Episode 124 - Paul Scheer
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Guest:And it's also... Eh, what the fuck?
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Guest:It's time for WTF!
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Guest:With Mark Maron.
Marc:Okay, let's do this.
Marc:How are you, what-the-fuckers?
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Marc:Back in rotation.
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Marc:I am Marc Maron.
Marc:This is WTF, my podcast.
Marc:Thank you all for listening, as always.
Marc:And thank you all for gathering around in Pontiac, Michigan, in a small upstairs showroom at the Crowfoot Ballroom,
Marc:for a little live comedy.
Marc:That was intense and amazing.
Marc:I really appreciate you guys coming out.
Marc:And, you know, I want to apologize.
Marc:I honestly do.
Marc:If I mischaracterized Detroit and the surrounding areas in any of my social networking or perhaps on this podcast, I got that email I read at the last show.
Marc:I still have no sense of the Detroit area because I arrived.
Marc:I was very tired.
Marc:That was quite a bit of traveling because I chose cheap tickets.
Marc:Never again.
Marc:I'd rather pay the extra 50 to $100.
Marc:I flew to Detroit from Los Angeles via Vietnam.
Marc:Okay, it wasn't that bad.
Marc:I flew via Paris.
Marc:No, it wasn't even that bad.
Marc:I flew via Philadelphia.
Marc:And I'm one of these people that I could never do that.
Marc:Even if the ticket was significantly cheaper, I'd rather take the head and eat it to not fly past my location than come back.
Marc:Because it seems to me that like, OK, so I'm I'm risking my life to drive by to fly by where I need to go in order to come back to save what?
Marc:Fifty dollars.
Marc:Now, granted, the risking the life things, it's a little that's I mean, the odds are with me.
Marc:But nonetheless, it took me like nine hours to get there.
Marc:And then coming back, I flew Detroit to North Carolina to Los Angeles on U.S.
Marc:Airways.
Marc:Not terrific.
Marc:They don't even have any they don't even have any any televised entertainment.
Marc:I know I should bring my own, but nonetheless, I'm not going to shit on U.S.
Marc:Airways.
Marc:But I did get there and I got to Pontiac and I really had a lot of fear in my head, you know, coming into Detroit, knowing that the state was in trouble, knowing that a lot of people were unemployed, knowing that Detroit was in ruins to some degree.
Marc:And then people started emailing me about, you know, how Detroit is a great place.
Marc:Michigan is still a great place that we're going through some hard times.
Marc:I felt like an asshole.
Marc:For condescending to it and believing the hype.
Marc:And when I got to Pontiac, it was very interesting.
Marc:It was this empty street.
Marc:It seemed that it was at some point someone's big idea to revive that area.
Marc:Granted, it was a Monday night, but it was very exciting to drive up in my shitty rent-a-car.
Marc:with my duffel bag full of swag to see a bunch of you what the fuckers standing you know huddled around each other because it was a little chilly out in front of a venue that hadn't opened yet and then I was sort of put in the position to kind of hang out and wait with you because I couldn't get in either and it was nice to meet all you guys and I think we had a nice show we all got up there there was not enough chairs and we started pulling chairs in from the other room and it all worked out
Marc:And I think I cured a guy of his hiccups.
Marc:Some guy right up front, stage left, had the hiccups.
Marc:And I couldn't help but address it because in the quiet moments of a joke where there's a little silence and some guys are like, you know, it's a little distracting.
Marc:And it kept going on.
Marc:And I knew that other people must be noticing it.
Marc:And I figured that if I were to draw attention to it, that if they weren't noticing it, they'd notice it more.
Marc:But it was irritating me.
Marc:So I just I eventually said, dude, how long is this going to go on for?
Marc:He goes, I don't know.
Marc:I think they're done.
Marc:And I'm like, I don't know if they're done.
Marc:And then I started a joke.
Marc:And right as I started the joke, I jumped off the stage and I screamed into the mic right into his face to scare the fuck out of him.
Marc:And I swear to you, they went away.
Marc:They went away.
Marc:Good times.
Marc:On the show today, one of the original creators of Human Giant, Paul Scheer.
Marc:You also may know him from the popular new FX show, The League.
Marc:He is part of that ensemble with a few other guys that have been on this show.
Marc:Nick Kroll, Steve Renazzisi.
Marc:But Paul is here today.
Marc:He's got...
Marc:Surprisingly, you know, you think you know some people.
Marc:But I knew nothing of him.
Marc:We weren't really buddies.
Marc:But, you know, you make assumptions about somebody.
Marc:And then you're surprised.
Marc:So look forward to that.
Marc:Again, thank you, Pontiac.
Marc:And also tomorrow night at the UCB Theater here in Los Angeles.
Marc:That would be the 19th, 8 o'clock p.m., live WTF with Aaron Foley, John Daly, Eddie Pepitone, Jim Earl, and Dr. Steve.
Marc:But don't tell Eddie Pepitone because we're doing a little intervention.
Marc:So that aside, let's get to the issue at hand and that is airline travel.
Marc:That's what I'm going to tell you right now.
Marc:I do a lot of it because of my racket, my biz.
Marc:And I was flying with Jessica to Hollywood, to Fort Lauderdale, Florida on, what are we going, Monday for Thanksgiving.
Marc:Spend some time with my mother.
Marc:And I go to check my tickets on Virgin America.
Marc:And we had booked a month ago.
Marc:And we had seats together.
Marc:And then I go to the to the reservation and the seats are two middle seats on opposite sides of the plane.
Marc:I was fucking livid.
Marc:I just don't know how much I mean, this may be a little thing, but at some point, you know, we get to this place where we're so powerless in the face of corporations and how they treat especially air travel.
Marc:I don't know when we all just decided that, like, well, whatever they tell us is just bullshit.
Marc:We paid for a ticket and we got a seat, but we may not even get on the plane.
Marc:And somehow we just tolerate that.
Marc:I know it's a small thing, but at some point you got to make a stand.
Marc:And I did something that I don't usually do, and I certainly wouldn't do it to an individual, but I bullied Virgin America on Twitter.
Marc:I did it.
Marc:I tweeted that, you know, what the fuck is this?
Marc:Because I called the call center.
Marc:And of course, they were like, well, there's nothing we can do when you get to the airport.
Marc:You can try to remedy this.
Marc:And I'm like, no, that's not the point.
Marc:We paid for seats a month ago.
Marc:How the fuck were we the ones that got moved?
Marc:And they're like, well, sir, we can.
Marc:I didn't say that because I learned a lesson a long time ago that apparently customer service, it's not their job to be yelled at by you and they will hang up on you.
Marc:And that's an awkward moment when you're yelling at a customer service representative and they say, I don't have to take this and they hang up on you.
Marc:So if you're going to engage, be polite, but be, you know, be forceful, you know, you know, persistent.
Marc:So I said, well, I want to talk to a supervisor about why we got moved.
Marc:Why were we picked?
Marc:Why am I the low guy on the totem pole?
Marc:It could be a lot of reasons.
Marc:It could be I don't fly a lot.
Marc:Maybe the fare of the ticket.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:But I talked to a supervisor and she said, look, what happened was is that, you know, someone else was flying through.
Marc:It was a continuation flight and they didn't have the seats blocked out at the time.
Marc:And I'm like, how is that my problem?
Marc:And now I got to sit, you know, opposite ends of the plane from the person I'm traveling with who I'd like to be next to if we do die.
Marc:Because if the plane is going down, I don't want to scramble to the back of the plane to sit on my girlfriend's lap so we can die together.
Marc:And also it's nice to have someone to talk to.
Marc:Those are two very extreme examples of why traveling together is good.
Marc:But nonetheless...
Marc:They said, well, look, there's nothing we can do here.
Marc:This is just a call center.
Marc:I said, well, should I call guest services?
Marc:And they said, I wish you would, because we're not in a position to do anything other than what I'm doing right now.
Marc:And I had sort of a candid, you know, intimate conversation with this customer care person was like, yeah, I hear you, man.
Marc:When the customer service person at the call center is like, no kidding.
Marc:You know, we're strapped.
Marc:We're in a we're in a bind as well.
Marc:And I'm like, well, I'm going to fucking take this to the people.
Marc:So I tweeted it.
Marc:I basically said, why at Virgin America did you change my seats?
Marc:And then, of course, I said a few other things.
Marc:And I asked people to rally around me, which you didn't, which was probably smart.
Marc:But I was I was a little taken aback that I didn't get more support.
Marc:And within an hour of tweeting it, I got.
Marc:I messaged by the representative at Virgin America, who I guess was in charge of their social network, who said, let's deal with this tomorrow.
Marc:He gave me his email.
Marc:I emailed him my information.
Marc:And also I got this was the one good thing I got from Twitter.
Marc:Somebody told me the Twitter handle of of the VP of publicity for Virgin.
Marc:So I tweeted her as well.
Marc:And I got an email this morning saying, you know, we're going to deal with it.
Marc:And then within an hour, I was I was given new seats together.
Marc:So I appreciate the customer service.
Marc:But the fact that I had to go to that extreme to get something done and the fact that most of us stop at that first wall at the call center.
