Episode 1068 - John Goodman

Episode 1068 • Released November 4, 2019 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Guest:Lock the gates!

00:00:09Marc:All right, let's do this.

00:00:11Marc:How are you, what the fuckers?

00:00:12Marc:What the fuck buddies?

00:00:14Marc:What the fucking ears?

00:00:16Marc:What the fuck nicks?

00:00:17Marc:What the fucktresses?

00:00:19Marc:How's it going?

00:00:20Marc:I am Mark Maron.

00:00:21Marc:This is my podcast, WTF.

00:00:23Marc:Welcome to it.

00:00:24Marc:Hope you're okay.

00:00:25Marc:I am okay.

00:00:27Marc:I'm all right.

00:00:29Marc:I've been doing coffee on and off.

00:00:31Marc:I still have a coffee sponsor.

00:00:33Marc:I don't do it.

00:00:34Marc:It's sort of like a given, but justcoffee.coop still sends me

00:00:39Marc:A couple of bags, three or four bags a month of coffee just from years of that loyalty, that dynamic that we had forever.

00:00:48Marc:I've always got some coming in.

00:00:50Marc:And I hadn't been drinking it for a while.

00:00:52Marc:I've been using it for barter.

00:00:54Marc:Gifts and barter.

00:00:55Marc:Hey, you need some coffee, pal?

00:00:56Marc:Here you go.

00:00:57Marc:I'll give you two bags of coffee and these two records for those two records.

00:01:01Marc:Yes, actual barter down at Gimme Gimme usually.

00:01:04Marc:With Dan down there.

00:01:06Marc:But now I'm sort of back on it.

00:01:08Marc:I'm having a little bit of coffee here and there.

00:01:10Marc:And it's amazing how quickly it just creeps up on you, man.

00:01:15Marc:I'd forgotten what it's like to be fully capable and jacked out of your brain for some excitable and excited conversation in the morning.

00:01:24Marc:But I'm starting to feel that a little bit again.

00:01:27Marc:I've been drinking like a little bit of coffee in the morning and tea later in the afternoon.

00:01:31Marc:But I can slowly feel the coffee just creeping up on me.

00:01:34Marc:A little bit.

00:01:36Marc:John Goodman is on the show today.

00:01:38Marc:And what a nice fella.

00:01:41Marc:Had a nice kind of weighty chat with John.

00:01:45Marc:Great guy.

00:01:46Marc:Obviously, you know him from everything.

00:01:49Marc:He's currently on The Conners.

00:01:52Marc:But you know him from the Coen Brothers movie.

00:01:54Marc:You know him from Roseanne.

00:01:57Marc:It's John Goodman, and I was thrilled to talk to him.

00:02:01Marc:So, trick or treat, how was it for you?

00:02:04Marc:Oh, I haven't talked to you since the special.

00:02:07Marc:Let's start with trick or treat, and then I'll go back a bit.

00:02:10Marc:There's a couple of things going on, and I'll tell you exactly what went down with the special.

00:02:15Marc:But I bought a ton of fucking candy.

00:02:17Marc:Good stuff, too.

00:02:18Marc:I don't fuck around.

00:02:19Marc:I don't know what you like, but I know what's good, and it's probably better than what you like.

00:02:23Marc:I'm full on.

00:02:24Marc:I got a full bag of Reese's, glow-in-the-dark Reese's.

00:02:28Marc:It's just the packaging.

00:02:29Marc:And then I got a bag of what was in there, Twix, Snickers.

00:02:35Marc:Three Musketeers caramel, and then another kind of Snickers.

00:02:39Marc:Pretty good.

00:02:40Marc:Solid.

00:02:42Marc:But kids started coming, man.

00:02:44Marc:I got back in time.

00:02:45Marc:I had the big bucket of candy, and they started coming.

00:02:49Marc:And I thought, like, I got to get through this because I cannot have any of this.

00:02:52Marc:My agenda on Halloween was to have no leftover candy.

00:02:57Marc:And I thought it was inevitable that I would have leftover candy, but I really couldn't have it in the house.

00:03:02Marc:So when they started coming at 6.30 or so, I started giving these kids like three each, three or four kids would come, three pieces of candy, two or three pieces of candy.

00:03:12Marc:And then all of a sudden they just kept coming.

00:03:15Marc:I had like 30 or 40 kids and their parents, some really young kids with their parents.

00:03:23Marc:I was just wearing like, you know, I was wearing my workout clothes actually, because I'd just gotten down from the mountain and I cooked dinner and then they started coming.

00:03:30Marc:So I didn't change.

00:03:31Marc:And it was very cute.

00:03:33Marc:All the costumes were cute.

00:03:36Marc:The parents costumes were cute.

00:03:38Marc:But there was one kid who came with his parents and he was holding some sort of thing with a blinking light on it.

00:03:43Marc:I don't remember what.

00:03:44Marc:Maybe it was the the actual basket that you put the candy and had some sort of light on it.

00:03:49Marc:But I walked to the door in my shorts and the kid could see me and he was terrified.

00:03:53Marc:I had no costume on, and I could see this kid must have been maybe three.

00:03:59Marc:And I just came running up to the door, and he backed up.

00:04:02Marc:And I was like, what?

00:04:04Marc:Take it easy, kid.

00:04:06Marc:And I opened the door and gave him the candy, and he's still looking at me like, what the fuck is this guy?

00:04:12Marc:And eventually I just said, oh, you look so cute and was nice to him.

00:04:17Marc:And then he was like, the light, the light, the light.

00:04:21Marc:And he kept pointing to the blinking light.

00:04:22Marc:And I think he he overcame his fear.

00:04:25Marc:And we he wanted me to know and see and acknowledge the light that he found so much joy in.

00:04:31Marc:And I did that.

00:04:32Marc:I felt better.

00:04:32Marc:Didn't want the kid leaving scared.

00:04:34Marc:So.

00:04:35Marc:What's the point?

00:04:36Marc:Point is I held back like five pieces of candy because there were large groups of kids coming to my door.

00:04:42Marc:Some of them a little old for the trick or treating, I think, to be quite honest with you.

00:04:46Marc:And I didn't want to have another group come and then come up one short for some kid because I for some reason in my mind, I thought like I don't want to ruin some kid's life.

00:04:58Marc:What if some three-year-old comes up and I don't have any more candy?

00:05:02Marc:What am I getting?

00:05:03Marc:Do I want to be that memory?

00:05:05Marc:Do I want to be that disappointing guy?

00:05:08Marc:Do I want that to be stuck in some kid's car?

00:05:10Marc:Like it's really going to make that big a deal?

00:05:12Marc:Christ, it's not emotional abuse.

00:05:13Marc:It's just a grown-up out of candy.

00:05:16Marc:But I held back five.

00:05:17Marc:And that was it, and I threw them in the freezer, and the next night I ate them, and they were so fucking good.

00:05:21Marc:I wish I'd kept more, but I'm glad I didn't keep more.

00:05:25Marc:Whatever, folks.

00:05:26Marc:That was Halloween.

00:05:28Marc:Went well.

00:05:30Marc:The other thing I want again, again, I should fucking write him an email.

00:05:34Marc:I must have his email.

00:05:35Marc:Gotta thank Ken Burns.

00:05:37Marc:for this country documentary.

00:05:40Marc:I finished watching it, all eight of them.

00:05:42Marc:They're about an hour and a half, two hours each.

00:05:45Marc:And it's just one of those things.

00:05:47Marc:Like I said, I had some country records, but I had no context.

00:05:50Marc:And now I have a whole new pantheon of magicians and wizards to be emotionally engaged with their stories,

00:05:58Marc:And I'm talking about country music performers.

00:06:00Marc:And, you know, it filled with wonder about their music because now I have a context for them.

00:06:05Marc:Now, I told you about Jimmy Rogers and the Carter family, but, you know, I went out and I chased down some Bill Monroe records.

00:06:11Marc:I downloaded the nitty gritty dirt bands.

00:06:14Marc:May the circle be unbroken because it was them pulling some of the old timers in Roy Acuff and Doc Watson and Vassar Clements and and Maybell Carter.

00:06:26Marc:And I'm reinvested in Dolly Parton.

00:06:29Marc:I just picked up another George Jones and Tammy Wynette record.

00:06:33Marc:I pulled out my Leuven Brothers record.

00:06:35Marc:I pulled out my Earl Scruggs and Lester Flats record.

00:06:40Marc:And now I'm invested.

00:06:41Marc:So thanks again, Ken Burns, for giving me this whole it's just a whole world that like I feel connected to because there's no country without blues and there's no jazz without blues and everything sort of this.

00:06:58Marc:It's all kind of swirls together.

00:07:02Marc:And I'm just I'm thrilled about it.

00:07:05Marc:I'm thrilled to have this this backdrop to have these people sort of be real people in my mind as I listen to their music now.

00:07:13Marc:So the special.

00:07:17Marc:As many of you know, last week, it took months, years even, over a year leading up to this taping of my new Netflix special.

00:07:27Marc:And again, apologies to Boston for not being able to do it, but we chose the Red Cat Theater here in L.A., which only seats a few hundred people.

00:07:35Marc:It's a large black box theater, they call it.

00:07:38Marc:And we built a beautiful set for the show.

00:07:41Marc:But my one fear going in, and this happened after the fact, like I knew we would make it look great, which it did.

00:07:49Marc:I knew we could do all the things we wanted to do with the camera, which we could.

00:07:52Marc:But my fear was that this was one of those theaters where people...

00:07:57Marc:It's a type of theater where they do experimental stuff.

00:07:59Marc:It's a type of theater where it doesn't have the big proscenium.

00:08:03Marc:It's not a huge theater.

00:08:04Marc:It's a black box theater.

00:08:06Marc:And when you go to a black box theater, you're waiting for something intense.

00:08:10Marc:You're waiting for something intimate and impactful.

00:08:15Marc:You're waiting for something heavy.

00:08:18Marc:It's not a funny space.

00:08:20Marc:Now, I'm not saying that the larger theaters, the proscenium theaters, mostly vaudeville houses and

00:08:27Marc:Old theaters and cities, you're not expecting something, but they all they all sort of their dug in personality, whereas a black box is something you can make whatever you want.

00:08:35Marc:But there's also I just felt there was going to be some some expectations and some not apprehension, but just a kind of intensity to the space itself that would might stand in the way of laughter.

00:08:49Marc:But it was Wednesday night and there was a seven o'clock and a 10 o'clock taping.

00:08:54Marc:Now, a seven o'clock show, even on a Friday or Saturday, that's, you know, people got to come right from work.

00:08:59Marc:And I didn't know who was going to be there.

00:09:00Marc:And we only made about 200 change, maybe a little over 200 seats available for each show, which is very intimate.

00:09:09Marc:But man, you know, I'm all jacked up.

00:09:10Marc:I got my new clothes on.

00:09:11Marc:You know, we're backstage.

00:09:13Marc:We're doing it.

00:09:13Marc:We're doing sound checks.

00:09:14Marc:I got Luke Schwartz opening for me, getting people warmed up a little bit.

00:09:18Marc:And then you go out and you got all the cameras and it's a TV taping.

00:09:22Marc:And, you know, I've been working this shit a lot.

00:09:26Marc:And I go out on that seven o'clock show and the audience wasn't bad.

00:09:29Marc:But my fears about the space were realized is that, you know, they were present, but they weren't laughing enough.

00:09:35Marc:And as a comic, you kind of need the laughter to get a role going.

00:09:40Marc:But the thing was, is I didn't feel like I got over the hump.

00:09:44Marc:And it was nobody's fault.

00:09:46Marc:But in between shows, I was kind of frustrated.

00:09:49Marc:I was like, I'm glad we have another one.

00:09:51Marc:I hope it goes good.

00:09:52Marc:But everybody there, Netflix people, everybody's like, that was great.

00:09:55Marc:That was great.

00:09:56Marc:And I'm like, thank you.

00:09:57Marc:It was great.

00:09:57Marc:But in my heart, I was like, it's got to be better than that.

00:10:00Marc:I got to connect better than that.

00:10:01Marc:Why the fuck did I do it at this theater?

00:10:03Marc:Is this next show going to be a problem?

00:10:04Marc:Am I fucked?

00:10:05Marc:Am I going to have a mediocre special?

00:10:07Marc:I know it's going to look great, but I don't want to have to sweeten it or add laughs or any of that kind of shit.

00:10:13Marc:Fuck, man.

00:10:14Marc:I was a little freaked out, folks.

00:10:16Marc:So going into the second taping at 10, I was like, God damn it, man.

