Episode 12 - Nick Kroll
Guest 3:Lock the gates!
Guest 2:Are we doing this?
Guest 2:Really?
Guest 2:Wait for it.
Guest 2:Are we doing this?
Guest 2:Wait for it.
Guest 2:Pow!
Guest 2:What the fuck?
Guest 2:And it's also, eh, what the fuck?
Guest 2:What's wrong with me?
Guest 2:It's time for WTF!
Guest 2:What the fuck?
Guest 2:With Mark Maron.
Marc:Hello, what the fuckistas, what the fuckers.
Marc:I think those are the two that are working for most of you.
Marc:I knew I got some flack for calling you what the fuck Aryans because there was an Aryan element to the greeting.
Marc:So I'm not going to do that.
Marc:Thank you for listening to my podcast.
Marc:I'm happy to be here.
Marc:I'm happy to actually be in the hills of the barrio at the cat ranch in Los Angeles County at my home.
Marc:I can now honestly say that I am working in my garage.
Marc:I'll be in the garage.
Marc:I have work to do in the garage.
Marc:I am in my garage as we speak.
Marc:It was no easy task getting here.
Marc:There were a lot of what the fucks along the way and a couple of, well, what the fuck?
Marc:A couple of those.
Marc:Don't want to hammer the theme too much.
Marc:We got a good show today.
Marc:We got a great guest.
Marc:We got Nick Kroll from Human Giant.
Marc:So I'm looking forward to talking to Nick.
Marc:I hope it doesn't get too dewy.
Marc:You decide.
Marc:I went out and bought equipment and I'm in my garage and I can't get over it.
Marc:I hope you can make the adjustment with me.
Marc:I hope my energy is the same.
Marc:I hope we're all still on the same page because now I am surrounded by everything I've ever had in my life that I've kept forever.
Marc:What the fuck is that about?
Marc:That's the first big question.
Marc:I had to clean out my garage.
Marc:Now, mind you, I have not lived at this house really for over a year because I've been in New York.
Marc:And I just stuck everything I owned in the garage.
Marc:It was my office before I left, but then it just became a repository for divorce paperwork.
Marc:Because when you get divorced, you got to do a lot of paperwork because you are told by alien lawyers that you must disclose everything over and over and over again.
Marc:I have boxes and boxes of files.
Marc:The one good thing about a divorce is you will never be more organized and more alone.
Marc:So the second part of that you could go either way with.
Marc:But I am very organized.
Marc:But everything was a mess in here.
Marc:And I have to be honest with you folks.
Marc:I have boxes and I shit you not.
Marc:I have boxes labeled high school artwork.
Marc:What do I think is going to happen with those high school artwork?
Marc:That would be photographs I took in high school when I was a photographer.
Marc:I was a professional photographer in high school.
Marc:I thought I was professional in the sense that it was an artistic pursuit.
Marc:So I never really aspired to be a documentary photographer, but I did some arty photographs and now I've got them.
Marc:I've still got them.
Marc:They're right here next to me.
Marc:I've got a box of cassette tapes.
Marc:Remember those?
Marc:Wasn't that long ago.
Marc:Cassette tapes of my act.
Marc:These are tapes that I would put in a little mini cassette recorder to record my sets in order to listen and learn from them.
Marc:Have I ever listened to any of them?
Marc:Probably not.
Marc:Why am I saving them?
Marc:What the fuck is that about?
Marc:No idea.
Marc:I have another box of high school writings.
Marc:Those are important.
Marc:Oh, I better hold on to those.
Marc:Who knows what's going to happen?
Marc:I have boxes of photographs of well, photographs are a little more understandable, but I really don't know what I'm thinking.
Marc:And it's not pure narcissism that I hold on to this stuff.
Marc:I mean, there is an element that that I imagine, but I'm not holding on to it for posterity.
Marc:I'm not holding on to it to guarantee my immortality.
Marc:I don't think that much of myself.
Marc:People often ask, well, what about when you die?
Marc:Maybe they'll be part of the Marc Maron collection.
Marc:That's assuming there would be any need anywhere for a Marc Maron collection.
Marc:I don't assume that will happen.
Marc:I think that what would happen if I died, God forbid, is that my brother and my mother would come out here.
Marc:They'd come in the garage and they go, I don't know what to do with these.
Marc:My mother would say, I guess we should throw them out.
Marc:I don't even know how you listen to these.
Marc:How do you listen to these now?
Marc:Do we have a player?
Marc:And they would throw them out.
Marc:I think the reason why I keep this stuff and the reason we keep our books, our pictures, our cassettes, our pieces of evidence that we existed and wrote things down or did things is is because they're part of us.
Marc:I just can't throw it out.
Marc:And I look at some of these pictures.
Marc:I used to I don't take many photographs anymore.
Marc:But I used to think that there was a reason I didn't take photographs.
Marc:And now I find as I get older, the photographs are the only real evidence that I had a life in some respects.
Marc:I have it in my memory, but the memory gets hazy.
Marc:Time, your ability to understand things temporarily gets hazy.
Marc:And the photographs I can look at from these different phases of my life at these different attempts at achieving some sort of identity in terms of whatever I was going through.
Marc:There are skinny tie photographs or photographs of me with a lot of buttons on.
Marc:There are photographs of me with a leather jacket on.
Marc:There are different haircuts, different hairstyles, different women in the photographs.
Marc:And I think as my memory gets a little hazy, it needs to be jarred a little bit.
Marc:to remember some of the stuff I went through, to remember how I felt about certain people.
Marc:I think that losing your memory is kind of a gift because what I generally lose first, I don't know about the rest of you, but the memories that seem to go first are the shitty ones.
Marc:And maybe that's a male thing because I used to forget fights within hours of them happening.
Marc:And my ex-wife would say, how can you not understand how this affected me?
Marc:I'm like, it's over.
Marc:It's done.
Marc:I got it out of me.
Marc:What I didn't realize is it was now in her.
Marc:Whatever I got out of me or whatever you get out of you in fits of rage or anger or arguments, it is going directly into whoever you're directing that to.
Marc:They become a repository for your bile.
Marc:And eventually they will not want to have that in them anymore.
Marc:And it might take them a while to get out, but they will eventually go away and remove it and go on with their life.
