Episode 1196 - Rick Glassman
Marc:Lock the gates!
Marc:Alright, let's do this.
Marc:How are you what the fuckers?
Marc:What the fuck buddies?
Marc:What the fuck nicks?
Marc:What the fucksters?
Marc:What is happening?
Marc:How are you doing?
Marc:How are the kids?
Marc:How's your mom doing?
Marc:Everything alright over there?
Marc:How's your finger?
Marc:Did it heal right?
Marc:Did you have to splint it?
Marc:Did you have to splint your finger?
Marc:Don't stick it in that thing next time.
Marc:Seriously.
Marc:How's that burn?
Marc:Is that burn okay?
Marc:What happened to your hair?
Marc:Well, maybe maybe you wait.
Marc:You don't cut it yourself next time.
Marc:I know it was just the bangs, but it's I'm just being honest with you.
Marc:But what they what fucking difference is it makes not like you're going out anyways.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Do whatever you want with it.
Marc:You know what?
Marc:Why don't you go into the bathroom and cut your hair in a way that'll just make you laugh and laugh and laugh and then just leave it that way for a while.
Marc:And then the next time you do a Zoom with somebody, a family friend, they'll be like, is she OK?
Marc:Is he OK?
Marc:What's with the haircut?
Marc:And you can just be like, what haircut?
Marc:And it'll be so funny.
Marc:You got to entertain yourself during these times because the creeping darkness is still among us.
Marc:Good morning.
Marc:Good afternoon.
Marc:How's it going?
Marc:You OK?
Marc:You staying in shape?
Marc:Enough with the comfort food, right?
Marc:Enough with it.
Marc:Enough with it.
Marc:Okay?
Marc:I'm tired of feeling slightly bloated, slightly filled up.
Marc:I'm tired.
Marc:The creeping darkness is still with us.
Marc:Look, first of all, some of you were expecting William Zabka today and Zabka had to cancel.
Marc:Zabka is shooting another season of Cobra Kai.
Marc:And as we know, or as I know, you think you can do something, you think you got an hour and then the schedule changes and you don't.
Marc:So we're looking to reschedule that.
Marc:OK, it's going to happen.
Marc:Today in his place, for those of you who are expecting William Zabka, well, don't be disappointed because we've got Rick Glassman.
Marc:That's right, Rick Glassman.
Marc:Yeah, Rick Glassman.
Marc:Are you like, holy shit, Rick Glassman?
Marc:Yep, Rick Glassman.
Marc:He's a comedian who I had sort of a rocky start with.
Marc:And he's got a podcast.
Marc:It's called the Take Your Shoes Off podcast.
Marc:And we met at the comedy store in a, you know, it was not a great first meeting, but I grew to like the kid.
Marc:The kid annoyed himself right into my heart.
Marc:And I did his podcast and I was surprisingly goofy.
Marc:Surprised everyone, myself included.
Yeah.
Marc:And and now he's on my show.
Marc:He came through in a pinch.
Marc:We're running tight these days.
Marc:Week to week, man.
Marc:We got a few in the camp, but some some people got to be dropped on certain days when someone needs to be dropped on a certain day.
Marc:You drop them on that day.
Marc:So Rick is here and we had a nice conversation.
Marc:Nice Jewish guy.
Marc:Dirty, filthy Jewish kid.
Marc:With the autism.
Marc:We get into it.
Marc:Funny guy.
Marc:You might know him from Undateable.
Marc:He's on that show.
Marc:He's going to be on another thing.
Marc:And then he does other things here and there.
Marc:Okay?
Marc:What are we going to do with the creeping darkness?
Marc:I can't take it.
Marc:Is it just because I'm 57?
Marc:Huh?
Marc:Is it?
Marc:Is it just the nature of the age I'm at that I see the creeping darkness?
Marc:I'm meditating.
Marc:Does this sound like a voice of someone who's meditating?
Marc:I am.
Marc:I'm yoga-ing.
Marc:I'm doing the yogas.
Marc:I do the yogas in the morning.
Marc:I do four to five yogas.
Marc:Yoga flows.
Marc:That's been helping.
Marc:I'm working out.
Marc:But it's just the walking around the house.
Marc:The up and down.
Marc:How am I so busy?
Marc:How does the day get filled?
Marc:I'll tell you how.
Marc:I'm running a fucking restaurant that serves me.
Marc:Cooking my ass off.
Marc:My cat Buster, he's the only cat left.
Marc:The other two are ashes and boxes on a shelf.
Marc:And Buster's very talkative.
Marc:We're bonding.
Marc:A lot of people are pressuring me to get another kitten, but I don't need any more anxiety.
Marc:I can barely handle the dread of... That's the other weird thing.
Marc:It's like...
Marc:So much of the dread of the ogre is gone, but then I'm back to regular dread.
Marc:And this has been such a weird relief to only have very basic existential dread.
Marc:Like, am I going to get sick and die?
Marc:Am I going to get sick and get sick?
Marc:Am I not going to get sick?
Marc:Can I ever leave the house again?
Marc:What is life?
Marc:What do I want to do with the rest of it?
Marc:Will I be able to go outside for the rest of my life?
Marc:Will we be able to travel?
Marc:Will we be able to run if necessary?
Marc:Do I need a gun?
Marc:And that's just the happy thoughts.
Marc:So I focus on the cat and I hyper focus on the cat.
Marc:The cat's a little sneezy, a little sniffly.
Marc:He does this.
Pfft.
Marc:And then he stops.
Marc:Now, there's no other symptoms.
Marc:But my brain, it's sort of like, does he have a tumor in his nose?
Marc:Is there a tumor pressing on his sinus passages?
Marc:Are his lungs collapsing?
Marc:Could be allergies, I guess.
Marc:And I Google cat allergies.
Marc:And I Google cat cold.
Marc:And I Google, then I'm into some other thing.
Marc:Cat sinus infection.
Marc:Does he have discharge?
Marc:Does he have fluids coming out of his eyes?
Marc:Is there black gunk in his nose?
Marc:Is he lethargic?
Marc:Is he eating?
Marc:Is he nodding?
Marc:No, he's a...
Marc:And then it goes every once in a while.
Marc:Not all the time.
Marc:Then he talks.
Marc:But when I have all this time, all I do is focus on the cat.
Marc:So needless to say, we've bonded very deeply.
Marc:And the thing about my cat, it's like Buster's a real character.
Marc:Like he has no balls.
Marc:He's got courage.
Marc:I'm not saying metaphorically.
Marc:He literally has no balls.
Marc:But this cat, you know, God bless him.
Marc:He's still got a lot of oomph.
Marc:Got a lot of hech.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:And that's not even a word.
Marc:That's just a Yiddish sound.
Marc:My cat's full of the uch, the yicha, the guchem.
Marc:He's full of the mch, the gech.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Not even words.
Marc:The chutz.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:My cat...
Marc:is still fucking pillows my cat will fuck the the shit out of a pillow got no balls but he's still got the gumption there's this new a nice new uh blanket cashmere blanket that i got in a box of schwag and uh buster's taken to it and he'll just he'll fuck he'll fuck that blanket and it'll look right in my face while he's doing it
Marc:I'll look at him, and I'm like, what's up?
Marc:And he's like, what do you mean, what's up?
Marc:Don't look at me.
Marc:I'm fucking a blanket.
Marc:I'm like, well, I'm going to look at you.
Marc:He's like, don't you fucking look at me.
Marc:He's like a little Dennis Hopper in blue velvet.
Marc:He's got a small oxygen mask that he handles with his paw.
Marc:Don't fucking look at me.
Marc:That's how he says it.
Marc:That's translating.
Marc:He's full of that cat.
Marc:But yeah, so that's where Buster's at.
Marc:He's got some sort of sneezy business.
Marc:And he's busy fucking pillows and blankets and talking to me.
Marc:And he wakes me up two or three times a night just to wake me up, apparently.
Marc:So he's doing okay.
Marc:Okay?
Marc:Who wouldn't be doing okay?
Marc:Fucking blankets.
Marc:Hey, Rick Glassman is here.
Marc:And as I said earlier, I've taken a liking to him.
Marc:He's difficult, but he's charming.
Marc:He's a comedian.
Marc:He's got the podcast Take Your Shoes Off.
Marc:And you can hear that every Monday if you want.
Marc:Take Your Shoes Off.
Marc:It's every Monday where you get podcasts.
Marc:We're going to talk about it.
Marc:We're going to talk about the goblins.
Marc:There's going to be talk about goblin cock.
Marc:Not goblin cock, but goblin cock.
Marc:Hey, look, I'm sorry if it's filthy.
Marc:All right?
Marc:I'm just sitting here fucking a pillow.
Marc:This is me talking to Rick Glassman.
Guest:I got a little cocky by taking my jacket off.
Marc:Well, I left the windows open out of respect for your fear.
Marc:And I guess my own.
Guest:Yeah, it's a mutual fear, no?
Marc:Yeah, it is, but I mean, I don't know.
Marc:Who the fuck knows?
Guest:You haven't had somebody in here in a while.
Guest:So when you're looking, what are you looking at?
Marc:Your computer monitor?
Marc:I bring in the laptop because this does nothing.
Marc:I can't seem to run the GarageBand and the image.
Marc:Without, it just takes too much something.
Marc:I don't fucking know.
Marc:You seem to know more about it than me.
Marc:Yeah, it's always, yeah.
Marc:I mean, you do, like, it seems like on your show, you do a lot of video work, a lot of editing, a lot of cartoons.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Poops, farts, elves.
Marc:Goblins.
Marc:Yeah, goblins.
Marc:But, you know, you've got to know something to do that, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I added live action animation and a lot of edits because, you know, you need to have something.
Marc:But do you do that?
Marc:Do you do the animation yourself?
Guest:No.
Guest:You hire that out?
Guest:Yeah, well, I always wanted to do animation because I just had fun ideas for bits.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I did a fake animation in an episode and a guy in England named Tom, he made the animation for me.
Guest:Oh, so you've got fan.
Guest:I don't know if he's a fan or a partner at this point because literally every episode I... Do you pay him?
Guest:I do pay him.
Marc:Well, he's working for you on some level.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But he did it out of the goodness of his heart because he enjoyed your comedy so much.
Guest:The rate he's giving me, he must still enjoy it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because I wouldn't be able to afford what he's doing otherwise.
