Episode 1042 - Walton Goggins

Episode 1042 • Released August 5, 2019 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Marc:Lock the gates!

00:00:09Marc:Alright, let's do this.

00:00:11Marc:How are you?

00:00:11Marc:What the fuckers?

00:00:12Marc:What the fuck buddies?

00:00:13Marc:What the fucking ears?

00:00:14Marc:What the fuckadelics?

00:00:16Marc:What's happening?

00:00:17Marc:I am Mark Maron.

00:00:19Marc:This is my podcast.

00:00:22Marc:And... Fucking, what a grim few days.

00:00:26Marc:I mean, what a grim couple weeks.

00:00:29Marc:I mean, fuck, what a grim couple years.

00:00:33Marc:Right?

00:00:34Right?

00:00:34Marc:And look, man, you know, it's a sad, horrible reality when people are massacred in the street.

00:00:43Marc:I mean, come on.

00:00:45Marc:The fuck is wrong with people?

00:00:47Marc:It makes me sad.

00:00:48Marc:It's horrifying.

00:00:51Marc:And it's just part of American life.

00:00:54Marc:And look, you know, I'm sorry to be so intense right out of the gate, but I have to I have to say something and I have to express my feelings.

00:01:04Marc:I have to say what I'm thinking.

00:01:07Marc:I'm a citizen with a microphone.

00:01:10Marc:And don't give me that shit.

00:01:11Marc:You know, don't.

00:01:12Marc:You know, look, I don't mind criticism.

00:01:15Marc:And it's always interesting, the criticism from the rotten peanut gallery, the sort of the angle of like, you know, stick to comedy, you know, lead the politics to who really to who?

00:01:27Marc:I mean, are they listening?

00:01:29Marc:Are you listening to politicians?

00:01:32Marc:Or are you listening to washed-up morning zoo jocks who, after years of failure and irrelevance, morphed into autocratic enablers dumping their broken egos into a hackneyed tsunami of brain-altering, bullshit, hateful talking points for dum-dums?

00:01:50Marc:Oh, yeah, those guys.

00:01:51Marc:Those guys know better.

00:01:52Marc:Yeah, those guys.

00:01:56Marc:Come on.

00:01:57Marc:Sorry, man.

00:01:58Marc:Good morning.

00:01:59Marc:I apologize.

00:02:00Marc:No, I don't.

00:02:02Marc:It's fucking... It's just sad.

00:02:04Marc:And I feel bad for the people that lost people, and I feel bad...

00:02:10Marc:For all of us, you know, because it really seems like the seams are just, they're all ripping, you know, as the evil and the angry just kind of push through and find ways to destroy, like, any sense of security or safety we may have once had, you know, when we leave our houses or our apartments or our places of work or we go shopping or

00:02:37Marc:And, you know, I got to be honest with you.

00:02:40Marc:It's coming from the top down, man.

00:02:42Marc:And I don't think there's any way to separate that.

00:02:45Marc:I don't think there's any way...

00:02:48Marc:to negate that.

00:02:51Marc:It comes directly from the top, directly through the channels that go straight into the minds of the unstable, who have wrapped their brains around an ideology of hate based in their own sickness, enforced by repetitive talking points and like-minded cowards online.

00:03:09Marc:I mean, this is what it is.

00:03:11Marc:These are radicalized people.

00:03:13Marc:They are radicalized in their isolation,

00:03:16Marc:And through the information that they choose to take in.

00:03:20Marc:And domestic terrorism, passively or, you know, quite honestly, blatantly encouraged by the current administration, it has to be recognized for what it is.

00:03:31Marc:It's fundamentally anti-American.

00:03:34Marc:It's terrorism.

00:03:36Marc:And it's coming from the top.

00:03:39Marc:And they walk among us, unchecked.

00:03:43Marc:But more specifically...

00:03:46Marc:Americans are killing their neighbors, massacring their neighbors because of ideological and political reasons.

00:03:57Marc:They are massacring their neighbors.

00:04:02Marc:That's what the divisiveness and the rhetoric has provoked.

00:04:08Marc:It comes down from the top.

00:04:11Marc:And there are mentally unstable people and Americans who

00:04:16Marc:are massacring their neighbors.

00:04:20Marc:All right.

00:04:21Marc:On the lighter side, I really enjoyed my time in Raleigh, North Carolina.

00:04:25Marc:I loved it.

00:04:26Marc:I love going down there.

00:04:27Marc:And I'll tell you about that.

00:04:29Marc:I will tell you about that.

00:04:30Marc:So season three of Globe premieres this Friday, August 9th on Netflix.

00:04:35Marc:Sword of Trust is opening in more theaters this weekend.

00:04:39Marc:You can go to sortoftrust.com to see where it's playing near you.

00:04:44Marc:I'll be at Revolution Hall in Portland, Oregon this weekend.

00:04:48Marc:Then I'll be in Dallas, Austin, and Houston, Texas, August 22nd through 24th.

00:04:54Marc:You can go to wtfpod.com for all my upcoming tour dates.

00:04:58Marc:Dean Del Rey, I believe, will be with me on the Texas run.

00:05:02Marc:I'm going to be driving through Texas with Dean Del Rey.

00:05:05Marc:Did I mention that Walton Goggins is on the show?

00:05:09Marc:Walton Goggins.

00:05:12Marc:The Walton Goggins.

00:05:14Marc:Yeah, from Vice Principals, from Hateful Eight, from Justified.

00:05:19Marc:It's got a new movie out that I thought was very, it was eerie, but it was human.

00:05:27Marc:It was real.

00:05:29Marc:It's called Them That Follow.

00:05:30Marc:It's a very specific story about a very specific group of people.

00:05:34Marc:That would be a small clan of Pentecostals, snake handlers up in the mountains of somewhere.

00:05:44Marc:And I found it very compelling.

00:05:47Marc:And I love him.

00:05:48Marc:And it was a high time we met.

00:05:50Marc:So Goggins is here.

00:05:53Marc:You will hear me talk to him soon.

00:05:57Marc:But I should tell you about North Carolina.

00:06:00Marc:Every time I go there, I'm nervous, but there's no reason to be nervous.

00:06:03Marc:It's America, right?

00:06:04Marc:There's no reason to be nervous just to go to another state that may not, on a majority level, have the same beliefs as you, right?

00:06:12Marc:Americans, we're all Americans, right?

00:06:14Marc:But I love it down there and I've never had a bad experience down there.

00:06:18Marc:I always meet nice people and I have a great bunch of fans down there.

00:06:23Marc:And I did five shows at Good Nights in Raleigh, and it's a great club, well run.

00:06:29Marc:Mary Radzinski opened for me.

00:06:31Marc:She did a great job, and the people came out.

00:06:33Marc:And that last night, that fifth show, I was loopy and a little dark and a little weird, but it was cool, man.

00:06:40Marc:I had a good time, rented a car, took the advice of a listener because of my pottery obsession.

00:06:46Marc:As I said before I left, it seems like I could maybe get a lifetime's worth of pottery in Seagrove, North Carolina, which is a pottery hub historically from way back in the day.

00:07:01Marc:And I went, man, I went and it was it was a really kind of a great experience.

00:07:08Marc:The craft, the art of pottery, but just the basic craft of it is sort of fascinating.

00:07:14Marc:And Brian Jones, who makes mugs for this show, and sometimes we sell them to you.

00:07:21Marc:He hooked me up with some friends of his.

00:07:23Marc:So I drove out to Seagrove and I went to Bulldog Pottery.

00:07:27Marc:I met Bruce and Samantha over there.

00:07:29Marc:Spent about an hour.

00:07:30Marc:They're just geniuses with glazes and they just make pottery.

00:07:34Marc:I didn't realize how quickly you can make pottery, but that's besides the point.

00:07:38Marc:And so I talked to them for like an hour.

00:07:39Marc:The way of life seemed appealing to me.

00:07:41Marc:They had a nice plot of land and they're very peaceful people.

00:07:46Marc:The life of a potter, man.

00:07:48Marc:The life of a potter.

00:07:50Marc:Maybe in my heart I was looking for alternative lifestyle options for when the shit hits the fan.

00:07:57Marc:Head to the hills and get a wheel.

00:08:01Marc:Get a deal on a kiln and just hide out and make pots.

00:08:06Marc:Plates, bowls, cups, sculptural things.

00:08:11Marc:Right?

00:08:12Marc:I could do that.

00:08:13Marc:I'd have to learn how to...

00:08:16Marc:throw a pot and have to learn how to pound the clay and spin it around.

00:08:22Marc:But I could do that, right?

00:08:23Marc:See, that's always really the weird thing about fantasies, about alternate life fantasies.

00:08:28Marc:Like, you know, different options is that if you're going to choose one that involves a fairly deep skill set, you might want to think it all the way through.

00:08:38Marc:I can't go up there and just...

00:08:40Marc:based on my small amount of celebrity and kind of wing it and maybe open up a little gallery and just maybe call it like, hey, I'm trying Pottery by Mark.

00:08:52Marc:Yeah, that plate, I don't know if it's really practical because it's kind of thick and heavy and weird looking.

00:08:57Marc:I fucked up the sides and I didn't get it thin enough.

00:09:00Marc:But it's nice.

00:09:02Marc:I think it's nice, don't you?

00:09:03Marc:I mean, I can even give you, you know what, you can have it.

00:09:06Marc:You can have it.

00:09:07Marc:I'll give it to you.

00:09:08Marc:Want me to sign it?

00:09:09Marc:I used to be on GLOW.

00:09:13Marc:And then they told me to go to this place called Star Works in Star, North Carolina.

00:09:19Marc:That's about five miles outside of Seagrove, which used to be a sock factory.

00:09:24Marc:And it's now this art cooperative.

00:09:26Marc:It's a community.

00:09:27Marc:People do residencies there and ceramics and glassblowing.

00:09:30Marc:They have a huge gallery with a bunch of different artists.

00:09:33Marc:They have a cafe.

00:09:35Marc:It's just out there, man.

00:09:36Marc:It's out in the middle of North Carolina.

00:09:37Marc:And it's fucking great.

00:09:39Marc:And then I went over to this dude's house.

00:09:41Marc:who Brian respects a lot.

00:09:43Marc:His name's David Stemfley.

00:09:46Marc:And this dude does wood kiln pottery.

00:09:48Marc:So he's got a kiln on his property.

00:09:50Marc:You drive out and drive it out into the middle of nowhere.

00:09:52Marc:He's got a nice chunk of land, a beautiful house.

00:09:55Marc:And out back, he's got a giant oven that looks as long as two trucks.

00:10:01Marc:And it's clearly he built it.

00:10:03Marc:And it's a wood-burning kiln.

00:10:05Marc:And he's not even using that one anymore.

00:10:07Marc:He built himself another one.

00:10:08Marc:And he makes these pieces, these ceramic pots around his tires, truck tires, and they're about three or four feet high, just giant vases.

00:10:19Marc:Then I went over to Dean and Martin Pottery, Jeff Dean and Stephanie Nicole Martin.

00:10:25Marc:She turns out to be a fan.

00:10:26Marc:I didn't meet Jeff, but she was there.

00:10:28Marc:And she was making me, I didn't know, she's making me a Peter Green mug.

00:10:32Marc:Yeah, with Peter Green's face on it.

00:10:34Marc:And that's going to come.

00:10:35Marc:And I bought another one of her pieces and one of his pieces.

00:10:38Marc:But I think the real mind blower, just in terms of the experience, I went over to this guy, Eck McCandless, his place, and he does these pots and you look at them all and you're like, is this a gimmick or what?

00:10:51Marc:They're almost psychedelic.

00:10:53Marc:And you think like, is that glaze or what?

00:10:55Marc:The patterns on them are fucking mind blowing and they're trippy.

00:10:59Marc:And I didn't know what to make of them at first.

00:11:01Marc:And I'm like, is that from, you paint that on?

00:11:05Marc:He's like, no, that's the clay.

00:11:07Marc:And I'm like, what do you mean?

00:11:08Marc:He's like, I only use clear glaze.

00:11:09Marc:That's the clay.

00:11:10Marc:It's like just trippy, almost looks like...

00:11:14Marc:just random patterns that are kind of like organized.

00:11:18Marc:I can't really explain it.

00:11:20Marc:But he said, do you want me to show you how you do it?

00:11:22Marc:And we just go into this other room, and he takes like three different colors of clay, and he smacks them together, and he plops it on the wheel, and he wets it, and just starts working it.

00:11:31Marc:And this took like four minutes.

00:11:34Marc:And he's spinning it, and he just pulls up on it, and he fucking threw a cup.

00:11:40Marc:in like four minutes and i didn't realize you could do it that fast because in my mind it's like oh man you're gonna make a pot it's gonna take a fucking hour nope like three minutes i think i'm doing it folks i think uh no no meditation for me i'm gonna get a potter's wheel i was gonna make the garage a the studio for this but i'm doing okay in the bedroom i think that's gonna be the pottery place

00:12:04Marc:Is it too late to start with the sort of ambition of being great at it at 55?

00:12:10Marc:Pottery?

00:12:11Marc:Is it?

00:12:12Marc:I'm half serious.

00:12:13Marc:I'm half serious.

00:12:14Marc:But seriously, if anyone can get me a wheel, an electric one, I don't want to go old school.

00:12:21Marc:I think the one time I did pottery or a few times I did it when I was a kid, you had to kick it with your foot.

00:12:27Marc:Is that possible?

00:12:28Marc:I believe so.

00:12:29Marc:Now, Walton, Walton Goggins, you know him.

00:12:31Marc:You probably if you don't know him, you know him.

00:12:33Marc:All right.

00:12:34Marc:That's what I'm telling you.

00:12:35Marc:He you know, you might know him from all the way back.

00:12:38Marc:He was in The Apostle.

00:12:40Marc:He's been in a lot of movies with Robert Duvall.

