Ep. 477: "Comedy Guitar"

Episode 477 • Released October 17, 2022 • Speakers not detected

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00:00:08Hello.
00:00:09Hi, John.
00:00:11Hi, Merlin.
00:00:12How's it going?
00:00:14Super duper.
00:00:17I am in deep.
00:00:20Are you on the internet?
00:00:22I'm so on the internet right now.
00:00:23I've been on the internet all weekend, and I had to share some things with you.
00:00:28Would you say you were V on the internet?
00:00:32I'm V online.
00:00:35Extremely online.
00:00:36Five texts ago, I said, I should save it for the show, but I am in the midst of a mighty... Send me five more texts.
00:00:46I love it.
00:00:48Pino Palladino.
00:00:50Pino Palladino.
00:00:52How do you waste Pino Palladino on that admittedly great song?
00:00:55But Pino Palladino on the Paul Young song, not a, I mean, it's a good blue eyed soul song of its type, but I think he was mainly Paul Young.
00:01:05Forgive me.
00:01:07I assume he's alive or the Paul Young estate.
00:01:09I'm sorry.
00:01:10I think he's a pretty boy a little bit.
00:01:12He's a little pretty.
00:01:13But Robin George, Robin George is a pretty boy too, but he had a PC rich ears.
00:01:18The thing, what we're talking about here.
00:01:19What we're talking about here.
00:01:21Oh, just to finish the thought, I should save it for the show.
00:01:24I says to John, I says, what happened was I should save it for the show comma, but I'm in the midst of an all caps mighty reappraisal of eighties songs and videos.
00:01:36You're doing a deep dive.
00:01:37It's, you know, it's not unlike my annual re-dive, if that's a word, into Sloan.
00:01:43Just in this case, I'm going, hmm.
00:01:45And I'm looking at a bunch of stuff and I'm calling it up and I'm defying God by doing that thing where I go, is this as good slash bad other as I remember?
00:01:56Mm-hmm.
00:01:57And I mean, there's a clear winner here, as I just said three texts ago.
00:02:00There's a clear winner to all of this.
00:02:01But just so you know where my head is at, that's why I'm watching the leadoff track from Robin George's 1985 album, Dangerous Music.
00:02:12Let me just walk you back.
00:02:15What precipitated it?
00:02:18What prompted this?
00:02:19There had to be an inciting incident, right?
00:02:21You were doing something.
00:02:22You heard a song.
00:02:23You thought of a thing.
00:02:24You were like, I'll go look at that.
00:02:26And then something caught fire.
00:02:28Right.
00:02:29What was it?
00:02:30It's a terrific question.
00:02:31Well, I mean, as you certainly know about me, it takes very little provocation to do something kind of like this.
00:02:39But I can almost guarantee you it's because YouTube mostly knows me.
00:02:44And I'll get stuff in my recos that'll pop up.
00:02:50But also, I do watch a lot of, I think I've previously tried to sell you on that English guy, Trash Theory, that does those amazing, you know.
00:02:58Oh, yeah.
00:02:59The guy who does, like, you know, how we got to Madchester.
00:03:03Or I said, oh, yeah, of course.
00:03:05I sent you that, like, 30-minute History of Power Pop, which I think is really outstanding.
00:03:09And it was probably from YouTube recommendations.
00:03:11But like, I hate to have my thumb on the scale here, John, but I kind of went into it knowing that the look of love part one by ABC is probably the greatest artifact of early MTV.
00:03:20It's the look.
00:03:21It's the look.
00:03:21It's the look of love.
00:03:22Sisters and brothers should help each other.
00:03:25You know, what's the look?
00:03:27If I don't know the answer to that question, if I knew I would tell you.
00:03:30In this case, a straw boater at a garden party.
00:03:32yeah current twitter bio me i go from one extreme to another me i go from one extreme to another martin fry man that guy had some hair that's what brought me into it probably it doesn't take a lot but then as a scientist uh you know uh like the minutemen said our band is scientist rock right no you're not a fan but i'm a scientist well i'm a i'm a scientist of rock
00:03:58And I, that's where I am right now.
00:04:03I really, John, I have to tell you something, bud.
00:04:05I really like music.
00:04:07Yeah, I know you do.
00:04:08You are a scientist of rock.
00:04:10I really like it a lot.
00:04:11I don't know if I'm a scientist.
00:04:12I think I'm an alchemist of rock or maybe a hobbyist of rock.
00:04:16I don't know.
00:04:16I really like it though.
00:04:17The thing is you did, I think about this a lot and we've talked about it and I think it's still true.
00:04:23You invested in an education.
00:04:26You gave yourself a self-education in a thing that at the time seemed to us like it would always be as valuable as it was then.
00:04:33John, it's Les Pauls all over again.
00:04:35It's Les Pauls all the way down.
00:04:36And so you are an absolute encyclopedic scientist of an era.
00:04:43Did I have to look up whether Pino Palladino played on Robin George's Dangerous Games?
00:04:48No, you did not.
00:04:48I did not.
00:04:49You were like, how did they get a BC rich bass player?
00:04:52A, and B, how did they get it in the hands of Pino Palladino?
00:04:56And then how did they turn it into an animated arrow that Robin George shoots?
00:05:00He shoots a BC Rich as an arrow.
00:05:02There's 50 years of American music history.
00:05:08Well, let's say Western music history that you have the three by five cards, Merlin.
00:05:15You've got the receipts.
00:05:17Do you hate that about me?
00:05:18Not at all.
00:05:19It's beautiful, but what I'm asking you, as the parent of a teen, does any of it have value today?
00:05:31Are you now a scientist of...
00:05:40Are you a scientist of a lost heart?
00:05:43Was that like a Grey's Anatomy sound of the heart monitor?
00:05:48Are you a scientist of phrenology now?
00:05:50Well, to steal from an album as recent as today's headlines by the Beths, I'm an expert in a dying field, like you and your Les Pauls.
00:05:58But I would say, John, if I'm being honest here, that I think my ardor for music and the role that music has had in my life, and, you know, it's...
00:06:08And I don't want to go over the top, and I certainly don't want you to write a mean article about how I'm bullshit, but it's a big part of my life and was at almost every point in my life a big part of who I am, like how I think about myself, right?
00:06:29that education and those index cards, or as you say, three by five cards, those cards are nothing but trouble for daddy right now.
00:06:38Because first of all, let's be honest, at night, my main thing, I like watching TV with my family, but I mean, as you know, well, you have your daughter's mother partners like this.
00:06:49I'm always like, what's that guy from?
00:06:50What's that guy from?
00:06:51Oh, yeah.
00:06:51Oh, look at that.
00:06:52The girl who's the new doctor on Grey's Anatomy also played Neff in
00:06:56in the Anna Delvey, Anna Delvey Foundation.
00:06:59She was the lady at the hotel in that, and that made me happy to... I'm always forever doing that.
00:07:05And when I try to make some interesting point about how this is like that, nothing.
00:07:10Now, okay, so first of all, and I'm willing, I'll do everything I can to help you avoid this thistle if I can, but here's the part that's funny, though.
00:07:18Totally independently, because of bullshit like TikTok, my kids' musical education is outstanding.
00:07:24It's not the...
00:07:25I mean, can we just as a generation... Well, maybe not you.
00:07:29I'm going to say as a generation, we need to let go of this whole getting mad at people for not liking something the way we did.
00:07:35But the kid's not going to sit and listen to a whole album of anything.
00:07:38You think I'm bad?
00:07:39The first 10 seconds of a song?
00:07:41This kid thinks they know the plot to everything.
00:07:44They know the song for everything.
00:07:46But with that said, I think I've...
00:07:50I can't say this publicly, but I think I've had an influence.
00:07:53My kid likes Weezer.
00:07:54Of course.
00:07:55My kid, of course, my kid's bananas about the Beths.
00:07:58I mean, all three of us are bananas about the Beths.
00:08:01But yeah, like pop stuff.
00:08:04But it really, I feel like it does get in the way because I've learned to try and keep my shit out of other people's shit.
