of town and I'm using, you know, I'm having, you know, cat sitters come over and sometimes people stay here.
Marc:But the whole thing is if I'm not here, I freak out.
Marc:And this cat, I'm just getting reports back.
Marc:He's still not eating.
Marc:He's still a little pukey and I'm sure he's going to die and I'm on the road.
Marc:So everything sort of,
Marc:runs through that I was stressed out and I was almost incapable of wrangling it okay and everything looked horrendous and life did not seem worth living triggered all by my kitten
Marc:being sick and not eating.
Marc:So the day that we drove home from the Bay Area, from Carmel-by-the-Sea, I was waiting to hear whether the cat ate.
Marc:And then I heard back from a vet, the vet who I took him to, who I said, he's still sick.
Marc:And that guy's like, well, you got to take him to an emergency hospital.
Marc:He needs a different type of treatment.
Marc:So I'm like, I got it in my head.
Marc:I'm going to be home for just a few days.
Marc:And I'm just going to hope that
Marc:that this fucking kitten doesn't die, or whatever's happening, and I gotta take him to the hospital today, and he'll probably have to be there overnight, and it's just gonna be a fucking cortisol fucking shit show till the time I leave, and then maybe even when I'm gone.
Marc:That's where I was at.
Marc:And then I got another email that said, Charlie ate, he ate well.
Marc:And I'm like, oh my God, it was like, it had all been lifted off.
Marc:It was one of the better feelings in life.
Marc:It was all lifted.
Marc:The cat's OK.
Marc:Everything is OK.
Marc:It all went away.
Marc:And I started to realize, like, if I looked over my life and all the stress and all the shit I put myself through mentally, anxiety, fear, my imagination when left untethered is really just going to generate amazing things to make me feel shitty and panicky.
Marc:And what do I get out of that?
Marc:Why do I let my brain do that?
Marc:Why does my brain do that?
Marc:Is the relief that good?
Marc:Is that what life is?
Marc:I'm having a good day because I was able to stop beating the shit out of myself for a few hours.
Marc:And also a couple of things weren't as bad as I thought they would be.
Marc:That's a great day.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:It comes and goes.
Marc:And I've got the capacity to put my blinders up and not react to things I'm making up or my brain is making up without my consent.
Marc:And you just stay the line, hold the line mentally.
Marc:Trick I learned from meditating the short period I did it.
Marc:But I don't let thoughts drift by.
Marc:I stop them and realize, dude, that's your brain.
Marc:This is your car.
Marc:That's your brain.
Marc:That's the road.
Marc:That's your brain.
Marc:Look at your fingers.
Marc:That's your brain.
Marc:Hey, move your seat up a little.
Marc:That's your brain.
Marc:This is me choosing a song to play on the radio.
Marc:The difference between what's happening in the immediate...
Marc:Reality versus the just fucking screaming shit show of my brain, the screaming shit show of panic, anxiety and fear is profound, obviously.
Marc:So all that to say, Charlie's okay.
Marc:He's eating a lot.
Marc:I don't know what the fuck it was.
Marc:I don't know if it was a cleaning product or just being a young cat.
Marc:I'm a little nervous now.
Marc:See, that's where I went.
Marc:That's what I did.
Marc:I thought there's got to be a cleaning product.
Marc:I think it's that thing that the cleaning lady brings with her, that yellow fucking stuff.
Marc:I've got to get products.
Marc:I've got to have a totally plant-based fucking pet-friendly cleaning product arsenal.
Marc:There can be nothing made possible.
Marc:with bad chemicals.
Marc:That's what I decided.
Marc:So that's the whole thing.
Marc:I'm panicking about cleaning products.
Marc:How do I eco my cleaning products?
Marc:I want a reason, but Charlie's okay.
Marc:They're all okay.
Marc:Oh my God.
Marc:Oh my God.
Marc:What can I tell you?
Marc:It's very exciting.
Marc:It's very exciting.
Marc:Zahn McLernan is here.
Marc:He's in Reservation Dogs.
Marc:I did an episode with him.
Marc:That show is streaming now on Hulu.
Marc:Great show.
Marc:And now this is me talking to Zahn McLernan.
Marc:You know what it's like talking to a mic?
Guest:I'm working on a cartoon right now.
Marc:You are?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What do you play?
Marc:A snail or a rabbit or a wolf?
Guest:I play a... Yeah, right.
Guest:A vampire.
Guest:A vampire.
Guest:Like an Aztecan vampire.
Marc:Oh, they had to make it a brown vampire.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Brown with green eyes.
Marc:I know.
Guest:Well, that's what they do now.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Everyone has to be represented in the vampire cartoons.
Marc:Inclusion.
Marc:Inclusion.
Marc:We need the Aztec.
Marc:He's got to be a real native and indigenous person.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So he comes from a long line of horrendous human sacrifice and whatnot?
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Is that all in the backstory?
Guest:Not really.
Guest:It's a show called, I don't know, fuck, am I supposed to talk about this?
Guest:Oh.
Guest:Yeah, I think so.
Guest:Is it done?
Yeah.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:They just keep calling me back in.
Guest:That's the way animation is.
Marc:When is this going to be over?
Marc:I know.
Marc:You don't even see the whole script.
Guest:And I actually think every time I'm in there, I'm like, is this it?
Guest:They say, good to see us on again.
Guest:We'll see you later.
Guest:And then I get a call.
Marc:Yeah, just a few more.
Marc:We've added more stuff.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:We understand the character better.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So, my episode, you're on a lot of the episodes, but our episode of... Are you on now?
Marc:Are we on?
Marc:Res Dogs.
Marc:Oh, yeah, we're on.
Marc:Yeah, we've done.
Marc:We're almost done.
Marc:Dude, I love this shroom, man.
Marc:Someone made that for me.
Marc:A fan made that for me.
Guest:You ever done Soul Cibia?
Guest:Sure, I have.
Marc:Once or twice.
Marc:But I don't think I did it with the right spirit.
Marc:Not in terms of who was guiding me.
Marc:I just don't think I was younger.
Marc:I was in college.
Marc:I was not really a fully formed self yet.
Marc:So I was just sort of like, fuck it, let's trip.
Marc:And I just freaked out.
Marc:Didn't ride the wave.
Guest:I think the psychedelics are wasted on the youth.
Marc:That for sure.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, did you do them?
Marc:I've done recently, yeah.
Marc:Oh, yeah?
Marc:Yeah, for- Medicinal reasons?
Marc:Medicinal.
Marc:Now, let's talk about that for a minute.
Marc:But when you do it medicinally, do you trip balls or do you just take a bit?
Marc:It's not clear to me what microdosing means.
Marc:It means you just trip a little?
Guest:No, this was a microdosing.
Guest:This was full on, but with a sitter and somebody who's- A sitter?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:A shroom sitter?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, somebody who's got a degree in- Shrooming?
Guest:Kind of, yeah.
Guest:Dr. Shroom?
Guest:Is that a thing?
Guest:Guys sat with hundreds of people before.
Guest:But no, just somebody who's trained in psychedelics.
Guest:Trained in psychedelics?
Guest:Well, not just psychedelics.
Guest:No, I get it.
Guest:Where do you get that?
Guest:He comes from... I can't remember what school he comes from.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But...
Guest:He's just somebody that walks you through it.
Guest:And, you know, you do it for specific reasons.
Guest:There's a whole, you know, whole outline that you do.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Especially when, you know, you know my past with, you know, being sober for 22 years now.
Marc:Yeah, you would think there'd have to be some framework there.
Guest:Yeah, definitely.
Guest:To make it okay.
Guest:A lot of work.
Guest:But, you know, that's how I got sober was through psychedelics, was through mescalate, peyote.
Guest:Yeah, that's how I kicked heroin.
Marc:Yeah, through peyote.
Guest:Yeah, it was one of the first, it was like an underlying base that I started off on was peyote meetings.
Guest:And then, you know, I got back into 12-step programs as well.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:How long did it take you to kick the peyote?
Guest:It's almost like the last thing you want to go do again.
Guest:It's so non-addictive.
Guest:It's just like psilocybin.
Guest:It's like, I don't want to go do another set.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, what I went through and- When did you get sober?
Guest:2000.
Marc:So it's been a while.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But talk me through this mushroom thing.
Marc:When you say you go for a reason.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Like I did some EMDR therapy, you know, which is the buzzers and the light, however they do it.