00:10:20Marc:I got to stay open.

00:10:21Marc:You stay even more open and fucking connect with this.

00:10:24Marc:Deliver this shit.

00:10:26Marc:And it was great.

00:10:28Marc:The second show, it rolled.

00:10:30Marc:I improvised a bit.

00:10:31Marc:I got loose.

00:10:32Marc:I kind of was myself more.

00:10:34Marc:And maybe that's always the way it goes.

00:10:37Marc:But thank fucking God.

00:10:39Marc:even if I don't believe in God necessarily, thank the universe for doing it.

00:10:45Marc:To walk away from a special taping and not feel like you got it, what a nightmare.

00:10:51Marc:So it went good.

00:10:52Marc:I think it's going to be pretty, I think it's a pretty powerful bunch of material, pretty, you know, I take it to the edge.

00:11:00Marc:I take it to the edge, folks.

00:11:03Marc:So listen, before I bring up John Goodman, I wanted to read this email.

00:11:07Marc:I thought it was nice if I could.

00:11:09Marc:This is from Ali.

00:11:13Marc:Subject line, Argus.

00:11:15Marc:Hi, Mark.

00:11:16Marc:I am halfway through your episode with Argus Hamilton, and I wanted to share a small story with you.

00:11:21Marc:I saw the Monday newsletter announced that he would be on the show.

00:11:25Marc:I was very happy to see you'd finally been able to get him on.

00:11:28Marc:Argus played a small but important role in my early teen life.

00:11:32Marc:When I was 12 or 13, 1985 or 86, my dad checked into the care unit at Cedars, 30-day program for alcohol addiction.

00:11:40Marc:I'd go visit him.

00:11:42Marc:And while I liked visiting him, I started asking to go so I could talk to his roommate.

00:11:47Marc:His roommate was this funny, nice guy who talked to me like I was an adult, didn't talk down to me, and was genuinely interested in chatting with his roommate's daughter.

00:11:57Marc:It will come as no surprise that this was Argus.

00:12:00Marc:I think he finished the program before my dad did or vice versa.

00:12:04Marc:So at some point I knew I likely wasn't going to see him ever again.

00:12:08Marc:His parting gift to me was a Comedy Store T-shirt that I wore all the time.

00:12:12Marc:It was pretty much my favorite thing for a long time.

00:12:15Marc:I still have it somewhere.

00:12:17Marc:At the time, I didn't know much about the Comedy Store, just a little I'd heard from Argus.

00:12:21Marc:And obviously, it wasn't until years later I came to learn about its history.

00:12:26Marc:Over the years, I'd see his name somewhere and was happy he was A, still alive, and B, still working and doing what he loved.

00:12:32Marc:And I always look forward to hearing guests on your show or you mention him.

00:12:36Marc:So thank you, Mark, for finally having him on.

00:12:39Marc:The ride to work this morning definitely sparked a strong memory.

00:12:42Marc:And that voice, that voice, it's exactly the same as I remember.

00:12:47Marc:Best, Allie.

00:12:49Marc:Thanks for that email.

00:12:50Marc:That's so nice.

00:12:52Marc:I like hearing about things that, you know, have an impact on you when you're younger and they're good things.

00:12:58Marc:And then they come sort of full circle.

00:13:00Marc:I was I'm happy I had him on and he told me he's getting great, great feedback from it.

00:13:05Marc:So that's nice.

00:13:06Marc:Now, look, folks, John Goodman doesn't talk much like this in public, doesn't do a lot of these kind of long form interviews.

00:13:14Marc:And it was it was really, you know, you know, he's such a sweet guy, such a memorable guy, such a huge talent and sort of a part of all of our lives.

00:13:26Marc:If you've been alive watching anything, movies or television for the last two decades.

00:13:31Marc:or three decades even.

00:13:32Marc:So, so this was great.

00:13:34Marc:And as I mentioned before, the, the Connors airs Tuesdays on ABC and, and I'm sure you can enjoy, go enjoy John Goodman and whatever he's done.

00:13:43Marc:And now you can enjoy me and him talking right now.

00:13:55Yeah.

00:13:59Marc:I was on the lozenges.

00:14:01Guest:Yeah.

00:14:02Marc:Oh, my God.

00:14:03Guest:They give me too much nicotine, and I start getting hiccups.

00:14:06Marc:Oh, you get the hiccups?

00:14:07Marc:Yeah.

00:14:07Marc:Some people get that weird thing with the gum, too, the stomach or the hiccups.

00:14:10Marc:Yeah, I do, too.

00:14:11Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:14:11Marc:No, I just ate them all day long.

00:14:13Marc:I would go to sleep with them in my mouth.

00:14:15Marc:oh man anyway and i wake up and it was like the first thing i do i couldn't like i just it was so uh it was just so good yeah i get to the point where i'm shaking when you don't have them no when i do when you do it i uh yeah i just and i don't know not what i'm talking about it

00:14:38Marc:Yeah.

00:14:38Marc:I don't know what, I never got involved with the vape thing because it was too much like the cigarettes.

00:14:43Marc:Yeah.

00:14:44Marc:And I like, I haven't smoked a cigarette for over a decade, but I got on those lozenges.

00:14:49Marc:Yeah.

00:14:49Marc:And then I'd go, then I'd smoke, what happened is I'd get off them all together, then I'd smoke one cigar and then like, you know, then two cigars and then, you know, I'm eating cigars, you know, and then I got to get on the naked.

00:15:01Marc:I inhale them.

00:15:02Marc:The cigars?

00:15:02Marc:Yeah, you can't help it.

00:15:04Marc:I mean, I just can't.

00:15:06Marc:But I've been off them for two months, and now I'm off everything.

00:15:09Marc:I've been sober for like 20 years.

00:15:11Marc:And now, not great.

00:15:17Guest:It beats the alternative, man.

00:15:19Guest:That's for sure.

00:15:19Guest:I got 12 years myself.

00:15:21Guest:Yeah, it's good, right?

00:15:22Guest:Yeah.

00:15:23Marc:Oh, my God.

00:15:24Guest:It's getting better, too.

00:15:25Marc:Right, it does.

00:15:26Marc:You know, it's like when you finally get that clarity and you're feeling relatively comfortable in your own skin.

00:15:31Marc:I mean, the worst thing about it is...

00:15:34Marc:That's it.

00:15:36Marc:That's all there is.

00:15:37Marc:Yeah.

00:15:39Marc:That's the hardest thing to accept.

00:15:40Guest:But I didn't know that for 30 years.

00:15:42Guest:Right, right, right.

00:15:43Guest:And it took me a long time to just, okay, this is all right.

00:15:46Guest:Yeah.

00:15:47Guest:And when I look around, it's better than all right.

00:15:49Guest:It's pretty good.

00:15:49Marc:it's good the gratitude element is the always the missing factor when you're hard on yourself you know because i'm just sort of like fuck it you know what the fuck what's the fucking point i'm an asshole and then and then you know if you if you're able to manage it which i'm not great at you know it's okay well yeah i figured nobody owes me a thing right take care of yourself right nobody owes you anything but that doesn't mean there's not a world full of assholes out there oh yeah

00:16:14Guest:And mostly you have to laugh at them.

00:16:19Marc:Yeah.

00:16:19Marc:Well, that's the best way to do it as opposed to sort of.

00:16:22Marc:My thing is I get into a thing where I'm like, that guy's an asshole.

00:16:25Marc:Why am I not more like him?

00:16:28Guest:Yeah.

00:16:28Marc:He's successful.

00:16:31Marc:Yeah, exactly.

00:16:32Marc:Why am I a medium-level successful asshole?

00:16:36Marc:Why do I try so much?

00:16:38Marc:Well, that's the thing.

00:16:39Marc:And then I pretend like I'm not trying.

00:16:40Marc:I don't think.

00:16:41Marc:But don't you find that as you get older, you give less of a fuck?

00:16:44Guest:yeah oh yeah that's uh that's a big part of it natural right yeah it just happens when i i'm fine with i don't have to please everybody which is like a big deal with me oh yeah yeah um well when'd you learn that one just listen yeah yeah when'd you learn that one i didn't i'm still doing it not pleasing yeah but at least i know when i'm doing it

00:17:05Guest:yeah and yeah it was usually i can please people without trying so fucking hard at it all right when you're not sitting there assuming you know what they're thinking yeah i that's a that's a weird key to the whole thing is realizing like i'm making up most of what other people are thinking about me or about this projecting yeah your shit on them yeah and what what do they need i'll provide that yeah and

00:17:27Marc:And then you just end up exhausted and drained and you can't fix people.

00:17:30Guest:Yeah, if I'm in New York, I start talking with a New York accent.

00:17:34Guest:Oh, I'll do that too.

00:17:34Guest:Yeah.

00:17:36Guest:Or England.

00:17:36Guest:Yeah.

00:17:37Guest:Do you do English too?

00:17:38Guest:No.

00:17:39Guest:But it sounds exactly like what it is.

00:17:42Guest:What is that about?

00:17:43Guest:A dick with ears.

00:17:44Marc:I don't know.

00:17:46Marc:I do that, too.

00:17:47Marc:Like, you can hear it on the podcast.

00:17:49Marc:Like, if I get somebody in here who's New York or Jewish, like Mel Brooks was on the show.

00:17:53Marc:Oh, Jesus.

00:17:54Marc:Within minutes, I'm like, are you kidding me?

00:17:57Marc:Blood.

00:17:57Marc:Of course, I think.

00:17:58Marc:No.

00:17:59Marc:I'm from Brooklyn, 1940.

00:18:01Marc:You know, like, what is that?

00:18:02Guest:And keep me out of Texas.

00:18:05Guest:How you doing?

00:18:07Marc:oh yeah i just go to it i don't but it happens naturally right yeah i can't figure out what that is uh what part of my brain does that because i do that too but you think it's sort of a people pleaser you do i want to be one of you right but is that pleasing them or is it just sort of like i'm done with me you seem to have a good handle on yourself my brain says that i should be more like it's just like surrendering everything i am to uh what they want

00:18:32Guest:Or just want to be like that.

00:18:34Guest:Can I fix that truck for you?

00:18:36Guest:I know nothing about truck.

00:18:37Guest:Yeah.

00:18:39Guest:Let me pop the hood.

00:18:41Guest:I don't know what's under there.

00:18:43Guest:Oh, damn, I haven't done this for years.

00:18:45Marc:I mean, where'd you grow up?

00:18:48Guest:In St.

00:18:48Guest:Louis.

00:18:49Marc:Is there a Missouri accent?

00:18:51Guest:I'm sure there is.

00:18:51Guest:Yeah, I went to school in Springfield, Missouri, and that's a little bit closer to Ozarks.

00:18:58Marc:I was just in St.

00:18:58Marc:Louis.

00:18:59Marc:Missouri is like a slightly frightening state to me.

00:19:03Marc:A little bit conservative for my taste.

00:19:05Marc:Yeah, a lot conservative.

00:19:07Marc:Yeah, I would say so.

00:19:08Marc:But I did shows in St.

00:19:09Marc:Louis, and what's surprising is that there's terrified progressive people everywhere, and they'll come out.

00:19:18Guest:Hey, I am.

00:19:18Guest:Yeah, yeah, right.

00:19:19Guest:Yeah.

00:19:19Guest:Yeah, I got to go there Thursday.

00:19:21Guest:You do?

00:19:21Guest:Yeah, I'm doing something at Washington University, a Q&A or something.

00:19:25Marc:And that's in St.

00:19:26Marc:Louis?

00:19:26Marc:Yeah.

00:19:27Marc:And you don't know what it is?

00:19:30Guest:It's supposed to be a lecture thing, but I have absolutely nothing to give or add to anybody.

00:19:37Guest:Can they just ask me stuff?

00:19:39Marc:Yeah, I'll do it.

00:19:40Marc:Just give me a moderator and a chair.

00:19:42Guest:Somebody I can hear.

00:19:43Marc:Yeah.

00:19:44Marc:So they just want you to, did you, you didn't go to school there?

00:19:46Guest:No, that was like the Harvard of St.

00:19:49Guest:Louis.

00:19:49Guest:I mean, it's real, it's a real great school.

00:19:52Marc:And what's the, what is the umbrella of the lecture series?

00:19:55Marc:Is it an acting thing?

00:19:56Marc:You don't know.

00:19:56Guest:They just, you just got.

00:19:59Guest:They wanted a famous guy from St.

00:20:00Guest:Louis, I guess.

00:20:01Guest:They could get Kevin Kline.

00:20:04Marc:Yeah.

