Episode 1150 - Kieran Culkin
Marc:lock the gate all right let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fucksters what's happening i'm mark maron this is my podcast wtf welcome to it we've been going at it for a while now we're in our 11th year almost at the end of the 11th year of this is that true
Marc:2009 in the fall.
Marc:An ongoing conversation twice a week for 11 years or so, almost 11 years.
Marc:With me and you and me and people that come in here and you and everyone's involved.
Marc:Either they're in here or I'm talking to them on the video.
Marc:And we're doing it.
Marc:We're getting through it, aren't we?
Marc:I have no more bandwidth, folks.
Marc:For fucking sad, scary shit.
Marc:I have no, I just have limited bandwidth.
Marc:The whole goddamn thing, the needles are going all over the place.
Marc:Just like, full on.
Marc:I just tripped myself out into some sort of hyper...
Marc:dread hyper anxiety and then it's just and then it's almost like a riddle in effect i just kind of get exhausted now i'm plodding through 110 degree temperatures out here what's going on where you are is the sky on fire the fucking sky's on fire so now on top of everything else authoritarianism fucking insanity
Marc:the future of the country, the future of the planet.
Marc:I got to worry about my house burning down again.
Marc:Didn't burn down before, but it's just the worry of it.
Marc:But how are you?
Marc:No, seriously, I'm sorry.
Marc:I'm taking up too much time.
Marc:I got a lot to be grateful for.
Marc:I'm sober.
Marc:I got some money saved up.
Marc:I'm working.
Marc:I have good friends.
Marc:Do you do that?
Marc:Do you have a gratitude list?
Marc:All of those things make impending doom pleasant.
Marc:Money in the bank, good friends, a nice place to live.
Marc:Yes, I understand that.
Marc:So I'm not complaining.
Marc:I'm grateful.
Marc:My particular impending doom period is relatively comfortable.
Marc:Today, I talk to shortly.
Marc:I will talk to Kieran Culkin.
Marc:He's an Emmy-nominated actor now for playing Roman Roy in Succession.
Marc:You guys know him from that, or Igby Goes Down, Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, the Home Alone movies with his brother Macaulay.
Marc:If you want to do a little homework, a little backup work, I interviewed Macaulay back on episode 883, I believe, if you want to go listen to that.
Marc:I like the guy.
Marc:I like the Kieran Culkin.
Marc:I've always liked him.
Marc:I see him, I'm like, that kid seems like a solid kid.
Marc:Good presence on the screen.
Marc:Got a little bit of an attitude.
Marc:I'd like to talk to that kid.
Marc:And now I get to talk to that kid.
Marc:I'm having some issues with my cat, but I don't know if I'm making them up.
Marc:I got one cat left.
Marc:I went and picked up Monkey in a box.
Marc:I got Monkey in a box.
Marc:And I got LaFonda in a box.
Marc:And the same company, I think, cremated them, but they changed their boxes.
Marc:So now I got two different types of boxes with the same cute little wooden name tags.
Marc:I like it.
Marc:I'm glad that they're in different boxes.
Marc:One's a sort of a...
Marc:homemade paper outside box.
Marc:It's got that on the exterior.
Marc:The other one's just a shinier box with fondas.
Marc:And I got them out.
Marc:Is that weird to have them out?
Marc:Am I supposed to hide them?
Marc:They're nice boxes with nice wooden name tags on them.
Marc:I got a little weird sculpture of a cat doing a yoga pose or just sitting cross-legged.
Marc:And it's next to that, the two of them, brother and sister,
Marc:But I still got Buster here and now Buster is being showered with more attention than he's ever had from me.
Marc:And I'm not sure he likes me.
Marc:I just don't, I don't know.
Marc:I think he liked being neglected.
Marc:I think he liked having a buffer.
Marc:There's no old man buffer.
Marc:It's just one, it's an old man human and that guy and Buster.
Marc:I don't know what to make of it.
Marc:I think he looks for Monkey sometimes.
Marc:I think he smells where Monkey was.
Marc:I think he, I see him sitting where Monkey was sitting.
Marc:It makes me very sad.
Marc:That we're both looking and knowing.
Marc:We're both knowing that our friend is gone, but his is a little different.
Marc:I got to be careful not to project too much human feelings on him.
Marc:I got to not make assumptions that he's experiencing.
Marc:Whatever he's experiencing like a human.
Marc:Obviously, he likes me.
Marc:I feed him.
Marc:But it's a little weird.
Marc:It's a little weird.
Marc:I mean, Monkey, I was with for 16 years and we had an understanding.
Marc:I don't think I've reached an understanding with this cat.
Marc:and he's a weirdo but he'll fetch which is cool um did i mention my car got recalled some things in it that were not safe need the car need to be able to drive away if i have to drive somewhere just turn the fucking phone off
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:This has just come up on my phone.
Marc:California hit by nearly 11,000 lightning strikes, sparking more than 350 fires as thousands flee over the last 72 hours.
Marc:And I don't have a fucking car.
Marc:Got to get out.
Marc:Going to get out.
Marc:So this show, as you've noticed, Brian Cox has been on.
Marc:I've talked to Sarah Snook.
Marc:Kieran Culkin is part of some dynasty, a strange acting dynasty that I didn't think he would talk about, but he fucking, he talked about it.
Marc:I walked to the fucking Ralph's supermarket in 108 degrees yesterday.
Marc:And it's weird when you start the walk in 108 degrees, you're like, no, it's not so bad.
Marc:But then when it comes down on you, it's almost like all the moisture leaves your body and you're walking through invisible sludge.
Marc:And I carried a fucking watermelon home like I'm some kind of hero.
Marc:In 109 degrees temperature, I walked four blocks, bought a watermelon and walked it four blocks home.
Marc:Hero.
Marc:Got to knock on those watermelons.
Marc:I don't know how you're doing it, but I've figured out a way.
Marc:It looks stupid.
Marc:I'll remind people.
Marc:I hold it up, stick my ear on it, knock on it with the other hand.
Marc:And if it sounds like a wooden door, that's your fucking ticket.
Marc:That's your watermelon.
Marc:Okay, let's just do this.
Marc:Please be careful out there.
Marc:Don't burn up.
Marc:All right?
Marc:I don't even know what I'm encouraging you to stay alive for, but let's do it together.
Marc:All right, so Kieran Culkin is nominated for an Emmy for Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series in the role of Roman Roy on Succession.
Marc:This is me and Kieran Culkin coming up.
Guest:Hey, man.
Guest:Hello.
Marc:How's it going?
Guest:I'm here.
Guest:I can't believe I fucking made it.
Guest:I think I'm only one minute late, which is a fucking miracle.
Guest:It's crazy.
Guest:Like, the baby woke up an hour earlier than we thought while my wife's sandwiches arrived 20 minutes late.
Guest:So there was the I'll hold the baby while you slice the cucumber and eat a sandwich.
Guest:And then she finishes the sandwich.
Guest:I got to go.
Guest:She's got a shit.
Guest:So shower and then the little shit.
Guest:Do I have coffee?
Guest:Oh, fuck, I do.
Guest:I said I was running 10 minutes late.
Guest:And then I realized, no, wait, I'm wearing a shirt.
Guest:I got coffee.
Guest:What the fuck am I saying?
Guest:I don't have to be late.
Marc:I mean, you just have to walk down the hall.
Guest:I even have like check this shit.
Guest:I got like lights, like proper fucking these lights behind me.
Guest:I have a green screen that I can pull up.
Guest:I shot something here and they let me keep all this very expensive equipment.
Guest:And now I have to throw it out, I guess.
Guest:I don't know why.
Marc:Well, you can once you figure out how to use it.
Marc:I mean, you're, you know, relatively intelligent person, right?
Guest:Not with that stuff.
Guest:I feel like I learned how to use the VCR and the DVD player and Laserdiscs.
Guest:Once like we got to streaming services, I just don't know how they work.
Marc:What's going on, man?
Marc:You're all right.
Guest:yes one of those you're not supposed to complain so i just really try to not complain everything's great how old's the kid 11 months yesterday so so it's like tiny it's like a little kid he's amazing yeah um but it's yeah it's one of those oh okay i need to be ready at 2 15 i'll give myself a half an hour because really i need 10 minutes and that's what things things don't work that way and i feel like
Guest:I've heard other parents say, like, you can't say let's do something at 2.30.
Guest:It's let's do something between 2 and 4.
Guest:And it doesn't matter how much experience I get and how much we plan, I'll just never be on time.
Guest:I was today.
Guest:I was one minute late.
Guest:This is a miracle.
Guest:I feel like I forgot something.
Marc:No.
Marc:Well, the kid is with a human?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:So that's the part.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I managed to change a shit diaper before I left, too.
Guest:So I felt like, OK, at least I did something.
Guest:My poor wife just has a wrong head.
Marc:I can't really imagine it.
Marc:I don't have kids, and I'm an old man, and I didn't have any, and I don't regret it.
Marc:And when I hear about it, it sounds exciting, but I still don't.
Marc:Like, nothing you're saying is making me go, ah, fuck, I should have.
Guest:That honestly was the same way I felt.
Guest:It is the greatest thing in the world, so it really is.