Marc:And it seems to me that's trauma focused.
Marc:And if you know what the trauma is and you can get there, you know, you can move through it through that process.
Marc:And I think it's helpful.
Marc:So when you do a guided psilocybin trip for a specific reason, what kind of reason and what's the process?
Guest:uh i i personally did it for health reasons i had some some underlying issues oh yeah i've been dealing with okay and uh that that that fear of uh death yeah uh has crept up quite a bit in the last few years and i was having a hard time dealing with it um really and that was the main reason i went and did a set yeah was it was it how was it manifesting panic
Guest:Panic, anxiety, the fact that it just all of a sudden is right here on an everyday basis instead of somewhere into the future.
Guest:You know what I find helps with that?
Guest:What's that?
Marc:Thinking about killing yourself.
Marc:You always have control over that thing.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:But so how did it help?
Marc:Did it help?
Marc:It did help quite a bit.
Guest:Really?
Marc:What did the guy tell you?
Guest:He didn't tell me anything, really.
Marc:Were you just tripping?
Marc:He's like, grow up.
Guest:Get it together.
Guest:He slapped me on the hand a few times.
Guest:Quit being a baby.
Guest:We're all dying.
Guest:You get to a...
Guest:mindset when you're under the influence of that medicine, and I do call it medicine.
Guest:Yeah, you have to.
Guest:Where you kind of realize that there's not a big difference between
Guest:Here and there.
Guest:Well, one you're awake for.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I'm assuming we're not the same awake.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's very difficult to obviously put into words.
Guest:You hear that quite often.
Guest:But it helped you in that moment.
Guest:It calmed me down.
Guest:It calmed me down quite a bit.
Guest:And it's stuck.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, but what I do now is the meditation to kind of integrate that experience on a daily basis, if that makes sense.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:I go back there when I meditate and remember the experience and that experience never leaves me.
Marc:That experience of almost a spiritual understanding of what was implied by that.
Mm-hmm.
Marc:That there's not much difference.
Guest:Yeah, Paulin talks about it a lot.
Guest:It's a reboot of the system and kind of resets you.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:Yeah, it did quite a bit for me.
Guest:The things that are really important to you in your life, you realize, oh, that's...
Guest:Yeah, I think about that, and it is that important, and it just kind of really inlines you a bit to what's important.
Marc:How long does the reboot really last, though?
Marc:I find that reboots in general only last as long as to when I upload all my old shit.
Marc:Clear the disc, and then it's like, well, I don't want it.
Marc:I got to keep this stuff.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:That's where the meditation comes in for me on a daily basis.
Guest:Keep the clean reboot going.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:And it works?
Guest:Yeah, it's worked quite a bit.
Marc:So our episode of Res Dogs is on Wednesday.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I have no idea.
Marc:Did you get to watch any of them?
Guest:You know, I haven't watched any of them this season.
Guest:Me neither.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Hulu kicked me off.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Hey, Hulu, if you're listening, man, give me back that subscription.
Guest:What happened?
Guest:You know, you get those bundles.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:You lost Hulu?
Marc:I lost Hulu on the bundle.
Marc:It must have been because you rebooted.
Guest:Now you're not supposed to care.
Guest:I guess.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:But I was pissed off.
Guest:I was calling Hulu.
Marc:So Hulu, give me back my damn- You used a phone?
Marc:You used a phone to call them?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:How did that work?
Guest:No, I called the account for, it's Disney, ESPN Plus, and Hulu.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:and they answered their phone and had customer service and all that yeah we've had uh quite a few problems like this in the past and uh we're getting you know a lot of people are getting booted off and we'll do something about it and they they haven't done anything about it i'm gonna have to renew my subscription to watch your dog it's such a funny show i would is that the funniest role you've done would you say as as a character it was is that guy the the funniest guy
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right?
Marc:Because he's so uniquely funny.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was something that I was kind of thrown into at the last minute.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I kind of just said, okay, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do here.
Guest:Let's just jump off and see what happens.
Guest:I base the character on people I grew up around and stuff.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That wasn't my job.
Guest:I was supposed to play Uncle Brownie Sterling.
Guest:Oh, really?
Marc:You were supposed to play Gary's part?
Guest:Yeah, I was supposed to play Gary's part.
Guest:He wrote that part for me, Sterling did, and something happened when they were shooting the pilot.
Guest:One of the actors got COVID, and he called me up.
Guest:I was up in Montana and hiking, and Sterling's like, Zahn, I need a big favor from you.
Guest:I'm like, what's up, Sterling?
Guest:He's like, can you fly here tomorrow and do this part?
Guest:And I was like,
Guest:How much are you going to pay me?
Guest:I was happy to.
Guest:I'm glad it worked out that way.
Guest:I love playing big.
Marc:Well, the thing is that it must have been based on him needing you and you going down there.
Marc:They didn't know how big that character was going to be.
Marc:But I imagine after you did it, they're like, no, we've got to put a lot of this guy in.
Guest:Yeah, Sterling's amazing.
Guest:I've watched him kind of grow up and...
Marc:Well, the first time I saw you, I think, really, and noticed was in that movie, Miko.
Marc:Miko, yeah.
Marc:And I was like, holy fuck, that guy means business.
Marc:That guy's scary.
Guest:That was one of the only parts that I really felt fucking dirty after I got done doing.
Guest:Yeah?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It took me a couple days to shake that one.
Guest:It was weird.
Guest:you know yeah i mean there was moments where i'm like spitting and beating on somebody in the alley yeah cut now go off and i'm like tear coming out of my eye it just it was oh because he had to go there right yeah so but i mean that was really i mean if i'm recalling correctly an incarnation of an evil spirit is exactly what it was it was a witch uh i'm pronouncing it wrong skaniggy uh-huh i think it's pronounced skaniggy and creek okay i always get that wrong but
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Sorry, Sterling.
Guest:He'll be all right.
Guest:As long as it's among you guys.
Marc:And I don't do it.
Guest:I remember being on the set trying to say that word.
Guest:He'd be screaming off.
Guest:Because he's Creek?
Guest:Creek, yeah.
Guest:Creek Seminole.
Guest:And you are?
Guest:Lakota.
Guest:Standing Rock Sioux.
Guest:Hunkpapa.
Guest:Yeah, Hunkpapa.
Guest:Most people don't understand Hunkpapa Lakota.
Guest:So you say Standing Rock Sioux.
Guest:Everybody knows Standing Rock.
Guest:Everybody knows the tribe Sioux.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Which is kind of a derogatory word.
Guest:Is it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We were named...
Guest:It's a longer word than Sioux, but it was the French and another tribe up in northern Minnesota that named a Sioux.
Guest:It means something like kind of in a journal or something that crawls on the ground.
Marc:It's a native slang.
Guest:Yeah, it's something that's sneaky.
Guest:I can't remember the tribe.
Guest:It's a French kind of tribe.
Guest:They named us that because they didn't look down.
Marc:That's why you get the O-U-I-X.
Guest:It's sort of a French trip.
Guest:So it's a dirty word.
Guest:So that's why it comes from slang.
Guest:Yeah, we call ourselves Lakotas.
Guest:Lakotas.
Guest:Yeah, there's Nakota, Dakota, and Lakota.
Marc:Those are the three cultures?
Guest:It's the three languages, the different types of languages within the Lakota people.
Guest:Is that where Dakota comes from?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Lakota is just a version of the language.
Guest:I'm not putting in the right words.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:you know there's a dialect of the language yeah they use the d's and the the lakota use the l's and the naklita which uh the girl in res doc yeah uh uh alexis is nakota from canada uh-huh who plays uh uh willie jack she's great she's awesome man very funny yeah so where did you grow up
Guest:I grew up in Montana, Wyoming, and Nebraska.
Marc:But any reservation life?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My grandparents lived in Browning, Montana, which is the Blackfeet Reservation.
Guest:They left North Dakota, the Standing Rock Reservation in the 50s, and moved up to Browning, Montana.
Guest:And basically, my mom was born on the res in Fort Yates, North Dakota.
Guest:And...
Guest:My grandfather got a job on the Blackfeet Res as a mechanic, so he moved his whole family from Fort Yates to Browning in the 50s.
Guest:So all my aunts and uncles are still up there, my mom's brothers and sisters.
Guest:On the Browning Reservoir?
Guest:Yeah, they're married into the Blackfeet tribe, but they're like a family of Lakotas that live on the Blackfeet Reservation.