Marc:a big what the fuck though seriously i'm surrounded by books as i talked about on one of my past shows i have record albums i have cds i have photographs on the wall that i bought i have i have computers that i don't use anymore but this is understandable i live in an old house my house was built in 1924
Marc:and it sits on a hill, and it is not anchored for earthquakes.
Marc:It has survived several earthquakes, but it's not anchored for earthquakes.
Marc:It could all slide down the hill with all of my books, all of my pictures, and it could burn up in a fire.
Marc:But you know what won't burn up in a fire?
Marc:These old computers.
Marc:What do we do with digital detritus, with garbage left over that has lots of information on it that cannot seem to be destroyed?
Marc:I don't know what the hell to do with old computers.
Marc:Because I feel like it's not that there's so much that there's important stuff on there, but there is.
Marc:I think there seems to be information.
Marc:There's evidence of things.
Marc:There's numbers that are important.
Marc:I've got this old Toshiba sitting there.
Marc:I don't know what the hell to do with it.
Marc:I got to watch.
Marc:I got to move my coffee.
Marc:I dumped a bottle of soda on a Mac.
Marc:a MacBook and destroyed it.
Marc:And I took the hard drive out.
Marc:I have that hard drive with me.
Marc:You know why?
Marc:Because it's secret.
Marc:It's top secret stuff.
Marc:You know what I need other than a shredder?
Marc:I think most of us have been convinced now that we need shredders.
Marc:You got to have a shredder.
Marc:Better have a shredder, a crisscross shredder, one that cross cuts it.
Marc:So people can't tape it back together and find out the numbers that are needed to steal your identity and open up accounts in your name and buy houses and boats and
Marc:in the name of you destroying your credit.
Marc:So what they need to manufacture is to create some sort of home and office smelter.
Marc:What we need really is a bubbling urn of molten metal to throw our hard drives in, to throw our disks, our little...
Marc:You know, clip drives or whatever the hell those things are called.
Marc:We need smelters because that's the only way I'm going to feel safe.
Marc:I will drag these hard drives around until I die, until I can actually like that Terminator movie.
Marc:Just throw it into a molten vat, a vat of molten metal to know that it would be truly destroyed.
Marc:But, you know, the high school artwork I'll keep.
Marc:I'd like to have a smelter for the other stuff.
Marc:It took a while to get out here.
Marc:I think I'm going to make the transition pretty permanent.
Marc:I went out and bought some equipment so I could do this.
Marc:As I said, I hope it sounds good.
Marc:It's all new to me.
Marc:I had to have my friend Jesse.
Marc:Some of you may know him.
Marc:Jesse Thorne from the Sound of Young America.
Marc:He lives down the street, kind of, and he offered to help me do some things, and he did.
Marc:And I don't learn easily.
Marc:I don't know that if I ever did.
Marc:And I came up with this realization that I think that people like me...
Marc:And bullies.
Marc:I'm not a bully, but I am not a nerd either.
Marc:I was never a Dungeons and Dragons person.
Marc:I was never a chess person.
Marc:I was never a calculus person.
Marc:I didn't do well in chemistry, have no idea how to program anything.
Marc:I don't retain things that well.
Marc:The way it was put best to me, and I think it's honest, is in my 30s, I decided to go back to college to take a course at the new school because I decided that I was older now.
Marc:There are things I can understand now that I wouldn't have been able to understand.
Marc:And the course I took was philosophy.
Marc:I was going to take a philosophy class at the new school so I could expand my mind and engage because I'm a I'm a philosophical person.
Marc:So I enroll in this class and it is a philosophy class, but it's more like logic oriented, which is more like mathematics.
Marc:And I couldn't really dig it.
Marc:And I would go at that time.
Marc:I'd smoke a little pot.
Marc:I'd walk over to the new school.
Marc:I'd go sit there with the old Jewish ladies who were taking classes.
Marc:And because I was bored, I immediately became annoying to the teacher.
Marc:I was cracking jokes.
Marc:I was trying to run the class or run it off track, as I did when I was in high school and earlier.
Marc:but not really getting it.
Marc:And one day I was in the elevator with the professor and we are going down and he turns to me and he says, why are you taking this class?
Marc:And I said, oh, well, I don't know.
Marc:I feel like I'm getting something out of it.
Marc:He goes, well, what are you getting out of it?
Marc:And I said, I don't know.
Marc:My head seems to feel pretty full when I leave, which in retrospect, a very stoned thing to say.
Marc:And then this guy looks at me and I don't really even remember this guy that well.
Marc:And I do.
Marc:He didn't like me, but he looks at me and he says, you know, you can fill your head two ways.
Marc:either you can put new things in it or you can heat up what's already in there so it expands.
Marc:And that was the last day I went to class because that philosophically to me was the most profound thing I was going to get out of that class because I got no patience for math.
Marc:I have no patience for classical logic.
Marc:And what I'm getting at is that it dawned on me that
Marc:That I just don't learn things that easily.
Marc:I don't learn new things that easily because I don't have patience.
Marc:I get anxious.
Marc:I get irritated.
Marc:I want somebody to do it for me.
Marc:I'd rather hire somebody to to work my Blackberry.
Marc:I'd rather, you know, try to pay somebody to come record this, which I'm doing by myself, which is, you know, like I feel like a child.
Marc:I'm like, yeah, look, no look, no training wheels.
Marc:And I realized that the difference between me and somebody who knows how to learn things is those people were able to focus.
Marc:I imagine many of them have the same obsessive compulsive nature that I do, but they were able to focus.
Marc:And the reason they were able to focus is primarily because they didn't necessarily fit in.
Marc:Because I remember the nerds and the geeks and the smarties from high school, from junior high, from elementary school.
Marc:They were always ostracized.
Marc:They were always awkward.
Marc:They were always bullied.
Marc:And what made me realize what happens after that was just the fact that I couldn't use my phone one day.
Marc:And I realized that some smarty, some geek, some nerd designed this BlackBerry.
Marc:And it's too complicated for me to even read the manual because these were the kids that the bullies would say.
Marc:Hey, fuck you, nerd.
Marc:Hey, four eyes.
Marc:Hey, smelly.
Marc:Hey, would your mom dress you?
