Episode 1171 - David Cross
Marc:all right let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fuck nicks what's happening i'm mark maron this is my podcast wtf welcome to it
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Marc:If you already knew, that's what we did here.
Marc:Well, there you go.
Marc:Sorry.
Marc:You know, like, what am I doing?
Marc:What am I doing right now?
Marc:What am I even talking about right now?
Marc:Jesus Christ.
Marc:Tomorrow is like this.
Marc:It's like I'm beyond stress.
Marc:I'm post stress.
Marc:I'm post fear.
Marc:I'm post nervousness.
Marc:I'm in some sort of strange paralysis.
Marc:That feels like the present.
Marc:That feels like acceptance on some level.
Marc:I know what we're up against.
Marc:I know all the machinations of the garbage people and what they're going to try to do to steal the country, to destroy democracy.
Marc:I know all of that.
Marc:I know how the voting works.
Marc:I know what we're up against.
Marc:You know, in the next day or two or next week or next month, we'll know whether American democracy is over or we get new management.
Marc:And try to salvage what's left from the wreckage.
Marc:So either we'll get that opportunity with new management to salvage what's left of our institutions, our norms, our system of government.
Marc:We'll be able to salvage that with new management.
Marc:Perhaps take a responsible approach to this sickness that's leveling the global economy and destroying people.
Marc:Perhaps we'll get a chance to salvage that with new management.
Marc:new leadership, or else it will be sold as salvage by the current situation, by the garbage people and the grifters and the con men and the incompetent children put in charge of big bureaucracies that a lot of people depend on who give zero fucks about those people's lives.
Marc:Sold as salvage.
Marc:It's a fucking nightmare, but that's the precipice we're on.
Marc:And I don't know why I've arrived where I'm at today, the day before this election.
Marc:And go vote if you haven't, for fuck's sake.
Marc:And there's no excuse not to, really.
Marc:There's no principle you can sit on for that one.
Marc:Well, I'm not going to vote because shut up.
Marc:Before I get too caught up, let's lighten it up a little bit.
Marc:I made a cake.
Marc:Anyway, Dave Cross is on the show today.
Marc:Now, Dave's been on before.
Marc:Dave's an old friend of mine.
Marc:This is actually Dave's sixth time on the show.
Marc:He's been on two live ones, two in the garage, one on the phone.
Marc:But this is actually the first time we've talked to Dave in a while.
Marc:And he's in this new movie where I think he really puts the work in as an actor.
Marc:But more importantly, I saw him on TV.
Marc:I was just flipping around.
Marc:And I've talked a bit about this before.
Marc:I don't know if it's nostalgia or just taking stock.
Marc:of who we are by going over our past.
Marc:I was watching Dave Cross on TV on one of his specials, and there was just something so familiar about the way Dave talked and moved and thought.
Marc:You know, from back in the day, you know, we kind of started out together and it made me remember, made me feel, made me know that I came from someplace and that I arrived somewhere else.
Marc:When I showed up in Boston and I met all these dudes and, you know, I committed my life, my fucking heart to stand up comedy.
Marc:You become sort of this weird family.
Marc:It's not necessarily that supportive or whatever, but we were a crew of fucking gypsies and weirdos.
Marc:You know, bordering on outlaws.
Marc:Just trying to find our way in this goddamn racket and try to figure out who we were up there.
Marc:And, you know, he was part of that beginnings.
Marc:And he's one of the guys who I see and he's remained himself at his core in a way.
Marc:But I've seen him kind of grow up.
Marc:But whatever the fact is, whatever the case, the familiarity made me feel good.
Marc:It made me feel emotional.
Marc:It made me feel like I have memories and friends in the world that I can sort of be grateful for and be happy about.
Marc:And then it just came to be that Dave and I get to talk.
Marc:Got to talk.
Marc:He's got this new movie out.
Marc:It's called The Dark Divide.
Marc:It's playing in theaters and in virtual cinema.
Marc:You can go to darkdividefilm.com to find out the best way to see it based on a true story.
Marc:Talk to him about that and about other stuff.
Marc:But getting back to it, tomorrow, I don't know what to expect, but I'm going away.
Marc:Got somebody set up shop here at the house for a few days and watch my little Cat Buster.
Marc:And I'm going to just go up and isolate, really.
Marc:I'm going to isolate, try to disconnect until the 4th.
Marc:And by then it should be, everything should be on fire with no known winner.
Marc:And Trump declaring himself the winner.
Marc:And, you know, just flaming violence in every major city.
Marc:I'm kidding.
Marc:That can't happen.
Marc:What?
Marc:Can it?
Marc:We'll see.
Marc:But the truth is, I have to prepare.
Marc:I have to prepare.
Marc:And I guess this is how I framed it, sadly, that either we're going to get the new management or we're going to enter into a very dark authoritarian time.
Marc:An aggressively sort of kind of proud fascistic time of minority rule and chaos.
Marc:That has happened in many countries around the world.
Marc:Most countries have gone through it.
Marc:For some reason, we just didn't think it could happen here.
Marc:And now we know how fragile it all is, don't we?
Marc:And we'll see what happens.
Marc:I think there is a better outcome, obviously.
Marc:New management would be good, but it's going to be an uphill slog.
Marc:But the weird thing is, is we know who everybody is now.
Marc:Everybody knows who their neighbors are.
Marc:Everyone knows who their family is and where they stand.
Marc:Who are the people that crave fascism?
Marc:Who are the people that crave simplicity?
Marc:A kind of myopic...
Marc:Minimal spectrum of human expression.
Marc:Art, ethnicity.
Marc:Gender choices.
Marc:And it's interesting now to see who is who's jockeying for relevance in the possibility of authoritarianism.
Marc:What is the fascistic demographic?
Marc:Who's going to play to the fascist demographic?
Marc:Like, obviously, you talk about these bubbles and these bubbles are political and people are being misinformed by their bubble.
Marc:If you talk about the Fox News bubble, you can see the simplicity of it.
Marc:You can see the editorialization of it.
Marc:You can see them avoiding certain stories to feed a propaganda machine that engages and encourages American fascism.
Marc:You can see it.
Marc:And there's no follow-up.
Marc:When those people want to source their information, they go straight to the bullshit spigot and connect the dots land of random conspiracy theories.
Marc:So that's that.
Marc:There's your demographic.
Marc:Who are the entertainers in that future?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:A few country artists.
Marc:A couple of podcasters that we know.
Marc:A few comics.
Marc:Kanye.
Marc:But whatever it is, the fascistic demographic will will exist and be marketed to.
Marc:That's how capitalism is going to survive.
Marc:Hopefully it will not be the form of government.
Marc:We'd be better off if it just becomes a demographic of sorts.
Marc:As opposed to the replacement of democracy.
Marc:I don't know, man.
Marc:I just don't know.
Marc:Do you?
Marc:You know, I made a cake the other day.
Marc:I told you about the failed Kentucky butter cake, but it's just in my mind.
Marc:It's just the way I am.
Marc:I'm like, I got to fucking master this.
Marc:So I went at it again, and I made a beautiful Kentucky butter cake.
Marc:Whatever that is.
Marc:Powdered sugar on top.
Marc:Had some nice slices.
Marc:Gave my friend Kip part of it.
Marc:Gave my neighbor a couple slices.
Marc:Gave my therapist a slice.
Marc:Still had many slices left.
Marc:Three days in, I finally threw the remaining three slices away.
Marc:Because nobody wants three-day-old cake.
Marc:And I already eaten like half of it.
Marc:Not to mention I'm sitting on a trove of fucking Halloween candy.
Marc:nobody came out for halloween i guess they in la they said you couldn't i didn't even know that and i already bought the goddamn candy i was out in the street chasing kids down the two or three that were out there with their parents i had to go out in front you know at the end of my my sidewalk and look around and go like you want candy i got candy i got candy over here who wants the candy
Marc:Some people know costumes.
Marc:So one kid walking around dressed as a cop had a weird moment where I thought he was dressed as an ICE agent.
Marc:But it wasn't.
Marc:It was just a cop and he had a whistle.
Marc:It must have been for this kid.
Marc:Didn't even know what he was doing.
Marc:Just blowing on the whistle with his mom walking him around.
Marc:Gave him some candy and I gave a teenage mutant ninja some candy and a couple of witchy looking girls a little bit of candy with their folks and
Marc:Everybody's wearing masks.
Marc:I'm not wearing the scary mask or maybe I'm wearing the scariest mask of all.
Marc:The mask of hopelessness in the face of plague.
Marc:What'd you go as?
Marc:A frightened middle-aged man who can't see the future clearly anymore and is battling with hope and existential despair.
Marc:Wow, that's scary.
Marc:I know.
Marc:And all it took is just a little mask and I was able to pull it off.
Marc:So now I got a bunch of that candy.
Marc:Cake's gone, though.
Marc:I'm going to go away for a few days and see if I can do that.
Marc:It's weird.
Marc:I'm going myself, but I'm going myself.
Marc:Dave Cross is an old friend and I was happy to talk to him.
Marc:His new movie, The Dark Divide, is now playing in theaters and virtual cinema.
