Ep. 569: "The Legend of Numb Foot"

Episode 569 • Released February 10, 2025 • Speakers not detected

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00:00:05Beep, boop.
00:00:07Beep, boop, boop, boop.
00:00:11Hello.
00:00:11Hello.
00:00:12Hello, you have reached Merlin.
00:00:14Hello.
00:00:16Hello, Melren.
00:00:19It sounds like you might be a little confused right now.
00:00:22Would you like some help?
00:00:25I do too.
00:00:26I want help.
00:00:27I want help.
00:00:29I want all the help.
00:00:33Where do they keep all the help?
00:00:35That's what I need.
00:00:36Oh, that's what I need.
00:00:38The help is kept out of our reach.
00:00:43Oh, dang it.
00:00:44Again.
00:00:44Well, there's more.
00:00:46Oh, no.
00:00:48I have some other bad news.
00:00:50Oh, no.
00:00:50The help...
00:00:52Such as it is.
00:00:54Has gatekeepers.
00:00:56Gatekeepers.
00:00:57Aren't you so sick of gatekeepers?
00:00:59Gatekeepers.
00:01:01Did you ever do that last doctor appointment I recommended?
00:01:07Jesus try hard get a blog you know just just fix me you know hell you what yeah yeah yeah it's it's you know I've got a numb foot no numb foot numb foot
00:01:29That sounds like somebody that Led Zeppelin would steal a song from.
00:01:32Yeah, right.
00:01:34Or like a fox trapper.
00:01:36Old Numbfoot came in this morning, wanted two pounds of grits.
00:01:41So like a local character.
00:01:43Yeah, Numbfoot.
00:01:44So Numbfoot might be kind of like a community boo-radley.
00:01:49Yeah, exactly.
00:01:50He's got more to say.
00:01:51I don't know what that guy gets up to, but I imagine it ain't no good.
00:01:55Oh, numb foot.
00:01:57He only comes to church for the dinners.
00:02:00He sneaks into the house and makes the toilet sheets cold.
00:02:03Oh, numb foot.
00:02:04Now y'all go easy on numb foot.
00:02:06He can't feel nothing in his foot.
00:02:10Shut up, woman.
00:02:12Biscuit me.
00:02:14Biscuit me.
00:02:18Yeah, I got a foot thing.
00:02:21Well, do you want to talk about it?
00:02:23Well, I don't know what else to do.
00:02:26Just the thing is, I don't know.
00:02:27See, sometimes I like to check with people because I'm starting to realize that I don't communicate the way others do, and I'm trying to allow for that.
00:02:35But I would be happy to talk.
00:02:35What do you think some of the differences are between the way used communicates and these communicates?
00:02:41Come on.
00:02:42What do you think some of those are?
00:02:43If you could give me 11 or 15 reasons you don't think authority is a bad idea, go ahead.
00:02:53I've got time.
00:02:54Now, is this a numb foot from the usual quotidian things of like sitting on it while you're reading a book?
00:03:02Oh, no, no.
00:03:03It's not like that.
00:03:05Do you think he has sugar diabetes?
00:03:08Well, I hope not.
00:03:09Well, you're not going to find out today, buddy.
00:03:15You have reached the first gatekeeper on your quest to keep your foot.
00:03:19I have a question.
00:03:22What is your quest?
00:03:29Some call him Dr. Tim.
00:03:33Because first I need to settle this issue here.
00:03:36It's a rather dog-eared old piece of paper in case you never had that doctor's appointment I told you to schedule.
00:03:41Do you want me to send you the number?
00:03:44That's what the world sounds like to me.
00:03:47Is that right?
00:03:48Well, sure.
00:03:49They just need to get you the phone number, and then you'll make the appointment.
00:03:53Oh, the appointment and the phone number and the appointment.
00:03:57I need an appointment.
00:03:58I need an appointment to get the appointment.
00:04:02Am I right?
00:04:04Wait a minute.
00:04:06Wait a minute.
00:04:07You want to get an appointment?
00:04:08You're saying first you got to have an appointment to get the... You know what that's called in medicine, John?
00:04:13A referral.
00:04:15A referral.
00:04:17Can I put gas in my car?
00:04:19Let me get you a referral.
00:04:21I need to hire an assistant to get an assistant.
00:04:23I need an assistant to hire me an assistant.
00:04:26I need a referral to get an assistant to hire me.
00:04:32Before we can invent the universe, you must first schedule an appointment.
00:04:38I think that was either Richard Dawkins or Carl Sagan that never said that.
00:04:42Or maybe Richard Feynman.
00:04:44Surely he must be joking.
00:04:45He was cracking safes.
00:04:47What if it was Christopher Hitchens?
00:04:49Does that change anything?
00:04:51I think it does.
00:04:51I think it does.
00:04:52Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
00:04:54Now, John, when did you first notice your foot was doing or being some way different than the manner to which you had become accustomed?
00:05:04Doctor, it was two weeks ago...
00:05:07I am an osteopath, so.
00:05:10And a ceramicist.
00:05:12You have a doctor of ceramicy.
00:05:14Oh, I'm a DC.
00:05:17I was on a ski trip, and my boot was too tight, and then my foot was numb the next day, and it has been numb.
00:05:25Now, boots need to be tight for skiing.
00:05:26Is that right?
00:05:27Yeah, but not in the wrong way.
00:05:29They have to be tight in one place.
00:05:30It's a nuanced kind of tight.
00:05:32Yeah, and mine was tight in the wrong place.
00:05:35And now, two weeks have gone by.
00:05:39Well, because I'm a man of a certain age, my thing that I did when I woke up with a numb foot was I looked briefly on the internet.
00:05:49What happens if you have a numb foot?
00:05:51And I read like three lines.
00:05:55One of them said, maybe you have diabetes.
00:05:57Sometimes my wife does the same thing.
00:05:59And I feel like sometimes she reads as much as two lines before arriving at a rash decision.
00:06:04We have to throw out all of our silverware.
00:06:08And I said, it's unlikely that total coincidence that I was.
00:06:13So I'm sorry, real quick.
00:06:14This is the show now.
00:06:15I'm sorry.
00:06:16So what happened?
00:06:16Did you Google numb foot?
00:06:18What was the first thing you did?
00:06:19Yeah, I think I said, got a numb foot and it said, you have diabetes.
00:06:22And I said, okay, I should put ski.
00:06:24I should put ski in the, in the Googs.
00:06:27So I said numb foot ski.
00:06:30Oh, which becomes, it's not a second opinion, but it's a secondary opinion.
00:06:34And then there were a bunch of people that were like, oh, sounds like your ski boots were too tight.
00:06:38And I was like, that checks out.
00:06:40I Googled for that one time when I had a numb foot and it said that I should read the FAQ before posting here.
00:06:48Well, I had to definitely sign up for the newsletter just to get in there.
00:06:54A login link has been sent to your email address.
00:06:59Then I read like one more line down.
00:07:02And it said, ah, it'll probably go away on its own.
00:07:05And I was like, yeah, right, exactly.
00:07:07Or somebody maybe said like, oh, yeah, that happened to me once and my foot was numb for two weeks.
00:07:13And I was like, right, okay.
00:07:14So that's how it happens.
00:07:15Your foot goes numb and then it's numb for some time.
00:07:18But now it has been two weeks.
00:07:20like it's not like constantly numb it I mean but by which I mean not that it's sometimes not numb because it is always numb but it's numb in different ways is it a pins and needles or I know I know can feel sometimes like it's like all over the foot different things are happening sometimes it's like ow and then other times it's when you're walking in different you're walking in different places
00:07:47Well, when I walk around, I look like Numfoot from the village.
00:07:51It's like, why is old Numfoot walking like that?
00:07:53It's like, well, because he's got one foot he can kind of half feel.
00:07:58The legend of Numfoot.
00:08:03Well, a man came to town.
00:08:05So Numfoot's got, you know, one shoe is like got an inch, the sole is an inch thicker than the other shoe.
00:08:12But so I'm walking around.
00:08:13Like a spy, you want to disrupt your gait.
00:08:16I tried on a pair of shoes I hadn't worn in a long time, and I was like, I don't know if he's fit or not, because one of my feet, I can't feel one of my feet.
00:08:22Which makes you realize that your foot is sending you information you hadn't even thought about so much before.
00:08:27It's so true.
00:08:28You notice the difference.
00:08:30A lot of information I'm not asking for.