Marc:Those are dumb pants.
Marc:And these kids would suck it up.
Marc:They'd go home.
Marc:They'd go in the room and they'd just hunker down and say, you're my only friend calculus problem.
Marc:You understand me, and I understand you, and I'm going to take as long as is necessary for me to really understand you.
Marc:You're my only friend's chess pieces.
Marc:That's right, Mr. King.
Marc:I'm going to learn how all of you work.
Marc:You're my only best pal, computer program.
Marc:And what was I doing?
Marc:I was wandering around the halls trying to get people to like me and cracking jokes.
Marc:And what were the jocks and the bullies doing?
Marc:Being retarded.
Marc:And they probably still are.
Marc:And who wins?
Marc:I don't know how to work my phone.
Marc:So I guess we know who won.
Marc:My guest in my house, the first guest that I've had in my house, in my garage, is Nick Kroll.
Marc:And you may know him from Human Giant.
Marc:You may know him from blah, blah, blah, and the things he does on The Thing, the funny or die things.
Marc:I didn't have time to do my homework because I was busy going to Radio Shack to make sure I could talk to you on the machine.
Marc:Why don't you tell me your credits, Nick?
Guest 4:Okay, let's start at the beginning.
Marc:Okay.
Guest 4:Georgetown Players Improv Group.
Guest 4:Wow.
Guest 4:Which was pretty big.
Guest 4:I was in the No Show my freshman year.
Guest 4:I got fourth place in the Funniest Act on Campus my freshman year.
Guest 4:Do you know who won that competition?
Guest 4:No, I don't.
Guest 4:Mike Birbiglia.
Guest 4:If you want to go all the way back credits-wise, we can go back to second grade.
Marc:Second grade.
Marc:Okay, let's start there.
Guest 4:Okay.
Guest 4:I played the Pharaoh in Exodus from Egypt on a Passover play at the Jewish day school that I attended.
Guest 4:Uh-huh.
Guest 4:I wore a gold lame outfit.
Guest 4:Okay.
Guest 4:I then went on to play Ali Hakim, the swarthy Persian peddler, on two separate occasions.
Guest 4:Okay.
Guest 4:I'm not familiar with that work.
Guest 4:What is that exactly?
Guest 4:Have you seen the wonderful musical Oklahoma?
Guest 4:Yes, I have.
Guest 4:Okay.
Guest 4:Well, Ali Hackam is the swarthy Persian peddler in Oklahoma.
Guest 3:Okay.
Guest 4:I played that twice.
Guest 4:Once at my school and then once at my synagogue.
Guest 4:The following year at my synagogue, I was, this is probably the Jewish thing you can do.
Guest 4:I was the rabbi in a synagogue production of Fiddler on the Roof.
Guest 4:Wow.
Guest 4:And how old were you?
Guest 4:I was about 15 at that time.
Marc:So you were like a theater geek.
Guest 4:Well, that's the thing is like, I don't think of myself as having been a theater geek.
Guest 4:I mean, I did a couple of plays and then in high school, I didn't really do... I was smoking so much herb in high school that I didn't think to do plays.
Guest 4:I did one play and then I was supposed to play Lucky Pierre in like Our Town or Music Man or some bullshit.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:And I quit.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:um and then when i got to college i did the funny sect on campus and the whole idea was i was going to get on stage be super and i was going to be like god i thought i was going to be so nervous but i'm so relaxed and then i was going to have a balloon and a pin i was going to pop the balloon and it would look like i was taking a piss in my pants and i got drunk beforehand because i was in fact actually very nervous yeah and showed up and uh
Guest 4:had no balloon or pin and was rummaging backstage through the garbage for, uh, like, uh, anything.
Guest 4:I ended up on stage with a plastic bag, like a sandwich bag filled with water and a pen.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:And I got on stage.
Guest 4:I was like, God, I thought I was gonna be so nervous, but I'm really relaxed.
Guest 4:And then, and then I just had my hand looking like I was jerking myself off and trying to, trying to break the, uh, trying to break the plastic bag with the water, uh, with a pen, jamming it, looking like I was furiously masturbating.
Marc:And did you succeed in breaking the bag?
Guest 4:No.
Guest 4:But I succeeded in doing my first truly alternative comedy bit in which I then just talked about how the bit was failing.
Guest 4:And that didn't really work.
Marc:You went live with that?
Marc:You were on stage and you said, what's happening is this?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I've had that moment myself.
Marc:I was doing a production of Don't Drink the Water.
Marc:Really?
Marc:The Woody Allen play.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:I did it in college.
Marc:And there's a scene where I'm the old man.
Marc:I'm the old Jewish guy.
Marc:I can't remember his name.
Marc:Maybe Walter.
Marc:And there's a scene where a bomb comes in the window and I'm supposed to pick it up and go, what's this?
Marc:And another guy goes, it's a bomb.
Marc:And then I throw it to him.
Marc:He throws it back out the window.
Marc:so one night the bomb comes through the window slides off the stage into the audience and i'm standing there and i didn't know what to do so i said what was that and the other guy who has the other line goes i don't know i didn't see it so so now i got to break the fourth wall and i just walk up to the stage and just give me it give me it and the guy gives me the thing i go oh it's a bomb and then we continue on how did it do did it kill
Marc:Of course.
Marc:Well, you know, anytime you break the fourth wall, as much as they say not to do it, it's hilarious.
Marc:People love it.
Marc:They love it.
Marc:Do you laugh during your act?
Marc:I have at times.
Marc:I find that what I do occasionally lately if I'm feeling charming is I'll get right to that point where I'm about to laugh and try to hold that.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And then let them laugh.
Guest 4:I do think that people like to see you have fun.
Guest 4:You mean me in particular?
Guest 4:You in particular.
Marc:Nobody else.
Marc:I think that's right.
Guest 4:The only play I've ever done, really, was I did Woody Allen one act called God, I think it was.
Marc:Sure, I did that.
Marc:Was that the one with death and the guy?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You would be perfect for that role.
Marc:I cast a guy.
Marc:We did a double bill.
Marc:I was directing.
Marc:We did Death Knocks is the one we did.
Marc:We did God.
Marc:Uh-huh.
Marc:Which is the one with the Greek chorus.
Guest 1:Yes.