Marc:You can go to darkdividefilm.com to find the best way to see it.
Marc:We also talk about how we're both playing Jerry Wexler in two different Aretha Franklin projects.
Marc:And, uh, also we tried this new thing where we sent Dave a microphone that he could use.
Marc:Um, it's pretty easy to use.
Marc:And, uh, we're trying to get the sound quality up a bit and we sent him the microphone and we spent 15 minutes trying to, uh, help him set it up, which was, uh, as you know, Dave, how is that not going to be hilarious?
Marc:Right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All right.
Marc:This is me talking to my old friend, David Cross.
Guest:Hello, David.
Guest:Hey, how are you?
Guest:I'm good.
Guest:How are you?
Guest:I'm good.
Guest:What's the matter?
Guest:I forgot we were friends.
Guest:So yeah, it could be better.
Guest:It could be worse.
Guest:I'm not here for a job interview.
Guest:Yeah, it's me, Mark.
Guest:Remember?
Guest:So you haven't used this before?
Marc:I've used it here at home.
Marc:I tried it to make sure it was good.
Marc:And it does give a pretty good... Is this better?
Marc:That's great to me.
Guest:Thank you guys so much for gifting me this microphone.
Marc:Wait a minute.
Marc:I thought we were...
Marc:That's what I said to Brendan.
Marc:I said to Brendan right before this, you're the first guy we sent it to.
Marc:I'm like, we're gonna have to get another one because someone's not going to send this back.
Guest:Well, when I got it in the mail, nobody told me this was coming or to expect it, and I got this box from Marc Maron, you know, an old boot box.
Guest:Maybe not even that old boot.
Guest:You seem like the kind of guy who collects boots.
Marc:Am I right?
Marc:What does that mean?
Marc:Why would you say that?
Guest:It means you have more than a pair of boots.
Marc:Yes, but what... So...
Guest:Why are you seeing this as a negative?
Marc:Because what does that mean about me?
Guest:You immediately got defensive.
Guest:People collect things, Mark.
Guest:It's a fine thing to do.
Guest:It kind of goes against your hippie ego.
Marc:No, people know I collect boots.
Marc:I just like boots.
Guest:I didn't know that.
Marc:I have quite a few boots.
Guest:It makes sense.
Guest:You seem like the kind of guy who collects boots.
Okay.
Guest:And then and then it's like also, you know, oddly, I don't want to say shy about it, but it feels a sense of shame, clearly.
Marc:Well, I just wanted to know if there was judgment in what you were saying.
Guest:You know, I understand.
Guest:I think you you that's your default.
Guest:You just go to I'm being judged on, you know, just tell me I get some.
Guest:Can I get some milk?
Guest:Two percent or whole.
Guest:Oh, God, what do I say?
Guest:2%?
Guest:No hole.
Guest:No 2%.
Marc:All right, all right.
Marc:But you were judging me when you said that, right?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:All right, so you got the box from me.
Guest:I got the box, and I was like...
Guest:oh, this is, you know, he's, and he seems like the kind of guy who would do this is just sort of randomly send me, not necessarily because it's me, but just send a, like a present or something that I initially thought, oh, this is going to be something from the 80s that you found that, you know, is, you know, personal to the... Something we had.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And...
Guest:And I just got back from.
Marc:Do I seem like that guy that's going to send you a thing from.
Guest:I mean, I think you would.
Guest:I think you.
Marc:There's that hat.
Marc:Remember the hat?
Guest:Why not?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:If you found something now that you have an assistant, I don't think you do it on your own.
Guest:I don't think you take it and go down to the post office yourself and wait in line.
Guest:But if you have an assistant where you can go.
Guest:Hey, Jenny, here's an address.
Guest:Go send this to my friend Dave.
Marc:Frank.
Guest:You would do that.
Marc:I have Frank.
Marc:He's part-time.
Marc:He doesn't live here.
Marc:He doesn't check my emails for me.
Marc:I was at the post office myself today.
Marc:I'm not saying that you're being judgmental, but maybe I'm being a little defensive.
Guest:Okay, that's fine.
Guest:But...
Guest:But you acknowledge that I had somebody do that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You acknowledge that you wouldn't necessarily do it.
Guest:You'd be more inclined to if you had an assistant as I would, too.
Guest:If I had an assistant, I'd say I mean, I would say Jenny because I would only hire an assistant named Jenny or somebody willing to answer to Jenny.
Guest:Jenny, will you take this down to the post office?
Guest:Now, I'm in Brooklyn, so the post office is literally 75 yards away.
Guest:It's not a big deal.
Guest:And if it was raining or inclement weather, I'd say, wait on it.
Guest:It's just Marc Maron.
Guest:It's just a hat for Marc Maron.
Guest:It can wait a day or two until it clears up.
Guest:So I'm saying that you're...
Guest:we're to we're to we're brothers in that yes and and and and that you weren't expecting the mic so it came and you didn't know anything about it you didn't know if it was a gift or anything was there no instruction at all nothing you just had no so so when you're when you're public i didn't open it up at first i had just gotten back uh uh i traveled all day with my three and a half year old just the two of us and you know uh i
Guest:on the plane getting to getting from the airport with luggage and all this stuff oh my god you're flying during this shit storm i had to i had to go to atlanta um to finish shooting something that shut down during covid right so in in uh we almost done i was halfway through episode six only one more episode after that and it shut down and i had to come back here uh and then everything just turned to shit um and i had to go back in and
Guest:You know, they started up again.
Guest:Very safe.
Guest:It was very I was nervous, quite nervous.
Marc:Let me ask you something about that.
Marc:So because I've been offered a couple of things here and there and I'm just sort of like, if I don't have to do it, I'm not doing it.
Marc:OK, so it was safe, but it was was it any fun at all?
Marc:Does the fear ruin the fun?
Guest:No, it was it was a much different situation than before.
Guest:You couldn't have a lot of people in one place.
Guest:Right.
Guest:While you're shooting.
Guest:So it was sort of blocked in a much different way than it would normally be blocked.
Guest:your scenes and shot a little bit differently.
Guest:But the level of, you know, we were, we were tested every two days and you don't walk in, you know, everything was in three zones, right?
Guest:So you had people in zone a zone B and zone C, and you couldn't interact with other people.
Guest:All rehearsals were done with masks and shields.
Guest:And then you just take them off for the for the actual scene.
Guest:And obviously, because it's porn, you know, it's like much more intense.
Guest:There's a lot of germs flying around.
Guest:But, you know, you're able to make do.
Guest:If that's a euphemism, yeah.
Guest:But yeah, I was very nervous about everything, even flying.
Guest:I thought that both airports, LaGuardia and Atlanta, were really on top of everything.
Guest:The actual flight was very safe.
Guest:I was very, very nervous because we've been so careful here, my family and I, and it was really bad.
Guest:Those...
Guest:Those in March, mid-March to mid-April was scary and weird and surreal.
Guest:And I think that's in part why New York rallied like they did, because it was so bad.
Guest:And we just have less of those, you know, dumb people.
Guest:I mean, there's a plenty in like Staten Island and Long Island.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:We don't have those like it's tyranny.
Guest:I can't breathe.
Guest:You know, it's not that part of the country.
Guest:And it's so.
Guest:But yeah, just to get back to it, it was it was it was I felt very safe.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Because, you know, this is for the thing that you were playing dual Jerry Wexler's.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So we're doing dueling Wexler's.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Pretty cool.
Marc:It is cool.
Marc:But I like like let me hear your Wexler voice.
Guest:You know, it was deeper.
Guest:It was because I got the audio.
Guest:There wasn't a whole lot of audio I could use.
Marc:There was a little bit of audio.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he talked like this.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But I didn't go deeper.
Guest:He was Bronx.
Guest:He was like, you know.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But you went deeper.
Marc:You actually went deeper.
Marc:I kept it around here.
Marc:You know, I talk like this and talk to you normally.
Guest:believe me i would have preferred to do that but uh that's how we you know it would be easier i guess to do that uh because i would always and i mean always by take three i'd be right back up to that pitch that's you know that's mine like more like this yeah especially if you got something to say because uh he talks pretty quickly yeah and uh um and i would find myself right we're rising up in the director so wait you did a you did a bunch of episodes as wex were
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Because I'm just in like we just did the movie.
Marc:So you did the scene where did you do the scene where you yell at the guy who runs the studio?
Guest:No.
Marc:Did you have a fight with that guy?
Marc:No.
Guest:That sounds what the muscle shows.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Rick.
Marc:Rick.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:No, I thought Ted had the fight with him.
Marc:No, he did.
Marc:Yeah, the Ted had one.
Guest:Oh, and then Jerry says something.
Guest:No, I mean, unfortunately, that sounds like it would have been fun and juicy.
Guest:I didn't have a whole lot of juicy stuff to do in it.
Marc:Did you have to change a lot of outfits?
Marc:How many years?
Marc:What's the span of the Wexwear?
Guest:Oh, dude, it went from...