Guest:So I grew up 20 miles off the reservation.
Marc:So is that unusual for multiple tribes to be sort of- No, no.
Guest:I mean, not really.
Guest:They just, my dad got a, or my grandfather got a job offer and he just stayed up there.
Marc:Is there that kind of tension?
Marc:Is there tribal tension?
Marc:Sure.
Guest:I mean, there's- I guess-
Guest:joking in between tribes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, like the Pine Ridge, the Ogallala Lakota will make jokes about the Rosebud Sioux, the Sikonju Lakota, you know, and that kind of stuff.
Guest:The Crees and the Blackfeet will joke around.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:There's a lot of teasing involved, but not anymore.
Guest:I think the Pawnee were a rival enemy of the Lakota, and so were the Crow, but it's just more teasing and stuff like that.
Marc:Right now, as opposed to territorial kind of... So, I mean, what's your earliest memories of... Because I can't...
Marc:You know, when you watch something like Reservation Dogs, you know, as a white guy, you kind of realize, like, I have no idea how Native people live currently or any other way.
Marc:I mean, like, I talked to Sterling about it.
Marc:I read a book years ago called On the Res, which I thought was good, but it was written by a white guy.
Marc:Yeah, I've read that.
Guest:Ian Frazier.
Marc:And there was a lot of things in it that made me really appreciate that outside of whatever type of conditions,
Marc:the natives are living in there is a way about life that is thoroughly unique to them yeah you know and i and i think sterling captures that he does very much so um you know the humor especially yeah which has never really been done on a tv show before ever
Guest:There's so much humor involved within the culture and family, just like all cultures.
Guest:There's that bonding, but there's a lot of joking and teasing around.
Guest:I mean, that's where shit ass comes from, is my uncle and my grandma used to call me little shit ass all the time.
Guest:So you brought that in?
Guest:Yeah, I brought that.
Guest:I was improv-ing a scene with the kids, the meat pie stand, and I walked off and I said, goddamn shit asses.
Marc:And it just became a kind of a thing.
Marc:A running thing?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, I mean, all of it, the thing that I notice the most is it's the humor, it's the food, it's the way the generations respect each other.
Marc:There's a spirituality that's broad and animated.
Marc:And it's completely outside of our experience.
Marc:And do you find, when you think back about being on the reservation when you were a kid, do you remember being awful or good?
Guest:do i yeah personally yeah you know i had this thing where because my dad was a washitu which we call that's what we say in in my language uh it's not my i mean yeah it's uh yes it's my my language yeah but i don't speak it fluently yeah so my language is obviously you know some words it's a word from the language yeah that is mine he's a washitu he's a white guy
Guest:oh he is so uh yeah so i'm mixed and where's he from uh he's from denver colorado denver yeah he's an irish little irishman looks like santa claus or he was he's dead now so now did you get along with that guy
Guest:Yeah, well, he was pretty cool.
Guest:Old hippie beat dick guy.
Guest:Old beat dick.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:He worked at a jazz station in the 50s back in Denver.
Guest:Well, Neil Cassidy was a Denver guy, I think.
Guest:Neil Cassidy, he used to have Dizzy Gillespie come over for dinner.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:I think he had...
Guest:I know he met Miles.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:He was a jazz guy?
Guest:He was a jazz guy, but became like a hippie guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He was actually one of the only, not only, one of the first people there in late 60s to early 60s to become a part of Native American church, which is Peyote Way.
Guest:He met my mom in Denver.
Guest:They had me and my twin brother, my older brother in Denver, and they went and lived on a commune outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico.
Guest:and then my little brother was born down there, and then we went from there.
Guest:In Positis?
Guest:No, in... Algodones?
Guest:I can never remember.
Guest:It's right between Taos and Santa Fe.
Guest:Embudo.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:It's just a little community.
Guest:It was a commune.
Guest:they took us down there not a native commune just a hippie no it was a hippie camp yeah they were it was partly native american church which is peyote way peyote way which is native american church is called oh but is it have something what's it got to do with peyote well that's that's the sacrament the medicine that they use every week um
Guest:Not really.
Guest:Not every week.
Marc:It's not like they do with the wafer.
Guest:They might do it.
Marc:On Sundays in the Catholic Church.
Guest:No, they don't sit there and eat the wafer.
Guest:Here's your peyote button for your Sunday.
Marc:Enjoy the next 12 hours.
Guest:Yeah, it's quite a ceremony.
Guest:It does last for 12 hours, but it's quite a beautiful ceremony.
Guest:He went up to Montana anyway.
Guest:Anyway...
Marc:Where are your memories at?
Marc:Do you remember the commune?
Marc:How old were you?
Marc:I don't remember the commune.
Marc:You have a twin brother and an older brother?
Marc:I have an older brother and a younger brother.
Marc:A twin brother, an older brother, and a younger brother.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:My older brother is Rory, which is a good Irish name.
Marc:That's a great Irish name.
Guest:Rory Chitamaza, which means Ironhawk.
Guest:That's his middle name.
Guest:And my twin is four minutes younger than me.
Guest:Four minutes.
Guest:Do you hold that over him?
Guest:You have no idea.
Guest:Oh, the things we're going through in our 50s now because of that.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Oh, boy.
Guest:We're dealing with it.
Guest:I love him.
Guest:He's such a beautiful guy.
Guest:What's his name?
Guest:He's Ahakeku, which means the last one to come out.
Marc:So you didn't do it.
Guest:Mine was the first to come.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And your mom did that?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, uh, my little brother's, uh, uh, spotted horse, which is, uh, uh, which means spotted horse.
Guest:His name is Che.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:Che.
Guest:Named after Che Guevara.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And now he's kind of a, kind of a little bit on the right wing side.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:So he's like, don't call me Che anymore.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Not around these people.
Guest:No, he's like, my name's Gerald Jr.
Guest:And I say, okay, Jay.
Guest:I mean, he grew up with that name.
Guest:Montana was basically my first memories.
Guest:I grew up in Glacier National Park, which is 20 miles off the rest.
Guest:So your dad moved up there.
Guest:Yeah, to work for the National Park Service.
Guest:Really?
Guest:So I lived in Yellowstone for a couple of years.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Glacier National Park.
Guest:I lived in Cuyahoga Valley National Recreation.
Marc:I know a guy, my friend Dean, he was born in Yosemite.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:His old man was a park guy.
Guest:Yeah, it was private government schools.
Guest:Their schools were like 30 people in there, just government employees.
Guest:And what'd your dad do on the park?
Guest:He was a trash truck driver.
Guest:He started out as a trash truck driver, and he worked his way up to a contract specialist, which is like a GS-14.
Guest:So he worked his ass off and made a living, great living, and kept advancing and took care of his four boys.
Marc:And your mom?
Guest:My mom is a program.
Guest:yeah oh yeah 30 40 almost 40 years is that where it came from yeah oh yeah almost 40 years now and uh she uh she went back to the res and they stayed married or nah they divorced in uh in the 90s i think so they were married for 35 40 years uh he just um
Guest:He's just a little hippie, you know, beatnik guy, you know, and he had a government job, so he had all those values and that state of mind, that way of thinking and working for the man, you know.
Guest:But he was in the park.
Guest:Yeah, he was in the park.
Guest:He had to cut his... Actually, there was one time when the Park Service hired him to... They were bringing marijuana into Yellowstone back in the 70s, late 70s, and... Who was?
Guest:Kids.
Guest:They were just, you know, dealing to...
Guest:dealing it to the the seasonal kids who work at work at the sure you know stores and stuff like the park seasonal park rangers yeah and they sent my dad undercover because he the way he kind of looked yeah the hair was a little bit right yeah yeah like that but they sent him undercover because you know he had experience doing this yeah yeah but he was an interesting interesting human being he didn't have the bug though
Guest:You know, I think he had the bug.
Guest:He just was able to kind of keep it under control.
Guest:Yeah, sure.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I just remember seeing him a handful of times really loaded.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And he just took care of us.
Guest:No violence?
Guest:Nah, yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I have some of that going on.
Guest:More just the screaming and stuff.
Guest:From who?
Guest:Your dad or mom?
Guest:Both of them.
Guest:But they stayed together for a long time.
Guest:Yeah, but my mom is...
Guest:She lives in Nebraska now, and I was able to set her up quite well.
Guest:That's nice.
Guest:She's very comfortable.