Marc:Right.
Marc:I did that, and then we did a double bill with Death Knox, which is Death and a guy that looks like you, in my mind.
Marc:Which doesn't look anything like you.
Marc:No, I think we're very different.
Guest 4:Are we?
Guest 4:Are we not?
Guest 4:We are of the same genetic.
Guest 4:Our genetic strain is very close, I would say.
Marc:I knew that to be true, and the first time I saw you, I had that thing that usually happens with me, which is like, wow, this guy's really talented.
Marc:I resent him.
Marc:He looks like he's a very capable actor.
Marc:He does characters, which I resent.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And I think when I say resent, I should say, I'm scared to do that, so therefore I must not like him.
Guest 4:Right, right.
Marc:But then...
Guest 4:Very kind of you.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But then we're, you know, like, of course, we cannot deny the genetic Jewish connection.
Marc:You can only fight yourself so much.
Marc:And I think the first time we actually had fun together was in Montreal because we were in a dressing room.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest 4:And that wasn't long ago.
Guest 4:Jim Gaffigan, another Jew.
Guest 4:Very Jewish, Jim.
Marc:But he won't discuss it at all.
Guest 4:No, he's not going to come out with it.
Guest 4:He denies it.
Guest 4:He's his own Jewishness denier.
Guest 4:It's a shame because he would be such a great voice for the community.
Guest 4:I think so.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:I do feel like it is weird.
Guest 4:Weirdly, and I don't know if it's like my little crew of friends, I don't actually, you know, you're like, oh, everyone in comedy is Jewish.
Guest 4:I actually don't deal with that many Jews in comedy.
Guest 4:It's not like it used to be.
Guest 4:And we're trying to get it back.
Guest 4:But, you know, these things take time.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:I almost prefer it to be the back to being not the other, but just not the dominant force.
Marc:Well, I think what happened was at some point it was always the business was always relatively Jewish.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But there's always been black comedians and black acts that play the black community.
Marc:And then there's been the Jews.
Marc:And there's always been a few Gentile comedians.
Marc:Great ones.
Marc:Bob Newhart was not Jewish.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And then there's probably some other ones.
Marc:George Carlin wasn't Jewish.
Marc:George Carlin, not Jewish.
Marc:But he passed.
Guest 4:He felt like a Jew.
Marc:Well, he was his own thing, really.
Marc:And of course, Bob Newhart hung out with a lot of Jews.
Marc:I just think that what happened is as more people got involved with the business and the business broke open, a lot more people are involved.
Marc:A great many of them aren't Jews.
Marc:A lot of the people that come out of Chicago.
Marc:Irish Catholics.
Marc:It's like all Irish Catholics.
Marc:Right.
Marc:A lot of the improv people are not Jews.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:That's the truth.
Guest 4:And I think that's partly for me is like the stand ups.
Guest 4:They're just are in the improv world.
Guest 4:There are less Jews.
Guest 4:And I don't know if it's because they can't collaborate.
Marc:Right.
Marc:I don't I don't know.
Marc:But I think it's helped a lot of things because I think that the language of comedy early on was almost a Jewish rhythm.
Marc:And I think that things have have really changed.
Marc:There hasn't been.
Marc:And the whole the whole nature of comedy has changed.
Marc:I mean, you come out of a discipline that I didn't come out of.
Marc:I mean, I came out of stand up.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And you're like a theater improv guy.
Guest 4:Right.
Guest 4:Yeah, I mean, I started doing stand-up when I moved to the city in conjunction with the improv stuff, because I wanted stage time.
Guest 4:I wanted to be able to control being able to go out and do a fucking set.
Guest 4:And so I got, I think, a little taste of both, but I've gotten into clubs a bit later than starting there.
Guest 4:And you're funny stand-up.
Guest 4:Thank you.
Marc:i i enjoy i actually enjoy your work thank you and i saw you yesterday the only reason you're here is was we were i got a call from my management uh saying that i i got to i'm doing a character on the the life of tim which is your regular on yes i got there and i was happy to see you yeah now let me ask you a question you know off uh off uh topic when you do something like that let's say your management calls you up and says you're going to do this don't they usually call the next day to say how to go
Guest 4:I feel like I am weirdly now feeling the trappings of enough success where I feel like my representation is beginning to ignore me.
Marc:Does that make sense?
Marc:Because they don't have to worry about you because you have money coming in.
Guest 4:Right.
Guest 4:They, you know...
Guest 4:No, I mean, yes, or it's a couple days later, but I am literally starting to... It's so weird because it's like, well, who fucking cares?
Guest 4:You don't want them around half the time anyway.
Guest 4:And then all of a sudden they don't call and you're like, why didn't they call?
Guest 4:Yeah, it becomes like a marriage.
Guest 4:Yeah, well, I feel very much like representation is.
Guest 4:And I feel like we talk about them like you talk about girlfriends and boyfriends and people you're interested in being like, well, you know, so-and-so is interested and we'll see.
Guest 4:I don't want to leave whatever, but I just feel like I'm being taken for granted here.
Guest 4:Right, right, right.
Guest 4:And you talk about it, at least in my group of friends, we talk about it with the same verve that you talk about a relationship.
Marc:Oh, yeah, of course.
Marc:It's either a relationship or your parents.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Either way.
Marc:Now, I think another thing that bothers me about you...
Marc:is that you seem oddly well-adjusted for a Jew and for a comedic performer.
Marc:I know that you must be crazy on some level because you do crazy things on stage.
Marc:But I would like right now, I want to know the struggles of Nick Kroll.
Marc:He gets up in the morning, he looks in the mirror and says, it's easy.
Marc:That's it?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest 4:I mean, I have my struggles, but I have had about an easier ride as you could have.
Guest 4:totally you know what i just started resenting you good you will when you hear the full story yeah do you want to hear it or no because it's you will you will resent me for it you will resent me for my i come from an intact family parents still married youngest of four siblings all married with kids i mean that will probably be my my my the struggle is that i'm like uh probably not fully capable of love
Guest 4:and okay i like you again now but let's talk about your siblings for a minute yeah are they all successful uh yeah they all are i mean i'm i'm both the black sheep and the golden boy does that make sense no i'm i have that okay i'm not sure i'm delivering on the golden boy completely well but i don't believe that i mean like i think and who knows i mean like my siblings all went to work with my father i think they all tried other things what's the family business
Guest 4:My dad created a company about 30 years ago, which is like corporate securities investigations.