Guest:uh early mid 60s like i want to say 62 and then the last year is 79 right so lots of outfits lots of you know hair pieces that get thinner and grayer and big see like i wish i was bald because like you know they like seriously they uh they they spent all this money to make a a bald wig for me because i had to keep my hair for glow and i was real nervous about because it was
Marc:So they went through that whole thing to make me bald, like like Deborah Messing in your movie.
Marc:And but then they do all that.
Marc:And then they put the little bit of hair on me to make me like what's going to look ridiculous because you can't your face can't express.
Marc:You can see there's no way no matter how good the bald wig is that you're not going to see.
Guest:I mean, that just begs a question.
Guest:Why did they hire you?
Marc:because she liked me and she thought we were going to be able to do it this way.
Guest:I'm kidding.
Guest:I know.
Marc:But she obviously opted to no wig and just fucking deal with my hair.
Marc:So there's a little give to that.
Marc:Oh, that's good then.
Marc:It worked out all right.
Marc:Yeah, it was pretty exciting.
Guest:He has a lot of hair until, really until the mid-early 70s.
Guest:What era were you doing?
Marc:We did the 60s through the it sort of ends at the the concert in the church.
Guest:Yeah, that was the second to last episode I shot.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then the the last episode, I'm not in that much.
Guest:It's really just in the beginning where I tell her I'm leaving Atlantic.
Guest:And then it's like five years later that we catch up.
Guest:So, yeah.
Marc:Oh, right.
Marc:So when did when is your Wex Square going to air?
Marc:Because I think our movie is going to air like January.
Guest:Oh, I, you know, they were trying to, they changed it like three or four times.
Guest:I mean, I imagine they'll change it even again.
Guest:It was supposed to air.
Guest:I think it was supposed to air in the late summer, early, early fall, like, like now-ish.
Guest:And then they moved it to, they try to, they were trying to back into a like Thanksgiving thing.
Guest:And they were like, there's no way that's going to happen.
Guest:So I think they're looking at spring of next year.
Guest:I don't know though.
Marc:I read his autobiography, which is written by this guy, with this guy Ritz, who's kind of an interesting guy in himself.
Marc:But the autobiography was kind of insane.
Marc:Did you read it?
Guest:I've read parts of it.
Guest:It's to see the footage of that guy and read his whole story.
Guest:The fact that he just doesn't look like the kind of, I mean, he was like in pool halls when he was 14.
Guest:He doesn't look like that kind of guy at all.
Marc:I think the fighting was different and more Jewish then.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:There was less intensity to the fights back then.
Guest:Right.
Guest:There was more cowering behind things.
Marc:Well, he had just like this profound impact on music.
Marc:I read about that guy.
Marc:I was like, holy shit.
Guest:Oh, it's insane.
Guest:I mean...
Marc:he you know we i'm sure you know this he uh coined the the phrase rhythm and blues yeah that was him and also like you know his daughter like there's some sadness to the whole thing but he was there all the way through the allman brothers he did capricorn records and he like did dire straits he discovered dire straits it's crazy and all this all these stories about going down new orleans to look at talent and he was anyways i thought it you know to be pretty fascinating
Guest:He's the Rick Rubin of his time, kind of.
Guest:And I'm not trying to be funny.
Guest:There's a parallel.
Marc:There kind of is, except it seems to me.
Marc:Yeah, I guess so.
Marc:I guess why not?
Marc:I tend to romanticize guys who have to get in their cars to drive.
Marc:I romanticize a guy who has to get on his phone to make radio stations play the goddamn Aretha Franklin single.
Marc:He's working the phones off that whole thing.
Marc:Whereas I don't think Rick had to do that, really.
Guest:No, well, Rick probably had pagers and fax machines.
Marc:And he probably had Jenny.
Guest:From his dorm.
Guest:He was working out of a dorm in NYU.
Guest:That's right.
Marc:He was, wasn't he?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So, now, that's a place in Brooklyn you've got there?
Guest:Where I am now?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:You live in Brooklyn?
Yeah.
Guest:I do.
Guest:I've lived in Brooklyn since 2011.
Marc:Really?
Marc:But you've still got the place in the country?
Marc:I just assume you're off the grid.
Marc:So you got the house up there and you got a house in Brooklyn.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I got, I, I had, I got the place, uh, upstate, uh, gosh, um, 13 years ago.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Um, yeah.
Guest:Uh, and honestly didn't, uh, never really, uh, imagined that I would be as into it as I was.
Guest:I, I, you know, not trying to be funny, but I discovered some stuff about myself just how, um,
Guest:For somebody who was so social, especially in New York City, and I'd be out all the time, and albeit awkwardly, I was awkward, but I'm really antisocial.
Guest:And I've probably become more antisocial as I've gotten older.
Guest:But I mean, I love it up there.
Guest:And then, you know, I met Amber, who became my wife, and then we had a kid and et cetera, et cetera.
Guest:And it's been the one constant, you know?
Marc:Yeah, but wait, so back up like that.
Marc:So like, okay.
Marc:So you found out that you were sort of antisocial or at least just, you know, better off not.
Marc:Well, I guess we all used to force ourselves.
Marc:I mean, you're drinking the beers, you're going out, you're hanging out with people running around.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then and then.
Marc:But like because I seem to remember, like, how long has it been since you've been with Amber?
Guest:Uh, we, we met, uh, in early, early 2008, like end of February, March, 2008.
Guest:And, um, and it was really quick.
Guest:I mean, we were once, I mean, she was like, was basically moved in in a matter of months and that was it.
Marc:And we never, you know, to the Brooklyn, which was not in Brooklyn, though, was in East Village in East Village.
Marc:Now, yeah, I kind of remember you being at that place, but I can't remember really the last time we hang out at all.
Marc:So it must be a really long time.
Marc:But do you like it just struck me?
Marc:Were you were you were you against marriage or just you didn't see yourself having children?
Marc:I can't remember which it was.
Guest:I was never anti-marriage.
Guest:I just never understood the reason for it.
Guest:I always thought, you know, if you are going to be with somebody, be with somebody.
Guest:It's fine.
Guest:I never had any kind of anti-marriage stance.
Guest:I just didn't think it would be for me.
Guest:I didn't see myself as the kind of person who would be married.
Guest:I didn't...
Guest:I didn't desire it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know, I basically had that stance until I met somebody that I wanted to marry.
Guest:And that was that.
Guest:So, you know.
Marc:And so but did she ask you to marry her or do you ask her to marry you?
Guest:Other people asked us to marry each other.
Guest:Oh, that's interesting.
Guest:So you're getting a lot of input.
Guest:Yeah, it was a very it was very we were in the middle of a rom-com and we were taking a train Upper West Side and we were having kind of an argument, which was, you know, clearly we were covering up this tension between us.
Guest:And then these people were going like, why don't you just kiss her?
Guest:You know, it was a very there was an old Chinese guy and a lot of people involved.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, some very spunky, precocious African-American children.
Guest:There were an elderly Jewish couple.
Marc:So you couldn't leave the house without people just as soon as we'd leave.
Guest:They hung out.
Guest:They waited for us.
Guest:And then they were just like, why don't you ask her to marry you?
Marc:You know, and.
Marc:And then a Mexican polka band started playing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And you got on your knee.
Guest:And then we sold it to Netflix.
Guest:And, you know, that's how I used the money to buy this place.
Marc:And where did you do a big wedding thing?
Guest:Yeah, medium size.
Guest:We did it upstate right along the river over where we live.
Marc:I think I kind of remember, like 2000 and what?
Guest:Uh, 12.
Marc:Wow.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Uh, we just had our anniversary like, uh, two, two ish weeks ago, something like that.
Marc:Cause I, I like her and she's a great writer and good person.
Marc:You, you both, you know, are like-minded, but now this children thing was that, did you ever see yourself doing that?
Guest:Yeah, for sure.
Guest:You did?
Guest:For sure.
Guest:Not in a proactive way.
Guest:I just could easily picture having a kid.
Guest:I wanted a kid, but not in... I mean, I even would daydream, like, what if I just adopted by myself?
Guest:And I just wanted a kid in my life.
Marc:You did?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So what do you think that is?
Yeah.
Marc:Did you have any sort of like, I'm going to do it differently.
Marc:I'm going to have a kid and aggressively change the way I am programmed.
Guest:That was probably part of it.
Guest:That was, I did have a very real, so there are two parts of this.
Guest:One is the not actually having a kid or any of the responsibilities, but fantasizing and daydreaming about how that might be nice and having an understanding that my life would change in some ways for the better and some ways for worse.
Guest:But also I think a lot of it was
Guest:I was looking for an outside force to change my behavior.
Marc:So the kid is sort of like a beer replacement?
Yeah.
Guest:well i mean you you know you yeah like i i i was not uh i wasn't very um responsible or healthy or uh you know there were there was several years in the uh early aughts in in the east village where i just i and look i was enjoying myself but i think on on it's on
Guest:In a deeper sense, I was not enjoying myself.
Guest:And I was there was probably a little bit of shame.
Marc:And I remember when people were like I because because we, you know, whatever, you know, time we spent together was it was real.
Marc:And, you know, and I love you.