00:12:44Marc:But more recently, he was in The Hateful Eight.

00:12:46Marc:He was also in Justified.

00:12:48Marc:I talked to Timothy Olyphant.

00:12:50Marc:about him a little bit.

00:12:52Marc:I just love him.

00:12:52Marc:Vice Principals, Hateful Eight.

00:12:54Marc:Did I mention that already?

00:12:56Marc:Now this new movie, which I watched, and it's pretty amazing because it sort of sets a vibe like it's going to be a scary movie, and it is a little scary, but it's not a horror film.

00:13:07Marc:It's an actual...

00:13:08Marc:sort of well kind of grounded human story that sort of takes place in a very rarefied world of Pentecostals.

00:13:18Marc:And it's called Them That Follow.

00:13:19Marc:And I thought it was I thought it was great.

00:13:22Marc:And he's great in it.

00:13:23Marc:And this is me talking to Walton Goggins.

00:13:27Marc:That film, by the way, is playing now.

00:13:35Guest:I'm ready.

00:13:35Marc:We're ready.

00:13:36Marc:We're here.

00:13:36Guest:You do it.

00:13:36Guest:And let's do it.

00:13:37Guest:Hi, my name is Walton Goggins.

00:13:38Guest:Nice to meet you, Walton.

00:13:39Guest:I'm auditioning for the role of Mark Maron's guest on his podcast.

00:13:44Marc:Okay, great.

00:13:44Marc:Great.

00:13:45Marc:Thanks for coming in.

00:13:45Guest:Great.

00:13:46Marc:Good to be here.

00:13:47Marc:Yeah.

00:13:47Marc:Did you prepare anything?

00:13:48Guest:I prepared nothing.

00:13:49Marc:Good.

00:13:49Marc:That's the best way to be Mark Maron's guest.

00:13:51Guest:Literally zero.

00:13:53Guest:I have no preparation whatsoever.

00:13:55Marc:You can move that mic in.

00:13:56Marc:You can move the mic in.

00:13:57Marc:You don't have to.

00:13:58Marc:Yeah, I can move it closer to me.

00:13:59Marc:There you go.

00:13:59Marc:Watch this.

00:14:00Guest:Yeah, because I'm leaning back in this chair.

00:14:01Guest:So what were you going to ask me?

00:14:02Marc:You got some of your mic?

00:14:03Marc:You know what?

00:14:03Guest:Here's what I was going to ask you.

00:14:04Guest:I was going to ask you the color of gray on your wall.

00:14:07Guest:Yeah.

00:14:07Guest:Oh, you want to know?

00:14:08Guest:I'd like to know what color gray this is.

00:14:10Guest:Oh, for your house?

00:14:11Guest:For my house, yeah.

00:14:12Guest:I mean, we just did something downstairs.

00:14:14Guest:Yeah.

00:14:15Guest:Look, guys, we're talking about houses.

00:14:16Guest:I walked into Mark's house.

00:14:18Marc:I think I have it downstairs.

00:14:19Marc:After the thing...

00:14:20Marc:We'll go down.

00:14:20Marc:I'll show it to you.

00:14:21Marc:You can take a picture of the color gray.

00:14:23Marc:Lovely.

00:14:24Marc:The paint can.

00:14:24Guest:Yeah.

00:14:25Guest:You like it?

00:14:25Guest:I absolutely love it.

00:14:27Guest:You have a beautiful home.

00:14:28Marc:Thank you very much.

00:14:29Guest:And it's an old home.

00:14:30Guest:It's an anomaly in Los Angeles to kind of find these.

00:14:32Guest:I, too, live in an old home.

00:14:34Guest:Is it a craftsman?

00:14:35Guest:No, it's not a craftsman.

00:14:36Guest:Like, is it a mission style?

00:14:38Guest:No, it's not.

00:14:39Guest:This is what's so cool about it.

00:14:40Guest:Let me keep guessing.

00:14:41Guest:Keep guessing.

00:14:42Marc:Go ahead.

00:14:42Marc:Is it a ranch?

00:14:44Marc:No.

00:14:45Marc:Is it a weird thing?

00:14:46Marc:It's an igloo.

00:14:48Marc:Oh, wow.

00:14:48Marc:It was crazy.

00:14:49Marc:It's hard to keep those up in Los Angeles.

00:14:50Marc:Yes, it was a trend.

00:14:51Marc:Yeah, you know, it's like that's...

00:14:53Guest:My air conditioning bill is fucking insane.

00:14:57Guest:It's so crazy.

00:14:58Guest:What is it?

00:14:59Guest:No, it's kind of like a new Regency kind of house.

00:15:03Guest:It was built by the biggest lumberyard dealer in the city of Los Angeles, I think in Southern California.

00:15:14Guest:Yeah.

00:15:15Guest:And he built an all brick house.

00:15:17Guest:Weird.

00:15:18Guest:Weird.

00:15:18Guest:weird but in the hills and in the hills and the lower and the lower yeah the lower hills and but he uh he he supplied as the story goes he supplied all of the studios with the timber yeah the wood to build all of their sets and and he used uh apparently ran out he ran yeah yeah that's right and he used the best tender like timber to to build you know the interior frame of of this house and uh

00:15:43Guest:you know we bought it we're only the fourth owner and uh whatever 97 97 years that's wild and i love man i love i love design and you got a kid yeah we have a kid yeah uh eight and a half year old yeah yeah he's uh yeah the love the love of my life and it's and it's um it's it's it's great i mean i bought my first house when i was 29 years old um and uh up in laurel canyon i was much older

00:16:07Guest:You were.

00:16:07Guest:I didn't even know how to buy a house.

00:16:09Guest:I was probably 40.

00:16:10Guest:Wow.

00:16:10Marc:Maybe.

00:16:11Guest:Well, you weren't on a basic cable show, so that's what you're saying.

00:16:15Guest:I was on FX, and I had a little bit of money in the bank, and we did the pilot, and it's like, you know what?

00:16:20Guest:Worst case scenario.

00:16:21Guest:It had a unit downstairs that I could move into with a tenant, but I thought, look, if I never work again, then I'll just move downstairs and rent the top.

00:16:32Marc:That's my plan with the thing I'm doing.

00:16:34Marc:Always.

00:16:35Marc:Make it comfortable, man.

00:16:36Marc:Yeah.

00:16:37Marc:If the worst comes to worst.

00:16:38Marc:My fear is I'm going to have to move a parent in there.

00:16:40Marc:I still got both of them.

00:16:41Marc:Yeah.

00:16:44Guest:That is a big fear.

00:16:46Marc:I'm afraid to even say it publicly.

00:16:48Marc:I don't want to give them any ideas.

00:16:49Marc:Yeah, right?

00:16:50Marc:Come on, mom, dad.

00:16:52Marc:Keep it together.

00:16:53Guest:I did that, man.

00:16:55Guest:With your parent?

00:16:56Guest:Well, we're talking about houses.

00:16:58Guest:Mm-hmm.

00:16:59Guest:And I just went through this extraordinary experience.

00:17:03Guest:And I think, you know, we're all lucky if you get the opportunity to do this.

00:17:06Guest:But my mom went through a really tough time.

00:17:10Guest:Yeah.

00:17:12Guest:Physically, you mean?

00:17:14Guest:Yeah.

00:17:15Guest:Yeah.

00:17:15Guest:And it was like happening.

00:17:17Guest:And my mom's a really cool chick.

00:17:20Guest:She's a cool woman.

00:17:21Guest:And I was raised by a group of very cool women that were extremely functionally dysfunctional.

00:17:28Marc:It was a group?

00:17:28Guest:Yeah, well, my mother and her three sisters and my grandmother and my cousin, who's a younger sister, but still, she's, I don't know, she played a big part of it.

00:17:41Guest:But my mom went through, you know, I was raised in the same house.

00:17:45Guest:She lived in the same house that I was raised in.

00:17:47Guest:Where's that?

00:17:48Guest:Georgia, a little town called Lithia Springs.

00:17:50Guest:And it was like 900 square feet.

00:17:52Guest:Yeah.

00:17:52Guest:And two bedroom, one bath.

00:17:54Guest:That's like my old house, yeah.

00:17:55Guest:Yeah, you had to walk through my bedroom to get to it.

00:17:56Guest:Yeah.

00:17:57Guest:Oh, really?

00:17:57Guest:To get to the bathroom?

00:17:58Guest:Yeah.

00:17:59Guest:And it was a little house in the country.

00:18:02Guest:It was built in the 1850s.

00:18:04Guest:And, you know, butane heaters.

00:18:07Guest:And you lived there your whole life?

00:18:09Guest:I mean, until I left to go away to college, yeah.

00:18:11Guest:I lived there, yeah.

00:18:13Guest:And it was my... The way in which I was raised was very unconventional in the sense that, you know, my mom had a very eclectic group of friends.

00:18:22Guest:Super fucking cool.

00:18:23Guest:What version of eclectic?

00:18:25Guest:Hippie, eclectic?

00:18:26Guest:Yeah, hippie, yeah.

00:18:28Guest:Like the big chill meets biker gang meets hardcore.

00:18:35Guest:When I say Yaggies, there was this religious group in Decatur, Georgia that wore refurbished mops.

00:18:41Marc:What?

00:18:42Guest:Wait, who were they?

00:18:43Guest:Yaggies?

00:18:44Guest:Yeah, it was just the name of this little group of people that kind of got together.

00:18:47Guest:My mom has had a lot of, between her and her sisters,

00:18:52Marc:it's a southern i've seen a lot of that yes southern yeah which is come on it's uh it's harder to be eclectic in the south than it is in the north or on the west coast i know no it's different it's more specific you know like there's a the the west coast eclectic there's a there's a spectrum of it but southern there's always some some mix to it that you're like what what are those who are those people

00:19:13Marc:Yeah.

00:19:14Marc:There's a slight hillbilly tinge.

00:19:16Marc:What the fuck are they doing?

00:19:18Marc:Yeah.

00:19:19Marc:I want to know more about the Yaggies.

00:19:20Guest:What the fuck are the Yaggies?

00:19:22Guest:Is that what they call themselves?

00:19:23Guest:That's the thing.

00:19:23Guest:That's what they call themselves.

00:19:25Guest:Yeah.

00:19:25Guest:I just remember this group because my mom's sister, who's as esoteric as they come, it was like some of her friends.

00:19:32Guest:And your aunt was one of them.

00:19:33Guest:My aunt was one of them.

00:19:34Guest:Yeah.

00:19:35Guest:Yeah.

00:19:35Guest:That's right.

00:19:36Guest:Was there a leader?

00:19:37Guest:I don't remember.

00:19:38Guest:I never met the leader.

00:19:39Guest:I don't know what would happen to me if I did.

00:19:42Guest:Maybe I've become the leader.

00:19:45Guest:You're ready.

00:19:46Guest:I'm auditioning for the leader of the Yankees.

00:19:48Marc:You played kind of a cult leader in the movie that you're out doing.

00:19:52Marc:Kind of.

00:19:53Guest:We'll get to that.

00:19:54Guest:And I would not say cult because this has been around for 125 years.

00:19:58Marc:Pentecostals.

00:19:58Marc:Yes, that's right.

00:19:59Marc:So how is it that you were brought up by all these women?

00:20:03Marc:Where's the old man during all this?

00:20:05Guest:You don't know?

00:20:08Guest:No, no, I do, yeah.

00:20:09Guest:And my dad was a tough fella, and he did the best that he could.

00:20:14Marc:What version of tough fella?

00:20:16Guest:You know, I mean, I don't know.

00:20:18Guest:I think I leave that up to individual interpretation, whatever tough fella would mean to you.

00:20:22Guest:But my parents were divorced when I was three years old.

00:20:25Guest:Oh, okay, right, right.

00:20:26Guest:And my dad had to go out and make his living, and he was on the road a lot and lived in different states.

00:20:33Guest:And I just didn't see him that often.

00:20:35Guest:But his father, my grandfather, was like the rock in my life, like the rock male figure in my life.

00:20:44Marc:He was around?

00:20:45Guest:Yeah, he was around.

00:20:45Guest:Yeah, I was with him a lot.

00:20:48Guest:But these women in my life, they were all kind of all over the place.

00:20:54Guest:And one aunt was an actor in the theater.

00:20:58Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:20:58Guest:And another aunt, she was a number of things, but she worked with B.B.

00:21:02Guest:King as a publicist.

00:21:04Guest:I think he had a lot of publicists, but she worked with Phyllis Diller.

00:21:07Guest:Music business?

00:21:08Marc:Show business, publicist?

00:21:09Guest:Kind of, but I don't know how influential she was in his life, but they were very, very good friends.

00:21:17Marc:But that's a weird jump, Phyllis Diller and B.B.

00:21:19Marc:King.

00:21:20Guest:Yeah, and Wolfman Jack, mate.

00:21:21Guest:Oh, so those are the clients.

00:21:23Guest:Those were some of them, you know, and I think she had a lot more.

00:21:26Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, old man Jack.

00:21:27Guest:Yeah, dude.

00:21:28Guest:But I, yeah, so it was meeting, like, and then another aunt was a nurse.

00:21:35Marc:And the Aggie aunt.

00:21:36Guest:Yeah, but they were all strange and... Around?

00:21:41Guest:Around and on the road.

00:21:43Guest:I wasn't raised really by anybody.

00:21:45Guest:I think my mom would say that, like, you're the only child I know that raised himself, you know?

00:21:49Guest:That's not true, I'm not the only one, but it was a community of people.

00:21:54Guest:Yeah, did you have siblings?

00:21:56Guest:I had no siblings growing up.

00:21:58Guest:I have a half-brother.

00:21:59Guest:Yeah, through your dad?

00:22:01Guest:Yeah, through my dad, yep, yep.

00:22:03Guest:And I just haven't spent, he's 14 years younger than me, so I just haven't spent that much time.

00:22:08Guest:But you know him?