00:08:13But it was just so important for me, for my kid to have good taste.
00:08:16I remember.
00:08:17I remember when they were very little and you were like, here's how... You must like Surfer Rosa.
00:08:23You had a playlist for them when they were a little child.
00:08:29Like a little child.
00:08:30You already had playlists.
00:08:32Well, and this affected... This is very related to... Andalusia!
00:08:37I don't know about you, but I am Unshin!
00:08:43Andalusia!
00:08:44I am Unshin!
00:08:45Oh, Spanish starts tomorrow.
00:08:48So that might come in handy.
00:08:49We're in quarter two now.
00:08:51That's exciting.
00:08:52My daughter, I just realized, has my brain and not her mother's because she loves the Harry Potter movies.
00:09:01And I sat her down and we watched Ocean's 8.
00:09:03I love Ocean's 8.
00:09:05I think it's an underrated movie.
00:09:06Heist film.
00:09:07Very fun.
00:09:08Very fun.
00:09:09And at the end of the movie, I said, did you recognize anybody in the movie?
00:09:13And she was like, what do you mean?
00:09:15And I said, well, for instance, did you recognize Bellatrix Lestrange?
00:09:21She was like, she was in this movie?
00:09:23Exactly.
00:09:23And I said, did you recognize Galadriel?
00:09:26And she was like, she was in that movie?
00:09:29And I said, or The Princess Bride?
00:09:31And she knew all these guys, you know, like Bellatrix Lestrange.
00:09:34She doesn't look – Helena Bonham Carter, you can't camouflage her.
00:09:38She looks the same.
00:09:39She's very distinctive.
00:09:40And my kid just – right over her head.
00:09:42She did not – she went right into the characters.
00:09:45Or as Frank Costanza says, the girl from the bus.
00:09:50You know, Sandra Bullock.
00:09:53I was watching a movie.
00:09:54I was watching a very interesting movie called The Net with that girl from the bus.
00:09:58Yeah, that's me.
00:09:59But I know that's me all the time.
00:10:01So your kids got your rotten brain of not putting the faces together.
00:10:07Right.
00:10:07Useless in terms of remembering actors.
00:10:09Meanwhile, her mother is over there like, that background actor wasn't, weren't they in an episode of Moonlighting?
00:10:18And I'm like, what?
00:10:20What the fuck?
00:10:20Well, and you get that with the older actors sometimes.
00:10:24Like, we're watching, we're currently in the midst of a big Better Call Saul run.
00:10:28I see.
00:10:29And I was like, the guy who plays Mike, who everybody loves, we also know him from Community.
00:10:34He has a really funny, weird bit on Community.
00:10:39I was like, you know, he used to be kind of a...
00:10:42I guess I always thought of that guy whose name escapes me at the moment, but that actor, I always thought of him as, he's always like a heavy and kind of an idiot.
00:10:49And I was like, I was like, I'm pretty sure he was in Beverly Hills Cop.
00:10:53And of course I pull up a photo and he looks, it's Mike, but you know, 40 years younger.
00:11:00And like that, that, that draws no water.
00:11:02For anybody in the house.
00:11:03Or I'll give you another Harry Potter that took me a while to get.
00:11:07I don't know if you watched the Game of Thrones series, the OG.
00:11:11But the wildling girl who's not precisely enslaved, you know who she is?
00:11:17Yes, I do.
00:11:18Oh, wait, wait, wait.
00:11:19No, no.
00:11:19I did.
00:11:20I went down this road.
00:11:21She's not a major character, but she's in two or three of the movies at least.
00:11:25Right.
00:11:26And it's Annie DeFranco.
00:11:29Nymphadora Tonks.
00:11:31Nymphadora Tonks, right.
00:11:32And what are the other movies?
00:11:33Because I think I did look this up.
00:11:35Oh, well, she, so the girl who can change herself makes animal faces and stuff?
00:11:38Yeah, animal faces.
00:11:39I think it's poor Professor Lupin's girlfriend.
00:11:42Poor Professor Lupin's having a really rough look.
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00:13:12That's a great line reading, Daniel.
00:13:14You know, full points.
00:13:16I love that movie.
00:13:18Anyway, New Fedora Tonks is also whatever the name of that wildling girl is.
00:13:22The one who calls him Little Lord, which is why I call my kid Little Lord now.
00:13:27Little Lord.
00:13:28When you started hitting me this morning with- Sorry about that.
00:13:32No, no, no.
00:13:32With some heavy duty like one, two, three punches, Paul Young videos and so forth.
00:13:36Scrolling back, scrolling back.
00:13:38Okay, how did this start?
00:13:39Oh, it started with me saying you should get a BC Rich earring.
00:13:45And John, for our listeners who maybe are not people who craved guitars in the 80s, could you please give just a real quick and dirty on what a BC Rich guitar is and what's distinctive about it?
00:13:55Well, you know, there were a lot of innovative... If you want to mention Paul Cantner, it's totally okay.
00:14:02This is a safe space.
00:14:03A lot of innovative guitar designs...
00:14:07that started to come out after
00:14:11The 1960s, right?
00:14:13You get the Flying V. You get the Explorer.
00:14:16Fender's having fun with the, God, still so gorgeous, classic kind of Mustang look.
00:14:20But you start getting slightly wackadoo.
00:14:22At some point, you get to what's called the Steinberger bass.
00:14:24You start getting these very unusual designs.
00:14:27Yes, that's right.
00:14:28And it was a time when it felt understandably like the Telecaster and Les Paul were old.
00:14:35They were mid-century modern guitars.
00:14:39It was before we realized that they were the rare examples of things that were perfect from the inception.
00:14:46The Telecaster is so brilliant because Les Paul wanted to come up with a guitar where you could detach the neck so you could put it in the trunk of a car.
00:14:55Leo Fender.
00:14:56What did I say?
00:14:57You said Les Paul.
00:14:59Oh, sorry.
00:15:00I'm sorry.
00:15:01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:15:02So it was Leo Fender.
00:15:03And that was, it was a bolt, like a screw on neck instead of a, you know, a built in neck, which at the time was like, wait, you can't do that.
00:15:10What are you doing?
00:15:11You can't do any of these things.
00:15:13The body's made out of a slab of wood.
00:15:15The neck's made out of slab of wood.
00:15:17No Floyd Rose.
00:15:18You're going to have to retune that thing real good.
00:15:20It was the first guitar and you can still, it's still, everyone has one.
00:15:25It's still,
00:15:25We didn't need any other ones.
00:15:27It's the weirdest thing.
00:15:28It's like the, it's like the 1972.
00:15:30All the sounds we needed were done.
00:15:33We had all the sounds that we needed.
00:15:35The 1972 Ford F two 50, nothing there did not need to be a, a subsequent pickup truck, right?
00:15:41That was the perfect pickup truck.
00:15:43They could still be making them today.
00:15:45And you know, what, what does a new one have airbags?
00:15:48Come on.
00:15:49Who needs that?
00:15:50Anyway, 1970s, BC Rich is a company, and I swear, I'm sure they're from California or somewhere else, but almost certainly Orange County, California, and they made a guitar that looked like the devil's hands, you know, like devil horns.
00:16:06It was like if you took a stodgy old, like an ES...
00:16:11What's an ES?
00:16:13Like an ES3?
00:16:14You take a classic double cutaway Gibson idea, right?
00:16:17Where it's still very curvy and like... I would say it started with an SG and then you just... Exaggerate all of that.
00:16:25You make it look more and more like something from Mordor.
00:16:30It had four points.
00:16:31Yeah, a lot of points.
00:16:32And so one of them was called the Mockingbird, but the one that we really cared about was the BC rich bitch.
00:16:39The bitch.
00:16:40The rich bitch.
00:16:41the rich bitch it didn't have a t in it though it was bitch b-i-c-h bitch and uh and then apparently they were really well made so then all of it wasn't like just a comedy guitar it became it became a thing that like metal dudes actually played but then in the 80s when things got very confusing for people am i metal am i pop and
00:17:06Am I pop metal?