Guest 4:Risk mitigation is what the business is.
Guest 4:Oh, my God.
Guest 4:I fell asleep in the middle of that.
Guest 4:What happens if you wouldn't, though?
Guest 4:Actually, if I explain it like he was a Wall Street's private eye during all the hostile takeovers in the 80s companies.
Guest 4:So he's a good guy.
Marc:I think so.
Marc:He's like an Elliot Ness of the financial institutions.
Marc:Like your dad's name gets mentioned and brokers go, oh, fuck.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That guy.
Guest 4:What he is working towards right now, he sold his company.
Guest 4:What he's working towards right now is starting a new credit rating agency because of how the credit rating agencies failed to figure out all the shit.
Marc:They actually do their job and they instead sold...
Guest 4:billions of dollars worth of mortgages to people that couldn't afford to even do anything yeah giving giving bundled mortgages triple-a ratings victimizing them yeah and then stealing like fuck teachers pensions in the process so he is working to uh his he sold his company he's working towards creating a new credit rating and she's like
Marc:Okay, so now let's get back to your easy ride, Nick Kroll.
Marc:Because you came out of nowhere.
Marc:I remember the first time I saw you doing some borderline gay character.
Marc:You're kind of close to gay.
Marc:Do you get that a lot?
Guest 4:I'm on the verge.
Guest 4:It helps me with women.
Marc:No, I'm sure.
Marc:I would never insinuate that that's a bad thing.
Marc:I envy also men.
Marc:who can let that go.
Marc:Cause I was on a train in New York and I saw this group of gay men talking and they were just, you know, professionally dressed.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But they were like, no, are you kidding?
Marc:That's fabulous.
Marc:Super gay.
Marc:And I'm like, oh my God, is that, do they have to do that?
Marc:Is that, and then I realized, but, but I realized like it's easy to do and it's actually very relaxing.
Marc:And, and, and like, and then I realized like maybe that's the way we should all be talking.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But then some of us are like, no, you got to hide that shit or actually, you know, people think we're gay.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But it's an easier way to go and you seem pretty comfortable with it.
Marc:You're not really gay.
Guest 4:No, but I have feminine qualities to me.
Guest 4:I know, and they are lovely.
Guest 4:Thank you.
Guest 4:I think that leisure breeds masculinity out of people.
Guest 4:I think the richer you are, the more likely you're going to be gay or feminine.
Guest 4:Because there's no struggle.
Marc:Tell that to Branson from Virgin Airlines.
Guest 4:Well, but Branson, it's true, but he's a self-made man.
Marc:Tell that to Ted Turner.
Marc:Actually, who knows what that guy does behind.
Marc:You know what?
Marc:You may be right, but some of what you're talking about may not happen publicly.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:Like you could make a lot of money and just have an S&M dungeon that you have boys come to every day.
Guest 4:But I think that it's the children of Ted Turner, the children of Richard Branson, the men are going to be more feminine.
Guest 4:Just queens.
Guest 4:Queens are not even gay, but just more leisure-oriented, and everything's easier and relaxed.
Marc:Right, the leisure class.
Marc:I've met those kids.
Marc:I've met trust fund kids, and they always are like, I don't have to do anything.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Where do you want to go?
Marc:Let's go buy shoes.
Guest 4:Exactly.
Guest 4:No.
Guest 4:Well, we made this thing called Rich Dicks, and it is those guys, me and John Daly, and they are those just super whatever, and they are specifically the...
Guest 4:Leisure has bred all of that out of them.
Marc:But that's contemptible because it's also usually those guys or the next generation after that, if they even succeed in having another one, are the ones that squander the family fortune out of an inability to function in terms of creating or doing any work whatsoever.
Marc:But they're very important to people that do because they usually squander the money on arts and projects that people like you and me talk them into doing.
Guest 4:Yeah, exactly.
Guest 4:We need them.
Guest 4:They are our patrons.
Marc:So back to the easy ride because I'm starting to like you again.
Guest 4:Right.
Guest 4:So I think that I have and I am I have had an easy ride.
Guest 4:You know, financially, it's been it's been my, you know, family did quite well.
Guest 4:And but I think that for me, what it was, was I didn't I discovered in college when I found improv that I that's all I.
Guest 4:ever wanted to do comedy was the first thing that I ever wanted to put any effort in.
Guest 4:So, whereas a lot of my friends are those rich dicks who I grew up with.
Guest 4:Like, I just, I all of a sudden was like, what I just, all I want to fucking do is make comedy, you know?
Guest 4:So that's not going to make you like me more.
Guest 4:Um, but no, I respect that.
Guest 4:So my siblings are all married happily.
Guest 4:So, um, they are all, uh, raising families.
Guest 4:Um, I am very, I'm 31.
Guest 4:I don't see myself settling down anytime soon.
Guest 4:Um,
Marc:Yeah, but a guy like you, you watch.
Marc:You're going to have this new TV show on the air, which we'll talk about in a minute.
Marc:And you're going to buy a house.
Marc:And then you'll be amazed at how that changes your desire to do that kind of thing.
Marc:Because I think a lot of that, when you're ambitious and you're climbing and you're on that...
Marc:up to success that once you level off and you realize like this isn't going to go away.
Marc:Right.
Marc:You know, I can afford to do things.
Marc:Right.
Marc:That gives you a little more emotional space.
Guest 4:Yes.
Guest 4:And that right now there's none of that emotional space.
Guest 4:Right.
Guest 4:I fear that I inherently do not have that emotional space.
Right.
Guest 4:I don't know, but you're charming.
Guest 4:You can pretend.
Guest 4:Right.
Guest 4:Well, that's the thing is I know I can pretend to be a loving husband.
Marc:That's what most husbands do.
Marc:What do you think?
Marc:After a certain point that you could keep that shit up?
Guest 4:I don't know.
Guest 4:Is that the great?
Guest 4:Well, what about taking yourself out of that?
Guest 4:Do you observe people who seem to be able to?