00:08:32Like right now, sitting here talking to you, I don't feel the one foot, the normal foot, not to normalize, not to be like...
00:08:41But, like, I don't feel my right foot, but my left foot is sending me signals right now, and I'm not doing anything.
00:08:46I'm just sitting here.
00:08:48If the two seemingly equivalent sides of your body are sending you different messages, you're probably over 40.
00:08:54And it happens a lot, and it sucks, but it's difficult to avoid because something's got to give.
00:09:00Something's got to give.
00:09:01Mm-hmm.
00:09:03So last night, I put into the Googs, Numbfoot, two weeks.
00:09:10And they were like, Numbfoot, two weeks?
00:09:16They called it the sophomore slump.
00:09:18It wasn't as good as his premiere.
00:09:21Numbfoot's playing the sphere in two weeks.
00:09:27Do you want tickets?
00:09:29This is not your daddy's Numbfoot show.
00:09:32There were a bunch of people there that said like, wow, if your foot's been numb for two weeks, you really have diabetes.
00:09:40And I said, I don't, I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility that I had a ski injury and got diabetes on the same weekend.
00:09:50I can tell you what I've got for a differential diagnosis.
00:09:52I've got five possible answers according to my differential diagnosis, and I wonder how it overlaps with yours.
00:09:59I'll just do this quickly.
00:10:01The five things I've got here, and there's more detail, but I've got nerve compression or injury.
00:10:06So anyway, what I said was to my...
00:10:09What did you say to your Googs?
00:10:11Oh, you're talking to Chatty G. I said, why would your foot be numb two weeks after skiing?
00:10:17And it said.
00:10:18That's a good way of phrasing it.
00:10:19See, you got it.
00:10:21That's a good way.
00:10:22You know, this is something that Ian Kershaw says in his book about Hitler.
00:10:26He says there's a term that he coined.
00:10:28It's such a good term.
00:10:29Working towards the Fuhrer.
00:10:31You know what I'm saying?
00:10:31You've got to always be executing on what Hitler would want.
00:10:35So you have to ask yourself, what would Chaddy G think?
00:10:37Here's the five things.
00:10:38Nerve compression or injury, trauma-related injury, frostbite, circulation issues, or compartment syndrome or overuse injury.
00:10:46Now, I have more on all of these, but I just wanted to get... I did not get a diabetes on the first one out.
00:10:51Okay, good.
00:10:52Because you phrased it better.
00:10:54You know, I'm just like, boo.
00:10:56See, it's so funny you should say that because as ignorant as I certainly seem to most people, I do learn from the dingus.
00:11:05And one of the things I've learned from the dingus, which is a little bit of an insider life hack, is don't tell it what you think something is.
00:11:13because it gets very attached to pleasing you and giving you an answer.
00:11:18Sometimes I'll have a typo, and it keeps repeating my typo, and I'm like, oh, dude, you're not a good friend.
00:11:24But it helps to just really be a dumb fucking monkey and just type in the question that you actually have.
00:11:32Whereas in Google, I might be more inclined to say, I skied and now I think I have diabetes.
00:11:37Links?
00:11:39Because now it's going to look for the diabetes.
00:11:41And this is another problem with the medical system.
00:11:43We don't have time for this.
00:11:44You've got nerve compression or injury.
00:11:46Tight ski boots, number one.
00:11:49Differential diagnosis, number one.
00:11:51Nerve compression or injury.
00:11:52Tight ski boots or a specific impact could compress nerves in your foot.
00:11:56Number two, trauma-related injury.
00:11:57A fall or twist while skiing might have led to nerve damage.
00:12:00Three, frostbite, which is interesting because I think it's nice that it's incorporating weather.
00:12:05Prolonged exposure to cold can cause nerve damage.
00:12:07That's no good.
00:12:07You don't want that.
00:12:08Sometimes resulting in numbness.
00:12:10Number four of five, circulation issues.
00:12:12Reduced blood flow due to the cold or an injury might contribute to ongoing numbness.
00:12:16Number five, compartment syndrome or overuse injury.
00:12:20In some cases, swelling or repetitive stress can cause nerve compression.
00:12:24Now, the thing is, I don't love any of these.
00:12:27The closest I, the one, as an osteopath or as an aspiring osteopath, I kind of like nerve compression or injury.
00:12:35I got to tell you something, John, I got a nerve thing right now, too.
00:12:38You do?
00:12:39I'm two and a half weeks into a nerve thing that I can't fix or make go away.
00:12:46Merlin, what's your nerve thing?
00:12:47I moved my arm a few weeks ago.
00:12:50Oh, don't do that.
00:12:51Boy, if you listen to the comedy of Nate Bargatze, he'll tell you don't move your arm.
00:12:59Well, if there's anything that we learned from Chef in Apocalypse Now, it's that you should never get out of the boat.
00:13:04And the same goes for your arm.
00:13:05I mean, you're going to have that forever.
00:13:08You know, or well, you know, must be nice, but check your privilege.
00:13:13But, but I started having this weird thing.
00:13:15I won't go into it too much, but like I started noticing, you know, how like a nerve thing feels different.
00:13:21Right.
00:13:22Like a nerve thing feels different than it hits different.
00:13:24Doesn't it?
00:13:25It gives nerve.
00:13:27It does give nerve.
00:13:28But I started having this weird thing that was kind of in my shoulder and kind of in my arm.
00:13:32And now it's kind of been moving around.
00:13:33And because on the left side of my body, I assume it's a heart attack.
00:13:36But I don't.
00:13:37But like it's moved around a little bit.
00:13:39And I use my wife's Theragun on it, which I have to say does not seem smart because I don't know what a Theragun is.
00:13:46It really kind of looks like a gun.
00:13:47You hold it.
00:13:48And it goes... On the face of it, it just looks like a regular little vibrator, but it's not.
00:13:53It's closer to like a... It makes a sound?
00:13:55Yeah, go look up Theragun.
00:13:57It's like a pile driver for your nerves.
00:13:58And it comes with a Bluetooth app that I don't use where it can tell you, like, now, put this on your perineum and think of the queen or whatever.
00:14:06Are you sure that's not a sex toy?
00:14:09Well, I don't know if it's a sex toy.
00:14:10It's probably a sex... sex munition.
00:14:14A sex munition.
00:14:14Well, that's what... Fire in the hole!
00:14:19I'm going to light up this tree line.
00:14:24This is the end.
00:14:26God, why am I pounding my nerves on purpose?
00:14:30Now let me ask you this thing you're using this On your on your own it's okay trying to fix my nerves with Theragun is kind of like trying to fix my anxiety with meditation Which is it doesn't really work if you only use it when it's already too late And it certainly doesn't help when it's too late and it's the wrong tool for the job.
00:14:51I see I see with that with that said anyways um now
00:14:56You tell me this is I'm writing all this down.
00:14:59This is all gonna be in the report Of course, I'll send a copy that to your my chart.
00:15:03Do you have the login for that?
00:15:04Send it to my send it to my assistant.
00:15:06She has my my chart login The thing is every time I go to a doctor of any kind they give me a new
00:15:12My chart room.
00:15:16It's like you've got the worst staff in the world.
00:15:19Like, I've been this person.
00:15:20I've been this worst staff in the world.
00:15:22The kind of person who, in the 90s, for example, would send you unnecessary emails at 2 in the morning to show that you're working hard or appear to be working hard, which you could schedule with Eudora anyway.
00:15:31But the point is, their main thing is to ask me if I've done something.
00:15:35This is a person who went to theoretically went to, I don't think osteopaths go to medical school.
00:15:41I mean, they go to probably like a Central American version of medical school.
00:15:44And they are osteopaths, which I think means they remove your bones.
00:15:49The osteopaths, right.
00:15:51I've looked this medicine up before.
00:15:55Osteopaths.
00:15:56But all I get is homework.
00:15:58I don't get medical care, I get homework.
00:16:00That's all I get.
00:16:00Yeah, osteopath.
00:16:01Okay, okay.
00:16:02So, back on topic here.
00:16:03We've got a lot to cover.
00:16:05So, two weeks, is it bothering you?
00:16:09Sorry, in what ways is it potentially, at this two-ish week mark, in what ways is your numb foot bothering you?
00:16:19Well, let me say, let me see when I look at it and when I poke it, uh, with the, with like any kind of tool.
00:16:26Um, it doesn't seem swollen.
00:16:29It's not discolored.