Marc:And we and we suck it up and we take it and we go to the airport, you know, with entering our vacation or our business trip with frustration and fear of being fucked by an airline.
Marc:I just don't know when it became like that.
Marc:And I know it's something we all take for granted.
Marc:But then some people started tweeting, you know, quit whining.
Marc:You know, fuck you.
Marc:You know, whining.
Marc:What is whining?
Marc:So what are we supposed to do?
Marc:And these are the same people that are like, don't be a pussy, quit whining.
Marc:But when am I supposed to whine?
Marc:When is whining not just justified anger?
Marc:And it was never whining.
Marc:Are we just supposed to suck it up and be bitter and accept the fact that we're being screwed on a day-to-day basis by corporate entities that give no shit about us at all and only care about their bottom line and just expect us to behave differently?
Marc:You know, in reaction to their insensitivity.
Marc:I mean, where is there in this world right now?
Marc:Where is there not a better cause?
Marc:I know, obviously, I'm just talking about an airline issue and a seating problem, but I think it travels.
Marc:I think it goes all the way up the chain.
Marc:If we just suck that up and say, well, it's just the way it is.
Marc:Where is that anger going?
Marc:I'll tell you where it's going.
Marc:It's going into obesity.
Marc:It's going into cancer.
Marc:It's going into domestic abuse.
Marc:It's going into, you know, to to hitting your dog.
Marc:Heart attacks.
Marc:For fuck's sake.
Marc:Take him to task if you can.
Marc:Put the extra effort in.
Marc:We don't have to fucking surrender at every goddamn turn.
Marc:Man, I'm all full of the beans.
Marc:Let me change my tone.
Marc:Jesus.
Marc:Thank you, Virgin America, for being so upright in your response and in your amazing customer service.
Marc:I'm not being paid for this plug, but they did fix it.
Guest:Are you a clue in a TV Guide crossword?
Marc:I was, yeah, years ago, back in the day, I was a clue in a TV Guide crossword.
Marc:That was a big day for me, Paul.
Guest:That is pretty amazing.
Marc:Have you ever been a clue in a TV Guide crossword?
Marc:No, I can't say that I have.
Guest:Does TV Guide even exist anymore in that form?
Guest:You know, TV Guide now is like a Time magazine.
Guest:It's a big, like, glossy.
Marc:So that's the only magazine that's actually grown.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:In the last few years.
Marc:You were in on the ground floor.
Marc:That was back when it was tiny, back when we remembered at the checkout counter when we were walking through it with our parents.
Guest:That was the best, to look through TV Guide before you would come home and be like, oh, I'm going to watch this show, what's happening, and reading it.
Marc:Yeah, and actually, there was a time, I think, where I think...
Marc:I made notations.
Marc:Oh, yeah, of course.
Marc:Like, I'm gonna mark that, and then you forget to look at it again, because you don't look at the TV guide.
Guest:I remember being envious of a friend who had a VCR, because there used to be, like, numbers at the end of it.
Guest:It would be like, you know... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:You know, Beverly Hillbillies, like, 475.
Guest:Oh, you programmed it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I wanted that VCR so bad.
Marc:It's like, make life so simple.
Marc:Oh, shit.
Marc:I forgot that that VCRs did that.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That it had this weird number assignment.
Guest:And you could just put it in and it would automatically tape that one.
Marc:That was the evolution of TiVo and of, what do you call it?
Marc:What is it now?
Marc:DVR.
Marc:DVR.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That was the beginnings.
Guest:I know, probably more complicated than anything, but that was awesome.
Guest:I mean, I can't imagine how that actually worked.
Guest:Do you remember how complicated everything was?
Guest:Holy shit.
Guest:Taping things before you have to leave the house and different videotapes.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Or just cassette tapes.
Marc:I mean, how old are you?
Marc:I am 33.
Marc:Paul Scheer is 33.
Marc:Are you sure?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I never really think about it.
Marc:So then I just, yeah.
Marc:So you're 33.
Marc:You're doing all right.
Marc:I'm doing all right.
Marc:So what does that mean?
Guest:You were in junior high when?
Guest:I was in junior high.
Guest:Oh, junior high.
Guest:In high school, I was in the high school in the 90s, like 92, 93, 94.
Guest:I can't even imagine that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then I went to NYU.
Guest:And I was in NYU in 95.
Guest:And I was like touring around the country with Chicago City Limits, which is this old...
Guest:thing back in new york city i remember that chicago city limits was leslie upson yeah and john weber and john weber and leslie upson were married and i believe they still are and john weber now owns a wrestling thing he's a wrestler and leslie is a manager of him from what i understand like out here in california like a sort of crazy wrestling i went to college with leslie upson oh really yeah she was super funny she was an english major
Marc:Very nice.
Marc:And you were part of that Chicago City Limits, so you did improv touring.
Guest:Yes, I was the youngest member at the time, and I was lying to everyone about my age so I could go out to drink with them afterwards because I was too young to get into bars.
Guest:But I was like 18 years old, traveling around, like going school, get out for NYU on Thursday, and I travel like Friday, Saturday, Sunday, come back Monday.
Marc:Wasn't the whole improv touring thing sort of for wash-ups though?
Marc:I mean, did you find yourself around people that you would consider perhaps failures?
Guest:You know, back then I was looking up to everybody.
Guest:Back then it was always like, I can't get a commercial agent.
Guest:I was like, oh, I've got to get a commercial agent.
Guest:These guys are so far ahead of me.
Marc:So you were surrounded by bitterness.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That was your map.
Marc:Like, you know, everything that they were saying, God damn it, why can't I?
Guest:And you're like, I can.
Guest:I got to get into this.
Guest:But, you know, I was there with Andy Daly was there back then.
Guest:He was touring?
Guest:He was actually above me.
Guest:Like, Andy was in the main stage, which performed, you know, every night, Monday through Friday.
Guest:Oh, in New York.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was in a basement, wasn't it?
Guest:It was in a basement for a while.
Guest:Then it moved over to 60th and 1st, right across from Dangerfields.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Did the energy get sucked out of the place by Dangerfields across the street?
Guest:The dark, weird... That was a weird place.
Guest:I remember going in there and walking in and hearing the first joke.
Guest:It's like, you ever have a fart?
Guest:And people are like, yeah.
Guest:And they were like, a fart is just like a shit in prison and just crying to get out.
Guest:That joke is ingrained in my mind when I think of Dangerfields.
Guest:That is the joke that I remember all the time.
Marc:Was that a moment following, like, I wonder what stand-up's like?
Yeah.
Marc:And you're like, I wonder if maybe I could try stand-up comedy.
Marc:I'm going to walk across the street.
Marc:Check out Dangerfield.
Guest:Is that what it was?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, I was a big comedy nerd.
Guest:So I was just excited.
Guest:Like, oh, this is Rodney Dangerfield might be here.
Guest:Not knowing that that was not the case at all.
Marc:He actually was there at some point.
Marc:Was he there for a while?
Marc:Yeah, in the 80s.
Marc:He was around in his bathrobe being awkward.
Marc:Have you ever encountered him?
Marc:Yeah, a few times.
Marc:Was that interesting?
Marc:Well, yeah, I'd seen him around.
Marc:I saw him when I was a doorman at the comedy store.
Marc:OK, he never worked there and he was trying to do three minutes for he was presenting an Oscar.
Marc:So we're trying to run this.
Marc:So he gets out of his limo with his own drink.
Marc:Right.
Marc:You know, and there's women in the limo and he comes on.
Marc:He goes on stage.
Marc:He does a couple of jokes.
Marc:And then someone in the audience said, hey, Rodney, why are you so sad?
Marc:And he was like, what?
Marc:Huh?
Marc:What kind of... Who says that?
Marc:And it got really weird, and he had no way to deal with it, and he never came back in the club.
Marc:And I remember that night, he was sitting... Every once in a while, celebrities can only hang out with celebrities.
Marc:You find them in weird groupings sometimes.
Marc:I remember in a booth, it was Ted Nugent, Bruce Willis, and Rodney Dangerfield.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:I'm like, how does that happen?
Guest:I want to hear that conversation.
Guest:That's the most insane thing.
Marc:What are you talking about?
Guest:and i don't even know how to do bruce willis would you um you do impressions no no i don't really do impressions i do bad impressions so when you were a kid who were your guys i mean if you were a comedy nerd um i remember when the first album that really like i found an old robin williams album in my dad's uh reality what a concept yeah and i remember the joke from that being like and now it's time for new york echo hello shut the fuck up
Guest:and like that and be like whoa just hear your mind and i was like this is amazing and i cherish that album and i love that album and then my dad got me into snl but into snl when it was like billy crystal and christopher guest and eddie murphy so i was like really into eddie murphy and delirious and and then that kind of like transitioned into like ben stiller show and into mr show and all that sort of stuff yeah
Marc:But this whole touring improv thing, that fascinates me.
Guest:Oh, it was gross.
Marc:But you toured, right?
Marc:So there was a company that was always in New York, and then certain people were selected to go in a van?