Guest:People want to be part of it.
Guest:So you just what?
Guest:You send the file to him and he just does it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So most of the bits are planned out...
Guest:while we're doing the thing you know like when you say poops and pisses and shits i would i would then send him and say have the have the goblin be pooping on mark and pissing on his right or something right and in a smart way though yeah uh always smart and always highbrow pooping and pissing hbps yeah sure
Guest:So I tell him how I want it, and depending on where it is in the episode, how gratuitous it could be.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then sometimes I find bits after the fact.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I send it to him.
Guest:And it's, you know, removing the fact that it's a lot of, like, fake penises and boobs and immature comedy intentionally.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's a serious conversation that I have with him, and it's...
Marc:It's a serious conversation about poop, farts.
Marc:How many veins, how many poops.
Guest:Should it be poop or should it be snot?
Marc:How many veins on the cock?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I didn't realize you were dealing with cocks.
Marc:There's cocks?
Marc:There's cocks.
Marc:Really?
Marc:There's cocks.
Marc:Is it your cock generally?
Marc:No.
Marc:And it's just a cock?
Marc:I do cocks.
Marc:Wait, cocks with the goblins?
Guest:Goblin cock?
Guest:Sometimes goblin cocks.
Guest:There is a monster goblin cock.
Guest:That acts on its own without being connected to a goblin?
Marc:Correct.
Marc:It walks on its balls.
Marc:It's a free range cock.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:It doesn't need to be part of anybody else.
Guest:My introduction to this with you at the beginning is cocks and poops and pussies and balls.
Marc:We can talk pussy.
Guest:We didn't talk.
Guest:We mentioned.
Guest:Last episode, my guest, Sona Matsoufian, said, get out of here, is an expression.
Guest:So I snapped and I disappeared and I made a production out of it.
Guest:She snapped me back and we showed where I was and I was inside of a big vagina.
Marc:So you had the guy in England do the big vagina illustration?
Guest:Yeah, and then we give notes.
Guest:Could we make the walls move?
Guest:Could we have some goblin sperm going through?
Marc:From the big cock?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Well, I mean, I did your show because you were... Did you annoy me into it?
Marc:I can't remember.
Marc:How many times did you... Was it a pestering situation?
Guest:No, no, I did it.
Guest:I...
Marc:it was a slow play it was yeah i asked you once oh you asked me once yeah i asked you once right and then you said what about it uh well you shit on me and then i and then i uh gave it a year and i said hey uh will you come do my podcast wait wait wait you asked me to do the podcast i shit on you and then you wait a year no no no you shit on me first no i know i we can do the backstory because i i don't think people know you know how we know each other
Marc:How do you explain it?
Marc:Because this is my show and I'm interviewing you.
Marc:So I'd like to hear your angle.
Marc:I mean, we might have done this on your podcast, but I think we don't share a lot of listeners.
Marc:So how did you experience our first interaction?
Guest:Could I ask you a question first?
Guest:Do you have to go to the bathroom?
Guest:No.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:This is both me on your podcast, speaking to an audience, but also you, an interviewer.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I'm feeling like, not defensive, but I'm feeling like I have sold a very niche, ironic brand of comedy in
Guest:as my introduction as this immature, which is fine, because it is definitely part of me.
Marc:It's all going to work out.
Marc:don't worry we got time you know we're gonna we're gonna ease into it but until you said that i didn't even realize i was worried about yeah that's what's happening and there's a worry i would i think i'm trying to understand something i'm just worried you're a highly sophisticated multi very deep multi-dimensional uh jewish man here's where i would animate just big goblin dicks walking between us so why is that then
Marc:Why do you temper it like that?
Marc:Dynamics.
Marc:Is it dynamics?
Marc:Yeah, it really is.
Marc:Are you afraid to be sincere?
Marc:No.
Guest:No, I seek it.
Marc:Are you afraid that people are not going to watch it if you don't counter the sincerity with goblin dicks and being in a vagina?
Guest:If there was a fear, and I don't know if fear is the right word, but let's say it is.
Guest:It's less about people won't watch it and more about if they do, will they...
Guest:I'm insecure about making stuff that isn't special.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:Oh, because you're special?
Guest:I want to think so.
Guest:Yeah, I want to think so.
Marc:I think you do want to think you are special.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:That's not a burn at all.
Guest:You're just validating the truth, which is, you know, we all can be at times, and you just try to find your niche so you are more often than not.
Marc:So would you call it a... Is it a branding quest that you're...
Marc:Looking for or authenticity.
Marc:Do you think that if you were true to yourself in the most honest way that you would be special?
Marc:Or is that not even enough?
Guest:Yeah, I think that if I'm true to myself, I am special.
Guest:And the penises are true to me.
Guest:Goblin penises.
Guest:What they stand for, just being able to cut serious moments with comedy and be able to have sincerity and honest moments.
Guest:It goes both ways.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:And by just having that as a device, it ended up becoming that, a device where I now seek times to use it.
Guest:But you get excited.
Marc:Sometimes you're like, I probably shouldn't use it, but I need some dicks here.
Guest:I've never thought I shouldn't use it and didn't use it unless it was a budget issue.
Marc:But I mean, do you think I'm asking to you, are there any gratuitous Goblin Cox in any of the work?
Marc:Yes.
Guest:But but but there's but but, you know, I'm not saying it's the richest of context, but there's always a reason for it.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:That you know.
Guest:Well, like right now, if we had already set this up and this is my podcast, I'm having a goblin cock come in, but he's now wearing a tuxedo and it's not gratuitous.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then you get to build this world like a Quahog or a South Park.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Around the interview.
Marc:Much to the person you're talking to has no idea that they may be fucked in the ear by a goblin.
Marc:That's where sometimes it gets tricky.
Marc:Really?
Marc:Have you had pushback?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's less about what the animation is and more about the fact that I'm live editing and I'm asking people to do stuff.
Guest:So you're taking them out of context in a way.
Guest:I'm taking them out of context.
Guest:I'm willing to explain it to them, but I prefer if they just trust where it's going to go.
Marc:I thought ours went really smooth.
Marc:I played along and it was almost like we were a comedy team.
Guest:Are you being serious?
Guest:Because I do feel that way.
Marc:No, I feel that way.
Guest:Yeah, there's something really pretty about having somebody come over because you and I didn't know each other well at all.
Marc:No.
Marc:Matter of fact, I was skeptical of everything about you.
Guest:Yeah, and I feared your skepticism.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I, I, I, I wanted you there and also questioned why you came.
Marc:Well, I mean, cause you were, well, what do you mean?
Marc:You asked me and you seem to want me to come.
Marc:I don't know why I came.
Marc:Cause you're charming.
Guest:Casual gratuitous.
Marc:You're charming.
Marc:Casual gratuitous.
Marc:Oh, you would put one in there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was a, let's, we got to move past.
Guest:That was just a casual come joke.
Guest:Oh, I see.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Got it.
Guest:But that would have been animated?
Guest:No, at this point.
Guest:Do you have cumming Goblin Cox?
Guest:There has been.
Guest:There has.
Guest:Yeah, I don't show the cum.
Marc:Oh, is that where you draw the line?
Guest:It's where Tom doesn't draw the line.
Guest:Please, let's move past this because it's.
Marc:No, I think people need to know.
Marc:No, I think that this will people be like, what is this show?
Marc:We haven't even said the name of it.
Marc:This is a great build.
Marc:What's it called?
Marc:It's called Take Your Shoes Off.
Marc:And that's a real thing because you're like a fucking weirdo and you won't let people in your house without.
Marc:I guess that's not that weird.
Guest:Yeah, I would say that though- Most people.
Guest:I subscribe to being weird.
Guest:I don't think that taking your shoes off is that.
Guest:I think it's weird to track shit, piss, and cum through your carpet.
Marc:Cigarette butts.
Marc:My cat walks around on my food counter.
Marc:Where do you stand with that?
Guest:I grew up with cats.
Guest:So you don't have a problem with it?
Guest:I've accepted that that's how people live their life.
Guest:When I go home, that's how it is.
Guest:They're cats on the food counter?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I just don't use the food counter the same way I do at my house.
Guest:Which is what you lick it off the counter?
Marc:You eat right off the counter?
Guest:No.
Guest:I like to make big portions.
Guest:And I'll leave stuff out on the counter and I'll go back to it during the day.
Guest:Like you have a buffet going at your house most of the day?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I like to make things that have different sauces and different toppings.
Guest:Yeah, I never thought of it that way, but it's a buffet, an eaten buffet.
Guest:And a cat is just like having a roommate.
Guest:I just don't want to leave stuff out.
Guest:I don't have a roommate.
Marc:My cat wouldn't eat anything.
Marc:He wouldn't eat anything I left out on the counter.
Marc:He'll lick a piece of fish occasionally, but he doesn't eat much.
Marc:What's the difference between eating and licking?
Marc:Well, I guess that's true.
Marc:I'm more concerned about the cat than I am with me.
Marc:I mean, you're going to cook it.
Marc:Well, that's not true, actually.
Marc:There's some bad shit in cat mouths.
Marc:My cat bit me, and I had a catch in it, an infection, before it possibly killed me.
Marc:Are you okay?
Marc:Yeah, but I had to take antibiotics.
Marc:He bit me because he got stuck in the blind cord.
Marc:And instead of just cutting it, I tried to untangle him and he was panicking.
Marc:So he bit me for real.
Marc:And I washed it and everything.
Marc:But cat bites, I don't know if you know, they have some serious fucking germs in them.
Marc:And you can get this infection that goes through all of your skin.
Marc:I didn't know.
Marc:And it started to happen.
Marc:I was on IG Live, and people were like, you should get that looked at.
Marc:It was red, and I went to my doctor, and she was like, you got this in time.
Marc:This could have been bad.
Marc:My cat could have fucking killed me, compromised my life.
Guest:Well, it's less a counter problem and more a blinds problem, I guess.
Guest:That is a blinds problem, but next time I'll just...
Guest:Cut the cord.
Guest:Yeah, I was just going to ask, do you feel that that's kind of a microcosm of your personality where instead of just taking the easy route, you want to untangle everything and get your hands dirty?
Marc:No, I don't think that.
Marc:I think that's an interesting metaphor that you tried to make.
Marc:Thank you.
Marc:We'll be right back after a word.
Marc:Wait, this is mine.
Marc:This is my show.