00:16:31It's not actually painful really.
00:16:36And I've walked several miles on it, you know, kind of like fwap, fwap, fwap kind of walking, but walking.
00:16:46Oh, like you have one clown shoe.
00:16:48A little bit.
00:16:51Okay, in the legend of Numbfoot, I think it would be kind of fun if we realized it was all just because he always wore one clown shoe.
00:16:58He just had a clown shoe.
00:16:59He could change if he wanted to.
00:17:01He seems happy.
00:17:01Nobody said, hey, hey, hey.
00:17:03Flopper.
00:17:04Flopper.
00:17:06You know, there's a guy here making shoes.
00:17:07Here he comes.
00:17:08I can hear him coming.
00:17:11So, but it is, I think more than anything, and this is so true of so many things, I just want to be assured that it's fine.
00:17:23And if someone assured me that it was fine, then I wouldn't be bothered.
00:17:27The obvious thing for me here, I am going to quote Seinfeld, and I'm sorry in advance, but there's the wonderful thing where George Costanza has the white slight discoloration on his lip, and he goes to a doctor because he thinks it's cancer, but the doctor won't say to him, it's not cancer.
00:17:45And the phrase that he uses, a classic Larry David phrase, he just wants to get out of here.
00:17:48You come in, is it cancer?
00:17:50Get out of here!
00:17:51That's what you want.
00:17:52You just want someone to say, it's not foot cancer or sin.
00:17:58It's not sin.
00:17:59It's not diabetes.
00:18:01And I think...
00:18:04You know like I have not been skiing in the last two weeks partly because I don't know if I should go up onto the mountain with a numb foot that seems Maybe not a question and back in the day when you would date Israeli women with frizzy hair who were combat boots Yeah, if you knew that your that's your spy partner Inside of her combat boots had one numb foot.
00:18:26Would you take her on an important mission?
00:18:28Oh, see, I wouldn't.
00:18:30I would say, hey, you need to sit this one out.
00:18:32Well, I think you can put it in a nice way as a manager and say, look, I need you.
00:18:37I can't afford to lose you.
00:18:39And I don't want you to be careless about your numb foot.
00:18:42See, this is why you are married and I'm not, because you know how to talk.
00:18:46You said, I can't afford to lose you.
00:18:51Whereas I said, you need to sit this one out.
00:18:54And that's our relationship history in a nutshell.
00:18:56But the thing is, I'm fine with it all.
00:19:03It's just when I do go onto the Googs and I type in foot, numb, two-week ski or whatever and get a bunch of garbage returns, the ones that talk about going to the doctor do that thing where they're like, you should see a doctor who's going to tell you there's nothing you can do about this.
00:19:26There's nobody, there's no, it does not appear that there's a cure for any of the things it might be.
00:19:34There are seven things it could be, but other than curing diabetes, all the other things are just like, well.
00:19:41They've been trying to do that for a while now.
00:19:44Yeah, they have.
00:19:45But it's like, if it's nerve damage, well, you fucked up.
00:19:47If it's frostbite, well, you fucked up.
00:19:49If it's this, well, you fucked up.
00:19:51Like, I don't see any... And this happens so often where it's like, why would I go to the doctor?
00:19:56Like, I broke my hand.
00:19:57What's he gonna do?
00:19:57Put my hand in a cast?
00:19:59No, he's not.
00:20:01He's gonna...
00:20:02Or she.
00:20:03Yeah, thank you.
00:20:04They're going to break my hand again?
00:20:08You know, like it's so many of the things that have happened to me, it's just like the first return should just be like too late.
00:20:15Too late to do anything about it.
00:20:16There's a thing that happens that I think happens in a lot of different movies and TV shows, especially like spy stuff or like crime stuff, where somebody gets, let's say, shot or stabbed by their opponent.
00:20:30But you know what they can't do?
00:20:31They can't go to the emergency room because if they go to the emergency room, it's going to get reported as a GSW.
00:20:38Right, a GSW.
00:20:39And that goes, so now there's going to be somebody exploring exactly how it is that you got shot.
00:20:42So you know what you do?
00:20:43You go to a veterinarian who works for the mob.
00:20:45Record.
00:20:46Can I just say, that is extremely appealing to me, and I'll tell you why.
00:20:50I'm going to say this quickly.
00:20:51I'm going to say this in a way that will not be findable by people, but I'm going to say this because we're pals, and this is an important thought technology.
00:21:00We think that doctors, we think that medical...
00:21:03the medical industry, is there to help us stay healthy and then to restore us to health when we fall ill for whatever reason, which I think is a very optimistic way to look at that industry.
00:21:17I tend to look at it from a slightly more H.L.
00:21:19Mencken way.
00:21:20I don't know if this was in the, no, who wrote the Devil's Dictionary?
00:21:23Was that Mencken?
00:21:24Ambrose Bierce?
00:21:25The Devil.
00:21:25Whoever, okay, sorry.
00:21:27It's the clues in the name.
00:21:29It's right there in the title.
00:21:30But it's like the Devil said it in his or her,
00:21:33dictionary, in the version I'm making in my head right now, it's really more like asking, what is your tolerance for entering into an unnecessarily complex process that may or may not benefit your health?
00:21:52Another way I put this recently that I'm sure frustrates a lot of people is
00:21:56Do I look like I care?
00:21:58Doctors fix the thing they feel like fixing about you.
00:22:03And sometimes what they feel like fixing about you, well, here's another clue.
00:22:06You ever call someplace?
00:22:07You ever call a doctor?
00:22:08You ever call a Google?
00:22:09You ever call?
00:22:10When my lizard died, and so I'd had to call
00:22:14I had to call an animal hospital.
00:22:16I had to call an animal hospital.
00:22:17That's a long story.
00:22:18And what happens when you call anywhere because you're worried about the health of a thing?
00:22:23What's the one thing they always say often at the top of the call?
00:22:26If this is an emergency, hang up the phone and dial 911.
00:22:29Right.
00:22:30Which I'm sure the 911 people love.
00:22:33Oh, my lizard's sleepy.
00:22:36But why do they do that?
00:22:38Because... Insurance.
00:22:41Well, also, I mean, to go back to the vet for a minute, they were booking appointments like a week out for this stuff.
00:22:49And if I wanted to get emergency care for Bando, I was supposed to drive him to call somewhere in, I think it was in, not even San Mateo, I think it was San Ramon, and call this emergency doctor place, which I'm sure is very reasonably priced.
00:23:05The thing is, I'm pretty sure my lizards, at this point, when Billy and I, he drove me in.
00:23:10He drove me.
00:23:11He's got a driver's license now.
00:23:12Drove us to the lizard doctor.
00:23:15And, you know, whatever.
00:23:16They took my $400 and put him under a lamp for 10 minutes before they told us he was dead.
00:23:21It's a long story.
00:23:22But they...
00:23:23But their job is to fix animals.
00:23:26I'm sure they got into the racket for a good reason.
00:23:28I mean, every veterinarian starts as a failed osteopath.
00:23:32But it's mainly about that office, in my own little Ambrose Bierce way, is I think it's a machine for accepting money and making appointments.
00:23:44The care is important, but...
00:23:48The other stuff is super important.
00:23:50The way we hire out and scale up is so that we can accept more money and schedule more things, which is how a business works.
00:23:57I get that.
00:23:58But if you think going to a fucking human medical doctor is all that different, you have not gone to a doctor lately.
00:24:07It's just a machine for processing things that has become very efficient.
00:24:11It's got German efficiency in a lot of ways.
00:24:14It's not like it's run by the fucking Italians.
00:24:17You know what I mean?
00:24:18You know what I mean?
00:24:19You know, John, the way I look at it is that in heaven... Yeah.
00:24:22How does this go?
00:24:23I always get this wrong.
00:24:24The French... The French are the chefs.
00:24:26Wait, wait, wait.
00:24:28Let me get this.
00:24:28The French are the chefs, the Italians are the lovers, and the Germans are... Germans are the engineers, and the English are the bureaucrats.
00:24:38In hell, the English are the chefs, the Italians are the bureaucrats, the French are the engineers...
00:24:47And the Germans are the lovers.
00:24:50That's such a good joke.
00:24:52It's a really good joke.
00:24:54Fix it again, Tony.
00:24:56A lot of variations.
00:24:57It's very good, every one of them.