Guest:I would tell you it's definitely worth it, but I can imagine myself having not had kids and going, yeah, why would I want to do that?
Guest:Why would I want to not have sleep, not be able to do the things I want to do?
Guest:and just be stressed all the time and fighting with my wife why would i want to do that um and you made it to however old you are without it yeah i got to yeah i got to be 37 i did the whole single life shit and then it's weird because then we have a kid and then she starts crawling around and walking and i go here's another thing i never thought i'd do let's buy a house upstate now i want a freaking pool and a
Marc:backyard and all this shit that I never wanted we're not gonna get it but um have you been looking we started to and then my wife sort of had a panic of like why would I do that like why would I move to a big house where nobody is around me well I mean you know we'll see how everything unfolds it might be the best solution I don't know I figured this out yeah I mean I so you had the kid so the kid was like what six months old and then all of a sudden it's like you can't leave your house
Guest:yeah yeah that was that was it and that was kind of nuts and we have a tiny uh like 600 square foot one bedroom apartment that i moved into when i was 19 when i moved out of my mom's house um and you still have that place we're still there but what i did is about a month after the lockdown i rented this little studio here downstairs yeah which extra money at it and that was for three reasons that was to in case one of us got sick and we had to self-quarantine it was for work things like this
Guest:and to get my fucking face out of my wife's face.
Guest:That's sort of a loose quote.
Marc:So what, from her?
Marc:Mm-hmm.
Marc:What, so do you have any furniture in that room or is it just the lights that you stole and a desk?
Guest:This is kind of disgusting.
Guest:The last tenant left the bed and the super was like, oh, I'll get rid of this.
Guest:I said, no, it's all right.
Guest:And so I bought like a rubber mattress cover that still stinks so the bed just smells of rubber and, you know, I put our clean sheets on it.
Guest:And then whenever somebody throws out furniture, because since this thing happened, so many people in this building have moved out.
Guest:So they just leave their furniture in the lobby and I'll grab it.
Guest:I have a nightstand.
Guest:I got a desk.
Guest:I got all sorts of shit that people throw out.
Guest:I just drag it into this apartment, wipe it down with, you know.
Guest:The antibacterial wipes I could find were like pineapple smells.
Guest:This apartment smells like rubber and pina colada.
Guest:It's disgusting.
Yeah.
Marc:Man, it sounds like you're living the life.
Guest:It's so fucking glamorous.
Guest:I'm also getting fat as shit, which is why I'm wearing this neckerchief.
Marc:Oh, that's not a face mask?
Marc:That's a hide your second chin?
Guest:It's actually a face mask, but it does do both.
Guest:But now that I've mentioned it, I've got to get rid of it so I can't be that mean.
Marc:Yeah, I put on about five myself, and I'm kind of obsessing about that today.
Marc:I don't know what the fuck to do about it.
Marc:That's it?
Marc:Fuck you with your five.
Marc:What'd you put on?
Guest:Closer to 15, and I've lost a couple.
Guest:I threw the scale away because I was tired of looking at it.
Marc:Yeah, because when you've got nothing to do, you can look at it a few times a day, right?
Guest:I just don't want... And then it's like, oh, that's inaccurate.
Guest:There's no way.
Guest:There's no way I weigh that.
Guest:And then I just put on, like, my sleep time shirt.
Guest:You know, the shirt that's really big.
Guest:And my belly is pushing it out, so it's hanging off the side of my body.
Guest:So that's how I judge it.
Guest:It's like, what can I wear?
Guest:And I can only wear this has, like, already my daughter's got food on it.
Guest:It was one of the few, like, two or three shirts I can wear.
Guest:So...
Marc:I always weigh myself.
Marc:This is how fucking nuts I am when I'm in it.
Marc:Because I was okay for a while and then shit got sad and dark here and I started eating everything.
Marc:I'll make sure I pee right when I get up.
Marc:I'll pee out.
Marc:I'll get on a scale.
Marc:And if it's like nine, like one, like if it's one, like one 78.5, I'll go piss and get back on the scale and be like one 78.
Marc:I'm okay with that.
Marc:You know?
Marc:And then start my half.
Marc:I have to do it right.
Marc:When I get up and I have to make sure there's no liquid in me.
Marc:I take my watch off.
Guest:Makes it shave your body hair.
Guest:Just shave your eyes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's that crazy.
Marc:I'm close to my goal weight.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:You're supposed to like exercise too.
Guest:Like I even saw a commercial yesterday for like some sort of workout.
Guest:I don't even know what it was for.
Guest:I just saw a bunch of people working out.
Guest:Who the hell is exercising?
Guest:You're not going to the gym.
Guest:I guess people that have a gym in their house.
Marc:I go up, I go out the mountain there.
Marc:I go hiking and shit.
Marc:I'm definitely trying to, you know, stay active.
Marc:Cause I don't, I'm here alone.
Marc:You've got, you're engaged with a infant and a, and a wife and emotions and things.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:We're in Manhattan, so it's like, okay, we got to go out.
Guest:So pack up the stroller and start walking, but try to keep six-foot distance, and why isn't that asshole wearing a mask?
Guest:Right.
Marc:Do the siblings have kids?
Marc:I talked to your brother.
Marc:I talked to Macaulay.
Marc:Does he have one?
Guest:He doesn't have one, does he?
Guest:No, no.
Guest:I'm the first.
Marc:Who knows?
Guest:Probably only because when they hear my...
Guest:escapades i think they might have the same sort of reaction you do of like why would i do that um if i'm like you have to speak honestly because this isn't just trying to cover my track it really is like i don't sleep but when i wake up exhausted i just think of my daughter's face and it's really like i know it sounds corny and whatever
Guest:I had a friend who had kids who said, it's every cliche you've ever heard because it just is.
Guest:Like she, the meaning of everything.
Guest:So when I go up to that apartment, she sees me and she just gets this big smile and slaps.
Guest:She crawls really fast over to me and just tries to crawl up me desperately, like pick me up.
Guest:And it's the greatest feeling in the world.
Marc:Well, that's good, man.
Marc:I'm happy for you.
Marc:How long have you been with your wife?
Marc:Almost nine years.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Guest:So take that, then, like, nine years of being together and put us in a tiny apartment during a pandemic with a baby that wasn't sleeping and say, hey, you two, get along.
Marc:Right.
Marc:What does she do?
Marc:Is she in the biz?
Guest:No, no, she's not.
Guest:She worked...
Guest:She's one of those like she worked in advertising, but I never was quite sure what she did.
Guest:Just sort of like the music side of advertising.
Marc:Yeah, I don't know what that means.
Marc:You know, people say things I you would be surprised how many people I talk to that aren't really sure what their parents did.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's a good call.
Guest:I know my mom worked nights and she worked for like an answering service, which took till I was 30 to finally ask her and say, what does that mean?
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's an answering service.
Marc:Well, they used to exist answering services.
Marc:I remember like you could, you know, it was a number you call, they'd pick up your, like my dad was a doctor, so he had an answering service and he'd have to call the answering service to see if anyone called.
Marc:You know, now we have
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Voicemail.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like hospitals and stuff too.
Guest:But also she said she did a lot of like for casting people, like, like the casting people would tell her who got the part and she would reach out or, you know, something like that.
Guest:Oh, really?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:So she talked to a lot of actors.
Guest:She says she remembers calling a few actors to tell them they had the part in something.
Marc:Really?
Guest:And that was a fun experience.
Marc:So it was a specific type of answering service.
Guest:Yeah, I guess.
Marc:Now, I got a question for you.
Marc:And just because it struck my mind when I was coming over here.
Marc:Now, I know you guys don't like talking about your old man, but did he think that...
Marc:Did he think he had a racket going like it?
Marc:Was he like, I'm going to make all of these.
Marc:Like, was it a big plan?
Marc:Because it seems to me if you're going to make a plan to make money, you know, making seven kids act is not the most lucrative idea.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's actually a good point, because, like, how the hell is that going to work?
Guest:Like how like he struggled his whole life to do it himself.
Guest:Now he's going to try to throw seven kids at the wall and see what's dead.
Yeah.
Marc:I just, yeah, I'm trying to figure out like, what was the intention?
Marc:He's like, I'm going to, I'm going to make a million bucks.
Marc:It's a good point.
Guest:I would have to, you know, the problem is my memories of that are from the perspective of a seven, eight, nine year old.
Guest:So I, you know,
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But looking back on it, I mean, do you think do you think it was, you know, it was because he had like it was you.
Marc:He was so narcissistic that you were all just an extension of his desire to succeed in what he chose.
Guest:There's that possibility.
Guest:I also feel like they were just drowning in kids and life.
Guest:What they my parents sort of life was when I remember it was they had this very, very small apartment.
Guest:It was a real railroad department.
Guest:Is that what they call them?
Marc:Right.
Marc:All the way through.
Guest:No separating doors except for the bathroom.
Guest:And the door didn't properly shut all the way.
Guest:And there was no shower, just like a rusted tub.
Marc:So literally no boundaries, emotional or physical.
Guest:This is an apartment that is barely suitable for a couple.
Guest:And they put seven kids in it.