Marc:And we had a deep connection.
Marc:But over the years, we didn't spend that much time together.
Marc:But I remember it during that time.
Marc:There were people concerned about you.
Marc:Like, I remember there was like people like he's he's he's he's running around with the strokes with a fishing tackle box of pills.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, I don't know if that's really completely accurate.
Guest:But the idea, sure, that I was very irresponsible and doing all kinds of things I shouldn't do.
Guest:And again, I was enjoying myself.
Guest:But I think on some level, I was understanding that I needed to stop doing that.
Marc:Did you ever did you get scared for your life?
Guest:No, there were certain times where part part of the problem is I'm oddly resilient for somebody who's, you know, five foot nine and, you know, one hundred and fifty five pounds.
Guest:I can really absorb a lot of drugs and alcohol.
Guest:Do you remember it?
Marc:Is your stomach OK?
Marc:Remember when your stomach hurt all the time?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I mean, part of that is changing, you know, my lifestyle.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And yeah, that's that.
Guest:I mean, I'm definitely a healthier person than I was.
Marc:So you wanted to have the kid because you wanted something outside of yourself to make you change your life.
Guest:That's a subconscious thing.
Guest:I think that was not necessarily.
Guest:And I probably would allow myself to realize that occasionally.
Guest:But I think.
Guest:that was covered up by this other idea.
Guest:Um, sometimes, uh, more, uh, sometimes I believe it more than sometimes it wouldn't about, uh, um,
Guest:You know, that I I'd be a really good dad and I had a shitty childhood, shitty dad situation.
Guest:And I almost owe it to the world to raise a decent kid.
Guest:You know, a lot of bullshit, a lot of like white liberal garbage.
Marc:Is your dad still alive?
Guest:Yeah, as far as I know, I'm pretty sure I would find out if he died because I have two cousins that I don't that every five years or so they'll they'll get in touch to say something.
Guest:And we don't.
Guest:One is on good terms with one.
Guest:I'm not.
Marc:But I thought you were going to say that I would feel a change in the force.
Guest:I mean, he's he's I don't know how much longer he'll live.
Guest:I mean, he's I think he's like he's got to be like 80, 83, 84, something like that.
Guest:I'm not exactly.
Marc:My dad's like 80.
Marc:I guess my dad's 81.
Marc:And I talked to him yesterday and I, you know, I was having some problems with him, but he seems to be.
Marc:losing his mind a bit and uh it's it's getting uh it's there's a sweetness to it now where he said yes last yesterday on the phone he said uh look i just get worried that someone's gonna want to hurt you and uh you've done very well with your life you live the life you want and uh but i don't understand why you you not on the cover of time magazine
Guest:Oh, they giveth and taketh away, don't they?
Marc:Really.
Marc:It went from good for you and proud of you to like, but you know, you're not.
Guest:Yeah, you're not on the cover of time.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, just lie to him.
Guest:Just tell him you got a Nobel or something like that.
Marc:He said the weirdest thing yesterday.
Marc:He's like, I don't understand why there's not more Jews doing things.
Marc:I'm like, what?
Marc:He's like, there was a time, I think, culturally where I think it was we were talking about the virus and he had Jonas Salk in his mind specifically.
Marc:And he's like, why aren't there more Jews at the forefront of everything?
Marc:I'm like, I think there's plenty of Jews working behind the scenes.
Guest:Send him Seth Rogen's IMDB page, you know, busy for a little bit.
Marc:I should tell him.
Marc:And with the caveat that he he has not been on the cover of Time either.
Marc:But you think your dad, hold on a minute.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:Breaking news.
Marc:Keith Ranieri.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Life in prison.
Guest:Good.
Guest:Good.
Guest:Good.
Marc:That is the most boring documentary I've ever seen in my life, The Vow.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Guest:Well, it's like a lot of those documentaries, specifically the kind of new, you know, 10-part series where you're like, this only had to be seven episodes.
Marc:Yeah, but what kind of fucking person would listen to that guy tell them to do anything?
Marc:I mean, like he can barely get through a piano song.
Marc:He says he's a genius.
Marc:He looks like a little hippie turd.
Marc:He plays volleyball.
Guest:Dude, the best, my favorite thing in the whole...
Guest:The whole thing is it's towards it's like one of the earlier episodes where he describes himself as he says, you know, and I'm I'm paraphrasing this, but it's pretty close.
Guest:You know, I'm I'm one of the world's best problem solvers.
Guest:I'm actually considered the third best problem solver in the world.
Guest:Like there's a ranking of something as vague as problem solving.
Guest:And somehow he is ranked third in the society that has deemed him Cambridge University.
Marc:Because he thought that would be more believable.
Marc:But don't you just look at that guy?
Marc:Wouldn't he be like one of the guys where like if we were on.
Guest:It's all the same.
Guest:I get it.
Marc:But look at that guy, though.
Marc:If you and I back in the day, we're going to go play softball with some fellas.
Marc:He would be the guy be like, yeah, I just let him come.
Marc:You know, like he's not there's no charisma, no leadership.
Marc:It's like he's like the annoying guy that hangs around.
Guest:How is that?
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was the annoying guy at the periphery of your group of friends at a bar.
Guest:Right.
Guest:When you're starting to talk about something that's starting to get deep.
Marc:Right.
Guest:And he chimes in and you're like, uh.
Guest:Wait, wait, wait.
Guest:Back up.
Guest:Wait, that doesn't make any sense.
Guest:Like everything he said when he's talking to people, my reaction, you know, and granted, I'm sitting in my living room with the, you know, with hindsight being.
Guest:But I would never be in that situation to begin with.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But everything he says and people are nodding along to it.
Guest:You're like, well, that doesn't make any sense.
Guest:And you and you know me and I know you and you.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You, me, our friends.
Right.
Guest:90 percent of them would stop the conversation and go, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Guest:That doesn't make any sense.
Guest:Explain that.
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:What you just said.
Marc:Oh, aren't you glad we're not that fucking lost or that fucking craving of that type of sense?
Marc:But I imagine.
Marc:Of course.
Marc:But getting back to your old man and to your... So you have this sort of... My brother had the same thing with the kids.
Marc:He's like, I'm going to do it differently.
Marc:But it seems to me that everything changed.
Marc:And I know this because I have friends who have kids and now I've gotten to this weird age where I want to hear more about their kids than them.
Marc:And I get very attached to their kids.
Marc:I'm not really particularly sorry that I don't have children, but I do...
Marc:I do imagine that whatever happened.
Marc:So did it was it a discussion with you two or did she just be was she just like, I'm pregnant?
Guest:So and I feel like I can speak to this because she wrote about it in her in her.
Guest:in her second to last book yeah fucking throw her under the bus dude go ahead I'm not throwing her under the bus she talked about this she you know she asked me if she you know cause so we did get pregnant and this would have been in 2012 I want to say 13 maybe 12 or 13 and she wanted to get an abortion and I did not want that and I was really bummed and it was very
Guest:If you read her book of essays, it's all in there.
Marc:How old were you?
Marc:You were already, what, 45?
Marc:50?
Guest:Dude, I would have been, yeah, late 40s.
Guest:I would have been, what am I, 56?
Guest:You're 56 now?
Guest:48.
Guest:Yeah, so I would have been, is that right?
Guest:No.
Guest:49?
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:How old's the kid?
Guest:the the other side of three and a half she'll be uh four no so you're like in your 50s yeah no i'm not well no this is i'm talking about the first one where she had an abortion it would have been i'm just i'm not good at the math here no she didn't abort our current child no i know yeah you shouldn't do that yeah i didn't know we were talking i i don't know i didn't know we were telling an abortion story i thought this was the fight that produced the first child this was a different fight
Guest:Well, it wasn't a fight.
Guest:She got pregnant.
Marc:Discussion.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:She got pregnant when we weren't really trying for a baby, but we were okay with the idea, I guess.
Marc:And you weren't married yet.
Guest:We were married.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:We were married.
Marc:Oh, interesting.
Marc:Right.
Guest:And we had probably just gotten married.
Guest:And so that was an issue.
Guest:And...
Guest:you know we i supported her uh ultimately it's like you know it's her body it's her decision i'm not going to force her that'd be i can't do that i wouldn't do that um and it wasn't without uh a lot of discussion and i understood why i understood a reason but i just wasn't happy with it um and
Guest:And so that happened, and that was a thing that we had in our lives that was now permanently and forever moving forward going to be a part of our history and relationship.
Guest:And then we did...
Guest:A couple years later, yes, we're going to have a baby.
Marc:Let me ask you something, though.
Marc:In that, just because of the nature of who we are politically and who we are as comics and everything else, now, after that decision, which she wanted to have the abortion and you were against it because you wanted to have the child, I imagine the discussion of that hangs over you, but you don't think you...
Marc:You know, you don't think about that child necessarily, do you?
Guest:Only in an abstract sense.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because I did when she was pregnant and I did.
Guest:And I especially thought about it when we were upstate because I just had this when I go in the woods, I go for a walk with my dog or just go just walk in the woods.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:And I would.