Guest:What town?
Guest:Omaha.
Marc:Uh-huh.
Marc:I was just in Lincoln.
Guest:Were you?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Go Cornhuskers.
Marc:Yeah, it was okay.
Marc:I did a show there.
Marc:It was pretty good.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:They were happy to have me.
Guest:Yeah, it's a good place.
Guest:I go back quite often.
Marc:There's like 12 people in the whole state, right?
Marc:That's what's weird about those big states.
Marc:When I go play them, I'm like, how many people live in this whole state?
Guest:I know.
Guest:Well, Nebraska's very similar to Oklahoma.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Probably a little, well, Tulsa's kind of liberal, but Omaha's a pretty liberal town.
Guest:Is it?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So when did you kind of like come of age?
Marc:How much time did you spend on the reservation versus the park?
Marc:How did that work?
Marc:Relatives in both places?
Guest:Yeah, the thing is, you know,
Guest:being half white yes and being you know on the weekends my grandparents would take care of me babysit me whatever so you didn't really fit in either place you know that but was it looked down upon or judged sure who's your family you know you don't you don't look you know it's like you don't look full native right where are you from are you right mexican or but it seems like the native culture has absorbed a lot of white people
Guest:Oh, definitely.
Guest:I'm talking about in the 70s.
Guest:There's a little bit more racism in Montana going on, the border towns, et cetera.
Marc:From the natives or from the white?
Marc:From both sides.
Guest:So you're getting it from both sides.
Marc:You're not one of us from both sides.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I spent quite a bit, you know, being in my culture.
Guest:When I became of age, like 13, 14 years old, I started getting more and more into my culture with ceremonies and attending ceremonies and a NIPI ceremony, which is a sweat lodge.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Sun dancing, which is a...
Guest:very powerful ceremony did you like to do but like your old man wasn't part of that right well he's part of native american church in the 60s okay yeah and he dropped he put it away because he was white and right kind of said i need to respect this and leave it to native people for this so you'd go with your mother's family and yeah yeah yeah more you know when i lived in nebraska i started getting into uh more into my culture when i was 12 13 years going to ceremonies and stuff like that and
Guest:My mom pointed me that way.
Guest:She always supported it.
Marc:And you have uncles and cousins, I imagine?
Guest:I've got uncles and cousins.
Guest:Most of them are up in Browning.
Guest:My close ones are.
Guest:Yeah, they're still up in Browning, Blackfeet Res.
Marc:What's the situation up there now?
Marc:I mean, what is it like in terms of...
Marc:living conditions, and, you know, how does it feel?
Marc:Do you know?
Guest:I mean, there's a lot of community up there, but, you know, living conditions are, it's in the middle of the plains in Montana, right below the Rocky Mountains, and it's cold, and, you know, there's not a lot of money, and they've got a brand-new casino up there, and it's kind of become the... The thing?
Guest:The thing, the cultural... Does it spread the money around?
Guest:No.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I don't know the politics of Aaron Browning, you know, but it doesn't seem like it does.
Guest:I don't know how all that works.
Guest:I really don't.
Marc:I've never really.
Marc:But your people are relatively comfortable?
Guest:My mom is comfortable.
Marc:In Omaha, right.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:But the cousins, you know, whatever's going on.
Guest:Yeah, they're fine.
Marc:Yeah, they're fine.
Marc:So where do you go wrong?
Guest:when does that start to happen i go wrong um when i moved to the city for the first time which city nebraska omaha nebraska oh the hard streets of omaha yeah i was like i saw out there was weird i i like had an alley behind my house i'd never seen an alley before but i was here about alleys sure i hit the streets running man well how old were you when you got there
Marc:I was 11, 10, 10 or 11.
Guest:And your whole family moved there?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:In Omaha.
Marc:So that was after Browning, after Glacier Park?
Guest:That was after Montana, after Yellowstone, after Ohio for two years.
Guest:Ohio?
Marc:Yeah, I lived in- What was your dad chasing in Ohio?
Guest:That was a national park.
Guest:They opened up a national park there called Cuyahoga Valley National Recreation Area, which is right south of Cleveland.
Guest:Beautiful, beautiful area.
Guest:So we moved out there.
Guest:That's actually the first time I smoked.
Guest:up there in ohio yeah i was like 10 i think i was fifth grade sure sure what year was this 70s 79 78 there's a weird thing you know all you need is one older kid yeah but i was drawn to those kids sure man oh these guys are cool oh yeah fit right in cigarettes oh my god we everything yeah i mean it was
Guest:yeah because then it was still there was still like some of those it wasn't the hippies but it was that generation just post just rock and roll yeah oh yeah well wmms home of rock and roll cleveland yeah home of the buzzer yeah you know started listening to rock music and yeah man it's a great time so you get to omaha and you hit the alley
Guest:Oh, I hit the streets running.
Marc:All the families there?
Marc:So how about your brothers?
Marc:They turned out all right?
Marc:Everybody good?
Guest:Yeah, we all hit the streets running.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:The crew.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, the crew.
Guest:But yeah, it was an experience.
Guest:I literally grew up in...
Guest:The woods.
Marc:Oh, coming into the city you mean?
Guest:Yeah, coming into the city.
Guest:It was just the public schools and just a brand new experience.
Guest:I loved it.
Guest:I had fun.
Guest:I was like, ah, you know, got out of those damn woods.
Marc:And was there a pretty big native population in Omaha?
Guest:Yeah, Omaha's got a big, big native population.
Guest:Omaha Res is about 40 miles north of Omaha, so there's a lot of big, big community in Omaha.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So when do you start realizing how long between hitting the streets, running...
Marc:And is it before you hit the wall and or figure out that you want to do some acting?
Guest:I hit the wall pretty quick.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Literally, I was 15, I think.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:15 years old when I first, my first one.
Guest:Tried to get sober?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was a strange, strange period.
Guest:It was 82.
Guest:82.
Marc:That was when you got strung out or before?
Marc:No.
Marc:No, I wasn't.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I was smoking a lot of weed.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Just got fucked up.
Guest:Smoking a lot of weed.
Guest:Getting busted?
Guest:Drinking.
Guest:Oh, I got busted a few times, yeah.
Guest:They threw me in jail.
Guest:I was 15 years old.
Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Guest:We were literally sitting in county jail.
Guest:I'm like, you can't put him in G15.
Guest:They were scaring the shit out of me is what they were doing.
Guest:They gave me alternative.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Go do this or you go do that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I took the drug rehab.
Yeah.
Guest:oh you did at 15 yeah so it started there you know how long did you stay sober that time a few years oh yeah yeah we had a really cool pocket of uh young people uh in aa at in nebraska yeah it's pretty cool sure yeah we had a lot of fun and we all we all still some of my best friends uh some of them are still actually sober from that first time wow they're all in omaha yeah
Marc:That's wild.
Guest:It is crazy.
Guest:Yeah, man.
Guest:That's a whole story in itself.
Guest:Somebody should write a book about that.
Guest:The young people in AA in the early 80s when the drug rehabs were opening up and these court systems and throwing these young kids, hot smoking weed in high school, and throwing them in there.
Guest:And a lot of them didn't really have a problem.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:And now they're kind of normal people, but they base their life on that stuff that they learned, and they've taken it, and they've gone other directions with it.
Guest:I mean, they still are normal.
Guest:Right.
Guest:They're just normal people.
Marc:Right, and they don't have a problem.
Guest:Yeah, they never had a real problem.
Marc:And also, they got to experience that, because back then, it was still just their one program, dude.
Guest:Right?
Marc:It was one program.
Guest:That was it.
Marc:So you had to deal with these old AA assholes.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:that didn't even want you talking about drugs i know right right yeah they didn't you know i spilled more than you drank all that and we used to go we used to go to conferences and stuff all over the country and young people's you were you locked in oh we locked in for a few years there and uh we went to founder's day and met lois and
Guest:was that bill's wife bill's wife wow you did the whole thing the whole fan club went to the uh 50th anniversary i didn't go i didn't make it i stayed in ohio to hang out with some friends but all my buddies went up to the 50th anniversary in i think it was in montreal oh really yeah because it didn't start in ohio yeah i started in akron ohio yeah yeah akron yeah yeah so what uh did you start doing any acting in that time
Marc:No, no, no.
Marc:What, what, what took you back out?
Marc:Uh, girls.
Guest:Uh, just being young.