00:17:07There are keyboards on this track.
00:17:09Remembering now that if memory serves a BC rich was around a grand.
00:17:13So this is not, this is not like buying harmonicas.
00:17:15Like you're pretty committed.
00:17:17If you want, like, if you're going to, if you get a, if you're really into like Brian Seltzer type stuff and you get a Gretsch, you're good to go.
00:17:23If you really like John Jett, you might get a melody maker.
00:17:26Right.
00:17:26But you're sort of committed to,
00:17:28When you commit to that guitar, if you get an SG, you're Angus Young, right?
00:17:33Or Pete Townsend at a certain time.
00:17:34You know what I'm saying, though?
00:17:35Like, you're committed, almost committed to the kind of genre you play, because if you show up at the New Wave bar, you know, playing the wrong guitar, like, it's going to seem weird.
00:17:45Or metal.
00:17:46Like, if you're a metal guy and you come out and play a Telecaster, what are you, Merle Haggard?
00:17:49Yeah, it was weird, although, you know, then you see, I mean, the Telecaster is so flexible, like John 5 from Marilyn Manson played a Telecaster.
00:17:59And Townsend played a kind of Telecaster.
00:18:01I mean, he played Schechter.
00:18:04I think his was pretty souped up and probably had some double coil action going.
00:18:08It was the wonderful thing about indie rock that the Jazzmaster, which Fender had designed for jazz players, and jazz players completely rejected it.
00:18:18Um, and it just kind of sat there as a surf rock guitar for a long time, but Jay masses.
00:18:25And then all of the, and the, and Sonic youth.
00:18:28started playing the Jazzmaster, and I guess that's from television, right?
00:18:32I mean, they... That sounds like Tom Verlaine or Richard Lloyd, right?
00:18:38Yeah, I think of a Telecaster, that kind of Telecaster sound.
00:18:42Well, there's also that thin, the tele, at least usually, stock tele, has fewer windings, it's not as loud, it's got a twang to it usually, and obviously you can distort it and stuff like that.
00:18:52But yeah, that was... You cannot distort it.
00:18:56I have this wonderful, wonderful,
00:18:581968 Telecaster that I traded some bullshit for.
00:19:02It had a built in Bigsby and I loved it.
00:19:06It was this beautiful thing.
00:19:07And I, and I was in the Western state hurricanes at the time and I brought it into the practice space.
00:19:14this gorgeous, you know, it was maybe the first, I had owned a 68 335 that I bought for 500 bucks in the eighties and it had gotten stolen and I was super bummed.
00:19:26And then this guitar came into my life and I was like, this is it.
00:19:30You know, I finally got like a truly vintage, beautiful thing and I plugged it into my rig and
00:19:37which at the time was a Trainer YBA-1.
00:19:42I don't know what that is.
00:19:44Is that like a rehearsal amp?
00:19:45No, no, it's a giant Canadian bass head that weighs 80 pounds and 100,000 watts on top of a Carvin 412 cabinet.
00:19:58Oh, wow.
00:19:59That's rustic.
00:20:02That's a very rustic look.
00:20:03It was hot.
00:20:05I plugged this Telecaster into it, and it just went, ah!
00:20:09And I couldn't, there was no amount of EQing.
00:20:13Three windings were full open.
00:20:16And then I would play a chord.
00:20:19No palm muted for you.
00:20:22And so I played it for like two weeks.
00:20:24And it was just, it was completely out of control.
00:20:28Like somebody was spinning donuts on a motorcycle.
00:20:32And eventually I had to trade it back.
00:20:34And now I went into the guitar shop.
00:20:37Uh, not very long ago when I was talking to the owner and I was like, oh yeah, I remember when I traded that 68 Tele for that, whatever that other thing.
00:20:44And he was like, oh yeah, well the guitar you traded it for, you know,
00:20:48which you still have is worth $5,000.
00:20:50And I was like, yeah, I mean, some prices gone up.
00:20:52He was like, that telly is worth about $30,000.
00:20:54And I was like, ah, because I'm the big, this was the Bigsby.
00:21:00We're talking about Bigsby tremolo, right?
00:21:02Is that stock?
00:21:03It was.
00:21:04And it also had a bound body.
00:21:07So it was, it was double bound.
00:21:09It was a, it was made for the, it was made during that Chet Atkins, Bakersfield, binka, binka, binka.
00:21:15Yeah, sure.
00:21:17And I was just like, right, in 1998, the difference between a $600 guitar and a $700 guitar was just like, oh, durr.
00:21:26And now it's like, no, this one's $5,000 and that's $35,000.
00:21:29I'm not trying to help anybody here.
00:21:31But also, it was not until you think about the post-CBS Fenders when they started doing the Squire and stuff like that.
00:21:39But the truth is, if you got a name brand –
00:21:43Mostly a Gibson or a Fender, but there were others.
00:21:45But, you know, but I mean, like, what was the cheap guitar?
00:21:47Like a Sears guitar or maybe kind of a Dan Electro?
00:21:51Yeah, Dan Electro.
00:21:51But like there was not.
00:21:53All those Japanese guitars.
00:21:55All those, you know, the Greco.
00:21:56But if you could, it was like having a PV amp.
00:21:58I mean, it was like, if you wanted to really feel like you'd arrived, these name brand guitars were really costly, even at the time.
00:22:05But all I'm trying to say is like, unless you got a, what was the Sears one?
00:22:09Silvertone.
00:22:09Like, unless you got like a really inexpensive Japanese guitar, I mean, there was, there was not a lot in the middle.
00:22:16There was not, like, for example, that Epiphone I bought in the 90s and still have, I think it's, you know, Gibson knockoff, obviously, by the, you know, Epiphone's part of Gibson.
00:22:27But anyway, I think it was like, it was less than $300 out the door.
00:22:32Like, that was, you couldn't, you were not, I mean, a Strat, when I was in high school, I think a Strat was like 800 bucks.
00:22:37800 bucks.
00:22:39New, new, yeah.
00:22:40Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:22:42Well, so,
00:22:43The reason that your text thread kind of hit me in a way that I could reply with my own little video, like one-two punch, was because I went to see Elton John last night.
00:23:00You blew my mind, you piece of shit.
00:23:02I went to see Elton John.
00:23:03You're shitting me.
00:23:05I took all the ladies.
00:23:07It was one of these things where it was his last tour ever.
00:23:10Oh, I love that guy.
00:23:12And the shows got announced back in the spring and I was not going to shows then, but I anticipated a time when I would go to shows and
00:23:22And, and I knew the promoter.
00:23:24So I called the promoter and I was like, Hey, you know, Elton John tickets.
00:23:28And they were like, ah, this is one of those.
00:23:30This is one of those.
00:23:31This is one of those.
00:23:33There's no, like one of those show box shows where what's your house name at, uh, Chad, like, no, sorry.
00:23:38I can't do it for this one.
00:23:40No friends, no, no discounts, no friends, no family.
00:23:44And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:45I know.
00:23:46I know.
00:23:46I know.
00:23:46But come on, come on, come on.
00:23:48Call me closer.
00:23:49Tiny dancer.
00:23:50And, you know, and I went online and looked and it was, and all the tickets all get sold immediately to American express or whatever.
00:23:58And then they're on the resale market and they're all $900.
00:24:01I'm like, look, I'm not gonna pay $900.
00:24:03I want to take my mom.
00:24:05I want to take all the girls.
00:24:08And so, so I, you know, this way, that way, this way.
00:24:11And I get into this system where it's like, okay, you send an email to this person.
00:24:18This person's going to reply to you with an email that doesn't make any sense.
00:24:24You just reply to them, and then you'll be in the pipeline for the special tickets that something, something, something.
00:24:32You'll still have to pay money.
00:24:33This really sounds like a jam up already.
00:24:35Yeah, and I was like, okay, fine.
00:24:36And so I sent an email to a person.
00:24:39I got a cryptic answer back.
00:24:41I wrote them what I was told to say, and then months went by.