Guest:you know uh imagine having like a five-year-old right holding a five-year-old's hand and and pointing things out and and uh uh all all that kind of right you know romantic father imagery and uh especially upstate um yeah and
Guest:So, I mean, I did in that sense.
Guest:Uh, and I was also, uh, you know, going back to what we were talking about earlier, it was this, like, I'm ready to do this.
Guest:I'm ready.
Guest:Um, uh, in, in a, in a self-centered way, I'm me, I'm ready to do this.
Guest:And she wasn't.
Guest:And, you know, we came to that understanding, uh, uh,
Guest:But that's what a lot of it was about.
Guest:It's what 99% of it was about was, I'm ready.
Guest:I want this.
Guest:And she wasn't.
Guest:And she's significantly younger.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:So that was part of it.
Guest:And then we got pregnant.
Guest:She was ready.
Guest:So we were happy to do that.
Marc:And now you got one.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And she's awesome.
Guest:Three and a half?
Guest:Three and a half, yeah.
Marc:So you were 53 or so, 52?
Marc:When did you turn 56?
Guest:April.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You're like, I don't know.
Marc:I just turned 57 in September.
Marc:We're close.
Guest:I'm 56 and a half.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:But I really want to use this, your podcast as a platform to try to encourage older people to start saying and a half.
Guest:I think I'd like to see people on the floor of Congress going, now listen here.
Guest:I'm 68 and a half years old.
Marc:I am 57 in two months, I think almost.
Marc:So, so like, I can't imagine it, but it must be like, but like there's so many things in your life that, you know, you had resolved on some level, you know, you got money saved, you got a good marriage and now, you know, you're at this age.
Marc:Cause that makes me nervous, you know, cause people are always like, you can have kids whenever you're, you're a dude, but you know, you got, you want to be part of it.
Marc:And I think you got in just under the wire.
Guest:I think, I think you're right.
Guest:And, uh, um, and I really am concerned about if we did have another one, like, uh, my energy level, I've always had a pretty good, you know, a reserve of energy and, and, uh, I'm pretty healthy and athletic, but, um, uh,
Guest:Like the idea of having another kid running around and having to run down the street while they're on a scooter.
Guest:I mean, I literally, especially in Brooklyn, like I'm running like, stop!
Guest:You know, this hauling ass constantly.
Marc:And people are, and because you're Dave Cross, there's always someone across the street laughing.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I'll stop.
Guest:I'll let her go into traffic just for a bit and I'll sign some autographs.
Marc:She has to learn.
Guest:She has to learn quick cameo.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The idea of like doing that again in three years from now, three and a half years, like forget it.
Marc:Well, do you think... Well, yeah, of course.
Marc:But do you think, like, this idea of, like, learning that you didn't... You weren't as social as you thought you were, that you would rather not be hanging around with people as much.
Marc:Do you think that...
Marc:you know, the connection or whatever, however the kid opened your heart that kind of made you realize your priorities and got you more sort of in touch with yourself?
Guest:Yeah, for sure.
Guest:And I, you know, it's every, you know, all the cliches are true.
Guest:It's all, it's, they're so trite and they're trite for a reason and they're, they're wonderful, but the cliches are all true.
Guest:And I, I am now I'm aware of my language.
Guest:I'm aware of my attitude, the energy I give off.
Guest:I'm aware of
Guest:uh so what you don't say what you don't say fuck but do you still say cunt or no yeah yeah um i say cunt in in place of fuck so i'll go ah cunt good for you and uh yeah yeah and and she goes you know what what is that what is cunt what is and uh and i keep saying what yeah and i can't hear you twice that i can't hear you it's really fun yeah um we have a lot of fun that sounds fun
Guest:But just morality, I think about morality and I'm just more conscious of it.
Marc:Like, what do you mean?
Guest:Well, the lessons that I'm teaching.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Good and bad.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What is right in behavior and how I act and.
Guest:Uh, things like that.
Guest:And, and, uh, and I try not to get to show my frustration with something as, as readily as I normally would.
Marc:Don't scare her with the, uh, with the, the weird outbursts of anger.
Marc:Like, God damn it.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Um, and your crankiness has subsided a bit.
Guest:I hope so.
Guest:And I do hope so.
Guest:I do hope so.
Guest:I don't know if it has.
Guest:And the last seven months have been brutal.
Guest:The fact that...
Guest:One great thing about Amber and I's relationship was, you know, we were both in the business.
Guest:So we both understood when, hey, somebody's got to go away for two weeks or 10 days or whatever it is.
Guest:And we check in and we travel with each other a lot.
Guest:But sometimes you just can't.
Guest:And it's a relationship saver, you know, to have that built in.
Guest:Oh, I get to be by myself.
Guest:And same with her.
Guest:She doesn't have to listen to me.
Guest:And I'm not the easiest guy to...
Guest:to live with and um so are you about to tell us that that she's locked in a room or i blocked her in the room she's in the basement uh but i'm only telling you that because i want you to know that i have a basement that's pretty cool right in brooklyn yeah yeah so um no she's in toronto actually right now she's shooting something too
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:God, everyone's going back to work.
Guest:That's why I was with the kid in Atlanta.
Guest:I had to bring her down to Atlanta with me.
Guest:And I was with her because Amber had to go.
Guest:They have a very, very, very strict.
Guest:She's in Canada.
Guest:Very strict quarantine regiment.
Guest:And they will track you and they will, you know, fine you heavily and kick you out.
Guest:So, you know, they're not fucking around because they know how bad it is.
Marc:Is it a movie or TV show?
Guest:uh tv show fx oh yeah um yeah it's uh i guess they're recasting glow and reshooting it wait a minute i'm supposed to they fucking um and i'm sorry to hear about that man i i truly am that was uh you're so so fucking wonderful in that oh thanks buddy
Marc:really really impressive i just i can't yeah i mean there i mean it's just one of those things you know there's nothing you have no power in that thing you know what i mean i i get it i mean the quick the cast is so big how are you gonna how you gonna work around that and when is it gonna be okay to shoot like that there's just i don't i think i really do think it was about that i don't think you know there was just no way to do that safely and no no way to see when that could happen
Guest:Well, it's, it's, again, I was nervous about, you know, going to back, going back to work and there are ways to do it, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:If you really lock it down.
Guest:Perhaps you have to bubble, you know, much like NBA and they did that successfully.
Guest:I don't know how you get around that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Especially for something like your show where you've got all that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I don't know.
Guest:Close contact and everything.
Guest:I got choreography.
Marc:I just like to me, it's like so much about doing what we do.
Marc:And I'm not a big I don't know how to have fun generally.
Marc:But but just that the idea of having the exchange of ideas and being able to socialize on set and all that stuff, like all that stuff being removed.
Marc:And you just kind of render it down to like, all right.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Ready?
Marc:Masks off.
Marc:We're doing it.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I cut masks on.
Marc:It's just like, to me, sounds terrible.
Guest:Yeah, you're right.
Guest:You're you're you're right.
Marc:And but I mean, work is work.
Marc:I get it.
Marc:But, you know, I just I save some money, so I'm not panicking about that.
Marc:But but it just doesn't sound fun.
Marc:And there's also this idea.
Marc:It's like, are we going to put our lives on the line to create entertainment product?
Marc:Isn't that part of the fucking problem?
Marc:But I don't know.
Marc:I don't know.
Guest:I'm with you on all of that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And as much as I am anything else, I'm also a writer.
Guest:And I there have been so many ideas.
Guest:I.
Guest:I've thought like, Oh, this would be a cool idea to explore and to try to write and to develop for standup.
Guest:Maybe not for standup for like TV or for a series.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And then, you know, I think about it like in practical terms, like how would I shoot that?
Guest:This isn't a good idea.
Guest:This would take, I couldn't do that.
Guest:And then, and I try to, um, uh,
Guest:You know, in telescope, everything down to its minimal core.
Guest:Do I do I need to shoot this in New York?
Guest:Can this be shot with just four people in a room?
Guest:You know, like can we green screen all of this?
Marc:Can we can we cut and paste people in?
Guest:It changes your approach or at least changes my approach to how I because I'm always with the stuff that I develop.
Guest:It's usually about story.
Guest:I want this kind of story to be told.
Guest:And it's and I it just is not conducive to to.
Guest:Working under covid conditions.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, I lately like I'm just trying to look, you know, I outside of the loss that I experienced and outside of the we're all in this sort of like horrendous grief zone around the world, you know, and the covid and everything else.
Marc:But like I it's made me reassess fucking everything.
Marc:You know, like it's very weird to see show business in its raw form like this, that these people that have these shows, these nightly shows who are under contract have to do this work.
Marc:It's it's the great leveler.
Marc:It's like everybody's doing their goddamn network television shows from their couches.
Marc:And and on some level, it's OK, but it does strip everything bare.
Marc:And you start to realize, like, we really are song and dance people.
Marc:And yeah.
Marc:Without the song and dance, we're just people sitting on couches.
Guest:It's okay, but it's kind of like... Well, I mean, that's... You kind of...
Guest:you know, ended up, I don't want to say stumbled into it, but you ended up in the greatest COVID gig you could possibly have.