Guest:Cause you're 18.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was 18 years old when I went, went back out and, uh, tried some, having some fun.
Guest:I had a blast, you know, I was just young.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And still in Omaha.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:still in omaha but ended up down in uh phoenix and then uh into la in the late 80s how'd you end up in phoenix i went to school down there to um well what happened was i was i went back out then i got sober again and said i wanted to do something with my life and i went down to phoenix arizona to go to a electrical school and lived with my aunt down there and
Guest:and fell off again and kind of woke up in los angeles so yeah the acting bugs started so did your brothers get clean yeah yeah and they all got they're all doing all right they're doing great man that's great great yeah yeah
Marc:it's kind of wild right yeah so you're in you're in phoenix going to electrical school and you just end up in la yeah i kind of fell off again a little bit yeah yeah a little yeah a little bit and i kind of woke up in los angeles in the 86 i think was the first time oh my god that's when i was here yeah at the comedy stores yeah guns are real good yeah sunset boulevard it was crazy
Guest:That's where you ended up?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Where were you living?
Guest:I lived in my car on Wilcox in Hollywood Boulevard.
Marc:Oh, so you just drove out here and you're like, fuck it.
Guest:Ended up staying with people, met a girl here, ended up living with her.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But did you have a plan?
Guest:No, no plan at all.
Guest:he was just going to see rock shows uh going to see rock shows hanging out in the scene uh because that scene up there on sunset and the roxy and all those places that was pretty crazy up there it was crazy yeah it's a lot of fun it's pretty unique time i mean the the you know sunset boulevard in the 60s was pretty magnificent in the 80s with the hair metal hair metal yeah it was a lot of fun you know we had good times
Guest:you don't play an instrument do you i play guitar you do yeah a little bit i mean i you know i played more when i was back out there doing my thing but so what are you just hanging around doing blow and shit yeah but i did blow a different way i didn't do it up the nose right yeah oh so it was a special club you weren't sharing it with many people
Marc:It was a solitary endeavor.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:No hanging around in bathrooms with three guys with ties.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:You're on your own, man.
Marc:Yeah, no.
Marc:With speedballs?
Guest:Yeah, you know, all kinds of stuff, man.
Guest:I was pretty far into it.
Marc:So, but during that time, you didn't really have a plan.
Marc:You were just, you know, hanging out.
Marc:Were you working?
Guest:No.
Guest:At that time, I wasn't even thinking about acting.
Guest:All I was thinking about was having fun.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Doing drugs.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So, I went back to Nebraska eventually in 89.
Guest:All skinny and fucked up?
Guest:Skinny.
Guest:And I had a car that literally had a dead battery.
Guest:And I...
Guest:Got to Denver, Colorado, and I'd have to push started every day to get it going.
Guest:You have to put a little Mazda GLC.
Guest:And you're running away.
Guest:Yeah, I'm going back to Nebraska to get my head straight.
Guest:And I stopped in Denver and saw a cousin of mine.
Guest:He goes, your battery doesn't work.
Guest:I said, I know that.
Guest:Just give me a push, man.
Guest:I got back to Nebraska and I got clean again and cleaned up in Nebraska.
Guest:And that stuck?
Guest:No.
Guest:No, but that's when I got the acting bug.
Guest:But you felt good for a little while.
Guest:Yeah, a couple years.
Guest:I was good.
Guest:I did some local theater in Nebraska.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Audition.
Guest:Audition for Jesus Christ Superstar.
Guest:So, okay, so you clean up.
Guest:You're a few months clean.
Guest:Yeah, I was looking in the paper.
Guest:I love Jesus Christ Superstar.
Guest:It's one of my favorite albums ever.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:And my dad turned me on to it when I was just a little kid.
Guest:And I knew every song and every lyric.
Guest:Oh, really?
Marc:Dug into your brain.
Guest:Yeah, it did.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I'm not Christian.
Marc:Good songs.
Guest:Yeah, great songs.
Guest:You know what I mean?
Guest:What was it?
Guest:Tim Rice.
Guest:You don't have to be Christian to love Jesus Christ.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Ted Neely.
Marc:Oh, Ted Neely with Jesus.
Marc:So you had the movie soundtrack.
Marc:That your dad played?
Guest:Yeah, it was Ian Gillen from Deep Purple.
Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Saying Jesus.
Guest:Ted Neely did the Broadway, and he's still doing it, actually, to this day.
Guest:Is he?
Guest:Yeah, I met Ted Neely at the Lemley's Theater.
Guest:It's got to be 70-something.
Guest:He is.
Guest:And he's still kicking out those songs.
Guest:Doing Jesus.
Guest:Yeah, he's unbelievable.
Marc:He's done shows in Italy and Europe.
Marc:That's almost a religious suspension of disbelief.
Guest:To have Ted Neely playing Jesus.
Guest:Yeah, he's still doing it, man.
Guest:He's just, you know, it's kind of... He's more... Oh, sure.
Guest:Slow it down.
Guest:Take it down an octave, maybe.
Guest:No, he's still kicking out those screams.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:Anyway, we... What'd you play?
Guest:I was an apostle, man.
Guest:Listen, I saw an ad in the paper.
Guest:They were doing the play at a local community theater across a river in Council Bluffs, Iowa.
Guest:And I said...
Guest:I'm going to go audition for this thing.
Guest:Why not?
Guest:I can't sing a lick.
Guest:I can't sing at all.
Guest:And I went and I auditioned.
Guest:I had to sing a song.
Guest:I did King Herod's song.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I love that.
Guest:So if you are the Christ, you're the great Jesus Christ.
Guest:Prove to me that you're no fool.
Guest:Walk across my swimming pool.
Guest:So I went and did that.
Guest:And they needed a brown person in the cast.
Guest:I had long hair.
Guest:I was the only brown kid in the whole cast.
Guest:We're not going to give you a lead, but we're going to allow you to play in the choir and chorus and be an apostle.
Guest:Go represent.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I fell in love with it, man.
Guest:I was like, wow, this is fun.
Guest:You know, the rehearsal process.
Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Guest:And meeting the people and the camaraderie and the community and then getting up on stage in front of an audience.
Guest:I enjoyed it.
Guest:It was fun.
Guest:And I just started doing local commercials in Nebraska.
Guest:They had a local kind of casting agent?
Guest:They did.
Guest:John Jackson, John Durbin, who's...
Guest:an actor.
Guest:He lived in L.A., and he moved back to Nebraska to do that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He got me into it, and he introduced me to my first agent in L.A.
Guest:when I moved out to Los Angeles.
Marc:When you moved back?
Marc:Yeah, in 90... So what's that guy doing now, that Jackson guy?
Guest:John, you know, what's the guy from Omaha, the guy who did...
Marc:uh great filmmaker i can i'm so bad oh yeah yeah yeah yeah uh jim and uh uh he did nebraska yeah yeah yeah he used to work with jim taylor oh he's a he's a great filmmaker great writer he wrote the no i know yeah he's out go great movies yeah he's his casting director uh it's gonna drive me nuts because i you know i know the guy uh and i've i knew his writing partner he did election
Marc:Yeah, he did all of them.
Marc:Alexander Payne.
Marc:Alexander.
Marc:So let me do that like I just remembered.
Marc:Alexander Payne.
Guest:Right?
Guest:Yeah, Alexander Payne, exactly.
Guest:Alexander Payne.
Guest:So John Durbin or John Jackson casts all of Alexander's movies and stuff.
Guest:And he's still acting as well.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:I used to know his writing partner on Election and on a guy named Jim Taylor.
Marc:He used to write with Payne.
Marc:Yeah, but I don't know.
Marc:He used to be married to Sandra Oh, right?
Marc:Alexander Payne did.
Marc:Great movies.
Guest:He's brilliant.
Guest:I think he's brilliant.
Marc:Dude, that, you know, the one with... The family in Hawaii with Clooney.
Guest:Oh, the Descendants?
Guest:Descendants was great.
Marc:Amazing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But also the Sideways, is that what it's called?
Marc:Sideways.
Marc:Holy shit.
Guest:I know.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:That was with Sandro.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I can watch that movie over and over.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The wine scene.
Marc:Oh, gee.
Marc:Oh, when he takes the spitball.
Marc:Where he's just like, he finds out that they're not going to make his book.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And he just drinks all that spit out of that fucking... Just the shame.
Marc:Just bathing in the shame.
Guest:Giamatti is brilliant.