00:22:08Guest:I do, yeah, I know him, yeah.

00:22:10Guest:And your dad's still around?

00:22:11Guest:Yep, and we are very close, and he has come back around, and I had dinner with him not too long ago.

00:22:19Guest:It's been really nice, yeah, to accept someone for who they are, you know?

00:22:25Guest:And he accepts me for who I am, and I accept him for who he is.

00:22:27Marc:So you had a sort of a moment where you had to come to terms with each other?

00:22:32Marc:I think a lot of people have that moment, or either you don't have that moment.

00:22:36Marc:Well, it's sad if you don't.

00:22:37Guest:Yeah, that's right.

00:22:38Guest:Yeah.

00:22:39Marc:Yeah.

00:22:39Marc:And we did.

00:22:39Marc:Yeah.

00:22:40Marc:We've had that.

00:22:40Marc:Did you have like one of those kind of like, you know, fuck you, man.

00:22:44Marc:And then like we had like we had a lot of fuck you, man.

00:22:47Marc:Yeah.

00:22:48Guest:We had a lot of fuck you, man.

00:22:50Guest:Yeah.

00:22:51Guest:And it's, you know, it's God.

00:22:53Guest:I hope I don't have I'm really I'm trying very hard.

00:22:56Marc:with my son not to have the fuck you man conversation or at least just one maybe one one or two different or maybe it's like a joke maybe it's like hey fuck you man yeah yeah you know maybe it's one of those you'll get a fuck you man at like 15 and then maybe another fuck you man at like 22 and then maybe you'll level off but some of it's just natural sort of like i'm my own dude yeah as opposed to like where the fuck were you good you know it's different

00:23:21Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:22Marc:You seem like you're on top of it.

00:23:23Guest:Yeah, we're pretty on top of it.

00:23:26Guest:Yeah, we're trying really, really hard.

00:23:28Guest:Look, my relationship with my father was very difficult.

00:23:32Guest:And I was so afraid.

00:23:36Guest:I never wanted to have a child, ever.

00:23:38Guest:Never entered my- I didn't have any.

00:23:40Guest:You didn't?

00:23:41Guest:Yeah, I made it through.

00:23:42Guest:Well, then can I say, then I'll just be here with you saying, I'm just going to say, fuck you, man.

00:23:46Guest:Yeah, thanks, buddy.

00:23:47Marc:Fuck you, Mark.

00:23:48Marc:Good luck with your life, man.

00:23:49Marc:Good luck with your fucking life, man.

00:23:51Marc:All right, buddy.

00:23:51Marc:All right.

00:23:52Marc:Well, you know, I hope everything works out for you and let me know if you need anything.

00:23:55Guest:Could I borrow like- Sure, man.

00:23:56Marc:Whatever you need.

00:23:57Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:23:57Guest:Whatever you need.

00:23:58Guest:And just in the name of your gray paint in case I get a house someday, dad.

00:24:01Guest:That's all.

00:24:02Marc:That's all I need.

00:24:03Marc:Anything you need.

00:24:04Guest:I hope you work it out.

00:24:06Guest:I'll be here when you're ready.

00:24:07Guest:Awesome.

00:24:08Guest:Wonderful.

00:24:08Guest:Yeah.

00:24:08Guest:Yeah, but I was with this friend of my wife's actually, and he's an artist.

00:24:15Guest:His name is Sasha Newley.

00:24:17Marc:What kind?

00:24:19Guest:A painter?

00:24:20Guest:A painter, yeah.

00:24:21Guest:And his mother is Joan Collins.

00:24:25Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:24:26Guest:As his mother.

00:24:27Guest:And he's an extraordinary guy and is one of my wife's dearest friends.

00:24:32Guest:And he was over at our home when my wife was pregnant, you know, early stages.

00:24:39Guest:Yeah.

00:24:40Guest:And I was just...

00:24:41Guest:freaking the fuck out man I mean it was a it was but it was a conscious conception this wasn't an accident yeah like we knew exactly what we were doing kind of in that moment I never wanted to have a child until four o'clock in the morning on a beach in Mexico very sober looking at my wife I'm a Scorpio my wife is a Scorpio we're looking at our constellation in the sky and she said do you know the Scorpio constellation really no and she said well here it is and we're very sober it had been raining for three days the rain stopped my wife said let's go outside I said but it's four o'clock in the morning she said exactly I

00:25:11Guest:Or two o'clock.

00:25:11Guest:And we just sat up and talked two and a half hours and saw, and I was like, wow, I fucking love this woman.

00:25:17Guest:It's amazing.

00:25:19Guest:And saw a shooting star that looked like it landed in our room.

00:25:22Guest:And we both turned to each other and said, that's our son.

00:25:26Guest:Let's go get him.

00:25:26Guest:Come on.

00:25:27Guest:Swear to God.

00:25:28Guest:I'm not making this story up.

00:25:29Guest:Swear to God.

00:25:30Guest:Walked inside and made love.

00:25:33Guest:And I said, are you sure?

00:25:34Guest:Are you absolutely sure?

00:25:35Guest:She said, yeah.

00:25:37Guest:And there it was.

00:25:38Marc:That was when it happened?

00:25:40Guest:That's when it happened.

00:25:41Guest:Because we came back home a few days later.

00:25:43Guest:And then I got on a plane maybe a few days after that to go to Australia.

00:25:49Guest:And she called and she had a reason to get blood work for something else.

00:25:52Guest:She said, oh, by the way, that would happen.

00:25:55Guest:that did it that uh that was it first shot first fucking shot man boom yeah excited yes i was very i was very excited which which gave you know that i was extremely excited which gave way to panic yeah hardcore panic and claustrophobia and uh no way out now yeah no way out that's exactly right and uh that's funny it was claustrophobia because that came directly from what you came from it's sort of like

00:26:20Guest:I could run.

00:26:21Marc:Yeah.

00:26:22Marc:Ah, yeah.

00:26:23Marc:Right?

00:26:23Marc:Yeah.

00:26:25Marc:He had that learned impulse.

00:26:27Guest:Yeah.

00:26:27Guest:I'm out.

00:26:27Guest:Yeah, I'm out.

00:26:28Guest:Yeah, that's very true.

00:26:30Guest:Yeah.

00:26:31Guest:And in this conversation with this guy, Sasha,

00:26:36Guest:I just didn't know that it was possible to have the relationship that I would have wanted to have with a father.

00:26:42Guest:I just didn't.

00:26:43Guest:Even though my father and I have a good relationship now.

00:26:46Guest:After the fact.

00:26:47Guest:Yeah, after the fact.

00:26:48Guest:And he just said, his father, he said, I held my father's hand at a party until he passed.

00:26:56Guest:Well, in my 30s, I would walk into a party with my father and hold his hand because I adored him.

00:27:01Guest:I loved him.

00:27:01Guest:And I thought, fuck, man.

00:27:03Guest:well, maybe that is possible.

00:27:05Guest:Maybe that does happen in the world.

00:27:07Guest:And so he came and that's kind of really what I'm endeavoring to do.

00:27:11Marc:And he said that to you and it moved you.

00:27:13Guest:Big time.

00:27:14Marc:Yeah, because I just had a weird thing with my old man where I've had problems with him and he's problematic, but when they live in your head,

00:27:24Marc:You know, you kind of hold him in a place.

00:27:25Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:27:26Marc:And then, like, you know, I just checked in with him recently.

00:27:29Marc:I saw him, and he's 80.

00:27:30Marc:You know, and he's frail.

00:27:31Marc:He's 80 years old.

00:27:32Marc:And I just was like, oh, man, I got to let all that shit go.

00:27:35Marc:You know, and I just... Oh, is that when you said it?

00:27:37Marc:Well, no, I've said it before, but, like, really now, it's sort of like, you know, time to sort of, like...

00:27:43Marc:appreciate that he's still around you know sit down with him see what he wants to eat put your arm around him tell him you love him and you know and like appreciate the good things that you got from him yeah you know whatever the hell you're mad about it's it's long oh it's and i've known this for years yes of course and you can know it intellectually like i'm not mad at him you know they did what they could whatever but then one day like it really goes away yeah

00:28:07Marc:right you know what i mean where it's like it's lifted out of your heart it's not some exercise yeah of of acceptance right you feel it yeah it's not something you read in a book right and you know and i and i felt it it was good yeah yeah did you have that with your dad i yeah i i i i did have that with with my father um but

00:28:28Guest:I thought I had it, I had it intellectually, as you stated.

00:28:35Guest:And I've known this for a long time, just to accept him and to love him and to meet him kind of where he is.

00:28:42Guest:And it's cool.

00:28:44Guest:I get it.

00:28:44Guest:And I'm all right.

00:28:46Guest:I dig me and I dig where I am in the world.

00:28:49Guest:You contributed to that.

00:28:51Marc:Right, right.

00:28:52Marc:And we're old guys now.

00:28:53Marc:I'm older than you, but I mean, you get to a certain point where it's sort of like, I'm my old man.

00:28:57Marc:That guy's that guy.

00:28:58Marc:Absolutely.

00:28:59Marc:He's flawed.

00:28:59Marc:I'm flawed.

00:29:00Marc:Yeah.

00:29:01Marc:I'm not going to do what he did, but the only way I can stop that from happening is if I accept that fuck.

00:29:07Guest:Yeah.

00:29:07Guest:Yeah, that's right.

00:29:08Guest:Yeah.

00:29:09Guest:But for me, what happened was, you know, I had a child and...

00:29:15Guest:And then I got angry because I'm sitting here and I'm doing this so fucking well, man.

00:29:22Guest:I'm trying so hard.

00:29:23Guest:To be dad?

00:29:24Guest:To be a good dad, like a really good dad.

00:29:27Guest:And I'm exhausted.

00:29:29Guest:I'm exhausted by it.

00:29:31Guest:That's normal.

00:29:31Guest:Yeah, it's normal.

00:29:32Guest:Of course it's normal.

00:29:33Guest:But then what started entering my mind is how difficult this is just to be a bad dad.

00:29:38Guest:Like, you know, like you got to...

00:29:40Guest:You've got to work real hard to be a shitty dad.

00:29:43Guest:Or you just don't give a shit.

00:29:45Guest:Yeah, you just don't give a shit.

00:29:46Marc:So it's not even hard.

00:29:47Marc:You're just missing a piece of your brain.

00:29:49Guest:Then I came around to thinking, well, you know what?

00:29:51Guest:My dad always gave a shit.

00:29:52Guest:He just didn't know how to convey his emotions.

00:29:57Marc:Right, yeah.

00:29:58Guest:Then I was able, I let it all go for real.

00:30:01Guest:It wasn't intellectually, it was viscerally.

00:30:03Marc:It's almost sad, but it's nice.

00:30:05Marc:To let it go.

00:30:05Guest:Yeah, wait a minute.

00:30:06Guest:Where's that fucking anger?

00:30:08Marc:Yeah, my entire personality was built on that.

00:30:10Guest:Thank God I'm already working.

00:30:13Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:30:13Marc:Thank God, dude.

00:30:14Marc:I don't need it.

00:30:15Guest:Thank God other people have pissed me off.

00:30:17Marc:I can tap into it when needed.

00:30:19Marc:I don't have to live in it.

00:30:21Marc:It's so true, man.

00:30:23Marc:It's wild.

00:30:23Marc:Yeah, it is wild.

00:30:24Marc:So you're in Georgia and you're being raised by a pack of interesting women.

00:30:31Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:30:32Marc:Your dad's out doing whatever the hell he's doing.

00:30:34Marc:Yeah.

00:30:35Marc:And I imagine you're somewhat the center of attention somehow.

00:30:38Yeah.

00:30:38Guest:Yeah, look, the reason why I'm looking down is I'm looking for that water that I brought up here.

00:30:44Guest:What happened to it?

00:30:45Guest:Did I put it right on the other side of this screen?

00:30:46Guest:The bigger question is, did you leave it downstairs?

00:30:49Guest:You know what?

00:30:49Guest:The answer to that question is no.

00:30:50Guest:I don't think I did.

00:30:51Guest:Hold on one second.

00:30:53Guest:Oh, look, Mark is going to look around.

00:30:54Guest:He's on the other side of the screen.

00:30:57Guest:I carried it.

00:30:58Guest:Okay.

00:30:59Guest:Look at this.

00:31:00Guest:This is rifling through a bag right now.

00:31:01Guest:This is what's happening.

00:31:02Guest:I'm rifling through this bag.

00:31:04Guest:Oh, my God.

00:31:05Guest:I found my son's socks.

00:31:07Guest:Oh, my God.

00:31:07Guest:There's a crazy wet bathing suit in the bottom of this.

00:31:10Guest:And...

00:31:13Guest:You hear him talking in the background.

00:31:15Guest:He's saying that I left my water somewhere, which is true.

00:31:18Guest:I did.

00:31:19Guest:I left it somewhere.

00:31:20Guest:Found it.

00:31:20Guest:Here we go.

00:31:21Guest:Found it.

00:31:21Guest:Got it.

00:31:22Guest:And we're reunited.

00:31:23Guest:We're back.

00:31:24Guest:H2O, reunited.

00:31:25Guest:There it is.

00:31:26Guest:How was your riff?

00:31:27Guest:You know, a few people have had to do that, but you never know what they're going to do.

00:31:31Guest:I think you can riff.

00:31:32Marc:I can riff.

00:31:34Guest:I can riff.

00:31:35Guest:I can't riff the way that you can riff, you know?

00:31:38Right.

00:31:38Guest:But I can riff.

00:31:40Guest:I don't know about you.

00:31:42Guest:I mean, you're good at improv-ing.

00:31:44Guest:You improvise.

00:31:45Guest:That's kind of what you do.

00:31:46Marc:That's what conversation is.

00:31:47Marc:But yeah, I do stand up and I do improvise in that.

00:31:51Marc:I'm not a sketch improviser.

00:31:54Marc:I'm not the one you, me and three other people on stage go.