Guest:Well, yeah, we were the ones that wanted to be the people who stayed in New York, but we were sent out on the road, and we would go to a... Was it sort of like, this is part of your training?
Guest:It was kind of like you're not good enough to be on the main stage, but you can go out on the road.
Guest:And I literally did a bar mitzvah in someone's New York City apartment where backstage was their kitchen where they were preparing food.
Guest:How many people?
Guest:Five people in the group in the kitchen, and then the bar mitzvah, I would say, I don't know, like 50, 60 people.
Marc:So you got paid a certain amount of money per show.
Guest:Like 100 bucks a show.
Marc:And you're in someone's Upper West Side or East Side apartment?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Literally in their kitchen and coming out in costumes and singing like, all right, give a suggestion.
Guest:Subway.
Guest:Well, Subway gives me a case of the blues.
Guest:And you're like, I got the Subway, the Subway, the Subway blues.
Marc:And you've got all these overdressed 13-year-old kids laughing their asses off?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:no no not there not like in that person's house that was not the failed why because they were distracted or yeah it's like you're in what's with the weird grown-ups yeah like why are they in our living room what are they doing and that was awkward i that taught me how to eat shit better than anything i've ever done really and there's the disappointed jappy mom going well what are you doing yeah it was like we want you to do the full show an hour and a half and you're doing an hour
Guest:hour and a half in these people's living rooms did you yeah they're eating food and yeah I did the whole during the dinner so they had it set up at the place oh yeah I got and we and then we went on the road we went in the deep south got kicked out of places because I wore a dress in a in a hilarious sketch where I played Monica Lewinsky or something right three years after probably Monica Lewinsky was relevant and uh you know uh
Guest:Was it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Pardon me, boys.
Guest:Have you seen the presidential penis?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That was the kind of caliber.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:It was like bad capital steps.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But but I was in a dress and people down south were like, no, we're in.
Guest:It was in one of the Carolinas.
Guest:I feel like it was in North Carolina.
Marc:Let's try not to generalize all people down south, but those specific people in that community.
Guest:Where were you playing?
Guest:We were playing a high school, and we were down south, and I was in a dress, and we did the first show.
Guest:It was like a 2 o'clock in the afternoon show.
Guest:Right after the show, they said, the rest of your shows are canceled.
Guest:We don't want to see men dressing up as women.
Guest:And we also apologized for the black kids.
Guest:They were too abusive to you during the show.
Guest:You're kidding.
Guest:Yeah, and that was the weirdest thing.
Guest:Actually, they never said black kids.
Guest:They said...
Guest:There's a lot of kids here in this audience from the wrong side of the tracks, and they were abusive, and we apologized.
Marc:Were they abusive?
Guest:No, not at all.
Guest:But it was really weird.
Guest:That was the first time we were on the road, and you felt like, oh, wow, that's like segregation.
Guest:You're fired, fag.
Guest:Sorry about the blackies.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You fags are better than these blacks, so... But, you know, it's like... But it was... Yeah, like, we were in some weird, rough spots, and it was always... But, like, when you were working with an audience, I mean, what was some of that shit like?
Marc:I mean, like, if it's weird and rough, I can't imagine the suggestions were... Was there any sort of, like, get off!
Guest:That's my suggestion.
Guest:You know, it was more like...
Guest:I feel more embarrassed about what we did.
Guest:It was like, whose line is it anyway?
Guest:So it was a lot of like, we need an occupation.
Guest:Proctologist.
Guest:It was like, all right.
Guest:Yay, we got that prepared.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:And you used to do like 10 ass jokes.
Guest:So you did fake improv.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Fake improv.
Guest:Like, every time this bell rings, you'll change the last word that you said.
Guest:Ding.
Guest:You know, it's like, torture the actor.
Guest:You get a phrase, and the actor leaves, and they have to come in and guess the word.
Guest:And back then, though, I was like, this is...
Guest:is this is art like i literally was in high school and i saw that and i said to my dad i was like i want to do this yeah and my dad's like okay we'll take classes and brought me into the city and i was taking classes with people in their 20s and 30s where at uh chicago state limits that's where you started yeah and where'd you where'd you grow up i grew up in long island and i would come into manhattan to take so you had good you jewish no i'm not uh-huh um but uh not that it matters no but i sure should be jewish i know people think i'm a stage jew
Guest:People assume I'm Jewish.
Marc:Oh, that's all right.
Marc:So what kind of parents did you have that would be so nice to let you do whatever the fuck you wanted to do?
Guest:My parents were divorced, and my dad was super cool, and he would always be like... He was like the like-me dad, the cool dad?
Guest:Yeah, he was the like-me dad.
Guest:He was the dad that would literally tape Beverly Hills Cop and cut out the nudity so I could watch it, or like Armed and Dangerous and be like, all right, I cut out the nudity.
Guest:Your dad was an editor?
Guest:Well, he would do it over on two VCRs just so I could see stuff.
Guest:Oh, that's hilarious.
Guest:He would tape Saturday Night Live for me and give me that.
Guest:And I was like, so my dad was very like into, I'm sure he'll be listening to this too.
Marc:You live with your mom?
Marc:Yes, I live with my mom.
Marc:So your mom was like in that position where she's got to train and be the disciplinarian and be the bad guy.
Marc:And your dad's like, it's party time.
Guest:My dad was the cool dad.
Guest:He was like, let's go in the city.
Guest:We'll go see comedy.
Guest:I'll take you to go take these classes.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:And I do remember, though, I took this class and, you know, everyone after the class went to Central Park and was smoking a joint.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I was, you know, like 14 years old.
Guest:I was like, what is that?
Guest:Drugs.
Guest:Like, what are they doing?
Guest:Drugs.
Guest:And I remember saying to the girl in my class who I had a friendship with, I was like,
Guest:can you believe he's smoking pot?
Guest:And she's like, yeah, what's the big deal?
Guest:I was like, oh, I mean, where'd he get that?
Guest:And she's like, what's the big deal?
Guest:And like a couple of weeks have passed.
Guest:I was like, I still can't believe that guy was smoking pot.
Guest:She's like, what, really?
Guest:What's your problem?
Marc:And then two weeks later, you're smoking pot.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Totally smoking pot.
Guest:But I just was so like lying about my age all throughout that early time.
Guest:Well, what else did you learn in that time since you were the kid and they all knew you were a kid?
Guest:I mean, they didn't know.
Guest:They all thought I was a freshman in college.
Guest:And I told him I was a freshman and I told him I was a freshman in college, but I was only a freshman in high school.
Guest:Oh my God.
Marc:So yeah, I didn't know anything.
Marc:But did you, was that like, did you, was there sort of rites of passage?
Marc:Did you do your first pot smoking with them?
Marc:Did you get laid by an improv girl?
Guest:No, I, it was basically, I was a lot nerdier than that.
Guest:I was, I was the one just making up excuses, like literally being on the phone on a Friday night in my house in Long Island.
Guest:Like, we're going to this party tonight.
Guest:Come out to this party.
Guest:I got a lot of work to do.
Guest:I can't come out just lying.
Guest:Like a lot of work to do around the apartment.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I just got a lot of work.
Guest:You know, I'm going to college party.
Marc:Like,
Marc:Oh, no.
Guest:Terrible.
Guest:And then I eventually met up with that girl who thought I was like 18 or 19 many years later.
Guest:And then she realized how old I was and just was mortified.
Guest:No one ever caught on?
Guest:No, no one ever caught on.
Guest:Because then I stopped for a long time taking those classes.
Marc:So where were some of the other places you went?
Marc:I want to hear some more shitty stories.
Guest:Oh, yeah, sure.
Guest:I mean, I'm trying to think.
Guest:I mean, we've done, we did everything.
Guest:We did a lot of colleges.
Guest:We did a lot of Jewish community centers.
Guest:I'd done some of those.
Guest:They're weird because it's usually old people, isn't it?
Guest:Yeah, there's a lot of old people, and they're not the best audiences.
Guest:I feel like we went to a lot of places where it was sort of like, oh.
Marc:How are you going to entertain them away from the Holocaust?
Guest:Right, exactly, right.
Guest:Well, we would always get these notes before a show, like, please, no Holocaust jokes.
Guest:Please, no jokes about this.
Guest:Or the worst was doing industrials, where you would go and be like, for Merck Medco, like, all right.
Guest:Make sure you say, Johnny's a great golfer.
Guest:Right, right.
Guest:And it was always given to you by the one person who, like, every fact that that person gave you, no one else in the audience knew but that person.
Guest:So you'd be like, well, I'm like Johnny on the golf course over here.
Guest:And you'd hear one person go, ha, ha.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like on the deadly silence.
Marc:Right.
Guest:And it was usually the boss.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Everyone laughed late.
Guest:Like, oh, yeah.
Guest:Dressing up as like giant, like a literally like a muscle, not like a clam, but like a muscle, like a body muscle, like, you know, you were.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like a singing pharmaceutical.
Guest:Like, bad news.
Guest:This is an awful, awful story.
Guest:Bad, bad, bad stuff.
Guest:But that was me from 18 to 21 until I saw UCB.