Guest:They slept on a mattress on the floor next to the crib.
Guest:And then the next section of the apartment was four bunk beds that house six of the other kids and then the kitchen.
Guest:And it was like, and I've seen pictures of it when I see like childhood pictures, like, oh, look how cute.
Guest:Oh, birthday.
Guest:God, this place is filthy.
Guest:But like, I can't blame my mom.
Guest:When is she going to have time?
Guest:And I say my mom because I don't call my dad ever cleaning.
Guest:My mom, like she worked nights.
Guest:She would work all night.
Guest:At this answering service, sometimes she would bring a kid with her, like the baby, and then come home in the morning, get the kids and husband ready, husband to work, kids to school, and then the younger kids, some nursing, the others she's looking after, and try to clean the place.
Guest:And then I just don't think she slept for several years.
Guest:Because you do that and then go to work at night.
Guest:And then I think my father was, I think the only thing he ever really did was acting, and that didn't really work.
Guest:And then I think at one point, he's quite literally drowning in his life.
Guest:I don't know if it was like, well, you know, sometimes people on the farm put their young kids to work because they just need some help.
Guest:It could have been like, I don't know how to feed you guys, so just help for food.
Guest:It really could have just been that.
Yeah.
Guest:My mom said they could never afford rent for the last like two months of the year.
Guest:And I think the landlord or whatever just would let it go because he basically saw their life and was like, yeah, if I called child services, they would just take your kids away.
Marc:They would have, right?
Guest:Probably.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Why'd they have so many?
Marc:I mean, why didn't anyone put a stop to that?
Guest:Yeah, someone get it.
Guest:Don't put your dick in that.
Guest:Who's going to stop?
Marc:Whose place is it?
Marc:You're 37 and you have one.
Marc:How the fuck?
Marc:Unless they're Orthodox Jews or crazy Catholics, I don't know how someone has seven fucking kids.
Guest:I don't know either.
Guest:I guess nothing else to do, but...
Guest:smoke pot and bone i i don't know like and we did go to catholic school but we weren't really like very religious i think we did that because my father was able to get some sort of hookup like he worked for the church and that's his kids were able to go to that school oh okay so oh so he was brought up catholic that guy i guess yeah but again we weren't very religious unless it was like easter and i mean all for some reason to the fucking mass or whatever would you character were they like hippie guys was he a hippie guy i guess so kind of yeah
Marc:I just can't fathom it.
Marc:So many kids.
Marc:It's like he created this kind of like weird little actor sweatshop child labor thing.
Guest:Because, again, I don't really know.
Guest:So it's me trying to piece it together.
Guest:It was because he was sort of in that world, even though he hadn't worked for a few years.
Guest:Neighbor friends were running like an off-off Broadway theater company on the Upper East Side.
Guest:And whenever they needed a kid, they would think like, oh, well, these guys, they have like seven of them.
Guest:Like, what age do you want?
Guest:What gender?
Guest:Just fucking pick one.
Guest:You want two, three?
Guest:Take them.
Guest:Here's another study.
Guest:And so I think it sort of started like that.
Guest:And then if I remember, my father just had a camera and the...
Guest:took our headshots out in the park one day with my brother Mac.
Guest:There's some with him with glasses.
Guest:He doesn't wear glasses.
Guest:But it was just like to do these... He can play a kid with glasses.
Guest:I don't know if we went to open call auditions or what, but I do remember...
Guest:going into auditions and my father kind of coaching me on like what to say or what to do like walk in and hand you the headshot even though that wasn't what you were supposed to do but they thought that was so adorable for a six-year-old to like hand over his resume and headshot so how old were you when like uh when mac got the the big gig um yeah uh poof seven i think
Marc:god damn man i can't imagine i can't imagine the shift after that fucking thing hit for everybody i mean it must have been crazy because that was like all over the place i mean it obviously put the zap on his head a little bit but i mean just as the rest of the family i mean it was all over the place yeah it was it was nuts um and it was able to sort of register that and understand it but also you know
Guest:You're still a kid.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I remember thinking the house we lived in was huge because, and I thought I was lucky because I had a trunk of toys, you know, and then, um,
Guest:Suddenly we're moving into a brownstone.
Guest:We're like, how did this happen?
Guest:People can live.
Guest:Holy shit.
Guest:Oh, he's hosting Saturday Night Live.
Marc:Cool.
Marc:It's crazy.
Marc:And you do it.
Marc:Wait.
Marc:So when was the first time you were like, that was you were like, how did it work?
Marc:Was it because I know that at some point all you guys had the same agent.
Marc:Is that how it worked?
Guest:Probably.
Guest:I mean, my father tried to like get everybody a different.
Guest:times like into the business and some just like would not like I remember my sister Cody like basically the equivalent of like clutching onto the doorway like don't make me audition like she just wouldn't do it and my brother Chris was sort of the same way but he sort of pushed all of us a little bit my brother Shane was on Broadway as a kid in our town um and so he sort of had that trajectory at a young age and it was
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:My wife told me that she saw me on the cover of a DVD and saw my name.
Guest:She goes, oh, I guess he's trying to act now.
Guest:He's trying to jump on the bandwagon.
Guest:I'm like, actually, I've been doing it for the same amount of time.
Guest:But that's a fair...
Marc:sort of assessment but like my i guess my question was was it sort of like a you know when when one of you would get a part if they needed a brother or a sister they'd be like we got we got the real ones you want yeah like my brother rory plays like a younger version of me in a movie and a younger version of mac in a movie
Guest:He also plays Mac's younger brother in a movie.
Guest:He's played younger brother in a movie.
Guest:He and I play brothers.
Guest:Yeah, there's things like that.
Guest:My brother Chris and I play brothers in a movie.
Guest:There was a lot of like, hey, look no further.
Guest:You can get two for one here.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But what is it?
Marc:Did any of you guys really?
Marc:Because it seems like you all fit on screen pretty well, or the three that I can draw to memory of you.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it seems to be a genetic thing for some people.
Marc:I don't, I don't know how it works because how were you guys really trained?
Marc:Any of you?
Guest:No, no, I've never, I, it was one of those.
Guest:It wasn't until I was like in my thirties, I would say when I finally gave up on the thought of, I'm probably going to go to school for this.
Guest:I kept thinking like, maybe I should learn how to do what I'm,
Guest:what I've been doing for the last 15 years.
Guest:And eventually I just went, I guess I'm already doing it.
Guest:It's fine.
Marc:That was, and you were doing it at a pretty high level.
Marc:Yeah, I guess.
Marc:What do you think?
Marc:Like, if you think about it, what,
Marc:Why is it so natural?
Marc:I mean, I don't know if that's a question that's answerable.
Marc:Is it?
Marc:I mean, because Macaulay didn't take classes either, did he?
Guest:No, nobody in the family did any of that stuff.
Marc:What the fuck?
Marc:When you were kids, what were you doing?
Marc:Was it performative?
Marc:Did you guys go to school or anything?
Guest:Yeah, definitely went to school.
Guest:To me, it's funny because it feels...
Marc:like a normal childhood even though if i look back on it it probably wasn't but i don't really know what normal fucking means anyway um yeah i mean unless you were like i think that most people think their childhood is okay unless there's trauma you know what i mean that's what seems to fuck up people's memory it's like it was pretty good except for the time i got locked in a closet for a week by my grandfather you know what i mean
Guest:And that could actually ruin the entire childhood.
Guest:I've talked to people.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:They tell me one experience they had and I'm like, oh, that actually ruined their entire childhood.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It just corrupted their memory of it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Definitely.
Guest:I had a nice childhood.
Marc:There were so many kids.
Marc:I mean, you didn't have to go out and find friends.
Marc:You just walked down the hall.
Guest:That's exactly right.
Guest:There was always someone to play with, but there were friends at school.
Guest:School was fun.
Guest:Summers were fun.
Guest:I actually liked being on set.
Guest:The only part that was ever hard was like, if I was shooting something as a, when I was nine, like shooting, I was in Father the Bride, like in LA at the Sheridan Universal Hotel, which is a box of a room that I was sharing with my dad for like three months.
Guest:And I was like, the set is fun.
Guest:This little pillbox of a room is not.
Guest:They gave you a shit room.
Guest:I recently talked to Nancy Meyers.
Guest:She's like, I'm sorry about that.
Guest:I was like, that's not your fault.
Guest:Let's put up in a hotel.
Guest:That's fine.
Guest:I was nine.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My little Ziploc bag of toys, which sounds really sad now.
Guest:I think about it.
Guest:Ziploc bag of toys.
Marc:Well, that hotel is like not by anything.
Marc:I mean, like, I don't even know what was the theme park was, I guess, open by that point.
Marc:But I know that hotel.
Marc:They used to put you up there.
Marc:Universal used to put you up there, right?
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And that was because it was right near the studio.
Guest:And it's not like I'm nine.
Guest:Like, I'm not going to like, where's the New Year's coffee shop?
Guest:Like, I don't care.
Marc:But was your dad difficult to live with for three months?
Guest:He doesn't.
Guest:He was the kind of guy who doesn't really bathe.
Guest:And, you know, one of those guys who it's like you try to tell him he stinks.