00:31:58Marc:But just standing on stage by myself and my thoughts, yeah, I can do that.

00:32:02Guest:You can do that really well.

00:32:03Marc:I can solo riff.

00:32:04Guest:You can solo riff very well.

00:32:05Guest:So for me, I don't, like in a script or whatever, especially working with Danny McBride and those guys, I was so fucking insecure about working with them.

00:32:16Guest:I was so insecure, man.

00:32:17Guest:I was so deeply insecure because their pop cultural references are so spot on.

00:32:23Guest:I mean, even this one, this wonderful actress, Edie Patterson,

00:32:27Guest:who was also in Vice Principals.

00:32:28Marc:Oh, wait, Edie Patterson, the one who lives over here, the one who played the one who was obsessed with you in Vice Principals, or obsessed with Danny?

00:32:34Marc:Obsessed with Danny, yeah.

00:32:34Guest:She's fucking great.

00:32:35Guest:She's amazing.

00:32:37Guest:She was really good friends with your friend, Michaela Watkins.

00:32:40Marc:Right, right.

00:32:41Marc:She's inspired, and then you meet her, and you're like, oh, you like that a little bit.

00:32:46Marc:Not crazy, but she's got that brain, you know?

00:32:48Guest:She's got a brain that kind of does that.

00:32:49Guest:I don't have that brain.

00:32:50Guest:No.

00:32:50Guest:No, I have to.

00:32:51Guest:So I work out like, okay, well, what if Danny goes here?

00:32:55Guest:I just work out like five or six different tangents I could go on.

00:32:59Guest:And then as long as I have a direction and I have some parameter, and as long as it's rooted in truth and it's not an actor masturbating.

00:33:07Guest:So that was improvised a lot?

00:33:08Guest:No, we improvised a lot only to kind of come back to the script.

00:33:12Guest:But we improvised a lot.

00:33:14Guest:Well, so yeah, if it's in truth.

00:33:16Guest:If it's in truth.

00:33:16Guest:It has to be kind of rooted in truth and not like, I'm just being cute right now and I'm off script and I'm improvising and look at me.

00:33:23Guest:I fucking hate that.

00:33:24Marc:But that character definitely was different than some of your other ones, but they're all kind of different.

00:33:29Marc:But that guy was a real fucking oddball.

00:33:31Guest:Well, first and foremost, I love those guys, man, the roughhouse boys.

00:33:36Marc:Yeah, but that guy was sort of weird, kind of like the sexual nature of him was weird.

00:33:42Marc:His sense of fashion was weird.

00:33:45Marc:He was kind of writing all kinds of weird lines.

00:33:49Marc:Yeah.

00:33:49Marc:But he was also fundamentally a Southern character.

00:33:52Guest:Yeah.

00:33:53Guest:Yeah.

00:33:53Guest:I guess.

00:33:53Guest:Yes, he was.

00:33:54Guest:He spoke with a Southern accent.

00:33:55Guest:Right.

00:33:55Guest:Yeah.

00:33:56Guest:He was you couldn't tell what kind of his sexuality was.

00:34:00Guest:But there's a dandy element to this Southern.

00:34:02Guest:Southern dandies are like their own thing.

00:34:04Guest:They're their own.

00:34:05Guest:They're their own thing.

00:34:06Guest:Salmon.

00:34:06Guest:The color salmon is a very big deal.

00:34:08Guest:It's a very big color for Southern dandy.

00:34:10Guest:But did you have a guy in mind?

00:34:13Guest:Yeah, I did.

00:34:14Guest:And I told him this.

00:34:15Guest:There's a friend of mine named Eduardo who I just kind of channeled him kind of early on just to kind of find it.

00:34:22Guest:It's like, oh, well, maybe it's this.

00:34:24Guest:But our wardrobe designer, Sarah Trost, really helped me early days.

00:34:28Guest:Makes a big difference.

00:34:29Guest:Oh, my God.

00:34:30Guest:Here are the pants.

00:34:31Marc:Oh, I know who wears it.

00:34:32Guest:these pants that's exactly right and she just pulled it out and we put it on and it just kind of came right and um and but i but it's also in the writing man and as soon as sure yeah as soon as i i read it the very first time and i was doing the hateful eight uh at the time and i was in telluride and um

00:34:50Guest:And I got this offer, and Danny called, and I'd read the first eight scripts or whatever he sent them to me, and we were on the phone, and it was very nice of him to offer this role, but you also know that they want to hear it.

00:35:10Guest:They need to hear it.

00:35:11Guest:And so I just went into it, and I just kind of did the whole first episode.

00:35:16Guest:For him and what's the other guy's name?

00:35:18Guest:It was just him.

00:35:19Guest:Oh.

00:35:19Guest:Yeah, it was just him, and we were just kind of talking about it.

00:35:21Guest:Who's his producing partner?

00:35:22Guest:Well, David Gordon Green.

00:35:23Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:25Guest:And Jody Hill.

00:35:25Guest:Yeah, those guys.

00:35:26Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:27Guest:And it's kind of the three of them, really, that make up Rough House pictures.

00:35:30Guest:And he got it.

00:35:32Guest:And it's like, man, I want fucking whatever you're selling.

00:35:35Guest:And so then from there, it turned into this whole other thing.

00:35:39Guest:You know, but at the end of the day,

00:35:41Guest:And what I said to them, you know, when I said to him, you know, the very first day when we were working is, I said, look, buddy, you know, you know, and they write dramas.

00:35:51Guest:They would say they write dramas.

00:35:52Guest:They happen to be funny.

00:35:52Guest:I said, but, you know, these are two deeply flawed, deeply insecure people at all.

00:35:58Guest:This is coming from pain.

00:35:59Guest:Yeah.

00:36:00Guest:You know, and Danny said, yeah.

00:36:02Guest:He said, yes, that's, yeah, yeah, that's what we're doing.

00:36:06Guest:And then he just...

00:36:07Marc:let me do my fucking thing you know so so so then once you got the clothes and once you found the sadness and the pain and the insecurity and then you guys just kind of went at it let's go well yeah kind of at it you know uh yeah with my korean mother-in-law yeah just loving it yeah yes that's right and then it just kind of turned into this whole thing and the very first time i watched it

00:36:32Guest:we were all together and I watched season one.

00:36:35Guest:And man, it wasn't funny to me, man.

00:36:38Guest:Like what I meant by that is after we burned Belinda Brown's house down, I went into sweats.

00:36:46Guest:I started to panic again, like panicking, panicking again, that my fucking career was over.

00:36:51Guest:Like that was it.

00:36:52Guest:It was done.

00:36:53Guest:No one will ever forgive me.

00:36:55Guest:No one will ever forgive me for this.

00:36:56Guest:No, not a bad choice, but that...

00:36:59Guest:i crossed a line man like i crossed a line and i'm the one that's egging neil gamby on right and it's like oh man that's there's no yes of course yeah but you know that whole show crosses all kinds of lines yes that's right yeah and then and then i i kind of recovered and and uh and i and i was just so proud of it and and i just i love him man i let i love those guys so much and we just finished their righteous gemstones oh you did

00:37:23Guest:Yeah, I just did it with him.

00:37:25Guest:He just finished The Righteous Jensen, but I did it with him.

00:37:27Guest:No, it's a new TV show for HBO.

00:37:29Guest:Oh, really?

00:37:30Guest:About a family of TV evangelists.

00:37:32Guest:Oh.

00:37:32Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:34Guest:When's that on?

00:37:35Guest:John Goodman.

00:37:36Marc:Oh, I just saw the coming attractions for that.

00:37:38Marc:Is it on yet?

00:37:39Guest:No, it comes out in two weeks.

00:37:41Guest:Yeah, I think like the 16th of August.

00:37:42Marc:And that's a Danny show?

00:37:43Guest:Yep, Danny wrote it and directed the pilot, and then David and Jody came in.

00:37:47Guest:How many are there?

00:37:48Guest:Nine.

00:37:49Marc:Oh, that's exciting, man.

00:37:50Guest:Yeah, and Adam Devine.

00:37:52Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:53Guest:And just a great, great group of actors.

00:37:56Marc:Oh, wow.

00:37:57Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:37:58Guest:So he asked me to play this 67-year-old man.

00:38:02Guest:Did they put you in makeup?

00:38:05Guest:uh no mark i did it like me what the fuck yes they put me in makeup what are you kidding me look at do i look 67 no no but i don't know what the hell he's up to yeah maybe you know maybe yeah no maybe he just said you are 67 he left it at that he just left it it's god god made you look like you are yeah that's right yeah but uh no they a really good friend of mine kind of came in and uh and and and knocked this look out of the park and uh i'm excited now

00:38:29Guest:Yeah, and it's pretty cool.

00:38:32Guest:I had so much fun.

00:38:33Guest:I've never laughed harder.

00:38:34Guest:They make me laugh harder than anyone.

00:38:37Marc:He's so funny.

00:38:38Marc:He's so naturally himself.

00:38:40Marc:There's a couple of guys that are just so fucking funny, and he'll fucking... Who's another one?

00:38:47Marc:Give me...

00:38:48Marc:Will Ferrell.

00:38:49Marc:Will Ferrell.

00:38:50Marc:Yeah.

00:38:50Marc:I've never met Will.

00:38:51Marc:But the thing about Will is that he'll play straight.

00:38:55Marc:He's not going to turn it on.

00:38:56Marc:It's like a spigot with him.

00:38:58Marc:I talk to him and he's just straight as hell.

00:39:01Marc:And he's one of those guys where you're just sitting there waiting.

00:39:03Marc:Come on.

00:39:03Marc:What are you going to do it?

00:39:07Marc:and he can you know if the drop of a he can just do one thing and like he wasn't even trying and right when he animated some story he was telling i'm like oh that's it yeah you did it you did it because so do you think that like i don't know i feel that way about jim gaffigan that yeah i mean that's true that motherfucker makes me laugh

00:39:28Marc:Jim Gaffigan can certainly turn it on, and I thought he's done a couple of pretty good dramatic turns, but I think in this movie, what is it, Those Who Follow?

00:39:36Marc:Is that the name of it?

00:39:37Marc:Them That Follow.

00:39:38Marc:I thought he had a little more meat on the bone.

00:39:41Marc:He had a little more work to do, and he showed up pretty well.

00:39:43Marc:Yeah, he did.

00:39:44Guest:I thought he did a good job.

00:39:45Guest:I thought he did a fantastic job.

00:39:48Guest:It's not easy being Olivia Colman's husband.

00:39:50Guest:yeah that's not like not that her husband has a hard time no i'm just saying you're just going into that where you're going to play her husband i gotta imagine jim's like what the fuck yeah you mean the greatest actress in the world one of three yeah yeah that woman yeah let me sit with you and and let's talk about snakes let's be around snakes together yeah

00:40:10Marc:No, I thought he did real good, and I liked the movie.

00:40:13Marc:But before we get to that, let's get back to, so there you are, the star of a childhood surrounded by women.

00:40:21Marc:Dad's doing his thing.

00:40:23Marc:How does it evolve that you're gonna be an actor?

00:40:27Marc:I poked around and I looked at the stuff you've done.

00:40:31Marc:There's not a lot of biographical information, but it doesn't seem like you studied.

00:40:36Guest:I studied when I got to Los Angeles.

00:40:39Marc:For here.

00:40:39Marc:No college.

00:40:39Guest:No, not before.

00:40:40Guest:No, I left college my first year.

00:40:45Marc:Where would you go?

00:40:46Guest:Small, small college in Georgia, Georgia Southern.

00:40:49Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:40:50Guest:And I left because I got this.

00:40:53Guest:Look, only thing I ever wanted in my life was adventure.

00:40:56Guest:And I wanted to see the world.

00:40:57Guest:I just desperately wanted to see how other people lived and how other people thought.

00:41:03Marc:But as a kid in Georgia, you stayed out of jail.

00:41:06Marc:You weren't setting things on fire.

00:41:08Marc:You weren't kicking ass.

00:41:09Guest:No, I was always a pretty, you know what I mean?

00:41:12Marc:Fast cars, cigarettes, Southern Comfort.

00:41:15Guest:Where were we at?

00:41:16Guest:No, we smoked a lot of weed, did a lot of fucking ecstasy, you know?

00:41:19Marc:Yeah.

00:41:20Guest:And I could never really, I wasn't, I wasn't cool enough to sell it.

00:41:24Marc:You know, I tried to sell, you know, but you were the laid back bunch of freaks.

00:41:27Guest:I mean, I had a, my group of guys, uh, we were called the fellas and, uh, I was about five or six of us.

00:41:34Guest:Yeah.

00:41:34Guest:And, uh, and, and we ran with everybody.

00:41:38Guest:Right.

00:41:38Guest:We were friends with everybody.

00:41:40Guest:Right.

00:41:41Marc:You're the middleman.

00:41:42Marc:I was like that.

00:41:42Marc:Yeah.

00:41:43Marc:I was like a middleman.

00:41:43Guest:I know a few jocks.

00:41:44Guest:I know a couple of those weirdos.

00:41:45Marc:Yeah.

00:41:45Guest:These cats are all right.

00:41:46Guest:Yeah.

00:41:47Guest:And we were just fucking cool.

00:41:48Guest:And I was probably the earnest one in the group.

00:41:54Guest:How are the rest of the fellas holding up now?

00:41:58Guest:Pretty well.

00:42:00Guest:One of my best friends is the godfather of his two children.

00:42:04Guest:And we're still that tight.

00:42:07Guest:And we're all still really, really tight.

00:42:08Guest:That's good.

00:42:09Guest:Yeah.

00:42:09Guest:Another buddy of mine named Corey is is doing really, really well.

00:42:12Guest:Everybody's doing really well.

00:42:14Guest:A couple landed in jail.

00:42:15Guest:You know, one buddy just stopped by when I was home recently is is a big wig in the sheriff's department.

00:42:23Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:42:23Marc:Yeah.