00:24:48and i just had faith you know had faith and then then about two months ago i got a email that said uh elton john and then a series of letters and numbers and you know and dates mysterious dates and runes and i was like okay yes and then a month went by and then they said okay we're processing you know because i'd given them my credit card we're processing your credit card and
00:25:16they processed it to the tune of some serious dollars.
00:25:21But, but was it with, was, so just, I'm sorry.
00:25:24So was this something like, were you bidding or how, how did you, so you, did you know how much it was going to be costing?
00:25:31Oh shit.
00:25:33Did you set a limit?
00:25:35Oh God.
00:25:35What happened was, what had happened was there is some, of course, some promoters, promoters, promoters list.
00:25:45And, and,
00:25:45There is some way, some wiggle way.
00:25:48And, but once you enter into that dark cavern, once you begin that adventure with that dungeon master.
00:25:58You have no say anymore.
00:26:00Oh, you're in, you're like, you're like after, um, after Anakin kills the younglings, like now you're committed.
00:26:07And, and the thing is the emails are coming from like an anonymous account.
00:26:10I'm not even, I can't even email somebody and go like, Hey, Brenda about that.
00:26:14You know, it's just like, it's like really, and also because I called in some favors to get this.
00:26:23There's, I can't go back to my friends and be like, Hey, what the fuck is going on with this?
00:26:27Because they're going to be like, Hey, I, you know, you asked and I washed my hands of it.
00:26:33Right.
00:26:33There was no, now I'm in the middle somewhere where there's no appeal.
00:26:39And then this charge goes up on my credit card.
00:26:41That's like, Oh, that's more than I paid for my first car, but okay.
00:26:46And then nothing, silence, silence.
00:26:52And about like eight days ago, boom, in my inbox, like here's five tickets to Elton John.
00:27:00You know, they're like, you didn't hear it from me.
00:27:03They're boom right here.
00:27:04You're going to get covered with confetti at the end.
00:27:07So be ready for that.
00:27:07It's going to get right here in Elton splash.
00:27:10And it's like, exactly.
00:27:12Bring a tarp.
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00:29:34So we go.
00:29:36And, you know, my mom couldn't go.
00:29:38She tripped.
00:29:40She hurt her legs.
00:29:41So I ended up giving the ticket to a gal who's really close to my sister and to my daughter's mother.
00:29:49So it's five of you?
00:29:51They are all of them dressed to the nines wearing their sparkles.
00:29:55And then you get in there and you realize –
00:29:59Average age 50, a lot of 60 and 70 year olds.
00:30:03Average age.
00:30:05And everyone is wearing sequins and feathers.
00:30:11It's like a dress up party.
00:30:14And it was, and it's phenomenal.
00:30:16You know, they're, it's wonderful to see everybody in sequins and feathers.
00:30:21My daughter at one point people were walking by and she said that leather police hat.
00:30:26Is that, why is that a thing?
00:30:29Oh, don't worry, honey.
00:30:31We'll talk about it later.
00:30:32He's a leather policeman.
00:30:34I said, well, the leather police hat.
00:30:35He's a leather bobby.
00:30:37You know, it's very, police are very, you know, like boyish, right?
00:30:44And she was like, yeah.
00:30:45And I said, and if you're gay, what do you like?
00:30:49Do you like a boy?
00:30:51I mean, maybe if you do.
00:30:54And so, but she's like, but that one's pink and has sparkles.
00:30:56And I was like, exactly.
00:30:58Right.
00:30:58So it's a little bit of a, and she, her mind is just spinning like police hat.
00:31:02You know, good response to something like that is just to say, you know what?
00:31:06Everybody likes a different flower.
00:31:08Everybody likes a different, there were a lot of flowers.
00:31:10So many different flowers.
00:31:12So he comes out.
00:31:13He's Sir Elton.
00:31:15He's 75 years old.
00:31:16You know, he's like a, he's very cute.
00:31:19He's, he, he's has a snap on to pay.
00:31:23Oh yeah.
00:31:25Um, and you can tell he's, he's, he's old.
00:31:28He, he has a hard time moving around.
00:31:30Uh, you know, when he walks, he kind of walks, walks like Churchill.
00:31:34And it's a... Hey, John, John, John, he's not a present for your friends to open.
00:31:40No, he's not.
00:31:42But he... And a big set like that, my God, it's exhausting, you know, and you can tell he's tired.
00:31:49It's just tiring.
00:31:50They make it look easy, but like with all the... There must be so many cues and different things to be thinking about.
00:31:55Well, and like when you see those big legacy acts, you realize...
00:32:01They're not, there's no computers, you know, they're just out there rocking.
00:32:05When I saw Queen with, uh, with, um, Adam Lambert.
00:32:10I talked to some tech people after the show, and I was like, I mean, you know, they've got two drum kits, one of them on the other side of the stadium.
00:32:18I mean, how many different click tracks are they listening to?
00:32:21And my friend was like, there's no click.
00:32:24They're just playing.
00:32:25How do they synchronize lights and stuff?
00:32:27Old school?
00:32:27They just look at each other, and the lighting guy is also 70 years old, and he's out there like...
00:32:33With a cigarette hanging out of the side of his mouth like, all right, here comes the solo.
00:32:37Now you can tell if he goes like this, he's going to go like that.
00:32:39These are my original heat-proof gloves.
00:32:42It was incredible.
00:32:43I bet.
00:32:44And so Elton, they were playing pretty free.
00:32:49They would jam a little bit.
00:32:51They had some jammy parts.
00:32:54But you're going to see Elton John, right?
00:32:56And so you expect, I go in preloaded to be like, this is emotional.
00:33:03Is it especially owing to the notion that this might be his last tour?
00:33:10Well, not that as much as just like, I've never seen Elton John.
00:33:13Right.
00:33:13And in my life, in your and my life, there were precious few years in the very early days where there was no Elton John.
00:33:21And since then...
00:33:23It's been all Elton John all the time.
00:33:26He had sort of a, I mean, I think probably at the height of some of his substance stuff, he had kind of a spotty period after, say, don't go breaking my heart up till now.
00:33:36Obviously, I'm still standing.
00:33:37I think he had a pretty rough patch.
00:33:38And then in the late 80s, there was another time when it wasn't happening.
00:33:41But there's probably a whole generation that just knows him from Lion King, even.
00:33:44Well, that's the thing, right?
00:33:45He's got Oscar after Oscar for the 10 Disney movies he made.
00:33:49But if you think about our childhood...
00:33:52We, Elton John had seven number one albums in a row.
00:33:57And some of those records.
00:33:59And broad appeal, real broad appeal.
00:34:01And some of them had three or four singles.
00:34:03And so you and I, five years old, toddling around.
00:34:06Mm-hmm.
00:34:07Elton John's coming out of every AM radio in every car that's driving by.
00:34:11I mean, we just know that music to the depths of our core.
00:34:16Mm-hmm.
00:34:17And then all the thousands and thousands of times you've heard Rocketman since 1999.
00:34:27So I was preloaded to be like, oh man, I'm going to, this is going to be emotional because
00:34:31because I've been to concerts before and I'm affected by them in, in, in similar, but different ways to the way you are affected by music.
00:34:39Right.
00:34:39Of course.
00:34:40Of course.
00:34:40Uh, it lands in a certain way and it is, it, it, uh, it brings it all up for me.
00:34:47Right.
00:34:47And I can be, I, I've told you the story, right.
00:34:50Where Sean Nelson and I got asked to open for, they might be giants.
00:34:55And it was before I'd,
00:34:56I mean, this was when we met them.
00:34:58And you came out to the show.
00:35:00I was there.
00:35:00I was at Great American.
00:35:04And we were headed down.
00:35:05Do you remember that?
00:35:06Sean and I took the Amtrak down.
00:35:08Is that when you had the convertible?
00:35:10Yeah, we rented the convertible.
00:35:11I remember that.
00:35:12Yeah, we took the Amtrak down.
00:35:14At one point, Sean said, after we left San Francisco, we were down driving through Lodi.