00:20:04Marc:That was it?

00:20:06Marc:Short list?

00:20:06Marc:Yeah.

00:20:07Marc:So you grew up there.

00:20:10Marc:You got brothers and sisters?

00:20:11Guest:I got one brother, 14 years older, and a sister that's almost two years younger.

00:20:16Guest:Apparently my mom had a partial hysterectomy, and I was a major surprise, because my brother was born in 1938, and then there was World War II, and it came back, and I came along in 52, which shocked everybody.

00:20:33Marc:So that's a real baby boomer.

00:20:34Marc:Yeah.

00:20:35Marc:And your brother was already there 14 years.

00:20:37Marc:Yeah.

00:20:38Marc:Wow.

00:20:38Marc:So is he still around?

00:20:39Marc:Yeah.

00:20:39Marc:That's great.

00:20:40Marc:Yeah.

00:20:40Marc:He's in St.

00:20:41Marc:Louis.

00:20:42Guest:And so was your dad in the military?

00:20:44Guest:Yeah.

00:20:45Guest:Oh, he went?

00:20:45Guest:Yeah.

00:20:46Guest:I don't know much about it because he died a month before my second birthday.

00:20:50Marc:Wow.

00:20:50Guest:And before my sister was born.

00:20:52Marc:So like right before?

00:20:54Guest:He died in May.

00:20:55Marc:She was born in November.

00:20:56Marc:Oh, that's crazy.

00:20:58Marc:That's terrible.

00:21:00Marc:But I guess on some level, you have no memory of him.

00:21:04Marc:No, none at all.

00:21:05Marc:And so you dealt with that sort of that absence thing the whole time, huh?

00:21:08Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:21:10Guest:My brother came back.

00:21:11Guest:He had to leave, just get out.

00:21:13Guest:And he came back and he was like a stranger and trying to do the right thing with me.

00:21:20Guest:Right.

00:21:20Guest:And I just kind of cocooned.

00:21:23Guest:Oh, really?

00:21:24Marc:Yeah.

00:21:26Guest:I just lived in my room in the basement and really nerded out.

00:21:30Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:21:31Guest:Yeah.

00:21:31Marc:And your brother was trying to sort of step in a little bit?

00:21:34Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:21:35Marc:Where did he go off to?

00:21:36Marc:I don't know.

00:21:38Guest:He went away, then he wound up in Detroit for a long time.

00:21:41Marc:When the old man passed, he was like, I got to get out.

00:21:43Guest:No, he would say I was 14 years old, though, so he'd finish school.

00:21:46Marc:Right, so it was devastating.

00:21:47Guest:Like a year early, went away to college for a little while, then took off.

00:21:50Marc:Did he do the hippie thing, or no?

00:21:53Marc:No.

00:21:54Marc:It was a little early for that.

00:21:55Guest:More aligned with Beats.

00:21:56Marc:Oh, yeah?

00:21:57Guest:Yeah, he dug...

00:21:59Guest:Bop.

00:22:00Guest:Bop, right.

00:22:01Guest:So, yeah, a lot of my happiest memories, he turned what we called the hi-fi.

00:22:06Guest:Yeah.

00:22:06Guest:Cranked it up with Charlie Parker and shit like that.

00:22:09Marc:Yeah, I really liked it.

00:22:11Marc:Yeah, of course, right?

00:22:13Marc:You either got a brain for that or you don't.

00:22:15Marc:It's sort of like- I guess so.

00:22:16Marc:It's sort of like drugs.

00:22:19Marc:If it is.

00:22:19Marc:They're kind of connected.

00:22:21Marc:I'm in the mood for drugs.

00:22:23Marc:Yeah, but some people listen to jazz and they're like, I can't.

00:22:26Guest:Yeah, turn it off.

00:22:27Yeah.

00:22:28Guest:Especially Bop, you know?

00:22:29Guest:I immediately get that heroin slouch going.

00:22:31Guest:Yeah, me too.

00:22:32Guest:It's like a Ritalin effect, right?

00:22:34Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:35Marc:Let's do it.

00:22:36Marc:That was the character you did in Inside the Wind.

00:22:39Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:22:40Guest:That guy was great.

00:22:41Guest:Yeah, it was all on the page.

00:22:43Guest:It was there?

00:22:44Guest:Yeah.

00:22:44Marc:But you could tap into it if you were a jazz fan.

00:22:47Guest:You're like, I know this guy.

00:22:48Guest:The thing was, after we were done...

00:22:51Guest:First, Ethan said, was he gay?

00:22:54Guest:I said, I don't know.

00:22:56Guest:He was certainly a leading hill do until one comes along.

00:22:59Guest:And we didn't know what instrument he played.

00:23:03Guest:I swore he was a piano player.

00:23:05Guest:Joel thought he played saxophone.

00:23:07Marc:No one knew.

00:23:08Guest:And Ethan thought he was a trumpet player.

00:23:10Marc:But they just left that open.

00:23:13Marc:So on the page, it was just a jazz musician, a drug problem.

00:23:17Marc:Yeah, that guy was great.

00:23:18Marc:It was sort of Burroughs-y, too, a little bit.

00:23:20Marc:It felt a little William Burroughs kind of vibe.

00:23:23Marc:It's all locked in.

00:23:24Marc:Yeah, it's stored.

00:23:26Marc:I can access all that.

00:23:28Marc:So at least you had that.

00:23:30Marc:I guess your older brother was like groovy.

00:23:33Marc:Yeah.

00:23:34Marc:And he turned you on to some shit.

00:23:36Guest:Yeah.

00:23:37Guest:And comedy.

00:23:38Guest:Yeah?

00:23:39Guest:Yeah.

00:23:41Guest:I guess it made me happy to see him laugh.

00:23:44Guest:So I kind of dig the same things he did.

00:23:47Guest:We go out to the car to listen to Bob and Ray on the radio.

00:23:50Guest:On the radio?

00:23:50Guest:Yeah.

00:23:51Guest:Ernie Kovacs.

00:23:52Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:23:54Guest:On TV?

00:23:54Guest:Sid Caesar.

00:23:55Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:23:56Guest:Our show of shows.

00:23:56Guest:Yeah.

00:23:57Guest:Crazy stuff.

00:23:57Guest:Yeah.

00:23:58Guest:they were funny right yeah they were legitimately funny because like i don't i you know i don't have i'm i'm 56 so my memories are mostly repeats of that era but i guess you caught a bit of it i caught the end of it yeah ernie kovacs i like he had a gig on abc and i definitely remember that because it was surreal trippy right for some reason i just i always dug that so you guys not quite connected

00:24:22Guest:yeah yeah you got some laughs together yeah do you still i mean do you guys yeah yeah yeah yeah that's wild yeah i can't so so there you are in missouri like what what is what's your mom doing to keep things afloat uh she'd do laundry for other people babysit kids worked at a drugstore worked at a rib joint um so you got ribs like yeah i could steal her tips

00:24:44Guest:Good barbecue coming into the house at least.

00:24:46Guest:Yeah.

00:24:48Guest:And yeah, I was like a latchkey kid.

00:24:50Guest:You and your sister?

00:24:51Guest:Yeah.

00:24:51Guest:When we were like a lot younger, we'd call her store or drugstore all the time.

00:24:57Guest:Right.

00:24:57Guest:And it pissed the owners off.

00:24:59Guest:Because I just had to talk to mom.

00:25:02Marc:Yeah.

00:25:02Marc:That's all.

00:25:02Marc:She all right?

00:25:03Marc:Yeah.

00:25:04Marc:She kept you afloat, huh?

00:25:06Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:25:07Guest:The house was paid for, I guess, on GI Bill.

00:25:12Guest:And she got a Social Security.

00:25:14Guest:And I had to scramble a dude because she didn't have an education.

00:25:18Guest:And how long did she stay around for?

00:25:21Guest:2000.

00:25:22Guest:Yeah?

00:25:23Marc:Yeah.

00:25:24Marc:She had colon cancer.

00:25:27Marc:That's tough.

00:25:27Marc:Yeah.

00:25:27Marc:Sorry, man.

00:25:28Marc:So how did you evolve into knowing you wanted to be in front of people?

00:25:35Marc:I mean, I know you played football or whatever that was.

00:25:38Guest:Not really well.

00:25:39Guest:Our high school team won one game in four years.

00:25:43Guest:What position?

00:25:44Guest:I know nothing about football.

00:25:46Guest:Offensive guard and defensive tackle.

00:25:48Marc:Is that just because you were big and in the Midwest?

00:25:51Marc:Yeah.

00:25:51Guest:That was it.

00:25:52Guest:I had a cousin that played for Missouri University, and so he was like a hero.

00:25:57Guest:So I'm going to play football, too.

00:25:59Guest:Organized baseball, we couldn't afford, so I just didn't do it.

00:26:05Guest:We played sandball.

00:26:06Guest:Oh, like in terms of Little League or stuff?

00:26:07Marc:You mean you had to buy the uniform?

00:26:09Guest:Yeah, and pay into the organization.

00:26:12Marc:Did you like that better, baseball?

00:26:14Yeah.

00:26:14Guest:I don't know.

00:26:15Guest:I mean, just from Sandlot games, yeah, but I really liked football.

00:26:20Marc:But it's weird, because culturally, you said you were down in the basement nerding out.

00:26:24Marc:What were you nerding out with?

00:26:25Marc:Comic books.

00:26:26Guest:Oh, really?

00:26:27Guest:What were your comics?

00:26:28Guest:Radio.

00:26:29Guest:Oh, it was...

00:26:31Guest:DC originally.

00:26:32Guest:Right.

00:26:33Guest:And I would get actual subscriptions to them.

00:26:35Guest:Oh, really?

00:26:36Guest:Yeah.

00:26:36Guest:So they were coming in.

00:26:37Guest:Like the Atom.

00:26:38Guest:Yeah.

00:26:39Guest:Green Lantern.

00:26:40Guest:Yeah.

00:26:41Guest:And then somebody turned me on to Marvel.

00:26:44Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:26:45Guest:Well, this is an inferior product, but then I kind of got into it because everything was linked up in Marvel.

00:26:50Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:26:52Guest:But that kept up for a long time.

00:26:53Guest:Still is, oddly.

00:26:54Guest:My brother bought the very first copy of Mad Magazine in 1952.

00:26:59Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:01Guest:That was it.

00:27:02Guest:That was it for me because I dug, if I could shoplift the paperbacks, the compilations of the real stuff with Will Elder and Harvey Kurtzman and all those great artists.

00:27:13Guest:And for some reason, I saw something one time.

00:27:18Guest:It made me laugh until I was crying.

00:27:20Yeah.

00:27:20Guest:Yeah.

00:27:21Guest:Just that, man.

00:27:22Marc:Mad Magazine was great.

00:27:24Marc:So you got it when it was in a comic form?

00:27:27Guest:No, I didn't.

00:27:29Guest:But I got the compilations of when it was a comic form.

00:27:31Guest:In the paperback books.

00:27:32Guest:For me, I'd get the magazine.

00:27:34Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:35Marc:Because I didn't know about the comic book stuff.

00:27:37Marc:So you made the jump.

00:27:38Marc:So that's sort of like the evolution.

00:27:40Marc:That's a nice evolution.

00:27:41Marc:Because if you stay in the DC Marvel world, you might remain a nerd.

00:27:46Marc:Yeah.

00:27:46Marc:Whereas you get a little Mad Magazine.

00:27:48Guest:You get nerdier.

00:27:49Guest:Yeah.

00:27:49Guest:Yeah, you have little friends that you do these little in-jokes with.

00:27:54Guest:With the Mad Magazine.

00:27:55Marc:Well, yeah, but also it's sophisticated in the sense of it was cultural satire.

00:28:00Guest:I'm smarter than you.

00:28:01Marc:A little bit, right?

00:28:03Marc:Because I thought Mad Magazine was like it was some sort of window into the grown-up world.

00:28:07Guest:What it was was a window into Judaism.

00:28:11Yeah.

00:28:11Guest:in an odd way because if i didn't know what something meant i'd look it up because i wanted to laugh more than anything and uh also like al jaffe and all those guys were all jewish and they used yiddish words and yeah yeah yeah harvey kurtzman dave berg yeah yeah yeah dave berg was that his lighter side of lighter side of yeah yeah yeah and i i stuck with that until it kind of wasn't funny anymore which is about the same time i got out of the boy scouts

00:28:36Marc:Oh, right, yeah.

00:28:37Marc:Did you go to National Lampoon at all?

00:28:39Guest:Yeah, big time.

00:28:40Guest:That's the next thing I remember.