Marc:No, I think what happens is loving becomes, I think what happens once trust is built and a family is built is that the best that you can be is communicative and you can certainly be loving.
Marc:And a lot of people do love their spouses.
Marc:But I think there are issues of compromise and tolerance and acceptance around this stuff because monogamy is a tough racket.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Because of the sexual desire or because of-
Marc:No, just all across the board.
Marc:It's having another person that you love and that you trust and on some level share responsibilities with and enjoy being with.
Marc:Right.
Marc:That just like anything else, it's like we're talking about with management or a best friend.
Marc:You have to be able to get through the walls that you hit.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And you have to respect each other.
Marc:Right.
Guest 4:And that's where, yeah, I feel like what I fear is that I will never want to make a decision with someone else in mind.
Marc:Yeah, well, that is what can destroy things, because you're self-centered, you're Jewish, you're maybe not neurotic, but you could certainly be irritating, I think, couldn't you?
Guest 3:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest 3:I mean, I imagine that when you've broken up with women, what have they usually said?
Guest 4:See, I usually break up with women before I can, when I'm like two months in, I'm like, oh, I'm not going to marry this girl.
Guest 4:I make it clear to them that I am incapable of long-term commitment.
Guest 4:And then like after like six months, like slowly, like casually and amicably walk away so they don't hate me.
Guest 4:But I also never open up and enjoy the actual fruits of love.
Marc:Maybe you are gay.
Marc:Have you?
Guest 4:I try to.
Guest 4:I try to stuff, but I understand stuffing it in soft.
Guest 4:Yeah, it doesn't work.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:No, I think life would be easier.
Guest 4:My life would probably be easier being gay.
Guest 4:Although those guys, they go through the same shit.
Marc:Of course they do.
Marc:And on top of that, they're gay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So I don't know how much easier that is necessarily.
Marc:And that's not being negative about being gay.
Marc:But I think that the struggle socially that still exists.
Marc:Yeah, it's still there.
Marc:It's still hard.
Marc:But it's a lot different than it was.
Marc:And I think a lot of it has to do with that.
Marc:They have enclaves now, almost like the Sedum.
Marc:There are gay areas where if you're not gay, you're like, where are we?
Marc:We have to behave properly.
Guest 4:Like Chelsea.
Marc:is the Bensonhurst of Manhattan.
Marc:Yeah, or West Hollywood is the gay Bensonhurst.
Marc:I don't know if that theory really holds up.
Marc:All right, so how easy was it?
Marc:So all you wanted to do was comedy.
Marc:That's all, yeah.
Marc:And you were doing your goofy characters.
Guest 4:Yeah, well, I moved to New York and doing improv and started doing stand-up and then started to do characters and found that the truth is I found it easier to know a character's point of view more than my own.
Guest 4:I still feel like that.
Guest 4:It's easier to be like, what does a gay Latin guy think?
Guest 4:And no, probably to a stereotypical idea of what a gay Latin guy thinks more than like, what does a 26-year-old Jewish guy think?
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:Because it's like, who fucking cares what a 26-year-old Jewish guy thinks?
Marc:Well, I'm really putting a lot of my time and energy in hoping that people care what a 46-year-old Jewish guy thinks.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest 4:So maybe as you get older, it becomes more... No, and I have slowly, I think, doing stand-up found the joy in my voice as a stand-up.
Guest 4:But it oftentimes comes back to doing a character in my stand-up, figuring out how to do that within it.
Guest 4:Right.
Guest 4:But I, you know...
Marc:All right, so let's talk about the easy ride again.
Marc:Easy ride.
Marc:Because I still am finding myself liking you and wanting to help you somehow.
Marc:So you want, okay.
Marc:Emotional problems.
Marc:So you moved to New York.
Marc:I moved to New York.
Marc:You're doing the UCB thing.
Guest 4:And then Aziz Ansari and you.
Guest 4:Aziz started doing his show.
Guest 4:I saw someone whose coattails I could grab onto.
Guest 4:Right.
Guest 4:I held on tight.
Guest 4:Which isn't easy because I find him difficult.
Marc:Really?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I don't know him, but maybe I'm projecting, but I find that he seems like he has very sturdy boundaries and he's very ambitious and he doesn't indulge me at all.
Guest 4:He does not indulge people.
Guest 4:And I think it just, we caught each other early, early on.
Guest 4:And it was like, you know, and I think it's like whoever you come up with, like you came up with your people who you like look around and you're like, all right, so we're all around the same time.
Guest 4:We're all the same age.
Marc:I wish I'd been more aware of that at the time and realized that it was a good thing to keep those relationships as opposed to like, you know,
Marc:I'm doing my own thing.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Because I'm in my garage right now.
Marc:I'm still doing my own thing.
Guest 4:Well, but it's like, at the same time, you can't really count on anybody else to build your career for you or maintain it except for yourself.
Marc:See, I never... That's a whole word I didn't even use, career.
Marc:I was just... I want to be a stand-up comedy person.
Marc:I'm a comedian, and then everything will be delivered.
Guest 4:I had no idea that there were... Well, but when you were coming up, you could be a stand-up and be handed things.
Guest 4:I don't think that's the case anymore.
Guest 4:No, you've got to hand yourself a lot.
Guest 4:Right.
Guest 4:And you have.
Guest 4:And I think I came up already at a point where like nobody was giving you deals for being a funny stand up.
Marc:Right.
Marc:You know.
Marc:So, OK, so you do Human Giant with Aziz.
Guest 4:I mean, I wasn't a regular.
Guest 4:I was a recurring friend of Aziz.
Guest 4:I wasn't even in Human Giant.
Guest 4:And then what happens?
Guest 4:What's because I don't want to keep you here too late.
Marc:You got to do a cartoon.
Guest 4:I started making my own stuff, you know, videos.
Guest 4:We did a series for ComedyCentral.com, their first thing called I Love the 30s, which is a parody of I Love the 80s.
Guest 4:It's people in the 40s talking about the 30s and started to learn how to produce that stuff.
Guest 4:One of my favorite things that I've done to this day and I think forever is with my buddy John Mulaney, who I think is literally the funniest dude on the planet.
Marc:John Mulaney, very funny, very persistent, very calculated in his delivery, and now a writer for SNL, and a good guy, and a funny guy.