00:25:00That's my quick side rail on this, and I'm sorry, I don't want to go on about it, but I'm really, maybe I'm touchy about this, but I'm pretty sensitive to how much people tell me I misapprehend how the world works because they've accepted some idea of authority that is completely fucking deranged.
00:25:15You've been to the doctor a lot in your life, is that right?
00:25:20I would say, honestly, even if you include stuff like dentists, I'm not an anti-dentite, but even if you include stuff like that, no, not that much.
00:25:29I tend to avoid it.
00:25:30I tend to think that, I said this recently on another program, and I wouldn't even say this to you, it's so embarrassing to say, but I think going to the doctor is almost always a form of punishment from someone.
00:25:42Oh, well, I mean, there's, there's, well, there's the high level of like you, like in a medieval sense of like you have sinned and you wouldn't have this problem if you hadn't.
00:25:52Now I mentioned an array of smoke had taken better care of yourself, you know, put a hamster up your butt.
00:25:58Well, you know, medically like all that stuff.
00:26:00If you hadn't, if you hadn't been a bad person, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
00:26:04And also why weren't you here earlier?
00:26:07How often does that come up?
00:26:08Cause so now the thing is though, I arrived there with,
00:26:11with a bunch of red on the ledger.
00:26:15Like, I arrive in arrears to the medical industry because I'm such a bad patient, and I ask so many fucking unacceptable questions, and I accept so little advice
00:26:27of the the authority that everybody else so happily grants them for absolutely no reason um so no i would say i go less there have been times you know like when i was having when i first got when i first got diagnosed with my chronic um you know intestinal disorder
00:26:47No, no, no.
00:26:48Oh, it's Uck.
00:26:50Not Ibs.
00:26:50Oh, Uck.
00:26:51Not Ibs.
00:26:52Oh, no, I have an inflammatory bowel disease called Crenn's disease.
00:26:55Excuse me.
00:26:56I know the one.
00:26:56Called ulcerative colitis.
00:26:58And it's very similar in some ways to the slightly more bad, not slightly more, the worst.
00:27:03The one Eisenhower had was Crenn's disease.
00:27:05Anyways, there was that.
00:27:06Do you follow a FODMAP?
00:27:08Oh, are you kidding me?
00:27:11Oh, this is, I mean, in terms of my intermittent fasting or my meditation practice.
00:27:16You and my mom should sit down and talk about FODMAPs.
00:27:21I would enjoy that.
00:27:22Between an hour and four hours.
00:27:23I'm going to look up what a FODMAP is.
00:27:24I've written it down here on a piece of paper.
00:27:26FODMAP.
00:27:27F-O-D-M-A-P, one word?
00:27:31Oh, wait.
00:27:31That sounds like an acronym.
00:27:34Is it?
00:27:35Oh, is it an acronym?
00:27:37Foods of duty.
00:27:40They did it again.
00:27:43Flesh of denial.
00:27:46Friends of Diana.
00:27:48What does it mean?
00:27:49And why is it a map?
00:27:51It's in Australian.
00:27:52Oh, I see.
00:27:54It's maps.
00:27:56They don't love you like I love you.
00:27:57I see.
00:27:57Yeah, and it's got words in it like aglio disarides.
00:28:02Oh, fuck, really?
00:28:04Oh, man.
00:28:06I have so much to learn.
00:28:07I don't learn about FOD maps.
00:28:09Anyway, that was all I wanted to say about that.
00:28:10But I think, you know, here in our little world,
00:28:13Yours and mine.
00:28:16You could be forgiven by me in particular for being a little bit reluctant to go straight into the doctor.
00:28:22Unlike some people I know who just can't get enough of doctor's appointments.
00:28:25And every new piece of information is turned over and we decide what that means about our life.
00:28:32I'm not thinking of anyone in particular here.
00:28:33It's just something that a lot of people do.
00:28:35And I'm not like that.
00:28:36I would rather wait for it to go to wait to see to see if I stop shitting blood or do eventually feel my foot again.
00:28:42Because what like QED?
00:28:46What did you just say 15 minutes ago?
00:28:49You're going to go in there and there's going to be a whole thing and they're not going to fix your hand.
00:28:53And all you're gonna do is walk away with like, even setting aside the very real problem of how much this all costs, you're gonna walk away with a very unsatisfying solution to your problem.
00:29:04And in my case, like a lot of frustration and resentment about how that system works and why this 29-year-old person who happened to be good at biology in the 1990s
00:29:212000s it is now is now somebody who wears a stethoscope around their neck and a little white jacket with the FACS certification on it and like that's supposed to like really fucking blow me away and I shouldn't ask a bunch of damn full questions about all these other sorts of things that actually do have a an immediate impact on my quality of life Yeah, so what are you gonna do?
00:29:47Well, I think I'm going to keep doing nothing.
00:29:50I think that's, you know, I'm not an osteopath, but I have to say.
00:29:54There's worse things you could do.
00:29:55You didn't try to just like, you didn't try to do like home surgery or anything or psychic surgery, you know?
00:30:02Remember psychic surgery?
00:30:03The amazing Randy used to reveal how people did psychic surgery.
00:30:06Yeah, psychic surgery.
00:30:08That was where they said you could go to the Philippines and they take out your tumors.
00:30:11But it turns out it's just, I'm sorry, a osteopath never reveals his tricks.
00:30:15But what James Randi showed was that you could have a chicken liver.
00:30:18You could palm it because, you know, James Randi.
00:30:21Palm a chicken liver.
00:30:22We've all done that.
00:30:23I mean, Philippines.
00:30:24Philip Roth talked about an important noise complaint.
00:30:28But you palm a chicken liver and you go, look at me.
00:30:32So I'm doing that thing where your hand looks kind of weird because you're a magician and you think it looks normal.
00:30:35And then you go, oh, look at this.
00:30:36Now imagine, forgive me, do I have consent to examine you?
00:30:41Uh, uh, yes.
00:30:42Now imagine I'm standing near you and let's say you're, you're, you're topless and I've got my hand here and I'm saying, okay, I'm going to go into your abdomen.
00:30:50And then I do that thing.
00:30:51This is, this is great for like messing with a toddler because they, they just don't get this because I don't object permanence, uh, poor math scores, but you do that thing where you act like your hand is going into the abdomen, but you're really just curling your fingers and
00:31:07And going in, remember now you're pulling a chicken liver and, but then you bust up, you bust a blood pack and you act like you're pulling the chicken liver out of the person's abdomen.
00:31:18Now, James Randi says that's what psychic surgery is.
00:31:22And I don't think it's really that different from a lot of osteopaths, let alone chiropractors.
00:31:27And you literally don't want to get me started on chiropractors.
00:31:30I'll tell you what.
00:31:31They can also give you a horoscope, which is nice.
00:31:33Dedicated listeners to this show and to Omnibus may find that in a month they are hearing an Omnibus episode about psychic healing.
00:31:41Fuck you.
00:31:42Are you kidding me?
00:31:43Did you already record it?
00:31:44I just pick stuff up out of the ether and just carry it around with me.
00:31:48Well, then you tell me, knowing that you and your co-host are such thorough researchers, did I get, as Rachel Maddow would say, did I get that right?
00:31:56That's what I remember.
00:31:57I remember him.
00:32:00James Randi fucked with so many dumbasses when I was a kid, and I'll tell you about three.
00:32:04The most famous one is Uri Geller.
00:32:06Yuri Geller and the Spoonbending, and he just spanked that ass right on Johnny Carson, because he could prove what he was doing.
00:32:14There's the psychic surgery, and then there was one on That's Incredible, where there was a guy who claimed that he could move things with his mind.
00:32:21And to prove it, we said, okay, James Randi says, okay, well, here's what we're going to do.
00:32:26Here's the yellow pages.
00:32:28And on top of this yellow pages, remember styrofoam peanuts back in the day?
00:32:31I'm going to put some styrofoam peanuts.
00:32:32Back in the day, they're all over my house.
00:32:35I'm going to put some styrofoam peanuts onto these yellow pages.
00:32:37Now you go ahead and make those move.
00:32:39Well, guess what?
00:32:41The fact that he was almost like a breatharian version of, he would blow on it, a breatharian version of ventriloquism, where he's able to throw his breath.
00:32:56So the way he was making shit move was by blowing on it a little bit and then doing a bunch of fancy hand gestures.
00:33:02And you'd see the pages of the yellow, or something like this, would move.
00:33:06And then that guy goes, wait a minute, all these hot lights and the static caused by the styrofoam of throwing off my mind.