00:28:42Guest:Yeah, there was a gap there because that didn't happen until I graduated high school.

00:28:47Guest:The Lampoon?

00:28:48Guest:Yeah, and then they cleaned up their act and got really good in 71.

00:28:54Guest:Right, right.

00:28:55Guest:They started doing the clean edge parodies with the actual advertising photographs.

00:29:00Marc:Right, right.

00:29:01Marc:Remember the yearbook parody?

00:29:02Marc:Yeah.

00:29:02Marc:I have a copy of that.

00:29:04Guest:The yearbook and the Sunday newspaper.

00:29:08Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:09Guest:It was all around Dacron, Ohio.

00:29:11Guest:right right it was so funny that was mind-blowing to me that was doug kenny yeah and pj o'rourke yeah yeah going back to their high school days yep did you know those guys no i never did i uh doug kenny died i probably would have gotten to meet him yeah i uh i met i met pj he's he's still around he's he's he's funny but he's gotten i think politically dubious yeah

00:29:34Marc:So you're coming into football with that kind of disposition.

00:29:38Marc:Was it not as jockey back then?

00:29:41Guest:Were jocks not as... Yeah, the jockey or jocks were jocciest.

00:29:45Guest:Yeah.

00:29:47Guest:A lot of them were pulleys.

00:29:49Guest:Yeah.

00:29:50Guest:And did you...

00:29:51Guest:I wanted to fit in so fucking bad.

00:29:52Guest:I never really bullied anybody because I was on that end of the stick for years.

00:29:58Guest:For what?

00:29:59Guest:Little fat boy.

00:30:00Guest:Oh, really?

00:30:00Guest:Yeah.

00:30:01Guest:And you have to watch your turf because you go on the wrong turf that the Catholic boys will beat you up.

00:30:06Guest:Yeah?

00:30:07Guest:Yeah.

00:30:08Guest:And I would take beatings instead of trying to fight back.

00:30:12Guest:They beat you up for being a fat kid?

00:30:14Guest:No, because I was walking in their air.

00:30:17Marc:Oh, the Catholic kids.

00:30:19Marc:Yeah.

00:30:19Marc:So there was a Catholic neighborhood?

00:30:21Guest:Around the Catholic school.

00:30:23Guest:Oh, really?

00:30:24Guest:Yeah, where they congregated around the school.

00:30:27Guest:And I was friends with most of them.

00:30:30Marc:How did you grow up religion-wise?

00:30:32Guest:Southern Baptist.

00:30:33Guest:Oh, really?

00:30:33Guest:Yes, sir.

00:30:34Guest:So the gemstones wasn't too big of a... No, I have really good memories of, not good things, but good memories of sitting in church when I was a kid and the guy never lowered his voice.

00:30:50Marc:Yeah, never lowered his voice.

00:30:52Guest:All yelling and going to a tent revival.

00:30:55Guest:All yelling.

00:30:56Guest:Yeah.

00:30:57Guest:Did it say that on the sign?

00:30:58Guest:All yelling all the time.

00:30:59Guest:Yeah.

00:30:59Guest:Jesus, all yelling all the time.

00:31:01Marc:Our loud Lord.

00:31:04Marc:We're louder than you.

00:31:06Marc:Yeah.

00:31:07Marc:But you remember that, huh?

00:31:08Marc:Yeah.

00:31:09Guest:Was it an exciting thing?

00:31:11Guest:What it was was...

00:31:16Guest:I was easily led.

00:31:17Guest:So when I was younger, I remember grabbing, they have a thing where they call you down to get your soul saved.

00:31:24Guest:Yeah.

00:31:25Guest:And I was maybe nine or even younger.

00:31:28Guest:Yeah.

00:31:28Guest:And I'm grabbing my sister and shoving her up so she could get her soul saved.

00:31:33Guest:She's screaming and crying and fighting me.

00:31:35Guest:Your little sister.

00:31:36Marc:you gotta go you gotta go but not you yeah no yeah i'd already been safe yeah well that's i mean there's a curious thing like you know that whole kind of like people pleasing and you know wanting to be you know part of something because i felt that too like there do you think like you know not you know having your old man around was sort of left a a piece missing kind of thing i'm sure it did yeah but i didn't know it right i never ever missed him because i didn't know him

00:32:01Marc:Right.

00:32:02Marc:Well, because my dad was absent a lot and sort of a self-involved person.

00:32:05Marc:But I know growing up, I always would gravitate towards charismatic, seemingly grounded dudes who were older than me that I thought could teach me something.

00:32:13Guest:Yeah, me too.

00:32:14Guest:Right?

00:32:15Guest:Yeah, my acting teacher in college was one of them.

00:32:17Guest:I considered him a father figure.

00:32:19Guest:Yeah.

00:32:19Guest:And leaders in the Boy Scouts would help me out.

00:32:22Guest:But I was rudderless and had no discipline.

00:32:27Guest:So I was a terrible student.

00:32:28Marc:I loved it.

00:32:30Marc:Did it get you disciplined?

00:32:31Guest:It did to a certain effect because I loved it.

00:32:35Guest:I really liked it, going out into the woods and shit like that, learning to smoke, looking at Playboys.

00:32:43Marc:Is that where you first smoked, Boy Scouts?

00:32:45Guest:No, I smoked in a...

00:32:47Guest:a sewer tunnel when i was nine yeah uh winston's yeah with uh just marlboro marlboro's marlboro's and you light the cigarette and you have to inhale it and say your name and then exhale it and that that was a real smoke though that was who taught you that some older kid ollie cromwell how old how much older he was the same age same yeah oh but he must have got it from his brother or something yeah something i i don't know i don't care isn't that funny though with that stuff it's like you know you feel shitty it tastes weird but like you know you're like i'm gonna get the hang of this

00:33:15Guest:I'm a little nauseous, but I'm going to get the hang of this.

00:33:19Guest:It was the next stage of development.

00:33:21Guest:Yeah.

00:33:24Guest:I had to wait to shave for a long time, but it was not unlike that.

00:33:27Guest:Yeah.

00:33:28Guest:I loved it, man.

00:33:29Guest:Yeah.

00:33:30Guest:Plus, it was bad.

00:33:31Guest:Yeah.

00:33:32Marc:Very bad.

00:33:33Guest:They were so available, though.

00:33:34Guest:It was bad.

00:33:35Guest:Oh, shit, man.

00:33:36Guest:They were like 50 cents a pack back then.

00:33:38Guest:It's like a quarter a pack for camels.

00:33:41Guest:Yeah.

00:33:42Guest:That and gas.

00:33:43Guest:Two bad things were so cheap.

00:33:45Marc:Yeah, and you'd get them at the same place.

00:33:47Marc:I remember the Husky Station in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

00:33:49Marc:It was like 55 cents for a pack of cigarettes, and the gallon of gas was around the same.

00:33:53Marc:Yeah.

00:33:54Marc:Oh, oof, talking about cigarettes.

00:33:57Marc:Love them.

00:33:58Marc:Yeah, I got this here vape thing.

00:34:00Marc:I know, I know you do.

00:34:02Marc:All right, so the Boy Scouts helped you out, and then- Yeah, I really did, because I liked it.

00:34:08Guest:Yeah.

00:34:08Guest:I guess it was maybe not necessarily disciplined, but an organized thing because I was basically alone.

00:34:18Guest:And there were a lot of other kids doing the same thing.

00:34:22Guest:And I hung on to it until I was ninth grade, which is a little too long.

00:34:27Guest:You didn't go to Eagle?

00:34:29Guest:No, I got as far as Star Scout.

00:34:31Guest:Oh, I don't know what that is.

00:34:32Guest:Yeah, it's two below Eagle.

00:34:35Guest:Oh.

00:34:35Guest:But I wouldn't have made Eagle.

00:34:36Guest:What were Weebelos?

00:34:37Guest:Weebelos was an organization where it wasn't, I don't think it was like the SS or anything.

00:34:45Yeah.

00:34:46Guest:The security operation.

00:34:48Guest:My brother was a weebolo.

00:34:51Guest:You stand in line at summer camp, you stand in the big circle, and an Indian runs around you, or a kid dressed like a Native American, and what they call tap you out, they thump you on the chest, and then you're a weebolo.

00:35:03Marc:Oh, so it was a ritual thing.

00:35:04Marc:Yeah.

00:35:05Marc:It was the Illuminati of the.

00:35:07Marc:Yes, the Bavarian Illuminati.

00:35:09Marc:Illuminati of the Boy Scout operation.

00:35:11Marc:That was their wing.

00:35:13Marc:So when do you do the, so the football thing, you just did it.

00:35:18Marc:You didn't think you were good at it.

00:35:19Guest:No, I knew I wasn't good at it.

00:35:21Guest:I was just slow, and we were all white.

00:35:25Guest:We didn't know any better.

00:35:27Guest:Yeah, I was slow, but I loved to hit, and I was disorganized.

00:35:31Guest:I just wouldn't learn plays.

00:35:32Guest:I just like to be part of a team, and I like to hit.

00:35:36Guest:But not a leader, per se.

00:35:37Guest:No, no, no, no, no.

00:35:40Guest:No leading.

00:35:41Guest:No, I just like being part of a team.

00:35:44Guest:So when did you first start getting into acting?

00:35:47Guest:I was in seventh grade.

00:35:49Guest:I was tapped.

00:35:50Guest:We had this acting teacher.

00:35:53Guest:She was a knockout.

00:35:54Guest:She was doing community theater in St.

00:35:55Guest:Louis.

00:35:56Guest:She was in the union.

00:35:57Guest:Yeah.

00:35:58Guest:So to please her.

00:35:59Guest:Yeah.

00:36:00Guest:She picked me to be a part of a play called You Can't Take It With You, Kaufman and Hard.

00:36:06Guest:I was in that.

00:36:07Guest:I was Grandpa Vanderhoof.

00:36:09Marc:It was just chaos, right?

00:36:10Guest:Yeah.

00:36:11Guest:Yeah, it's a well-timed farce, not the way a seventh grader would do it.

00:36:15Guest:Eighth grader.

00:36:15Guest:With the bomb making or the uncle downstairs or whatever.

00:36:19Guest:Yeah.

00:36:20Guest:So we only did one night of it, and I forgot my lines.

00:36:25Guest:And I sat at the long table, and I got up and started improvising because I would not flop.

00:36:32Guest:That just would not enter my brain.

00:36:34Guest:um i will not fail at this yeah that's because in silence was deadly yeah so i don't know how i did it but i got up and started improvising until i got around the table the lines came back and i just got into it and my teacher when it was over gave me the biggest nicest hug and that was enough and then in high school i got into a couple of plays yeah while you were playing ball yeah yeah there was no it was no big deal

00:37:00Marc:Yeah.

00:37:01Marc:What were the plays?

00:37:03Marc:You remember?

00:37:04Marc:Lil Abner.

00:37:05Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:37:06Marc:And the next year, Hello Dolly, when I was a senior.

00:37:09Marc:So did you find something up there on stage that was filling the void?

00:37:14Guest:I guess so, because I wasn't cutting into football, and it turned out I was good at it.

00:37:19Guest:Yeah.

00:37:20Guest:And I knew I was good at it.

00:37:22Guest:And I went away to a junior college.

00:37:23Guest:I didn't go away, but I went to a junior college, got involved there.

00:37:26Guest:And then I transferred to another college and just lost a year of my life fucking around a fraternity.

00:37:34Guest:Yeah.

00:37:36Guest:That wanting to belong thing again?

00:37:37Guest:Yeah.

00:37:38Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:39Guest:That was it.

00:37:40Guest:Is that where the drinking got going?

00:37:42Guest:No, not really, because I would drink like everybody else.

00:37:45Guest:I think I could still drink like everybody else.

00:37:48Guest:The drinking happened.

00:37:52Guest:I was going with a girl and she dumped me.

00:37:56Guest:It's the first time I've been out of a relationship in maybe four years.

00:38:01Guest:Yeah.

00:38:02Guest:Didn't know what to do with myself, but I was starting to make dough.

00:38:05Guest:This was in New York?

00:38:06Guest:Yeah, this was like 1978.

00:38:08Guest:Oh, years later.

00:38:09Guest:Yeah.

00:38:11Guest:And Animal House had just come out.

00:38:12Guest:Right.

00:38:13Guest:Oh, I remember that.

00:38:14Guest:That was fun.

00:38:16Guest:So I go out every night and sit at an actor's bar.

00:38:19Guest:Yeah.

00:38:20Guest:Just looking to see who walked in and shit like that.