Marc:All right, I'll let you off the hook.
Marc:Yeah, no, it was... The fact that, like, as a comic, if I got a corporate, there was just no way I would get hired for them, number one.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And number two, like, the amount of...
Marc:of weird ass kissing and pandering and the repetition of it, I would have wanted to hang myself.
Marc:Are we still pretty excited throughout all that?
Guest:I was super excited because I was like, oh, I'm getting paid $50 to go to Albany and drive for seven hours.
Guest:I'm on the road.
Guest:This is so much fun.
Guest:My biggest amount of trouble that I got into was I called somebody a cunt.
Guest:which was in an improv in an improv how did that uh you get a suggestion it was backstage it was actually backstage and we were on there was this girl who was in our group who was not very well liked and eddie pepitone i was with eddie pepitone and sean conroy he did oh this for ucb or for this is chicago they were both in chicago yeah
Marc:So this UCB didn't exist, really?
Guest:No.
Guest:In New York, certainly.
Guest:Yeah, I actually saw UCB.
Marc:No, they did.
Marc:That's where they started, really, wasn't it?
Guest:Well, I saw UCB when they first got to New York, and that's what kind of opened up my mind.
Guest:Before they set up the school.
Guest:Yeah, I was there when they were doing an ASCAP for five people on the fifth floor walk-up above a hardware store.
Marc:I remember that space, and it had those weird chairs, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Those kind of plasticky industrial chairs.
Marc:Those shitty, like, yeah.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Let's get back to cunt.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:So I was backstage and Pepitone was saying, I can't perform with this person.
Guest:She's terrible.
Guest:I can't perform with this person.
Guest:She's like, she's driving me crazy.
Guest:I can't do it.
Guest:I can't go on.
Guest:I can't go on.
Guest:I don't feel safe with her.
Guest:And I said, I don't feel safe.
Marc:That's so Eddie.
Guest:And I go, Eddie, she's a cunt.
Guest:Leave it at that.
Guest:And she was standing right behind me.
Guest:And she heard it, and she walked off the show.
Guest:Literally, I was like, I'm leaving during the middle of the show, which forced us to finish the show, just me, Sean.
Guest:Who put the dress on?
Guest:And then I had to put the dress on again.
Guest:Being the youngest, I put on the dress.
Guest:And we got into trouble because she left and went home, and there was this whole big meeting.
Guest:Who called this person a cunt?
Guest:Who saith the cunt?
Guest:And I was like, me.
Guest:It was me.
Guest:I said it.
Guest:And it was like, no, no, no.
Guest:You're too young to have said that yourself.
Guest:Eddie made you say it.
Guest:It was like, Eddie got the blame for me.
Guest:It was only me saying it.
Guest:Eddie was a fall guy.
Guest:He took the hit for the cunt.
Guest:And Eddie's like, shit, you got to take this because you can do this time on your head.
Guest:I'm an old man.
Guest:I can't do this.
Marc:I can't do this.
Marc:He's already an old man.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so, like, that was the beginning of the end.
Guest:The cunt story and then getting phone calls from everybody.
Guest:This woman's husband who called me up and was like, you called my wife a cunt?
Guest:And I was like, you know, I had to explain.
Guest:Never the easiest conversation to explain.
Guest:No, because what are you going to say?
Guest:I meant it in a good way.
Guest:I was like, I was just saying it because of this.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Marc:And that's what ended your Chicago... That was the beginning of the end.
Guest:What was it, Chicago City Limits?
Guest:Chicago City Limits.
Guest:They're still around.
Guest:I think they perform near the New York Comedy Club now.
Marc:Thank God for cunt.
Guest:Yeah, thank God for cunt.
Guest:You might still be doing it.
Guest:Honestly, if I never saw UCB, I get chills thinking about it because the people that I perform with then are still performing...
Guest:now in chicago city limits like i'm doing road work doing road work and doing it like wednesday through saturday like not that there's anything bad with that it just was like i thought that was like the ultimate in improv and i remember bringing over like newspaper clippings of ucb over to ccl and they were like
Guest:Oh, they suck.
Guest:They're never going to last.
Guest:They're terrible.
Guest:And like the UCB wanted to perform at the Chicago City Limits space.
Guest:And the guy who ran Chicago City Limits is like, no, you can't perform here.
Guest:And the UCB got like a little bit confrontational.
Guest:Like, well, fuck you then.
Guest:We'll do our own theater and our own thing.
Marc:Did they call them cunts?
Marc:They did not call them cunts.
Marc:I think what we've witnessed here is a proactive cunt story.
Guest:That is it.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:If you hadn't said cunt, there is an outside chance that you would have been doomed.
Guest:I would have missed it.
Guest:I would be performing on stage right now doing songs about, like, Twitter.
Marc:Monica Lewinsky.
Guest:Yeah, Monica Still.
Guest:But there were some good people there.
Guest:I mean, Daley and Sean and Eddie, they're good guys.
Marc:Yeah, so now UCB blew your mind.
Marc:So you were 22?
Marc:I was still 18 when I saw... What was the big difference?
Marc:Because, I mean, certainly now...
Marc:It seems that UCB, more than stand-up and more than just about anything else, is really a training ground for show business, for comedy business, for the comedy industry.
Marc:Whether they like it or not, I'm sure they do.
Marc:And I've talked about this with other people, that the experience you get with working with other people, with writing and with improv, really prepares you for a lot of levels, a lot of different things in getting into comedy as a business.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, well, you know, I think that I always envied that stand-ups had this community.
Guest:Like, there was a, you know, you'd go and hang out all night.
Guest:Community of tragic friends.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:But that's what kind of UCB put with, like, sketch and improv.
Guest:Much nicer crew.
Guest:Yeah, they were very nice guys.
Guest:I mean, everybody I'm friends with now for, like, the last 12, 15 years.
Marc:The stories about traveling on the road and saying cunt for stand-ups are much darker than your cunt in road stories.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:But I saw UCB doing ASCAT, and it was like five people in the crowd, and I was like, whoa, this is what I want to do.
Guest:It was just what they do at ASCAT.
Guest:They take one suggestion, and they just perform for an hour.
Marc:And ASCAT has evolved, I guess, into, if people don't know, I've done it before.
Marc:As a comic, I go, I do a story, and then you have, what, five improvisers up there who sort of run with the framework of your story.
Guest:Yeah, they improvised.
Guest:That story inspires improvised scenes.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And it was so cool to see that.
Guest:Did they invent that?
Guest:No, I think Del Close invented that idea of the long form improvisation and getting it out of, you know, just, you know, simple games and going into this, like, do whatever you want.
Guest:There's no rules.
Guest:And so, yeah, so I got involved with them right when they started teaching classes.
Guest:And I was in the first level of their classes and learned with like Besser and Amy and Walsh and Ian and then eventually started teaching their classes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah, I taught for a lot of years over there.
Guest:So you were a teacher?
Guest:Yeah, I was taught at CCL too, but yeah, I mean, because I was there in the very beginning.
Guest:I think I'm one of the handful of people that are still at UCB that were taught by the original four.
Marc:I'm just surprised because, like, they were all contemporaries of mine for the most part, and now there's, like, an original generation being referred to.
Marc:Yeah, right, I know, yeah.
Marc:But then, like, okay, so who is the community that your contemporaries at UCB, I mean, how did you get aligned with...
Marc:With Aziz and the other one.
Guest:Oh, Hubel?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, you know, basically my group from the beginning to still now is like Rob Riggle, Rob Hubel, Owen Burke, who's like a development executive at Gary Sanchez.
Guest:And so those are all my kind of friends.
Guest:And Rob and I...
Guest:met up with aziz aziz was doing this show called crash test which was a stand-up show that he hosted in the first week he was in new york yeah in new york and he hosted with rob and that was like way after i've been at ucb for years and then he hosted with rob one week and he hosted with me the second week and then we just started making these videos essentially that's so now aziz did he start doing stand-up in the in at ucb
Guest:You know, Aziz is a guy that he was, I think, taking some classes at UCB, but a lot of murmurs around Aziz.
Guest:Like, oh, hey, hear about this guy, Aziz?
Guest:Aziz is really funny.
Guest:Have you heard about Aziz?
Guest:Aziz, Aziz.
Guest:And I was doing a UCB touring show.
Guest:You just couldn't get off the road.
Guest:Couldn't get off the road.
Guest:Couldn't get away from those sweet $75.
Guest:Thank God you got off of that.
Guest:And I met Aziz the first time, and we got along.
Guest:We both loved Lost and a bunch of other, like The Wire and stuff.
Guest:Didn't you get in trouble?
Guest:for doing something around lost or oh i i actually work with those guys the lost guys to help do like a promotion for them oh last season so it was like me breaking into abc and all this i kind of like i like bombarded them at comic-con but we were all in on it it was all a uh a thing it's a big fake a big fake fake improv
Guest:With the creators of Lost.
Guest:But yeah, so Aziz and I got along really early on.
Guest:And Rob and him got along really well.
Guest:And Rob and I have been friends for a long time.
Guest:Rob's not a stand-up.
Guest:He's an improviser.