Guest:It's great.
Guest:WTF.
Guest:Not complaining.
Marc:And, you know, and we make a living off it.
Marc:But now I've gotten to just work stand-up material because, like, the weird thing is, Dave, and I don't know about you, but I'll admit it to you, I don't fucking miss stand-up at all.
Marc:And I don't know why, you know, because I've done it my entire life.
Guest:I'm surprised to hear you say that.
Guest:I'm very surprised.
Marc:Well, I mean, it's like one of those things where I think I miss working through stuff.
Marc:Do you know what I mean?
Marc:But you get into the habit.
Marc:For me, I'm going to go do sets at least three or four times a week no matter what.
Marc:So I've never not done sets.
Marc:But even if I didn't have anything, I'll go.
Marc:I'll make myself do it.
Marc:But there was something about just the time and the space and the loss and the COVID and everything else where it kind of forced me to reckon with myself and see where I'm at.
Marc:And I'm pretty comfortable.
Marc:I feel like I'm okay doing nothing.
Right.
Guest:Did you did you prior to all this, did you have that kind of, you know, innate need to do stand up that that that stand ups talk about that?
Guest:Like, I don't know, man, I just got to get up there.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Guest:I did.
Marc:I did.
Marc:But not it wasn't to entertain people.
Marc:It was a personal thing.
Marc:And like because I dropped that last special right at the beginning of lockdown, like I don't know that I'm going to get much better than that special.
Marc:Like that special is good.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So and now like but here's what I was going to say is that something's happening because I've started doing these live Instagrams every morning and I'll do like I'll do like over an hour sometimes.
Marc:To like, you know, anywhere from 500 to 1,200, 1,300 people.
Marc:But thousands of people come watch it.
Marc:But it's reengaging that part of me that thinks on my feet.
Marc:Because you do the same thing.
Marc:I got to talk through my shit.
Guest:Yeah, but I don't.
Guest:This whole performing in a vacuum thing, I do not.
Guest:I'm not comfortable with it.
Guest:It makes me self-conscious.
Marc:No, I don't like it.
Marc:I'm not waiting for laughs.
Marc:But I do like thinking out loud.
Marc:Sure.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:But I want to go back to something you said before about how people are, you know, they're like, I've got to get up on stage and I just want to entertain people.
Guest:And I always found that to be such bullshit.
Guest:I don't have that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I don't think most people do.
Guest:I know plenty of people say it.
Guest:A lot of people, it's like this altruistic thing that that's what's driving them to the stage.
Guest:And it's bullshit.
Guest:It's a selfish, not that the end result is bad.
Guest:It's still a good thing.
Marc:The reason I do it is basically to, you guys will sit and listen to me because this is how I know I exist and this is how I think.
Marc:Enjoy.
Marc:Enjoy.
Guest:Yeah, I think that's how it is for most people that thing.
Guest:And so many people do like I just I mean, I've got this need.
Guest:I've got to get up there and entertain people.
Guest:I got to make them laugh like fuck you.
Guest:You're so full of shit.
Guest:I need you to see me and hear what I'm saying.
Guest:yeah yeah but do you miss it um i do i do a lot and i and i uh i did towards i think in part because it was um uh combined with not working at all i finished this one project i was developing uh i got to to where i was kind of
Guest:uh contractually obligated to finish uh finished that it didn't seem like it had all this kind of excitement behind it moved on and then i i had nothing i was not doing anything and i was trying to force myself to write and i really missed stand up and i was in the kind of what i what i like to call the end of
Guest:I had like three phases to when I'm developing stuff, at least the last two specials and tours I did where I just developed stuff out of nothing.
Marc:I watched one.
Marc:That's when I reached out to you.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Because it like it made me all nostalgic when it was the one with the big colonic closer.
Marc:Which one was that?
Marc:Was that the last one?
Marc:The colonic?
Guest:No, I think that was the one before.
Guest:That was Make America Great Again.
Guest:Was I in a theater or a rock club?
Guest:I think it was a theater.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, that was Make America Great Again.
Guest:I'm pretty sure.
Marc:It's just so funny because I had this moment where that's when I reached out to you because I'm watching and it's like, because we go back to such a developmental time for both of us, there was something so familiar that I hadn't seen in a long time, but that ran pretty deep in me.
Marc:Just watching you do stand-up and sort of move through your stuff, I'm like, I remember this.
Marc:And you do it.
Marc:There was moments in there where I'm like, he's doing this just the first time right now.
Guest:No, that, that was all true.
Marc:That was, uh, no, but I mean like every, every, every word of that was already set.
Guest:Well, pretty much.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, I was, I, uh, I mean, I would, I always riff within stuff, but that story, uh, it was one of those, it was one of the handful of things I've done where I can, as I'm doing it, I can remember it.
Guest:Even though it was a long time ago with Amber, when we were, uh, basically first dating, um,
Guest:Where I just remember I can remember it visually right now.
Guest:I remember the fucking place on Santa Monica Boulevard.
Marc:Who doesn't remember their first colonic?
Marc:I mean, that's why.
Guest:And to this day, only colonic.
Marc:Me too.
Marc:Tom Agnes sent me to his guy in New York.
Marc:It was this little African dude.
Marc:And he had all these pictures.
Marc:When you're waiting in the lobby and he had these pictures of tribal peoples with these long things that could come out of their asses because of what they eat.
Marc:Like literally these shits.
Marc:Oh, the tapeworms and stuff?
Marc:No, they were like, I said to the guy, I said, what is that, a shitsnake?
Marc:And he laughed and laughed and he thought that was the greatest thing to call it, a shitsnake.
Guest:Oh, he was patronizing you.
Guest:There's no way he hadn't heard the term shitsnake ever before.
Guest:Come on.
Marc:Really?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I got a genuine laugh.
Marc:It seemed like a real laugh.
Marc:There was no reason for him to fake it.
Marc:I already had my appointment.
Marc:But, you know, it was just like very disturbing.
Marc:No, they weren't.
Marc:It wasn't a parasite thing.
Marc:It was literally I think these people were eating tree bark or something.
Marc:And it was just that was his way of saying, like, you don't want this to happen.
Marc:I'm like, dude, that's not going to fucking happen.
Guest:And were these like big, glossy, beautiful kind of motivational poster type prints?
Marc:No, they were like those.
Marc:They were almost like from a like a medical journal of some kind, you know, where they'd show the picture of the people like in the tribe.
Marc:And then they'd show these horrendous things.
Guest:Am I understanding this correctly, that these were these were on his wall?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:As like, welcome.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Make yourself comfortable.
Guest:I want to go there.
Marc:It's here in New York?
Marc:Yeah, ask Agne.
Marc:Do you still talk to Agne by any chance?
Marc:Where is he?
Guest:Oh, gosh, I haven't talked to him in a long time.
Marc:Doesn't he live on the moon or in Thailand or someplace?
Guest:Moon, Thailand.
Marc:I don't know where I don't know where I don't know where people go.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Are you in touch with anybody?
Guest:I mean, not not really.
Marc:It's weird, right?
Guest:I've become very antisocial.
Marc:I know.
Marc:But you got the kid.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:But anyways, what were what were we doing?
Marc:Where were we going?
Marc:Oh, about about improvising and missing stand up.
Guest:So I was I was developing some more material and I was I kind of do it in three phases where I just sort of take a tape recorder and just go to, you know, go to some place in Brooklyn and I talk for an hour and then I tape it and what works I keep and what, you know, right.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:And.
Guest:as opposed to like going to clubs and doing 12 minute sets and stuff like that.
Guest:I mean, I just do an hour and I tell people it's going to suck for a little bit.
Guest:That's what I do too.
Marc:I just get a space and just go.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Do an hour, two hours, figure it out.
Guest:And then, you know, phase two is like, okay, I think I know I'm getting close and now I can sort of try.
Guest:I'm not going to dick around anymore.
Guest:Here's what I'm going to work on.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Work on that.
Guest:That's an hour and 15.
Guest:You always, things always inflate.
Guest:And then,
Marc:phase three being like the much uh phase three for me is like the week before where it's sort of like for me it's like a month where i'm trying to sequence things and i always end up like you know i've got the callbacks i know what's going on but it's still like it's still an hour and 20 or it's an hour and 30. and i know like i want to get this down to 75.
Marc:And that last week where you break the outline, it's literally like you see what you want to do and you're like, this doesn't fit.
Marc:No, no, no.
Marc:And then there you go.
Guest:And not being so self-indulgent, precious about things that I love that people aren't digging.
Guest:And look, if you give it four, five, six, seven tries and you're not getting it, then just ditch it and move on.
Marc:Well, no, it was just great.
Marc:It was great seeing you and it made me feel like, do you remember the name of that?
Marc:You know that there are a couple of things I wanted to bring up.
Marc:You remember Inner Beauty Hot Sauce?
Yeah.
Marc:The Caribbean hot sauce, it was almost like it had a mango and a hot habanero.
Guest:Wait, that's vaguely familiar.
Marc:Yeah, I feel like it was from our past.
Marc:Inner beauty.