Guest:He's like, I smell human.
Yeah.
Guest:which doesn't make, just bathe every now and again.
Guest:My mom has a memory, because he actually would, it sounds like, he just wouldn't bathe, maybe about once a year, he would take a bath.
Marc:Come on.
Guest:No, that's actually true, he just didn't bathe.
Guest:So he took a bath in the apartment once while we were all at school, and my sister Cody, she was a teenager, she walked in, my mom was there, she walked in, smelled the air, and went, ew, did dad take a bath?
Ew.
Guest:And I remember seeing there would be layers of film, like dirt film on the side of the tub.
Guest:Come on.
Guest:Just an offensive man.
Guest:I think it was a little bit like, say something.
Guest:Yeah, I know I stink.
Guest:And I'm waiting in line right next to you.
Guest:Say something.
Guest:I dare you.
Marc:I mean, you're sort of explaining a guy that clearly wasn't taking his acting career too seriously.
Marc:I mean, you can't really go into an audition and have the people go like, what just happened in here?
Marc:What does that stink?
Guest:He would be really great as the homeless guy.
Guest:Maybe that's what he was going for.
Guest:My mom says when she met him and asked what he did, he said an actor.
Guest:And she immediately said she looked at his teeth and thought he must be lying.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:This guy seemed like he needed help.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He had teeth growing and sideways.
Guest:They were yellow and falling out.
Guest:He was also afraid of the dentist.
Marc:What the fuck?
Marc:This is fun.
Marc:I haven't, like, talked about him in a while.
Marc:It sounds like you're describing this weird, you know, like, hermit that, you know, you all had to deal with.
Guest:Yeah, I guess.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's funny now because it's like now I'm a dad.
Guest:I'm like, you know what?
Guest:I must not be doing such a bad job.
Guest:I at least shower every day.
Guest:I take care of my teeth.
Marc:You don't talk to that guy at all?
Guest:No, no.
Guest:He came to see... I did a play... What the hell was it?
Guest:I was going to say fucking six years ago, I think.
Guest:This is our youth.
Guest:It was Broadway.
Guest:He came to see that.
Guest:And I hadn't seen him at that point for...
Guest:like 17 years or something like that and he came backstage and it was about a year after his stroke um and last time i saw him i was little so i just didn't know like you know to me he was still tall um he had to climb up three flights of stairs to come see me he was like 70 survived the stroke and the first thing i said when i saw him was like holy shit you really let yourself get old and dead serious he was like leaning on a cane or an umbrella or some shit he's like i did kieran i did
Marc:That's the fucking thing about the and I'm assuming he's narcissistic.
Marc:It's like they're they're always going to like immediately try to suck you into their sadness.
Guest:Yeah, I actually thought it was kind of fun and he didn't.
Guest:uh yeah because i think he he is one of those people i think you're right he kind of wants people to feel bad for him you know he tried to like really leaning on stuff and i was like sit down or don't like and he hasn't like he he hasn't started pestering you because you have a kid he doesn't want to see the kid he doesn't want i'm not sure that he knows how to contact us really like i was in a show so he knew he can go to that theater um but i don't oh really so he's really out of the loop oh yeah he has been forever yeah
Guest:Um, my brother Shane has some sort of loose contact with him, so sometimes, like, I got a letter from him after that, uh, that I still haven't read, actually, that I forgot about until just now.
Guest:Um,
Guest:that he sent to my brother Shane.
Guest:So there's a little bit of contact.
Guest:So you can probably find out.
Guest:I don't know if he knows a kid, if he's a grandpa.
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:You know, my father, my brother has kids and he doesn't seem to really, doesn't seem to move him much.
Marc:You know, it's not changing him in any way.
Marc:He doesn't feel like he has to go spend time with the kids.
Marc:You got to figure if they were shitty fathers, maybe they'll be a good grandparent or maybe they just won't give a shit.
Guest:Yeah, I don't know.
Guest:I guess I just don't have, never had any expectations of that.
Guest:Like, sometimes you think that certain people are going to go crazy.
Guest:Like, we had a kid.
Guest:And you think, like, all my siblings are going to be like, that's amazing.
Guest:But really, some of them are like, oh, cool, congratulations.
Guest:So what do you do?
Guest:How's work?
Guest:How's the, you know?
Guest:And some are just like crazy about like my brother Chris is like crazy about his niece.
Guest:That's nice.
Guest:Really enthusiastic.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And others are like, oh, she's really cute.
Guest:How are you?
Guest:Like, you know, I don't know.
Marc:It must be weird to to grow up in a specific way that you did.
Marc:I guess you would know how all your siblings feel about children or about their childhood.
Marc:But what was it that – did you all connect around something?
Marc:Did you have something you all did?
Marc:Because it sounds like given your mother's busy all the time in a way and your dad's kind of self-involved and smelly, what did you guys do for fun at home?
Guest:Like everything, all the same thing.
Guest:There was sort of a wolf pack mentality a bit.
Guest:I think I watched some home –
Guest:videos that I found like right when the lockdown started.
Guest:I remember there was like a video we had of St.
Guest:Patrick's Day.
Guest:So this was like right around St.
Guest:Patrick's Day.
Guest:So I tried to look at that.
Guest:Ended up watching all this home video stuff and
Guest:It would be like we'd all be at the water park and, you know, there's seven of us.
Guest:So it would always be like one was making sure the other one was here and there.
Guest:And it was like we were all taking care of each other and looking after each other.
Guest:And there was always my mom was always holding one baby and the other one was like latched to her.
Guest:And the one that was just a little too old was maybe being held by the oldest brother.
Guest:And there was that kind of thing.
Guest:So it's funny because like it is like we're the only ones who understand
Guest:our whatever our weird situation was right and it like i think my wife says sometimes she feels like the third wheel of like my sister comes around or something because she just can't quite get in there with what sort of oh you guys are locked in yeah but we did like i remember having a nice childhood it was just like playing it was fun like i still like you know like if we get together we'll still play the same old nintendo games and stuff we used to play back then oh really you have them
Guest:Oh, I have.
Guest:I'm apparently the collector.
Guest:When they outgrow the Super Nintendo, I get it and get the games.
Guest:I have everybody's old toys and game systems and shit.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:And you kind of pull them out when people come over?
Guest:Yeah, actually, I kind of play them by myself a lot, too.
Guest:Baby goes to sleep.
Marc:Aren't you guys all wrestling freaks, too?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:That's, yeah.
Guest:Big, big wrestling fan.
Guest:And I've been the one that's been consistently a wrestling fan, whereas the others have sort of been in and out.
Guest:But they're kind of obsessive.
Marc:How long have you been into the wrestling?
Yeah.
Guest:Since, let's see, WrestleMania V, probably, when the Mega Powers collided.
Guest:The mid-'80s, I would say, mid to late-'80s.
Guest:And then when the Ultimate Warriors, his rise to fame, when he took on Hulk Hogan when it was champion.
Guest:WrestleMania VI, of course.
Marc:Were all you guys into it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then, one by one, my brother Shane, I think, when he was probably something like 13, there was a character named The Undertaker who showed up.
Guest:And I remember him looking at the cover of WWF magazine.
Guest:He goes, are we supposed to believe that this man is actually dead?
Guest:This is stupid.
Guest:And he threw down the magazine and that was his exit from wrestling.
Guest:Like he felt like his intelligence was being insulted.
Marc:That was the line, huh?
Marc:You're not going to, there are no zombies.
Guest:yeah he's undead there's a guy carries an urn and that's his source of power this is stupid what do you like what do you think you what do you think locked you into it do you just like the spectacle of it or the stories favorite form of escape um uh really there's nothing there's i've never watched a wrestling so sometimes i'll watch a tv show
Guest:And I can't fully escape.
Guest:I watch wrestling and I'll never go, oh, that's exactly like what I'm dealing with in my life.
Guest:There's just never, oh, I really relate to this character because his struggles are like, it just will never be that.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And it's a lot, you actually probably know this because I was going to ask you, have you been watching wrestling since your show?
Marc:Not really.
Marc:You know, I've talked to wrestlers over the years.
Marc:Like, you know, I've interviewed, you know, we used to have Mick Foley.
Guest:Mick Foley is amazing, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, because he used to, when I used to do political radio over at Air America, you know, he's a very active guy.
Marc:He does a lot of causes and a real sweet guy.
Marc:But, you know, he walks in.
Marc:He's huge.
Marc:He lumbers in.
Marc:He's just beaten.
Marc:He's almost disfigured most of the time.
Marc:He's hobbled.
Yeah.
Marc:But but he was a real deal using an ear and a few teeth.
Marc:But in terms of the show, in terms of research, it was never my thing as a as a kid.
Marc:But I did learn from these guys.
Marc:And I also talked to Colt Cabana Colt Cabana, who does that kind of old school kind of retro independent wrestling, which is like no frills.
Guest:The story is within the match, whereas what you watch on TV, it's episodic, it's a soap opera, and you get a story that leads to the match, whereas if you go to an indie show, the story is being told without words, just in the ring with the wrestling match.
Marc:Yeah, so I learned about that stuff, and I talked to Chavo, the guy who trains the girls.