00:33:14Fucking James Randi.
00:33:15He walked around with a check in his pocket.
00:33:17He'd give you a check for, he had a check for, what's it, $100,000?
00:33:20He'd give you $100,000 if you could prove that psychic phenomena was real.
00:33:24And he carried around a check.
00:33:26Unmade out check.
00:33:28I would not.
00:33:28I mean, yeah, because I think what I would personally what I would do is I don't miss checks.
00:33:34But if you're going to do that, oh, boy, two things.
00:33:37I would obviously leave.
00:33:39Don't make it out to cash and sign it.
00:33:41You know, I would leave the robe.
00:33:43I would say this is where I would write.
00:33:44This is where I would write Uri Geller.
00:33:46Yeah, and leave the date because the bank's probably going to get confused about that.
00:33:51But they call him the Amazing Randy, which is a cool name.
00:33:56I remember all these things.
00:33:57These were our times.
00:33:58Tell me about your psychic surgery.
00:33:59What have you learned?
00:34:00Oh, sorry.
00:34:00You know what?
00:34:00Save it for the show.
00:34:01Never mind.
00:34:01Never mind.
00:34:02Save it for the show.
00:34:03We all have shows.
00:34:05Shows and shows and shows.
00:34:06I watched your co-host on the Celebrity Game Show the other night.
00:34:10Was he doing a good job?
00:34:11Yeah, he does a really good job.
00:34:13I think he does a very, very good job.
00:34:16But also, it had some celebrities, you know, and that's always nice.
00:34:20Any celebrities that you know?
00:34:22They usually do have some celebrities.
00:34:24Well, there's some that do really well.
00:34:26Mike Barinholtz, a comedian that I like a lot, he's...
00:34:30He's amazing.
00:34:32This one had, who was it?
00:34:34It was an actor, a woman from a show, maybe from, it wasn't Rosa from Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
00:34:40But it was, anyways, but your friend's doing a good job.
00:34:43I know he doesn't really know me, but please tell him I said hello and I enjoy his work.
00:34:48I don't need to do that publicly and make a big thing about it, but just if it matters.
00:34:52Here's the thing, John.
00:34:53Sometimes it matters when somebody tells you that they like what you do.
00:34:57Oh, yeah.
00:34:57Even the people, or especially the people.
00:35:00The bigger up you go.
00:35:00The bigger up.
00:35:03The bigger up you go.
00:35:03The bigger up you go.
00:35:05Boy, I had a question about a Mormon last night.
00:35:09I should write this down.
00:35:11I'm the guy to ask.
00:35:13But I thought the Manning brothers, I think their names are like Eli and Jose.
00:35:18But the Manning brothers, I thought that they were...
00:35:21they're not mormons right they're just normal christians is that right oh boy you follow football oh oh the football ones yeah i think they're just a regular two football men who were doing one of those commercials for gambling and i wasn't trying to be like jacuz or whatever but like uh could you please um ask your co-host what i should know about mormons and gambling
00:35:42I think Mormons are pretty down on gambling.
00:35:45You know what the biggest gamble is?
00:35:47Thinking you should have more than one woman in your life.
00:35:49Oh, no.
00:35:55Oh, no.
00:35:58I'm exhausted, John.
00:35:59I'm exhausted.
00:36:00I've put so much effort into this program today.
00:36:03I'm exhausted.
00:36:03Are you feeling okay?
00:36:04Are you all right?
00:36:05How's your foot?
00:36:06It's a it's a little numb, you know, I did do you feel I you know you consume a lot of Contemporary media and you also have over the years been adjacent to a lot of celebrity type people
00:36:26Do you now, when you're looking up something or something's on or there's a show or some kind of thing or it's another thing or one of those things that you're looking at and it's people, do you ever go...
00:36:42I'm going to bet that I know two people in the production of this thing and then read the names and be like, oh, there's one.
00:36:53Oh, you know, like know them personally, not like just like know who they are.
00:36:58Do you ever do that?
00:36:58Do you ever play that game?
00:37:00I don't think I do.
00:37:02I'm always delighted to learn.
00:37:05And this is not about my personal acquaintance.
00:37:07But I'm always delighted to learn that somebody I know from another thing is doing a thing separately that I find really interesting.
00:37:13There's a woman named Emily Yoshida.
00:37:16who is, doesn't matter, but there's a podcast I like called Blank Check, and she is the person who's been guest on the show most often, and she's my favorite guest.
00:37:23I mean, I love them all, but she's really, really good.
00:37:26And I found out that she worked on Shogun, which was one of my favorite TV shows.
00:37:30Well, what do you know about them?
00:37:31She wrote.
00:37:31She wrote for, with the team, you know, she wrote for Shogun.
00:37:36I think we talked about Shogun and the way that show was made and how fucking incredible the production of that show was, but...
00:37:41As far as the people I know stuff, sometimes I like to, so I, I don't know if you know about Patreon.
00:37:48I utilize Patreon to support the work of several people whose work I enjoy.
00:37:53And I have to admit that sometimes at the end of the YouTube video, because it's one of those videos where they show the names of the people who donate, I think I wait and I wait to see my name.
00:38:01And as long as I pause it, I call my son into the room.
00:38:04I said, you see your daddy's name there?
00:38:06Me and Marco, me and Marco Orman, we both support this program.
00:38:09Oh, that's wonderful.
00:38:10I love that.
00:38:11I think that's the personal part of it.
00:38:13Um, I don't think so.
00:38:16Um, but you know, here's a neat thing.
00:38:17And I feel like you get, I'm trying, I'm sort of not inverting this, but I'm definitely twisting it.
00:38:24I think one thing that's really exciting.
00:38:25I feel like you get a lot.
00:38:26I mean, on half a dozen occasions you've said, Oh, I was contacted by somebody who blah.
00:38:30is like a lieutenant colonel in the army who listens to this show or somebody who, for that matter, is the... God fucking damn it.
00:38:39I woke up this morning again, da-da-da-da-da, with fucking the KEXP performance of Iron Lung in my head again.
00:38:48Again, John.
00:38:50I posted this on the internet over the weekend.
00:38:54I post this video.
00:38:55The video for Not Too Soon by Throwing Muses and the KEXP live performance of Iron Long by King Gizzard and Lizard Wizard are two videos I will always post two or three times a week.
00:39:04And if you don't like it, I can't help you.
00:39:06It's just so important that...
00:39:08Impotent it's so important talking like a baby like a fucking millennial But no seriously, here's the thing I used to think a quick one by the pool by the police a quick one by the who from the Rolling Stones rock and roll circus was the greatest live rock performance of all time Which is a pretty good one pretty good one good one the KEXP performance of iron lung and here's the thing if you've ever been in a band and
00:39:35If you've ever been in, especially a loud band, or a guitar boy band, or a metal band, and you watch the video, the KEX, I don't want to oversell it, except it is, at this point, my favorite rock and roll performance, love.
00:39:50What they do in that 10 minutes
00:39:52is stunning.
00:39:54As somebody who's tried to be in bands that sound good, what they can do with three guitar players all soloing at the same time and still supporting each other is... Have you watched that particular performance?
00:40:06No, but I'm going to go do it.
00:40:08Oh, John, that's so great.
00:40:09Well, and, you know, as usual, give it six listens.
00:40:13Oh, sure.
00:40:14I mean, the version on the record is good, but this version is really special.
00:40:19And what was my point?
00:40:20My point was the Rolling Stones and this.
00:40:23Oh, you're talking about people that you know that make things.
00:40:26And you might be contacted.
00:40:28I still don't understand this and I don't need to know, but you were contacted by somebody affiliated with that band, which is, for practical purposes...
00:40:36In the abstract, my favorite band right now.
00:40:37My favorite band producing new stuff right now.
00:40:39They're up there.
00:40:41And you were contacted by that person.
00:40:42And as we discussed for, I believe, three episodes in a row, you not only got to go to that show and meet the band, but you had a really, really positive experience that I think continues, it sounds like, to have a positive impact on you.
00:40:55That's the stuff I love.
00:40:57That's the stuff I love.
00:40:58I posted, there's a singer-songwriter woman named Sara Bareilles that I really like.
00:41:05She's almost like, I hope this is a compliment to everyone, but it's almost like the way Carole King was in 1971, where you're like, wait a minute, you can just have this like...