00:38:23Guest:Talk to the bartenders.

00:38:24Guest:They're all actors.

00:38:25Guest:Right.

00:38:26Guest:And it got to be every night.

00:38:28Guest:And I started to gain a lot of weight.

00:38:31Guest:And then I went to another bar, Cafe Central, on the Upper West Side.

00:38:37Guest:And there was a lot of actors in there.

00:38:39Guest:So it was a community thing.

00:38:41Guest:Yeah.

00:38:43Guest:But it got to be, you know, I could have gotten my mail there.

00:38:45Guest:I was there every night during the day.

00:38:47Marc:And, you know, that's how it gets tricky because you're like, my friends are up there.

00:38:51Marc:You know, I got friends.

00:38:53Marc:I started drinking heavy after a girl broke my heart.

00:38:56Marc:And I consciously decided, like, I'm going to be this guy now.

00:39:01Marc:It wasn't like it didn't ease in.

00:39:03Marc:Yeah.

00:39:03Marc:It was just sort of like, this is my life.

00:39:06Marc:Fuck her.

00:39:07Marc:Fuck them.

00:39:08Marc:I'm living this way.

00:39:09Guest:Yeah.

00:39:10Guest:You know, even when I was drinking with a fraternity, it was...

00:39:16Guest:It was just empty.

00:39:19Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:19Guest:And I choose to go away by myself, but be near all these people.

00:39:24Guest:And yeah, I guess I never did know how to drink normally.

00:39:27Guest:Yeah.

00:39:28Marc:I just had to have more.

00:39:30Marc:Well, the good thing about that is, and you're probably the same as me, I never think that I can.

00:39:36Marc:I really don't ever think that I can drink normally.

00:39:39Marc:If I ever think about drinking, it's like, who the fuck wants to even drink one beer?

00:39:43Guest:Yeah, it can't happen.

00:39:46Guest:yeah and why would you want it's like jumping off a building and flying yeah yeah it's not gonna happen it's not gonna happen you know one beer goes to two beers goes to jack daniels goes to who's got blow who's got blow yeah that was always the thing is like i gotta stay up more for this and it was yeah yeah this needs my full attention but the most fun part was yeah tracking it down oh which should take hours but you had to have it yeah

00:40:14Guest:And that was more fun than actually doing it.

00:40:16Guest:Yeah, once you got it, the rush of getting it was actually, yeah, for sure.

00:40:21Guest:And there was something about opening the... The bindle?

00:40:23Guest:Yeah, the bindle and looking inside, it being whole and pure.

00:40:29Guest:And the ritual of chopping it up.

00:40:31Guest:Oh, my God.

00:40:32Guest:Putting it on a key.

00:40:33Marc:Oh, the key.

00:40:34Marc:Yeah, I used the key.

00:40:35Guest:My nose is starting to run.

00:40:35Marc:Yeah, a little bit.

00:40:36Marc:Or the pen top.

00:40:37Marc:Did you ever use the pen top?

00:40:39Marc:Yeah, all the time, yeah.

00:40:39Marc:In the cigarettes, right?

00:40:40Marc:You put the bindle in the cigarettes.

00:40:42Marc:Yeah.

00:40:44Guest:Same system.

00:40:45Guest:My nose is starting to run talking about it.

00:40:46Marc:Yeah, me too.

00:40:47Guest:I'm getting drips.

00:40:47Guest:When I got, when I'd start talking about blow, my nose would run.

00:40:52Marc:Yeah, oh, for sure.

00:40:54Marc:But that was the thing, like you're sitting there.

00:40:56Marc:Remember that you're sitting there at a bar at two in the morning, it's empty.

00:40:59Marc:And you're on blow, and you're just sort of like, things are going to turn around.

00:41:04Guest:Yeah.

00:41:04Guest:Somebody's going to walk in.

00:41:05Guest:Yeah, it's going to happen.

00:41:07Guest:The girl of my dreams will walk in here now.

00:41:10Guest:Now.

00:41:11Guest:Now.

00:41:11Guest:Right now.

00:41:12Marc:And what would happen if she did?

00:41:13Marc:I'd be too jacked to do anything.

00:41:16Marc:Yeah.

00:41:17Marc:I hope she's got a lot of energy to talk.

00:41:20Guest:Yeah.

00:41:22Guest:Talk her pants off.

00:41:23Marc:Yeah, sitting around strangers talking about shit.

00:41:26Marc:That was the worst.

00:41:27Marc:That's the worst part of people-pleasing is when you're at a stranger's house doing their blow listening to them.

00:41:31Marc:Oh, shit.

00:41:32Marc:And all you're thinking about is like, oh, there's more coming.

00:41:35Marc:We're going to put some more lines?

00:41:36Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:38Marc:Do you mind if I get a little bit...

00:41:41Guest:Do you mind?

00:41:43Guest:Yeah.

00:41:43Guest:Can I just, is that anyone doing that one?

00:41:47Marc:Who's is that?

00:41:47Marc:You mind?

00:41:48Marc:Yeah.

00:41:48Marc:Whoops.

00:41:49Marc:Oh, is that yours?

00:41:50Marc:Oh, God damn it.

00:41:51Marc:Are we out?

00:41:53Marc:So like when you went, like going to New York though, that was a big jump.

00:41:56Guest:Yeah.

00:41:57Guest:That was a big deal for me.

00:41:59Guest:I graduated.

00:42:00Guest:I didn't decide.

00:42:02Guest:I did summer theater in Springfield, Missouri, and at the end of that, I said, well, I'm going to try this professionally.

00:42:09Guest:And you didn't know anybody?

00:42:10Guest:I thought I was pretty good.

00:42:11Guest:No.

00:42:11Guest:I knew a guy that did costumes in New York, and he agreed to let me land on him for a while.

00:42:17Guest:Right.

00:42:18Guest:uh so i took the amtrak up to penn station over tipped the cab driver and landed on 92nd street yeah and stayed with this guy and i was terrified it was overwhelming you've never been there before no oh my god yeah it's just it's massive i had a friend there yeah who'd been there for a year yeah and he knew the ropes he knew about auditions which was important because he forced me to go to auditions

00:42:44Marc:But just like casting call stuff?

00:42:47Marc:Or like you didn't have an agent or anything.

00:42:49Marc:No, you get it in a newspaper.

00:42:51Marc:Oh, right, right.

00:42:51Guest:Backstage.

00:42:52Guest:Right, backstage, yep.

00:42:53Guest:And they'd tell you where to go, who's looking for what.

00:42:56Guest:And then it was all non-equity auditions.

00:42:58Marc:Right.

00:42:59Marc:And so you just started doing that?

00:43:00Marc:Yeah.

00:43:00Marc:Calling out cold?

00:43:01Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:43:01Guest:And I got a job on the third or fourth try.

00:43:05Guest:In stage or on camera?

00:43:08Guest:No, no, nothing on camera for a long time.

00:43:11Guest:This was at a dinner theater in Springboro, Ohio, due in 1776.

00:43:15Guest:And how long did you have to do that?

00:43:17Guest:That was for, oh, years, but that only lasted until after Thanksgiving.

00:43:27Guest:Then I couldn't, my girlfriend went down and got a job at the same dinner theater, so I went down and waited tables.

00:43:33Marc:Followed her?

00:43:34Guest:Yeah, but I made more money than anybody.

00:43:37Marc:Yeah.

00:43:37Guest:Cutting their lawns, doing odd jobs.

00:43:40Guest:And this was in Ohio?

00:43:41Guest:Yeah, waiting tables.

00:43:43Guest:So you just went from New York to Ohio?

00:43:44Guest:Yeah.

00:43:45Guest:Doing whatever was necessary.

00:43:46Guest:Yeah, and I was more comfortable there because it was suburbs.

00:43:49Marc:Right, Midwest-y a bit.

00:43:51Guest:People could drive around.

00:43:52Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:43:54Marc:That's the other thing about growing up in a suburb or growing up in the Midwest is like the car thing.

00:43:58Marc:Like New York, it's like no one's got a fucking car.

00:44:00Marc:No, you don't need one.

00:44:01Marc:Yeah.

00:44:01Marc:It's just people everywhere.

00:44:03Guest:Yeah.

00:44:03Guest:You can't get away.

00:44:04Guest:I still take the train.

00:44:06Marc:Me too.

00:44:06Marc:Yeah, I mean, it's nice to have been in New York so you know how to be in New York.

00:44:09Marc:Yeah.

00:44:10Guest:I don't want to live there again.

00:44:11Guest:Yeah, I don't either.

00:44:12Guest:I mean, I dig it when I'm up there doing a play.

00:44:15Guest:Yeah.

00:44:15Guest:But after a while, I guess I'm just too used to space.

00:44:20Yeah.

00:44:20Guest:Sure.

00:44:21Guest:But do you have a place here still?

00:44:23Guest:Yeah.

00:44:26Guest:We started looking after I got sober.

00:44:27Marc:Yeah.

00:44:27Guest:Because I got sober in Malibu.

00:44:30Guest:Yeah.

00:44:30Guest:Oh, nice.

00:44:31Guest:And one of the sober mills.

00:44:33Guest:Yeah.

00:44:35Guest:The sober industry.

00:44:37Guest:Yeah.

00:44:37Guest:Well, if it works, it works, right?

00:44:39Guest:Yeah, and found a place out on the west side here, and we got one.

00:44:44Guest:I thought maybe it would help me work more out here, which I enjoyed.

00:44:47Guest:Yeah.

00:44:48Guest:That never happened.

00:44:49Guest:No?

00:44:50Guest:No.

00:44:51Guest:Because mostly in New Orleans?

00:44:54Guest:Yeah, I moved down there because my wife is from Bogalusa, Louisiana, and I thought, well, I'm gonna be on the road a lot so she could be near her parents.

00:45:02Guest:Right, and that worked out?

00:45:04Guest:Yeah, it worked out great.

00:45:05Marc:So when do you start, like, it's weird, because I think the first time I remember...

00:45:11Marc:I know you did some stage work, but the first time I remember seeing you in movies was that David Byrne movie.

00:45:18Guest:Yeah, that's like the first.

00:45:19Guest:I was doing a Broadway show then and went to an audition for David, and then I got it.

00:45:25Guest:Was it The Bear?

00:45:26Guest:The Dancing Bear.

00:45:29Marc:The Bear?

00:45:29Marc:Like you were this guy, big, nice, warm guy?

00:45:32Guest:Yeah, my brain's jammed.

00:45:33Guest:I can't think of the character's name.

00:45:35Guest:Yeah.

00:45:36Guest:But it was great because it was David.

00:45:38Guest:It was the only movie he ever directed.

00:45:40Guest:Right.

00:45:41Guest:And I just kind of hung with him on the set looking at stuff.

00:45:44Guest:And I really, really liked it.

00:45:46Guest:It wasn't the first movie I ever did, but maybe it was the first lead I'd ever gotten.

00:45:51Marc:Yeah, I guess that's why I remember it.

00:45:53Marc:And David was sort of, I just remember being in that zone of that kind of art music and what he was up to and the vision of it.

00:46:01Marc:And his wife was involved, I think, with the costumes.

00:46:03Marc:Yeah, Bonnie.

00:46:04Marc:Yeah.

00:46:05Marc:And and I just like I remember it was like going to like an art show for me.

00:46:10Marc:Yeah.

00:46:11Marc:To go see true stories.

00:46:12Marc:I was like, what is this about?

00:46:13Marc:And it had all the burn isms in it.

00:46:15Marc:Yeah.

00:46:15Marc:Did you like working with that?

00:46:16Guest:I loved him.

00:46:17Guest:Yeah.

00:46:18Guest:Yeah.

00:46:19Guest:He's just so whip smart.

00:46:22Guest:An intense guy, huh?

00:46:23Guest:Yeah.

00:46:24Guest:But in a good way.

00:46:25Guest:Oh, yeah, I guess he had done a couple movies.

00:46:27Guest:Revenge of the Nerds and... Yeah.

00:46:29Guest:Chud.

00:46:30Guest:Chud.

00:46:33Guest:You remember Jay Thomas?

00:46:34Guest:I do.

00:46:34Guest:The TV actor?

00:46:36Guest:Yeah, and Radio Man.

00:46:37Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:46:38Guest:Yeah, it was Jay and I and...

00:46:40Marc:Yeah.

00:46:42Guest:For one scene.

00:46:43Marc:Underground dweller.

00:46:44Marc:What was it, cannibalistic?

00:46:45Guest:Cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers.

00:46:47Marc:Ah, yeah.

00:46:48Guest:But a lot of my friends from the bar were in it, so I fit right in.