Marc:And his uncle was a big wrestler guy.
Marc:So I talked to them on set, but, you know, and I learned about the heel and I learned about the dynamics of it.
Marc:And I had to in the last season, I did a little reffing, but it was never my thing.
Marc:But I certainly understand and respect it, because before I did Glow, I would dismiss it.
Marc:And, you know, that's problematic because relatively smart people like yourself and my producer enjoy the wrestling.
Guest:Yeah, it's really easy to take a look because people's memories of it are still from the 80s.
Guest:These really coked up, ripped guys going, scream at the camera!
Guest:And like...
Guest:No one guy was actually a garbage man who was a wrestler.
Guest:Like it was just like kind of horseshit silliness in the 80s.
Guest:And it's easy to look at that and just see that and think that it's stupid.
Guest:But it's a lot less choreographed than people think.
Guest:It's a live performance sometimes in front of 20,000 people and on live television where they know the result, but they don't quite know how they're going to get there.
Guest:And you see them with like the thing that really interests people when they don't know it is like the referee has little, you know,
Guest:thing in his ear talking to a director in the back giving notes to them and making adjustments these are real athletes in a fake sport doing you know plays without words it's kind of amazing with but when it's shit it's like the most embarrassing thing there are so many times weekly where i'm embarrassed to be a wrestling fan right yeah because it's just like that's not the stuff we like they think we like this crap i want to see the wrestling like for example
Guest:just the soap opera aspect of like i don't know like you stole my girl or something sometimes the writers run out of ideas i had a feed once where somebody accidentally spilled coffee on the other so he beat him up and that was how that's how they started to feud it was just stupid
Marc:Or when it becomes more about the, you'd rather they do the acting without talking and just through wrestling as opposed to actually acting.
Guest:Yeah, stop it already.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like, just fight.
Guest:Like, okay, I get it.
Guest:I actually fast forward now.
Guest:I'm like, oh, okay, so these guys are going to start having a feud.
Guest:Okay, and I'll just fast forward until the match happens.
Guest:Like, shut up.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Colt Cabana, I'll be enough in practice to change it after this podcast, but Colt Cabana is actually mine and my wife's safe room.
Yeah.
Marc:Is that true?
Guest:That's actually true.
Marc:Well, there you go.
Marc:I'm sure he'll be flattered somehow.
Marc:And yet it's good that you chose two words, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Well, that's interesting.
Marc:So we can go from there to your relationship with with J. Smith Cameron on Succession.
Marc:So from wrestling to the safe word to the interesting sexual dynamic that you have with that character who, you know, very well.
Marc:I mean, she's she's married to to Kenny Lonergan.
Marc:And you guys how how did that relationship start with you and Kenneth Lonergan?
Guest:Well, he did a movie You Can Count on Me.
Guest:in 99 or 2000 that my brother Rory is.
Guest:So again, it's all like in the family.
Marc:So he played the son, right?
Marc:I just watched that again.
Guest:You can count on me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He's, he's the son.
Guest:He's Lord Lenny's son.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Spectacular fricking movie.
Guest:And, um, my mom likes to credit, you know, uh, her herself slash Rory with the fact that that like right after that, Kenny and Jay had a kid.
Guest:She's like, I knew it.
Guest:He wanted to hang out with his, this kid.
Guest:Now he wanted to get his own.
Guest:It's probably just not true at all.
Guest:But I remember him being around like, you know,
Guest:take Rory out and play dates and stuff like that.
Guest:So then I started working with him on This Is Our Youth.
Guest:I did like four productions of that play over the course of like 12 years.
Guest:Oh, I was going to mention him earlier because he was one who said, after he had his daughter, I said, you know, I was given my reasons for not wanting to have a kid.
Guest:And I said, but isn't it like you don't get to do the stuff that you want?
Guest:And he goes, yeah, that's true.
Guest:But your wants change.
Guest:Like, for example, I'm having a nice time hanging out with you, but I'd much rather be home with my daughter.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It was a way of saying, can we wrap this up?
Guest:I'm done talking.
Guest:But yeah, so I know I've known him for years and Jay.
Guest:I mean, Jay got cast in the show.
Guest:I was really pumped about it.
Guest:Also, her character was initially written to be a man.
Guest:and she came in and auditioned, and they liked her.
Marc:Oh, it's great.
Marc:And weren't you going in for some other character?
Guest:It was sent to me to read for Cousin Greg, but I just was not at all that guy.
Guest:Firstly, I saw that it was like Greg, 26.
Guest:I was like 35 or some shit at the time.
Guest:And I'm like, okay, I'm too old for this, and I'm not the guy.
Guest:But I liked the script enough to just keep reading.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And saw the...
Guest:character roman was like oh shit well apparently they weren't even reading romans at that time i just said uh well can i just put myself on tape anyway so just picked like three scenes and sent it and that's how it went down yeah they weren't even like looking at romans yet they were doing it in a certain order i guess
Marc:So with Lonergan, because I've talked to him and he's, you know, a very intelligent, thoughtful guy and obviously a genius writer of theater.
Marc:I mean, is that relationship?
Marc:Did you find that that was educational for you, having done all those plays with him?
Marc:Did he direct you many times as a child or was it just the writing?
Guest:Well, I mean, it was I think the first time I worked with him, I was 20, 19 or 20.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:He didn't direct me in that.
Guest:I had a very small part in his movie, Margaret.
Marc:Yeah, that was good.
Marc:You like the stoner boyfriend?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And that was one where I really wanted that part, and he wanted me for another one.
Guest:This was before I knew him well, but he was getting frustrated that I wouldn't audition for the part he wanted me to play, and I just really wanted to audition for the other part.
Guest:And it was one of those, like, I'll let you audition for both, but I'm never going to cast you as that.
Guest:And I said, fine, I'll audition for both, but I'll never play that.
Guest:So it was eventually like a back and forth.
Guest:He eventually just offered me that other part.
Guest:And I said, no, let me audition for this one.
Guest:It took a lot of convincing.
Guest:Same with This Is Our Youth.
Guest:Like, he told me eventually, like, he didn't want me to be cast as the part I ended up playing on Broadway because I wasn't tall.
Guest:And that part's supposed to be tall.
Guest:That took a lot of, you know, convincing.
Guest:But he's...
Guest:I'm definitely a fucking genius, and I think he's probably the best writer I've worked with.
Guest:Working with him, it has taught me a lot, but it's been so different from what I'm doing on Succession because Kenny will tell you you missed the comma in that sentence.
Guest:And I'll be like, well, so what?
Guest:I think it flows better like this.
Guest:And he's like, put the comma in.
Guest:You put the comma in and it just changes the whole scene.
Guest:And he's right.
Guest:Like, you know, you drop an uh in the middle of a sentence and the line doesn't work the same.
Guest:It doesn't have the same meaning.
Guest:So he's right.
Guest:He's ridiculous about how his words are to be said because he knows, you know.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So that's what I'm used to.
Guest:And then again, I'm a show of succession where the writing is brilliant and I'll say something.
Guest:Sorry, I forgot to put the uh in the middle.
Guest:And they're like, fuck it.
Guest:Do whatever you want.
Guest:It's fine.
Marc:I was just talking to a friend of mine about succession, and they were kind of like, but I had the same thing, too.
Marc:It was like, oh, I don't really like any of the people.
Marc:And it's like, well, you will, because this is not a real landscape.
Marc:This is a satire, and the language is elevated.
Marc:And eventually, because of the language, which is sort of neutered from regular human emotions, you'll find yourself sympathizing with these people that are locked in these traps of this fucking wealth and privilege.
Guest:that's because i haven't figured out what it is that makes me like attach these the thing is i had the exact same thing when i was reading the scripts and while we were shooting like one two three four five episodes into shooting and reading the scripts i was thinking i mean i can tell this is good quality the writing is great um i feel like we're doing a good job but i don't know who the hell is going to want to watch this show
Guest:Somewhere around shooting like episode six, I came home and my wife said, how was work?
Guest:And I said, I think it's good.
Guest:She's like, really?
Guest:That's the first time I heard you say that.
Marc:And I was like, yeah, I think we might have something here.
Marc:The thing about succession, I think that what happens is,
Marc:Is that somehow or another, I don't know who those guys are, but the language of it is specific and it's calculated and it's designed.
Marc:That what I started to realize about it is that these people don't talk like this, but this is about power.
Marc:So like all this language, all these jokes, all this sort of sarcasm.
Marc:is about power.
Marc:And these are still human beings trapped in this language.
Marc:And that starts to, I think, come out a few episodes in.
Guest:I think it is natural language for them.
Guest:I think this is what they were, like, especially the siblings, they grew up around this kind of language.
Guest:So this is normal for them.
Marc:I guess you'd have to think that as an actor, but I still see it as like there is an element of an exercise to it.
Marc:Because like if you watch your character or any of the kids that when they do actually have emotions within this language, you know, you feel the intensity of it so much more because you're like, oh, look, look, there's a person in there.
Guest:It's funny because when they do get sort of emotional, they stumble on their words and they kind of almost don't know what to say because they can't put up the wall of the bullshit language that they learn.