00:42:24Marc:Got a cop and you got a couple of jailbirds.

00:42:26Guest:Yeah.

00:42:27Guest:But you know what?

00:42:27Guest:You know, all most of my buddies, most of them.

00:42:30Guest:they all joined the service.

00:42:32Guest:And I moved to California.

00:42:35Guest:I moved to Los Angeles.

00:42:37Marc:So there's definitely a ticket out mentality.

00:42:39Marc:Like how do I get the fuck out of here?

00:42:40Marc:Yeah, I think so.

00:42:40Guest:How do I get the fuck out of here?

00:42:42Guest:Like what is life on the other side of this wherever we are?

00:42:45Guest:And so I was in school and I got this invitation from American Express.

00:42:52Guest:Like, literally, I got the thing in the mail from American Express.

00:42:58Guest:What do you mean?

00:42:58Guest:Like, to get a credit card?

00:43:00Guest:This is what it was, to get a credit card.

00:43:02Guest:And if you sign up to get a credit card from American Express, at the time, the promotion was, we will give you a round-trip ticket, two round-trip tickets, anywhere east of the Mississippi for $99 each.

00:43:15Guest:Anywhere west of the Mississippi for $199 each.

00:43:19Guest:Yeah.

00:43:20Guest:This was back in a time where you still had to pay to call long distance.

00:43:24Marc:Right.

00:43:24Guest:This was back in a time where going flying from Georgia to California.

00:43:29Guest:Eight, nine hundred bucks.

00:43:31Guest:Yeah.

00:43:32Guest:Seven, eight, nine hundred dollars in 1989 money.

00:43:34Guest:Right.

00:43:35Guest:Right.

00:43:36Guest:That's a very different time.

00:43:37Guest:Sure.

00:43:38Guest:And so I just looked at it, and I knew that this was it.

00:43:42Guest:I'm going to finish this year.

00:43:44Guest:I'm out.

00:43:45Marc:I'm done.

00:43:46Marc:This was the sign?

00:43:47Marc:Yeah, this was the sign.

00:43:47Marc:This was the fucking sign.

00:43:48Marc:An Amex promotion.

00:43:49Marc:From Amex, yeah.

00:43:51Marc:An Amex promotion.

00:43:52Marc:How clear does that have to be, man?

00:43:53Marc:The clouds opened up.

00:43:55Marc:Postman gives you the same thing.

00:43:57Marc:He gives everyone on the street.

00:43:58Marc:Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:44:00Guest:And you take it to be the ticket out.

00:44:03Guest:Yeah, what can be one man's trash is another man's treasure.

00:44:05Guest:Right, that's right.

00:44:07Guest:You know what?

00:44:07Guest:Honestly, I'm really not that bright, mate.

00:44:10Guest:I mean, not that I could have used them all.

00:44:11Guest:This shows you how really not bright I really am because I just thought, well, wait a minute.

00:44:15Guest:What if I would have gone down there and I picked up all of those?

00:44:18Guest:Still, I could have maybe done them in different names.

00:44:21Guest:You have several different tickets.

00:44:23Guest:I'd still be using them right now.

00:44:27Guest:Oh, my God.

00:44:28Guest:No, it still only cost me $99 to fly a round trip from Atlanta to L.A.

00:44:33Guest:No, but I, you know, I left my college and went and moved to L.A.

00:44:37Guest:with $300 in my pocket.

00:44:39Marc:No one was disappointed?

00:44:39Marc:Your mom didn't say what the fuck you doing or anything like that?

00:44:42Guest:No, my dad had a moment of that, you know, and, you know, it didn't last that long.

00:44:46Guest:And I had already worked in Atlanta.

00:44:50Marc:Doing what?

00:44:51Guest:I was an actor.

00:44:52Marc:Oh, okay.

00:44:53Guest:Yeah, I started kind of working as an actor.

00:44:54Guest:When you were in high school?

00:44:55Guest:Yeah, like in high school.

00:44:56Marc:Doing what?

00:44:57Marc:What kind of thing?

00:44:58Guest:I did this really big movie of the week called Murder, Mississippi.

00:45:01Marc:Oh, so you go on casting calls?

00:45:02Guest:Going on casting calls, yeah, did that.

00:45:04Guest:In the Heat of the Night was a big rite of passage for people from the South East.

00:45:08Guest:This is before college?

00:45:09Guest:Before college, yeah.

00:45:10Guest:And it was great.

00:45:11Guest:So you knew you loved it?

00:45:13Guest:I loved it, yeah.

00:45:14Guest:I really, really loved it.

00:45:15Guest:I always kind of wanted to be a storyteller, but more importantly, I wanted to see the world.

00:45:19Guest:Yeah.

00:45:20Guest:And this was an opportunity.

00:45:21Guest:And I took it and left and came out here.

00:45:23Guest:Where'd you land right away?

00:45:27Marc:Where'd you end up?

00:45:27Guest:Well, it's weird, man, because I didn't know anyone.

00:45:31Marc:Yeah.

00:45:31Guest:Really?

00:45:32Guest:No, I knew no one.

00:45:33Guest:And I met this manager doing...

00:45:37Guest:An episode of In the Heat of the Night, this woman- You got cast out of Georgia?

00:45:41Guest:I got cast out of Georgia, yeah.

00:45:43Guest:But I met this woman, and Sean Penn's father was directing this episode, Leo Penn.

00:45:50Guest:And I met this woman.

00:45:51Guest:I was fucking horrible.

00:45:53Guest:I met this woman, I got her phone number, and then I told her when this opportunity arose from American Express-

00:46:00Guest:You really hang out of that thing.

00:46:02Guest:Amex.

00:46:03Guest:And I'm still a member, buddy.

00:46:05Guest:Yeah, me too.

00:46:05Marc:Still a member.

00:46:06Marc:There it is.

00:46:06Guest:Pretty good.

00:46:07Guest:Not as long as me, though.

00:46:08Guest:Probably not.

00:46:09Guest:Or maybe you have.

00:46:10Guest:Maybe 95.

00:46:11Guest:Maybe 95.

00:46:12Guest:Okay, no.

00:46:13Guest:Because it's 89.

00:46:14Marc:No, 91.

00:46:14Marc:90.

00:46:14Guest:90?

00:46:15Marc:Yeah.

00:46:16Marc:I can look at my card.

00:46:16Marc:89.

00:46:17Marc:Do they still put it on the card?

00:46:18Marc:Maybe they do.

00:46:19Marc:I don't know.

00:46:20Marc:Why are we proud of that?

00:46:20Guest:When I see it, I'm sort of like, yes, I have been a member for a long time.

00:46:22Guest:Because that means that you can pay a bill off every single month.

00:46:25Marc:That's right.

00:46:25Guest:That means you were responsible.

00:46:26Marc:Oh, that's good, yeah.

00:46:27Guest:For a long time.

00:46:28Marc:Didn't he used to say a member since, you know, on the card?

00:46:31Marc:I don't think it does anymore.

00:46:32Marc:Those are the green ones.

00:46:32Marc:No more.

00:46:33Marc:Yeah.

00:46:34Marc:No more.

00:46:34Marc:Yeah, because the shit's gold.

00:46:35Marc:It doesn't matter.

00:46:36Marc:Well, wait.

00:46:37Marc:Can I just take this one out?

00:46:38Marc:See, I've got two.

00:46:40Guest:Oh, snap.

00:46:42Guest:Two.

00:46:42Guest:You got the silver.

00:46:43Guest:I wish I could pull out the black one.

00:46:46Guest:This is my Soho house card.

00:46:47Guest:Do you have a black one?

00:46:47Guest:No, I don't.

00:46:49Guest:No, but maybe.

00:46:49Guest:One's for business.

00:46:50Guest:Don't matter.

00:46:51Guest:Yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:46:51Guest:Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:46:53Guest:So I landed in her house.

00:46:54Guest:She picked me up at the airport.

00:46:56Guest:Her husband picked me up at the airport.

00:46:57Marc:And you met her in Atlanta, though.

00:46:58Guest:She met her in Atlanta.

00:46:59Guest:She said, listen, you know, I'd like to, you know, if you come out, you can stay with me.

00:47:05Yeah.

00:47:05Guest:Oh, my God.

00:47:05Guest:Wow.

00:47:06Guest:Hey, thanks for that.

00:47:06Guest:I appreciate it.

00:47:08Guest:And so I said I'm coming, you know, and this was back when, you know, long distance phone calls.

00:47:14Guest:No fucking email.

00:47:15Guest:Right.

00:47:15Guest:And maybe I sent her a letter.

00:47:18Guest:Maybe I didn't even send her a letter.

00:47:19Guest:Yeah.

00:47:19Guest:I didn't think about that.

00:47:20Guest:That you were coming?

00:47:21Guest:Yeah, that I'm coming.

00:47:22Guest:And then she called or whatever.

00:47:25Guest:And her husband picked me up at the airport, brought me back to her house.

00:47:27Guest:She lived on poinsettia.

00:47:28Guest:Yeah, and what?

00:47:30Guest:Poinsettia in Hollywood, right there.

00:47:32Guest:Yeah.

00:47:32Guest:And then I came in and she said, you know, bags were down and she put a piece of paper in front of me.

00:47:39Guest:Signed you?

00:47:39Guest:And said, you know, let's, you know, I need to sign this paper.

00:47:43Guest:And I felt a little awkward.

00:47:44Marc:Before you even unpacked?

00:47:45Guest:A little fucking weird.

00:47:46Marc:Before you even got your bag?

00:47:47Guest:Not even unpacked at all, yeah.

00:47:49Marc:That was the first order of business?

00:47:51Marc:You're mine.

00:47:51Guest:Yeah, and I was like...

00:47:53Guest:First and foremost, I'm nobody.

00:47:56Guest:Like, I'm nobody's nobody.

00:47:58Guest:Yeah.

00:47:58Guest:Right?

00:47:59Marc:Yeah.

00:47:59Guest:I mean, I've done an episode in the heat of the night.

00:48:04Guest:So have a thousand other people.

00:48:06Marc:Right.

00:48:06Guest:You know, and then this movie of the week.

00:48:10Guest:But I am enthusiastic, you know, and I do have a passion for what we do.

00:48:13Guest:I still don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

00:48:15Guest:Right.

00:48:15Guest:But you signed it?

00:48:17Guest:No, I didn't sign it.

00:48:18Marc:No.

00:48:18Guest:I said, you know, I haven't even seen Hollywood Boulevard.

00:48:23Guest:She said, take a walk, two blocks, come back.

00:48:26Guest:That's exactly what happened.

00:48:28Guest:Her husband took me on a walk.

00:48:30Guest:And then, so we went on this walk, and I saw Hollywood Boulevard.

00:48:36Guest:And I came back, and she said, well, here you go, need you to sign this.

00:48:38Guest:And I said, well, you know, actually, I just need to make a phone call.

00:48:42Guest:And I called this friend who came to pick me up.

00:48:48Guest:I've never met him before, but my aunt gave me his name.

00:48:50Guest:Right.

00:48:51Guest:And so...

00:48:52Guest:So I said, okay, all right, yeah.

00:48:54Guest:And I called this manager who was a friend of mine back in Georgia.

00:48:58Guest:I said, this is happening to me right now.

00:48:59Guest:I feel really weird about it.

00:49:01Guest:I don't even know what any of this really means.

00:49:03Guest:And she said, don't sign anything.

00:49:07Guest:And so I came to her and I said, listen, I'm sorry.

00:49:11Guest:This is just a little weird to me.

00:49:13Guest:I can't really sign this.

00:49:16Guest:And she said, well, then you have to leave.

00:49:19Guest:Really?

00:49:20Marc:Yeah.

00:49:20Guest:Yeah.

00:49:21Guest:And I said, what do you mean, like right now?

00:49:24Guest:Like right now?

00:49:25Guest:Yeah.

00:49:26Guest:And she said, yeah.

00:49:28Guest:And I said, well.

00:49:29Marc:Boy, that's not Southern House fatality.

00:49:31Marc:Yeah.

00:49:31Guest:And I said, well, could I just kind of, could I wait like till in the morning?

00:49:36Guest:Could I just sleep, like spend the night on your couch?

00:49:39Guest:And I just said, yeah.

00:49:40Guest:Okay, yeah, but you gotta leave first thing.

00:49:43Marc:Wow.

00:49:44Guest:And so the next morning came, signed up, had my stuff, had my bag, and I had an audition that this manager friend of mine in- Different manager.

00:49:54Guest:No, yeah, different manager from Atlanta, from Georgia, from Georgia, big casting director, set up for me.

00:49:59Guest:And I flagged a fucking cab down with my bag and took my big ass bag in this room with this cast.

00:50:05Guest:Her name was Pam Dixon.

00:50:06Guest:She was a huge casting director.

00:50:08Guest:And I went in and had my thing.

00:50:10Guest:And then I had one beeper number from a guy that I did that episode in the heat of the night with.

00:50:16Guest:And I called him from the pay phone.

00:50:17Guest:And I said, man, this is what's happened.

00:50:19Guest:I'm here.

00:50:19Guest:I'm in L.A.

00:50:20Guest:He said he was moving to L.A.

00:50:22Guest:And I didn't know if he did or not.

00:50:24Guest:I had his beeper number.

00:50:25Guest:And then it was.

00:50:26Guest:And there it is.

00:50:27Guest:And he came and picked me up.

00:50:28Guest:And then he stayed with him?

00:50:29Guest:And I landed in the valley.

00:50:29Guest:Yeah, I landed in the valley.

00:50:31Guest:And then I moved 14 times in 11 years.

00:50:34Guest:But to everybody else, I was on the road.

00:50:35Guest:I lived all over the city.

00:50:36Marc:But with Pam Dixon, did you get the part?

00:50:39Marc:No, I didn't get the role.

00:50:40Guest:But then I got another role in a movie that she cast later on.