Marc:Yeah, so that's where you got it, doing commercials.
Guest:Commercials, and I came back out to L.A.
Guest:What kind of commercials did they make you do?
Guest:I did local community college commercials.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:I did one for a medical, the University of Omaha Medical School, construction worker, you know.
Marc:Did you have the long hair the whole time?
Marc:I did, yeah.
Marc:So they knew what they were getting.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Guest:And then I came back out to LA because I had lived here before and I knew some people and, you know, I got on the plane with $200 on my pocket.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:You knew some people that you said, no, man, I'm not doing that right now.
Guest:No, I was like in and out in LA.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:So I knew.
Guest:Right, right.
Guest:Both.
Guest:Yeah, both.
Guest:Got the clean people, the dirty people.
Guest:I had some support out here.
Guest:Oh, good, good.
Guest:So I got out here and got some support for a couple years and hit the road again, you know.
Guest:No shit.
Guest:For about 10 years, yeah.
Marc:But you were working during that time?
Marc:I was.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So you get out here.
Marc:You got representation.
Marc:Got representation, which is the difficult thing to do.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And are you still with them?
Marc:No.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:So you had representation.
Marc:So you're going out.
Marc:Now, what's the experience?
Marc:I mean, is it sort of like we need a native guy?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, pretty much.
Guest:Dances with Wolves came out.
Guest:So we had a thing out here called the American Indian Registry of Performing Arts.
Guest:So it was a group of natives from all over the country that moved out here to Los Angeles to pursue acting.
Guest:And we had a registry and everybody would...
Guest:I was on Hollywood and Highland.
Guest:We'd all get together and we'd have acting classes.
Guest:Really?
Guest:You know, the casting people would come to this registry looking for Native talent.
Marc:Really?
Marc:So you were able to take some classes?
Guest:Yeah, some classes.
Guest:Was that the first time you did it?
Guest:Yeah, basically, yeah.
Guest:And then I started studying with multiple different teachers for the last 30 years.
Marc:So tell me about this, what would you call it, an organization?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, it was called the American Indian Registry of Performing Arts.
Marc:Still around?
Marc:No.
Marc:So that was in the 80s?
Guest:That was in the early 90s.
Guest:Late 80s, early 90s.
Guest:Will Sampson, Wes Studi.
Guest:Yeah, these are the people that kind of came to L.A.
Guest:Not Will, but Wes, Gary Farmer.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, all these guys were starting off in the early 90s.
Guest:So who else?
Guest:Now, who was that guy who was in...
Marc:Dances with Wolves.
Guest:Rodney Grant.
Marc:Yeah, what happened to that guy?
Guest:Rodney lives up in Northern California.
Guest:He's married to a tribal member up there.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So how many people would you say was in the registry?
Guest:There was probably a few hundred.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, a lot of them weren't living in Los Angeles at the time, but they would be contacted.
Guest:They have their picture and their resume in the publication.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:Casting could look at them.
Marc:But there's something so... There's still something kind of awful about the idea that you've got executives going like, well, we need to... We're going to need...
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:We need a few natives.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And we'll just go down to the registry and go through the book.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Go through the book of Fonda.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, I hear you.
Guest:But what are you going to do?
Guest:Now we have, you know, we have native casting directors and we have, well, yeah, we do actually have native casting directors.
Guest:Angelique Midthunder's assistant is native.
Guest:You know, Angelique.
Marc:I just, I can't tell you what a thrill it was for me to be on that set.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Because I could feel the excitement of everyone.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was almost part of history.
Guest:It is, pretty much.
Guest:We've never had a TV show.
Marc:But directors, writers, producers, all native.
Guest:And you have to give FX credit for taking a risk and saying, Sterling, go do your thing, you know?
Marc:It was a real thrill.
Marc:I felt honored.
Marc:And you could just feel this excitement where it's almost like, you know, it is the electricity of actual representation, right?
Marc:From top to bottom.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Except the network.
Guest:That's never going to happen.
Guest:Still got the old white guys at the network.
Guest:Yeah, that's right.
Guest:Yeah, and it's a great time, Mark.
Guest:It really is for everybody.
Marc:Yeah, so what do the first roles do?
Marc:What are you doing, TV?
Guest:The native yelling on the horse kind of stuff.
Guest:You know, native number one sitting by the teepee.
Guest:And I was playing, because I look Latino, I played a bunch of gang member parts on like The Shield and stuff like that.
Guest:And you liked it?
Guest:Yeah, it was work, man.
Guest:I was working, you know, and I was paying my bills.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And then the drugs just crept back in?
Marc:Crept back in.
Marc:And you kept a habit for a decade?
Guest:For about a decade.
Guest:Finally it got to a point where I couldn't do anything, so.
Marc:Oh, really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Just holed up in the house?
Guest:Called the agent and said, don't send me on anything.
Guest:I don't look good.
Guest:I mean, you know, we all got war stories, man.
Guest:I got some good ones.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So you had to pull out and clean up again?
Marc:I did.
Marc:Yeah, I finally did.
Marc:Did you go back to Nebraska again?
Guest:No, I stayed here.
Guest:Oh, you did?
Guest:I really didn't think I was going to be able to do that.
Guest:But I was able to do it with...
Guest:I just locked myself into the whole thing.
Marc:Oh, you didn't check in again?
Guest:Oh, of course.
Guest:I checked in, but the initial detox.
Marc:Was that the first time you got strung out for real, though?
Marc:Like in a sense where you're like, fuck.
Marc:Now I got to get out from under this.
Marc:I got to do the physical withdrawal and all that shit.
Guest:Yeah, the opiates were a motherfucker.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:Still killing everybody.
Guest:yeah now yeah definitely i mean they did then but you got out so now we got out early i agree yeah dude you can just you know any pill yeah you don't know you know i love is uh uh we both know jerry oh yeah you know and i just had him on yeah permanent midnight yeah so yeah that was that was it that was what i was doing oh yeah
Marc:Did you know him when you were out?
Guest:No, I met Jerry.
Guest:Not even Ian.
Guest:I met him at the gym.
Marc:Oh, at the Hollywood Y?
Guest:Yeah, at the Hollywood Y. I knew who he was.
Guest:I read every book he's ever written.
Guest:I'm reading 999 right now.
Guest:That's good, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, it's funny.
Marc:I had him on here for that.
Guest:He's amazing.
Guest:That guy is so talented.
Guest:He's great.
Marc:I was just texting with him.
Marc:I don't know where I'd be without that guy.
Marc:He's been a real sober guidepost for me.
Marc:There's always one guy in your corner that's like, that's the guy.
Marc:He's my guy.
Marc:It's like nothing I can't talk to him about.
Guest:I would love to work with Jerry one day.
Guest:I really would.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Hopefully it'll happen.
Marc:Came close.
Marc:With just that last thing?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Is that show still going?
Guest:Yeah, we got a second season.
Guest:What's it called?
Guest:It's called Dark Winds.
Guest:It's on AMC.
Guest:You're working a lot.
Guest:Yeah, things are good.
Marc:Was there ever a time where you had... Because, you know, you talk to... I talk to people from different ethnic backgrounds, and there was always this sort of, like, you know, the feeling of being... of limitations and typecasting.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:Was there a point where you pushed back on that?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:In the last probably 10 years, I've been kind of pushing back on it a little bit.
Guest:I'd rather stay away from feathers and leathers, we call it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But, you know, if Kevin Costner called me, I'd probably go back on that horse.
Guest:Literally.
Guest:I mean, I did Feathers and Leathers on Westworld, but it was such a different kind of character that I did on Westworld.
Guest:First off, he's a robot.
Guest:It was like an image of what these people who made Westworld thought a savage native was kind of thing.
Guest:and then you realize he's not and he's he's a robot and he's anyway um did a lot of stuff like that i mean that's something unique like that but a typical kind of uh old western yeah you know i'd rather rather do contemporary yeah sure job so i thought like for me like when i first saw i thought powwow highway was a good movie
Guest:Oh, it was a great movie, man.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That was the one that kind of like, that was what, I talked to Sterling about that, too, where I realized, like, there's this whole world that we just are not, you know, in.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Gary Farmer and A. Martinez.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, it was a great film.
Guest:As well as, you know, I liked Thunderheart as well when it first came out, which was a John Fusco film.
Guest:Graham Greene.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Val Kilmer.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What was the reaction to the wolves?