00:46:53Guest:So you knew everybody.

00:46:54Guest:Yeah.

00:46:55Marc:It was cast out of New York?

00:46:56Marc:Yeah.

00:46:57Marc:So when did it start to really sort of take, like you, so most of the stuff you learned, most of the stuff you did in New York was stage stuff.

00:47:06Guest:Yeah, mostly out of town or children's theater around New York.

00:47:09Marc:So you did that whole regional theater, what you were talking about before, dinner theater, just taking the gig.

00:47:14Marc:Did you see that as being, was that enough for you at the time?

00:47:18Guest:Because I started doing commercials in 78.

00:47:22Guest:Yeah.

00:47:24Guest:Then I hated myself for doing them, which is really stupid.

00:47:29Guest:But I kept getting, because I didn't care about getting them, I kept getting booked.

00:47:34Guest:Why did you hate yourself?

00:47:36Guest:Oh, I had some idealized version.

00:47:39Guest:The sellout thing?

00:47:39Guest:Why am I an alcoholic?

00:47:41Guest:Right.

00:47:42Guest:There's always some idealized version of what I should be doing.

00:47:45Guest:And all my friends at the bar were doing films or a really good theater.

00:47:48Guest:Yeah.

00:47:49Guest:Oh, right.

00:47:50Marc:So you're comparing?

00:47:51Marc:Yeah.

00:47:52Guest:Comparing despair?

00:47:53Guest:Yeah.

00:47:53Guest:I'm driving myself down because I'm probably making more dough than they are.

00:47:58Guest:Right.

00:47:58Guest:But that's when I started getting in trouble is when I'm just making money and...

00:48:03Marc:And you didn't feel good about what you were doing.

00:48:06Marc:Yeah.

00:48:06Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:07Marc:Yeah.

00:48:08Marc:Well, yeah, of course.

00:48:09Marc:I still, I battle with, because I got to, like, tomorrow I got to tape a special.

00:48:13Marc:I'm taping a comedy special tomorrow.

00:48:15Marc:And there's some part, even though I'm, like, you know, sober-minded and I've been good, you know, I feel great about a lot of things.

00:48:21Marc:There's some part of me that wants to fuck it up.

00:48:24Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:48:26Guest:How can I fuck this up?

00:48:29Guest:Ah, do it.

00:48:30Marc:Yeah, yeah, I feel him.

00:48:31Marc:I feel him.

00:48:31Marc:It's like this.

00:48:32Marc:He's looking for, like, the theater's not going to be that good.

00:48:34Guest:You know, like, what the fuck?

00:48:35Guest:Shut up.

00:48:37Marc:You know, I don't know if that second joke's going to work.

00:48:39Marc:I would have been doing it.

00:48:40Marc:It's just the worst.

00:48:42Guest:keeping that guy shut up yeah fuck him so all right so but after the commercials you know what you like were you training at all i mean no i went up there to go to a school and i went there and just like college was better yeah and the people at college were better and i got discouraged and then i got that job the dinner theater job and i left and i just chucked it

00:49:05Guest:and i wish to fuck i had gone to a proper school or stuff around yeah yeah um because i it would have given me some solid foundation more than i had from college yeah um now not so much anymore because you learn while you by doing it you do right you learn yeah but um i always wanted some more technique to fall back on but yeah i'm all right yeah

00:49:29Guest:And that's because I don't trust myself with what I'm doing.

00:49:34Guest:Right.

00:49:35Guest:That I'm looking for that technique.

00:49:36Guest:And I'm just now starting to learn that what I've been doing is okay.

00:49:41Guest:Yeah.

00:49:42Guest:You're fine.

00:49:44Guest:Just leave it alone.

00:49:45Guest:Don't nitpick every fucking thing.

00:49:47Marc:Right.

00:49:47Guest:And trust your instinct when you're there.

00:49:50Guest:That's something I never do is trust myself.

00:49:52Marc:So up to a certain point, up until fairly recently, you're saying you do things and be like, ah, fuck.

00:49:58Marc:Yeah.

00:49:58Marc:I'm just learning now to trust myself.

00:50:01Marc:Wow.

00:50:02Marc:Yeah.

00:50:03Marc:So it's been a lifetime of beating the shit out of yourself.

00:50:06Marc:Yeah.

00:50:07Marc:Oh, my God.

00:50:08Marc:Yeah.

00:50:08Marc:Well, it's so weird because the more actors I talk to, the more I realize that you're going to figure it out however you're going to figure it out.

00:50:16Marc:There's no magic way.

00:50:18Guest:And it's...

00:50:19Guest:it makes it so much easier when you're not flogging yourself.

00:50:23Guest:Yeah.

00:50:23Guest:And I don't, it was just learned behavior.

00:50:27Guest:I've always done it.

00:50:28Guest:Yeah.

00:50:29Guest:Fat kid behavior?

00:50:31Guest:Yeah, there's some progress.

00:50:33Guest:Well, that's when alcoholism started.

00:50:35Guest:Yes.

00:50:36Guest:Fat kid.

00:50:36Guest:Yeah.

00:50:37Guest:I was alone in the house and I'd eat, play games with food.

00:50:41Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:42Guest:And that's when it started.

00:50:43Guest:Yeah.

00:50:44Marc:But comforting.

00:50:46Guest:Just trust myself.

00:50:47Marc:yeah i mean it's like it's well that's what like sort of what i'm talking about too like i'm feeling that right now like there's no reason i shouldn't but you know it's it's one of those cognitive battles right yeah that you actually have to go like you know it's you know how to do well my old lick about doing this today was uh i i got nothing to talk about man i got i'm nothing i don't bring anything to the fucking party why do they want me i didn't do anything

00:51:13Guest:But I'm having a great time.

00:51:18Guest:Why did they want me?

00:51:19Guest:I didn't do anything.

00:51:20Guest:Yeah.

00:51:22Guest:Why am I being punished?

00:51:24Guest:I got nothing to say.

00:51:25Guest:When we talked about the beginning, the thing you got to go do at Washington University is like, eh, she wanted someone from St.

00:51:31Marc:Louis, I guess.

00:51:32Marc:Yeah.

00:51:34Marc:But like when...

00:51:37Guest:so like right after true stories the big easy with that with uh i had talked to dennis yeah did you play a cop in that yeah yeah yeah dennis was the head cop i got that i got three movies in a row in 85 then i started doing films yeah big easy uh which took me back to new orleans which i would go to just to get lost oh really every time i got a couple nickels together i'd fly down there

00:52:04Guest:You love it?

00:52:05Guest:I loved it, yeah.

00:52:06Guest:But what I loved was the French Quarter.

00:52:09Guest:Yeah.

00:52:10Guest:And I was a habitué of certain bars, so they knew me.

00:52:14Guest:It was like coming home.

00:52:15Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:52:15Guest:But it was all based on booze and blow.

00:52:19Marc:Yeah.

00:52:19Marc:Oh, so you had that experience of pre-Katrina New Orleans back at the high point of just when it was.

00:52:27Marc:So you got into the dark corners there.

00:52:28Guest:Yeah, yeah, and I dug it.

00:52:30Marc:Yeah.

00:52:30Marc:And the music.

00:52:32Guest:Yeah.

00:52:32Guest:Go out and get my ears dirty.

00:52:33Guest:Yeah.

00:52:34Guest:And the food.

00:52:35Guest:Yeah.

00:52:36Guest:But, yeah, it was mostly alcohol.

00:52:38Marc:Yeah, I never really had a party there.

00:52:42Marc:I ended up there once by myself, but I never got the hang of the city.

00:52:45Marc:But I do know when you go there, there's no place like it.

00:52:48Marc:Yeah.

00:52:49Marc:There's an enchanting sort of element.

00:52:51Guest:I remember one night walking on Bourbon Street, and I was drunk enough to start X and Stranger for Blow.

00:52:57Guest:Oh, God.

00:52:58Guest:And some guy drove me out to a project.

00:53:00Guest:Yeah.

00:53:01Guest:But I copped and I came back alive and I told people that story and I said, you're still here.

00:53:06Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:53:08Marc:But that's the worst where you're at a bar and you don't know the town.

00:53:13Marc:I did that once where some guy at the end of the bar, I think he had a cold.

00:53:16Marc:Yeah.

00:53:18Marc:Yeah, a genuine cold.

00:53:20Marc:I was sort of like, what's up?

00:53:23Marc:What do you got?

00:53:24Guest:Yeah, it's like people are waiting to give their blow away.

00:53:27Guest:Or that they have it.

00:53:29Guest:It's ridiculous.

00:53:30Guest:Like, you know, that guy looks like he's the kind of guy that would... It's so embarrassing.

00:53:35Marc:But Quaid is like, you know, as you're starting to do these movies with these actors, he'd been around a bit.

00:53:42Marc:Are you just learning from them, too?

00:53:44Marc:I mean, do you get... Not necessarily from them, but just by the process itself.

00:53:47Marc:The director?

00:53:47Guest:Watching other people that I admire doing it and listening to directors.

00:53:52Guest:Stuff like that.

00:53:53Guest:And then I got to work with Al Pacino a couple of years later.

00:53:58Guest:On CLF?

00:53:59Guest:Yeah.

00:53:59Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:54:00Yeah.

00:54:00Guest:And that was, you know, he was my hero when I started seeing him.

00:54:07Guest:He was just a great guy.

00:54:08Guest:Really?

00:54:09Marc:Yeah.

00:54:09Guest:Thank God.

00:54:10Guest:Yeah.

00:54:10Guest:Isn't that nice when that works out?

00:54:12Marc:Yeah.

00:54:13Guest:But he loved acting.

00:54:15Guest:Yeah.

00:54:16Guest:And the process of it, everything to do with it.

00:54:17Guest:So we'll talk about that.

00:54:19Guest:Oh, you did?

00:54:19Guest:Yeah.

00:54:20Marc:Oh, that's great.

00:54:20Guest:Yeah.

00:54:21Marc:So there was practical advice there.

00:54:23Guest:Yeah.

00:54:24Guest:Just listen to his stories.

00:54:27Guest:But yeah, he was so kind to me.

00:54:29Guest:Yeah.

00:54:30Marc:Well, that's great.

00:54:31Guest:I'm watching him work, working with him.

00:54:33Guest:That's great.

00:54:33Guest:And I'm, you know, pinching myself every time I'm doing it.

00:54:36Marc:Right.

00:54:37Marc:Yeah.

00:54:37Marc:Well, that's it's so nice when the people you revere turn out to be good people.

00:54:43Marc:Yeah.

00:54:44Marc:There's nothing worse than the sort of like a hero worship.

00:54:46Marc:And then like, these are fucking.

00:54:49Marc:That's what I'm always afraid of.

00:54:51Marc:You're that guy.

00:54:52Marc:You don't don't meet your heroes.

00:54:54Marc:Well, no, I try not to, but then I interview them, and they're usually, the one thing I've learned from talking to so many people is that everyone's just a person.

00:55:01Marc:So, like, you know, once you get them into the right perspective, which is human, they're not assholes.

00:55:06Marc:Maybe it's your expectations.

00:55:08Marc:Yeah, yeah, definitely, whatever you're projecting.

00:55:10Marc:Sure.

00:55:11Marc:So, but when the relationship with the Coens start, with Raising Arizona, right, that's right around that time.

00:55:16Guest:That's right.

00:55:16Guest:Yeah, that was the third film I did in 82.

00:55:20Guest:85, 86.

00:55:20Marc:So that's their second movie, I think.

00:55:22Marc:Yeah.

00:55:23Marc:And now, when you enter that world with those guys at that age, were you aware that, like, this is something amazing?

00:55:28Guest:I knew it was something special because it was all on the page.

00:55:33Guest:And their sense of humor was not unlike mine.

00:55:37Guest:I mean, they're a lot smarter than I am.

00:55:38Guest:Yeah.

00:55:38Guest:But...

00:55:40Guest:just hanging around with him.

00:55:41Guest:It was wonderful.

00:55:42Guest:Yeah, it was all his laughs.

00:55:43Marc:And the stories were like, when you read the script of Raising Arizona, you were like, this is amazing.

00:55:48Guest:Yeah, I just fell in love with it.

00:55:50Guest:And then I went in and met with him.

00:55:53Guest:I didn't do much reading, but we hung out for about an hour, a lot longer than I should have.

00:55:58Guest:And we were goofing on, I was goofing on resume pictures.

00:56:02Guest:We just hung.

00:56:04Marc:Yeah.

00:56:04Marc:And that part was so great.

00:56:05Marc:You and what's it?