Marc:No.
Marc:Can we edit it in here?
Guest:Edit what in?
Guest:My dad's rock story?
Guest:No.
No.
Guest:And we're back.
Guest:That's Marshall Rug Gallery in Cleveland, Ohio.
Marc:Did you slip?
Marc:Did you think you were on your show?
Guest:No, I just felt good with you, and I figured we could plug my dad's rug store.
Guest:Maybe we'll throw it in there.
Marc:Have you brought him customers?
Guest:He sold a few rugs.
Guest:I know at least a few rugs, but not enough.
Guest:I do commercials for him in every episode.
Marc:You're a Cleveland Jew?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So where were we?
Marc:Oh, no, that is not a microcosm.
Marc:It was impulsive for me to untangle him.
Marc:I didn't think to cut it.
Marc:Like, he was panicking, and in that moment, my brain was like, it's because he's tangled, untangle.
Marc:It didn't go the next step to, like, he's going to bite you and possibly infect your hand.
Marc:Perhaps let him fucking squirm for a minute more and go find a scissor to cut the cord.
Marc:Well, that's what I'm saying.
Marc:Yeah, but I don't think that means...
Marc:that it's a general disposition of mine to untangle.
Marc:I'd rather not untangle.
Marc:Why are we doing this right now, then?
Marc:Why are we untangling you?
Marc:This.
Marc:What do you mean?
Marc:I feel like we're untangling.
Marc:I'm an untangler.
Marc:You're an untangler.
Marc:I like an untangle.
Marc:I lose patience with it.
Marc:Everything gets tangled, and if I were an untangler...
Marc:It's almost like a hobby.
Marc:I used to do a bit about it, I think, about how there's so many chords in our lives, chords, literal chords, that are constantly getting tangled up and fucked up.
Marc:So is constantly untangling chords the same as doing Sudoku?
Marc:Am I getting equal amount of mental dexterity from the act of untangling the chords in my life as I would if I were playing a game with boxes that I don't understand?
Guest:Well, I think the difference is Sudoku always comes to you intentionally tangled.
Marc:So the spontaneity of it diminishes the mental agility exercise of untangling?
Guest:Well, there's a mental agility of it, which I'm disregarding.
Guest:I'm just talking about having a clean life.
Guest:When you untangle something, it's now untangled.
Guest:And also when you untangle something, you get better at untangling.
Guest:Kind of.
Guest:So it's not like every day you wake up and you have to clean the same mess over and over again.
Guest:No, but there's always knots.
Guest:And that brings us to my next point.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You want to do another rug at?
Marc:I'd rather not.
Marc:So Take Your Shoes Off is with Rick Glassman.
Marc:I've seen bits and pieces that you put up on Instagram of your family.
Marc:And it seems that you grew up with some fairly not run of the mill, but not unusual to me, middle class Jewish maniacs.
Guest:Is that right?
Guest:Yeah, I mean, they weren't not unusual to me either.
Marc:No, but I mean, as a Jew who's dealt with Jews of a certain ilk, your family seems to fit some of that.
Marc:You know, they actually, they strike me as more kind of like pre-retirement Florida Jews, which is interesting.
Guest:PRFJs?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I don't have Florida retirement Jews in my family, so I don't really, I know the cliche, I don't know what those are.
Marc:Well, I just mean, it seems like they have a good time, they enjoy sports, there's a lot of them around.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It feels like there's a lot of them.
Guest:Right now in Cleveland, there's four of them.
Guest:Four?
Guest:Mom, dad, grandma, and uncle.
Guest:The rest are out in L.A.
Marc:You got Glassman Jews out here?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Who?
Guest:I got my aunt.
Guest:I got my brother.
Guest:I have three cousins.
Guest:Your aunt's out here?
Guest:My dad's sister moved out here before I did.
Guest:To do what?
Guest:uh get out of there i guess uh she and uh my uncle paul who passed away a couple years ago uh they're in the business and they were in show business my uncle is a writer um he just wrote no he passed away uh about about two years ago coming up sorry buddy thank you um his last how young young uh late 60s oh it's terrible
Guest:He and his writing partner, Danny Bilson, just did The Five Bloods with Spike Lee.
Guest:Glassman and Bilson?
Guest:No, he's DeMeo.
Guest:DeMeo.
Guest:Paul DeMeo.
Marc:DeMeo and Bilson.
Marc:DeMeo and Bilson.
Guest:Wrote Five.
Guest:The Five Bloods and a lot of stuff.
Guest:The Rocketeer, a lot of cool stuff.
Guest:The Rocketeer, I kind of remember that.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It was a kid's movie, right?
Marc:Was Dennis Quaid in that?
Marc:Was it about a-
Guest:It was like the Rocketeer is like a 30s Iron Man.
Marc:Oh, right.
Marc:Oh, so it was actually a superhero movie.
Marc:It wasn't based like on a kid's dream or something.
Guest:I don't know the origins.
Guest:It was an old comic book.
Marc:I know that, but I thought that the movie was about a kid who liked the Rocketeer or something.
Guest:No, it's about a guy who becomes a rocketeer.
Marc:Oh.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Who was it?
Marc:I don't remember the actor's name.
Guest:Was it Dennis Quaid?
Guest:No, it wasn't.
Guest:It wasn't?
Guest:No.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:But he became the rocketeer and his arms are tired.
Marc:His arms are tired.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I'm sorry.
Marc:I stepped on that because it probably would have got a huge laugh.
Guest:Cut to the people listening.
Marc:So wait.
Marc:So how many?
Marc:You got one brother?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's it?
Guest:One brother.
Guest:Older?
Guest:Older.
Guest:He's out here.
Guest:You're a younger brother.
Guest:I'm a younger brother.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Does that explain a lot about who you are?
Guest:Yeah, probably.
Guest:That's one thing I haven't really untangled.
Guest:You haven't?
Guest:Some things feel too cliche to look into.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Like what?
Guest:Being a Jew?
Marc:I don't know.
Guest:The way you just said that felt anti-Semitic.
Guest:Being a Jew, you had your coffee ready for a sip take after Joe.
Marc:What were you listening to when you drove?
Marc:It wasn't Barry Manilow, was it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Good ear.
Guest:What?
Marc:Why would you do that?
Guest:I have a mix on my phone that is just... When I get... I work out or I try to... Whenever I'm trying to... None of this.
Marc:None of what you're saying right now is explaining Barry Manuel yet.
Guest:I misunderstood the question.
Guest:I thought you asked...
Guest:If I work out.
Guest:Anything I do that I listen to music to get prepared for, I listen to soft music.
Guest:I work out to soft music.
Guest:I go to sleep to soft music.
Guest:I come over here to soft music.
Guest:And boy, are my arms tired.
Marc:There.
Marc:So you got it out that time.
Guest:The guy who was coughing before goes, that's actually pretty good.
Marc:Yeah, it's pretty good.
Marc:Doesn't make sense this time.
Marc:So Barry Manilow, something you grew up with?
Guest:No, just soft music, man.
Guest:Stop it.
Guest:man how do you how do you know about barry metal what are you 12 how old are you uh thank you um i'm 34 36 really yeah that's getting getting up there yeah uh whenever i hear something that is soft when i hear something that's soft i shazam it yeah yeah really so what else is in your mix uh just we animate now just this flaccid dick that i'm shazamming
Guest:And I know in the moment it's not going to be worth it.
Guest:It's going to cost me a little extra money.
Guest:To make the dick?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:We're not even doing video, which is interesting that you're still thinking dicks.
Guest:How do you blend when you're talking to somebody the difference between an interview and a conversation?
Guest:I mean, I know the differences.
Guest:I just listened to, by the way, and if we don't talk about it here, I want to talk to you about it either off a podcast or on mine.
Marc:You did some prep or...
Guest:I don't know if it was prep.
Guest:I just happened to listen to your Larry King interview.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:And, man, does that... I mean, I didn't know you very well.
Guest:Maybe we should talk about how we met, but I didn't know you very well.
Guest:I knew you as a personality.
Guest:When I came to your house?
Guest:Before you came to my house.
Guest:Oh, right, yeah.
Guest:And then after you came over, and I'm feeling my eyes getting water even talking about it, I...
Guest:I liked you in that hour and a half that we spent.
Guest:Expectations weren't met, and I didn't realize the expectations I had of you, which was just a grouchy guy, which exists.
Guest:I guess it's part of the Jewish cliche.
Guest:But the amount that you played with me and did the snaps and the edits, and we never talked about it before, really.
Guest:And then I just liked you so much.
Guest:And I listened to your podcast since differently, which is...
Guest:I mean, I guess it makes sense, but just, like, as a person, as a human, as opposed to just, like, this two-dimensional thing that I don't quite know yet.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And listening to... And you know it was older.
Guest:It was 2013, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But listening to you going to his door and just... It's a game over at this point.
Guest:Right.
Right.
Guest:And then you went through it and then you you you get whether whether it's true or not, you were able to continue the conversation.
Guest:Then he seemed to forget about it for a minute for a minute is really inspiring because it doesn't I don't I don't leave that discomfort that quickly.
Guest:And what made you record at the door before?
Marc:Well, I used to do when when I did those ones externally, when I when I would be traveling, there was sort of a precedent set.
Marc:Like I would sometimes do the intros in the car driving like to the Robin Williams episode.
Marc:There were there were actually a couple of early episodes that we did in the car.
Marc:Like I interviewed Maria Bamford driving.
Marc:Mm hmm.
Marc:So it wasn't that unusual at that time for me to make the intro happen in real time.
Marc:I never knew if we'd use it or not, but it turned out to be kind of interesting.
Marc:But I know what you're saying.
Marc:And I think that what you're it's I still want to connect.
Marc:I mean, there's only been a couple of times where I've remained defensive.
Marc:Like what what could have happened is he said, you know, he was being a dick.
Marc:And then I would have just sort of surrendered to that.
Marc:So once I think once like anything else, when that happens is once if the conversation starts to unfold, then it goes away.
Marc:You know, but if he was going to be like, what?
Marc:No.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Good.
Marc:Then it would have been a problem.
Marc:But somehow I charmed him enough.
Marc:I've relaxed him enough.
Marc:And he did the thing.
Marc:I think people seem to like that.
Marc:It was a great interview.
Guest:So Cleveland, how Julie were you in Cleveland?
Guest:I didn't know how Jew I was until I went to college.