Guest:Like Kendall gets really upset and starts going, I'll chop your dick off and get an octopus jerk off your... He just can't get it out because he's upset.
Marc:Right.
Marc:What's it like working with that guy?
Guest:Oh, here we go.
Guest:I'm going to just talk a bunch of shit about my fellow actors.
Marc:Well, it seems like they're all pretty solid.
Guest:Everybody's great.
Guest:It's crazy.
Guest:Everyone just has a different process.
Guest:It's not just the actors, but it really has this feel.
Guest:This is going to sound like they want me to say this shit.
Guest:This is just what it actually is.
Guest:This is a real, actual dream job because it
Guest:Everybody that shows up on set, everybody in every department has come together to try to really make this thing because they believe in it.
Guest:So it really does feel like a collaborative effort.
Guest:So what I'm doing or what we need with like the other actors, we were creating something with everyone else.
Guest:This is not like an every man for himself kind of.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So it's pretty, it's pretty fantastic.
Guest:And everybody has like a really different process, you know, and that to me has been a lot of fun too.
Marc:Like how?
Guest:Well, like my process has sort of changed a bit because of this show where I like, oh, you asked me earlier about like, I forget what you asked me about because I'm only half listening.
Guest:I'm just using it as a springboard start.
Marc:I understand.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Not a problem.
Marc:Happens all the time.
Guest:That's all this is.
Guest:It's like, I should probably ask you some things, but you know what?
Guest:This is a chance for me to talk about myself for now.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Would you please take the opportunity?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:To talk about yourself as an actor.
Yeah.
Guest:Since I've been doing it as a little kid, there's things like I learn my lines really fast because I've been doing that.
Guest:I have that muscle memory from being a very young kid.
Guest:I can hit a mark without ever looking down, or I don't even know where they put it down.
Guest:I'll just end up there.
Guest:These kind of weird little things.
Guest:So I...
Guest:On this show, I learned my lines like the morning of.
Guest:I don't even look at them.
Guest:I look at them like very briefly.
Guest:I glance at them once or twice and go, okay, I think I've known a scene.
Guest:And then we just sort of figure it out on the fly.
Guest:Mine is a little more like...
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Not at all planned.
Guest:I know what the words are.
Guest:Let's see what the room looks like.
Guest:Let's see what the other actor does, and let's throw some shit at it and play.
Guest:And then someone like Jay wants to basically talk about her everything.
Guest:She comes from theater a lot, so she wants to talk about why her character does something and what the scene means and where it's going.
Guest:I just don't want to think about.
Marc:What about Jeremy?
Guest:Jeremy...
Guest:Jeremy, he's a little more, it's a little more complex because a lot of people just immediately say he's method and he would say that he's not, but I don't know, for all intents and purposes, I feel like he kind of is, but the things he doesn't want to know sometimes
Guest:You know, he doesn't want to know if the other actor is going to do blank.
Guest:That would mess him up.
Guest:Sometimes he doesn't want you to say certain words, like don't call it a scene or things like that.
Guest:So it can be pretty particular sometimes.
Guest:And then usually what my job is, this is to sort of like poke fun at him and try to break down that little wall.
Guest:I was like, oh, I'm sorry, this scene, in this scene that we're going to rehearse and then shoot because it's a fucking TV show.
Guest:Like, I like to do that to him sometimes.
Guest:How does he respond to that?
Guest:Sometimes, well, so if Kendall is in a really good place, then Jeremy is in a much more sort of like, we're going to bebop and scat this scene kind of thing.
Guest:And if Kendall's in a dark place, then it's very much don't talk to him.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So that has its own challenges too.
Guest:But again, I've been doing this for over 30 years, so it's like learning people's processes and how to respect them.
Guest:Sometimes for me, it's a lot more fun when...
Guest:Another actor walks in a room, like, Snook and I have done a few scenes where we kind of know the lines, but the scene sort of changes and develops because we just throw different things at each other.
Guest:And, like, you know, I slapped her once and she put me in a headlock.
Guest:Like, we just sort of came up with that.
Guest:And that kind of stuff is fun because we're just trying to, like, play with each other.
Guest:And so with Jeremy, sometimes it's a little less like a, sometimes it can be if it's appropriate for his character.
Guest:And sometimes he's like, he's put himself in a bubble and I have to work with that.
Guest:I just have to approach it from sort of a different angle.
Marc:But you don't mind.
Guest:No, the result is usually like good.
Guest:It just, it's like,
Guest:You know, I can't approach it the way that I otherwise would sort of like, but I adjusted to it and we figured out how to work that way.
Marc:What about working with Brian?
Guest:Brian is a freaking dream.
Guest:He and Snook are the furthest from their characters.
Guest:Like Brian is about the most approachable man.
Guest:He's like a big cuddly teddy bear.
Marc:Yeah, I interviewed him.
Marc:I love him.
Marc:He's a real sweetheart.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:For this show or was it a couple of years ago or what?
Marc:No, no, it was not that long ago.
Marc:It was for when he was up for what was he?
Marc:The last awards, maybe the Globes, probably before the Globes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So like within the last six months.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, he's he's really fantastic.
Guest:He's a guy that can sort of just like turn it on.
Guest:So Matthew McFadden is this way, too.
Guest:where you can just be chit-chat, chit-chat, action, and then they're just in that character without seemingly any effort whatsoever.
Marc:Well, I think that it's that weird kind of British training.
Marc:I guess.
Marc:I mean, some of it.
Marc:Well, Snook is from Australia, but it seems like there's something about certain people the way they... Well, it's like that...
Marc:Dumb old story you hear about Olivier and Hoffman on the set of Marathon Man.
Marc:You know, I mean, it just seems like some of the training that the English stage actors have, they're there.
Marc:They can just it's a job.
Marc:And it's like, I know the guy.
Marc:I can be the guy right now, you know.
Guest:Well, so here's the thing when it comes to like, you know, so Jeremy's process versus like, say, Brian or Matthew is as long as we're getting the result, who gives a shit, right?
Marc:Right.
Guest:Like, just sometimes I've heard of people that do make things very heavy and our kind of method.
Guest:And then you watch the movie, you go, well, what the hell?
Guest:What was all that work for?
Guest:That's not that great.
Guest:Like, this is why you make this up.
Guest:And everybody on the show is so supportive of everybody else that like, it's not like,
Marc:you know oh jeremy's being a burden or whatever he has a very specific process that sometimes requires a little like adjustment which is fine because we want you want to help him out sure and it's like you know you're all i mean actors in general are fucking weirdos and you never know what the hell is going to happen and you know you're on a set and you're like what's wrong with that guy it's like i don't know he's that guy and i'm like all right well well i guess he'll go sit in his trailer and do whatever he's got to do then
Guest:Yeah, and nobody's a shitty guy either.
Guest:I think it would be one thing if somebody was being method and very demanding, and then on top of that, they were just a prick or something.
Marc:I guess that really happens.
Marc:I haven't been acting that long in any professional way, so most of my life has been stand-up.
Marc:But when I hear stories about certain people, it's just so fucking amazing to me.
Marc:But you've been doing it 30 years, so you probably had to work with real fucking assholes.
Guest:I don't really...
Guest:think i have really not that's good i've gotten kind of lucky with that um i've had like
Guest:A couple of directors in theater that have sort of butted heads with.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But that's kind of it.
Marc:But I just mean the kind of actors are like, well, he's not going to come out of his trailer.
Marc:Like somebody who makes an entire cast, an entire set, wait two hours because for no reason.
Guest:I did.
Guest:I did a movie as like a teenager and Meryl Streep with Meryl Streep.
Guest:She was called to the set last.
Guest:And she was like, oh, is everyone waiting for me?
Guest:And in a very polite way, she turned to the AD and said, could you just please make sure that never happens again?
Guest:I don't want anybody waiting for me.
Guest:Call me when you call everybody else.
Guest:And it was, like, really nice.
Guest:And I remember I learned from that.
Guest:Like, okay, cool.
Guest:Because she's number one on the call.
Guest:She's the whole reason this movie is happening.
Guest:And she does not want special treatment.
Guest:Don't do that.
Guest:And I remember Steve Martin doing the same as a kid, too.
Guest:I learned that as a kid.
Guest:Like, oh, you can be...
Guest:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:I just I don't know what I don't know the type of person that just knows that they're making someone wait and it's not important that they do it, but they're going to fucking do it anyways.
Marc:Like, I don't know what that is.
Marc:Why are people shitty sometimes?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Like, why are there shitty people?
Marc:No, but I mean, I've been shitty, but not in that way.
Marc:You know, it's sort of like, I want to get there and be shitty.
Marc:You know, I don't need people waiting for me to be shitty.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I think people just want to swing their fucking dick.
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:That's probably right.
Guest:The need years of therapy to find out it's because they were bullied as a kid.
Guest:Now they're going to just bully everyone else and be a dick.
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:Well, yeah, I mean, well, that's I mean, that's it.
Marc:I mean, as many people as I've been around and as you know, and I've been a bully and I've been bullied.
Marc:I know both sides of that.
Marc:But there's still like.
Marc:Given the world we're living in, in this particular president and everything else and all the craven motherfuckers that want to be loyal to him, even though he can't be loyal to anybody, there's still part of the human psyche that I don't fucking get.