00:41:16normal looking person come out but perform these incredible songs and like they have a career where they write songs and release them but she you know she also was on girls 5 eva which is great she uh made a new wrote a music for a new version of waitress anyway you guys all know this but sarah barellis is incredible i i posted this amazing video of sarah barellis doing
00:41:39a stunning version of Goodbye Yellow Brick Road with an orchestra.
00:41:44And I was contacted by somebody who I think played double bassoon on that.
00:41:50It was like, yeah, I was there.
00:41:51We did that.
00:41:52And I'm like, oh my God, did you also play to support this other person in this series?
00:41:55And yes.
00:41:56And like, that's what I love.
00:41:58I love being contacted by the soldiers in the field who...
00:42:01who have made, in the same way that I make these insane pivots of connection that make no sense to anybody else, to find out that somebody who reads what I say on the internet also played a wind instrument on a Sara Bareilles song I love, it makes me so happy.
00:42:18It makes me feel like there's sense in the world.
00:42:20That's the ones I really love.
00:42:22I got a letter the other day from the government.
00:42:25It said they were suckers.
00:42:27No, but I got a letter from my... I don't know if you've heard of Patreon, but it's this place where people can support artists.
00:42:37Give us your fucking money.com.
00:42:39And I do a show where I reply to viewer mail over at John Roderick.
00:42:45Letters.
00:42:46We get letters.
00:42:47Patreon.com slash Roderick.
00:42:47We get sacks and stacks of letters.
00:42:50Sorry, please read the URL again for our listeners.
00:42:53That's patreon.com slash John Roderick.
00:42:55And I got a letter there.
00:42:58a guy who said you know you and merlin joke around all the time i already hate this about uh about how you should be on the board of directors oh boy of a company
00:43:10And he goes on to say... My name is Robert Company.
00:43:14When you first mentioned it, back in 2000... I was the CEO of a major bank, and I was looking for a new member of our board.
00:43:29No, John!
00:43:33That's so sweet!
00:43:34You must just take it as a nice compliment and walk away.
00:43:39But you're not, are you?
00:43:41You're not.
00:43:41I'm reading this letter and I'm just like, you know, all of a sudden the feathers because I'm squeezing the couch pillow so hard.
00:43:50Why didn't I know?
00:43:51How many of these do I not know about?
00:43:55He says, I was really, you know, I was looking to diversify our board and get somebody that's outside of the trenches of your typical MBA.
00:44:04Yeah, think outside the bank.
00:44:06And your typical, you know, venture capitalists and all these dumb dinglings.
00:44:11We got plenty of those, John.
00:44:12We know what those guys think.
00:44:13We've had enough.
00:44:14We had a snoot full of those guys.
00:44:16And he says, he goes on to say, but you know, the decision wasn't entirely up to me.
00:44:21I was only the CEO.
00:44:23And we ended up going in a different direction, presumably meaning that they put another venture capitalist or MBA on the board.
00:44:30I have often, often, often been reminded that someone decided to go in a different direction.
00:44:34That's not a new thing for me.
00:44:35And so he's writing me now to tell me that he went in a different direction 10 years ago when he first heard me say that I should be on his board.
00:44:44And I, and when I said it, that's the thing when I, when we said that, when we, when we started talking about that originally, I was like, I know there's somebody listening to this program right now that has a board of directors that is full of MBAs and venture capitalists.
00:44:58And they want me, I know they're listening.
00:45:01And nothing.
00:45:02Silence.
00:45:04And now, 10 years later, he's like, actually, but anyway, I'm not the CEO of that bank anymore.
00:45:09But tell me, why would you be good on a corporate board?
00:45:12I'm like, feathers everywhere in this house now.
00:45:15Now we're back to the doctor shit.
00:45:17Because now you're going to do a job interview for something you can never occupy.
00:45:22I don't know, though.
00:45:23But you might learn from you.
00:45:24You might learn from you.
00:45:25I don't know if there's a 37-year-old listening who just is recently putting a board together who's like, maybe I should learn from the experience of that banker guy.
00:45:34And now... That guy blew his shot.
00:45:37He blew his shot.
00:45:38They could have netted you.
00:45:42I don't know.
00:45:42He might be writing me from the aircraft carrier where he lives off the coast of Sao Paulo because he did so good.
00:45:50Maybe he's the guy from Tenet.
00:45:51That would be cool.
00:45:53Maybe he's the guy from Tenet.
00:45:53Maybe he's the protagonist.
00:45:54You know, that's the character's name is the protagonist.
00:45:57Isn't that right?
00:45:58The protagonist.
00:45:59Yeah, you got to watch that movie five times.
00:46:01I've watched it.
00:46:02I've watched it.
00:46:03Did you catch the thing on the backpack?
00:46:04Did you catch it?
00:46:06No, I only watched it the one time.
00:46:08Okay, see, I've been admonished by my friends to stop talking about the backpack.
00:46:12But the truth is, because I have a friend who says, no, you don't mention the backpack, then you're spoiling it.
00:46:17And I said, okay, Dunkirk has three different timescales.
00:46:22Everybody thinks they know that, but they actually don't.
00:46:24And that's why they're confused.
00:46:26They're confused about why it's pitch black on the mole while it's bright up in the sky while Tom Brady, whatever his name is, Tom Brady's flying it around.
00:46:34Tom Brady, yeah.
00:46:35Because they didn't notice that intercard that said that there's three timescales.
00:46:39And I think in Tenet, you've got to remind people there's a lot going on.
00:46:43It's got Elizabeth Debicki.
00:46:44She's over six feet tall.
00:46:47I was not forced, but definitely like, you know, like seated.
00:46:52Gang pressed?
00:46:54I was seated onto a couch and told to sit still.
00:46:57Seated onto a couch.
00:46:59And watch the most recent episode of Severance.
00:47:02And I was like...
00:47:04Yes, and there is some kind of thing happening in the last episode of Severance where it's like, now wait a minute.
00:47:10Who the fuck is Dieter E?
00:47:11Now wait a minute.
00:47:13This is not squaring.
00:47:17This is not in-universe squaring unless there's some secret.
00:47:21And so after it was over and the person that had pressed me to the couch and told me to watch this show had fallen asleep, I was like, I'm too tired to get up.
00:47:31I got a numb foot.
00:47:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:47:33And it's a long way, you know, it's a long way to temporary.
00:47:36Yeah, a long way to go.
00:47:37And so I've got the... To do what?
00:47:39To go, like, the thing is, there's YouTube videos about this and some of them are very well made.
00:47:44But I tend to avoid those whilst I will watch a recap of season one.
00:47:48Like, there's several recaps of season one that are really good because I learned so much shit that I missed the first time.
00:47:54Like the fact that the sexy dancing at the waffle party when he wears the Kear Egan mask, that's the four tempers.
00:47:59Don't tell me.
00:48:01No, no, no.
00:48:01That's from last season.
00:48:03Yeah, but maybe I one day will want to learn all this stuff.
00:48:07Okay, see?
00:48:08I get that.
00:48:09I honor that.
00:48:10Yeah, thank you.
00:48:11And what was it?
00:48:11Because you're the legend of Mumford.
00:48:14Mumford.
00:48:16Mumford and Sons.
00:48:17You didn't get off the couch to go look it up, or what was it that your lassitude was causing on TV?
00:48:22No, so I'm sitting in the dark, and I'm like, I don't know.
00:48:26I don't want to get up.
00:48:28I don't want to know any more about anything.
00:48:30Right.
00:48:31How much was it?
00:48:33How often?
00:48:34How far was that woman?
00:48:37The television said, do you want to watch Moneyball?
00:48:41Oh, that movie's good.
00:48:44I'll watch Moneyball.
00:48:45The movie's fucking good.
00:48:46I've watched Moneyball a few times.
00:48:48Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:48:48I'll watch it again.
00:48:49It's one of the best sports movies there is.
00:48:51Absolutely.
00:48:52Yeah, yeah.
00:48:52And so it was already something like in the middle of the night.
00:48:55So this movie's like the big short where it's like, this is, I don't know if this movie's like perfect for everybody, but it's kind of perfect for me.
00:49:03Right, exactly.
00:49:04And so I put it on for no good reason and I watched the whole thing Even though it was late Billy being that his name Billy bean Billy bean and I think you know Jonah Hill and Brad Pitt both doing the best thing that they could just doing their best work and Then I then I was curious Brad Pitt was also in the big short He's in the big short and he was great in that to continue
00:49:29And so I looked it up, and when I looked up Moneyball, it came up, the Googs call it Ohomem Que Mudujo Ojogo, which is, I think, the name for Moneyball in maybe Portuguese.