00:56:06Marc:Bill Forsyth.

00:56:07Marc:Bill Forsyth.

00:56:08Marc:I haven't seen him in a while.

00:56:09Marc:But the whole thing was so amazing.

00:56:12Marc:I watch it like once a year or so, their movies.

00:56:15Guest:It was so much fun.

00:56:17Guest:When you come out of the ground.

00:56:18Guest:I wanted to do more.

00:56:19Guest:Yeah.

00:56:20Guest:Just how can I make this better for these guys?

00:56:24Marc:And when you do those movies, because when I was thinking about the Cohen stuff that you've done,

00:56:30Marc:They're all comedic, but you don't play them as funny, really.

00:56:35Marc:No, no.

00:56:36Marc:Yeah, but they're all insanely hilarious.

00:56:39Marc:Yeah, the straighter you are.

00:56:42Marc:The better, right?

00:56:43Guest:Yeah.

00:56:44Marc:And Nicholas Cage at that point was so wiry and so goddamn sharp.

00:56:49Marc:That must have been fun.

00:56:50Guest:Yeah, it was.

00:56:52Guest:I found out later he based his character on Woody Woodpecker.

00:56:55Guest:I thought it was Wile E. Coyote.

00:56:57Guest:It might be.

00:56:58Guest:Well, the Woody Woodpecker was a tattoo on the biker.

00:57:00Guest:Yeah, that was a car decal.

00:57:03Marc:Right, right, right.

00:57:03Guest:For motorheads.

00:57:04Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:05Guest:Wood systems.

00:57:06Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:57:07Marc:Oh, is that what that was?

00:57:08Marc:Yeah, with a bent pecker.

00:57:10Marc:Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:11Marc:Yeah, I knew it was a cartoon character.

00:57:13Marc:That's fucking hilarious.

00:57:15Marc:Now, you were in the movie Punchline, which was a ridiculous movie.

00:57:19Guest:Yeah, at the time it didn't feel ridiculous because, you know, I was hanging out at the improv every night then.

00:57:25Marc:Yeah, like as a comic, you know, when I saw it, we were like, oh, yeah, the locker room, the old comic locker room.

00:57:32Marc:Yeah, I had a different perspective.

00:57:36Guest:No, but you were in the improv crew at that time?

00:57:39Guest:Yeah, I never went on, we'd rarely go onto the floor to watch guys.

00:57:43Guest:I was just hanging out in the front bar because it was, yeah, Peter Rieger, I go, where can I hang out in L.A.?

00:57:49Guest:Yeah.

00:57:49Guest:So the improv is most like New York bars, so...

00:57:52Marc:That's true.

00:57:53Marc:They kind of had a scene there.

00:57:54Marc:People would hang around there.

00:57:56Marc:Guys would show up there at that time.

00:57:58Marc:It was a good time.

00:57:59Marc:That was the 80s.

00:58:00Marc:All the comics were around.

00:58:01Marc:Were you friends with comics?

00:58:03Guest:Yeah, I was.

00:58:04Guest:I used to see Sam Kinison all the time.

00:58:09Guest:At the comedy store?

00:58:10Guest:Yeah, Rick Dukeman.

00:58:11Guest:Dukeman.

00:58:12Guest:Yeah.

00:58:12Guest:So you used to come down to the store too, the comedy store?

00:58:14Guest:No, I went there once, but that was it.

00:58:16Marc:Yeah?

00:58:17Marc:Just the improv?

00:58:18Marc:Yeah.

00:58:19Marc:I knew Kennison.

00:58:19Marc:We did some time.

00:58:20Marc:I did plenty of blow with Sam Kennison.

00:58:22Marc:Yeah, me too.

00:58:24Marc:And then you had to listen to him and look at him.

00:58:26Guest:He's real into it.

00:58:27Guest:Look at me in the eye.

00:58:30Guest:Where you going, John?

00:58:32Guest:Hey, bathroom.

00:58:34Guest:Yeah.

00:58:35Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:58:35Marc:Those good times.

00:58:37Marc:So you work, like, what do you do, like two, three movies a year for the last, like, while?

00:58:42Marc:It's been, you know, quite a run.

00:58:43Guest:I had been, but lately I got the opportunity.

00:58:49Guest:Roseanne wanted to do this show again.

00:58:51Marc:Oh, the Connors.

00:58:52Marc:Yeah, sure.

00:58:52Guest:Yeah, that came into, that just fell in my lap.

00:58:56Marc:Yeah.

00:58:56Guest:It was nice not to be living out of a suitcase.

00:58:58Yeah.

00:58:58Marc:Why were you living out of a suitcase?

00:59:02Marc:No, we're doing films.

00:59:03Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:59:04Marc:I got a place here.

00:59:06Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:59:07Guest:And that's how it was the first time.

00:59:08Guest:I was still living in New York, but I was doing films all the time, so I was living out of a suitcase.

00:59:13Marc:And then you got the first Roseanne.

00:59:15Guest:Yeah, we hit it off.

00:59:16Guest:Roseanne and I hit it off real well at the auditions.

00:59:18Marc:Yeah, that was like 88, 87?

00:59:19Marc:87, I think.

00:59:21Marc:87.

00:59:23Marc:That was your life.

00:59:24Marc:Yeah.

00:59:26Marc:She was something else.

00:59:28Marc:She still is something else.

00:59:29Marc:But at that time, did you know going into the original Roseanne that this was going to be such a game-changing show for the culture?

00:59:39Guest:At the time, I just didn't care.

00:59:41Guest:Yeah.

00:59:41Guest:I'd go, okay, we'll maybe do five of these and then they'll kick us off.

00:59:45Guest:Right.

00:59:46Guest:But I made some nice coin.

00:59:48Right.

00:59:48Guest:Yeah.

00:59:49Guest:And I just, I didn't worry about that.

00:59:51Marc:Right.

00:59:51Marc:I didn't care.

00:59:53Marc:And then it just evolved into this massive thing.

00:59:56Marc:Yeah.

00:59:56Marc:For a decade almost.

00:59:58Marc:And you became that guy.

01:00:00Marc:Yeah.

01:00:00Marc:I'm still that guy.

01:00:02Guest:I know.

01:00:02Guest:Yeah.

01:00:03Guest:They don't know my name.

01:00:03Guest:That guy's back.

01:00:04Guest:Or the character.

01:00:05Guest:You're that guy.

01:00:05Guest:Yeah.

01:00:06Guest:You're the guy from Roseanne.

01:00:08Marc:Yeah, that's it.

01:00:09Marc:But, you know, it's weird because, like, I watched Roseanne, but, like, I wasn't, you know, a fanatic Roseanne watcher.

01:00:16Marc:So, like, you stand out in my mind as the guy in the movies more than the guy in Roseanne, which is fine.

01:00:22Marc:Yeah.

01:00:22Marc:I mean, Barton Fink is one of my favorite movies ever.

01:00:25Marc:And, you know, I'll show you a life of the mind.

01:00:27Guest:That's one I want to do over again.

01:00:29Guest:Really?

01:00:29Guest:Yeah.

01:00:30Guest:Just do it better.

01:00:31Guest:Do it better?

01:00:32Marc:You were crazy.

01:00:33Guest:Yeah.

01:00:34Marc:It was...

01:00:34Marc:Going down that hallway?

01:00:36Marc:Yeah.

01:00:36Marc:Come on, man.

01:00:37Marc:How are you going to do that better?

01:00:39Guest:That was fucking great.

01:00:40Guest:Yeah, I did that back-to-back with a movie called King Ralph with O'Toole.

01:00:44Guest:Uh-huh.

01:00:44Guest:Oh, wow.

01:00:45Guest:Which was just the best.

01:00:47Marc:Working with that guy?

01:00:48Guest:The movie stunk, but just being with Peter O'Toole.

01:00:51Guest:And you were still drinking, fortunately.

01:00:52Guest:Yeah, I was.

01:00:53Guest:He wasn't.

01:00:54Guest:Oh, damn.

01:00:54Guest:Yeah.

01:00:55Guest:Oh, wow.

01:00:55Guest:But he'd take me around to bars and different restaurants.

01:00:59Guest:Where'd you shoot that?

01:00:59Guest:London.

01:01:00Guest:First time.

01:01:01Guest:and so you got to hang out a lot with him yeah yeah he was uh we'd go out to dinner places where he had scenes yeah and we were sitting at the savoy hotel one night yeah he was surrounded by pictures of richard burton right and harris and all his friends just a little wistful yeah he was that's that generation huh yeah did you learn anything from that guy

01:01:22Guest:do the scenes as though you're late for a train.

01:01:27Guest:Really?

01:01:29Guest:Yeah.

01:01:29Guest:Urgency.

01:01:30Guest:Yeah.

01:01:30Guest:Get present.

01:01:31Guest:Yeah, that made a lot of sense to me.

01:01:34Guest:Take out all the slack.

01:01:36Marc:When you think about all the movies you've done, obviously you like working with the Coens.

01:01:44Marc:They put you in a lot of movies.

01:01:45Marc:And The Big Lebowski has this cult following.

01:01:49Marc:There's a religion to it.

01:01:51Marc:A frightening little cult.

01:01:53Marc:They are, but they seem okay, those people.

01:01:56Marc:They're nerds.

01:01:57Marc:Yeah.

01:01:58Marc:They're not bad guys.

01:01:59Marc:They're fun.

01:01:59Marc:Yeah.

01:02:00Marc:They appreciate it.

01:02:01Marc:But in doing all this work, do you look back at any of the movies with more fondness than others?

01:02:08Guest:Yeah, anything I did for Joel and Ethan.

01:02:11Guest:Yeah.

01:02:12Guest:The David Byrne film.

01:02:13Guest:Yeah, that was a big eye-opener.

01:02:15Guest:Yeah, working with Al.

01:02:17Guest:I worked with him three times now.

01:02:19Guest:Oh, really?

01:02:19Guest:Yeah.

01:02:20Guest:Yeah, there was a movie he did about Jack Hervorkian.

01:02:23Marc:Oh, that was great.

01:02:24Marc:It's a HBO movie.

01:02:25Marc:Yeah.

01:02:25Marc:Yeah, but it was one of those things where, for me, when I was watching Pacino in that, because he sort of gets a little, he gets stuck in certain habits.

01:02:34Marc:Yeah.

01:02:35Marc:But in that movie, it was like, holy shit.

01:02:37Marc:He just turned himself inside out there and became that guy.

01:02:40Marc:I didn't see any Pacino-isms.

01:02:42Guest:It was, yeah.

01:02:44Guest:It was great to watch.

01:02:45Marc:Right.

01:02:46Marc:Great to hang in there with him.

01:02:47Guest:Now, what was the Flintstones experience?

01:02:51Guest:I got roped into it.

01:02:52Guest:Yeah?

01:02:53Guest:I was doing a movie that Spielberg produced.

01:02:57Guest:Yeah.

01:02:59Guest:I did two of them.

01:03:00Guest:One was Arachnophobia.

01:03:03Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:03:04Guest:Then a movie called Always, a Stephen director.

01:03:07Guest:Yeah.

01:03:07Guest:And while we were at our first table read for Always...

01:03:11Guest:He comes in and he sits down and he goes, ladies and gentlemen, I have an announcement to make.

01:03:14Guest:I've just found my Fred Flintstone.

01:03:17Guest:And I'm looking, you know.

01:03:18Marc:Yeah.

01:03:19Guest:And I thought, oh, God, no, not this.

01:03:22Guest:Because I knew I was going to hear Yabba Dabba Doo for the rest of my life.

01:03:26Guest:And I wasn't really, I liked the Flintstones when I was in fifth grade.

01:03:29Guest:Sure.

01:03:30Marc:So you didn't feel like you had a choice?

01:03:31No.

01:03:32Guest:No.

01:03:33Guest:It was, yeah, about six months before we started filming, I called him.

01:03:38Guest:I got drunk and called him up and said, I don't think I can do this.

01:03:41Guest:Yeah.

01:03:41Guest:And I wound up doing it.

01:03:45Guest:What did he say?

01:03:46Guest:Oh, it was loud.

01:03:48Guest:But I liked working with him.

01:03:51Guest:With Spielberg?

01:03:51Guest:In arachnophobia, he'd get in the, I'd be driving a truck and he'd put himself down in the passenger side, not on the seat, but squinch down because he thought it'd be funny if he wasn't in the shot.

01:04:03Marc:Who, Spielberg?

01:04:04Marc:Yeah.

01:04:04Marc:Huh.

01:04:04Marc:Yeah.