Guest 4:A guy who I know Aziz used to be a lovely guy, but he is definitely not going to just open up and be like,
Guest 4:like everybody in um john is incredibly well behaved and like i think very much as a student of the history of comedy and and appreciates it and knows very much i think is very conscious of his of of not stepping on toes and not in an unpleasant way in a in a he is respectful of everyone um and i think is literally the funniest dude of our generation he will be people will realize 10 years from now anyway we do this thing called oh hello um
Guest 4:two Upper West Side middle-aged divorcees who are obsessed with Alan Alda.
Guest 4:And they're one of the favorite things I've ever done.
Guest 4:I think it was like we started doing it live on stage, and we would improvise with it, and we had written bits, and we started shooting videos with it.
Guest 4:And I just, I love them more than anything else.
Guest 4:It's such a specific, it's not going to ever work for America.
Guest 4:It's only for people from New York and people who are from L.A.
Guest 4:who love Woody Allen.
Guest 4:What was your break?
Guest 4:My break?
Guest 4:I did Cavemen.
Marc:Oh, that's right.
Marc:You were on the TV show.
Marc:I was on the hit TV show, Caveman.
Marc:Based on the commercial.
Marc:You were on a TV show based on a commercial.
Marc:You were one of the cavemen.
Marc:I was one of the cavemen.
Marc:And you stood out.
Guest 4:I stood out as the Jewish caveman.
Guest 4:As the sarcastic, ironic Jewish caveman.
Guest 4:And that was what got you in with the biz.
Guest 4:That was what moved me out here and I think gave me some sort of credibility as like, okay, we can put him on a TV show.
Marc:And now let's talk about this, because you do have to go do the life of Tim.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I think I had a good time doing that.
Marc:Good.
Marc:It's so fun.
Marc:Yeah, I didn't realize there was that much improv.
Marc:But the funny thing I had, the experience I had with him, I'd never met him before, and we didn't really even talk before we went in.
Marc:And I'm doing my thing, and he kept laughing.
Guest 4:Yeah, he laughs throughout it.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:Well, but it has now been integrated into his character that Tim is, to deal with awkward situations, laughs.
Marc:But I think he was genuinely laughing.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest 4:Oh, no.
Guest 4:When he's laughing, he's laughing.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:He's not a false dude like that.
Guest 4:Where did he come from?
Guest 4:Advertising world.
Guest 4:Interesting.
Guest 4:Steve Dildarian, creator of Life and Times Tim.
Guest 4:It's coming out.
Guest 4:The second season, it starts in January.
Guest 4:And this season is a crazy group.
Guest 4:I'm so psyched this year because it was like we had our little cast of people and recurring people last year.
Guest 4:But like this year we have like, you know, you came in Bonnie Hunt, Bob Odenkirk, Alfred Molina for Will Forte, Jennifer Coolidge, John Daly, Andrew Daly and Brett Gelman.
Guest 4:Guys like that are recurring guys who are in a bunch of episodes.
Guest 4:It's really, I mean, Bob Einstein came in the other day and it's like, you know, for me, I'm a regular.
Guest 4:I have like two scenes of show, but I get to fuck around with people who I work with all the time and people who I've looked up to for a long time.
Guest 4:That's interesting what can happen in the world of cartoons.
Guest 4:I know.
Marc:Yeah, no, I was very excited.
Guest 4:And it's like, I mean, I'm looking at your Dr. Katz photo up there, and it has that same vibe, I think.
Marc:Yeah, no, I enjoyed the few episodes I saw, but I certainly got a new respect for it yesterday, given how much improv is done and how...
Marc:Sort of his sensibility about when a scene is done and when they have gotten what they need to do.
Guest 4:They do like five or six takes and they're like, and it's him and Luke, who's a writer who's also cuts all the audio.
Guest 4:That's why I think the show works is because you've got a writer editing it.
Marc:Right.
Guest 4:Who knows where jokes are.
Marc:So now when I saw you, we talked about this new project you're doing for FX that I had heard about.
Marc:And we what's it called?
Marc:It's called The League.
Marc:The League.
Marc:And we talked about Steve Renaziz being a guy's guy.
Marc:He's a guy.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I saw him last night at the comedy store.
Marc:He's a sweet guy.
Marc:And he couldn't be more thrilled with what's happening at the show.
Marc:What is the show and when does it premiere?
Guest 4:The League is created by a guy, Jeff Schaefer, and his wife, Jackie.
Guest 4:Jeff, who is a guy who's been working on Curb with Larry for years.
Guest 4:And so it's got that.
Guest 4:It's going to be a Curb-style show, all very loosely scripted.
Guest 4:It's about a bunch of guys who are in a fantasy football league together.
Guest 4:I hadn't been in a league until this year.
Guest 4:We're all in one together.
Guest 4:And fantasy football, 30 million people are doing it this year.
Guest 4:It's huge.
Guest 4:I've never gravitated towards anything.
Guest 4:Neither have I. Anything.
Marc:Period.
Marc:No, nothing good for me.
Marc:Nothing like sports.
Marc:Sports isn't good for you.
Marc:But you were a football fan?
Guest 4:I was a fan of football.
Marc:I like watching games.
Guest 4:So I understood the vocabulary.
Guest 4:I knew this or the grammar.
Guest 4:I knew I didn't know the vocabulary of like who the current players are, which I've learned.
Guest 4:It's so easy to do over two weeks and a fucking blast.
Guest 4:Um, and I think fantasy football is about guys.
Guest 4:Basically the basic idea of fantasy football is it's guys figuring out different ways to call each other gay on the internet.
Guest 4:Um,
Guest 4:And it's just the way that 30-year-old guys interact with each other.
Guest 4:They talk shit, they fuck around, they make fun of each other's wives that they don't get laid, that they masturbate, all that shit.
Guest 4:And I think that the loose improvisational style of the show lends itself to this particular format and medium of fantasy football.
Marc:That's awesome.
Marc:So did you tell me when it's going to go?
Guest 4:It's coming out.
Guest 4:We premiere October 29th, Thursday.
Guest 4:So soon.
Guest 4:So how many have you put in the can?
Guest 4:We've been block shooting.
Guest 4:So we have sort of two or three episodes done.