Marc:But you grew up, you're 36.
Marc:How old is your brother?
Marc:About to be 39.
Marc:So you have the exact same distance between you two as me and my brother.
Marc:Maybe that has something to do with why we get along.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:My brother's two and a half years younger than me.
Guest:Interesting, because my brother and I, I guess we get along fine now, but we didn't get along.
Guest:Really?
Guest:No.
Guest:Why is he?
Guest:What's the primary difference?
Guest:Is it tastes?
Guest:I'm feeling myself do something that I don't want to be, but I don't know.
Guest:Don't be mean.
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:I don't know how much I feel comfortable.
Guest:Talking about that?
Guest:Not because it's secretive, but because it's a longer conversation, and I don't want to paint anybody in a picture that's negative because I remember things the way I remember them, but I also, looking back, understand my perspective as a kid isn't necessarily taking into consideration of his perspective.
Guest:But I could just, in a simple way, I could just tell you from my feelings as a kid, I was, you know, I'm definitely being defensive here.
Guest:That's right.
Yeah.
Guest:you know it's a big brother little brother thing but i i i was i was scared a lot and bullied and by him you know the the fear comes from part of that but um i had still do but i had some very serious ocd as a kid yeah um not just in my rituals but also in the in the things that felt still today logical of just keeping things a certain way and sure and share you know basically he he was a cat on my countertops uh
Guest:Oh, right.
Guest:And my whole life was a countertop.
Guest:He was chaos?
Guest:He was chaos.
Marc:And you were cleanup.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I took on that role, I guess.
Guest:He's a brilliant... He truly is... I know people say that about their family, but maybe I have a bias.
Guest:I think he's the smartest person I've ever met.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:Is he in the business?
Guest:No.
Guest:He has restaurants... In Cleveland?
Guest:No, here.
Guest:Have you ever been to the Greyhound?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Over in Highland Park?
Guest:It's Highland Park in Glendale in...
Guest:Yeah, I remember when they opened that.
Marc:That's your guy?
Marc:That's your brother?
Guest:Pizza.
Guest:Yeah, they do pizza, burgers, cornbread.
Guest:It's just, I remember cornbread.
Guest:My father was in the restaurant business growing up and his- No kidding, I like cornbread.
Guest:This is the best cornbread.
Guest:Yeah, I want to brag.
Guest:My dad used to do rib cook-offs and cornbread and Michael Jordan and Isaiah Thomas and Lambeer, they all came and loved his cornbread.
Marc:Was your dad a well-known pit master?
Marc:What's a pit master?
Guest:Oh, no.
Guest:Pitmaster is like a barbecue pit, right?
Marc:Were there pitmasters back in the- I mean, I think that's just a name for a guy that uses a barbecue like I have.
Marc:Like a smoker.
Marc:Did he have a smoker?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, it was a sports bar and grill.
Guest:It was a big barbecue truck.
Marc:He had a smoker?
Marc:Oh, so he had a real barbecue joint.
Marc:Ribs and cornbread.
Marc:Ribs and cornbread.
Marc:So I think, theoretically, you could be a pitmaster if you're legit doing ribs.
Guest:Yeah, I'll tell you, right now he's more than a pit master.
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Marc:My brother's younger, but he was a jock and I wasn't.
Marc:And his whole life was about tennis.
Marc:Like literally his entire childhood was about tennis.
Marc:And him and I were so different in behavior.
Marc:But now we're like so like it's painful.
Guest:Why would painful?
Guest:That's just as a figure of speech.
Marc:You said we just like, well, no, I mean, it's like if you can feel each other that deeply, you know, like I know when he's going through something like I can hear it.
Marc:That's the weird thing about growing up in a family without boundaries is that you kind of get a sense pretty quickly.
Guest:That's a great way of explaining growing up in a middle-ish, I think I'm more upper middle, I don't want to lie to you, class Jewish family.
Guest:It's a lack of boundaries.
Guest:Sorry to cut you off, by the way.
Guest:I think it's great.
Marc:It's your show.
Marc:You think the lack of boundaries is great?
Guest:I think growing up in a place, I think it's a fine line.
Guest:I would equate it to getting antibodies.
Marc:Interesting.
Marc:Okay, I'll talk you through that, but it seemed like your parents are loud.
Guest:My mom is loud, but my mom is loud in a way where it works because she's so kind to where it's... Loud, kind?
Guest:I've gotten better over the years.
Guest:I came into some pretty big self-awareness almost four years ago now, but my loudness was very attention-seeking and aggressive without knowing it.
Guest:And my mom's loud is just wanting to help people and maybe they need to hear me.
Guest:So the boundary issue was my mom was my mom was loud, but everyone loved her, including my everyone in the family.
Guest:And my your dad, my dad is, you know, he sold cornbread in his in his jokes under under his breath.
Guest:All right.
Marc:But what's his what's his boundarylessness look like?
Guest:The boundary list is more, I guess it's my mom.
Marc:So everyone had to react to her.
Guest:You know, I'm figuring this out with you, so could I change and add to my answer?
Marc:Let me collect myself.
Marc:We'll be right back.
Marc:That's against the rules.
Marc:Yeah, I'll bend the rules this time.
Marc:Thank you.
Marc:You can change and add to your answer now.
Guest:Uh, cause I, yeah, you know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to define something when I really only could know it through my eyes from then.
Guest:So just trying to think of that as my brother would be, uh, my brother would, you know, I am the way I am and things needs to be a certain way and clean.
Guest:And my brother would be, uh, he played sports and he's outside in the mud, ironically enough, getting some antibodies and he would find a Mike and Ike in the dirt and eat it to get a laugh.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And he would come in and he'd have some dirt under the fingernails.
Guest:He's a boy.
Guest:He plays, you get dirty.
Marc:Yeah, sure.
Guest:Eat Mike and Ike's out of the dirt, sure.
Guest:Or maybe a Razzle or a Skittle.
Guest:But it was a Mike and Ike.
Guest:It was a Mike and Ike.
Guest:It was one of the two, at least.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:And we would have M&Ms on the counter as, like, decorative.
Guest:But people, you know, you eat M&Ms.
Guest:And my brother liked the way- Yes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My brother would like the way M&Ms feel going between his fingers.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:Because, you know, listen.
Guest:Feels good.
Guest:Yeah, it's like a waterfall.
Guest:Sure, something.
Guest:But they're not his waterfalls.
Guest:So my brother's got dirt in his fingers.
Guest:He's touching all the M&Ms.
Guest:He's eating out of the cereal.
Guest:He's eating on the chips.
Guest:And the cereal, too?
Guest:Yeah, cereal boxes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And digging for the prize, I bet.
Guest:Yeah, I guess.
Guest:I wasn't one who needed the prize, and I'm sorry if that was a joke you were making.
Guest:No one needs the prize, but you want to get it out.
Guest:I want to have cereal that doesn't have dirt in it.
Guest:So I'm now sitting on the couch, feeling like I'm forced to keep inventory and watch, and I started to only eat the cereals that my brother didn't like.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I felt like I didn't have control over the things I wanted because I was limited.
Guest:While I was building this resentment of watching my brother and...
Guest:I don't want to say bad stuff.
Guest:He's a kid.
Guest:He's a little boy.
Marc:It's brother stuff.
Marc:It's fine.
Guest:We share a bathroom.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Pisses on the towels.
Marc:He pissed on the towels?
Guest:The cat pissed on the towels if he left the towel down.
Marc:Oh, the cat pissed on the towels.
Marc:Your brother probably just pissed on the rim of the toilet, mostly.
Guest:If he even hit the toilet.
Guest:But I got to tell you something.
Guest:He's changed.
Guest:He got to check out the Greyhound.
Guest:It really is delicious and clean.
Guest:Yeah, I don't know why I'm uncomfortable about this.
Guest:It feels like I'm talking.
Guest:I am.
Guest:I'm literally talking about someone.
Marc:But I like the idea that you brought up about growing up in a boundaryless home gives you antibodies to what?
Marc:I'll tell you what.
Marc:I mean, I like the idea, and I'm just wondering if we can flesh it out a little bit.
Guest:Yeah, so much like germs, you could get too much and get sick of it.
Guest:You don't want to have no boundaries because then you need to learn them.
Guest:And I think that the only reason I any success I have in my life is because of the combination of of knowing that I have to stop somewhere.
Guest:But but being liquid with other people's boundaries.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know, when you come over.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:In a similar way, you said if Larry King acted a certain way, you would then have to mirror that.
Guest:But at the same time, it is your interview and you're in control.
Guest:And if you were to come over and I snap for you putting on a fake mustache and you're not into it and I don't recognize your boundary, it's game over.
Guest:But if I assume your boundary based on how I've been conditioned people's boundaries are, I wouldn't be able to push it that far.
Guest:So by being comfortable in testing boundaries and playing with boundaries and experimenting with them, you run the risk of stepping over them at times.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:But you also learn how to not stay so tight into what you think comfortable is.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Part of this awareness that I've come into that I'm super grateful for is making people uncomfortable and making myself uncomfortable.
Guest:It's an operational cost of doing what we do.
Guest:Um, but it's not about making people uncomfortable.
Guest:That is the problem.
Guest:In my opinion, it's about recognizing it fast enough and deciding why you're doing it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, well, right.
Marc:So you're, you're talking about standup in terms of what we do, but I think that I mean that very interpersonally.
Marc:Okay.
Okay.
Marc:But also stand up.
Marc:Like I'm tracking what you're saying specifically to stand up because stand up is something because I often try to figure out why exactly I chose that.
Marc:My childhood, really what I was trying to overcome and what terrified me more than anything was being embarrassed.
Marc:I didn't want to be embarrassed.
Marc:And my mother used to embarrass me.
Marc:I found my parents embarrassing.
Marc:And I always felt embarrassed.
Marc:And I was terrified of being embarrassed.
Marc:So somehow, and neither one of them had boundaries.
Marc:But it was different.
Marc:It wasn't so much yelling as much as it was emotional indecisiveness.
Marc:So it was kind of floaty.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:No discipline.
Marc:No real principles.
Marc:Not much guidance.
Marc:Everybody was just sort of, it was amoebic.
Marc:The family unit.
Guest:So you didn't know where where you were at any given moment emotionally.
Marc:Self wise.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So but there's something about the way you're talking about this immunity to figuring out because if you have no boundaries or you grow up in a fairly boundarious place, that means you probably get hurt often.