00:35:20And Sean was like, pull over.
00:35:22Let's get our hair washed.
00:35:24Pull over here.
00:35:25Let's get our hair washed.
00:35:26And we drove into Lodi and found a nail salon.
00:35:30Get our hair washed.
00:35:31That stuck out in Lodi again, getting my hair washed.
00:35:33And I was like, what are we doing?
00:35:34And he was like, trust me.
00:35:36And we went into this hair salon, nail salon.
00:35:40They were never seen again.
00:35:42In Lodi, California.
00:35:44And I was just looking around like, what is happening?
00:35:46And we walked in and he was like, we'd like two hair washes, please.
00:35:50And then the nail salon ladies were like, sure, come on in.
00:35:54And they did the whole, like, wash your hair thing that they do before they give you a haircut.
00:36:01Right.
00:36:01But it was just that.
00:36:03So I remember when I very first heard about a place where you can just go mostly just get your hair blow dried.
00:36:10You're telling me it's not unusual to walk in and be very specific.
00:36:13To me, that would be like walking in and asking for a manicure of one nail.
00:36:16Yeah, they didn't bat an eye at it.
00:36:18That's amazing.
00:36:19And I guess there are people...
00:36:20There are people that walk around and they just go into hair salons and like, could you just wash my hair?
00:36:24And it's like, sure.
00:36:25You know, 15 bucks.
00:36:26That sounds so relaxing to me.
00:36:28It was great.
00:36:29But anyway, as we're going to meet They Might Be Giants for the first time, I had not thought about They Might Be Giants since college, really.
00:36:37Mm-hmm.
00:36:38And so I was like, oh man, these, they might be giant shows.
00:36:41These are going to be a laugh riot.
00:36:43You know, these guys are, have you met Marty?
00:36:45These guys are a clown act.
00:36:47Their drummer is so rock and roll, but it's going to be just like, ah, this is like, ah, this is like a weird owl.
00:36:56And Sean was like,
00:36:57They Might Be Giants are geniuses, and their music is genius.
00:37:01But that's coming.
00:37:03Hey, Sean, I love you, bud.
00:37:04But that's the kind of thing Sean might say.
00:37:06He might say that about Robin George with the album Dangerous Music.
00:37:10He's a fan, like me.
00:37:12He was sitting in the seat next to me dressed like Pagliacci.
00:37:14So, yeah, he was just like, you know.
00:37:17But, Doctor, I am Sean Nelson.
00:37:20They're amazing.
00:37:21They're amazing.
00:37:22And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're amazing.
00:37:24They're amazing.
00:37:25And so we pull in and we're sitting there at the Great American and they set up and start doing their sound check.
00:37:33And they, you know, they're pulling out one hit after another.
00:37:37And I realize I know the words to every one of their songs.
00:37:40And I get so emotional and tears are streaming down my face.
00:37:45And Sean is walking around.
00:37:47I'm sitting there.
00:37:47I'm hiding behind a column because I'm so embarrassed.
00:37:50that i'm like you know you're like you're like nelson months i didn't think they were gonna do anna ang and then bang they did what's happening to me i don't even know what the song is called but why do i know every note of it and he walks by please pass the please i wasn't crying at that but come on but he comes and he looks at me and he's like oh clown act huh and i was like oh
00:38:14who's the captain now but so i go to elton john i'm thinking oh you know i'm gonna get emotional i just don't know where it's gonna come i don't and i and i'm not looking forward to it you know like this is not what i'm here for i'm here because because of your kid or just because no no just because you know that kind of emotion like i you know i say all the time like when was the last time i cried when was the last time you cried i mean you do cry
00:38:36I cry, yeah.
00:38:37But, you know, I don't normally cry.
00:38:39Things get, the pressure gets on.
00:38:41It doesn't get older.
00:38:42Like, for example, my brother-in-law, my wife's brother, he doesn't cry.
00:38:48Well, I mean, he does cry at funerals, but he really cries when the Patriots lose.
00:38:55See, I celebrate when the Patriots lose.
00:38:57He ugly cries when the socks lose.
00:39:00The only time I cry is to music.
00:39:03And generally that's fast.
00:39:06It's a fast, fast, fast trip to a quick cry for sure.
00:39:09And, and it, and it usually happens in, in when I'm alone, like quietly, like I'll go, I'll put something on and, and it's a thing that, and it, you know, sometimes really set me off, you know, like.
00:39:20Well, and that's, but John, here's the thing one realizes about crying.
00:39:22It's one thing to like cry earlier in life.
00:39:25And people, I've heard it said that crying is what happens when you've given up in some ways.
00:39:29And not just giving up on keeping your composure, but where you're kind of at, you know, at sixes and sevens.
00:39:35And the thing is, as you get older, this is such, sounds like I'm not making a good point, but I think it is a good point.
00:39:41You don't know what's going to make you cry.
00:39:43And that's the point.
00:39:44So, you know what I'm saying?
00:39:46The fact that you can't see it coming a lot of times is what makes the crying so abrupt, and you're so emotionally involved in it in a way you never could have anticipated.
00:39:58Yeah, right.
00:39:59It is precisely the sneak-upitude of it.
00:40:03Yep, yep, yep.
00:40:04And so, you know, and we're watching Elton, and he puts Rocketman in there pretty early in the set, and...
00:40:12And, you know, and I feel a lot of emotion about it and I'm thinking about its place in history and in my life and this moment, his last show in Washington.
00:40:21And you're there with your kid?
00:40:23And my daughter loves it and knows every word and she's jumping up and down.
00:40:27But I feel, you know, I feel appropriately misty about it.
00:40:33But nothing, you know, I'm not, I have not lost any grip, right?
00:40:38I'm just like, the rocket man.
00:40:42And then a few songs go by and they launch into Philadelphia Freedom.
00:40:50That's the one?
00:40:52That's so fun.
00:40:53It came out of left field for me, Philadelphia Freedom, because I hadn't heard it in a long time.
00:41:03It used to be a rolling stone, you know.
00:41:06You know.
00:41:08And Philadelphia Freedom was a song that
00:41:13I remember very distinctly dancing to in my room in 1975, right.
00:41:21Or 1977, whatever that was, you know, it was, it was right around the bicentennial.
00:41:29And it was just, it was the hit of the summer or whatever.
00:41:32And I remember it so clearly and I, and I knew every word and I, and it's a, it's a great dance tune.
00:41:39And so I'm dancing and then all of a sudden I just get hit with that wall of like memory of what it felt like in the
00:41:52in the seventies to be a kid at the time and the hope that we had for the future.
00:41:56And we knew that we were going to have jet packs and we knew that, you know, you didn't know what you didn't know and the things you thought you knew about the future.
00:42:05It's like, and then there's that, what I just call the toy story problem, which is the way you can watch toy story over the years and experience it on so many different levels.
00:42:12And sorry, once you're a parent, it's really, it's really overwhelming to realize like, Oh,
00:42:18All the parents in your family used to be kids.
00:42:21And there's something that sounds so deeply biologically obvious.
00:42:26And yet when it does land on you, you're like, oh, this is how my dad felt.
00:42:32Or this is how his dad felt or whomever.
00:42:35And I find it hard to gauge.
00:42:37Don't know when it's coming.
00:42:39And then when it hits, it really hits.
00:42:41It's why I cried during that one episode of Doctor Who.
00:42:43The biggest crier in my life is this one episode of Doctor Who where there's three different versions of Doctor Good.
00:42:48I know this is corny and you're allowed to make fun of me, but there's something so poignant about meeting a version of yourself who knows and doesn't know certain things.
00:42:57And there's one version of the doctor who basically had to destroy his own planet and kill all these kids.
00:43:05And the other doctor, like, can't remember it.
00:43:07But there's just something about that when you think about it.
00:43:09And that's one reason also why time travel is so poignant to me.
00:43:12Time travel is lonely, as John Van der Slye says.
00:43:14But you know what I'm saying?
00:43:15You don't know where it's coming from, but it's things that force you.
00:43:18This is like a very dry intellectual way to put this deeply emotional issue.