Guest 4:Block shooting.
Guest 4:Meaning we'll have a bar that we use in three episodes.
Guest 4:So we'll shoot all of the scenes at the bar over a day or two.
Guest 4:Okay.
Guest 4:And then we'll go to my house and shoot.
Guest 4:And then they'll just break them up and use them whenever they can.
Guest 4:Well, they have it all marked exactly when.
Marc:For six episodes.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest 4:I get it.
Guest 4:Yeah.
Guest 4:And then we premiere Thursdays, 1030 on FX.
Guest 4:We're going to follow Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Awesome.
Marc:Well, Nick Kroll, I'm going to let you go.
Marc:I'm actually, I've been sort of maternal in this episode.
Marc:very kind in this episode like i don't want nick to be late and i'm i'm gonna hope that when i push this button that i don't lose everything and this first interview done in the garage at the cat ranch overlooking the barrio of highland park in los angeles went well with uh with the uh very talented and uh not annoying at all really very pleasant and you're a kind man and i don't resent him nick crawl thank you
Marc:Coming out here was no easy task.
Marc:I get very anxious.
Marc:I get very panicky.
Marc:Not about flying, but about flying with a cat.
Marc:I don't know when the fuck I became that guy.
Marc:I don't really know why I'm the guy sitting on a plane with my cat, worrying about my cat.
Marc:Now, the biggest real worry about the cat...
Marc:is my cats are wild.
Marc:They're crazy.
Marc:They're truly feral at heart.
Marc:And to get them in a box is no easy task, though monkey is easier than most.
Marc:And once I get them in the box, if I can get them in the box, literally to the day I am traveling, I'm like, I don't know if the cat's leaving with me.
Marc:It all depends on whether or not I can get him in the box.
Marc:And I obsess for days.
Marc:I have to I have to focus like a ninja.
Marc:I have to sit there and get my mind in place to put my cat in the box.
Marc:Like literally, it's an exercise of it's like Zen almost.
Marc:I'm like, there can be no doubt in your mind, Mark, that you will get monkey in the box.
Marc:And I have to set the box up the night before so he doesn't suspect anything.
Marc:And then I have to act like nothing's about to happen.
Marc:And I have to say, hey, what's up?
Marc:And I have to pick the cat up and put him on my lap, which isn't easy.
Marc:And then in one swift movement, I have to pick him up and drop him into the box nicely.
Marc:But it has to be swift.
Marc:And there is no second guessing or else it'll all fail.
Marc:So I literally go through these exercises, these Zen warrior exercises of how am I going to get monkey into the fucking box?
Marc:So I get him in the box.
Marc:But that's just phase one.
Marc:OK, my cat, what he likes to do when he's freaked out is immediately shit.
Marc:And the last time I got him in a cage to bring him out to New York, right when I got him in the car in the cage, he shit in the cage.
Marc:And that's difficult because then you got to take the cat out or try to clean up the shit without him getting out, which is messy.
Marc:It's just a big smelly mess.
Marc:So once I get him in the box, I'm not even afraid of him shitting yet because I've got to take him out of the box to walk him through security because for whatever fucking reason, they can't just I don't know.
Marc:Maybe the x-ray machine is not good for a cat, but it's got to be better than flying the poor thing in cargo.
Marc:And I don't drug my cat because I was told that if you drug a cat, it's unable to metabolize properly.
Marc:So it's not good for the cat.
Marc:So I don't drug the cat.
Marc:But I got to take this fucking cat out when I get to security.
Marc:And I know that, too, because I've been through that before.
Marc:I've been through the panic.
Marc:I've made such a scene about having to take my cat out of the box that I might as well have been a crazy cat lady.
Marc:So I know that I'm going to have to take him out.
Marc:And my biggest fear around that is what if he gets out of my hands?
Marc:Then what happens?
Marc:Then my life becomes like a children's movie.
Marc:Just a montage of me running through airport environments, running around a baggage claim.
Marc:Monkey.
Marc:Oh, that darn cat.
Marc:Just me running.
Marc:And then, you know, cut to like my cat, like running and then cut to me like running and
Marc:That's a nightmare.
Marc:A nightmare.
Marc:But what I've learned though is a lot of times you take them out and they just want to get back in because they don't know where the fuck they are.
Marc:So that worked out okay.
Marc:But then once I'm on the plane, the shit fear happens.
Marc:What if he shits in the box on the plane?
Marc:Then I'm that guy.
Marc:I'm the guy that ruins the flight for everyone because I brought a cat on that can't control itself.
Marc:That's the worry.
Marc:But you know what?
Marc:It didn't happen.
Marc:He made it, held his water, held his poop, and we made it to LA okay.
Marc:So now I'm here at the cat ranch.
Marc:I got Monkey here.
Marc:I got Boomer here.
Marc:I got LaFonda here.
Marc:LaFonda, who's Monkey's sister, is apparently not talking to her brother, so he's uncomfortable.
Marc:I feel bad.
Marc:I'm anthropomorphizing a lot.
Marc:I'm thinking it was so much happier, but it's going to be okay.
Marc:Now all I have to worry about here is whether or not all these stinking raccoons and these dumb possums will eat all of Boomer's food.
Marc:And somebody seems to be moving shit around at night.
Marc:The ladder fell last night, and there was an exercise ball on the deck that is now
Marc:way down near the bottom of the hill.
Marc:Either it's the raccoons or a very bored, weird stalker that is not really trying to scare me, but just trying to puzzle me.
Marc:I don't assume that it's somebody coming over and go, let's just put the ladder on the ground tonight.
Marc:And then tomorrow we'll move that exercise ball to the bottom of the hill.
Marc:That'll really fuck them up.
Marc:I'm not suspecting that.
Oh,
Marc:That's our show.
Marc:I want to thank Nick Kroll.
Marc:I want to remind everybody that if you go to the UCB Theater, Upright Citizens Brigade Theater, Friday, October 16th at 8 p.m., you will see a live taping of What the Fuck with Marc Maron with several guests.
Marc:You might want to call to or go online and make reservations at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater in Los Angeles, California.
Marc:Where's my cat?
Marc:Maybe he'll talk to me.
Marc:Boomer.
Marc:Come here, Boomer.
Marc:Boomer.
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