00:50:43Guest:I don't remember the name of the movie, but I met with Pam.

00:50:47Guest:I've known a lot of people out here now.

00:50:48Guest:I've been out here for 30 years.

00:50:50Guest:Yeah.

00:50:50Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:51Guest:But I did do a job for Pam.

00:50:53Guest:I think I did more than one job for Pam.

00:50:55Marc:But that's so wild.

00:50:56Marc:Now, I assume, have you run into that manager?

00:51:01Guest:Never.

00:51:01Guest:I don't remember her name, but here's the thing.

00:51:03Guest:Yeah.

00:51:04Guest:My house is right around the corner from there.

00:51:08Guest:And I have gone down that street.

00:51:11Guest:And I can't remember the apartment.

00:51:12Guest:Yeah.

00:51:13Guest:but I have an idea of what it was, and I know it's between two or three apartments, but I have definitely walked down the sidewalk.

00:51:20Marc:And you kind of look over there and say, this is where Columbus.

00:51:23Guest:I mean, fuck you, man.

00:51:25Guest:Fuck you.

00:51:26Guest:No, no, no.

00:51:28Guest:No, I just, you know, look, I love the little boy, man.

00:51:32Guest:I love the guy who sat out there and just said, you know what?

00:51:35Guest:Here it is.

00:51:35Guest:Just step out here and just, you'll figure it out.

00:51:37Marc:But you did it.

00:51:38Marc:You didn't, you know, that could have, that was like a crossroads, man.

00:51:41Guest:For a minute, man.

00:51:43Guest:For a minute.

00:51:43Marc:No, but I mean, it's like, it's one of those situations where the story could have been so much different where you like, you eventually had to pay her to get rid of her and like, you know, like those things that people sign and all of a sudden like to extricate yourself from it would have been a fucking nightmare.

00:51:57Guest:Yeah, that would have,

00:51:58Guest:that would have been a nightmare yeah that would have been a nightmare although it took me a long time to start making money mark like really yeah i know i know but you still you know anybody yeah that's right i didn't know anybody anything yeah yeah that's right uh but i do i walked i walked down that street you know sometimes and uh and i and i just i want to hug that little that little guy you know from taking the chance

00:52:18Guest:Taking the chance.

00:52:19Guest:Walking the mean streets of Los Angeles.

00:52:21Marc:And thanking Amex.

00:52:21Marc:You got to thank Amex at every time.

00:52:23Marc:Thank you, Amex.

00:52:23Marc:Yeah.

00:52:24Marc:I'd thank you a lot more if you wanted to do- A member since 1989, Walton Goggins.

00:52:27Marc:There you go.

00:52:28Marc:Yeah, this is your Amex ad.

00:52:29Guest:Thank you for my life, Amex.

00:52:32Guest:Thank you.

00:52:33Guest:Thank you for making me pay my bill at the end of every month.

00:52:36Marc:Thank you, Amex, for the sign.

00:52:40Marc:It's awesome.

00:52:42Marc:So what were the first gigs like?

00:52:44Marc:I mean, so you got here in 89.

00:52:46Guest:I started working right away, man.

00:52:47Guest:I started working immediately.

00:52:50Guest:Just little things here and there?

00:52:53Guest:My first gig was Billy Crystal, Mr. Saturday Night.

00:52:57Guest:And I didn't have a fit going in and reading for him.

00:53:01Guest:And I was so fucking, again, nervous.

00:53:03Guest:And he just said, oh, it's all right, man.

00:53:06Guest:You got the job, man.

00:53:07Guest:I like you.

00:53:07Guest:I don't know why.

00:53:08Guest:Well, what'd you do?

00:53:09Guest:I like you.

00:53:09Guest:I played the Nervous Soldier.

00:53:12Guest:That's what it was called, the Nervous Soldier.

00:53:14Guest:Yeah.

00:53:14Guest:And it was cut out of the movie, but he included it on the DVD.

00:53:17Guest:Oh, that's nice.

00:53:18Guest:Yeah, it was super nice.

00:53:19Guest:And then I ran into him.

00:53:21Guest:I ran into him at a play about six, seven years ago on Broadway.

00:53:26Guest:Yeah.

00:53:26Guest:And he looked over at me and he said, Nervous Guy.

00:53:31Guest:Hey, Nervous Guy.

00:53:33Guest:I gave you your start.

00:53:35Guest:Yeah.

00:53:35Guest:It's like, and I had a lovely conversation with Billy Crystal.

00:53:38Marc:Isn't it funny how he's actually become the character he played instead of Mr. Sutter Neck?

00:53:44Marc:The destiny.

00:53:45Guest:You do a much better interpretation of Billy than I do.

00:53:48Guest:But yeah, and then Forever Young, Guard at Gate, you know, with Mel.

00:53:54Guest:And, you know, you just went through all of that until I did this movie, The Next Karate Kid.

00:54:00Guest:That really kind of changed it.

00:54:03Guest:It was with Hilary Swank.

00:54:04Marc:Oh yeah?

00:54:05Marc:And you had a real part in that?

00:54:07Guest:No, but I auditioned for a real part in that and got called back four times for a real part in that and lost the real part in that and went back to my job selling cowboy boots at Thieves Market

00:54:22Guest:you were a cowboy well i mean i didn't i couldn't work in a i could never work in a in a restaurant man because i'm not good at people telling me what to do right it's just not my fucking thing like i'm not good at it it's like i'm just not i'm not you can be a cowboy when you sound cowboy you can be but i started my own valet parking company you did yeah as soon as i moved here first job i got was at la fitness uh making you know minimum minimum wage uh and they would give me from 5 a.m to 9 a.m like the worst shift

00:54:49Guest:That's what I had.

00:54:50Marc:Doing what?

00:54:50Marc:Just sitting there.

00:54:51Guest:Just opening the fucking club alone.

00:54:53Marc:Yeah.

00:54:53Guest:You know, alone in the dark, like in the valley.

00:54:56Guest:LA Fitness.

00:54:56Guest:The one right on Oxnard and Coldwater Canyon, you know, with the shitty parking.

00:55:01Guest:Uh-huh.

00:55:01Guest:And then I, you know, I was alone.

00:55:03Guest:I did that.

00:55:03Guest:And then I said, you know what, I can do, I asked him if I could become a part-time salesperson.

00:55:09Guest:And then in the first month and a half, I became one of the top part-time salespeople.

00:55:12Marc:At LA Fitness?

00:55:13Marc:Yeah.

00:55:14Marc:Yeah.

00:55:14Marc:You got that in you?

00:55:15Marc:The hustle.

00:55:16Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:18Guest:Hustling.

00:55:18Guest:And then I just said, well, I'm just going to start a valley parking company.

00:55:23Marc:Well, let's walk through it.

00:55:24Marc:So I'm thinking I want to get in shape.

00:55:28Marc:And I looked at some other gyms.

00:55:30Marc:Hey there, how are you?

00:55:30Marc:I'm Walton Goggins.

00:55:31Marc:Mark Maron.

00:55:32Guest:Mark, lovely to meet you.

00:55:34Guest:I just came here.

00:55:36Guest:I just moved here from Georgia.

00:55:37Guest:I really love your city.

00:55:38Marc:Oh, thank you.

00:55:39Marc:Thank you.

00:55:39Marc:Yeah, I've been here all my life.

00:55:40Marc:Yeah.

00:55:41Marc:How did you hear about the club?

00:55:42Marc:Well, I've got a buddy of mine who keeps telling me I should get into shape.

00:55:46Marc:I kind of work out at this other place, but I don't like the locker room.

00:55:52Guest:Yeah, it's interesting.

00:55:54Guest:This club is a, I don't know about you, man, but I look, for me, working out is a part of kind of who I am.

00:56:03Guest:I was the person I was before I started working out and the person that I am now after starting to work out.

00:56:07Marc:Yeah, I still got to just commit to it, I think.

00:56:10Marc:Yeah, that's it.

00:56:11Guest:That really is it.

00:56:13Guest:Can I give you a tour of the facility?

00:56:14Marc:Yeah, yeah, man.

00:56:15Marc:Dude, I didn't bring my shorts or anything.

00:56:17Marc:Then not a problem.

00:56:19Guest:We have some here, actually.

00:56:21Guest:Yeah, a brand new LA Fitness logo.

00:56:26Guest:There's always what ABC always be closing.

00:56:29Guest:yeah you know but i wasn't i wasn't really i mean i was good at it but i was good at it because i you know i actually i i i liked it yeah i liked it but here and here's the kicker right so so i worked for this company and then i left and i started a valley parking company like at people's houses like you know no no no no no man i won't and went down ventura boulevard and stopped at the great greek knocked at the door here you go sound effect

00:56:52Guest:come in come in and I walked in I said hi there my name is Walton Goggins I just got here from Atlanta Georgia I used to valet park in Atlanta Georgia and I see that you have valet parking I'd like to bid for your business they were like who the fuck is this get out of my fucking face what are you and I and then I went down and I and I went down to the next one the Moonlight Tango Cafe I went to Cha Cha Cha Cafe Athens down in Santa Monica we had a couple parking lots and eventually people just started to say yeah okay sure why not yeah

00:57:22Guest:And we hired a bunch of guys and did it with a few friends.

00:57:27Guest:Brought a few friends that were also actors out here.

00:57:30Guest:And a little group of us that met up and became friends.

00:57:34Guest:And we all kind of went into this endeavor together.

00:57:37Guest:The parking endeavor, or the acting endeavor.

00:57:39Guest:The parking endeavor, yeah.

00:57:40Guest:And then we did it.

00:57:42Guest:We didn't make a lot of money, but we had our freedom.

00:57:44Guest:Sure.

00:57:45Guest:And enough to get by, and we got our tips, and we did it for a couple years.

00:57:49Guest:And then it just kind of didn't really sell it to anyone else, but gave it over to someone else.

00:57:55Guest:And then I started working at Thieves Market.

00:57:58Guest:And next Karate Kid, big deal.

00:58:01Guest:21 years old.

00:58:02Guest:But I go back four, I get called back four times.

00:58:04Guest:And there, there's another guy there, his name's Michael.

00:58:07Guest:I'll just call him C. He's still a really great guy.

00:58:09Guest:I saw him, it's been about 15 years.

00:58:11Guest:Yeah, an actor.

00:58:12Guest:But he's not doing it anymore.

00:58:13Guest:But so it's down to me and him where I fucking each other across the room.

00:58:18Guest:You know, this is it.

00:58:18Guest:I'm like, this is my bag.

00:58:20Guest:I'm the guy.

00:58:21Guest:Yeah.

00:58:21Guest:But so I go in and I kill it.

00:58:23Guest:I slay it.

00:58:24Guest:Yeah.

00:58:24Guest:I walk outside and say, well, you need to fucking go home right now because it's not going to be yours.

00:58:30Guest:and uh but he still you know does his thing he walks in and i'm sitting there i'm pacing outside it's because it's just down to the two of us and i hear screaming and i know that he didn't get murdered i know i knew that that's uh they loved when you they loved him and he got the job right and so uh the worst thing to hear from the fucking casting room is laughter that's right yeah yeah fuck off he's he's not that funny no it's not that funny i heard it out here it's not that good

00:58:59Guest:These doors are paper thin and he sucks, man.

00:59:02Guest:Let me tell you.

00:59:04Guest:And I just kind of like held it in and started walking off that lot and just held my head down and went back to my job at Thieves Market and got back there and was helping somebody with some cowboy boots and I just said, fuck this, man.

00:59:18Guest:And I called because I knew they liked me.

00:59:21Guest:I knew that they liked me a lot and called back.

00:59:24Guest:And I said, can I have Jerry Weintraub's office?

00:59:26Guest:And the operator gave it to me.

00:59:28Guest:And this woman named Susan worked for Jerry.

00:59:30Guest:She's a lovely, lovely lady who came outside and gave me a hug and said, are you OK?

00:59:34Guest:Are you all right?

00:59:35Guest:I said, no, I'm fine.

00:59:35Guest:The better man got the job.

00:59:36Guest:It's okay.

00:59:37Guest:I'm just going to go back to my job selling fucking cowboy boots.

00:59:40Guest:But that's cool.

00:59:41Guest:You guys have fun.

00:59:42Guest:You guys go have fun making the next Karate Kid.

00:59:45Guest:That's awesome.

00:59:46Guest:And I went back and did it, man.

00:59:51Guest:And I called them.

00:59:54Guest:Jerry picked up.

00:59:54Guest:I called Susan.

00:59:55Guest:She said, yeah, sure, Walton.

00:59:57Guest:Chris Kane, the director, picked up the phone.

00:59:59Guest:And Jerry Weintraub picked up the phone.

01:00:01Guest:And Chris picked up the phone and he said, hey, Walton, hey, man, I'm so sorry.

01:00:07Guest:Sometimes, you know, you were wonderful, man.

01:00:10Guest:Sometimes it's just a look.

01:00:12Guest:And you have to put these things together.

01:00:14Guest:And I said, I understand that, man.

01:00:15Guest:I understand that.

01:00:16Guest:The only thing I'm asking for, Chris, is an opportunity to, can I read for, like, his best friend, for the bad guy's best friend?

01:00:23Guest:Could I read for that role?

01:00:26Guest:And he said, you would do that?

01:00:28Guest:And I said, are you kidding me?

01:00:30Guest:Yes, I'll do it.

01:00:31Guest:Please.

01:00:31Guest:And he said, hold on a second.

01:00:32Guest:Jerry.

01:00:34Guest:And he comes back on the phone.

01:00:35Guest:He said, Walton, the role is yours.

01:00:36Guest:You got it.

01:00:37Guest:Because I said, I just want to learn.

01:00:39Guest:You know, I just want to be around it.

01:00:40Guest:I need to learn.

01:00:41Guest:And and so then, yeah, then cut to turn around and everybody working at these.

01:00:46Guest:Fuck all.

01:00:48Guest:I'm out.