00:43:23But when you're forced to confront two seemingly incompatible matrices that both have an emotional valence, boy, there's going to be a good cry coming.
00:43:33Well, and that was that, that was, I just saw a Ryan Reynolds movie where he meets his younger self and it really failed to do the thing that you're talking about.
00:43:44Like I was so primed to.
00:43:47I thought the kid was a good actor though.
00:43:49The kid was a good actor and the, and Ryan Reynolds is funny and it's fun.
00:43:51It was fun.
00:43:52It was a fun movie.
00:43:53I like when he threatens the, threatens the bully.
00:43:54I thought that was funny.
00:43:55Yeah, that was good, but you know, they played it, they played it for laughs or Ryan Reynolds is being like snarky.
00:44:01And it's like, dude, you're meeting your young, your, your 10 year old self.
00:44:04And all you can do is like, Hey kid, get out, get out of my light.
00:44:07You're blocking my, you know, I was just like, wow, weird.
00:44:11Anyway, Philadelphia freedom.
00:44:12I had a great time.
00:44:14I cried, but they were kind of tears of joy and longing, you know, a little bit of that.
00:44:19I think about it a lot.
00:44:20How much the jet age was still in effect when we were little.
00:44:24and how much we still 2001 a space odyssey still seemed like like real there was there wasn't a space shuttle yet there were still people walking on the moon it was and then and elton john's music and and and david bowie's music was was accompanying it in a weird way yeah so so then i'm fine then i've had my little you know cry then we're back to dancing then you know the then there's some ballads and whatnot
00:44:54And then out of no place, I guess it's not out of no place.
00:44:59It's just in his set.
00:45:00He starts to play Someone Save My Life Tonight.
00:45:03Oh, it's such a good song.
00:45:04Which I didn't realize was a song that apparently means the world to me.
00:45:13And hearing it, it's not playing on the radio in your car in the way you've heard.
00:45:19Like, you're there.
00:45:20It's happening.
00:45:21I'm vice president of the really obvious.
00:45:23But you're there.
00:45:24It's happening around you.
00:45:26Can I just underscore again?
00:45:27Your fucking family is standing there with you.
00:45:29Your family, like you and your sister was probably too young to like any of those songs.
00:45:34Well, in the way that you did at the time.
00:45:37And now you're all doing this together.
00:45:38And then, so what did you...
00:45:41It never occurred to you that this was a big one for you.
00:45:44And so, and I had done the, I'd done the honorable thing as we walked into the, to our row of seats, you know, every it's, it's a thing in a group of people like this, who is sitting next to who, and it's not like a cool thing.
00:45:57It's like, everybody kind of want to sit, wants to sit next to the little girl.
00:46:02but they also have a lot of stuff to say to each other, but everybody kind of wants to talk to me too a little bit.
00:46:08And I said, here, I'll sit at the end.
00:46:09You guys sit close to this, closer to the stage than me.
00:46:13And I will sit here at the, not, not at the aisle, but I'll sit, sit at the end of our little group.
00:46:19And so, and anyway, they're all facing the stage, looking away from me.
00:46:22I'm at the back, in other words.
00:46:25And, um,
00:46:27And then it just, someone saved my life tonight.
00:46:30And you know, that song's got a gut.
00:46:32There's a lot of information in it, but also I remember distinctly getting very emotional to that song 20, 30 years ago.
00:46:44And I was, and I, and I, and I had super interesting.
00:46:49I'd forgotten about, you know, because it's a, it's a song of desperation.
00:46:52It's a song of being like, I'm at my wits end.
00:46:55And then someone, some, someone, a sugar bear.
00:46:59Comes in and saves your life.
00:47:04And butterflies are free to fly.
00:47:06How does it start?
00:47:09It's the, you know, like a lot of.
00:47:12Boy, the piano part on that is so pretty in my head.
00:47:15Well, then that's the other thing about Elton John.
00:47:17every song sounds the same when he starts it, you know, it's his distinctive, it's his distinctive chords.
00:47:25He tinkles them out.
00:47:26You're like, Oh, well, which one is this?
00:47:28I kind of remember it.
00:47:29And then quarter notes.
00:47:30It's something about East end lights at the start.
00:47:33You know, he's talking about his, his light or it's early life.
00:47:36Oh, she, she packed my bags and I pre-flight.
00:47:38No, that's rocket man.
00:47:42And, and, uh, yeah.
00:47:44And then, then I was just like, so you're sitting on the end and I'm just sobbing, just sobbing, tears streaming down my face and I'm singing, you know, I'm also singing at the top of my lungs.
00:47:53You don't seem like you sing at the show kind of guy.
00:47:56I am though at the, in this moment.
00:47:58I love it.
00:48:01Like really belting it out, but it's a very loud show.
00:48:04Nobody can hear me.
00:48:05None of my family ever.
00:48:06Butterflies are free to fly.
00:48:08Fly away.
00:48:08Yeah, they are.
00:48:08Fly away.
00:48:11I can locate that very much.
00:48:14I want to almost say 75 because I feel like it's around the same time I was obsessed with listening to what the man said.
00:48:20This was a time when I was very into AM radio.
00:48:24It is 75.
00:48:26You got to listen to what the man said.
00:48:30He said.
00:48:31And then he's not afraid to put a little bit of soprano sax on there.
00:48:36Mm-hmm.
00:48:36Mm-hmm.
00:48:36Well, and he's, Elton's on tour with, like,
00:48:40three guys from his original band everybody on stage is 75 years old but they're all totally rocking out like they've you know they've it's it's a superstar fun really fun and so then but you know then so i managed the song is over and i and i collect all the pieces of myself back together and reshape them into a form that basically looks like me again
00:49:03And no one in my... Dry up all your puddles.
00:49:07Yeah, exactly.
00:49:08But pat them out with the towel.
00:49:10And no one in my group has ever looked back.
00:49:12None of them noticed at all.
00:49:14And the people all around me are all engaged in the show.
00:49:17Nobody's paying any attention to me.
00:49:19I'm just standing in a room with 30,000 of my closest friends just like losing my shit.
00:49:26And so...
00:49:28It was a kind of catharsis that I was prepared to have and was guarding against, and yet it still snuck in and got me.
00:49:38That's how they get you.
00:49:39That's how they get you.
00:49:41And then, you know, of course, I had the wonderful experience, the version that you were saying about –
00:49:47about all this information that we have about guitars and old bands that's not useful anymore really nobody cares but what i do know how to do marilyn yeah is get my family out of a venue at the end of a show
00:50:02while everyone else is crowded in a fire trap stampede situation by the three empty doors you've got some ancient wisdom that still is useful i do and all i looked at them all and they were like we have to go to the bathroom and i was like okay how many people have to go to the bathroom everybody three people have to go to the ladies bathroom four people have to go to the ladies room and then there's and then there's daddy
00:50:26And I look up and the, and those, the aisles are crammed full of people.
00:50:31Nobody's moving.
00:50:33I can see up at the top that they've literally chained the exits closed.
00:50:38Like they're, they're 75 year old ladies who are, who are making a human chain going, you can't go out this way.
00:50:46And I was like, listen, there are death traps all around us.
00:50:49You have no idea how serious this situation is.
00:50:51This seems to you to be just the end of the concert, and we're going to go to the potty.
00:50:55But that's not what this is right now.
00:50:56I'm about to turn you into a hero.
00:50:59This is where people die right now.
00:51:01Oh, absolutely.
00:51:01Absolutely.
00:51:02And so follow me.
00:51:04If you want to leave.
00:51:06If you want to live, follow me.
00:51:08And I got them completely out.
00:51:10You know, we just never stopped moving.
00:51:12It was just like snake, snake, snake down onto the thing back in through the, there are not loading dock and boom, boom, boom.
00:51:18Found a bathroom.
00:51:19There are nobody in out the door.
00:51:22And then right down the middle of the street, the cops had blocked off the street, of course.
00:51:28And there are 10,000 people trying to walk on the sidewalks.