Marc:early on, right?
Marc:Because of the sensitivity of that.
Marc:And then all of a sudden you get reactive.
Marc:So either you're going to be defensive or hostile or preemptively defensive, right?
Marc:But conversely, it does enable you to absorb people in a different and more all-immersive way.
Marc:And once you get the hang of that, you can sort of dictate the
Marc:the intimacy of the situation quicker than most people and also have it be relatively inappropriate quicker than most people.
Marc:And then you have to navigate that.
Guest:Does that make sense?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Being inappropriate, making somebody uncomfortable, not being connected with somebody, there's only so much we control.
Guest:And I really believe it's more than most people think.
Guest:In terms of interpersonal relationships.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And it really comes down.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You can do it until the other person gets tired of it.
Marc:That could take years.
Guest:Well, yeah, I guess if they get tired of it, but people's feelings are heavily based on subconscious expectations or maybe conscious, but at the least expectations.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Mitigating expectations is the key to understanding somebody's boundaries because a true boundary isn't about expectation.
Guest:It's about where they feel safe and comfortable.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So sometimes they could be uncomfortable because an expectation is not being met.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I got a diagnosis four years ago that I had ASD level one, which is commonly known as Asperger syndrome.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Which is a funny word.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Asperger.
Guest:Animate a dick on an ass eating a burger.
Guest:Did you do that?
Guest:No.
Guest:Ah, interesting.
Guest:But if this were my podcast.
Guest:You just thought of that now?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, I've been sitting on it.
Guest:And after that diagnosis, I've learned a lot about, I had to go to, I don't know how much time we have if it's worth getting into, but I went to a lot of special classes, special schools.
Guest:Four years ago?
Guest:In grade school and high school.
Marc:Oh, so before you knew you were Asperger's 1.
Guest:I was diagnosed with a whole bunch of different things as a kid.
Guest:Like what?
Guest:The ADD, the ADHD, the OCD, learning disability, which isn't a specific diagnosis.
Marc:How did that manifest itself?
Marc:Because you must have been any of them.
Marc:Like, well, what was the symptoms of why were you seen as a problem?
Marc:What weren't you doing or what were you doing?
Guest:Well, hyperactive, asking a lot of questions, asking questions to where teachers thought I was making fun, not understanding.
Marc:So your earnestness was mistaken for sarcasm?
Guest:And I developed a sarcasm in a way to try and control how people see me.
Guest:If you're going to think that I'm not, let me at least try and make it funny.
Guest:Let me find new ways of asking questions or trying to explain myself until things work.
Guest:I never picked up on social cues.
Guest:I didn't know that I wasn't picking up on them.
Marc:But Asperger's different than autism, right?
Guest:Um, Asper, no, it's, so, uh, clinically they've, they've, uh, Asperger's is no longer a definition anymore.
Guest:It's Asperger, it's autism level one.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Uh, so ASD level one, two and three.
Guest:So Asperger's is level one.
Guest:Um, what's level two?
Guest:Uh, more challenges.
Guest:You hoping to get there or?
Guest:No.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:No.
Guest:Uh, can I try to untangle something?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What's the intention behind the joke of wanting to get there?
Marc:Oh, because it's like when you think of levels.
Guest:Oh, so like two is better than.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Gotcha.
Guest:It wasn't like then you'll have like a bigger niche to explore.
Marc:No, no, that was where you went with your insecurity.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Mine was a number joke.
Marc:You went deeper.
Yeah.
Guest:That's why, yeah, it wasn't insecurity.
Guest:I've talked about it on my podcast, maybe five of them.
Guest:I do get insecure talking about it because of what people's understanding or lack of, of what autism is.
Guest:And I find myself either becoming a spokesperson for something that I can't be or defending a diagnosis that has changed my life for the better because people think it is something that it's not necessarily.
Yeah.
Marc:I think like what's interesting to me is is that you've learned how to utilize and understand your your compulsive and also your earnest curiosity, which I think as a symptom, I imagine of of the autism would be overwhelming to some people.
Marc:But you understand it enough to be charming in it and also see the humor in it.
Marc:You have enough self-awareness around it that you don't feel uncomfortable with it and you can make it funny even.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's not only do I not feel uncomfortable with it.
Guest:When I got the diagnosis, it validated so many things of my past.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:If I had known that, I wouldn't have done that.
Guest:More so, this is why that, and it's not my fault and or I could understand how to improve upon it.
Guest:I've got to go apologize to some teachers.
Guest:And ask people who should apologize to me to come on my podcast.
Guest:But I bring that up because one of the things I learned was how much, and any neurotypical person I'm sure could relate to this.
Guest:We think something, so we assume the other person thinks it.
Guest:You are sharing the same point.
Guest:If I'm cold, you're cold.
Guest:If I'm feeling this isn't going well, you are.
Guest:And that's not true, though.
Guest:Of course, it's not true.
Guest:But I'm saying that mindset of not recognizing that there's other perspectives.
Guest:A common symptom of it is of autism is is challenging to adapt to certain situations and an inability or difficulty to recognize that people think differently than you.
Guest:It's why people get it's why they get frustrated so often or why they seem to lack empathy because.
Marc:Autistic people.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And one of the things that I've been, I guess maybe the biggest thing I've been focusing on and where this podcast has been such a blessing for me is being able to ask people, I mean, in a small way, asking you what was the intention behind that joke.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I would always ask questions like that, but it could seem aggressive if I were to say, what's your point?
Guest:What do you mean?
Guest:I'm always trying to understand.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So when I found these things out and then I was single and I was dating, I was able to make jokes, but they were very inspired.
Guest:I smoke weed and I like to smoke pot when you're on a date, especially if it's somebody who smokes.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And to be able to say to somebody preemptively.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I get a little goofy.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And sometimes I don't know when I go a little far.
Guest:So I'd like to ask of you, if you're ever feeling like this is a little bit too much and you don't know how to handle it, give me the benefit of the doubt and just like nudge me.
Marc:When did you decide that comedy was somehow the answer for you?
Guest:So I was telling you earlier I didn't know that I didn't right pick up on facial cues and I didn't Recognize people's hints.
Guest:Yeah, they would say not today Rick busy for two friends I would just think oh he can't today.
Guest:He's busy for three years, right?
Guest:But something I always did understand was a laugh I knew a laugh was comfortable because not only is it nice to get a laugh for the obvious reasons It was the it was one of the few times where I felt confident and being on the same page with somebody wasn't just with me making them laugh if we were laughing together and
Marc:That's why what did Harry Shurer say to me like the great thing the reason people do comedy is is you can control why people are laughing at you Mm-hmm.
Guest:I like that.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:Yeah, and then at a more specific level you could control You can control how people feel about you for a minute because even somebody who doesn't like you I'll laugh a minute Maybe maybe you can control it for like 10 15 seconds, and then you got to keep going Yeah, but the dopamine lasts longer than the laugh sure and put that on a minute then the then the door is open and
Marc:yeah got it and then that's why you keep doing it and you seek it and it's right it's it's a vicious cycle eventually people go like do you always have to be funny and then all of a sudden you're in a different conversation aren't you yeah do you always have to be on the one i get yeah oh yeah i i had i i i was shut down i was trampled by a couple of girlfriends way back with the the sort because like when you're a comic
Marc:It's your profession, so there's sort of like that weird black beltism to it.
Marc:Like, you know, I'm black belted getting laughs, but I can't use it in public.
Marc:I can only do it on stage professionally.
Marc:But I don't think it was funny, but I've had girlfriends early on who were like, why do you have to talk so much when we're out?
Marc:Why do you have to domineer the conversation?
Marc:It struck me.
Marc:What have you figured out since then?
Marc:Why do you have to?
Marc:I don't.
Marc:I stopped a long time ago.
Marc:I mean, I think the reason it stuck with me, it was correct.
Marc:And it really wasn't my nature.
Marc:It was overcompensating.
Marc:It's annoying when people do that.
Guest:Be careful of letting other people's definition of your identity
Guest:distinguish between the difference of overcompensating and just being and compensating.
Guest:Because she's not wrong, but she might be the wrong person.
Guest:That's a long time ago.
Guest:Well, I'll speak for me.
Guest:I appreciate the advice.
Guest:Well, you know, I have to find the difference.
Guest:When somebody thinks I'm being something that they don't like, they're not wrong, but it doesn't mean I don't like it.
Marc:It doesn't mean that it's not me or it's not you.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, it's like it could be as simple as like, well, you must not like me.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And that's okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Now get the fuck out of my house.
Guest:But how what is the what is the that was a little aggressive.
Guest:I apologize.
Marc:No, no, it's okay because it's hypothetical person.
Guest:Yeah, but how it's it's finding that difference.
Guest:It's knowing when to untangle of this person doesn't like this part of me, but this is who I am.
Guest:And do I like this who I am?
Marc:And also, is she right about what I'm doing right now or is this part of me?
Marc:Right.
Marc:Because sometimes when you're with somebody, you're doing something that isn't innately you because you're trying to accommodate them or charm them or impress them.
Guest:I get the most uncomfortable when I find myself doing that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's a big challenge of podcasting.
Guest:Sometimes that happens, at least for me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm proud to say for better and for worse, I am who I am most of the time.
Guest:But sometimes I find myself in a situation where I'm trying, either trying for the person, trying for the audience, trying for the post-production animation.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But when I'm not present and I'm trying something, I catch it.
Guest:That's when I get embarrassed.
Right.
Marc:Let's get out of the head for a minute and get into real life.
Marc:So we understand how you understood that you liked getting laughs.
Marc:So where'd you start doing comedy?
Marc:In Cleveland?
Marc:Cleveland, yeah.
Guest:Hilarities?
Guest:The first stand-ups that I did was at the Cleveland Improv, and I was doing improvisation theater as well.
Guest:Oh, you were part of a group.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Guest:I was part of theirs.
Guest:I don't know if they would have thought that.
Guest:I do remember feeling just like a lot of groups.
Guest:I felt like I was forcing my way in.
Marc:So wait, so they were a group and then they were improvising and you would just jump in?
Guest:They were a team and they held one.
Guest:What's that?
Guest:Two of them.