01:00:49Guest:Here's your fucking Justin Boots back.

01:00:51Guest:I'm out.

01:00:51Guest:Even though I love cowboy boots.

01:00:54Guest:And then never, didn't go to work again, except to LA Fitness.

01:00:59Guest:I went back one more time, but check it out.

01:01:01Guest:This time I went with two other guys and we said, okay, LA Fitness, we're gonna pay you to be members of your club.

01:01:09Guest:You're gonna pay me.

01:01:09Guest:What?

01:01:11Guest:We're gonna pay you $500 to be members of your club so that we can train our clients here.

01:01:16Guest:We were the first three personal trainers in their company.

01:01:19Guest:at least as I understand it.

01:01:21Marc:You were a personal trainer?

01:01:22Guest:Yeah, I was a personal trainer for a couple years.

01:01:24Marc:So you got the role in Karate Kid, but you went back?

01:01:26Guest:Yeah, I was 21.

01:01:26Guest:I went back to work.

01:01:27Guest:And for me, I'm a poor kid.

01:01:29Guest:I used a lot of the money that I made from what we do for a living, telling stories.

01:01:33Guest:I put all that away.

01:01:35Guest:And then I just lived off what I made as a personal trainer until I was 24 and I did The Apostle.

01:01:39Marc:So The Apostle, so you're working with Duval?

01:01:41Marc:Working with Duval.

01:01:42Marc:yeah yeah the the you know that must have been the fucking oh buddy like there's no you know you you know you have he's my yeah yeah yeah i figure yeah you guys kind of come from something similar yeah that's the same well yeah yeah yeah i i suppose yeah yeah yeah i'm trying to remember you know i don't remember them i don't have the movie at the tip of my brain what were you

01:02:04Guest:What, in The Apostle?

01:02:06Marc:In The Apostle, yeah.

01:02:07Guest:I played his right-hand man.

01:02:08Marc:Oh, that's right, yeah.

01:02:09Guest:Yeah, it's kind of Sammy.

01:02:11Guest:And he took to you?

01:02:13Guest:Yeah, he did take to me.

01:02:15Marc:Yeah, he did.

01:02:15Guest:You guys still friends?

01:02:17Guest:We are still friends, yeah.

01:02:19Guest:I don't talk to him as much as I used to.

01:02:22Guest:What'd you learn from him?

01:02:23Guest:Oh, pretty much fucking everything.

01:02:25Guest:Really?

01:02:26Guest:I mean, look, when you said, as soon as I got to Los Angeles,

01:02:29Guest:I started studying.

01:02:30Guest:I studied with two people.

01:02:31Guest:Who?

01:02:32Guest:I studied with David LeGrant and Harry Master George.

01:02:35Guest:And I fashioned my life in a way where I was able to make money in my job.

01:02:44Guest:Or when I'd go to work, I'd put all this money away.

01:02:46Guest:And I studied.

01:02:47Guest:I went to class every day for a decade.

01:02:49Guest:Everybody else was, you know, all fucking around.

01:02:53Guest:I didn't.

01:02:54Guest:I took it very, very militantly.

01:02:56Guest:I was a militant about that discipline and really kind of understanding what it was that we were asking ourselves to do, and I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.

01:03:02Guest:And my coach, David, was very, very, very important to me, and there were a number of people kind of in class, but then I found Harry, Master George, and...

01:03:15Guest:And it really, really, really changed my life.

01:03:21Marc:What's the core of the discipline?

01:03:23Guest:Well, you know, he only quotes three people, really, and that's Anthony Hopkins and Robert Duvall and Jessica Tandy.

01:03:30Guest:He might disagree if he was sitting here, but he's not remembering it correctly.

01:03:33Guest:Right.

01:03:33Guest:You know, and maybe throw a few other people in, but that it's a that it's a child's game and it's no more simple.

01:03:40Guest:It's no more complicated than that.

01:03:42Guest:And you turn yourself over to an imaginary set of circumstances.

01:03:45Guest:That's it.

01:03:46Guest:That's all that we do for a living.

01:03:47Guest:And and and he would, quote, Duvall.

01:03:51Guest:who said that over and over again.

01:03:53Guest:The actor's studio taught him nothing, that it was playing pretend and turning yourself over to an imaginary set of circumstances.

01:04:03Guest:And Tony Hopkins, he would say the same thing.

01:04:06Guest:So then I got the chance to work with Bobby.

01:04:07Guest:And one of the first things I asked him, and I was, man, I was so, you know, I was so overwhelmed by meeting, by the whole experience.

01:04:16Guest:He was very kind to me.

01:04:17Guest:And he said, you know, that very thing, that you turn yourself over to an imaginary set of circumstances.

01:04:24Guest:And then he took to me because at the end of that movie, none of that was really there.

01:04:31Guest:I don't think he anticipated Sammy, his right-hand man, having that reaction to his arrest.

01:04:38Guest:And he took me under his wing kind of after that.

01:04:42Guest:What was the reaction?

01:04:44Guest:That this profound remorse or regret at...

01:04:51Guest:at the loss of this man who had been such a seminal figure in this character Sammy's life.

01:05:01Guest:And I've had the chance to work with, anyway, so with these two teachers and it really changed my life.

01:05:06Marc:Yeah, the chance to work with them more than once?

01:05:08Guest:With Bobby and with Tony Hopkins.

01:05:11Guest:Which movie was that?

01:05:13Guest:The world's fastest Indian.

01:05:15Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:17Guest:And got to ask him the same questions.

01:05:20Guest:What were his answers?

01:05:21Guest:And he was very, very, yeah, very kind and very generous with his daughter.

01:05:24Guest:Did he... Said the same thing.

01:05:26Guest:He did.

01:05:26Guest:Yeah, that's what he does.

01:05:27Guest:He reads the script.

01:05:29Guest:You turn yourself over to a... To an imaginary set of circumstances.

01:05:31Guest:It's a child's game.

01:05:32Guest:You turn yourself over to an imaginary set of circumstances and you read the script 300 times.

01:05:37Guest:That's it.

01:05:38Guest:Yeah, between 250 and 300 times.

01:05:40Guest:It's no more complicated than that.

01:05:41Guest:Everything that you need is in the story, for the most part.

01:05:44Marc:Yeah.

01:05:45Marc:Was there a point where you had a break?

01:05:49Marc:I mean, I know you won an Oscar for something, didn't you?

01:05:52Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, for this short film that...

01:05:57Guest:the three of us, my partner Ray McKinnon and Lisa Blunt and myself.

01:06:02Guest:Ray McKinnon is an actor.

01:06:03Guest:Ray McKinnon is an actor and a writer, an unbelievable writer and a really good director too.

01:06:09Guest:And yeah, it was a short film and we raised the money, family and friends, and we went out and did it and lo and behold, there we were.

01:06:17Guest:We got on stage right behind Sidney Poitier and there it was.

01:06:21Guest:It was an extraordinary experience.

01:06:23Guest:Yeah, I had a decade, really, of kind of making those movies with him.

01:06:27Guest:We made four.

01:06:29Marc:Did the Oscar in that attention, because it's a short film, but it didn't matter?

01:06:32Marc:You're already working, right?

01:06:33Guest:I don't think any of it matters, man.

01:06:35Guest:I think it's in the aggregate that all of this shit amounts to something.

01:06:39Guest:The Apostle meant something, and then it meant nothing.

01:06:41Guest:And The Shield meant, you know...

01:06:44Guest:Yeah, you're working, and then you're working.

01:06:46Guest:Yeah, but it was also, you know, we were at the beginning.

01:06:49Guest:It was The Sopranos and it was us.

01:06:51Guest:That was the new batch of where Story was going to go.

01:06:57Guest:And that really kind of helped me.

01:07:01Guest:But I've been around, man.

01:07:03Guest:And just keep... And you keep working.

01:07:07Guest:One foot in front of the other.

01:07:08Marc:And you did Machete Kills.

01:07:10Marc:How about that, yeah.

01:07:12Marc:I had Danny Trejo on my show on IFC.

01:07:14Marc:How about that, man?

01:07:15Marc:But here's, you want to hear a funny Danny Trejo story?

01:07:17Marc:Sure.

01:07:17Marc:So, you know, Trejo, like, you know, the setup was, you know, I'm in recovery, which, you know, in real life but also in the show.

01:07:26Guest:Uh-huh.

01:07:26Marc:And he's a newcomer, and I'm going to be his sponsor.

01:07:31Marc:And Trejo's a big recovery guy, right?

01:07:33Marc:He knows the score.

01:07:34Marc:But he's got to play this guy who can't keep his shit together.

01:07:38Marc:He's fresh out of jail or something, and I'm his sponsor, me.

01:07:41Marc:So I got Trejo, and he's like, I can't play this guy.

01:07:44Marc:I'm not this guy.

01:07:46Marc:Already he's like, I'm strong.

01:07:49Marc:Whatever.

01:07:50Marc:But he's got a lot of lines.

01:07:53Marc:He's got lines.

01:07:54Marc:And right away, he can't remember them.

01:07:57Marc:And he's having allergies.

01:07:59Marc:Now we're putting up cue cards.

01:08:01Marc:We're taping them to the dash.

01:08:03Marc:There's cue cards all over the inside of the car so he can get them.

01:08:06Marc:But he says, there's so many lines, man.

01:08:09Marc:This is more lines than I've had to do in all the movies I've done in five years, man.

01:08:14Marc:And he looks at me and goes, they hire me for my face.

01:08:19Guest:Oh, my God.

01:08:21Guest:Oh, my God.

01:08:23Guest:Wow.

01:08:24Guest:Yeah, well, what a great face.

01:08:25Guest:Yeah, no doubt.

01:08:26Marc:It's a great face, yeah.

01:08:28Marc:Oh, we were shooting in Island Park, and he's walking down the street, and just kids and families come to windows going, Machete!

01:08:35Guest:Machete!

01:08:36Guest:I did a movie.

01:08:38Guest:Well, Robert Rodriguez.

01:08:40Guest:I love Robert.

01:08:41Marc:I've talked to him.

01:08:41Marc:He's great.

01:08:42Guest:He's a cool guy.

01:08:43Guest:But I did this movie that Robert produced, Predators, with Danny Trejo.

01:08:50Guest:And we were in Hawaii for a couple of months and then in Austin for a long stint.

01:08:57Marc:Yeah.

01:08:57Guest:Yeah.

01:08:57Guest:We had some good times.

01:08:59Marc:Great guy.

01:09:00Marc:Solid guy.

01:09:00Marc:So what about Tarantino, man?

01:09:01Marc:So the Hateful Eight, that was a fucking stunning weirdo that you played in that one.

01:09:06Guest:thank you mark thanks for this yeah stunning word i appreciate you saying that look man i i just think he's anything i is a very big compliment thank you very much i uh i look i fucking love the man yeah i love him i i i'm so i i can't believe that that i'm i'm in his stable you know and uh that's right you know django yeah yeah and that was in the new one

01:09:30Guest:I'm not in the new one, no.

01:09:32Guest:But I read it.

01:09:33Guest:I read it early on in his backyard.

01:09:35Guest:I haven't seen it yet.

01:09:37Guest:It was one of the best scripts I've ever read in my life.

01:09:40Guest:I got to see it.

01:09:40Guest:Have you seen it?

01:09:41Guest:I did, man.

01:09:41Guest:I went to the premiere.

01:09:42Marc:No, wasn't it?

01:09:42Guest:And it's fucking awesome.

01:09:44Guest:You loved it.

01:09:44Guest:It's so fucking great, man.

01:09:46Marc:I'm going to Raleigh tomorrow.

01:09:47Marc:I'm doing shows at the club there, so I'll have time during the day.

01:09:50Marc:I'm hoping it's playing down there.

01:09:51Guest:Oh, yeah, you get out.

01:09:52Marc:It's got to be playing down there.

01:09:53Guest:Yeah, it has to be, yeah.

01:09:54Guest:Of course it is, yeah.

01:09:54Marc:yeah it's uh look it's him man i mean the the guy is uh you know he's in the pantheon he will forever be talked about oh no yeah he did something like it's weird with his movies it's like even if you don't know how you feel about the movie there's going to be about at least a half hour you're like what the fuck yeah like you know what i mean like they're it's just so stylized and so much attention paid to so much stuff where you know something's gonna yeah you know you're gonna be amazed somehow

01:10:20Guest:You know, I mean, this is like this kind of strange kind of meeting, this intersection between these two people.

01:10:28Guest:After the apostle, I went to this, I got invited to this tango party.

01:10:34Guest:A tango party?

01:10:35Guest:Tango, yeah.

01:10:36Guest:I got invited to this tango party in Venice.

01:10:39Guest:And this is whatever, 90s, whatever.

01:10:41Guest:Let's call it five.

01:10:42Guest:Right.

01:10:42Guest:96.

01:10:43Guest:Okay.

01:10:44Guest:And lo and behold, I go, there's only Bobby and Luciana, his girlfriend.

01:10:50Marc:Oh, he's into Tango.

01:10:51Marc:That's right.

01:10:51Guest:Yeah, he's really into Tango.

01:10:52Guest:And this other couple that are hosting it.

01:10:54Guest:And fucking Tarantino and Quentin.

01:10:58Guest:This is just after Pulp Fiction.

01:10:59Guest:There's like six people there?

01:11:00Guest:Yeah, it's like six people and me.

01:11:01Guest:And my wife.

01:11:05Guest:I've been married before.

01:11:07Guest:And we're at this house and it's like,

01:11:08Guest:God damn, this is really fucking happening.

01:11:11Guest:And I had a lovely conversation.

01:11:12Guest:He was lovely then.

01:11:13Guest:And now cut to 20 years later or whatever.

01:11:18Guest:I'm two in.

01:11:19Guest:I just dig him, dude.

01:11:20Guest:And I dig his whole thing.

01:11:21Guest:It's the way the business works.