Marc:I mean, there's a mixed reaction.
Guest:I mean, Costner's a good filmmaker.
Guest:And yeah, I think he is.
Guest:I think he's extremely talented.
Guest:But a lot of people thought it was a white savior movie.
Marc:Yeah, that's right, because we mocked it in the episode.
Guest:This is the first time you actually saw natives speaking a language throughout the whole movie, which was the Lakota language.
Guest:So it broke down a lot of barriers, so I try to always look at it.
Marc:Yeah, from that positive... Got me in the business.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, really?
Marc:You were like, we can do it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I first moved out here, Dances came out, and I was like, hmm, I think doors are going to open up for everybody.
Guest:And they did, for a lot of us.
Marc:And what was the Longmire show?
Guest:Longmire was an A&E show we did for three seasons.
Guest:Then Netflix picked it up for another three seasons.
Guest:Just basically kind of a contemporary Western share based on Craig Johnson's books called Longmire.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Which he's a Wyoming author.
Marc:Looks like that had a good run.
Guest:It did.
Guest:Six seasons.
Guest:It was a great show.
Guest:Great people to work with.
Guest:Craig Johnson is an amazing writer.
Guest:It's kind of similar to Dark Winds a little bit.
Guest:Dark Winds is based on Tony Hillerman books about two Navajo cops.
Guest:And Long Wire was based on a kind of a western setting, Wyoming.
Guest:And we shot that down in Santa Fe for six seasons.
Marc:And you did the Fargos?
Guest:I did the second season of Fargo, worked with Noah Hawley, which was amazing.
Guest:You don't know what you're going to get.
Guest:You're getting each script, each episode, and you wonder if you're going to die or not, and you have no idea where Noah's going to take this season, and he ended up taking the character quite far, and it kind of was a breakout character for me, too.
Guest:And I started working constantly after that show.
Guest:Yeah?
Guest:Yeah, I haven't stopped.
Guest:And you love it.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, no, I do, Mark.
Guest:I mean, you know, I'm getting up there and, you know, I'm kind of trying to figure out what I want to do for the rest of my life.
Marc:Me too, dude.
Guest:Yeah, I know.
Guest:Literally trying to figure out what do I want to do for the rest of my life?
Guest:How do I want to spend the next 20 years?
Marc:We're walking up here talking about getting out of California for different reasons.
Marc:I know, right?
Marc:I'm afraid that there's going to be a water panic and everyone's going to be killing each other over water.
Marc:And you're like, I just want to pay taxes.
Marc:Jesus, the taxes are crazy here.
Guest:I mean, I never really looked into it until recently and realized...
Marc:how high they really are you know yeah i don't know man i how old do you do you talk do you say um somewhere up there yeah i'm i'm fucking i'm gonna be 59 this month i'm 55. yeah and uh it i just started six next in october i officially started looking old i think about a year ago yeah like i just started like oh you notice it yeah that hair's going yeah i felt i feel old i i it's more noticeable now you know there's one day when i woke up and it's like yeah you're old now
Guest:Fuck.
Guest:The immortality's right there, man.
Marc:Yeah, that's how we started.
Marc:The mortality thing.
Marc:The way I think about it more than anything else is sort of like, well, I gotta get rid of all this shit.
Marc:I got a lot of shit.
Guest:someone's gonna have to get rid of it yeah yeah no i hear you there's people with more shit than me you're funny it's funny because my buddy's going through the same thing i'm going through the same thing too i've literally got stuff that i can just i it would take me a few days yeah everything i own could go in the garbage yeah right my computer yeah i got one old guitar
Guest:Some pictures on the wall.
Guest:That's about it.
Guest:That's what you got?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You got everything?
Marc:No, I got a lot of shit.
Marc:But that's what you need.
Marc:It's just like there's a weird thing because part of me is sort of like, well, have someone come over here and sell it or give it away.
Marc:I don't know what you do with this stuff, but I don't like throwing things away.
Marc:Then where would you go, though?
I don't know.
Marc:I'm thinking, I know where I'm going, dude.
Marc:If I live and I hold on to the money, I'm going to fucking Vancouver, dude.
Guest:Are you really?
Guest:Fuck yeah.
Guest:Canada.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Have you lived up there?
Marc:No.
Guest:It rains a lot up there, man.
Marc:I don't give a fuck.
Marc:It's beautiful up there, man.
Marc:I was just in Tofino for four days.
Marc:Where's Tofino at?
Marc:It's on Vancouver Island.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Marc:It's beautiful.
Marc:Is that where you want to end up?
Marc:Well, yeah.
Marc:I'm trying to work it out because I don't think anything's going to get any better here.
Marc:You're talking about the fucking water stuff.
Marc:This is water.
Guest:You just want to move it up there because it's beautiful.
Marc:Oh, no, water and fascism.
Marc:There's big problems that we're heading into.
Marc:I know how to get over that border because I lived on that border.
Marc:I'm going to try and do it legally.
Guest:You know the tunnels?
Guest:I know the trails, bro.
Guest:Let's go.
Guest:I lived right on the border for 10 years.
Guest:In which state?
Guest:Outside of Browning, Montana.
Guest:Oh, that's right there?
Guest:Yeah, it's literally 20 miles from the border.
Marc:And you can just get around the guard post?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:They catch you now, though.
Marc:I know, right?
Marc:If you've got your phone on you, they're going to track you.
Guest:I know, right?
Guest:They'll probably track me after they listen to your podcast.
Guest:That's the guy.
Guest:I know.
Marc:But, no, I mean, I...
Marc:Here's what I'm thinking.
Marc:I'd like to find a place, a city in the States that's comfortable and has water.
Marc:And the thing is, because I do this show, I'm sort of tethered to, because I like to talk to people in person, and this is where people come through.
Marc:So as long as I am doing this,
Marc:It's going to have to be New York or LA or I'm going to have to do a lot of Zoom stuff, which I don't love doing.
Marc:I think it's better.
Marc:But two and a half years or between two and three years from now, if I start thinking ahead, there's little smaller cities that I have found appealing.
Marc:I mean, it's easier for you, dude.
Marc:I mean, you don't have to do anything out of your garage and you can fly places.
Marc:What are you thinking?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I'm thinking... I've gone up to Montana, looked around.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Wyoming has no state tax.
Guest:No people either.
Guest:It's perfect.
Guest:No income tax.
Guest:Yeah, it's very small.
Guest:Santa Fe's beautiful.
Guest:I spend a lot of time in Santa Fe.
Marc:The water's not going to last there.
Guest:I don't think it's going to happen in our lifetime, brother.
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:How many pictures of a half-empty Lake Mead do we have to see?
Marc:They're going to be like, found another body.
Marc:So what happens if it...
Marc:Good question.
Marc:I don't think anyone knows.
Marc:I just know they're not going to tell us until the day before.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:This is not a water restriction.
Marc:Do not use your water.
Marc:Bad shit will come out of the faucet.
Marc:I grew up in New Mexico.
Marc:I thought about New Mexico a lot.
Guest:That's right.
Marc:I was looking out there in Cerritos between Albuquerque and Santa Fe.
Marc:Looked at a little place where I drove a mile and a half off the 14 into this beautiful little pocket.
Marc:And I stood out there on the porch of this little house with no cell reception.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:and uh and just listen to the silence and i thought this is amazing yeah and about three minutes later i'm like i can't live here how far am i from a supermarket where am i gonna go for coffee i can't like that too man i really what are you gonna do just sitting out there by yourself you know like going like what what do you do convenience you know uh yeah you can't go up to the coffee shop and i just like going to supermarkets yeah no i hear you
Marc:uh it's a beautiful area though serios and sure it's great you know if you can live like that hippie town there madrid madrid it's all right yeah madrid a little creepy madrid madrid yeah don't call it madrid it's a ghost town yeah but it's yeah well so is uh serios i think is a little mining town yeah but uh but like i was just in pittsburgh and i this is nice yeah
Marc:When was the last time you were in Pittsburgh?
Marc:I haven't been in Pittsburgh ever.
Marc:It's great.
Marc:I live right there in Ohio, too.
Marc:Beautiful little city.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it's kind of coming, I think there's a new life to it, and it's kind of stunning.
Marc:It's an old-ass city.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It's got water, bridges, hills, you know, nice houses, shitty houses.
Guest:Yeah, there's a lot of people are moving out of New York and out of California.
Guest:Tulsa?