Guest:No, Rob's an improviser too.
Guest:So Rob and I came from that background.
Guest:And Aziz came from the stand-up world.
Guest:So we kind of met in the middle.
Guest:I think Aziz had certain things that he was doing that we weren't doing.
Guest:And I think that actually helped us when we went and did Human Giant.
Marc:And what was Human Giant?
Marc:Because I think I was too old to give a shit.
Guest:Human Giant was essentially Rob Aziz and myself and this guy, Jason Walner, who is our director.
Marc:He's the guy who's got the, he's over at the, on the inside at Adam McKay's company now?
Guest:A little bit.
Guest:I mean, he does a lot of different stuff.
Marc:For Funny or Die?
Guest:He does more like, I'm trying to, like he's directed Parks and Recreation.
Guest:He's directed Eagle Heart, the new Chris Elliott show on Adult Swim.
Guest:I'm missing like a bunch of different things.
Guest:So he's a director.
Guest:He's a director, incredibly great writer, too.
Guest:And basically, the four of us got together, and we made this short called Shutterbugs about child talent agencies.
Guest:And it was just being nasty to little kids, and we made that as a short.
Guest:Then we made this other thing called Illusionators, which was Aziz and I, and we were Chris Angel-like magicians.
Guest:And then MTV saw that and was like, do you want to do a show?
Guest:And we're like, yeah, let's do a show.
Guest:You'll never pick it up because you're MTV and you do The Hills and Laguna Beach.
Guest:You're not going to pick us up.
Guest:We're like three ugly white guys.
Guest:Not all white guys, but three weird-looking dudes.
Guest:And we shot our pilot and just did it kind of balls out and just did whatever we wanted to do.
Guest:And they were like, yeah, let's do this.
Guest:And we were blown away that they let us do that.
Guest:What year was that?
Guest:Uh, like, I don't know, like 2006, 2007.
Marc:So now at that point, so you did like 20 episodes.
Guest:Yeah, we did.
Guest:We did two seasons.
Guest:We were offered a third.
Guest:And in our third season, Aziz got offered Parks and Rec.
Guest:And it was the issue of could we try to do a whole season in about two or three months, which was impossible because we took about a year to do each season.
Guest:It was just like we'd shoot like a hundred and something sketches.
Guest:And then with six months of editing and six months of shooting and
Guest:So we just figured we would compromise ourselves artistically.
Guest:So we were like, let's not do the third season.
Guest:We're like, we like each other.
Guest:We are not leaving this process mad.
Guest:So let's get out while the getting is good.
Marc:And it seems like you laid a foundation for something because it's one of those shows that has a cult following.
Marc:And I imagine that.
Marc:I didn't mean to be a dick about it, but it was off my radar, as is most things.
Marc:But I imagine you picked up a lot of fairly young fans that aligned themselves with you guys comedically, and you brought them along with you now as a fan base.
Guest:Yeah, I hope so.
Guest:People talk about it.
Marc:It's got a lot of respect.
Guest:We had a lot of fun.
Guest:The one person I'm forgetting to mention, too, is Tom Giannis, who you may or may not know, who's been around for a long time.
Guest:He was our showrunner.
Guest:And I think that we tried really hard...
Guest:To not be derivative or repetitive of old things and really fight that MTV system over there because, you know, we did a sketch, you know, that was about hot air balloon cops who would do who would chase do like car chases.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But they could never catch up because they're in a hot air balloon.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So, like, I remember MTV looking at us and going like.
Guest:that doesn't make any sense.
Guest:Like, why would they be in a hot air balloon if there's a car chase?
Guest:Wouldn't they be in a car?
Guest:Like, no, no, that's... That's a joke.
Guest:That's a joke.
Marc:So, like, we were fighting through notes like that, through, like, guys who... Wow, that's a... They must have been... They must have been training and learning disabled people.
Guest:It was... We were literally getting notes from the dude who produced Reverend Run's house, which is great.
Guest:It won a bunch of whatever it won, but... Right.
Guest:That's not the same thing.
Guest:That's so funny.
Marc:The awards are so meaningless.
Marc:One of those things that they get.
Guest:They had a lot of awards on his show.
Guest:They did not say, like, you could give us notes on sketch comedy.
Guest:And Tom Giannis, such, like, the bully that you want on your side.
Guest:Right.
Guest:We had this whole sketch that ended with... It said...
Guest:Do not adopt.
Guest:Your real parents will never love you as much as an adopted parent.
Guest:And we really wanted that tag on the scene and the censor department was like, no, you can't do that.
Guest:And Tom was like, why, why can't you do it?
Guest:And this woman's like, well, I'll tell you, I'm adopted and I'm offended by this sketch.
Guest:That is untrue.
Guest:Your adopted parents can love you as much as your real parents.
Guest:And Tom's like, I'm adopted.
Guest:And I wrote this sketch because I needed to express how I felt about being adopted.
Guest:Now, he's not adopted, but he would lie.
Guest:And then the woman's like, oh, my God, you're adopted.
Guest:Oh, we're both adopted.
Guest:They shared this bond and we got that sketch on the air.
Guest:So it was like a constant battle every day of just like...
Guest:pushing through and trying to do the best stuff and if you know we you know obviously I the sketch show that kind of blew my mind when I was a kid was Mr. No it was it was or Ben Stiller show yeah I loved the Ben Stiller show and and Aziz and Rob I think really were like loved Mr. Show and I did too but it's you know we all came from the same kind of we like the same stuff but we made sure we were never did anything that kind of walked on those same beats that they did and we tried and we brought in amazing writers like Brian Posehn and John Glazer and
Guest:you know, Patton Oswalt.
Guest:For Human Giant.
Guest:Yeah, and they would come in for a day.
Guest:Like Patton would come in for a day and be like, I got this idea, and he would just, you know, do it.
Guest:Nick Swartzen, and we had the best comedy writers come in.
Guest:Oh, that's interesting.
Marc:So guys who took a liking to your show, you know, decided they would be part of it for not a real fee or just for fun.
Guest:Yeah, they would come in for a day.
Guest:I mean, the writers that we worked with a lot were John Glazer and Eric Capel, but like Patton and Posehn and Swartzen, all those guys would come in for a day and just be like, I have this idea.
Guest:And then they spend a day because you'd call them or they were into it because we'd call them.
Guest:And, you know, they like, you know, Patton like disease and Tom Giannis had a lot of old friends that he would call in.
Guest:And yeah.
Guest:And, you know, they would be in the show to put them in the show.
Guest:All the people that we thought were fun.
Marc:And that sort of integrated you into the the comedy nerd universe.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, and like we wanted to do a show that we're like, let's get everybody that we could think of that was funny.
Guest:And if they want to be a part of it, they can be.
Guest:And if they don't, they don't have to.
Marc:Were you surprised at who showed up?
Guest:Yeah, I was really I was really surprised.
Guest:Like, oh, I wouldn't think that this guy would come in for a day to write.
Guest:And and they would.
Guest:And I think Tom Tom's whole point of view was, well, look, they're not doing their own sketch show.
Guest:And sometimes you have a sketch in the back of your head that you can't execute in any other way.
Guest:So come in and do it.
Marc:Well, that's interesting.
Marc:I wonder if that happens very often.
Marc:I've not heard of that happening.
Guest:Yeah, I think, you know, maybe people are afraid to ask too, you know?
Marc:Well, I just think, and by virtue of the fact that it was MTV and it was sort of kind of rebellious and new and that, you know, people respected the comedy that they were just sort of like, why not?
Guest:Yeah, it was really, we really lucked out and MTV on the second season really let us do whatever we wanted.
Guest:We like, the first season, we had like a team of people giving us notes.
Guest:The second season, we had this one great guy and he just really just helped us
Guest:Get everything through.
Guest:You only cut two sketches.
Guest:One was a sketch with me and Kristen Schaal where I played a religious abortion doctor.
Guest:So I'd be like, oh, Lord, bless my hands as I scrape this fetus out of this woman's.
Guest:And they were like, we could never air that.
Guest:Did you think they would?
Guest:No, but we figured, why not shoot it?
Guest:We shot it, and we were like, maybe we could scoot it by.
Guest:Was there blood?
Guest:There was no blood.
Guest:It was just a lot of religious objects around the room.
Guest:Right, right, right.
Guest:And a woman in stirrups.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But Kristen Schell's super funny in that.
Guest:But yeah, we worked with only people that we really wanted to work with, and that was really fun for us.
Marc:That's fucking great.
Marc:Yeah, that was really fun.
Marc:And you're one of these people that I resent a bit, only because...
Marc:I had always seen you around, and we never really talked, and then when we did, I liked you.
Marc:But you seem very well-adjusted, so I don't understand that.
Guest:You would be surprised.
Marc:Yeah?
Guest:Like what?
Guest:No, I have demons.
Guest:I have demons.
Guest:I really do.
Guest:My mom got divorced three times when I was a kid growing up.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, that was a little rough.
Guest:We lived a lot in small apartments and moved around Long Island.
Guest:Did you say things like, Daddy 2, Daddy 1, Daddy 3?