Marc:I don't understand how these people fucking live with themselves.
Marc:But they've been written about.
Marc:Your show has a certain element of that.
Marc:It's Shakespearean.
Marc:It's Greek.
Marc:It's been around.
Marc:It's been people since the beginning of people.
Marc:But I don't get it.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I know.
Guest:And do you ever like try?
Guest:Have you ever like been?
Guest:I've had a couple experiences where I'll be at a bar and the guy just says something that's either like really racist or something.
Guest:And I was like, oh, I'm going to pretend that that's not really offensive.
Guest:And I'm just going to sort of talk to this person to try to understand them.
Guest:I've had that a couple of times.
Guest:And it's interesting because it gives me a better understanding of where they come from.
Guest:But then I still think, but you're...
Guest:You're still just a shitty person.
Guest:There's like a certain, I think my godfather said something too.
Guest:Like, you know, he goes, he says, I just can't listen to anybody who complains about their childhood after the age of 30.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, like at this point, figure it out.
Guest:So there's people like, you know, I had a conversation with a guy in a bar years ago, but he was like 25, 26 and he didn't believe in gay marriage.
Guest:And I just talked to him about it.
Guest:And I wanted to hear his point.
Guest:His point didn't make any sense.
Guest:So instead of being like, you're an idiot and your point doesn't make any sense, I this is actually kind of one of those things.
Guest:I don't want it to come off as like bragging, but I changed his mind in the conversation.
Guest:Because his logic just sort of didn't make sense, but he thought he was coming from a good place.
Guest:He was like, no, no, it's okay.
Guest:He was saying, I think if gay people get married, this is literally what he said.
Guest:He goes, I think if gay people start getting married, it sort of promotes it.
Guest:And then people that might not have come out of the closet are now going to come out of the closet.
Guest:And that means there's going to be more gay people.
Guest:And I said, okay, now can I ask you what's wrong with that?
Guest:And he said, well, I think as Americans, it's our job.
Guest:to create more Americans.
Guest:Other countries are procreating, and we're just not making as many babies.
Guest:And if there's a lot of more gay people out there getting married, they're just not making babies.
Guest:And I'm like, okay, that's interesting.
Guest:So your issue is that you want more Americans to be made?
Guest:And he said, yeah.
Guest:And I said, so my wife and I have decided that we don't want to have kids.
Guest:And he went, uh-huh.
Guest:And I said, so do you have an issue with straight people not having kids?
Guest:And he was like, no.
Guest:And I just sort of looked at him like this.
Guest:And he went, no, that's interesting.
Guest:That's a, yeah, you know what?
Guest:That's really a good point.
Guest:I hadn't thought about that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, yeah, why shouldn't they get married?
Guest:I guess that's sort of, hey, man, this was a really good talk.
Guest:Yeah, you too.
Guest:And I walked away going, was it really that simple?
Guest:You just need to talk to one person about his logic?
Guest:Like, that's it?
Yeah.
Marc:I think that sometimes that is it, depending on, you know, like if it's based on them, if it's based on an intellectual fault, like, you know, some people have real feelings that were wired into them that are very hard to to to shake.
Marc:But when it's just sort of like he's he had this idea, clearly he was mildly uncomfortable with gay people.
Marc:But that was the only thing driving the thought behind it.
Marc:It wasn't like I hate them or whatever.
Marc:It's just like I'm a little uncomfortable about it.
Marc:It doesn't make sense to me.
Marc:And this is the reason I put together for why.
Guest:Mm hmm.
Marc:And, you know, it was hinging on faulty.
Marc:People want to be good.
Guest:Like, so they think like they're approaching it.
Guest:And but a lot of people aren't heard.
Guest:I think there's a lot of like, well, you're an idiot.
Guest:And, you know, and that's I think a lot of people are very defensive about their position.
Marc:A lot of people are shallow, stupid people and severely undereducated, even when basic shit.
Marc:I was talking to my producer about this.
Marc:Like I was talking to a woman.
Marc:I granted she was, you know, a personal trainer.
Marc:I'm not expecting her to be a genius, but.
Marc:Well, you know, I'm an actor and a comedian.
Marc:What's expected of us?
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:But it was this idea that, like, you know, well, these rules keep changing around COVID.
Marc:Like, there doesn't seem to be sort of any, you know, they don't seem to, like, they say you can do one thing one day and then the next week it's different.
Marc:And she's criticizing it as if it means that they're waffling on policy, whereas it's sort of like, no, that's how science works.
Marc:They don't know what the fuck it is.
Marc:So you...
Marc:You know, we got to wait until they figure it out.
Marc:I mean, it's better to err on the side of caution.
Marc:But who would think that?
Marc:Like, I'm not going to believe Fauci because he goes back on his word.
Marc:He's like, it's not going back on his word.
Marc:They don't know what the fuck we're dealing with.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:The fact that it's become at all political is just like...
Marc:Put the fucking mask on.
Marc:Wash your hands.
Marc:That's the thing I can't understand.
Marc:Like when it comes down, like what I'm saying to you is like there's certain elements of people, the stubbornness and the the shallowness of deciding that the mask is some sort of indication of American freedom is like to me, it's like what's what what the fuck went wrong with this many people?
Guest:I know.
Guest:Yeah, we're all sorts of fucked.
Guest:That's that's that's kind of the general.
Marc:I don't know what the hell is going to happen.
Marc:Where are you going to move to?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:We're apparently staying in Manhattan.
Marc:I don't mean to out.
Marc:I heard that Brian wants to do Amadeus with you.
Marc:Is that true?
Marc:Have you heard?
Marc:He did.
Guest:He did tell me that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I haven't actually looked at it.
Guest:He told me he was going to send me a copy.
Guest:fucking pricks.
Guest:Speaking of pricks and shitty people.
Guest:No, wait, actually, I was going to say something about people being shitty on set.
Guest:There was like, because I grew up watching people be really great.
Guest:I did a movie when I was like 15 with Kevin Pollack, and I saw him recently, and he said something like, I'm really glad to see that you're still working 20 years later.
Guest:He goes, you know, the secret is, he goes, I'm
Guest:Like, if you're good, you're good, whatever.
Guest:There's tons of actors that are really good that I'll get the part.
Guest:He goes, but just be nice and be easy to work with and you'll actually stick around.
Guest:He goes, that's the only reason I'm still here.
Guest:So he said, be good to work with and be a nice guy.
Marc:That's very nice of Kevin.
Guest:Because there are sometimes stories of people like...
Marc:they'll be like what happened to that actor they're so good and then later you find out they were fucking nuts on set and like oh well that's why yeah well unless they're nuts and make a lot of people a lot of money it seems there's a certain license that's given to those people for at least a while it's like if you're an actor that's making a lot of people millions of dollars they're like hey i don't care if he kills people in his trailer you know we don't know if that's true that's a good point yeah but if you're just a character actor who's a pain in the ass you're like
Marc:yeah put them out to pasture on television see if it works out just don't pull it up too soon like wait until you're making you know hundreds of million dollars at the box office and you can start being a prick that's the lesson that's usually what happens because it's like the last hobby you know it seems like the the final hobby of the wealthy is sort of like how can i really make people hate me
Marc:There's part of me that thinks, well, they've earned it.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:Well, I mean, you come off as kind of like that.
Marc:You seem like you were capable of being a dick.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:To people that deserve it, I guess.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So if you said, like, I've been the bully and I've been bullied, I'm like, I've been the bully.
Guest:I don't know if I've been bullied.
Guest:Shit.
Guest:Never mind.
Guest:No, I feel like people tried and I just always had like the smart mouth of like, and I hide behind the fact that I'm so little that I'll pick a fight with a big guy at a bar because they're not going to hit me.
Guest:If they punch me, I'm going to explode.
Marc:Your smelly dad wasn't a bully?
Guest:Oh, that's a good point.
Guest:Um, not really with me or with us.
Guest:I mean, some siblings, I can't really speak for the siblings.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:It's great.
Guest:Like having seven, seven of us, like all grew up with that, with that sort of little pack mentality that I told you about, but all have very different experiences.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Have you guys, um, have you, have you seen any, like, I know no one's shooting shit, but have you seen any, uh, scripts for the next season?
Guest:Nope, not at all.
Guest:And I'm one of those who just doesn't want to know anymore.
Guest:I think I was very frustrated at the start of this process of coming from theater and doing all these films where I want to know my character story arc and not being able to have that.
Guest:Because first of all, it's TV.
Guest:And second of all, there's just so many rewrites that come in sometimes in the middle of the night.
Marc:I know, it's crazy.
Guest:It's nuts, but I just go with it now, and now that's my preferred way of working.
Marc:So the night before, you're sort of like, can I get the pages in the morning?
Guest:How many, you know, is that... I honestly look like I'll see on the call sheet that it says, okay, we're doing that scene.
Guest:I'm like, I kind of remember that from the table read.
Guest:I'll look at it in the morning.
Marc:Oh, but you guys do do a table read.
Guest:Yeah, like weeks before, but they make a lot of changes, and they do sometimes.
Guest:I remember in the first season...