00:49:48I don't know why it...
00:49:49I don't know why I did that.
00:49:51I know how to say obrogado.
00:49:53I know how to say obrogado.
00:49:55Obrogado.
00:49:56Which is very close to obrogado, which is like a lawyer.
00:50:03And kind of close to oblongata.
00:50:05But I know that from turning the menu at steakhouses.
00:50:09But what I learned about Moneyball was it was directed by a guy named Ben Miller.
00:50:15Who's only, he's basically your age.
00:50:19I'm sorry.
00:50:20And he went to college with Philip Seymour Hoffman.
00:50:26And he directed only three movies as far as... Oh, no, four movies.
00:50:31The first movie he did was that one, The Cruise, about the guy who Kramer was based on, who gave tours of New York City.
00:50:41Yeah, right, right, right.
00:50:42Remember that guy?
00:50:43Kenny Kramer.
00:50:44The first time I ever saw that movie, John Flansburg showed it to me in a hotel room in Austin.
00:50:50And then he did... Sounds like the beginning of a P. Diddy story.
00:50:54Yeah, that's right.
00:50:56And he drank all the wine out of it.
00:50:57Baby oil, baby oil, down, down, down.
00:51:01He did Capote and Philip Seymour.
00:51:03I love Capote.
00:51:05That's a good Capote.
00:51:06And then like six years later, he did Moneyball.
00:51:10Three years after that, he did Foxcatcher.
00:51:13Oh, I like that movie, too.
00:51:16Steve Carell was also in the big short.
00:51:18Yeah, he's living in an aircraft carrier now.
00:51:20No shit.
00:51:21And I was like, who is this guy, Bennett Miller?
00:51:24He's just a guy like you and me.
00:51:25He did four great movies and then disappeared off the face of the earth.
00:51:31And so I'm going through the credits of the movie, and I'm like, I got to know somebody on this movie.
00:51:35I got to know somebody.
00:51:36Some bit player, some writer, somebody didn't know a soul.
00:51:40Not a living soul.
00:51:43And that made me feel like it's an alternate universe situation.
00:51:48You might have aged out.
00:51:50I might be the Philip Seymour Hoffman in the story of...
00:51:55Which film?
00:51:56I bet you're the guy from Boogie Nights.
00:52:00I'm the guy from Boogie Nights.
00:52:02You know, Philip Seymour Hoffman is just like, he's basically your age.
00:52:06He was.
00:52:06He was in Synecdoche, New York, and that's all you need to know.
00:52:11I can tell you a lot of other great stuff.
00:52:13He was in because he's one of my favorite actors, but that's a movie I should watch five times No, that is you know I say the people I got that phrase I came up with I call it a gimme Hey, that's my that's a gimme like don't fucking argue with me about the Smiths like you got to just give me the Smiths like sorry I know you don't like it listener, but I do Synecdoche in New York is not for everybody but it is I said this on the internet to someone probably 18 hours ago and
00:52:37the synecdoche new york is so much my shit that it's hard for me to imagine that other people can even see it as in like i feel like it's a it's almost like a dream that only i can see because how many times so you watched it once probably
00:52:56i watched it when it came out and then i think i watched it one more time did you have a kid did you have a kid then no but it was at some point where somebody was explaining to me that i didn't understand oh i like that i like hearing that i know there's a scene at the beginning remember the scene at the beginning where there's all the stuff and it's all the chaos of getting ready you know in the morning and breakfast and they're watching the weird tv show with the lamb can i just point out one thing that might help enjoy increase people's enjoyment of the movie is it a backpack did i have to have noticed a backpack
00:53:24See, the backpack goes by so fast.
00:53:27I'm just telling you.
00:53:29Is it an Easter egg?
00:53:30We live in a twilight world.
00:53:31All I have for you is a word.
00:53:33No, here's the thing.
00:53:34At the beginning, and you see him flipping through the paper and it's really, really fast.
00:53:38You know what you probably didn't notice the first time that I want to, not you, but the listener, I want to encourage you to notice the next time you decide to just ruin your entire week and watch the Nick King New York.
00:53:47The date on the paper changes while he's reading it.
00:53:52How many timelines are there in this Dunkirk?
00:53:54It's not different timelines.
00:53:56Because, I mean, I think one of the things, obviously him staring at hundreds of index cards that, like, foreshortened into the distance was a big moment for me.
00:54:06But it's the moment of, I didn't, when did my daughter...
00:54:10go from being a little girl who's worried about blood in her poop to being um who's that actress we like uh from the from the from uh from the breakfast club and other ones no Molly Ringwald no the other one shit anyways becomes her daughter yeah should be but she becomes an artist and you're like wait a minute I don't want to sound like a cornball because only certain people will understand this but I don't understand how the bit that baby is now this
00:54:40Like, I understand, like, you can explain to me how a person grows on a linear scale and becomes an adult, but how did that happen?
00:54:50And one of the little clues, it's not a backpack or an akak, is that when he's looking at the paper, the date on the paper keeps getting later as he's reading it.
00:55:07indicating that time is passing in a way that is, and it's not done as like a montage.
00:55:15It's just one of those little Charlie Kaufman things that just shows you why Charlie Kaufman's brain is so special to me.
00:55:23Getting to write and direct that movie.
00:55:25PSH, sorry, I got off it.
00:55:26Synecdoche, New York.
00:55:28Diane Wiest is also great in that movie as is all those women that we liked in the 90s.
00:55:32They're all great in it, too Do you think that there is a world?
00:55:37Where you in a world in a where you where you would find yourself on an elevator with Charlie Kaufman
00:55:47No, I was on an elevator once with Philip Kaufman.
00:55:49Does that count?
00:55:52He's only 10 years older than us, Charlie Kaufman.
00:55:55Yeah, I mean, I bet he's really weird, but in the right situation, I bet I could chat with him.
00:56:00One time, my mother-in-law, whom I miss dearly, she's an old lady, and she had taken ill at a Giants game.
00:56:08And so they hustled our family into this little private elevator to take us to where the doctor person was, and I was standing right next to Philip Kaufman.
00:56:14The guy who wrote, the guy who directed the right stuff.
00:56:19Really?
00:56:19And I think I said something like elevators, am I right?
00:56:22And that's why you work for him to this day.
00:56:26Him and Philip Roth.
00:56:27I work for all of them.
00:56:29I have a phalanx of Jews running my life.
00:56:32Oh, don't we all?
00:56:34Oh, you really don't want to get me started on that.
00:56:38No, don't care for me again.
00:56:40I'm in a silly mood.
00:56:41Go ahead.
00:56:42It's a silly day.
00:56:44We're living in a silly time.
00:56:46These are silly times.
00:56:47Silly times call for silly measure.
00:56:50Yeah, measures.
00:56:52I don't know, man.
00:56:53So what do you think you're... So can we put a pin in it?
00:56:56Not your foot, but like, should we just see... Too late.
00:57:00We'll see where you are next week, but also will you just hit me up if you need anything, if you need me to search on any more.
00:57:06Oh, let me ask you this.
00:57:06As long as I've got my osteopath app open, are there any other questions that I could answer for you at this time?
00:57:10They call this the doorknob syndrome, which is not when your boobs get hard.
00:57:14That's called doorknobbing, which is a gerund.
00:57:17This is the thing where the phenomenon...
00:57:20Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo of a doctor leaving the room is when a person finally asks the thing that's really like important or important Oh as the doctors like okay on the doorknob right now.
00:57:31You can see I'm an osteopath.
00:57:32Yes, so you can see my acorns Excuse me, uh if you're gonna ask chatty G something find out why I'm so tired I'm so tired all the time Why is my friend John so tired?
00:57:49And I'm using O3 Mini, which is a model that claims to be fast at advanced reasoning.
00:57:57Do you want to hear?
00:57:58Yeah, let's hear.
00:57:59No, I've got to update my instructions, because in these new models, it gets cute.
00:58:03I'm not a doctor.
00:58:05Shut the fuck up.
00:58:07Okay, it's always five things with them.
00:58:09Here are the five things that Chatty G thinks you could be.
00:58:11I'm not a doctor, but here are a few common reasons.
00:58:14Someone might be tired all the time and doesn't mention you by name, so take that with a chance.
00:58:18Someone.
00:58:18I'm somebody.