Guest:No, no daddies.
Guest:Just weird stepdads?
Guest:Yeah, weird stepdads.
Guest:I remember I had one stepdad who refused to let me call him by his name.
Guest:His name was Cordell.
Guest:I could not call him Cordell.
Guest:He made me call him Daddy, which is, in retrospect, weird.
Weird.
Guest:But, yeah, you know, the craziest thing, I'll be embarrassed if my dad is probably going to listen to this, but my dad got into a fistfight with my stepdad in front of me when I was a kid.
Guest:Which stepdad?
Guest:Stepdad 2.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And that was crazy.
Guest:As a kid, to see, like, your real dad and your stepdad, like...
Guest:fight like fucking go for it i was young i was like i was like nine or ten what was that about it was like i remember seeing it like my dad and i come back from apple picking and and my step picking and watching videos and going to new york city loving it
Guest:My dad and I went to a Martin Lawrence concert at Radio City Music Hall, run Teldat, and we were like in the center, the only white people at this Martin Lawrence concert.
Guest:I was like begging them, we gotta go.
Guest:See, Martin, I brought my dad to Def Jam Comedy.
Guest:He came, my dad was a good trooper at all this stuff.
Guest:You were a big hip-hop guy?
Guest:I just you know what as a kid I was like I didn't know I loved like I say black comedy but I don't like that was like a thing like I loved Eddie Murphy I love Martin Lawrence I love that show and so I just was like Def Jam yes yeah I want to see that and then we'd also go see George Carlin every single year in New York City and go see his shows and it's good dad yeah he was the best and but yeah so they got to this fist fight like
Guest:all i remember back from apple picking back apples back from apple picking sitting uh coming in seeing my stepdad who's in a bathroom my stepdad was a truck driver for a supermarket you know and and my dad came in and he goes you don't say fucking hello to me bill and my dad's like my dad's like i said hello to you it's your fucking fault if you didn't hear it then all of a sudden my stepdad picked up a coffee mug fucking wailed it at the like my dad's had my dad ducking it to
Guest:exploded on the wall and then then all of a sudden like they just went at it like a grappling thing around my kitchen table my dad's the the most nice you know well-adjusted guy and then all of a sudden apples are flying so like i'm throwing apples my dad is throwing apples like and they fight out until they like literally leave the house like outside the front door like that kind of fighting my dad's a pharmacist again like you know if my pharmacist fighting a truck driver it was like something like out of a clint eastwood movie it was like
Guest:boom boom it was insane insane stuff you know that was like yeah so how did that resolve itself it resolved itself very cheesily which was um uh like hours later um i got on the phone and cordell was on the phone in my house and my dad was on a pay phone and they apologized to each other while i was in the middle like you know because i could be your benefit you
Guest:Yes, for my benefit to hear them apologize.
Marc:They all decided probably on your mom's instruction.
Guest:Yes, it wasn't a good thing for the kid to see.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:So they had to like get together and apologize over me.
Guest:So that was that was a yeah, like that.
Guest:Looking back on that, that was a.
Guest:terrible do you remember being upset what was your reaction were you crying was it oh yeah i mean it's it was all just chaos it was chaos and also like crazy because it's like you're watching your dad get into a fight and did you like the guy i didn't like my uh my bill my dad loved uh my stepdad hated him it was like abusive fuck of a dude like a terrible oh your dad is bill my dad is bill yeah and your stepdad was cordell
Guest:Oh, that was Cordell.
Guest:That was Cordell.
Guest:And he was just an abusive, bad dude.
Guest:But, yeah, you know, he'd come home, like, literally an arm in a cask as he got into a fight with, you know, at, like, work, you know.
Guest:Did he beat you up?
Guest:Um, yeah, like, a little bit.
Guest:I mean, like, I say it very cavalierly, but, yeah, like, I mean, we would get into some...
Guest:fucking fights like i can't even imagine that like we i lived on a farm and like we had horses and dogs and stuff and like i would talk back a lot like i that was my thing and that's what comics do yeah and so that's like how we find our voice yeah i got to a lot of i was talking to like uh people this weekend i was like i'd gotten to a ton of fights all until like eighth grade and i was like oh i gotta stop did you win
Guest:Yeah, because I was fighting a 40-year-old guy at home.
Guest:Like, that's why I was getting good at it.
Guest:I get so funny.
Marc:Out of all the people in the world, I would never assume you were a scrapper.
Guest:Oh, God.
Guest:Big time.
Guest:Like, I, uh.
Guest:Holy shit.
Guest:Because you fight this big fucking 40-year-old dude.
Guest:This fat dude who's strong.
Guest:And, like, literally, like, throwing a pitchfork at me.
Guest:Like, and dodging a pitchfork.
Guest:Get the fuck out of here.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Like, getting locked up in, like.
Guest:Well, I can see why your mom loved him.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:It was like my mom, I think, rebelled in the most crazy way.
Guest:My dad's so nice and great.
Guest:And the man she's married to right now, also wonderful and great.
Guest:But I finally got a good one.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I think it was just number four.
Guest:Number.
Guest:This is number three.
Guest:This is number three.
Guest:So the first one.
Guest:First was my dad.
Guest:Then it was then it was this guy Cordell.
Guest:And then it was this guy that she's married to now.
Guest:OK, so three to two.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I moved to three different houses.
Marc:Right.
Guest:But there was dating involved in there, too.
Marc:So you're saying that.
Marc:OK, so Cordell was like your mom's fuck you to your dad.
Guest:Yeah, I think that she didn't.
Guest:She's like, I want something different.
Guest:And she got something insanely different.
Guest:You know, like, it was a crazy.
Marc:Through a pitchfork at you.
Guest:Oh, and that's not even the worst.
Guest:I mean, like, but because of that kind of style of fighting, I think I never realized how strong I was.
Guest:So, like, when I was in.
Marc:Dodging pitchfork style.
Guest:Yeah, well, like, it was like, you know, you just learn to be, like, more of a grappler, you know?
Guest:It's like, you know, a lot of, like, just slaps and runs or punches in the stomachs and runs.
Guest:And, but when I was in sixth grade, I got into this fight with this kid, and he, like, gave me, like, a sixth grade punch, like, you know, a punch in the face.
Guest:I remember I, oh, no, this is ninth grade, I'm sorry.
Guest:And I grabbed him by the neck, and we were by a car, and there was, like, a car fender there, and I was like...
Guest:whap whap like his face into a car fender we're both suspended from school yeah you know and because he started it i got to go back and he got kicked out but it was but like that kind of like did not realize like i was fighting for a much you know you're going for the fucking money you're gonna did they have to pull you off him
Guest:I remember that was the time where my knuckles were bloody from just punching.
Guest:Oh my god.
Guest:That was a rough... Yeah, I was a bruiser as a kid.
Guest:I had no fucking idea.
Guest:Paul Scheer, badass.
Guest:But I stopped.
Guest:I stopped that.
Guest:You had to give it up?
Guest:I had to give it up.
Guest:Went to comedy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:just turned into a different direction yeah i just i couldn't i remember like honestly just being like i think at one fight when i was a kid and this is like an early like yeah like 10th or 11th grade being like i don't want to do this anymore i don't like this how the fuck you i mean it must have been some sort of crossroads thank god you had your real dad there you know you could have ended up uh just a fucked up kid yeah i mean for sure i mean what what led to that decision i
Guest:I think that my dad came every weekend.
Guest:So he was able to kind of take me out and we would go every weekend.
Guest:We'd go and do something fun.
Guest:So it was like a break.
Guest:And he would also come like every Tuesday and Thursday, I think, to my house and like hang out.
Guest:So I saw my real dad a lot.
Guest:And I think that was a good relief.
Guest:And then my mom kind of wised up at a certain point.
Guest:She's like, oh, we're out of here.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And guys throwing a pitchfork.
Guest:Yeah, kid.
Guest:This guy has more guns than he has shirts, you know.
Guest:Holy shit.
Marc:How'd she shake him?
Marc:That sounds like it would have been hard to shake that guy.
Guest:This is it.
Guest:You want to hear how you shook him?
Guest:This is a crazy thing.
Guest:My mom created, she pretended that he won a trip, a hunting trip.
Guest:She created these envelopes and was like, Cordell, you won this trip.
Guest:She did the layout and everything?
Guest:She did everything, and she got him plane tickets, got him a hotel, and created this whole fantasy seven days away from him.
Guest:The minute he left the house, a moving truck pulled in, and we got all of our shit out of the house, and we took off.
Guest:You left Cordell's farm?
Guest:Yeah, we left Cordell's farm, and we moved into a small one-bedroom apartment or two-bedroom apartment, and just that was it.
Guest:So he comes back?
Guest:He comes back.
Guest:The house is empty.
Guest:And then he found us at a certain point, and that was weird.
Guest:But, you know, it was like he was on his best behavior at that point.
Guest:Didn't you have to get divorced?