01:11:22Guest:It's kind of interesting, right?

01:11:22Guest:Yeah, it's really cool.

01:11:23Guest:You've been hanging around a long time.

01:11:25Guest:Where are we gonna hang out?

01:11:27Guest:On camera?

01:11:27Guest:Yes, we'll hang out.

01:11:29Marc:Bring me in.

01:11:30Marc:Pull me in.

01:11:30Marc:We'll hang out.

01:11:32Marc:Next time you're like, you should get married to do this.

01:11:33Marc:Are you doing another season of GLOW?

01:11:35Marc:I don't know.

01:11:36Marc:The third one drops August 9th.

01:11:39Marc:Yeah.

01:11:39Marc:Isn't that when Netflix usually cuts out?

01:11:42Marc:Yeah, no, I'm completely anticipating that.

01:11:44Marc:We'll probably find out by the end of August.

01:11:46Marc:And then, yeah, I'm freed up.

01:11:47Marc:So, you know, whatever you need.

01:11:48Marc:Just let me know.

01:11:49Marc:Just pull me in.

01:11:50Marc:Lovely.

01:11:50Marc:Give me a call.

01:11:51Marc:Wonderful.

01:11:52Marc:You're all set.

01:11:53Marc:We got a part for it.

01:11:54Guest:What do you use these dice for?

01:11:55Guest:Are these things that you've accumulated over the years?

01:11:59Guest:Are they there for guests to kind of play with?

01:12:01Marc:Yeah, I just put them out, and people have different reactions to different things.

01:12:04Marc:Some people go for the hammer.

01:12:05Marc:Some people go for the dice.

01:12:07Marc:There's a top over there.

01:12:08Marc:Is the top over there still?

01:12:09Marc:The little spinning top.

01:12:11Marc:Yeah, there's a spinning top.

01:12:12Marc:The knife is popular.

01:12:13Marc:The knife gets a lot of play.

01:12:14Marc:Does this light?

01:12:15Marc:Not anymore.

01:12:15Marc:No, not anymore.

01:12:16Marc:But the knife usually gets a lot.

01:12:18Marc:Dorf took to the knife right away.

01:12:20Marc:Dorf did.

01:12:21Marc:Yeah.

01:12:21Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:24Guest:And the guy who plays back, and I didn't take to anything.

01:12:28Guest:No, no.

01:12:28Guest:I didn't take to anything.

01:12:29Guest:Well, you had to relax.

01:12:32Guest:You just took to the dice in a weird way.

01:12:34Guest:You know what's really interesting about this?

01:12:35Guest:I don't know how you kind of deal with this, but I do.

01:12:39Guest:I have low-grade anxiety.

01:12:42Guest:I have high-grade anxiety.

01:12:43Guest:You do?

01:12:44Guest:Yeah.

01:12:44Guest:But you were not, you enjoy talking to people.

01:12:47Marc:You must enjoy talking to people.

01:12:49Marc:Yeah, like this?

01:12:50Marc:Well, yeah, when you get to it, and you really get to it.

01:12:52Marc:Yeah.

01:12:52Marc:Yeah, I mean, if it's just in passing, I'm not great anymore.

01:12:55Marc:We got to it immediately.

01:12:56Marc:We got in there.

01:12:56Marc:Yeah, that's what we do here.

01:12:57Guest:Yeah, that's what we do here.

01:12:59Guest:But some people, it takes a little more work than others to kind of pull it out of them.

01:13:02Guest:Well, you just wait.

01:13:03Guest:This is, I'm having so much fun.

01:13:06Guest:I had this low-grade anxiety, and as soon as I met you, it's all gone.

01:13:11Guest:But I feel that way about not performing, this isn't a performance, but just in general with the things that, like a new experience, right?

01:13:21Marc:Yeah, right.

01:13:23Guest:Like, it's just the anticipation.

01:13:24Marc:Oh, it's the worst.

01:13:25Guest:It's not even really anxiety, it's the anticipation.

01:13:27Marc:Yeah, I get dread.

01:13:28Marc:Do you really?

01:13:28Marc:Yeah, because before you come over, I don't usually do two in a day, but I interview this writer.

01:13:33Marc:What, this morning?

01:13:34Marc:Yeah.

01:13:34Marc:Are you exhausted?

01:13:35Marc:No, no, no, no.

01:13:36Marc:But it's like, you know, this guy, David Shields, he writes fairly difficult books, but they're art, and they're good, and he just made a little documentary.

01:13:42Marc:But I was nervous about him, because he's an academic, and he's a fiction writer, and he's a high-brained dude.

01:13:47Marc:Yeah.

01:13:47Marc:So I'm sort of like, I'm like, oh, fucking, I don't got the goods.

01:13:50Marc:I don't got the goods for this.

01:13:51Marc:Wow.

01:13:52Marc:And then we got in and I'm like, I'm holding up, man.

01:13:54Marc:I'm on.

01:13:56Marc:And then you're coming over and I'm like, and I felt relaxed because I just knew because of my relationship with your characters and then the SAG Awards, you said nice things about me.

01:14:06Marc:And right when you walked through the gate, you're like, we knew each other already.

01:14:10Marc:So that happens sometimes.

01:14:11Marc:Yeah.

01:14:11Marc:Some people do that.

01:14:12Marc:Brolin was like that.

01:14:13Marc:But I think Brolin's like he's got some sort of weird disarming charm.

01:14:16Marc:Like he gets out of the car and like he looks at me like we've known each other 20 years.

01:14:20Marc:I'm like, oh, this is going to be easy.

01:14:21Marc:Good.

01:14:22Marc:Good for him.

01:14:23Marc:He really knows how to work us interviewers.

01:14:25Marc:Like I'm right away.

01:14:26Marc:I'm like, oh, sure, pal.

01:14:27Marc:Come on.

01:14:27Guest:Yeah.

01:14:28Marc:Okay, so let me just say this about the movie, and I'm glad that the anxiety dissipated.

01:14:33Marc:Yeah.

01:14:34Marc:I found that the movie, was it Them That Follow?

01:14:36Marc:Yeah, Them That Follow.

01:14:37Marc:But it's interesting, because the pace of it, you know what I noticed about it after I watched it, is it's sort of set up for one of these rural, kind of like these are rural people, and it seems a little creepy.

01:14:47Guest:Yeah.

01:14:47Marc:And you're sort of like, there's no way this isn't gonna get fucked up and weird in like a stereotypical way.

01:14:53Marc:But what I thought was amazing about the approach that the directors took to Pentecostals was it was all human.

01:14:59Marc:Like these were just people.

01:15:01Marc:It wasn't like there's no weird murder.

01:15:03Marc:It was like this is the situation with this group of people and these are humans and this human predicament

01:15:12Marc:that is of their own making, but it was sort of an examination of a subculture as opposed to like, oh, those hill people are weird.

01:15:21Marc:And I thought that was kind of amazing that at the end you're expecting some stuff, where's the fucking big thing that we're gonna judge these folks on?

01:15:28Marc:And after all is said and done, it's just your humanity that you're dealing with.

01:15:33Marc:It was very straightforward, like, oh, this isn't a freak show.

01:15:37Marc:This is a strange phenomenon that's been around forever.

01:15:42Marc:Yeah.

01:15:43Marc:And the obstacles they're up against because of their beliefs and practices.

01:15:48Marc:Yeah.

01:15:48Marc:And also their disconnect because of their beliefs and practices.

01:15:51Marc:I really thought it was an empathetic exercise.

01:15:56Guest:You know what?

01:15:56Guest:I'm happy to hear you say that.

01:15:57Guest:I mean, I think that was kind of the goal of everybody, everyone involved.

01:16:01Guest:And there's a speech that this character that I play, Lemuel, first and foremost, the cast is extraordinary.

01:16:08Guest:Olivia Colman.

01:16:09Marc:You play the pastor.

01:16:10Marc:I play the pastor.

01:16:11Marc:The shepherd of this small flock of Pentecostal Christians.

01:16:15Marc:That's right.

01:16:16Marc:In some hills somewhere.

01:16:17Guest:That's right.

01:16:18Guest:But when I was reading it for the first time, the speech that kind of got to me is, and then they let me kind of rift and do my own thing.

01:16:26Guest:And we just kind of talked about it early on.

01:16:30Guest:But once his church has been invaded.

01:16:32Guest:Yeah.

01:16:33Guest:And he says, they came in here and they took the very thing that we used to show our allegiance to God.

01:16:42Guest:They don't understand you.

01:16:44Guest:They look down on you and you and you and you.

01:16:48Guest:And, you know, that is, look, insert that speech for any misunderstood community throughout the history of time, man.

01:16:56Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:16:57Guest:Don't know.

01:16:58Guest:I just think that you endeavor you if you live a life that is curious and you endeavor to understand Culture in general subcultures in your own culture your own society or different societies that you know on the other side of that Even if you completely Disagree with it at least your disagreements are coming from an informed point of view

01:17:20Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:17:21Marc:And I thought, like, you know, whatever.

01:17:22Marc:They had their deep flaws in their actions, but, you know, you got it.

01:17:28Marc:Like, it was fair.

01:17:30Marc:Yeah.

01:17:30Marc:So, your mom.

01:17:32Guest:Oh, so.

01:17:33Guest:Not doing well.

01:17:34Guest:You know what?

01:17:35Guest:No, now she's doing great.

01:17:36Guest:Great.

01:17:36Guest:I moved her to L.A.,

01:17:38Guest:Never wanted to come to Hollywood.

01:17:40Guest:And now she's here a mile away and she's killing it.

01:17:44Guest:But coming back to houses, right?

01:17:47Guest:Because we started with houses.

01:17:48Guest:And she hangs out with your kid and stuff?

01:17:50Guest:All the time.

01:17:51Guest:Her grandson.

01:17:52Guest:It's great.

01:17:52Guest:Beautiful place where she moved into over here in Hollywood.

01:17:56Guest:And you're able to take care of her a bit?

01:17:58Guest:It's all good.

01:17:58Guest:And she's doing great.

01:18:00Guest:She can come and go.

01:18:01Guest:She can fly to see her friends.

01:18:03Guest:It's all fantastic.

01:18:04Guest:But I just said goodbye to my childhood home.

01:18:06Guest:about homes and why they're so important.

01:18:11Guest:This is a home that I was raised in for 42 years I was there, or 42 years it's been home.

01:18:16Guest:And I haven't been back there in a long time.

01:18:22Guest:As we all have mixed feelings about our homes, so many great memories were there and so many bad memories were there.

01:18:29Guest:And all of that kind of gets mixed up since I left home 30 years ago.

01:18:33Guest:But it was as if this house was saying to me, because my mom had to leave in a hurry, and it's been there, and it's been just sitting there for like a year and a half.

01:18:44Guest:And it was as if it was saying, you know what?

01:18:47Guest:Hey, man, you need to fucking come back here, and you need to take care of me.

01:18:50Guest:I took care of you.

01:18:52Guest:I took care of you and your family and your friends, your mother's friends.

01:18:57Guest:when you didn't have much, and I didn't have much to offer by way of square footage.

01:19:02Guest:I didn't have much to offer by way of conveniences, and it was fucking cold.

01:19:05Guest:But goddammit, I had a roof over your head, you know?

01:19:09Guest:And I went back, and it was in bad shape, Mark.

01:19:12Guest:It was in bad shape.

01:19:13Guest:And I just, I got like in four days, I went through that whole house.

01:19:17Guest:I relived all those memories in such an intimate, intensive period of time.

01:19:23Guest:And at the end of it,

01:19:25Guest:It had all gone away.

01:19:27Guest:I sent it all away.

01:19:29Guest:I packed up the stuff that I was bringing out here.

01:19:31Guest:I let all that trash go, everything.

01:19:34Guest:And I had it looking prettier than she's ever looked in my entire life knowing her.

01:19:39Guest:And it was as if she just said, thank you.

01:19:44Guest:Now it's time to let me go.

01:19:47Guest:Goodbye.

01:19:47Guest:I can now let you go.

01:19:49Guest:Yeah.

01:19:49Guest:And damn if we didn't get an offer on that motherfucker the next day by a young family that's just starting their journey and love it the way that we did.

01:19:57Guest:That's beautiful.

01:19:58Guest:And that's kind of like, you know, anyway.

01:20:00Guest:I want to get the color of the gray in your walls and just talking about homes.

01:20:04Marc:It would have been different if you said, I burn that motherfucker down.

01:20:08Guest:And I burn that motherfucker down, dude.

01:20:10Guest:And I got the insurance money.

01:20:12Guest:Yeah.

01:20:12Guest:And that's what my mom's living on and fuck that shit.

01:20:17Guest:What a joy, dude.

01:20:18Guest:What a pleasure.

01:20:18Marc:Great talking to you.

01:20:19Marc:Yeah, man.

01:20:25Marc:Walton Goggins.

01:20:27Marc:Good dude.

01:20:28Marc:Good dude.

01:20:29Marc:And he asked me for the paint color and I sent it to him.

01:20:32Marc:He liked the gray in here.

01:20:33Marc:And I went downstairs, I found the can, and I sent him the color.

01:20:37Marc:And he was happy to have it.

01:20:39Marc:Now he knows.

01:20:40Marc:Now he has the gray swatch.

01:20:42Marc:Anyways, that film, Them That Follow, is now playing.

01:20:45Marc:Go to WTFPod.com slash tour for my tour dates.

01:20:49Marc:SwordofTrust.com for theaters where the movie is playing and where you can stream it.

01:20:53Marc:And now I will.

01:20:55Marc:Play guitar for you.

01:20:56Marc:I want you to know that I might be phasing out for a while the echoey Gibson sound.

01:21:01Marc:I'm going to restring my Fender Stratocaster with flatwounds and see where that takes me.

01:21:07Marc:But here's a Les Paul, a black one, a black Les Paul custom.

01:21:38Thank you.

01:22:21Marc:Boomer lives!