Guest:Inner beauty.
Guest:Wait, what is that from?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I think we ate it.
Marc:I think we had a bottle of it.
Marc:But they didn't make it for a long time.
Marc:But they're making it again.
Marc:That's all.
Marc:I just want to tell you that.
Marc:And the other thing is, it was a really hot habanero hot sauce.
Guest:Not the stuff at the Yucatan, the Yucca Hut on Franklin.
Marc:No, no, this stuff, it's similar.
Marc:Inner Beauty was a... You could buy it.
Marc:And I feel like somehow or another, the hot sauce, difficult food era was somehow tied to Bob Wilson's apartment for me always.
Guest:Yeah, sure.
Marc:But here's the question I want to ask.
Marc:What was the name of that sub place that we used to get those subs on Mass Ave?
Marc:Remember they had like the...
Guest:Oh, the.
Guest:Oh, God.
Marc:Did it have a number in it?
Marc:Like the five something five.
Guest:There was the meat bomb.
Guest:Right.
Guest:B-O-N-D.
Guest:The meat bomb.
Guest:And it was literally every.
Guest:It was everything they had.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And cheese.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It was around the corner from the Middle East.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right around the corner from the Middle East.
Guest:Or Titi the Bears.
Marc:It was right around the corner from Bob's.
Marc:We could walk there from Bob's on Mass Ave.
Guest:What was it called?
Marc:Five Star or something.
Guest:Oh, that sounds right.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Something like that.
Guest:It was on a Mass Ave.
Guest:It was either by TT the Bears or Middle East.
Guest:I mean, that's all.
Guest:That area has changed dramatically.
Marc:But we had that meat sandwich.
Marc:We'd get like four or five meats on there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And cheese and onions.
Guest:It was crazy.
Marc:It was like sausage, meatball, cheesesteak.
Guest:I think everything they had, they just dumped it on the, you know, and it was when you're poor and drunk and.
Marc:And then I just remember you the next day holding your stomach bent over.
Marc:Stop.
Guest:Always.
Marc:Always holding your stomach and bent over.
Marc:But you're better now.
Marc:So.
Guest:I'm a lot better.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But now, okay.
Marc:So tell me about all these hackneyed things about having a kid though.
Marc:Like what, cause you seem like the, do you, do you, do you tear up?
Marc:Do you get overwhelmed with feeling what happens?
Guest:Um,
Guest:Well, it's, it's the highs are so high and the lows are just, just suck, you know, and, uh, we've been very lucky.
Guest:She's, she's, uh, you know, healthy and, uh, um, hasn't exhibited at this point, any kind of real mental or learning deficiencies.
Guest:And, um, and she's for the most part a happy, fun kid, funny, uh,
Guest:there there's a lot of time, uh, where Amber's not here, you know, and she's, she's out of town and she had a whole run for like six or seven months where she was doing all kinds of, you know, things either promoting her stuff or, uh, um, uh, some writing that had come out or, uh, doing stuff for feminist causes or, uh, political people, uh, you know, uh, politicians or whatever.
Guest:And she, uh,
Guest:you know be gone for four or five days or whatever and uh and it's just it's the most exhausting thing like uh being with a kid sun up sun down you know when they're it's mostly it's great but it can be really really just you're just wiped out by the end of the day wiped the fuck you don't have any help over there
Guest:I do.
Guest:Uh, but like when I was in, uh, Georgia, yeah.
Guest:You know, as in Georgia didn't, but, um, uh, Nanny has her own schedule and her issues too, and has her own life.
Guest:And, you know, sometimes can't just can't be here.
Guest:Um, and the nerve Amber gets back, which will be in early November.
Guest:I mean, it's just like, uh, um, but that, that's, it's been like that.
Um,
Guest:Since she was a kid, really.
Guest:I've been with her pretty much outside of 12 days where I went to Europe on the last tour and made a talk about a lesson learned.
Guest:A tremendous mistake in that I was so nervous and depressed and upset that I was going to go away from her.
Guest:I'd never been away from her for more than like a day and a half at that point, maybe two days tops.
Guest:And.
Guest:And I make I design my trip to Europe and I didn't do half the shows that I did in the on the last tour.
Guest:Oh, come on.
Guest:Yeah, I didn't do half of those.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I only did 12 days.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I went and I flew in, red-eyed to Manchester, did a show that night as fucking out of it and jet-lagged and crazy.
Guest:And then my last show was in Amsterdam and had like a 6 a.m.
Guest:pickup to go to the airport to fly from Amsterdam to Manchester, back to New York, just so I could cut out whatever it is, a cumulative...
Guest:14 hours off of the itinerary so I could not be away from her for so long.
Guest:And I walked in and she didn't give a fuck, man.
Guest:She just, I was like, I got my suitcase.
Guest:Hey, and my dog's all excited.
Guest:Marla, she's got her back to me.
Guest:She's looking at the TV on the couch.
Guest:Hello, hello.
Guest:And she just kind of turned around and looked at me, didn't say a word and went back to watching TV.
Guest:And so I will never, ever make that mistake again.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:And that's when you said to Amber, what the fuck is her problem?
Guest:Amber wasn't there.
Marc:Oh, just a nanny.
Guest:So, yeah.
Guest:But yeah, I had 12 days there and then I did this movie, The Dark Divide.
Guest:Aren't we supposed to talk about that?
Guest:I watched it.
Marc:I watched the whole movie.
Marc:Dude, I think that the sandwich place had the word high in it.
Marc:Like high five.
Marc:High something.
Guest:High five.
Guest:High five.
Marc:High five pizza.
Marc:High five pizza.
Guest:High five pizza.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:High five pizza.
Marc:Oh, thank God.
Marc:Oh, good.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So.
Guest:The pizza had very, it had really quality fidelity.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But the sandwiches were where it was at.
Guest:It was a great sounding pizza.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Awesome.
Marc:But yeah, I watched a movie, man.
Marc:And I was very proud of you.
Marc:You seemed to like, you know, I thought like, well, this is a changing man.
Marc:He's accessing, you know, it was like, you know, it was like a deeper dive into a character, I think, than you usually do.
Guest:Oh, for sure.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And like, it was moving and it was a painful story, but also beautiful.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, thank you.
Guest:Yeah, it was it was it was, you know, cool to do.
Guest:It wasn't fun to do.
Guest:No.
Marc:To be outdoors in Washington.
Guest:Dude, it was like the lowest budget, most grueling.
Guest:I mean, a lot of those scrapes and bruises were all real.
Marc:And did you get to spend time with the real guy?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Robert Pyle.
Guest:Awesome guy.
Marc:He's a butterfly guy.
Guest:And, you know, it's not... It takes from a couple of his books.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And there are some liberties taken with the story.
Guest:But...
Guest:you know, it's 90% of it is all, you know.
Marc:So basically the idea is that like his wife, he, he nursed until she died of cancer and he'd always want to.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But he was really kind of, uh, as, as sweet and nice and kind and, uh, as he is in real life, he's very, uh, you know, he's shy and, and, uh, and, um, he, uh,
Guest:isn't very proactive and his wife is extremely extroverted.
Guest:He's introverted.
Guest:She's extroverted.
Guest:And, um, and she was really the one who was holding, you know, in a way holding his life together and he wouldn't have done anything without her pushing him to do it.
Guest:And so that's like her dying thing to him is, is applying, um,
Guest:for him uh for the uh guggenheim grant to go find these to document these species that have never been documented to go into this place it's it's uh uh you know one of the last wild uh bits of the lower 48 uh uh states and it's one of the last stretches that is it is very you know still very wild is it still um
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Um, and I mean, you can hike it.
Guest:It's just, there's no amenities.
Marc:There's no, you know, is that how you guys had to shoot it basically?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:With the skeleton crew, a lot of where we were, there was no, um, you know, there's no cell services, no electricity.
Guest:Uh, and you couldn't access a lot of the parts, anything around those, like, um, the lava tubes, you know, a lot of that stuff, uh,
Guest:And people got hurt.
Guest:You know, there were some, you know, albeit relatively minor, but there were a number of people who had to get, you know, some help.
Guest:But you're out there.
Guest:Also, there was a mountain lion that was like stalking.
Guest:It was fucking nuts.
Guest:And and there was no like changing trailer.
Guest:There was no.
Guest:craft services you're out there and you had to hike everything in there equipment and everything and then shoot and if it if you see it's raining that's because it rained and those those the weather changes like that i mean it just changes oh my god how long was this shoot
Guest:I think it was, I want to say five, I want to say four weeks.
Guest:And the first week was in Portland.
Guest:So it was three weeks out in the woods.
Marc:Wow, man.
Marc:It's like Apocalypse Now.
Guest:But not all of it, not I mean, the stuff when you see like when it's kind of nice out and then there's like the the the we're on top of the ridge like that wasn't that wasn't scary or weird, but a lot of the stuff in the interior.
Guest:was really hairy and not not fun i mean it was and there's again like there's no trailers nowhere to get so this was no was this director like he was like just like this was his vision this was he was willing to commit this insanity to it
Guest:Yeah, he he grew up in Portland and went to a lot of these places as a kid.