Guest:yeah she had to get divorced but it was sort of like that is where i'm a little foggy on how that happened like i'm just seeing it as a kid and being like okay we're moving all of our stuff let's get out of here you know and uh you know so i didn't know how all that how all that shook out but yeah we yeah then my mom started dating him for a little bit like they went on a couple dates and like one of his before the divorce to see if it would still yes she got she got some boundaries and
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:And, you know, thank God that didn't stick.
Guest:I remember as a kid thinking to myself, like, oh, God, please.
Guest:Oh, you know, the worst part about it, too, as a kid, I was relieved.
Guest:Cordell was a born-again Christian.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like, born-again Christian to the point where you would... My mom got re-baptized in a big pool, and the pool's in the front of the church, and everyone speaks in tongues.
Guest:And you were there?
Guest:Oh, I spent...
Guest:How old?
Guest:Oh, God, for like three or four years.
Guest:Like ninth grade?
Guest:No, no, like probably like fourth to sixth grade, like in that area.
Marc:So you had to go to a born again Christian church?
Guest:For like hours on a Sunday, like hours and hours.
Guest:And it was like, everyone's like, and the Lord's speaking in tongues.
Guest:And like people are getting healed.
Guest:And.
Guest:It was crazy.
Guest:And like my, my parents took away, my mom took my Weird Al Yankovic in 3D album and broke it over her knee because it was, a song was on there.
Guest:It was called Nature Trail to Hell.
Guest:And it was on one of the, uh, the devil worship lists that like the, the church had given them.
Guest:Like these, if your children have any of these albums and one of them was a Weird Al album, you must find this and destroy it.
Guest:She destroyed it in front of you.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:That and my LL Cool J album.
Guest:Oh shit.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, uh,
Guest:It was terrible.
Guest:I was crying.
Guest:My Weird Al album.
Guest:Did you ever tell Weird Al that story?
Guest:I did, actually.
Guest:I got to tell Weird Al that story, which was awesome.
Guest:And a great full 360 there.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:How did he respond?
Guest:He just thought it was insane because the song is called Nature Trail to Hell in 3D about going to a drive-in to see a horror movie called Nature Trail to Hell in 3D.
Guest:There's nothing satanic about Weird Al Yankovic at all.
Guest:No.
Guest:Greatest stretch of the imagination.
Guest:But, like, you know, and I'd listen to In Excess, and my mom's like.
Guest:But that might be Satan.
Guest:It might be.
Guest:You never know.
Guest:You never know.
Guest:They're very cunning.
Guest:He's charming.
Guest:And that's it.
Guest:Very funny, yeah.
Guest:Satan comes in Hawaiian shirts.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:But my mom, like, took all my action figures away and gave me, like, Ten Commandments figures.
Guest:Like, I had, like, Moses.
Guest:Like, literally got Moses action figure.
Guest:And he had, like, two tablets in his hand.
Guest:Like, the Ten Commandments.
Guest:Oh, come on.
Marc:You're kidding me.
Guest:Oh, no.
Marc:What'd you do with those action figures?
Guest:I would play with them like I would play Batman or G.I.
Guest:Joe.
Guest:Flying Moses?
Guest:Yeah, I would.
Guest:I'd make Moses swing down a pole and get into a Batmobile.
Guest:My head still had a Batmobile, so Moses drive a Batmobile.
Guest:He still had a job.
Guest:It was crazy.
Guest:He put Moses in the Batmobile.
Guest:Oh, it was insane.
Guest:And...
Guest:That was a dark period.
Guest:I think about coming home to that house and my mom on a big... My mom's still on a religious kick watching Jesus of Nazareth, which was like a 12-part documentary of Jesus.
Guest:Yeah, I remember that.
Guest:Watching that over and over.
Guest:That was her Saturday nights, watching that.
Guest:Oh, God.
Guest:Just like my mom is...
Guest:become better now.
Marc:And you go up and put, you put Moses in the Batmobile.
Guest:Yeah, and just drive around my, like, what am I doing?
Guest:Like, you know, just terrible, like, terrible, terrible times in my household.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That is fucking grim, dude.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:It was a dark, dark time.
Marc:How did she come out of it?
Guest:I think that it really was... I mean, you know, whatever.
Guest:I say it cavalierly now, but it was stark.
Guest:There was some points... I don't know if I saw everything that my mom experienced back then because it was... I was away on the weekends.
Guest:I think that's when it got rough.
Guest:I mean, I remember many times us going to...
Guest:going to hotels and stuff like that but bar none i think this is the end of the the beginning of the end for us was uh there was a loaded handgun in our house and i remember cordell having my mom like held like a hostage with a handgun and seeing that as a kid what during a fight during a fight and that was like
Guest:I remember, like, going, what is going on?
Guest:Like, that, you know, as a kid.
Guest:That's horrifying.
Guest:And as a kid, I can say it now, and I go, wow.
Guest:Like, even thinking about it now, I'm like, wow, that was crazy dark.
Guest:Like, that's insane.
Guest:But, like, as a kid, it doesn't register, I don't think.
Guest:It's like, what's going on?
Guest:Do you just probably sense that your mom's in danger?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And that was, like, and I remember, like.
Guest:You must have just been crying all the fucking time.
Guest:Yeah, and I remember saying to my mom, like, we got to get out of here.
Guest:And my mom's like, no, no, no, it's okay, it's okay.
Guest:I was like, we got to go, we got to go.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Marc:Did he hit her too?
Guest:Yeah, he hit me, he hit her.
Guest:I mean, but you know what?
Guest:Never to the point of like, we never were hurt.
Guest:So I think that was like my, like that was always my kind of like line.
Guest:Like, oh, well, we don't have broken arms or we don't have this or we don't have that.
Marc:Was there some party that felt bad for him?
Guest:Um, no.
Marc:No.
Marc:No, I thought of him.
Marc:He didn't cry and apologize and fucking, you know.
Guest:He would apologize, but he was like an older brother instead of a dad.
Guest:So it was like that kind of relationship.
Guest:Competitive.
Guest:Yeah, and a lot of like...
Guest:I think he was competitive for my mom's affection towards me, which is insane.
Guest:It's like, well, that's a mother and a son.
Guest:That's not your husband.
Guest:So it would come out a lot in Indian burns, like that kind of stuff, which would really hurt.
Guest:But I do remember calling, like we called Child Protective Services at one point, and they came to the house and they interviewed our parents.
Guest:side by side and uh and they were like does this happen and my mom's like no cordell and your mom my mom and they're like no and they talked to me i was like yes they're like oh well the kid's lying that the parents are telling the truth and then they're getting beaten for that yeah oh yeah of course like there was crazy i mean it was the gun thing though so that you like shortly after your mom that was about yeah i think it was about roughly that time
Guest:Holy shit.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Who's she married to now?
Guest:She's married to a great guy, this guy Walter.
Guest:Awesome.
Guest:And you get along with your mom?
Guest:I get along with my mom very well.
Guest:We actually have a better relationship now.
Marc:How do you think you managed to not get as fucked up as many people in that situation?
Marc:Aside from fighting, you decided not to fight anymore because of your dad's influence.
Marc:But, I mean, holy shit.
Marc:I mean, you're a pretty fucking pleasant guy.
Marc:Well, I think... Thank you for saying that.
Guest:I think...
Guest:I think I had a good escape back then, though, in a way.
Guest:Like, I feel like... I don't know.
Guest:Like, I love TV and movies, and I really got into comedy.
Guest:Moses and the Batmobile.
Guest:Yeah, Moses and the Batmobile.
Guest:But, like, I really got into movies and TV.
Guest:And the comedy was a real reprieve.
Guest:Comedy, yeah.
Guest:I listened to, like, Smothers Brothers albums.
Guest:Like, I had all my dad's old Smothers Brothers albums.
Guest:And just, like, it was fun to kind of, like, sit and hear that.
Guest:And I remember, like...
Guest:Even reading an article, I think it was a Smothers Brothers article, where I think they had some messed up parents.
Guest:And I remember going like, oh, okay, well that's cool because maybe they had messed up parents, I had messed up parents, maybe that, it evens out.
Guest:If I want to do this, I have to have that.
Marc:But also I think there's something that I've experienced is that
Marc:I never quite understood why until as I talked to more comedic performers that when you think about doing comedy and you're coming from that, that you're really thinking about doing something that might have been the only thing that made you feel better.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And that you can't really think of what else you would do.
Guest:Yeah, I think I think you're right.
Guest:I think I remember like as a kid, like I was like, all I wanted to do was like do what Eddie Murphy does.
Guest:Like, I want to be like Eddie Murphy.
Guest:I want to be like Eddie Murphy.
Guest:And I would just sit out on my front yard and act out sketches and just like talk to myself.
Guest:Did you know Delirious?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I watched Delirious on HBO.
Guest:We didn't get HBO.
Guest:But back when cable was old, you would have like a good here, but you couldn't see.
Guest:And so that weird.