00:58:20Sleep issues, stress or mental health, diet and hydration.
00:58:24Oh, fuck me.
00:58:25Medical conditions.
00:58:26Here we go.
00:58:27I think this is written by an osteopath.
00:58:30Sleep issues.
00:58:31Number one.
00:58:31Number two, stress or mental health.
00:58:34Three diet and hydration.
00:58:36Four medical conditions.
00:58:38What the fuck does that mean?
00:58:39Five medications.
00:58:41This is the thing.
00:58:42It's all of that just makes me want to just turn off the computer and stare out the window because there's no.
00:58:48How about the same results?
00:58:50Probably.
00:58:51I knew that.
00:58:51I have sleep issues.
00:58:52And I mean, sleep.
00:58:54Sleep's been going pretty good for me, except I got it.
00:58:57I got a numb foot.
00:58:59Does it wake up sometimes?
00:59:00No kidding.
00:59:02Is there a way you could leverage this?
00:59:04Could this either make you more successful or interesting to have a numfoot?
00:59:08Maybe the legend of Nunfoot... Nunfoot?
00:59:12Sounds like a New Zealand record label.
00:59:14No, the legend of Nunfoot ends up being about John Roderick.
00:59:18Maybe it's like the Dread Pirate Roberts.
00:59:20Maybe it's your turn to be the Nunfoot.
00:59:22So this is the thing I'm a little bit worried about.
00:59:24It was not that long... This is the doorknob.
00:59:26You saw my hand was on the doorknob.
00:59:27Now I find out the real problem.
00:59:28There was never a time, I don't think... I don't think there was ever a time when I was like a rakish...
00:59:36Rakishly handsome personality in the world right nobody's in type Yeah, nobody's ever subscribed or Tim to a thing that I do or bought a record that I made thinking like wow that guy's really like smooth
00:59:52It's always been some kind of like, well, he's a pile of dirty clothes.
00:59:57And he's funny.
00:59:59And, you know, like, he'll be weird.
01:00:02He's a bag of wet laundry.
01:00:04You know, this guy, he's going to get up on stage.
01:00:06He's going to knock something over.
01:00:08But that's funny.
01:00:08And he, like, pulls it off.
01:00:11But what I really do not want to be.
01:00:14is numfoot.
01:00:18Like, I don't want to... You don't want that to be your assignation?
01:00:22I don't want to be... You don't want to be the guy with the numfoot, is that it?
01:00:25Well, or just... Or any one of a hundred one of those things where instead of leaning into, oh, he's an elegant older man now who sometimes wears an ascot, and he has, you know, he wears a fedora sort of like Robert De Niro does in The Untouchables in his iconic role of...
01:00:42Edie Amin or whatever.
01:00:44He's got a funny flair.
01:00:46I think his name is Mark Untouchable.
01:00:48Yeah, I want to be, you know, I definitely want to age into being a guy with some flair.
01:00:54I don't want to age into a guy who's like numfoot.
01:00:57Who's got, oh, look out, here he comes.
01:01:01That's slightly at odds with your own sort of perception of who and how you are.
01:01:06Yeah, I don't want smoked salmon in my Santa beard.
01:01:10That's not the guy I want to be.
01:01:13That's not the guy I want to be.
01:01:17I want to be the guy who's got, you know, who's got like, who's wearing light green tinted sunglasses and is driving an Italian car.
01:01:25I mean, like, we don't have,
01:01:26a language for this as we speak but i think it might be useful honestly to think about this in terms of uh what character or actor role from an 80s movie you would be like would you be more like william atherton or would you be more like xander berkeley like you can have a conception of yourself as like i should mention also a couple weeks ago my kid and i were talking and i i said i was and this is what we call the xy problem right
01:01:51Where I asked for advice about X, but what I really want is a solution to Y. And I hope to think that I'm getting better at that.
01:01:57So what I was going to say was, hey, you know, I need a new Segway.
01:02:00My Segway's getting a little long in the tooth.
01:02:02The battery's all fucked up.
01:02:03It's become really annoying.
01:02:04And so I was searching for Segways.
01:02:06And I was like, I don't love all this.
01:02:07And finally, I turned to my kid and I said, you know what?
01:02:11I wonder what the coolest wheelchair is.
01:02:13And so I started Googling coolest and then fastest wheelchairs.
01:02:19And I have to be honest.
01:02:20Look, I'm not trying to talk you out of avoiding the numb foot lifestyle, but I am saying if you broaden your horizons a little, I'm not saying I'm going to buy a wheelchair this week.
01:02:30I'm not trying to steal valor, but I would love to, like, what I probably want is more like a tricked-out, like, pimp-my-ride style, like a bird scooter or a Cushman or something, maybe a meter-made vehicle.
01:02:45But I would love to be able to haul ass while seated, and I would never have gotten to that realization if I thought only about standing up on a hoverboard while people laugh at me.
01:02:54You know, life's like that.
01:02:55It really enhances some funny little zingers, don't it?
01:02:58Well, what's weird is I just put into the googs here distinguished older actors to see if there was one that I felt like I could model myself on.
01:03:10And of course, the most distinguished older actor is Morgan Freeman, but I don't think I'm going to ever have his gravity.
01:03:18I'm not a James Stewart type.
01:03:21I don't think Al Pacino or Robert De Niro are guys.
01:03:24Cary Grant, maybe?
01:03:25Well, Cary Grant, I would love, but that's the thing.
01:03:29Cary Grant is slick, and I was never slick.
01:03:32Yeah, but he also made the beast with two backs with Randolph Scott, so nothing wrong with that.
01:03:37You know, they were roommates.
01:03:39Right.
01:03:41I see.
01:03:42Ian McKellen.
01:03:43You know, like Michael Caine.
01:03:45I don't want to be those guys.
01:03:46I don't want to be James.
01:03:47We already have a Michael Caine.
01:03:48Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:03:50Robert Redford's too handsome.
01:03:52I mean, I'm like settling on Colin Firth, maybe.
01:03:55Of these actors.
01:03:56Colin Firth.
01:03:56He's really good in that Nazi movie conspiracy.
01:03:59He's great in that.
01:04:00I'm the closest to Colin Firth, I guess, is what I'm saying.
01:04:05I don't want to be John Voight.
01:04:06I don't want to be William Shatner.
01:04:08What's crazy is none of these distinguished older actors are anything like me at all.
01:04:15Well, let me just also toss something out here.
01:04:18It was a great one.
01:04:19Gretzky, who's reportedly said, you skate toward where the puck's going to be, not where it is.
01:04:23Can I also just encourage you to think... I think technically it was Michael Scott that said that, but let me just encourage you to think about this thought technology, which is instead of... And I'm not saying you're doing this, but just a thought technology.
01:04:33Instead of pinning up...
01:04:34One eight by ten glossy of George Clooney and saying that me like maybe think more about connecting the dots Between several different ones like for example, you could start out with something easy you can start out by saying oh Maybe I want to be let's say Adam Scott.
01:04:49That's a bad example.
01:04:50Oh John Turturro you can start out with something that's pretty manageable, but then remember you're gonna get super old and fucked up and
01:04:58So enjoy an easier get for now, but also be planning toward the future to where you eventually get like Swifty Lazar.
01:05:06The guy used to throw the Oscar parties, the bald guy with the giant Larry King glasses.
01:05:09Sure, sure, sure, with the giant glasses.
01:05:11I mean, giant glasses.
01:05:13I told Billy, you have three, you used to have anyway, three drugstore racks of eyeglasses frames.
01:05:20So I'm not saying that should be your only fake interesting thing about you.
01:05:25I think you add a cravat to that and a really tricked out wheelchair.
01:05:28And I think you've become a force for people to contend with.
01:05:32I'm just not sure.
01:05:34Nobody needs to know your foot's numb.
01:05:35Just you.
01:05:37But that's the thing.
01:05:37Then I'm not capitalizing on numb foot as a way of like, you know.
01:05:42Just another middle age guy in a fake wheelchair.
01:05:45Hey, fellow kids.
01:05:49Oh, would you have a Bluetooth speaker on it?
01:05:54It's in the way that she used it.
01:05:58I hear it, but I don't believe it.
01:06:05All right, I found the photo of him with the index cards.
01:06:07That's going to be show art.
01:06:09That was fucking funny.
01:06:10I'll send you the obituary for my lizard.

Ep. 569: "The Legend of Numb Foot"

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