Guest:And he I can't remember how he came to know Robert Pyle's work, but he did.
Guest:And then he kind of devoured all of his work.
Guest:Now he's a he's a an accomplished writer.
Guest:He wasn't at the time that the movie takes place in 95, I think.
Marc:But he's by training a butterfly guy.
Guest:Yeah, he's a lepidopterist.
Guest:That's his thing.
Guest:And now he's a lot more than that, but that's what he was when this journey, he goes on this journey and this thing happened to him.
Guest:And yeah, so this guy got to know him.
Guest:He got the rights to it.
Guest:And I think it was about 10 years that he was trying to get this thing made.
Marc:But the impetus of it was that, you know, his wife had wanted him to do this and he didn't say he was going to do it.
Guest:And I'm going to do it.
Guest:I'll do it.
Guest:I'm going to.
Guest:Yeah, definitely.
Guest:Next when it warms up and then it would warm up.
Guest:Well, I'm going to wait a little bit till this because I'm not really ready right now, but I will be.
Guest:And he was always putting it off.
Guest:And then she dies and she had applied for the grant.
Guest:And knowing she was dying, she only had a matter of weeks left and he gets accepted and has to go.
Guest:She's already dead.
Guest:So he's like, now he's got to do it.
Marc:And through that process, I mean, like, how did you approach it differently?
Marc:Because it feels to me, it felt to me like this was something, you know, that you couldn't, you know, you couldn't just goof through.
Marc:You couldn't just make a caricature and do it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So like it has to be, there has to be some relationship between you coming to terms with yourself that enabled you to do this emotionally with this guy.
Guest:Well, uh, to, uh, to bring it all back around to where one of the things we were first starting to talk about, it's, it's really about embracing that.
Guest:What I came to see myself as is antisocial and not, uh, it, it,
Guest:it spoke to that part of me.
Guest:And, and I,
Guest:I could never do what this guy did.
Guest:I mean, not in a million years.
Guest:And I know everybody says, well, you could if you had to.
Guest:I wouldn't.
Guest:I'd be dead.
Guest:I'd be dead.
Guest:I would quicken the death.
Guest:I mean, I just couldn't do... I couldn't survive it.
Guest:It was 128 miles, I think.
Marc:And he just went out by himself with very little... He went out by himself.
Guest:He was in way over his head.
Guest:He didn't know what the fuck he was doing.
Guest:And I just...
Guest:It was, you know, like embracing the letting all those other facades fall away and go, all right, this is who I am.
Guest:I've got to do this.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I'm going to do it because he has a couple.
Guest:There's a couple of moments where he could have bailed.
Guest:Right.
Guest:He didn't.
Guest:And he does it for her.
Guest:And he knows he knows deep down that he will change for the better.
Guest:He knows it's hard and he knows that.
Guest:She was the better person in that sense.
Guest:And, you know, he's got her kind of memory and spirit there with him, guiding him.
Guest:And, you know, just and we do it in the movie and it's and it was, you know, really happened to Robert, the real guy.
Guest:But he thought he thought he was in there for like.
Guest:I can't remember what it was.
Guest:He thought he was in there for like 28 days and he was in there for almost 40.
Guest:Like he had just completely lost track of everything.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Um, I can't remember the exact numbers, but, um, we had a scene that we eventually took out where he puts on his, uh, he he's leaving and he sees people on the dashboards of cars, like the name, a phone number to get in touch with a relative when he's expected back or that person, he or she is expected back.
Guest:And he goes, Oh, and he puts his,
Guest:He writes it on like a piece of paper and he puts it on his dashboard.
Guest:Right.
Guest:He's off by weeks.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I thought that was in the movie when he comes back to the car and realizes how long he's been gone.
Guest:Oh, maybe it was.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I've never seen it.
Guest:So you'll have to tell me.
Marc:Oh, yeah, I think so.
Marc:Well, you don't want to see it.
Guest:No, I've seen it 150 times.
Guest:Just doing cuts and ADR and stuff.
Guest:I know, I don't remember.
Marc:But yeah, it was, I don't think, like, I think you keep saying you're antisocial.
Marc:I think you're just more comfortable with yourself.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Marc:I think when you go running around and you got it, it's like that thing you were saying, you're looking for something outside of yourself, whatever it is, you know, to kind of make yourself feel better.
Marc:And I think you just probably just just, you know, kind of more comfortable with yourself.
Marc:If you're lucky, that happens when we get older.
Marc:You know, a lot of things don't matter.
Guest:I never thought about it that way, but that's that's interesting.
Guest:And I will I will give that some thought.
Guest:Maybe that's that's interesting.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Well, do whatever you have to do with it.
Guest:All right, I'm gonna take off and, um...
Guest:Actually, I do kind of have to run.
Guest:No, no, it's good.
Guest:It's good.
Guest:It's fine.
Marc:But the movie was good and it's great to see you.
Marc:And I thought you worked well with Deborah Messing.
Marc:And I thought the journey was good and the Bigfoot thing was.
Marc:Am I spoiling it?
Guest:No.
Guest:I mean, that's I think I think they did a really good job of handling that.
Marc:Not ridiculous.
Guest:Yeah, it's not ridiculous.
Guest:I mean, that was a big I every step of the way.
Guest:I was like, you guys can't show big, but you can't do this.
Guest:You can't do that.
Guest:I mean, it has to be just.
Marc:Is it in the book?
Guest:Yeah, the the the thing at the very end, I don't want to give it away, but, you know, the literally the very end.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Happened, but not quite in that way.
Guest:But that did happen.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he did come upon a print.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I know this guy, he's a scientist.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It was a really difficult...
Guest:And people, you know, when they're interviewing me about the movie, like, do you believe in Bigfoot?
Guest:And I do not.
Guest:I don't believe in it.
Guest:But I do believe in the ability for for mankind to invent things.
Guest:And but I thought what he he says something in his book, he writes about how.
Guest:There's every reason to think that a Bigfoot could exist and has the wherewithal to not make himself known, especially in that part of the country.
Marc:I guess that becomes queer to you when you're out in it, huh?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it's and have you been to like Central Oregon?
Marc:I haven't spent time there.
Guest:No, it's one of the most fucked up.
Guest:I grew up in the South.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And it's one of the most fucked up.
Guest:I mean, it's it's weird in a way I have not experienced.
Marc:Well, you mean like like hill people wise?
Guest:Kinda.
Guest:Not that they're scary, but just they're very... It's almost Twinspeak-ish in that it's a culture that is unto them, and they're very suspicious people.
Guest:I haven't felt that kind of vibe since I've been in the deep south, like in Appalachia.
Guest:Right, right.
Guest:Appalachia.
Marc:Yeah, there's hill people all over the place.
Guest:But I'm telling you, man, maybe just because I'm used to the South and when you go, especially in the... Upstate New York's got them too, dude.
Guest:Not like this, man.
Guest:Maine?
Guest:Not like this.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:All right.
Guest:Maine, maybe.
Guest:Maybe Maine.
Guest:I haven't been to, like, super rural Maine.
Guest:And I think it's kind of a similar, you know, just a suspicion and not the friendliest vibe.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:You can imagine a lot of QAnon, you know, stuff.
Guest:Sure, sure.
Marc:The kind of like, sort of, hi, how you doing?
Marc:Just passing through?
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:Yeah, I am now.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, it's a trip, man.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Well, I enjoyed watching the movie, and I liked the movie, and you did a good job.
Guest:Well, thanks, man.
Guest:And it's truly...
Guest:Great to see you and your success and how you've been able to branch out as well and do that stuff.
Marc:Thanks, man.
Guest:As well, which is an opportunity we haven't often gotten to do.
Marc:No, sir.
Marc:Yeah, and I'm excited.
Marc:Yeah, it's great talking to you.
Marc:Great seeing you.
Marc:I love you, man.
Guest:And you as well, man.
Marc:Take care.
Guest:All right.
Bye.
Marc:David Cross.
Marc:He felt that that ending was abrupt.
Marc:I guess it was, but I do that sometimes, don't I?
Marc:We were done.
Marc:He felt done.
Marc:Kind of felt like it was done.
Marc:You can go to darkdividefilm.com to get the virtual cinema links for the movie The Dark Divide that Dave and I just talked about.
Marc:Good luck, everybody.
Marc:Good luck.
Marc:I'll be back on the Instagram lives probably Thursday.
Marc:And the t-shirts, the Marin Too Close shirts, are selling like hotcakes.
Marc:It's a good shirt.
Marc:You can go to podswag.com or go to wtfpod.com.
Marc:Click the merch button.
Marc:I think it's one of the better shirts we've done.
Marc:I don't even know why.
Marc:It's got a vibe.
Marc:It's got a nice teal color.
Marc:Whatever.
Marc:Guitar?
Marc:How about a little guitar?
Marc:All right.
Marc:Okay, here we go.
Marc:Good luck.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:Boomer lives.
Marc:Monkey lives.
Marc:LaFonda lives.
Marc:Vote.
Marc:Vote.
Marc:I miss you, Lynn Shelton.