00:51:32And I was like, and you know, my daughter doesn't like to disobey the rules.
00:51:35Oh, me neither.
00:51:36But sometimes with my kid, I'm like, look, it's so much more important.
00:51:40Yes, traffic signals matter.
00:51:42Walk and don't walk signs matter.
00:51:44That's all one-fifteenth as important as situational awareness.
00:51:49And the situational awareness of this right now is you need to get away from these fucking sheeple.
00:51:54You got a break from the pack.
00:51:55I said, hold my hand, sweetheart.
00:51:57And she was like, but, but.
00:51:58And I said, just watch.
00:51:59And we walked out to the...
00:52:00The freaking dotted yellow line down the middle of the road.
00:52:03And I was like, do you see way up there?
00:52:06Three blocks away.
00:52:07The police have blocked it off.
00:52:08Now look behind us way back there.
00:52:10Three blocks away.
00:52:11The police have blocked it off.
00:52:12There's nothing.
00:52:13This street is just, we could be having a freaking Mardi Gras out here.
00:52:17And now look at the people that are, that are elbowing each other, jostling down the sidewalk on either side.
00:52:24So let's just show them.
00:52:26Can we just show them?
00:52:27Let's just walk with our arms all the way wide.
00:52:30Let's just, oh, it's a, it's a hands across America as we walk down the,
00:52:34free and clear down the center of this, this blocked street.
00:52:38And she, I think she really got it because it was so freaking obvious.
00:52:42And then of course people are like, Hey, wait a minute.
00:52:43Why aren't we walking in?
00:52:44Well, and by you, by you, Oh, you've opened a hole.
00:52:46Now other people can, can move better.
00:52:49That's fewer people now that are in that.
00:52:51If we would all dispense in sensible ways against situational awareness, that's good for everybody.
00:52:57You're not cheating.
00:52:58You're leading.
00:52:58That's right.
00:52:59I'm not blocking you.
00:53:00I'm not, you know, this is a merge situation, a zipper merge.
00:53:03Zipper merge.
00:53:04Anyway, I got home last night, and of course I wanted to know about every Elton John record.
00:53:09I wanted to know the singles chronology.
00:53:12I wanted to know who played percussion on every song.
00:53:14And it was then that I found the absolute Merlin Mann super crush.
00:53:22There's so many things you brought me in life, John, but one of the things, there's a thing, you don't bring me as much as some of my other pals, not flowers, but it's not that often...
00:53:32going to our relationship maybe you don't bring me a zinger surprise hey were you aware that this person is that person a la your partner mother partner daughter mother person and it is not my it's my not my core competency like hey marlin here's
00:53:49Hey, yeah, you split my head in half, you piece of shit.
00:53:51What the fuck?
00:53:52Here's a pop culture thing.
00:53:54Confidential to John Tercusa.
00:53:58Keep your ears open for this one, buddy, because it's going to blow your mind.
00:54:01So one of the last singles that Elton John had in our core era, maybe the last.
00:54:10It's got to be from, what, 86?
00:54:12It feels very Billy Joel plays in Moscow era.
00:54:16Yeah, and this was when we were so fascinated by the Soviet Union, we'd been threatened with nuclear war our entire lives.
00:54:23Then we realized, well, we're not so different, you and I. Hey, yeah, that's right.
00:54:27Do the Russians love their children too?
00:54:29Do they?
00:54:30You know, spies like us, spies like us.
00:54:33Well, there was so much, there was so much, it was so ripe for, I don't know, I don't know why.
00:54:40I mean, there's not a ton in 1968.
00:54:42This is not Glassnose.
00:54:44This is two years before Glassnose.
00:54:46Two years before, right.
00:54:46But there was definitely, maybe we were starting to transition out of the pants shitting fear of nuclear war, but there was a certain, certainly like an, uh, uh,
00:54:54it was a kind of fascination with Russia or Soviet Union opening up and like, even in small ways.
00:55:01And, you know, if William Joel can go there, you know, yeah, it was, it was weird.
00:55:05It was like, they were a fetish item for us.
00:55:08Anyway, Elton John, you know, having had a few pretty good hits in the eighties, but still very much on cocaine.
00:55:17He, he comes out with a song, Nikita,
00:55:21With about his, uh, his unrequited love for a Russian border guard and the video at the time, and he did not play Nikita at the show.
00:55:33This is just part of my, like, I'm going through.
00:55:36He did not, uh, he did not play it.
00:55:37But, but when that video came out, it was a ridiculous video on the face of it.
00:55:44elton john in a bright kind it didn't kind of suffer from the like this is a this is a serious or like this is a very artistic statement well but yes it did it was like this is a serious serious music video that probably cost a million dollars to make and it's but what was what was crazy about it was by then we all knew elton john was gay and he was still like he had a
00:56:11That was the period he had a wife maybe like it was Elton John is in a red Bentley convertible wearing a, uh, a straw boater and a hat or a, and a jacket made out of feathers or whatever.
00:56:24And we are asked watching the video.
00:56:27To believe that he's developed a fast crush.
00:56:34He's infatuated with a 22-year-old Russian border guard who's like flirting with him crazy.
00:56:41Now, what I learned in my research was that Nikita...
00:56:46is a man's name in Russian.
00:56:51And when Elton was asked in an interview, well, now wait a minute.
00:56:57Oh, it's one of those names like Misha.
00:56:59Like Misha, I knew, the Mishas I've known were girls, but apparently it's Russian Michael.
00:57:04Nikita is a Russian boy's name.
00:57:09And when asked in an interview about it at the time, Elton said, yeah, I know.
00:57:15Thanks, Sherlock.
00:57:16And so he wrote the song.
00:57:18You solved my riddle.
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00:58:11he wrote the song about falling in love with a male russian bodyguard who was flirting him up at the border who was flirting him up with the border but the guy that came along and sold the video treatment to the label said we got to put a foxy girl in russell mckay he's not going to touch this and so elton was like okay you know like yeah it's pop music and i'm on cocaine so yeah let's put a girl in there that's fine and so through the whole music video you can tell he could not be less interested in this girl
00:58:40She's a very attractive woman.
00:58:42She's extremely attractive, and he is just flat affect through the entire thing.
00:58:49And that was obvious to me as a 16-year-old, but I was in love with her to my very soul.
00:58:57Your femme Nikita.
00:58:59She was my femme Nikita.
00:59:00Mm-hmm.
00:59:01and so i had to watch the video because i just remember watching it so uh avidly at the time i i was very specific about crushes i mean i was attracted to all of the the three girls in sharp dressed man but i did have a specific favorite like i was i was i was very specifically horny in the 1980s i could get extremely specific nikita from the music video looked very much like the obermeyer ski girl
00:59:31And the Obermeyer ski girl was, of course, my ultimate crush.
00:59:35Obermeyer ski girl.
00:59:36The Obermeyer ski girl was the girl that they used to advertise Obermeyer ski wear.
00:59:42In magazine ads on the back page of like ski magazine or, you know, it was a time mid eighties when skiing was really popular.
00:59:54Luxurious long haired brunette.
00:59:56She was.
00:59:57No, no, no, no.
00:59:58Have to be a blonde, right?
00:59:59Here's the thing.
01:00:00The, if you look up the Obermeyer ski girl, you're going to get a different one.
01:00:04Yeah, because there was a more famous one that came later.
01:00:08One that looks kind of like Shalom Harlow, which looks a little late for your vintage.
01:00:14The one that I'm talking about was very early 80s.
01:00:17And she looks very much like the girl in the Nikita ski.
01:00:21I'm not not ski Nikita music video.
01:00:25So, of course, I say, who was that wonderful person?
01:00:29Tell me more about her.
01:00:31That I spent a lot of time kind of gazing into her light-colored eyes and wishing that I were trying to get across the East German border in my red Bentley convertible.
01:00:43Oh, I see what you're saying.
01:00:44You're saying you'd like to march toward her Stalingrad.
01:00:48Exactly.
01:00:49And I then learned that she...
01:00:54Was the same woman as appears... Are you ready?