Guest:yeah you watch yo so i would watch delirious like that like listening to delirious you saw like half of eddie murphy and then going in and out like yeah yeah like like it was like the like something i had yeah it was just like and i just remember watching that and tears just streaming down my face going like this is the funniest thing i've ever heard in my life like yeah
Guest:boogie in my butt and like those albums and and i got away with a lot because my dad i think would buy me these albums not realizing how dirty they were like you know like but did you have to hide them at the other house or did you keep them at your dad's house i kept them at my house i just listened to him in my in my room like no one would come up there to see what i was listening to so cordell and cordell would christian brigade would not come in yeah like i guess like for some reason like
Guest:tapes they didn't have like stand-up comedy tapes weren't on those lists so i can have my billy crystal you look marvelous album and like listen to that and like listen to steven wright they have an effective way to dramatically destroy tapes exactly right records you could break just yeah these like they couldn't do anything so yeah it was all like bill cosby emo phillips smothers brothers and
Guest:And, you know, it was like, it was, yeah, it was great.
Guest:Like, I just remember like, and I didn't listen to music when I was a kid.
Guest:So I only listened to comedy.
Guest:I think maybe that's a trick too.
Guest:Like I would never go to my room and be like, I'm listening to music.
Guest:I'd be like, I go to my room and listen to albums.
Guest:Like, like Andrew Dice Clay.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Put on those and just sit there and just be like, yeah, yeah.
Guest:And just laugh by yourself.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then you had siblings or you didn't.
Guest:no siblings and wherever I lived I had no buddy lived near me no kids lived near me so I was always alone in the neighborhood there was no kids to play with after school so it was like always comedy and like I would so sad I would take like Running Scared was this like Gregory Hines Billy Crystal movie like a buddy comedy I remember that yeah
Guest:And I would take my tape recorder and put it by my TV and tape the movie on cassettes and then bring those cassettes with me on my bus to school and be listening to movies like that.
Guest:Listen to full movies, like albums.
Guest:That's amazing.
Guest:Yeah, so I did that.
Guest:And you didn't have friends?
Guest:Oh, I had friends.
Guest:I had friends.
Guest:I always seemed to get like...
Guest:like i got popular at certain points but i was always a nerd like wherever i went the first two years i was a nerd and an outcast and the last two years i had friends what was your what was your nerd focus was it just comedy or did you do other shit um i mean were you a good student i mean um yeah i guess i was an okay student um no dungeons and dragons no dungeons and dragons i think i was just like
Guest:in my own world.
Guest:I think I was a little bit more of like an outsider.
Guest:Yeah, like a kid who would be like drawing and then someone would be like, hey, and I'd be like, what?
Guest:You know, and look like I, you know, like that kind of like, but then I like, I remember like, I was making out with this girl in sixth grade and that was like, I was like one of the first kids to make out with a girl in sixth grade and like that was, that ascended my popularity for a little bit and then immediately like the next year I went to like a new school and then I was like back down in the dregs again.
Guest:Just, you know, like, ah.
Marc:i had it i had it all now i lost it back amongst the people yeah just terrible so now this uh the league show's got a lot of funny people you're on the league which is on fx yes uh with uh mark duplass who is a i know mark i've interviewed him for another show yeah mark's super nice guy the inventor of mumblecore with mumblecore yes jay duplass and they did a movie i saw my buddy josh leonard's in about the oh the hump day right yeah yeah
Guest:Yeah, so he's in it.
Guest:Steve Ranazzisi, who was on your show.
Guest:I know Steve very well.
Marc:He's a good guy.
Guest:Super funny guy.
Guest:We just actually came back from a tour.
Marc:Effectively funny.
Marc:How'd that tour go?
Guest:It was actually really fun.
Guest:We sold out every venue that we did.
Guest:You did?
Guest:Which is really good.
Guest:Yeah, for two weeks' notice, it was really great.
Guest:And man, watching Steve perform, I have a whole new respect for him.
Guest:You in or you out?
Guest:Well, you know what it is?
Guest:It's like he's...
Guest:There's no put on with Steve.
Guest:Like, his personality that he is in real life, he is on stage.
Guest:He's a real guy's guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And he's an effective comic.
Guest:And he's a nice guy, too.
Guest:He is.
Guest:Like, I've never really done stand-up, and this is my first foray into it on this tour a little bit.
Guest:And who are you with?
Guest:You were with Steve?
Guest:Steve, Nick Kroll, who you've had on the show, who's super funny.
Guest:I love Nick, and Nick and I have worked together a ton.
Guest:um and uh john lejoie who's like an internet superstar canadian guy so it was me lejoie kroll and steve on the road and those guys all go on the road solo all the time and do their shows yeah i go on the road with hubel a lot and hubel and i do our own thing on the road and we have like a two-man thing that we do and it's fun but i never went on by myself and i was getting all this nervousness like they're like just do stand up or do something and so like for the last couple of months you'd open
Guest:I did two little slots.
Guest:We would come in and out.
Guest:The stand-ups would kind of buffer it, but Lajoie and I would do two small sets in between the show.
Guest:But the last four months, I've just been going to these really small open mics, like 10 people there, and just trying out stuff and trying to work on stuff.
Guest:But you really can't tell in front of 10 or 20.
Guest:And so this is my first foray out there.
Guest:And the first night I did it, I was...
Guest:Like, I was like, I'm comfortable on stage, but I was nervous doing that.
Guest:Like, I was just nervous.
Guest:Like, oh, people are going to think I suck.
Guest:And I was really nervous.
Guest:And Steve gave me some really good advice.
Guest:He's like, you got funny jokes.
Guest:He's like, just sit back and just...
Guest:just let them all breathe.
Guest:And then the next night that we did it, I just took that advice and was able to really find it.
Guest:And I found like all this new stuff.
Guest:And then the next night after that, same thing.
Guest:And I just like, I was able to use your improv skills.
Marc:So without panicking and rushing through the jokes and, and, and letting the laughs happen, you were able to add to it once you felt the, the fuel of the laughter.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And I think it was also like trying to figure out exactly what,
Guest:my voice was too like i like and i think like i have a voice when i'm on stage like rob and i host this show crash test in la here and we're on stage we do that show is so much fun for us we get to do bits and we we do kind of a two-man stand-up we come up with a bunch of loose ideas we improvise off of it and we do some bits and and like i was like how can i take that
Guest:persona or that way that i speak there and bring it over here and i think i was able to transition that a little bit and find like oh if i say things in this voice i can kind of milk things a little bit more than me trying to imitate what i think a stand-up should be right right you know which is it worked yeah i hope it did i mean i'm no get left yeah okay so and i felt really good about it and i think you know it's something that i would love to try to do more but i have such respect for
Guest:People like yourself and people like Steve and Nick who are doing it every night.
Guest:I always felt like I can't be a stand-up because I can't do it every night.
Guest:I would love to do it every night.
Marc:I'd love to be in New York City and do it every night.
Marc:I appreciate that respect because not everybody has that.
Marc:But it sounds to me like you certainly paid your dues in a lot of different ways.
Marc:And you're a funny guy, so I'm glad it worked out.
Guest:Yeah, it's been fun.
Guest:And traveling with those guys are great.
Guest:Everyone's so different.
Marc:I don't know if everybody knows about the show, and I haven't watched it myself.
Marc:So why don't you explain what the show is and how... Because I know you guys do a sort of improvisational model.
Guest:It's basically kind of like Curb Your Enthusiasm, where we have a big outline, and then we go in and we improvise the scenes.
Guest:And the cool thing is it's written and created by Jeff and Jackie Schaefer.
Guest:And Jeff Schaefer wrote on Bruno Borat.
Guest:He was on Seinfeld and writes and directs Curb.
Guest:So he comes from this lineage of just...
Guest:He's like a comedy robot.
Marc:But it's about a bunch of guys in a fantasy baseball... A fantasy football league.
Marc:Oh, fantasy football league.
Guest:Yeah, so basically... Yeah, so it's about a bunch of guys in a fantasy football league in their late 20s and early 30s who are just kind of like getting divorced, married with a kid, not married, wanting a kid, single, and just kind of like being like... Guys.
Guest:Yeah, guys are just like, I'm an adult.
Guest:It's like, how does that kind of affect us?
Guest:And the football thing, I'm not the biggest football fan, but you don't have to be.
Guest:It's just about people in that age group experiencing that.
Guest:And then this guy, Jeff Schaefer,
Guest:You know, he gives us so much comedy.
Guest:And Jackie, too.
Guest:Jackie comes from, like, the world of development.
Guest:She developed, like, Disturbia and Old School.
Guest:So the two of them write really funny outlines.
Guest:So you never feel like, go in and improvise.
Guest:Like, I've done so many shows where it's like.
Marc:You've actually got what's supposed to be funny and what you're moving towards.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:And you can you can trump their jokes, which they love.
Guest:But if you just do what they have written, it would be funny.
Marc:Right.
Guest:And Nick and I actually wrote two episodes this year.
Guest:So that was really fun.
Guest:And working with them was really fun on how to kind of create the show.
Guest:But it's great.
Guest:It's been really it's one of the most fulfilling experiences I've had doing that show.
Guest:Well, right on, Paul Scheer.
Guest:Good talk.
Guest:Good talk.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Thanks for having me.
Marc:That's it.
Marc:That's our show.
Marc:Thank you for listening.
Marc:And thank you, Paul Scheer, for being a guest on our show.
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