Guest:there was i don't know like eight oh big eight people one team sure and they had like they had practices every week yeah so their performance they had a performance every week and a practice every week the team did the performances there were more people and i was one of the one in the practice yeah and i would just you know show up and do some improv comedy yeah and uh but you like that i loved it yeah i did that was what i was doing for the first four or five years before stand-up took priority
Guest:And when did you start doing stand-up?
Guest:April, no, March 4th, 2007.
Marc:When did you start wearing the t-shirt about being a paid regular?
Guest:Oh, I'm not passed at the Comedy Store sweatshirt.
Guest:I made that over Thanksgiving.
Guest:Oh, recently?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Guest:Um, I'm not past at the comedy store was a conversation that happened on one of the episodes and then people would bring it up.
Guest:Why isn't he passed or whatever in nice ways?
Guest:It was, they were nice things, but it wasn't an identity of mine by any means.
Guest:Um, sort of a joke shirt.
Guest:Uh, yeah, but, but then it was like, uh, you know, everybody isn't passed somewhere.
Marc:Um, they have their hurdles or obstacles, but, but here in this town, the, the weird sort of like being passed at the comedy store, it's like the cellar.
Marc:It's like getting passed at the cellar in New York.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:There's two types of comedians.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Passed at the cellar, not passed.
Marc:Passed at the store, not passed.
Marc:Oh, you're passed?
Guest:Do you want to come do my podcast?
Guest:Hey, you should get Rick Glassman on it.
Guest:Is he passed at the store?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Is he funny?
Guest:I don't know what his status at the store is.
Guest:I think he does bringer shows.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:Yeah, there's a stigma.
Guest:There's a stigma to doing bringer shows, and then there's a stigma to not being passed.
Guest:But what about the alt scene?
Guest:You weren't part of the alt scene?
Guest:I don't know if I'm being hard on myself, but I don't know if I'm part of any scene.
Guest:I got on a television show a few years ago, and it was- How did he find you?
Guest:Who's he?
Guest:Bill.
Marc:The improv.
Marc:Bill Lawrence found you at the improv.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You were doing stand-up.
Marc:I was doing a Will Smith impression.
Marc:And this was like, for those people who don't know who I'm talking to, it's Rick Glassman.
Marc:I'm resetting like we're on radio.
Marc:Welcome back.
Marc:Rick Glassman is my guest.
Marc:And you might have known him.
Marc:He was on the show Undateable, which was on for three seasons.
Marc:Three seasons then canceled for reasons that a lot of people don't understand.
Guest:Cut to a clip of us just having a meltdown on set.
Guest:Just racist meltdown.
Guest:Yeah, Bill saw me on- Wait, a racist meltdown?
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I feel like if- Oh, I see, I see.
Marc:That's a joke.
Marc:That didn't really happen.
Guest:No.
Guest:Like, just to say, why would- No one knows why it got canceled.
Guest:Cut two, just- Oh, Jesus.
Marc:It got canceled for the reason everything gets canceled.
Marc:Not enough people were watching it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it was you and D'Elia and Funches and- Brent Morin.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Morin, yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Bill saw me.
Guest:I was doing some weird stuff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he said, I like how comfortable you are in uncomfortable moments.
Guest:And that's sort of your place.
Guest:That's your thing.
Guest:That's your hook.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Is that an anti-Semitic remark?
Marc:No, not at all.
Marc:I have nothing to do with your nose.
Marc:We have more to do with that's what you're known for.
Marc:Hey, man, I just made everything uncomfortable, but I'm going to sit in it for a while and make you guys love me.
Guest:Yeah, you know, that's where the podcast has helped me, is I never wanted to make people uncomfortable.
Guest:That's just a symptom of the joke.
Guest:Is that true, though?
Guest:Yeah, 100%.
Guest:I always want people to be in on it with me.
Guest:I just can't wink to them and say, hey, because then it doesn't work anymore.
Marc:Yeah, but that goes back to this sort of idea that everybody sort of knows where you're at.
Guest:That's why it's not a flawless art form.
Guest:They don't know where I'm at.
Guest:I have to find ways of showing them without telling them.
Marc:Dude, we're going to end up where you and I sort of first met.
Marc:That's where we're going to end up.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:With what we're talking about right now.
Guest:I don't know if it's the come down or just the conversation, but...
Guest:I don't know how I feel right now.
Marc:What's the matter?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I can't tell if I'm insecure about talking too much or not saying the right things.
Guest:Did the bottom just fall out on you?
Guest:It didn't fall out, but I'm realizing, oh, it's not cement.
Marc:Really?
Marc:Oh, no, no, no.
Marc:Everything's going good.
Marc:Don't, don't, don't, don't.
Marc:Ron Perlman.
Marc:I almost lost Ron Perlman on here.
Marc:He had a heart attack?
Marc:No, he just fell into an insecure hole for a minute and it was touch and go.
Guest:I don't know if this is an insecure.
Guest:I think this is just cost of doing business.
Guest:It's an energy thing.
Marc:Yeah, I don't know.
Marc:I'm not buying it.
Guest:Can I tell you where part of it comes from?
Guest:I'm aware of it.
Guest:What?
Guest:You just exhaled the same way my doctor did before he told me he doesn't like when I come in, by the way.
Guest:Let me tell you this quick story.
Marc:How often do you go in?
Guest:I ask a lot of questions.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:I would go to the doctor a lot.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I would get STD checks even if I hadn't had sex since the last time I got one because I was in the doctor's office.
Marc:Dude, I am a recovering hypochondriac.
Marc:I understand your plight.
Guest:I had shoulder surgery and I asked my doctor a question about my shoulder.
Guest:He's not my shoulder doctor, but he's a doctor and I'm there and I got some inflammation issues.
Guest:I got a question, doc.
Guest:And he goes, what you just did.
Guest:And I said, it seems like you don't really like when I come in here.
Guest:And he said, when I come to the door and I see your name is on the clipboard, I do take a breath.
Guest:And I said, I spend no more than 10 minutes at a time with you.
Guest:He goes, yeah, but there's too many questions.
Guest:A year later, I get this autism diagnosis.
Guest:I go back to him.
Guest:I'm basically twirling my watch.
Guest:Cocky.
Guest:hello doctor and guess what guess what i found out uh he apologized uh and he said that makes so much sense and since then i don't see this doctor anymore but i did for another year plus and he was so nice to me and he was talking to me about baseball i don't watch baseball i'm not interested in baseball basketball is your thing right yeah but i also basketball only but not so much to where your mother's football right my grandma oh that's your grandma is football my mom is andy griffith okay
Guest:But yeah, he was just so nice.
Guest:And there is a perfect luck.
Guest:Of course.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Um, of example of expectation where I'm the same guy asking the same questions, but now this guy thinks I'm, you know, whatever he thinks autism is.
Guest:So now he's like, Hey man, did you see the, the, the, I couldn't even think of a baseball, the Dodgers.
Guest:Like he likes numbers.
Marc:The autistic guys, he likes stats.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, just take my blood and tell me what I have going on with my dick.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Never had any STDs.
Guest:Did you?
Guest:I've had, you know, little things, little things here and there that, you know, nothing that a pill didn't take care of.
Guest:Oh, good.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Here's where we animate my dick from 2014, coughing, explaining this.
Guest:We have to understand it was a different time.
Marc:Yeah, sure.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But you're still with the girl who lives in England?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Is she in England?
Guest:She's in Australia now.
Guest:She's a dual citizen.
Guest:Her family lives in Australia.
Guest:And boy, I'm tired after she traveled.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:Because she had to fly there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Back to the guy who's like, no, it's working.
Marc:It's way back.
Marc:It's called back.
Marc:I get it, man.
Marc:These guys are pros.
Marc:When did you move here, though?
Guest:2008.
Guest:So you came out here to do comedy, kind of.
Guest:Came out of here to act.
Guest:I didn't know if it was comedy, but I had.
Marc:Had you done any acting training other than the improv group in Cleveland?
Guest:Yeah, I did theater in college.
Guest:You did?
Guest:Marketing and theater.
Guest:Marketing and theater.
Guest:So it's working out for you.
Guest:I'm on Mark Maron's What the Fuck podcast talking about acting.
Marc:Yeah, and you did a TV show.
Marc:And I got a show coming out later this year, too.
Marc:And now you're selling yourself with dicks and goblins.
Marc:Did you hear that I got a show coming out this year?
Marc:I'm just going to get to it.
Marc:I'm a pro.
Guest:So what's this show you have coming out?
Guest:writing down ask what the show um it's a jason katom show uh that uh he did uh parenthood and friday night lights oh he's brilliant yeah and there's an israeli show called on the spectrum yeah and uh they're remaking it for amazon i don't know if it's gonna be called on what's that about uh it's about a couple of football players who just fuck girls all day every day weird name for a show about that
Guest:It's three autistic roommates who are finding ways of learning how to live life independently with jobs.
Guest:Don't they have like a reality dating show for autistic?
Guest:Oh, man, yeah.
Guest:It's an Australian show called, I don't remember, something Spectrum, I think.
Guest:And why'd you go, oh, man?
Guest:Because it's a great show and I don't remember the name of it.
Marc:Oh, you like the show?
Marc:I loved it.
Marc:Why don't you get someone to get you the rights and you can host the American version?
Marc:I don't want to host it.
Marc:Okay?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Can we move past the hosting?
Marc:I'm just pitching.
Marc:I'm just pitching, man.
Marc:Ideas, man.
Marc:I'm worried about your career.
Marc:Are you?
Marc:No.
Marc:So what's the... What's the Spectrum show?
Guest:Did you already shoot it?
Guest:We filmed the pilot and we start filming the series in March.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:So you're going to be on an Amazon show called On the Spectrum.
Guest:They might change the name.
Guest:To what?
Guest:Footballing Chicks.
Guest:But who's the other actors?
Guest:Joe Montagna plays my dad.
Guest:I like that guy.
Guest:Sosie Bacon plays my caregiver.
Guest:And there's a few people that...
Guest:The other two autistic actors are, all three of us are somewhere on the spectrum.
Guest:And I don't really know them from before.
Guest:I don't know what type of experiences they have.
Guest:But I mean, what was the experience being with them, the three of you?
Guest:I talked to Jason when we were filming during one of the scenes about the same insecurity I told you about.
Guest:What are you looking at?
Marc:I just look at, I get hung up on levels.
Marc:No, no.
Marc:I get obsessed with like, I don't want it to pop to me.
Marc:I'm fine.