Guest:Tulsa?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Tulsa reminds me of Omaha quite a bit.
Marc:It's great, but you start to realize, okay, I've just walked the four blocks, and I'm no longer in the city.
Guest:But you're in the thick of Los Angeles.
Guest:How many times a week do you actually leave the house, Mark?
Marc:I go out.
Marc:Do you go out a lot?
Marc:Well, I go do comedy.
Marc:I thank God for the comedy store.
Marc:I'll go do it every night.
Guest:Oh, you do?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then I go out around here, and I'm going to go to Highland Park today.
Marc:I forget why.
Marc:I have a reason.
Marc:What do I got to pick up?
Guest:Does the traffic get on you?
Marc:Dude, I won't go to the west side.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I'm not going.
Marc:I wouldn't even take a meeting.
Yeah.
Guest:Santa Monica where I'm not going to Sony in Culver City like another fucking planet to let that roll go yeah you're gonna have to give that roll to somebody else I'm not gonna make it over to the west side at four in the afternoon oh yeah back in the day when we're really hustling and going to three or four auditions a week and you go hit those commercial auditions out in Santa Monica and you're like oh it's Friday it's four o'clock it's my whole day and you're fucking stuck in that gotta bring a tent it's gridlock it's the worst yeah
Marc:Yeah, I didn't do a lot of that, but I just remember going.
Marc:It's always sort of like, yeah, we're going to do a general meeting at four in Santa Monica.
Marc:Four in the afternoon?
Marc:I'd rather you schedule one for seven in the morning and I'll leave at four in the morning.
Marc:And then at least I'll have a whole day to get back.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So, yeah, I thought Pittsburgh.
Marc:I like Tulsa.
Marc:I don't think Texas is my thing.
Marc:But I think I would go with the New Mexico dream.
Marc:But you kind of have it still, the Santa Fe?
Guest:A little bit.
Guest:I mean, I spent so much time down there.
Guest:I just got back from there.
Guest:I go back on Friday for a birthday.
Guest:And then I go back late September for four months.
Guest:For what?
Guest:Dark Winds.
Guest:Oh, that's where they shoot it?
Guest:Yeah, so I'm down there all the time.
Marc:People buy houses down there all the time when they're down there all the time.
Marc:Yeah, I'm thinking maybe getting something down there.
Marc:Santa Fe, but not Albuquerque.
Marc:No.
Marc:Yeah, I grew up in Albuquerque.
Marc:I only live in Albuquerque.
Marc:I guess people don't really love Albuquerque.
Marc:It's weird because I had this idea that's sort of like, I'm going to go home.
Marc:yeah i went through all my the life changes there you know i was there from second grade through high school yeah and like i kept going back because my old man's there and he's losing his mind you know but i go visit and i kept thinking like yeah it's gonna be all right and then like every time i'm there i'm like i don't fucking even leave the hotel i go eat two mexican meals yeah yeah and then i'm like what the fuck am i gonna do here right you're stuck in la brother am i for at least two years no i think you're here for good man what are you gonna do more
Guest:I mean, LA is great.
Guest:You're not going to run out of water.
Guest:Not in Los Angeles.
Marc:Do you have a source on this?
Marc:You're just saying that with confidence because you believe the illusion.
Marc:Yeah, right?
Marc:I don't know, man.
Marc:But maybe Pacific Northwest, maybe.
Marc:I don't know, man.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:But in terms of the getting older thing, I do know that I would like to not work.
Marc:And people are like, you could not work.
Marc:I'm like, I'm not sure that's true.
Marc:I would like to go somewhere and just enjoy peace of mind.
Marc:But people go, isn't that an inside job?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:If I could successfully pull my brain out of this race, out of the competition, out of the ego-driven shit, I guess that's a big trick, isn't it?
Guest:it's a it's a it's a big one yeah yeah struggle with that one every day you know how bored would i be if i went fishing next year you know yeah we need to buy all the stuff yeah get out on the boat from the boat the big big the bass boat fly rod i got the vest the vest yeah with the stuff yeah
Marc:Got your flies.
Marc:If you could start tying your own flies, that'll lead up a couple hours.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Are you that guy?
Marc:Are you the guy?
Guest:I would learn, yes.
Guest:It's actually a lot of fun.
Guest:It really is.
Guest:You've done some fly fishing?
Guest:Yeah, I've done some fly fishing.
Guest:I've fished when I was younger a lot.
Guest:That's how I got sober one of the first times was I went fishing every day.
Marc:Yeah?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Bass fishing.
Marc:That sounds like a movie.
Marc:It's kind of like a river runs through it.
Marc:Was that the fly fishing movie?
Marc:Except like it's just a guy sweating.
Guest:Get me away from it, you know?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Again, we're trying to figure out what we want to do for the rest of our lives, you know?
Marc:it's hard for me i don't even really know what makes me happy to be honest with you i do kind of you know i like to play guitar i like to cook i i but i'm just really sort of like accepting that stuff like this is what you know these are the things that i find some joy in do you have those things i do oh good yeah are any of them healthy
Guest:uh yeah oh good yeah they're healthy i uh i had to drop out of i played racquetball for years oh yeah i really got off on that you know for 20 years fast game yeah it's very fast game kept in shape and all that but um i had to drop off that a little bit because of health reasons but uh
Guest:Yeah, I own motorcycles.
Guest:I love taking off and driving on the bike.
Guest:I'll take off long distance and I'll do a month on the road on the motorcycle.
Guest:And camp?
Guest:No.
Guest:Hotels for me.
Guest:I've done that.
Guest:I have camped.
Guest:But, you know, it's like... Why?
Guest:What am I sitting in this tent for?
Guest:I could be in a hotel watching CNN or something.
Guest:What kind of bikes you got?
Guest:I just got rid of two of them, but I have... They're all Harley Davidsons.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's cool.
Marc:Harley.
Marc:Yeah, you got it.
Marc:Brother.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You got it.
Marc:So you'll wear the leather and feathers on the bike.
Guest:Just the leathers.
Guest:No feathers.
Guest:No feathers.
Guest:No feathers.
Guest:Just the leathers.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Good talking to you, man.
Marc:You too, man.
Marc:There you go.
Marc:That was me and Zahn McLernan.
Marc:You can watch seasons one and two of Reservation Dogs on Hulu.
Marc:And I'd also, if you could, like you to hang out for a second.
Marc:Thanks.
Marc:Look, folks, as I mentioned earlier, WTF Plus subscriptions are now completely ad free.
Marc:The handful of ads that we're still hanging around on some recent episodes have expired.
Marc:And this week, we're posting the latest Ask Mark Anything.
Marc:We got a lot of great new questions, plenty of stuff I've never been asked before.
Marc:And we'll post that on Tuesday.
Marc:Go to the episode description on your podcast app and click on the link to subscribe or go to WTFPod.com and click WTF Podcast.
Marc:Plus, and once again, I'll be in London doing a live WTF at the Bloomsbury Theater on Wednesday, October 19th, with comedian and writer David Bediel.
Marc:Tickets for that are on sale now.
Marc:My stand-up shows at the Bloomsbury are on Saturday and Sunday, October 22nd and 23rd.
Marc:I believe they're sold out, but you can check.
Marc:Dublin, Ireland, I'm at Vicar Street on Wednesday, October 26th.
Marc:Oklahoma City, I'm at the Tower Theater on Wednesday, November 2nd.
Marc:I'm in Dallas, Texas at the Majestic Theater on Thursday, November 3rd.
Marc:San Antonio at the Tobin Center for the Performing Arts for two shows on Friday, November 4th.
Marc:And Houston at the Cullen Theater at Wortham Center on Saturday, November 5th.
Marc:I'm in Long Beach, California at the Carpenter Performing Arts Center on Saturday, November 12th.
Marc:Eugene, Oregon at the Holt Center for the Performing Arts on Friday, November 18th.
Marc:And Bend, Oregon at the Tower Theater on Saturday, November 19th.
Marc:In December, I'm in Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel for two shows on Friday, December 2nd.
Marc:And then Nashville, Tennessee, I'm at the James K. Polk Center on Saturday, December 3rd.
Marc:And my HBO special taping is at Town Hall in New York City on Thursday, December 8th.
Marc:Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all dates and
Marc:and ticket info whoo all right let's play some guitar
Thank you.
Marc:Boomer lives.
Marc:Monkey and LaFonda cat angels are everywhere.