01:00:58This is the same actress as appeared in something else.
01:01:01Should we give people a second to sit with it?
01:01:03Yeah, let's just let everybody think about it for a second.
01:01:09The same...
01:01:12actor that appears in the 1984 Mac ad.
01:01:17The girl who throws the javelin at Big Brother.
01:01:20She throws the hammer.
01:01:21The hammer at Big Brother.
01:01:23At Big Brother.
01:01:24Her name is Anya Major.
01:01:26Anya Major.
01:01:27Anya Major Roderick.
01:01:29Anya Major Roderick would be a pretty name.
01:01:30They chose her to...
01:01:33to throw the hammer because they auditioned a lot of uh of like comely actresses and none of them could throw the hammer one of them like threw a hammer on the back of the and back of your glossy it'll have stuff like i can do american sign language and ride a horse and i can throw a fucking hammer she threw that hammer and when you look at the video now everyone go could i have the room please everyone except on you yeah go yeah on you thank you everyone everybody but on you
01:01:59Um, and she throws the shit out of that hammer in that ad.
01:02:03She was, you know, she's an athletic person.
01:02:05She's super mad about PCs.
01:02:07So they, so she's from England and they, uh, they, uh, they auditioned her.
01:02:13She threw the hammer in the ad and then somebody was like, let's cast her in this Nikita video.
01:02:19And I mean, so much cocaine for my money.
01:02:22She should have been president of the United States, but she was English.
01:02:25She couldn't do it.
01:02:25Oh, right.
01:02:27Okay, I see what you're saying.
01:02:27But she could have served in Congress.
01:02:30She could have served in Congress.
01:02:31Have you done a Where Are They Now honor?
01:02:33I think she's living happily somewhere.
01:02:37She's got a nice partner and some children's and, you know, time marches on.
01:02:44They got better health care there.
01:02:46Like you and me, right?
01:02:47Happy with some children.
01:02:48Yes, happy.
01:02:49Happy as could be expected, sure.
01:02:51Time has changed us hardly at all.
01:02:53And, you know, probably if I really looked at her Wikipedia page, she's like two years older than us or something.
01:03:02You know what I mean?
01:03:02Like she's probably not.
01:03:03She says here she's become the new model for the National Front.
01:03:11Oh, V. Gates.
01:03:13I've been watching so much Hitler.
01:03:15Oh my God, Merlin, she's your age.
01:03:17She was born in 1966.
01:03:18Well, she's practically your age.
01:03:20She was born in 1966.
01:03:21Don't piss from the high ground about numbers with me, young man.
01:03:24That's two years older than me.
01:03:26And apparently the Macintosh ad only ever screened twice on American television.
01:03:33Did you know this?
01:03:37It screened once right before the 1 a.m.
01:03:41Color bars right before the national anthem played.
01:03:45Oh, sure.
01:03:46On KMVT in Twin Falls, Idaho.
01:03:52Oldest memory.
01:03:53They rolled it out.
01:03:54They rolled it out like we got to show this in order to be eligible for a Clio.
01:04:00Oh, they did a Netflix before Netflix.
01:04:03Oh, shit, dog.
01:04:04It was some random December night.
01:04:07They played it once in Twin Falls.
01:04:09Well, what they did was they slipped it in.
01:04:10I mean, not the black flag style, but they got it in under the radar.
01:04:15Who's going to be watching?
01:04:16You should see the flags and the missiles and whatnot.
01:04:18Maybe that's North Korea.
01:04:19But in any case, right before the anthem plays, huh, 1984 is not going to be like 1984.
01:04:261984 is not going to be like 1984.
01:04:30They had better technology in 1984.
01:04:34There's telescreens, huh?
01:04:36It was still possible we were going to live on space stations in 1984.
01:04:41I know.
01:04:41It doesn't seem possible.
01:04:42We'll go back to the work of Elton John.
01:04:44That's where we were.
01:04:45There's no reason to think not to.
01:04:46Maybe we're having a little anoregonum from sending peoples to the moon.
01:04:50But certainly we'll be doing this again.
01:04:52Look at this.
01:04:52Look at this.
01:04:52They just launched a goddamn space plane off the back of a Boeing.
01:04:57Remember that when you first saw the space shuttle on the back of the piggybacking on the plane?
01:05:01I was in my grandparents' house when that first happened.
01:05:04I was like, this is truly the future.
01:05:05This is it.
01:05:06It's going to happen.
01:05:07It's happening.
01:05:07It's happening all around us.
01:05:09Did you ever think that short of a nuclear war that there would not be a Soviet Union?
01:05:15No, absolutely not.
01:05:17I mean, yeah.
01:05:18I mean, talk about the big bads.
01:05:21It was so handy to have a big bad.
01:05:22They were instrumental to our education, as I've told you before.
01:05:26When I first went into high school in 1982, you would hear about Mr. Sherwood.
01:05:35who was a retired army colonel.
01:05:39And according to my friend DJ's grandfather, a double dipper, because he was working as a teacher as well as getting his colonel money.
01:05:47But he was famous for the class he would take in senior year, which was American history.
01:05:52And people would say, call it a VC.
01:05:55And not ABC, AVC.
01:05:57And I said, what's AVC?
01:05:58And they say Americanism versus communism.
01:06:00I said, oh, so it's like pretty, you know, politically.
01:06:02No, the class is called American History, colon, Americanism versus communism.
01:06:09Americanism.
01:06:10Versus Americanism, which is not a thing.
01:06:13It's not a thing.
01:06:14Americanism.
01:06:15He served.
01:06:16Yeah, sure.
01:06:17Now he's double dipping.
01:06:18There are members of Congress right now.
01:06:19He used to wear those cool Cuban shirts like Senior Chang.
01:06:22He'd wear those cool like Capybara shirts, whatever they're called.
01:06:26And yeah, and he would say first day, he said, listen, one thing you got to know about this class, it's my way or the highway.
01:06:31And I wrote that on the front of my red folder.
01:06:33One of many quotes from Robert Sherwood, who wrote my recommendation for New College.
01:06:36Good man.
01:06:37My way or the highway.
01:06:39It's my way or the highway.
01:06:40He said, mines are like parachutes.
01:06:42They function best when open.
01:06:44I wrote that down on my red folder, too.
01:06:45He wrote me a really nice recommendation.
01:06:47I really, you know, these days.
01:06:49AVC, John.
01:06:50You could not go into a class as a teacher on the first day and say, it's my way or the highway.
01:06:55I don't think a public school is going to welcome that.
01:06:58No, I really wish you could, though, because it's the one thing that keeps me from being a teacher.
01:07:02If you could say that on the first day, I'd go be a teacher right now.
01:07:05You should be able to lay down a truthful law.
01:07:08When I say lay down the law, I don't mean just be imperious.
01:07:11But I think you should be able to say, hey, look.
01:07:15So, like, I'm telling you.
01:07:17Whatever bullshit you're getting on the other two floors of Gulf Comprehensive High School in the year 1984, I just need to be real square with you right up front.
01:07:26I am a retired colonel.
01:07:28I do double dip.
01:07:29I made up the word Americanism, and it's super clear.
01:07:33It's very important that all of you know that it is my way or the highway.
01:07:36Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:37This is how it's going to go.
01:07:38Hint, you don't want the highway.
01:07:40It's 2023.
01:07:42I am your teacher, Mr. Roderick.
01:07:44Meet me.
01:07:45Call me Mr. Roderick.
01:07:47You're never even going to know my first name.
01:07:50They call me Mr. Roderick.
01:07:51You're never going to know my first name.
01:07:53For all you know, it's Klee Klorp.
01:07:59I have a need to know first name.
01:08:01Here's all you need to know.
01:08:02Here's the syllabus.
01:08:03My way or the highway.
01:08:04Oh, yeah.
01:08:04All right.
01:08:05Open your books to page one.
01:08:06Half of you just failed.
01:08:07Look to your left and look to your right.
01:08:10None of you will graduate.
01:08:14I got chunks of guys like you in my stool.

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