01:04:05Marc:Was he directing that or was he a producer?

01:04:07Marc:No, he was a producer on it.

01:04:08Guest:And he just liked fucking with you?

01:04:10Guest:Yeah.

01:04:11Guest:But it was great being around there.

01:04:13Guest:I would go over to Amblin every night after I'd get off of Roseanne just to hang out.

01:04:18Guest:Oh, really?

01:04:19Guest:Yeah.

01:04:19Marc:That made me feel good.

01:04:21Marc:Because you're in it.

01:04:24Marc:You're part of it.

01:04:24Marc:Yeah.

01:04:24Guest:I felt like I'd gotten somewhere.

01:04:28Marc:So it's interesting that you were doing the Roseanne show and still going back and doing movies.

01:04:32Marc:And that was an amazing time, I would imagine.

01:04:36Marc:Yeah.

01:04:37Marc:Especially like it's King Ralph and Barton Fink.

01:04:41Marc:And like that with Hail Caesar.

01:04:43Marc:I think that's a great double feature.

01:04:44Marc:Yeah.

01:04:44Marc:Yeah, I think so too.

01:04:46Marc:Like they go together.

01:04:47Marc:It's almost like a sequel, right?

01:04:49Marc:Yeah.

01:04:50Marc:No one talks about Hell Caesar.

01:04:51Marc:I fucking love that movie.

01:04:52Marc:I did too.

01:04:53Guest:All your communists.

01:04:55Marc:Yeah, they were great.

01:04:56Marc:The communists were great.

01:04:57Marc:They're so hilarious.

01:04:59Marc:And when you did the Bring Out Your Dead, I love that movie too.

01:05:02Marc:You don't hear much about that.

01:05:04Guest:Yeah, I'm ashamed of myself for that one because I was drunk for most of it.

01:05:08Guest:I was really intimidated.

01:05:10Guest:I didn't really know what I was going to do.

01:05:12Marc:You were intimidated by working with Scorsese?

01:05:16Guest:Yeah, who I shouldn't have been.

01:05:18Guest:He was the nicest guy in the world.

01:05:19Guest:I was just very unhappy then.

01:05:24Guest:Yeah.

01:05:24Guest:wind up with a bottle um and start drinking during the day yeah during uh filming yeah and we filmed mostly at night and i didn't really have a character i really i said yes and because i wanted to work with martin scorsese and then i didn't do the work that's a weird feeling so when you're just doing you're just showing up as yourself

01:05:48Guest:Yeah, with an accent.

01:05:51Marc:That was my character.

01:05:53Marc:How do you know when you've locked into the character if you're not aware of it, right?

01:06:02Guest:Yeah, when things come naturally.

01:06:04Guest:You don't have to work that hard.

01:06:06Marc:Yeah.

01:06:07Marc:So you do some animated stuff, too, and I read that when you and Billy Crystal did the, what is it, the Cars?

01:06:15Marc:Monsters, Inc.

01:06:15Guest:Monsters, Inc.

01:06:17Marc:Because I'm involved with the animated thing now, but you guys did a lot of it together.

01:06:21Guest:Yeah, that was Billy's choice, and it was so much better when we got together.

01:06:27Guest:The energy just...

01:06:30Guest:met and zoomed.

01:06:31Guest:It was so much better when we worked together.

01:06:34Guest:Yeah.

01:06:35Guest:And I'd just hang on to Billy because he could improvise.

01:06:39Marc:Sure, right.

01:06:39Guest:And he sure did.

01:06:40Marc:Yeah, and you can feel the vibe.

01:06:42Marc:Yep.

01:06:42Marc:And it made the movie better.

01:06:44Guest:Yeah, it sure did.

01:06:45Guest:But we'd do them separately.

01:06:48Marc:Yeah.

01:06:49Guest:And then Billy came up with this idea, and then it really started working, really cooked.

01:06:52Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:06:53Marc:Well, that's fun, right?

01:06:54Marc:Are you able to identify fun?

01:06:56Guest:Yeah, I know it when I'm in it.

01:07:00Marc:Oh, that's good.

01:07:01Marc:Yeah.

01:07:01Marc:Because that has taken me a while to figure out.

01:07:05Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:07:06Guest:A long time.

01:07:07Guest:But if I'm having it, I don't want to stop.

01:07:10Guest:And my favorite thing is laughing.

01:07:12Guest:And if I do that, then I'm in a good place.

01:07:14Marc:Yeah.

01:07:15Marc:And you've got to find people that make you laugh.

01:07:17Marc:Yeah.

01:07:17Marc:So what is it like coming back to the Conners?

01:07:21Marc:It's pretty easy in the sense of, like, do you find that that guy's right there?

01:07:26Guest:Yeah, he was.

01:07:27Guest:I was worried about it because I can be worried.

01:07:30Guest:Yeah.

01:07:31Guest:Because I like being worried.

01:07:32Marc:Like, how am I going to find him again?

01:07:34Guest:We walked onto the set, and it was...

01:07:38Guest:I hate using the word surreal.

01:07:40Guest:Yeah.

01:07:41Guest:It's just overused, but that's what it was.

01:07:43Marc:Like time travel.

01:07:44Guest:Yeah, it was.

01:07:44Guest:The wallpaper was the exact same print.

01:07:47Guest:The furniture was there.

01:07:49Guest:Wow.

01:07:49Guest:Hadn't seen this stuff.

01:07:50Guest:I walked away from it.

01:07:53Guest:and boom, and Roseanne and I just went back to having a ball.

01:07:59Guest:Yeah?

01:08:00Guest:Yeah.

01:08:01Guest:It came right back.

01:08:02Guest:And I guess we did eight shows or something.

01:08:04Guest:Yeah.

01:08:05Guest:Yeah, it came right back when we had grandchildren to worry about new characters.

01:08:09Guest:Yeah.

01:08:10Guest:But, yeah, as long as I was hanging with her, I was always doing the right thing.

01:08:15Marc:Yeah, it was on the page, too, right?

01:08:17Marc:The writing and everything.

01:08:19Marc:Well, I hope she's okay.

01:08:20Marc:I do, too.

01:08:22Marc:in in terms of like doing these comedies with like what was it like working with mcbride because i watched all the gemstones and i love them and i had edie in here and you know yeah danny like i've talked to him too but he's a funny fuck yep he's not a professional funny man in the sense that he's not always on right he just says funny things and he's there's something about his demeanor though like he's got this weird cockiness

01:08:48Marc:That is so undercut by his ridiculousness.

01:08:51Marc:It's a very unique zone.

01:08:53Guest:Yeah, he really minds himself for being a prick.

01:08:57Marc:Right.

01:08:57Guest:He goes to depth.

01:08:59Marc:But somehow he's sympathetic.

01:09:00Marc:Yeah.

01:09:00Marc:Because he's such an idiot.

01:09:02Marc:Yeah.

01:09:03Marc:And not dumb, but just sort of like he's going to fuck it up somehow.

01:09:06Marc:It's a great trick.

01:09:07Marc:It is a good trick.

01:09:08Marc:I don't know how he does it.

01:09:09Guest:But he's got some imagination.

01:09:12Guest:These guys, he went to school, the North Carolina School of the Arts all hang together, write together.

01:09:17Guest:And they bought a Sears or renting a Sears, an old Sears.

01:09:21Guest:The shopping center?

01:09:22Guest:Yeah.

01:09:24Guest:And a studio is in there.

01:09:25Guest:Everything is in there.

01:09:26Guest:That's where you guys shop?

01:09:27Guest:Some of it and a lot on location.

01:09:30Guest:They bought a Sears?

01:09:31Guest:I don't know if they bought it, but they're renting it.

01:09:33Guest:And it's a movie studio.

01:09:34Guest:Down in where?

01:09:35Guest:South Carolina?

01:09:36Guest:Yeah, in Charleston.

01:09:37Guest:No kidding.

01:09:37Guest:Yep.

01:09:38Marc:It's just swell.

01:09:40Marc:And he lives out on an island, I think, over there.

01:09:42Marc:Yeah.

01:09:42Marc:And what's the other guy's name?

01:09:44Marc:Green?

01:09:44Marc:David Gordon Green.

01:09:45Marc:Yeah.

01:09:46Marc:He's kind of a genius, too.

01:09:48Marc:And Toby.

01:09:49Marc:Jody Hill.

01:09:50Marc:Yeah.

01:09:50Marc:Jody Hill.

01:09:51Marc:Yeah.

01:09:51Marc:But when you got that gig, when you looked at that stuff, were you familiar with his stuff from other stuff?

01:09:57Marc:Not really.

01:09:59Guest:Just by reputation.

01:10:00Guest:Right.

01:10:00Guest:I'd seen a couple of things.

01:10:02Guest:But it was funny.

01:10:04Guest:It was a great concept.

01:10:06Guest:Yeah.

01:10:07Guest:And I just lost my job.

01:10:10Guest:Roseanne had just gotten canned.

01:10:12Guest:Right.

01:10:14Guest:But the next day I got the script.

01:10:16Guest:I said, sure.

01:10:17Marc:Yeah.

01:10:17Marc:And now you're doing both.

01:10:19Guest:Doing two, yeah.

01:10:20Guest:Yeah.

01:10:20Guest:And are you guys doing more of the Gemstones?

01:10:23Guest:Yeah.

01:10:23Guest:We start again in February.

01:10:25Marc:That's great.

01:10:26Marc:And you feel like you feel strong.

01:10:27Marc:You feel good.

01:10:28Marc:You like your work.

01:10:29Guest:Yeah.

01:10:29Guest:And I'll be staying in the same house in South Carolina.

01:10:33Guest:So that's down.

01:10:34Guest:I don't have to worry about anything.

01:10:36Guest:Yeah.

01:10:36Guest:I like it there.

01:10:37Guest:Yeah.

01:10:39Guest:The people are wonderful.

01:10:40Guest:And that makes it easier.

01:10:41Guest:And it's always fun and suck.

01:10:43Marc:It's so funny.

01:10:43Marc:How many people in your life say this to you?

01:10:45Marc:Like, come on.

01:10:46Marc:It's great.

01:10:47Marc:John, stop it.

01:10:48Marc:No, it's good.

01:10:51Guest:Too many.

01:10:52Guest:Don't mind their own fucking business.

01:10:55Guest:oh my god so what uh all right so what do you do with the rest of your day how's that pan out for you i've got to go back to the hotel yeah get my stuff take it back home get some other stuff and go back to the hotel because we got run out i'm in pacific palace oh shit yeah with the fires yeah are they right there

01:11:17Guest:That would have been a good excuse.

01:11:19Marc:To what?

01:11:19Marc:I can't make it, Mark.

01:11:20Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:11:21Marc:My house might burn down.

01:11:23Marc:I don't have anything to say.

01:11:24Marc:You could have... Yeah.

01:11:26Guest:My house might burn down.

01:11:28Marc:Now, is this scary to you?

01:11:29Marc:It's scary, right?

01:11:30Guest:No.

01:11:31Guest:Yeah.

01:11:31Guest:It's... We're safe.

01:11:33Guest:Oh, okay.

01:11:34Guest:I got...

01:11:35Guest:stuff that I need.

01:11:37Marc:Yeah.

01:11:38Marc:My dog.

01:11:39Marc:Yeah.

01:11:39Marc:And we're safe.

01:11:40Marc:That's my, my fear is like, how the fuck am I going to get these cats out of this house?

01:11:44Marc:Dogs are good because they're like, come on boy.

01:11:46Marc:And they come.

01:11:46Marc:Cats are like, come on.

01:11:49Yeah.

01:11:50Guest:You're going to burn up.

01:11:51Guest:Yell louder.

01:11:52Marc:Yeah.

01:11:52Marc:We dig it.

01:11:53Marc:We don't care.

01:11:56Marc:Try and get us in a box.

01:11:58Marc:Well, it was great talking to you.

01:11:59Marc:Yeah, thanks, Mark.

01:12:00Marc:I think we had a lot to say, and I'm glad you came.

01:12:03Marc:I am too.

01:12:04Marc:This was fun.

01:12:05Marc:Good.

01:12:05Marc:And I like meeting you.

01:12:06Marc:I like meeting you too, man.

01:12:12Marc:john goodman i had no i don't know what to expect from anybody on this show that was really something it's a deeper place a more you know thoughtful self-aware you know a little heavy a little darker than uh but yeah i certainly identified with it and it was um it was certainly great to talk to him the conners airs tuesdays on abc and uh i was very happy to talk to john

01:12:36Marc:Okay, now let's Let's play three chords, maybe four three chords, maybe four

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