Marc:It's just a habit.
Marc:Sorry.
Marc:I'm with you.
Guest:I get distracted when someone looks away.
Guest:You talk to Jason.
Guest:I talk to Jason because I'm playing a character, but I was also chosen to,
Guest:cast yeah because of my life experiences yeah and how much do I bring who I am to this character versus how much am I taking on the character that they've written for me and there's a there's a line between the two where I feel I'm making assumptions that make me feel like am I being a spokesperson for this thing am I creating this character that is inauthentic and that's what acting is and you have to do the research for it and
Guest:But there's something, because this is still a relatively new diagnosis for me, where there is an insecurity and an identity to it, where I feel like I have to really understand it before I could... Because there's a really big responsibility.
Guest:This show is beautiful.
Guest:It's beautiful.
Guest:It's Jason Kadams.
Guest:It's one of the ones that you can probably cry at every episode at some point.
Guest:And it's also... I don't take on this responsibility, but the show has a responsibility of...
Guest:educating what this is and can be and some of the obstacles.
Guest:Destigmatizing.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And through that show, I then become.
Guest:I just did a classic Larry King.
Guest:What?
Guest:By packaging something?
Guest:The one word.
Guest:Destigmatizing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so I have this responsibility to be part of something and I don't want to lie, but also I'm playing a character.
Guest:Right.
Marc:It gets tough.
Marc:Well, maybe you should not think about it so much.
Guest:Yeah, there's a line between not thinking about versus not prepping and putting in the work, right?
Guest:I guess, but if you're doing a good job, does he think you're doing a good job?
Guest:Who's to say until he laughs?
Guest:I don't know how he feels, but he said I am.
Guest:And I connect with the character very strongly, so I think I am.
Marc:Well, I mean, how much of what you do is just weird kind of being hard on yourself?
Marc:and part of the issue.
Guest:I feel like your cadence forced the second part.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I mean, what's the difference?
Guest:You can make choices around being hard on yourself.
Guest:Maybe I'll get better at it, but I'm pretty comfortable knowing that it's not as... I am hard on myself sometimes, but I have accepted that this is going to sound so ridiculous, and I don't mean this as a joke.
Guest:I'm excited.
Guest:I have realized...
Guest:That I'm not perfect.
Guest:Wait, what?
Guest:I realize that people aren't perfect.
Guest:Wait.
Guest:It took me a while.
Guest:Come on.
Guest:Could you connect with me for a second and try to understand what I mean by that?
Guest:Because when you look at people, it's easier to accept other people's flaws because you've accepted them as opposed to your own where you're mad that you have them.
Guest:So when you've accepted somebody else's flaws, it doesn't take away from their perfection.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:When LeBron misses a shot, it doesn't mean he's not perfect.
Marc:That's part of what it is.
Marc:Yeah, because I don't accept anyone's flaws.
Marc:I'm always judging, and a lot of times I'm just sort of like, that's sad, and I hope that person's okay.
Guest:And that's why people are scared to have you over on their podcast for the first time, but then you prove them wrong.
Marc:Yeah, but it's just natural.
Marc:And then you just get to know the person as they are.
Marc:They're not perfect, but they are who they are.
Marc:What does perfect mean?
Marc:I just know I could be three pounds wider.
Guest:I think the closest to perfect means acceptance of who you are and a fair amount of awareness to recognize where you can change and if you can.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And also knowing your limitations.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So if I'm if I'm cast in a role where like this one where I feel it's built for me to shine.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My limitations are going to be a lot greater than if I'm on undateable where that's not necessarily my wheelhouse that character because it's a caricature.
Guest:It's a caricature.
Guest:It's limited.
Guest:It's very limited, both in attempts of jokes, the type of joke, and the role.
Marc:Yeah, you're a joke machine.
Guest:Yeah, and it was in a style that at the time, though I'm still not built for it, I didn't understand it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I felt like I'm used to driving to the hole, and then I got a job where I'm supposed to take screens.
Guest:And that's an important job, but I...
Guest:I wanted to do other things.
Marc:And this has more range to it.
Marc:It actually embraces your nature.
Guest:Yeah, and I've literally been spending four years researching it and understanding it and seeing these, I now have autistic friends, and I know autistic people, but I don't have autistic friends before this show.
Guest:That you know of.
Guest:That I know of, yeah, that talk about their experiences through the lens of autism and their obstacles and strengths.
Guest:And now I'm literally in a room with these people for hours talking about it and asking questions, and they're asking questions.
Guest:I love questions.
Guest:And finding patterns between our personalities and finding things that I realized, is this a Rick thing or is this an autism thing?
Guest:Are those different?
Guest:Does that matter?
Guest:That's great.
Guest:Is this a neurotypical thing?
Guest:Is this a Jewish thing?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it's just open.
Marc:And you're hoping that eventually you'll come out the other side of it going, I'm fully integrated.
Guest:What I want to come out the other side is believing something that is, whether it's real or not, which is I'm special.
Guest:Back to that thing again.
Guest:Like, a lot of the not being included and the negative experiences I had in my life, the special schools and such...
Guest:Didn't that make you feel special?
Guest:No.
Guest:It made me feel less than.
Guest:We're different.
Guest:Which you say you're- In a bad way.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Got it.
Guest:Where your fear and where you work to avoid is embarrassment.
Guest:Mine is not being good enough.
Guest:I mean, it's the same thing, but just a different place in our minds.
Guest:I have that too.
Guest:That's part of it.
Guest:This, I'm sorry.
Guest:It's okay.
Guest:You're doing great.
Guest:Thanks.
Guest:This diagnosis offered me a perception of all of those things were supposed to be.
Guest:And it's not that I'm not good enough.
Guest:It's that I have obstacles.
Guest:But, you know, I could do a lot of things great, too.
Guest:And that's where that perfect thing comes from, where all those shots I missed, I realized, oh, you're, you know, maybe you should be playing a different sport or it's okay to miss or whatever it might be.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So that's special, that feeling.
Guest:Or make light of it.
Yeah.
Marc:literally yeah yeah i mean i know enough about myself at this age to know that when i do this sort of self-hatred or expectations or perfectionist saying that it's ridiculous but there's something comforting about it because i've been doing it so fucking long because you you you uh procured a um a shtick like it's just it's even older than that it's it's really like you know kind of like home base yeah
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:Like joy is is weird to me because I don't know how to experience it.
Marc:So when I do experience and I'm like, this is weird and terrible.
Marc:And, you know, like even when I look good or I'm at a good weight or I'm healthy, I'm sort of like, I'm not good enough.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like, but I know it's bullshit and it doesn't matter.
Marc:Who am I judging?
Marc:I'm not even I'm not out in the world right now.
Marc:I'm not even doing television.
Marc:And I'm fucking beating myself up over four pounds.
Guest:You said something to me.
Guest:I texted you last week about coming back on my podcast to talk about embarrassment and how to get past certain feelings in a moment.
Guest:I did?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And you said something to me that I loved.
Guest:I was asking, I wanted to listen to some of your podcasts where you felt, coincidentally, as the Larry King one posted, where you felt...
Guest:embarrassed uncomfortable not in the pocket and tools to avoid and acknowledge and amongst some other text you said there's been many moments but who cares they're real and they're human and we all have them and though I knew that already it was articulated in a way packaged that was like yeah that's you yeah that's great you miss shots sure we had like nine during this conversation did we know you brought you brought attention to all of them I brought oh fuck yeah now ten yeah exactly
Guest:I also got to let you know, I feel great again with you.
Guest:It's cool to be here.
Guest:It's cool to be doing your podcast.
Guest:I knew it would come around.
Guest:And yeah, it did.
Marc:I had complete confidence that we were going to pull you out of that, whatever the fuck happened to it.
Marc:But...
Marc:But that was like when I first met you, this is my experience.
Marc:I know we've talked about it before.
Marc:I didn't really know you.
Marc:I knew you were on the show.
Marc:I had no idea that you were on the spectrum, but you didn't know you were on the spectrum when you did.
Marc:Yeah, I did.
Guest:Oh, no, no, no.
Guest:I did when I did stand up, but I wasn't talking about it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But but like what I did is I walked up to the belly room.
Marc:Sometimes I go up there in between my spots in the real rooms as a past person.
Guest:Were you feeling insecure there?
Guest:Were you bullying me?
Marc:No.
Marc:No, I'm just saying I went up to the belly room.
Guest:Which I do sometimes.
Marc:Which I do sometimes in between sets because I'm passed at the comedy store and I can do sets in the real rooms.
Marc:You passed at the cellar too?
Marc:I passed at the cellar.
Marc:It took me eight years though.
Marc:It took me a long time to pass at the cellar.
Guest:Yeah, well, I'm 12 and I used to answer phones there.
Marc:You used to the cellar?
Marc:At the store.
Marc:You used to answer phones there and you didn't get the... I answered phones there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Once Tommy got the boot, it was harder.
Marc:You were on the Tommy trajectory?
I was on the Tommy trajectory.
Marc:Anyway, so I go up to the bedroom.
Marc:I'm just being a dick.
Marc:And I see you and I kind of know you.
Marc:I hadn't seen your standup that I remembered.
Marc:And there you were with a bag.
Marc:And in my mind, I'm like, he's a bag guy.
Marc:He's got a bag.
Marc:I know there's an act in that bag.
Marc:And I prejudged.
Marc:And then you went up with your bag.
Marc:Well, a judge is a prejudge.
Marc:You judged.
Marc:So prejudge isn't a word?
No.
Guest:uh it's assumed it's it's what's the difference between prejudged and judged i feel like a prejudge is like putting a one in front of the x it works but i mean you can make a you can make a calculated judgment after you met me to assume you know more but it's still a judgment right okay fine so i judged based on the bag that you're gonna take things out of the bag for your stand-up routine you did that's more of a deduction
Marc:Fine, but no, because I don't have great feelings about bags.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Take my ex-wife.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Boom.
Guest:You have an ex-wife?
Guest:Who doesn't?
Guest:But let's carry on.
Guest:Do you?
Guest:Technically, no, but it's a space holder.
Guest:Okay, fine.
Guest:You were never married?
Guest:No.
Marc:So it was a joke?
Guest:Yeah, it was an arms-tired level joke.
Marc:I got it.
Marc:I figured.
Guest:Edit this part out.
Guest:Go on.