Guest:There was a rewrite that came in at like three in the morning and Brian had a lot of dialogue.
Guest:It was like a big speech.
Guest:And we did the first rehearsal and Brian just started doing the old version.
Guest:And one of the writers came up to him and said, did you get the draft?
Guest:And he goes, when did it come in?
Guest:And he goes, we sent it around three in the morning.
Guest:He goes, if it's after 1030, I'm not doing it.
Guest:And the writers went, fair enough.
Guest:So they don't give Brian rewrites after like 1030 or whatever it is at night.
Guest:Because he has a process that he's been working on for 60 something years where he works on it all night and prepares and then goes to sleep and shows up at work.
Guest:And then I'm like, now it's different.
Guest:He goes, no.
Marc:I'm so mad that we're in this fucking plague.
Marc:I'd like to see it like when are we going to get to see another one?
Marc:You guys are all you're going to be 50 by the time you.
Guest:That's I know they're going to have to like write in a missing gap of a couple of years because I've certainly aged in the last year with this like no sleep baby situation.
Marc:Well, what what is the plan?
Marc:Is there a plan?
Guest:I think the plan is loose.
Guest:There's nothing concrete.
Guest:I think that's one thing they asked us not to talk about, but fuck it.
Guest:It's sort of like the loose plan is to start shooting late October, but who the fuck knows?
Marc:I'm hearing a lot of the late October business.
Marc:With my show, they're like, we're not going to do anything until 2021 because everyone's got to touch each other in our show, so they've got to have whatever they're going to have devised.
Marc:The safety has got to be pretty tight to do a wrestling show, you know?
Guest:Because there's also going to be, I'm guessing on your show, there's like wrestling, like coordinators, like trainers, anything like that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Chavo's there every day.
Guest:Chavo works on your show.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, that's fantastic.
Marc:He's doing the, he's the coach, man.
Marc:He's telling, he's teaching them how to wrestle.
Marc:There's Chavo and two stunt coordinators, but it's all Chavo.
Guest:Chavo's that's, you're in good hands with that guy.
Guest:That guy really knows what he's doing.
Guest:That's really cool.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But so everybody kind of has to like self quarantine together.
Guest:Then there's things of like,
Guest:Because that's what I heard.
Guest:They were like, okay, we'll just put all the actors and the whole crew into one hotel and you quarantine together and you can't interact with anybody.
Guest:I'm like, but what about my family?
Guest:Can they come and then
Guest:And then there's the daily tests and things.
Guest:There's teams of people working on that.
Guest:And I'm sort of trusting that we have some people in our cast that are in a high risk.
Guest:So we have to be extra safe.
Marc:I think it's I think it's going to come down to those daily tests.
Marc:I mean, that's what's got to go.
Marc:That's what's got to happen.
Guest:And the thing is, one motherfucker goes out and decides, like, I'm just going to go get a drink at this bar one night and comes back and test positive.
Guest:You shut down the whole production.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:And can you trust fucking actors?
Marc:I mean, come on.
Marc:No, no.
Marc:But it seems like most of the people that you're working with are not.
Marc:They're not there's not they're not kids.
Marc:They're most of them are, you know, responsible people.
Marc:They're not, you know.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Married people.
Marc:But, you know, who knows who's going to go out and someone's going to do something in their hotel room they shouldn't.
Guest:Well, I mean, that's just life.
Marc:It is.
Marc:Hotels aren't hotels aren't the real world.
Guest:No.
Guest:It happens in those rooms.
Marc:Horrible.
Marc:Horrible.
Guest:And then I feel like so vanilla when I like go away for work and then I like unpack my bag and I fold my shirts and put it away in this like cum covered dresser that's in the.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I bring my own tea kettle.
Marc:I have a collapsible water boiler because I had heard that when you ask for one from the hotel, there's an outside chance that someone boiled their fucking underwear in there to clean them.
Guest:How the fuck did you hear that?
Marc:I don't know, but it makes sense.
Guest:That scene in Plains Chains of Automobiles where he uses the sink to wash his... John Candy washes his filthy underwear.
Guest:I think about that any time I'm in a not-so-nice hotel and I look at the sink and I'm like, I'm not...
Marc:Oh, yeah, man.
Marc:Or just, like, bedspreads.
Marc:You know, like, I know they're washing the sheets, but what about that fucking bedspread?
Guest:I know.
Guest:Oh, the bed, yeah, that's the first thing that I do.
Guest:I get rid of those, the pillows, the decorative pillows, anything that can't be washed, and that's in the corner.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then, like, jerk off on it.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Just for goodness.
Marc:Just put my... Well, clearly, that's what everyone does.
Marc:I mean, I think that's why we know better, is that...
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Fool me once sheets.
Guest:I'm going to show you.
Marc:I'm going to show you what really looks like.
Marc:It's a very weird thing that if you like, I don't know that everybody appreciates what we're talking about, but I, I did, I wrote a piece in a, in a book I wrote about jerking off right on the floor of a hotel room.
Marc:I mean, there's, there's just some people were fucking animals, I guess.
Marc:But when I get into a hotel room, I'm not, you know, I, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to come, I'm going to come on the floor.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's like, you know, sometimes you get the really nice one where it's like, Oh, there's an en suite.
Guest:Well, okay.
Guest:I'm going to have to jerk off on the couch.
Guest:I'm going to jerk off on this chair.
Guest:How many days am I here?
Guest:Like, it's just sort of, yeah, you got it.
Guest:It's, it's, yeah, it's what you do.
Guest:It's like, okay, I've got a shower.
Guest:I got to order dinner first, jerk off on something.
Guest:And then, yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Then I'll get the steak, I guess.
Guest:Okay.
Marc:Well, at least we know how to have fun in a hotel.
Yeah.
Marc:What else is there to do?
Guest:Work on my lines?
Guest:Am I supposed to like sit in a hotel room and work?
Guest:No.
Marc:I was on a movie and I actually had for the first time I had like a top notch trailer.
Marc:And I was like, wow, even these are kind of gross.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Even the good trailers.
Marc:Not great.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So where'd you jerk off on that one?
Marc:I'm trying to remember if I even like it.
Guest:Well, that's tricky because sometimes it rocks the trailer.
Guest:And then like when they find out later that you were in there by yourself, it's a little embarrassing.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Like this rocking, but you can knock because I'm just in here by myself.
Marc:I don't know how people get away with like you hear about on sets like trailer business.
Marc:Like, you know, because most of the time, if you're not at top of the call sheet, you know, you're you're in a three.
Marc:There's like two or three people in the fucking trailer.
Marc:What are you going to do?
Guest:I don't actually like having, I haven't had a big trailer since I was like a kid, basically.
Guest:And I don't like it.
Guest:I like the little thing.
Guest:I like, cause if I'm in there, I want to get the fuck out of there and be on set.
Marc:I can't, I never hang out in the trailer.
Marc:I just changed my clothes in there.
Marc:I got to get out because it's like, it seems like they make it so you can't, they make it, I think because they know that actors are going to jerk off on things.
Marc:There's never like, yeah,
Marc:There's never a comfortable like the beds or the couch are always sort of vinyl or shitty, you know, fake leather and you don't want to lay on them.
Guest:And yeah, that's right.
Marc:I'm saying they make them as uncomfortable as possible because they're just actors are monsters or animals.
Marc:Oh, so what's the rest of the day now?
Marc:What are you going to play with the kid?
Guest:I would like to, I got some other, like I try to like do any time there's stuff.
Guest:I like pile it into one day so that I like get minus a day, most of the day with my baby so that I can play with her.
Marc:So you got more press.
Guest:This one was sort of the big one and the fun one, the one I was looking forward to.
Guest:I did like a radio show yesterday and I think by the third time I said, fuck, they winced.
Guest:And I'm like, oh, are you bleeping me?
Guest:I'm sorry.
Guest:This is like, I don't know how to not.
Guest:Here I am talking about jerking off on certain services that are very cleanable.
Guest:And you know, this is more my speed.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:well yeah then you got the poor guy who's got his finger on the button and they've only got the weird thing about those delays is every time you do it it eats up the the time like there's only a certain amount of time you can delay in a in a chunk in in like a segment right so by the third they're like we're not going to be able to save it it was great talking to you man yeah you too um
Guest:Fuck.
Guest:I'd like to do this again.
Guest:I don't know if you have a repeat.
Guest:Yes, we'll have it in a few years when I have a bigger trailer and I have more stories about... Yeah, we'll just hang out, man.
Marc:When we get through the plague, maybe we can just have lunch or something.
Guest:That sounds like a fucking thing.
Guest:Let's do that thing.
Marc:Okay, buddy.
Marc:I'll do it.
Guest:See ya.
Marc:I like that guy, huh?
Marc:Solid.
Marc:He's exactly like you think he would be.
Marc:Kieran is nominated for an Emmy for the Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series.
Marc:You can watch both seasons of Succession on HBO On Demand and HBO Max.
Marc:Now I got the wah-wah pedal out.
Marc:Let's lay into it.
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Guest:.
Guest:.
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:Boomer lives.
Guest:And so does Monkey.
Guest:And LaFonda.
Guest:And all the angel cats.