Guest:Just put in a Marshall Rudd commercial the last four minutes.
Marc:But then you go up with your bag and you start doing the bag bit.
Marc:You know, like here's a thing and here's another thing I'm putting a hat on.
Marc:I remember, then there's a puppet that you explained to me was from the Undateable show that you kept and you used in your act.
Marc:But to me, my problem was is like all these guys who do the bag routine, there's not a lot of them, but there have been- It's a tough act.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But there have been any generation has got the guys got the bag.
Guest:And any generation has the guy who sits down and he's upset and angry about the bag, about somebody that they prejudged.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:About everything.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's yeah.
Marc:It's much more common to have the guy who sits down.
Marc:He's angry than it is the bad guy, which my point is, is that because bad guys think they're special.
Marc:But my point in angry guys are upset that they're not.
Marc:Maybe.
Marc:No, I don't know if that's true.
Marc:I think angry guys think they have something to say.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:But the crank is, I was never really, some guys are natural cranks and they're funny.
Marc:You're not a natural crank?
Marc:It took me a long time.
Marc:I was actually angry, which is less entertaining.
Marc:But it's just speaking to your desire to be seen as special.
Marc:And I think that bad guys, going back to Kaufman or anybody, even Lenny Schultz,
Marc:But it's a different type of bad guy.
Marc:You're doing a conceptual bit.
Marc:You have a there's an intelligence to it.
Marc:You're not just a prop act.
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:In fact, I avoided props for a long time out of insecurity that you would be judged by me by but that I wouldn't be able to translate the the irony that you weren't doing props for real.
Guest:Well, listen, if you do props for real and you're good at it, more power to you.
Guest:That's not what my craft is, so I would be faking it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But there are so many funny things you could do with props because of the built-in expectations to props, the feeling you had.
Guest:Right.
Right.
Guest:And I didn't want to do it because then you got to travel with them and you become a prop guy.
Guest:But then I realized, what do I care if it gets a laugh?
Marc:But anyway, go on.
Marc:No, but then you went up and you did it.
Marc:And, you know, I was I think I went on and mocked you.
Marc:I'm sure your memory of this is crystal clear.
Marc:My memory of it is.
Marc:Yeah, go on.
Marc:But later, I did find... There was something I liked about you because you were earnest.
Marc:You liked about me from the set?
Marc:Yeah, but didn't I apologize to you?
Guest:The next day, and I still don't... Even after our podcast, I still don't know how you got my number or...
Guest:people have make fun of me all the time i have asperger's no i'm just kidding about the making fun because of that yeah um nobody has texted me and apologized the next day and it's almost as if you know it was stockholm syndrome it's not that but it's almost as if like you being mean and then apologizing after made you more likable than had you not done anything to begin with and
Guest:There's also something to the fact that when you were mean to me, I crushed that set.
Guest:I don't know if you remember.
Guest:And I don't crush that often.
Guest:If I'm doing eight minutes or less, I could do really well.
Guest:And I had a great set.
Guest:So I didn't feel that your judgments or prejudgments and your anger was... Based on you bombing.
Yeah.
Marc:yeah or me is or more specifically based on me as a performer it was me being an insecure dick trying to follow a mess and uh make the you know to take a shot at you on the way out so i could get my first laugh the first three i'm not sure it worked uh you did about you did probably five seven minutes on me in a less than 15 minute set and the first three minutes not only was i flattered it was funny yeah it was like
Guest:Because I just did well.
Guest:Now he's calling to attention the oddities so you could then set the stage for your different thing.
Guest:You're basically, it's just a tool of changing expectation again.
Guest:I'm not going to come up here and pull my dick out and have a puppet.
Guest:I'm going to sit on a chair and complain.
Guest:Did you put- No.
Guest:Did you pull your dick out?
Guest:No.
Guest:Did I complain?
Marc:I guess I complained.
Guest:Yeah, go ahead.
Guest:Here's Marc Maron.
Guest:He's, you know, he's a well-established... He's past the comedy store and the seller.
Guest:He's talking about me.
Guest:This is great.
Guest:Minute four, it's like, all right, Marc, let's... All right, now do your stuff, you know?
Guest:And then minute seven, it was like, all right, I don't know if he's riding the wave, but you were being a little... Mean?
Guest:Yeah, you were being mean.
Guest:My feelings weren't hurt, but I didn't understand what you were doing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I didn't go home sad.
Marc:I didn't think much of it.
Marc:I think it became a broader...
Guest:conversation about guys who do that that's it yeah right and that i think that also unlocked something for you which was you were making comedy associations and kind of like what you said here there's always you said i've been doing this for however long million years and you said uh there's always one of that right and that made me laugh because right that's funny and also oh there's only one of that exactly you know that's the point that that's what got us here is the specialness
Guest:Um, but then you texted me, uh, you apologized, you used too many big words and, uh,
Guest:And I thought that was really- You don't have that anymore in your phone?
Guest:They delete after a year.
Guest:But I have the screen grab somewhere.
Guest:That's okay.
Guest:And it's on my podcast, which if I'm plugging something else, watch our podcast.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:I do get messages about it often.
Guest:I tag you sometimes.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:How much people really like that one.
Guest:Yeah, that's a good one.
Guest:And they get to see you in a way that, like seeing you silly like that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Well, I felt bad because there's something about not carrying that stuff with me.
Marc:You know, I'm trying to figure out like why, you know, like.
Marc:I think I knew I went too far in a way, not that you would have would have mattered to you necessarily, but I just felt like I was it was just one of those things where I was just mean.
Marc:I was just being like a bully or something.
Guest:Yeah, it was to your credit.
Guest:It was obviously an act like you were you were trying to be funny.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And you were for most of it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You were funny enough for all of it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But yeah, I did get to a point to where it's like the intention behind it was, as you said, feeling insecure about.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know, whatever it might have been for you.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But had we ran into each other a month later and had a conversation in the hallway, there would have been nothing.
Guest:Nothing that you did would have made me be like squinting my eyes at you.
Guest:You know, it's just.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It happens all the time.
Marc:no but you would have it would have sort of uh implanted even deeper the idea that like oh yeah mark's a cranky fuck and you know he's going to come to my house he's going to be cranky and it's going to be i wouldn't have asked you to come on had you not sent me the message right um i wouldn't have felt that there was any connection between us not that there couldn't be but there wasn't one that's true so you know i just been reaching out because you have a successful podcast and will you help me bring numbers in or whatever the superficial reason that's that's the only reason i'm having you on
Guest:uh trying to get that youtube audience yeah um but like i said people shit on me all the time my friend it's part of you know part of what we do it's part of what we do and you have to acknowledge the room and you didn't do anything i didn't feel like you crossed a line you just stood on it a little longer than you needed to um and that's a performance note
Guest:And that's just a critique of like, when in doubt, just cap it at 180 seconds.
Guest:But that message to me was like, because also you didn't have my number, it wasn't just a, fuck, I got a message.
Guest:You had to ask somebody.
Guest:And it was the next day.
Guest:So you thought about it.
Guest:And I just thought that that was, forget you being mean or not mean or funny or funny enough, whatever it might be.
Marc:I think it was me waking up and thinking like, you know, I think you're too old to be threatened by a puppet.
Guest:Well, me being threatened by a puppet is the only reason I use one.
Guest:Let me ask you a question.
Guest:Now that our friendship is getting to the point to... My doctor.
Guest:Listen, I'm not a shoulder doctor, Rick.
Guest:I have autism, Mark.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:Do you like sports?
Guest:Go ahead.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:How do we piggyback your guests to then, on their way home, come over to do mine?
Marc:Oh, boy.
Marc:Well, I mean, no one's coming over anymore except for comics for some reason.
Marc:The only people that come over are comics of your generation.
Marc:Is that because you feel comfortable with them or they feel comfortable with you?
Marc:No, it's just they're willing to do it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:You know, I don't know.
Marc:Like, I've gotten to the point, like, if you have it, I probably got it.
Marc:If I got it, you probably have it.
Marc:But I feel we both safe enough.
Marc:But I was getting tested, like, every fucking two weeks for a while.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I definitely make assumptions based on people's, the projection I have of their lifestyle, whether or not I'm comfortable with that thing.
Marc:Yeah, I'm nervous all the time.
Marc:Anyways.
Guest:That's why I do mine on the balcony.
Guest:I have my guests on the balcony all the time.
Marc:I know.
Marc:I open the windows and we're safe.
Marc:We're separated and there's the glass here.
Marc:But who the fuck knows?
Marc:It'll be all right.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Oh, yes.
Marc:So, sure.
Marc:I will let people know that you do a podcast and it's on a balcony.
Marc:Why don't I just tell them to watch this show?
Marc:Yeah, but I'm not talking about your audience.
Marc:I'm talking about your guests.
Guest:No, I know.
Guest:I know.
Guest:Bring it up for the next-
Guest:What if you did a segment for the next, I don't know, for the rest of the year where you say- That's a long time.
Guest:January.
Guest:Until the end of 2022, whenever you want.
Marc:And you say something where it's like- Why don't you print up some cards for me and I can just hand them to the people.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:Like Rick Glassman, take your shoes off.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then make a little picture of you and a goblin cock in the balcony.
Marc:And say like, you know, if you want to talk to this guy, you think that will do it?
Guest:No.
Guest:I think it's a horrible sell.
Guest:And also I only had 45 seconds to do it before it becomes gratuitous.
Guest:So I'm going to just text you after and tell you how to get me Obama.
Guest:Good talking to you, buddy.
Guest:Thanks.
Guest:You too, man.
Marc:Rick Glassman, that was a lot of self-awareness around autism.
Marc:It turned out to be an educational, powerful talk, empowering and eye-opening, both to those of us who don't have autism and people who have autism.
Marc:It's sort of an inspirational story, the Rick Glassman story, which I'm writing right now.
Marc:All right, you guys, look, maybe it was a weird one.
Marc:Maybe it was.
Marc:Maybe I'm weird today.
Marc:But it's better than being sad, isn't it?
Marc:Weird is better than sad.
Marc:Now let's play some sad music.
Marc:Let's go down to the continent.
Marc:Okay?
Marc:God, when can we run again?
Marc:And I mean away.
Marc:Away.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Boomer lives.
Marc:La Fonda and Monkey.
Marc:Flying.
Marc:Flying.
Marc:Cat angels.
Marc:Cat angels everywhere.